Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah
Today we have more than a million people (and counting) wanting Sri Lanka to be referred to the International Criminal Court (ICC). That means a million people have now spoken with one voice – a fact that should undoubtedly persuade the UN and members of the Security Council to act decisively – both of whom, according the UN Internal Review Panel’s findings during the final months of the war in Sri Lanka, “failed” Tamil Civilians.[1]
In a major blow to Sri Lanka – both to the current Sirisena and previous Rajapaksa regimes who continue to evade accountability and independent scrutiny at all costs, having been steeped in a culture of impunity and what observers hail to be clearly and unequivocally a strong message – a clarion call for action, addressed to the conscience of the United Nations, and through the auspices of, in particular, to the Security Council, the High Commissioner for Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, it’s now been established that more than a million people (and counting) have added their names to TGTE‘s (Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam) campaign: “urging the United Nation to refer Sri Lanka to the International Criminal Court (or establish a similar credible International Judicial Mechanism) for the investigation and prosecution of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed against the Tamil people – by the Sri Lankan State.”
In so doing, more than a million people, in a short space of four months, have, identifying with Eelam Tamils and without reservation delivered an appeal, a plea, a demand, a salvo, a challenge, whichever way you see it, to the UN, one which must be heard, heeded and acted upon. These million people have in other words rejected as unsatisfactory, “any call by the Sri Lankan government for a domestic mechanism or a so called hybrid mechanism to replace any international judicial process,” as the petition states:
“Any call by the Sri Lankan government for a domestic mechanism or a so called hybrid mechanism to replace any international judicial process is an attempt to deflect the call for referral to the ICC and to delay other meaningful actions on accountability. And efforts to establish a domestic Truth and Reconciliation Commission is another diversionary tactic to protect those who committed serious crimes against Tamils.”
The petition invokes Chapter 7 Article 39 of the UN Charter and argues that, “the current situation in Sri Lanka constitutes an ongoing ‘threat to peace’ under the said provision because there has been absolutely no accountability for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.”
The petition points to the UN Internal Review Report which found “credible estimates” of civilian casualties of 70,000 Tamils during the first six months in 2009 and that, “as the former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stated , Sri Lanka is one of the notable countries, along with Bosnia, Burma, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Sudan and elsewhere, where rape was used as a tactic of war.”
Further the petition provides facts and reasons in support of its call under the following headings:
- The Sri Lankan State is not ethnically neutral
- The Sri Lankan judiciary is not ethnically neutral
- There is no political will in Sri Lanka to provide Justice for Tamils
- The domestic 2010 Lessons Learned and Reconciliation Commission (LLRC) has not delivered Justice to Tamils)
- The Change of Guard in Sri Lanka will not result in a Change of the Institutionalized Impunity
- The Potential Culpability of the New President Sirisena will not be Conducive for a Domestic or Hybrid Mechanism
- Sri Lanka does not have Criminal Provisions for War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity, and Genocide
- The pursuit of Justice Versus the Pursuit of Peace is a False Choice.
The campaign officially launched by the TGTE, outside the UN headquarters in New York on March 15, 2015 with the former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark, Senator of the Transnational Government of Tamil as the first signatory to the petition calling for an ICC referral, has today elicited signatures far in excess of the million signatures initially requested, and well ahead of the September release of the report commissioned by the Office of the of High Commissioner for Human Rights on Sri Lanka (OISL). The campaign formally got underway simultaneously outside the Human Rights Council headquarters in Geneva, as well as in various other cities of the world including a massive online campaign – www.tgte-icc.og – conducted in 15 languages comprising Tamil, Sinhala, English, Russian, Chinese, Malay, Bangla, Urdu, Hindi, French, German, Arabic, Swahili, Turkic and Spanish – that received a huge response, in addition to the collection of signatures on paper!
This campaign has definitely drawn worldwide attention: Without a doubt the many side events featuring leading legal luminaries and academics designed to educate the people on the need for an ICC referral which was thought to be tough to obtain but possible to achieve if enough pressure is put to bear on all concerned – and the ‘Million Signature’ campaign it was felt would provide the impetus.
A side event “Impending High Commissioner’s Report on Sri Lanka: Comparing North Korea & Sudan recommendations for mass atrocities”, was organized by Ibn Sina, with the partnership of Collectif la Paix au Sri Lanka, International Crime Prevention and Protection against Genocide (ICPPG) and the TGTE, at the UN Human Rights Council, Geneva. The key speakers included Geoffrey Robertson QC an International Human Rights Barrister, Professor Ramu Manivannan from the University of Madras, with the session being moderated by Manicka Vasagar Minister of International Affairs TGTE. The Colombo Telegraph carried some key points made by the speakers which are provided here [2]:
“The speakers raised some critical concerns about the Impending High Commissioner’s Report on Sri Lanka. The Panellists were unanimous in raising questions about how the Sri Lankan state can deliver justice, when the government and its leadership itself has been accused of committing war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide against the Tamils…They also agreed that there is no fundamental change in the political and legal environment in Sri Lanka vis-a-vis the Tamils…Geoffrey Robertson provided searching options of trial against Sri Lanka, such as referral to the ICC, Security Council based initiatives, a hybrid mechanism and even sought an active role of the Secretary General.”
Another Panel about “whether Hybrid Mechanism will work” was also held in Geneva. This experts panel was moderated by Professor Narsinghen Hambyrajen, Former Minister Counsellor of the Trade Division of the Permanent Mission of Mauritius in Geneva and Professor of Law at the University of Mauritius. Panellists included: Richard Rogers, former Head of the Defence Support Team at the Cambodia Khmer Rouge Tribunal and Attorney for Global Diligence and Professor Sornarajah, Visiting Professor at the Centre for Human Rights, London School of Economics.
Some of the highlights from the points made by Mr. Richard Rogers and Prof. Sornarajah can be found here as per the link and produced verbatim for the strong arguments it provides against a domestic or hybrid mechanism [3]:
Richard Rogers:
1) Mr. Rogers dismissed the prospect of a domestic trial, saying that it would likely be the victor’s justice rather than a real accountability process. He further pointed out that the Sri Lankan Government and the Army are too powerful and too closely implicated in the crimes for this to work.
2) He posed the following question: If the High Commissioner recommends the hybrid option to Sri Lankan Government can the UN insist upon procedural guarantees that are sufficient to protect the court from political interference and personal bias? He said the short answer in his view “most probably not.”
3) He spoke of his experience with the hybrid tribunal in Cambodia, the frustrations caused by constant political interference with the process. He believes that there would be similar interference if a hybrid tribunal was to be established in Sri Lanka given the links that potential defendants are likely to have within the political system and within the armed forces.
4) Mr. Rogers also warned of the risk that the hybrid court would get bogged down in years of tedious negotiations between the Government of Sri Lanka and the UN and the UN might eventually give in to the demands of the Sri Lankan Government.
5) He concluded by saying a hybrid court may serve the Sri Lankan Government and even the UN who may then claim that justice has been rendered, but it would remove any meaningful change of real justice being done.
Prof. Sornarajah:
Professor Sornarajah stated that such a hybrid tribunal is unsuitable for Sri Lanka. Besides the fact that international crimes must be tried by international tribunals, the present situation in Sri Lanka is not conducive to the functioning of such a tribunal. He identified the following circumstances:
1) The local judiciary is heavily tainted and is not independent. The Government has removed successive Chief Justices, provoking the International Bar Council to denounce the lack of an independent judiciary in Sri Lanka.
2) The members of the present administration, including the President who was Minister of Defence during the civil war, held office in the administration of former President Rajapaksa. Being complicit, even if not indicted, they are likely to be biased. They would be judges in the cases against them or their associates: Nemoiudex in suacausa.
3) Former President Rajapaksa is bound to be named as defendant for reasons of command responsibility. His two brothers are also likely to be defendants. Rajapakse is able to demonstrate the support he has among Sinhalese chauvinistic groups by holding massive meetings.
4) In that context, the present regime lacks stability to hold a prolonged trial of war criminals. A return to the anti-Tamil climate of the past is likely.
5) In the context of the heavy militarization that has taken place in Sri Lanka, it is unlikely that the armed forces will permit their leaders or personnel being tried by a hybrid tribunal in Sri Lanka. The spurt of militarization took place under Rajapakse. His loyalists still hold office in the forces.
6) The trials, if held in Sri Lanka, will provoke a Sinhalese nationalist backlash making reconciliation impossible. They may result in further violence against Tamils. Reconciliation, which is the aim of such trials, will not eventuate.
A statement by Prime Minister Rudrakumaran entitled “No Will and No Neutrality: Sri Lanka” was distributed to the attendees. The statement had the following key points:
1) An important element in justice is neutrality. When a State itself stands accused as the perpetrator of the international crimes, any involvement of that State in transitional justice vitiates the neutrality. An accused cannot be the sole judge or a co-judge in the legal proceedings against him / her.
2) Last March – 5 years after the first mass atrocity of the 21st century – the UNHRC finally authorized an investigation by the office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OISL). We have been assured that the report itself will be “strong” and that it undoubtedly will lay out the facts of what took place in significantly greater detail than has been done before. Names of perpetrators may even be released. We believe the report would serve as the basis for fuller investigation and prosecution. What the High Commissioner’s recommendations will include is not yet known, but in the case of North Korea it was recommended last year that the Security Council refer North Korea to the International Criminal Court, even though North Korea is not a signatory to the Rome Statue.
3) Hybrid tribunals can be useful, where a state has a will, but lacks capacity to deliver justice. But that is not case with respect to Sri Lanka.
4) The recent promotion of Army Commander Sarath Fonseka as Field Marshal and the appointment of former Military Commander Mr. Jagath Dias as Ambassador which was heavily criticized by the Human Rights Watch, by the “new” regime in Sri Lanka, and their continued refusal to give access to the OISL to Sri Lanka to meet with the victims of war are just a few examples of a clearly lack of will on the part of Sri Lankan state under the “new” regime to deliver any justice for Tamils.
5) It is true that a hybrid tribunal functioning in an ethnically neutral environment would allow the victims to witness justice in the making. However, in the present case, as implicitly acknowledged by the UNSG’s Panel of Experts, there is no environment in the island of Sri Lanka for Tamils to get justice.
In addition to lawyers, Academics and intellectuals, there were politicians from France and one from Canada, the Ontario Provincial PC Party leader, Patrick Brown and a few well known South Indian Tamil film stars and film directors, producers and Tamil organisations who also gave their support publically. India led the signature count by a wide margin, with Sri Lanka, UK, Malaysia France, Australia, Canada, S’pore, Germany, USA and UAE contributing in that order. The million mark was reached just after at 11.50 am or so Canadian Easter Standard Time on July 13, 2015. The number I am pleased to report is continuing to climb. [4]
The TGTE Minister for Media and Public Affairs, Suthan Raj, who was primarily responsible for the campaign, pleased with the success attained, has today announced that the first lot of signatures amounting to a million will be formally delivered to the UN and Prime Minister Rudrakumaran will on July 15 be addressing the Tamil people about the continuing campaign.
In an article written by Dr Sarvendra, the author cites four reasons why the campaign has drawn such attention:
1) The timing of the campaign and the nature and text of the appeal itself. The campaign is being conducted at a time when the OISL report together with the modalities for a domestic mechanism is being anticipated and expected to be released in September. In addition the petition clearly attaches the reasons why a domestic mechanism or for that matter a hybrid mechanism won’t help in securing justice.
2) The sheer enormity of the campaign. In comparing this campaign to various campaigns conducted thus far in the Tamil Diaspora, this is the first time to his knowledge a campaign with a goal to secure a million signatures has been initiated. Although there were some doubts at the beginning about the probability of achieving the goal, the campaign has started to gain momentum and at the time of writing has reached the five lack mark.
3) The political movement that has emerged as a result of the emotional attachment that Tamils world over feel towards the struggle for justice of the Eelam Tamil people, brought on by the campaign.
4) The campaign rooted in moral underpinnings serves as an effective instrument in appealing to the international community for justice.
Dr Sarvendra in exploring the gains to be had by the campaign, discusses some of the reservations people have, considering the fact that governments usually look to their self interests and that obtaining justice for Tamils may not be conducive to their interests. Furthermore there are those who feel those countries who are deemed friendly towards Sri Lanka would want to prevent an inquiry by the International Criminal Court.
Dr Sarvendra further enumerates the counter arguments to these reservations that he was able deduce from his conversation with TGTE’s Prime Minister Rudrakumaran who was aware of such self interests but looked at from the humanitarian and moral stand point, felt the appeal, is one that can’t be denied; the fact that it has the strong backing of the people, serves only to strengthen the case for justice. Also according to Rudrakumaran, in the present world order, international civil societies, accepted by people as safeguarding the moral fibre of the world, is increasingly found to have the propensity, in terms of foreign relations, to positively influence governments. In that regard, and in the event a domestic or a hybrid mechanism is established, the TGTE with the strength of the moral and political support generated by this campaign and by enlisting the support of civil societies would continue the fight for justice; adding that the campaign has helped to internationalise the problem more than ever, emotionally uniting the Tamil people throughout the world; that which is vital for its success.
Rudrakumaran’s views on the campaign, Dr Sarvendra felt resonated with the point he had raised in a previous article that the Tamil Diaspora had the wherewithal to prevent their governments from acting against certain moral values – that they wouldn’t allow them to be used for their government’s self interest. This Dr Sarvendra points out illustrates that the TGTE is thinking of how it can positively influence governments.
Finding TGTE’s approach very different from that of the GTF (Global Tamil Forum), Dr Sarvendra points out that the difference can be seen in the manner in which the Tamil Diaspora is now being referred to as the Sri Lankan Diaspora in accordance with GTF’s approach; he also points out that GTF’s approach has generated some opposition and protest from the Tamil Diaspora and that any outcomes from this in political terms, including political fallouts from this will be seen in the months ahead.
Dr Sarvendra concludes that looking at in its entirety, he is convinced, TGTE’s million signature campaign would actually further strengthen the need for an international inquiry against Sri Lanka, considering that as per the belief of some political activists, the pre-mediated and targeted genocidal war conducted by Sri Lanka against the Tamil people must not serve to encourage other oppressive regimes to do the same and that the perpetrators responsible for the genocide committed against the Tamil people during the Rajapaksa regime must be prosecuted and punished accordingly.
A million people and counting want and have validated a call for Sri Lanka to be referred to the ICC and it’s hoped their voices will be heard by the UN…
[1] ttp://www.tamilcanadian.com/article/6279
[2] https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/un-side-event-seeks-referral-of-sri-lanka-to-the-icc-international-prosecution/
[3] http://world.einnews.com/pr_news/274405567/campaign-to-refer-sri-lanka-to-international-criminal-court-reached-over-half-a-millon-signatures-tgte
[4] http://tgte-icc.org/Sign/Country_List.asp
AVB / July 15, 2015
Usha,
Where is the link to this petition?
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Amarasiri / July 15, 2015
Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah, LTTE Agent and Shill, Following Double Standards
So, there are 1,000,000 signatures. Good if they are real and what the petition is all about. For 80 Million Tamils, less than 2% signed? 98% did not sign?
Is that petition about how to get the 100,000 Tamil speaking Northern Muslims who were Ethnically cleansed by the Racist LTTE war Criminals, in addition to the war crimes committed by the State Lanka state?
Just Curious. This is just another Double Standard action by the LTTE remnants?
Forgotten People – The Evicted and Displaced North Muslims of Sri Lanka (English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JV60McNQ9o
Published on Jun 1, 2013
The Evicted and Displaced North Muslims of Sri Lanka. The expulsion of the Muslims and other nations from the Northern province was an act of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Tamil militant Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) organization in October 1990. In order to achieve their goal of creating a mono ethnic Tamil state in the North Sri Lanka, the LTTE forcibly expelled the 72,000 strong Muslim population from the Northern Province.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Dear Ms. Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah
Why is there so little support for the TGTE from Lanka, where the alleged crimes are committed?
Out of the 3,108,770 Tamil people of Lanka ONLY 2.9% have signed the TGTE petition. This goes down to 1.8% If Muslims are included.
How many UK Tamils have NOT signed?
How many Canadian Tamils have NOT signed?
How many French Tamils have NOT signed?
How many Australian Tamils have NOT signed?
How many Tamils of Lankan Origin living overseas has NOT signed?
They Know that the TGTE is the New Face of LTTE International. Mr. V. Rudrakumaran is from the LTTE inner circle. Here is the proof http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iXyM_TBlhpA/U0A1E7dAhCI/AAAAAAAAYm4/Vp4m6nKy8xA/s1600/pirapaharan_delegation.jpg
And you are bragging about the million and counting!!!
BTW Did the TGTE BRIBE Ms Yasmin Sooka, Mr. Marzuki Darusman and Mr. Steven Ratner to pervert Justice and exonerate the LTTE of employing Human Shields? Your BOSS the TGTE’s Rudrakumaran, is a known white collar Financial Thief who lost the license to practice as a lawyer in the US due to it.
Detailed argument is here.
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https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/tgte-welcomes-fonsekas-willingness-to-face-war-crime-trials-urges-him-to-avail-to-uns-oisl/comment-page-1/#comment-1840247
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Kind Regards,
OTC
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / July 16, 2015
Dear OTC,
I am a Tamil resident in the UK. I have not signed this petition. However, I fully support an international investigation into the war crimes committed by the Srilankan Security forces against the non combatant Tamil population. I have worked as a medico-legal officer in the war zone and therefore I am a medical witness to the atrocities commited by the Srilankan security forces on non combatant Tamil population. In none of the above instances the perpetrators were brought to justice nor the victims compensated. Sham Trials were held in Colombo under Sinhala judges, where Tamil witnesses could not attend partly due to threats and partly due to travelling difficulties and false evidence was led by the police who were working in conjumction with the perpetrators. Due to this experience of partiality of the Srilankan judicial system that I do not have any confidence on any internal mechanism to inquire into the war crimes, where some scape goats may be found while the real culprits will be allowed to go free.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Dear Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam,
Any Judicial system requires the following prerequisites.
1. A common Law that does not exempt Anyone/Country
2. Judges who are Scrupulously Impartial
3. An investigative body that has the power to investigate sans any type of pressure and is also Scrupulously Impartial.
If that can be ensured I have no problem with an International Inquiry.
However facts are otherwise and even the UNSG’s Panel of Inquiry has succumbed to Bribery and have SUBVERTED International Law with IMPUNITY.
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Rome Statute of the ICC
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Article 8, War crimes,
2(b)(xxiii) Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations; (page 7)
This is what is known as a Human Shield.
According to the above, IF the PRESENCE of a civilian (Tamil civilians) is used to protect military forces (LTTE Cadres) then the LTTE commits the war crime of using Human Shields.
The POE confirms this “Presence” in their report (item 237)
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“…… they forced thousands of civilians, often under threat of death, to remain in areas under their control during the last stages of the war and enforced this control by killing persons who attempted to leave that area”
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Thus according to the Rome Statute, Article 8, 2(b)(xxiii) The LTTE is GUILTY of the war crime of utilizing a Human Shield.
More evidence is available in the public domain.
That the LTTE located Heavy Guns, Mortar pits, Ammunition dumps, Command centers amongst the civilians is also confirmed by evidence in the public domain (please see aerial photographs taken by Times of London photographers who overflew the No Fire Zones with the UNSG Ban Ki Moon).
Thus EVERY CONDITION required to be satisfied by the Human Shield Law, of the Rome Statute, in order to find the LTTE guilty, has been satisfied and the LTTE should be found Guilty.
Let’s see what the POE say (item 237)
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“(With respect to the credible allegations of the LTTE’s refusal to allow civilians to leave the combat zone, the Panel believes that these actions did not, in law, amount to the use of human shields…”
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The experts are EXONERATING the LTTE!!!! WHY?
As far as the UNSG’s POE is concerned the ICC statute does not exist (they quote the Red Cross IGNORING the ICC).
The UNSG’s POE has deliberately subverted International Law and exonerated the Guilty! Why did they do it?
Let’s look at the repercussions of such a decision.
If the LTTE was found guilty then those who financed them and procured armaments will automatically be guilty of the same crime and will get prosecuted.
This means the Separatist big wigs of the BTF, GTF, TGTE etc, will be in the hot seat. Thus it is to their advantage to have this matter swept under the carpet.
LTTE financiers were caught trying to bribe US officials. TGTE’s Rudrakumaran is a LTTE leader close to Prabahkaran (the link above shows Prabahkaran, Tamil Chelvam, Balasingham and his wife Adele, Karuna and Dr. Jay Maheswaran with Rudra). He is a known white collar Financial Thief who lost the license to practice as a lawyer in the US.
Was the UNSG’s POE similarly bribed by the TGTE or BTF or GTF or an organisation/person with lots of wealth?
The conclusions made by the Panel of Experts, Mr. Darusman, Ms. Yasmin Sooka and Mr. Steven Ratner is contrary to International Law.
Were they bought over?
Have TGTE tentacles reached the UN’s Office of Investigation of Sri Lanka too?
The war Sri Lanka waged was a War against Terrorists not a game of cards.
There are at least two parties involved in a war. You cannot investigate one and ignore the other.
That investigation should therefore INCLUDE those who funded a Terrorist War through Extortion, Thuggery, Credit Card Scams, Telephone Scams, Temple Scams, Human Trafficking, Drug Trafficking etc. I have Tamil friends who were subject to extortion in UK and Canada. The parent of a longtime UK resident who visited the North to see their property, found it misappropriated by the LTTE. The parent was abducted and held until extortion money was paid calculated on the number of years my friend lived in the UK.
You claim “I have worked as a medico-legal officer in the war zone and therefore I am a medical witness to the atrocities commited by the Srilankan security forces on non combatant Tamil population”
Considering what I have written above How on earth did you MEDICALLY differentiate a Combatant in Civies and a genuine Civilian in Civies?
You could not have done it by age as LTTE deployed Child Soldiers.
You could not have done it by sex as the LTTE had female combatants.
Please pray enlighten the WORLD of this UNIQUE Medico Legal expertise of yours that allowed you to do the impossible
I do hope you will be able to give an explanation befitting your education.
You are also contradicted by Factual Evidence.
About 300,000 Tamil civilians emerged from the NFZ unharmed.
The LTTE fought in Civilian Clothing.
You are making a BLANKET statement about Non Combatants without distinguishing combatants in civilian clothes from the REAL non combatants. There is video evidence of LTTE combatants in Civies. Even the PTK Hospital shown to the world by CH4 is DEVOID of a SINGLE LTTE war casualty. I hope your Medico Legal expertise can explain how the ONLY hospital under LTTE control in a war zone had ONLY CIVILIANS within.
What happened to the injured Combatants?
Left to die in Trenches?
Where was the LTTE dead?
Re “Sham Trials were held in Colombo under Sinhala judges”
Is that Fact or Rhetorical Propaganda?
Was SCJ Wigneswaran the present NP Chief Minister a Sinhalese?
Was SCJ Kanakasabapathi Sripavan a Sinhalese?
Was the Atorney General Siva Pasupathi a Sinhalese?
Was Suppiah Sharvananda, CJ 1984/88 a Sinhalese?
Is the present Chief Justice Kanakasabapathi Sripavan a Sinhalese?
These are just a few that comes to mind out of the MULTITUDE of Tamils and NON Sinhalese who were at the highest echelons of the Justice System in Lanka. I have not even included the Non Sinhala Minister’s of Justice.
You are practicing a well known deceptive tactic of Tamils. The practice of blaming the Sinhalese to cover your own Nudity. Please read Bryan Pfaffenberger, Assistant Professor of Humanities, School of Engineering and Applied Science, and Associate Director, Center for South Asian Studies, of the University of Virginia for more information
When you make this type of accusation please make sure that it is supported by factual examples as I have done in the case of the UNSG’s POE.
Re “I do not have any confidence on any internal mechanism to inquire into the war crimes, where some scape goats may be found while the real culprits will be allowed to go free”
You are looking up and spitting.
The SL Judiciary is today headed by a Sri Lankan Tamil.
You should acquaint your self with the Domestic Inquiries carried out by the USA on their own war crimes and how even the Temporary Scape Goats went Scott Free.
Since you are in the UK read up on the Bloody Sunday Massacre and let us know how many British Soldiers were held accountable.
In Sri Lanka read up on the Uve Wellassa uprising and let us know how many Brits were held accountable for atrocious murders of that were committed.
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“The situation prevailing in Uva and Wellassa was so precarious that the English set fire to villages, houses, livestock, and whatever they could burn.
The British confiscated the properties of the people involved in the uprising, they killed all cattle and other animals, burnt homes, property and even the salt in their possession during the repression. Paddy fields in the area of Wellassa were all destroyed. The irrigation systems of the duchies of Uva and Wellassa, hitherto the rice-bowl of Sri Lanka were systematically destroyed.
The British also massacred the male population of Uva above the age of 18 years.
In the ‘Journal of Uva,’ Herbert White, a British Government Agent in Badulla after the rebellion minuted:
It is a pity that there is no evidence left behind to show the exact situation in Uva in terms of population or agriculture development after the rebellion. The new rulers are unable to come up to any conclusion on the exact situation of Uva before the rebellion as there is no trace of evidence left behind to come to such conclusions. If thousands died in the battle they were all fearless and clever fighters. If one considers the remaining population of 4/5 after the battle to be children, women and the aged, the havoc caused is unlimited. In short the people have lost their lives and all other valuable belongings. It is doubtful whether Uva has at least now recovered from the catastrophe.” (source wiki)
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Kind Regards,
OTC
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / July 17, 2015
Dear OTC AKA MNIN Perera
Sadly the judicial system in Srilanka is institutionally racist, the Police, the Bar and the Bench all included. In Mailantenna murder trial the Sinhala Speaking jury also behaved in a racist manner, by discharging the Sinhala soldiers who murdered Tamils despite incriminating evidence of crime. You could ask Tamils whether they expect justice in the courts in Srilanka if the come into conflict with Sinhalese. I have attended some of the murder trials committed by security forces on Tamils held in Colombo, where witnesses hardly appear due to threats and transport problems, where Police present a wrong picture of the event to cover up, and the Judge says, I cannot go to the place to verify it and therefore I am aquiting the defendents. Is this Justice.
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Off the Cuff / July 17, 2015
Dear Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam,
Why are you avoiding issues raised?
Surely you have the education to discuss them.
1. Prerequisites for an International Inquiry
You have avoided
2. Rome Statute, the ICC and the UNSG’s Panel of Experts (POE)
You have avoided.
3. Perversion of the Rome statute by the UNSG’s POE
You have avoided
4. Bribing the UNSG’s POE
You have avoided
5. Rudrakumaran’s LTTE Leadership position
You have avoided.
6. Investigating War financiers
You have avoided.
7. LTTE combatants in Civilian clothes
You have avoided
8. Absence of LTTE casualties in the PTK Hospital, the ONLY hospital available to the LTTE in the War zone.
You have avoided
9. You have failed to state how your Medico Legal expertise enabled you to differentiate genuine civilians from combatants dressed in civilian clothing.
10. You failed to explain how Sham Trials can be held when a MULTITUDE of Tamils and NON Sinhalese occupy the highest echelons of the Justice System in Lanka (including Cabinet Ministers of Justice).
You now say “where Police present a wrong picture of the event to cover up, and the Judge says, I cannot go to the place to verify it and therefore I am aquiting the defendents. Is this Justice”
Don’t be silly.
All trials finally end up in the Supreme Court where there are Non Sinhala SC Judges who also sit in judgement. Current Chief Minister of the NP former SCJ Wigneswaran sat on the SC Bench and heard cases under the Prevention of Terrorism Act (PTA). Even in the SC, in the event of injustice, a fuller bench can be requested that will ensure the presence of Tamil Judges.
Without making insinuations you should provide verifiable evidence. That is what is expected of an EDUCATED person not wild unverifiable insinuations which unfortunately is what you are doing.
Kindly take some time and address all the issues raised with a factual argument instead of avoiding them.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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kali / July 17, 2015
Off the CLIFF:
They are not issues. You are throwing tissues from the CLIFF. There is a high wind.
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Off the Cuff / July 17, 2015
Dear Kali,
That may be why you have been reduced to an incoherently mumbling IDIOT.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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kali / July 17, 2015
Off the CLIFF
Issues are to discuss. Tissue is to blow the Nose. I know you have no issues to discuss and that is because you have no BRAINS.
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Off the Cuff / July 17, 2015
Dear Kali,
You are still in the Cesspit wallowing in Night Soil and tissues won’t help.
Explain why 98.2% of the Tamil Speakers of Lanka have rejected the TGTE petition.
An IGNOMINY that cannot be erased even if the whole of Tamil Nadu signs it.
Sad situation for the Manic Separatists!
Kind Regards,
OTC
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kali / July 18, 2015
Off The CLIFF:
An IGNOMINY that cannot be erased even if the whole of Sri Lanka ( 22 Million) signs it.
*** You are rightman. Loosing your Sovereignty, Colombo Port City, Chinese Submarines and above all your Dignity. Nothing can compensate you for these losses and you are right with your Choice of Words. IGNOMINY. Gone forever. Sorry man and it looks loke you got some help in choosing the right Word to describe your losses.
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Off the Cuff / July 18, 2015
you are still struggling Kali
Explain why 98.2% of the Tamil Speakers of Lanka have rejected the TGTE petition.
BTW you have made a fool of yourself by changing the words “Tamil Nadu” to Sri Lanka.
An Idiot cannot understand context.
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kali / July 19, 2015
Off the CLIFFE you will never be baack On the CLIFFE.
Any Judicial system requires the following prerequisites.
1. A common Law that does not exempt Anyone/Country:
So you fool where does this Common Law Originate
2. Judges who are Scrupulously Impartial:
*** Sinhala Lanka has the Crooks who are Partial. MR enjoyed their services.
3. An investigative body that has the power to investigate sans any type of pressure and is also Scrupulously Impartial.
If that can be ensured I have no problem with an International
Inquiry.
*** Have you not heard the News. GOSL refused to coperate because in MRs view Sinhala Lanka has the BEST System in the world so what is the Problem.
MR says that there is nothing to inquire as the killing was all a lie.
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / July 19, 2015
Poor Gali, ducking and diving like his brave sole representatives during an MBRL barrage :D Next he’ll try hiding under some women’s skirts as well – his LTTE heroes didn’t have much luck with that tactic, but maybe he’ll do better :D
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kali / July 19, 2015
Sinkala Sankaran Sarrmaa.
From your writing it is obvious you think it is a Boxing. No you fool it is an intellectual agrument devoid of Intellects. It is a one sided Bout. Me vs the Rest of You 5.8 Million.
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Off the Cuff / July 19, 2015
Dear Kali,
Sri Lanka’s Judiciary is Headed by an Ethnic Lanka Tamil, Chief Justice Kanakasabapathi Sripavan!!!
You have been confirming your STUPIDITY over and over again on CT.
You are still struggling to explain why 98.2% of the Tamil Speakers of Lanka have rejected the TGTE petition.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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kali / July 19, 2015
Off the CLIFF<
Sinhala Lankas Judiciary was once headed by Shirani. Have you heard what happened to her when she opposed the THUG. She was unceremoniously booted out. Unique to Lanka.
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Off the Cuff / July 20, 2015
Dear Kali,
Irrelevant and Idiotic
You are still struggling to explain why 98.2% of the Tamil Speakers of Lanka have rejected the TGTE petition.
Kind Regards
OTC
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Amarasiri / July 16, 2015
Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam,
Yes. You are describing Double Standards and Racism.,and of course War Crimes against its own citizens by the State.
Thre were also Double standards by the LTTE Tamils, Racism and War Crimes Committed against the Tamil Speaking Muslims.
They All Fall under the categories of
Double Standards
Racism, and
War Crimes
Forgotten People – The Evicted and Displaced North Muslims of Sri Lanka (English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JV60McNQ9o
Published on Jun 1, 2013
The Evicted and Displaced North Muslims of Sri Lanka. The expulsion of the Muslims and other nations from the Northern province was an act of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Tamil militant Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) organization in October 1990. In order to achieve their goal of creating a mono ethnic Tamil state in the North Sri Lanka, the LTTE forcibly expelled the 72,000 strong Muslim population from the Northern Province.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / July 17, 2015
Dear Amarasiri,
You are not talking sense. Truth seems to be unpalattable to you and those of your ilks. What double standards or racism that I am describing. The issue here is war crimes committed by the security forces against non combatant Tamils. No fair minded Tamil has denied that LTTE committed atrocities. Most of the LTTE members who committed atrocities have either been killed in war or have been summarily executed after surrendering. Those who committed mild offences such as putting up posters for LTTE or giving food to LTTE fighters are still being held in prison without any signs of a fair trial. This is what the Tamils are saying, “If any Tamil has committed atrocity go ahead and punish them according to the laws, but do not try to cover up atrocities committed by Sinhalese or Muslims on Tamils”. This is double standard that you are advocating when Tamil offenders are either been killed or in Prinson, Sinhala and muslim offenders are roaming the country freely. You are only concerned about the evicted Muslims, but not uttering a word about evicted Tamils, both in the hands of Sinhalese and Tamils. You will see in another site a detailed description of the forced eviction of Tamils by the Muslims in Eastern Province. What about the Tamils evicted by Sinhalese at every riots. In 1984 Tamils living in 36 villages in Manal Aru were given 48 hour notice to quit, and after they left Sinhalese have been settled there and the place renamed as Weli Oya. This is the double standard that you are advocating and when I speak the truth accuse me of it. There is clear cut evidence of war crimes during the last stages of war, such as indiscriminate bombing and shelling of civilian areas, use of banned weapons like chemical and thermobaric, and summarily executing those who surrendered. If you are a person who is genuinely wishing for reconciliation,please allow for the conduct of an international investigation into the war crimes. For your information, I defeated a Sinhala person for the post of President in a prestigious association in the UK, dominated by Sinhalese with hardly and Tamils, a few years ago despite a concerted racist campaign carried out by my oponent and his Sinhala supporters. So you accusation against me is shattered.
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Off the Cuff / July 19, 2015
Dear Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam
You wrote “The issue here is war crimes committed by the security forces against non combatant Tamils”
You are putting the cart before the horse.
First you need to IDENTIFY the NON COMBATANT CIVILIANS.
Combatants were Camouflaged in CIVILIAN clothing.
That is an established FACT.
Though you referred to your Medico Legal experience in an attempt to IMPRESS the CT Readership, in a comment addressed to me. You abandoned the discussion after I questioned how you used that Medico Legal experience to IDENTIFY civilians from combatants.
You say “No fair minded Tamil has denied that LTTE committed atrocities. Most of the LTTE members who committed atrocities have either been killed in war or have been summarily executed after surrendering”
Are you not BLIND and being Intellectually Dishonest when you make such Tongue in Cheek comments?
Who amongst the following are Dead?
The link below shows a section of the LTTE Hierarchy. Some of them are dead but not all of them.
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iXyM_TBlhpA/U0A1E7dAhCI/AAAAAAAAYm4/Vp4m6nKy8xA/s1600/pirapaharan_delegation.jpg
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Why are you SILENT about the Living LTTE Leaders?
Adelle Balasingham is responsible for Child Soldiering and the death of at least a 100,000 Tamil Children.
Rudrakumaran of the TGTE is responsible for Financing and cover up and possibly many more underhand deals being a known Financial Crook.
Seems to me that you are saying that you are biased and is not a fair minded Tamil.
As Amarasiri says, that boils down to DOUBLE STANDARDS.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Dr Romesh Senewiratne-Alagaratnam / July 22, 2015
Gnana,
You claim that:
“Most of the LTTE members who committed atrocities have either been killed in war or have been summarily executed after surrendering.”
Can you tell me who the people who maintain these sites are?
https://www.youtube.com/user/eelamsong (National Television of Tamil Eelam)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ouvGxekE0 (Tamil Jaguar)
If you read the comments, look at the subscribers and their images of the LTTE flag and military leaders (including, but not only, Prabakaran) it is evidently ABSOLUTE RUBBISH to claim, as Gordon Weiss claimed immediately after he came back to Australia after the war (and wrote in ‘The Cage’), and you are repeating here, the all the LTTE leaders were killed or captured in the war.
In a speech in the USA (for the TGTE) my father claims that he advised people to say they fought with the LTTE when they hadn’t in order to claim the status of ‘hors de combat’ (‘out of combat’) and special protections under International Law. You can see the speech here – it is a clear indication that countries like Australia regarded this favourably in terms of “asylum” applications, believing the lies my father was spreading (and you are repeating) that LTTE fighters were being “summarily executed after surrendering”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N24uZSW87E (2009 speech claiming genocide, concentrations camps and summary executions, etc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn_2-C0syKo (2013 speech in USA for TGTE, regarding Tamil asylum seekers)
Your responses to OTC rather make me doubt your credibility, by the way. But I am curious as to your response.
Romesh
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manivannan / July 16, 2015
off the cliff- go of the cliff do not hang over to make comments !
if you want to make a comment use your own name than hiding behind!
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Dear manivannan,
Ha ha haa! The refuge of the IDIOTS.
Prove that “manivannan” is your own
Instead of making IDIOTIC comments address your mind to the message delivered.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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kali / July 19, 2015
Off the CLIFFE:
The only word you seem to know is IDIOT.
Why dont you hang it on your head.
I AM AN IDIOT and I have fallen off the CLIFFE.
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Off the Cuff / July 19, 2015
Dear Kali,
The word “IDIOT” describes the lowest form of foolishness.
There is no better word to describe you, Mallaiyuran, manivannan and a few others like you, who display that IDIOCY on CT, over and over, because they are IDIOTS who cannot see their own Nudity.
Perhaps Manivannan is less of an IDIOT than you as he has recognised what a fool he made of himself writing about my pseudonym and has withdrawn from further comment.
You have been going round and round the Mulberry bush because you cannot explain why 98.2% of the Tamil Speakers of Lanka have rejected the TGTE petition.
You are completely LOST because your usual tactic of intimidation, Red Herrings and moving goal posts has not met with any success with me.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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kali / July 19, 2015
Off the CLIFFE
You have found another Word. Intimidation. THUGS like you normally try this trick. But whe you meet a Bigger THUG your New colonial Master India you then take ordersvlying down and do as you are told.
Cancel , Ban and so on. It is a never ending Surrender.
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Off the Cuff / July 22, 2015
You have been going round and round the Mulberry bush because you cannot explain why 98.2% of the Tamil Speakers of Lanka have rejected the TGTE petition.
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Mallaiyuran / July 16, 2015
You said “young girls murdered planting bombs in their private parts after gang raped” Ha ha haa, How big was that bomb? Could not have been an artillery shell!
This is the ugliest form of an immoral Kandian Sinhala Intellectual villain’s laugh! It does not just hurt the Tamils who suffered through the Sinhala Intellectual army’s tortures and rapes (there are thousands links available in the YouTube showing how the Sinhala Intellectual army tortures; everybody show it- no point in me attaching it here again), it hurts the entire human civilization. It’s not the laughs show who these births are but, when these Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals like Off Tragic Cases ask for the size with the nasty intention of tracking into dirty fantasy his opponents with whom they cannot stand on debate, they fully expose them how they enjoyed their worst heinous crimes deeds when they did it. This is why NPC CM passed a resolution requesting the International Community to investigate the brutality of the Sinhala Intellectual army. Allowing the Sinhala Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals to investigate themselves will only enable them ruminate and re- chew the cud. CM led the resolution in the NPC and he stands as another hero as a night mare to the Sinhala Intellectuals.
They Know that the TGTE is the New Face of LTTE International. Mr. V. Rudrakumaran is from the LTTE inner circle.
Let me interpret this. Is that you are saying the ones controlled by the 6th amendment and the ones who wants to return to Lanka did know TGTE is the new face of LTTE, but the TN Tamils whom you did not question did not know the that TGTE is LTTE. Are telling your government is ready to set up polling booths and provide security to test how many wants to vote? Can write the sentence I put in quotation in your comment? “I the OTC calling the Lankave Government to provide full facility to Tamils tell their opinion about the International Investigation of the accused Genocide committed by the Sinhala Government”.
Do you think not just Sinhalese, even Tamils do not know the Kandian Sinhala Intellectual, the Off Tragic Case? If you have the courage that TGTE is only the LTTE’s new face could you bring the referendum and put it to rest just like Canada and Britain did? Could you tell what is the wrong of the LTTE’s face? Do you know other think how ugly your face is when they read what you have said in the first paragraph, which I have quoted.
Will you take one full page advertisement on Verakesari and Uthayan about the signature campaign and put PM Rudra’s 10′ cut out on every corner of the Tamil Eelam before you put you numbers first? Could give out one rice parcel for who ever coming and provide Transport with SLTB.
The start object was only a “one Lahks Signatures”. But the actual has passed more than ten times. this is already an amount PM Rudra did not dream even in his wildest dream. Further Remember, the voting is not over, it will continue. At that time when it comes to end, he is going to be shocked by pleasant surprise. It is going to establish a record in the Tamils’s history.
But 25 Nations out of UNHRC 47 nations voted to demand Lankave to allow UN Investigators. Only 12 voted to Lanka, including Iran, Cuba, Pakistan, China, Russia…After all your museum piece opinion is not counted by Tamils. They believe the UN official will take it into consideration. Read below a Kandian Sinhala Intellectual’s nasty attack on the UN Experts Panel because of the fear this signature campaign is really going to affect the opinion of those UN officials. After all none of UN Expert Panel had vote in the UNHRC. But the resolution based on the report they prepared is accepted by UNHRC.
“BTW Did the TGTE BRIBE Ms Yasmin Sooka, Mr. Marzuki Darusman and Mr. Steven Ratner to pervert Justice and exonerate the LTTE of employing Human Shields? Your BOSS the TGTE’s Rudrakumaran, is a known white collar Financial Thief who lost the license to practice as a lawyer in the US due to it.” As usual you just cut and pasted a news piece. But that said the Judge commended that PM Rudra is doing a good service to his people.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
No discussion is possible with Lying, Illiterate IDIOTS who cannot understand written English and will be jabbering about Kings and Queens, Princes and Princesses and EVERYTHING under the sun except the subject of discussion.
A guy who insists that Velvetiturai is not a Smugglers Paradise just because the Murdering Thug he worships, Prabahkaran, was born there has a PROVEN record of Intellectual DISHONESTY
COMMENT IS IGNORED.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Mallaiyuran / July 17, 2015
You said “young girls murdered planting bombs in their private parts after gang raped” Ha ha haa, How big was that bomb? Could not have been an artillery shell! This is the ugliest form of an immoral Kandian Sinhala Intellectual villain’s laugh! It does not just hurt the Tamils who suffered through the Sinhala Intellectual army’s tortures and rapes (there are thousands links available in the YouTube showing how the Sinhala Intellectual army tortures; everybody show it- no point in me attaching it here again), it hurts the entire human civilization. It’s not the laughs show who these births are but, when these Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals like Off Tragic Cases ask for the size with the nasty intention of tracking into dirty fantasy his opponents with whom they cannot stand on debate, they fully expose them how they enjoyed their worst heinous crimes deeds when they did it. This is why NPC CM passed a resolution requesting the International Community to investigate the brutality of the Sinhala Intellectual army. Allowing the Sinhala Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals to investigate themselves will only enable them ruminate and re- chew the cud. CM led the resolution in the NPC and he stands as another hero as a night mare to the Sinhala Intellectuals.
The prime minster sign and released the Drugs. Defense Department’s ships stopped at the ports for trading illegal arms. When these are the legal trade of Lankave terrorist government, bringing rice for the ones to whom the terrorist government has denied basic provision, is smuggling(Ok we accept that name). They fooled the people that rice is coming from moon and they imported special rice for them from China. When they place law that serving rice on Friday is smuggling, Kutti Mani is the only one can get rice for Hindus on Friday. That is why you plugged his eyes and tortured to kill him inside the prison. When a president of country said that he is starving the Tamils to make Sinhalese happy, the brave traders who break the back of the terrorist president’s government are smugglers. Well we want that name. Show a sentence that I wrote to denied that Valvettithurai traders did provide medicine, rice, dhal, spices, cloth that everything that was strictly issued North with ration card or not issued at all. You idiot can not understand a sentence written in English. I said I have accepted it. If you call me dishonest, (by not being able understand English or not)that i had accepted that Valvettithurai traders were the main supplies of the Tamils land, I like that name “dishonest”. I am proved that Sinhala Intellectual’s terrorist government could not deny those basic needs for Tamil until India’s Sonia terrorized the traders. Only braves like Valvettithuri can do it. Lankave is a country accused by Gordon Wise like UN official to have used the food and medicine as weapons. The honest one is not able to go to UNHRC and face the UN officials.
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Off the Cuff / July 18, 2015
No discussion is possible with Lying, Illiterate IDIOTS who cannot understand written English and will be jabbering about Kings and Queens, Princes and Princesses and EVERYTHING under the sun except the subject of discussion.
A guy who insists that Velvetiturai is not a Smugglers Paradise just because the Murdering Thug he worships, Prabahkaran, was born there has a PROVEN record of Intellectual DISHONESTY
Mallaiyuran’s COMMENT IS IGNORED.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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kali / July 16, 2015
Off the CLIFF:
Do you know that Ananthi who has Tiger Blood running through her veins polled the second highest votes after CM.
Eelam is a Gestapo Country where people are not allowed to Speak.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Dear Kali,
Irrelevant and Idiotic.
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kali / July 16, 2015
Off the CLIFF:
That is how Sinkalms sees it. Not the civilised World. People are willing express their vies in Secret and do you know the Army are still roaming the street. Sinkala police with the help of Douglas the Para Military THUG are controlling the populace. No Freedom Man.
That is how Dr.Seniveratne CBKs cousin the civilised individual sees it but not the 5.8 million THUGS like . Work it our for yourself which is relevant and which is IDIOTIC( yours). FOOL or should I say Bafoon.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Again IDIOTIC and IRRELEVANT.
Does not explain why 98.2% Tamil Speakers of Sri Lanka has not heeded the TGTE Rudrakumaran’s call, even with the TGTE Trumpets, Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah, Manicka Vasagar and Brian Senewiratne churning out article after article.
BTW Douglas is an Eelamist Tamil that the Megalomaniac Prabahkaran could not kill as he did the Eelamist Tamil Mahatthaya. Why is he against Eelamists like you?
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kali / July 16, 2015
Off the CLIFF:
Sinhala Lanka is still a Police State and there is no Freedom.
Wait untill September and Freedom will dawn. You are al yesterdays people and an Indian Colony and that is what is relevant.
If you want to prove me wrong can you expalin to me how India managed to ban Chinese Submariens and Cancelled Colombo Port City Project costing Billions.
I know you are going to tell me that is not RELEVANT anymore. IDIOT.
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Off the Cuff / July 17, 2015
Kali, this is a post script to my previous comment.
I don’t respond to moving goal posts. The subject matter is defined in my comment addressed to Usha on July 16, 2015 at 1:36 am which you decided to challenge.
Explain why 98.2% Tamil Speakers of Sri Lanka has REJECTED TGTE Rudrakumaran’s call.
Re “If you want to prove me wrong can you expalin to me how India managed to ban Chinese Submariens and Cancelled Colombo Port City Project costing Billions”
Sorry old chap you challenged me to prove me wrong and you have already lost.
Re “I know you are going to tell me that is not RELEVANT anymore. IDIOT”
If you think what you wrote is relevant then undoubtedly you are not simply an Idiot but one with a memory loss as well. Dementia perhaps?
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / July 17, 2015
“Dementia perhaps?”
Gali caught syphilis while “carrying water” for a few LTTE senior commanders a couple of decades ago – it must have reached his brain around the same time as the Nandikadal debacle :D
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kali / July 17, 2015
Off the CLIFF:
Explain why 98.2% Tamil Speakers of Sri Lanka has REJECTED TGTE Rudrakumaran’s call:
*** The answer is when you are on a CLIFF EDGE you dont know whether to Jump or wait to be pushed.
Do you know what CONDITIONED REFLEX means . Try me
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Native Vedda / July 17, 2015
Wee Thamihz Senior Journalist Siva Sankaran Sarma Menon
“Gali caught syphilis while “carrying water” for a few LTTE senior commanders a couple of decades ago”
Talk of the town at the time was that he spent some time with Rajpal Abeynayake in Thailand where he helped Rajpal find his wallet.
Were you there with them?
Is it true that its cheaper to shoot a duck than repair the gun?
Tell us from your own personal experience.
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Mallaiyuran / July 17, 2015
If you can count, can you show how did you arrive the 98.2% fool. If know what is petition means can you establish with calculation how much this petition should have earned to get the attention of the UNHRC.
Idiot do you know in TN 100% of the population who was approached for signature has signed the petition. Do you know one single person has not denied for it so far? Do you know the organizers are estimating about 25% of the computer owners has sighed the petition?
TN was the reason Sonia, who brought the counter resolution in UNHRC in 2009 May, has backed off and supported the American resolution in 2012 and 2013 and made to abstain from voting in 2014. Now they have double the effort. Sure they get India this time do more than what it did in the last three times.
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Off the Cuff / July 17, 2015
Dear kali,
Yours of July 17, 2015 at 2:47 am refers.
Re “*** The answer is when you are on a CLIFF EDGE you dont know whether to Jump or wait to be pushed. Do you know what CONDITIONED REFLEX means . Try me”
You are already at the bottom of the cesspit that you jumped into. Come out before you get drowned in the night soil.
You see Kali, your heroin and heroes have been COMPLETELY silenced.
You, their Joker, has been left wallowing in their night soil, unable to extricate yourself.
Intelligence Kali, cannot be acquired, you have to be born with it.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Off the Cuff / July 18, 2015
Re “If you can count, can you show how did you arrive the 98.2% fool”
It is simple arithmetic.
Do your own calculation and prove me wrong.
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Off the Cuff / July 17, 2015
Dear Kali,
This is your third consecutive IDIOTIC and IRRELEVANT comment. It proves that you are an incoherently blabbering IDIOT.
Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah, Manicka Vasagar and Brian Senewiratne the TGTE “senators” (sic) have not come to your rescue because they cannot explain why 98.2% Tamil Speakers of Sri Lanka has not heeded TGTE Rudrakumaran’s call.
Because they cannot say the idiotic things you say they very wisely allow the IDIOTS to do that for them.
You are struggling to weasel your way out of the Cesspit you stepped into. But the more you write the more soiled you get. Just like your hero the Murderer Prabahkaran, you too cannot see when you your position is unwinnable.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Mallaiyuran / July 19, 2015
“This is your third consecutive IDIOTIC and IRRELEVANT comment. It proves that you are an incoherently blabbering IDIOT.”
Stay there, we are going to watch your campaign for the world most dangerous Hitler. I know the anti-Tamil Modays will vote for him and bring him back. At the time, if the international government to take an action of the barbaric murders he committed, every point in you campaign wolds must be highlighted very well. Keep writing. We need something to point out where you and your boss are up to.
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Off the Cuff / July 22, 2015
Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah, Manicka Vasagar and Brian Senewiratne the TGTE “senators” (sic) have not come to your rescue either because they cannot explain why 98.2% Tamil Speakers of Sri Lanka has not heeded TGTE Rudrakumaran’s call
Mallaiyuran, you being a language challenged IDIOT, has had an ignominious experience, trying to challenge what they did not.
Fools rush in where Angles fear to tread!!!
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Dr Romesh Senewiratne-Alagaratnam / July 22, 2015
Dear Mulli,
“the world most dangerous Hitler”??
Neither Rajapaksa nor any other Sri Lankan president has even contemplated an attack on the Maldive Islands, let alone taking over the whole of India or Asia. Hitler invaded Poland before attempting to conquer all of Europe (and all they ruled under the various European empires).
Hitler killed millions of people in the several foreign countries he invaded, and German militarism threatened the peace and security of the whole world. On top of that was the calculated, scientifically planned and executed mass-murder of millions of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mental patients etc in an effort to create an Germanic super-race, concentration camps, the development of new types of chemical and biological weaponry as well as conventional weapons. (check the history of IG Farben and the German military-industrial complex of the Nazis).
Stop being silly.
Romesh
BTW you are rather unlikely to win a debate with OTC, since he is armed with facts, while you are not (aside from the obvious differences in linguistic competence).
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Yakkadaya / July 17, 2015
kali
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Ranjan Rajakaruna / July 18, 2015
(A)kali
“Dr.Seniveratne CBKs cousin the civilised individual” What??????????
Self-claimed Bandaranayake – The promoter of “LTTE” international terrorist group – Is he a civilised individual?????
Does not make any sense!!!!!!!!
To most of Sri Lankans – Dr. Seneviratna is a still-born Sinhalese to a Tamil vagabond.
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Yakkadaya / July 17, 2015
Off the Cuff
Well said.
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Toronto Tamil / July 16, 2015
Kali,
“Do you know that Ananthi who has Tiger Blood running through her veins polled the second highest votes after CM.”
She says that she never was a tiger. Thus no need to rehabilitate her. Is she lying about her background?
“Eelam is a Gestapo Country where people are not allowed to Speak.”
Who stopped Ananthy from becoming a MP?
It was the old wise men from her own party not the Sinhalese Buddhist Chauvinists.
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kali / July 16, 2015
Toronto Tamil:
What happened to the rset of the Title ” Ex Pat” Dropped it have or were you forced to drop. Who forced you.
She says that she never was a tiger. Thus no need to rehabilitate her. Is she lying about her background?
*** Did she phone you or come to see you in Hambanthotta.
She said she she handed over her Husband to you Barbaric Soldiers.
Who stopped Ananthy from becoming a MP
*** MS
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Toronto Tamil / July 17, 2015
Kali,
“Toronto Tamil: What happened to the rset of the Title ” Ex Pat” Dropped it have or were you forced to drop. Who forced you.”
I decided to shorten my name to save energy. I apologize for any confusion. I belong to the Toronto Tamils not supporting Usha and her mates. We are the majority.
“She says that she never was a tiger. Thus no need to rehabilitate her. Is she lying about her background? *** Did she phone you or come to see you in Hambanthotta.”
Her claim about never having been a tiger has been in the English speaking media recently. You can call her and ask her about the claim. Her number is easy to find on her homepage [Edited out] or the NPC homepage. Please call her and post the results as a comment.
“She said she she handed over her Husband to you Barbaric Soldiers.”
That is maybe true or just another claim. According to her even their 3 daughters were present.
Why did her husband not fight to the very end or swallow his cyanide capsule? Was he a coward?
“Who stopped Ananthy from becoming a MP”
Why don’t you reply? This is the real question. I repeat that she was stopped by the elderly wise guys of her own party not others. Can you dispute this?
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R K Raghavan / July 17, 2015
Kali is Mahinda’s mentor, agent, disciple, servant, boot licker, [Edited out]
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kali / July 17, 2015
Ragupathy K Raghavan:
I have already spoken to your Cousin Dr. RN in Gutter Language and he is very upset. So I asked the Sanian to burn some Chutti.
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R K Raghavan / July 17, 2015
[Edited out] Kali
Who is DR RN? I am a cousin of Dr RN? What a finding.
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R K Raghavan / July 17, 2015
Kali
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Mallaiyuran / July 17, 2015
Do have checked what a petition is at the learnersdictionary.com? Do you have any idea if Obama has to answer a petition to white house, how many thousand have to sign it? Do you know it is only one percent. Fool, just like you earned your lowyer degree from Namal University, it appears you have a petition degree too.
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Off the Cuff / July 18, 2015
An IDIOT is Ranting!!!
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Mallaiyuran / July 18, 2015
PLEASE DO NOT CUT PASTE BACK THIS TOO. The King of the cut and paste cutting my question and pasting it back to me.
It is simple arithmetic. Do your own calculation and prove me wrong.
I know you can not count. It is may mistake asking you proof. For that, the idiot Kandian Sinhala Intellectual is submitting proof that he can not read too.
Kandian Sinhala Intellectual, Off, Tragic Case, stop worring about giving me proof. You never learned the thing you said above. Apparently, even if you had said it of your own, you will never ever will come with out a calculation of how the 98.2 % came out. You did not say that. This time even your paid backups did not come to help. You are struggling alone. So you stole it on CT and and throw it to other commentators. Great trick of cut paste, the shameless Kandian Sinhala Intellectual!
Try to read this Kandian Sinhala Intellectual Off,Tragic Case. You can do it. Give it a shot this time.
If you can count, can you show how did you arrive the 98.2% fool. If know what is petition means can you establish with calculation how much this petition should have earned to get the attention of the UNHRC. Idiot do you know in TN 100% of the population who was approached for signature has signed the petition. Do you know one single person has not denied for it so far? Do you know the organizers are estimating about 25% of the computer owners has sighed the petition? TN was the reason Sonia, who brought the counter resolution in UNHRC in 2009 May, has backed off and supported the American resolution in 2012 and 2013 and made to abstain from voting in 2014. Now they have double the effort. Sure they get India this time do more than what it did in the last three times.
Idiot, A show your natural habit looting Sinhala Intellectual Army game (looting the Tamils in the North and selling in the south); that is why I asked you to explain the number. You are much much much much…. below to guess what are you doing.
“An IDIOT is Ranting!!! “
“A HENCHMAN IS STRUGGLING TO GET HIS PAY.”
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Off the Cuff / July 18, 2015
Dear Mallaiyuran,
I have done my arithmetic and the answer was posted.
98.2% of the Tamil speakers of Lanka has REJECTED the TGTE call to sign their petition.
Prove it wrong if you can without jabbering like the Idiot you are.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Mallaiyuran / July 19, 2015
Free import is keeping your hallucination high?
Do you know from whom did you steal the quotation? If your hallucination is calming down can you name it?
You are now utterly confuses and writing back and forth.
First thing, you the Kandian Sinhala Intellectual, can you check your learnersdictionary.com to see what the word rejection means? Cutting and pasting for years and still you could not cut and bring the original comment what it says. What did you prove? What can you prove?
I saw your arithmetic capability in your ugliest comment that is below here again. Is that your arithmetical prove?
You said “young girls murdered planting bombs in their private parts after gang raped” HA HA HAA, HOW BIG WAS THAT BOMB? COULD NOT HAVE BEEN AN ARTILLERY SHELL!. This is the ugliest form of an immoral Kandian Sinhala Intellectual villain’s laugh! It does not just hurt the Tamils who suffered through the Sinhala Intellectual army’s tortures and rapes (there are thousands links available in the YouTube showing how the Sinhala Intellectual army tortures; everybody show it- no point in me attaching it here again), it hurts the entire human civilization. It’s not the laughs show who these births are but, when these Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals like Off Tragic Cases ask for the size with the nasty intention of tracking into dirty fantasy his opponents with whom they cannot stand on debate, they fully expose them how they enjoyed their worst heinous crimes deeds when they did it. This is why NPC CM passed a resolution requesting the International Community to investigate the brutality of the Sinhala Intellectual army. Allowing the Sinhala Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals to investigate themselves will only enable them ruminate and re- chew the cud. CM led the resolution in the NPC and he stands as another hero as a night mare to the Sinhala Intellectuals.
This where we need international Inquiry on the murders the brutal Sinhala Intellectuals did. Here again, as usual a Kandian Sinhala intellectual is interpreting non voters as opponents of the petition. This how now Vidhiya murder case too changed. The Sinhala lowyers forcefully inserted into that case by the government have said to judge that the Government officials who handle the case have successfully destroyed the evidences so there is no case can be conducted. The bullied Tamil judge by the appe anduva is scared to order the arrest of the official who destroyed the evidences. That is how this Kandian Sinhala Intellectual also is interpreting the 92.8 non voters as rejected voters. If an inquiry takes palace inside these Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals again going to destroy the evidences and dismiss the case. We need an international inquiry!
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Off the Cuff / July 19, 2015
Dear Mallaiyuran,
Have you withdrawn your challenge on the Arithmetic?
Have you realised that you made an IDIOTIC challenge?
98.2% of the Tamil speakers of Lanka has REJECTED the TGTE call to sign their petition.
Do you agree or not?
If you don’t agree, prove me wrong and show the CT Readership, why it is wrong. Make sure to challenge others intelligently with a comment focused on the subject.
I see that you are learning.
BTW I don’t make ugly comments.
I make appropriate responses to UGLY comments.
So make sure that you refrain from making UGLY comments.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Mallaiyuran / July 20, 2015
“Have you withdrawn your challenge on the Arithmetic?”
I know you have no other way but to re-start your begging “Purana”. I asked the fool if there is any math behind his stolen pasting, provide it. Before I see it has started to assume that I am going to challenge it. That much cowardice is residing in this Sinhala Intellectual.
You foolishness is you copied some other’s comment without analyzing it (that is simply you have no capacity to analyze any statistics). You have no capacity to analyzing anything. The original commentator failed to confirm him/her if the petitioner directed it only to Tamils. It is signed by American lawyers, Canadian Politicians, Australian Social Service personal, Europe sportsmen, British Pop Singers, Sinhala Human Rights Activist, Indian Cinema Actors…… As deep, deep down well frog, you interpreted his/her misjudgment as correct math. Further the white house will answer a partition of the passed the 99% non-singing level. This how, in 2014 the foolish Sinhala Intellectual Foreign Minister, GLP claimed as he had 23 votes at UNHRC including the nonvoters as on his side. But the UNHRC accepted it as a passed resolution. The same thing the UNHRC will do when the petition is submitted to them. You just keep rambling here and telling your “bring of rice from moon” story for the Modaya crowd.
Check this out, then you will know how your arithmetic is working. Understanding this is more complicated to you than to an average person understanding the rocket science. So, my advice for you is, this has no use for you. Show it to your bosses. They may understand this math.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Aw8vzvgnQ
As a Magic hat person, you have your own statistics. Time and after you release the zero casualty talks. Nobody paid attention to the Zero casualty talk. There were 70,000 Tamil in Mullaithivu area, as per you. U.N. contended you killed at least 70,000. Then a 370,000 was witnessed by NGOs in the Internment Camps and then you claimed zero casualties. This is your magic hat math. If somebody asks you to come to ICC, you expecting even that new born child have to sign a petition.
Will you write down here if all 100% of the Tamils sign the petition, then you accept the Old Royals, the Old King, Brother Prince, Fonseka and others have to be investigated at the ICC? You will never do that. Then whom do you fool with the 98.2%? Why are you keep begging me to stop writing and let you go? You came to write; stop asking other if they want to go. Are we asking you to go? No; we want you to continue, so that we can write something related. How the cow gives milk? Because the calf is butting at its udder. Keep writing; be assured to get your reply. We highly depend on you writing to comment!
This time, even your bosses and backups have let you down, so you went to loot some other commentators’ points and pasted here. This is not plagiarism; this is looting. What to do? Looting is the nature of the Sinhala Intellectuals, whether they have it no. Then you say Senator Usha is not replying to your rambles and had let others down. Tell something Off Targic, Case , the Kandian Sinhala Intellectual, am I supposed to laugh at your comedy or cry watching it why the god has let you down so badly in the in the matter of intelligence?
Always the provocative writer Senators’ article gets more than 300 comments. Everybody likes to read her writing and a massive number comment on that too. She is remaining as pillar for the CT’s popularity. Your haughty and vain hope of Dr.Brian, Senators Uhsa like cannons coming and replying for your rambles makes others really laugh at you fool.
This petition has created a massive wave in the Sinhala Intellectuals world; even in the Sinhala Intellectuals Media too. This is the media which wrote that Secretary Kerry was going to send U.S. troops to Lankave. Now they wrote that the undersecretary has taken NPC CM from his vacation and had warned him not to talk about International Investigation. Comedy Thamai. That much temptation has this petition created to the Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals to lie, to convolute and to misinterpret the purpose and the nature of a petition.
Funny part of that is NPC has passed its resolution on this to take States’ attention. This comedian, the Off Case Kandian Sinhala Intellectual wrote all these rambles that time too. NPC has the 80% approvals of its area. The rest is only army votes. Tamil Nadu is the one forced Sonia India and made the 2012 stating resolution possible. Other than one candidate no other seats were lost in Tamil Nadu in the last election. This Assembly had passed a resolution for International Investigation and Tamil Eelam. This is case with Singapore too. Their Chinese prime minster has said the Old King atrocities have be investigated. When no Tamil area has missed their support for ICC Investigation this rambler, Sinhala Intellectual is writing thing to fool Sinhala Buddhists.
The petition has a moving target. They had moderately fixed the target at one lakh. They thought that is more than enough to take it to UNHRC and to the High Commissioner Prince Zeid. But the result is 15 times more than they wanted. Now their manual record keeping ability has been beaten up. So they are struggling to get the massive number of the hand signatures out. This looks like equal to the computer signatures. So when they release the actual number, it will be double the computer number. Even computer signing did not go well. They hired an average company to this job. The company is complaining the signature process is so overwhelming their server, so they need to add more muscle. One of my friend said he tried 14 times and still he could not sign. Server is that busy. Further aggravation is coming to the server is from the Sinhala Intellectual, who are panicked by the soaring numbers, sitting in front of the computer and checking the totals again and again.
Because of all these continuous rumblings going out there, TGTE is no longer thinking of taking it to only to UNHRC, as per the original plan. They want to cash on the rumblings. They are planning to send this to all the useful recipients.
This haughty fool when he cannot write any math for the statistics that he had stolen from somebody else, hoping that I may stop writing. Further still fasting, thinking Senator will go and give him orange juice so that he can eat something.
It is not just that, this Off, Targic Case still have not read what the 98.2 % the Original comment is saying. So this Kandian Sinhala Intellectual keep changing it too.
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Off the Cuff / July 20, 2015
The IDIOT Mallaiyuran is Ranting again because he cannot disprove the figure I used in the following statement
98.2% of the Tamil speakers of Lanka has REJECTED the TGTE call to sign their petition.
The simple thing to do to prove me wrong is to produce the data and the calculation, instead, the IDIOT goes on a Long winded irrelevant rigmarole.
The reason is obvious to any intelligent person
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Mallaiyuran / July 20, 2015
Hey Kandian Sinhala Intellectual Off Tragic Case.
Learn to read first. You have not attended an school. Are you saying you used? Who are you, Mr.Cut cat paste?
You said “young girls murdered planting bombs in their private parts after gang raped” HA HA HAA, HOW BIG WAS THAT BOMB? COULD NOT HAVE BEEN AN ARTILLERY SHELL!. This is the ugliest form of an immoral Kandian Sinhala Intellectual villain’s laugh! It does not just hurt the Tamils who suffered through the Sinhala Intellectual army’s tortures and rapes (there are thousands links available in the YouTube showing how the Sinhala Intellectual army tortures; everybody show it- no point in me attaching it here again), it hurts the entire human civilization. It’s not the laughs show who these births are but, when these Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals like Off Tragic Cases ask for the size with the nasty intention of tracking into dirty fantasy his opponents with whom they cannot stand on debate, they fully expose them how they enjoyed their worst heinous crimes deeds when they did it. This is why NPC CM passed a resolution requesting the International Community to investigate the brutality of the Sinhala Intellectual army. Allowing the Sinhala Kandian Sinhala Intellectuals to investigate themselves will only enable them ruminate and re- chew the cud. CM led the resolution in the NPC and he stands as another hero as a night mare to the Sinhala Intellectuals
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Off the Cuff / July 21, 2015
The IDIOT Mallaiyuran is still struggling with his Arithmetic.
98.2% of the Tamil speakers of Lanka has REJECTED the TGTE call to sign their petition.
Do you agree or not?
You have written 6 comments after challenging my calculations on July 17, 2015 at 7:34 am. You are still struggling with Primary school arithmetic. What else to expect from an IDIOT?
Red Herrings wont work.
Your comment is ignored.
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Heretic / July 15, 2015
AVB,
http://www.tgte-icc.org/
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Amarasiri / July 15, 2015
International Criminal Court, ICC,
Refer Sri Lanka to International Criminal Court
We, the undersigned people from around the world, urge the United Nations to refer Sri Lanka to the International Criminal Court (ICC) or to establish a similar credible International Judicial Mechanism for investigation and prosecution of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed against the Tamil people by the Sri Lankan State.
According to the UN Internal Review Report on Sri Lanka, there were “credible estimates” of civilian casualties of 70,000 Tamils during the first six months in 2009. As the former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pointed out, Sri Lanka is one of the notable countries, along with Bosnia, Burma, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Sudan and elsewhere, where rape was used as a tactic of war.
Heretic,
Thanks for the link.
We firmly believe that neither a domestic mechanism nor a hybrid mechanism will mete out justice to the Tamil People
AND THE MUSLIM PEOPLE WHO WERE ABUSED BY THE LTTE WAR CRIMINALS.
The call by the new Sri Lankan government for a domestic or hybrid mechanism to replace any international judicial process is an attempt to deflect the call for referral to the ICC and to delay other meaningful actions on accountability.
Efforts to establish a domestic Truth and Reconciliation Commission is another diversionary tactic to protect those who committed serious crimes against Tamils AND THE MUSLIM PEOPLE WHO WERE ABUSED BY THE LTTE WAR CRIMINALS.
The current situation in Sri Lanka constitutes an ongoing “threat to the peace” under Chapter 7 Article 39 of the UN Charter, because there has been absolutely no accountability for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide, against the citizens of Sri Lanka, the Land of Native Veddah Aethho including THE MUSLIM PEOPLE WHO WERE ABUSED BY THE LTTE WAR CRIMINALS.
Forgotten People – The Evicted and Displaced North Muslims of Sri Lanka (English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JV60McNQ9o
Published on Jun 1, 2013
The Evicted and Displaced North Muslims of Sri Lanka. The expulsion of the Muslims and other nations from the Northern province was an act of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Tamil militant Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) organization in October 1990. In order to achieve their goal of creating a mono ethnic Tamil state in the North Sri Lanka, the LTTE forcibly expelled the 72,000 strong Muslim population from the Northern Province.
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Real Peace / July 15, 2015
Hi Ms Gorgeous
I take my hat off to you for your massive contribution to bring justice to those thousands of Tamil civilians who were massacred by the ruthless SL regime, but what makes me sad is you are turning a blind eye to the crimes committed by the LTTE.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
She is Protecting Adelle Bala because Adelle has made sure that the Tamil’s in Heaven (or is it Hell?) will multiply fast by sending a 100,000 children over there.
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kali / July 16, 2015
Real ( Rubbish) PIECE:
but what makes me sad is you are turning a blind eye to the crimes committed by the LTTE.
*** The difference is that you killed for a living ( the Animal instinct in you).
What makes me Glad is that we killed to survive but I am sad that we didn’t kill the lot of you. Lock Stock and Barrel.
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Amarasiri / July 16, 2015
kali
“What makes me Glad is that we killed to survive but I am sad that we didn’t kill the lot of you. Lock Stock and Barrel.”
Didn’t they speak Tamil? LTTE-Tamil Double Standards?
Forgotten People – The Evicted and Displaced North Muslims of Sri Lanka (English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JV60McNQ9o
Published on Jun 1, 2013
The Evicted and Displaced North Muslims of Sri Lanka. The expulsion of the Muslims and other nations from the Northern province was an act of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Tamil militant Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) organization in October 1990. In order to achieve their goal of creating a mono ethnic Tamil state in the North Sri Lanka, the LTTE forcibly expelled the 72,000 strong Muslim population from the Northern Province.
-Amarasiri
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kali / July 17, 2015
Off the CLIFF:
Explain why 98.2% Tamil Speakers of Sri Lanka has REJECTED TGTE Rudrakumaran’s call:
*** The answer is when you are on a CLIFF EDGE you dont know whether to Jump or wait to be pushed.
Do you know what CONDITIONED REFLEX means . Try me
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kali / July 17, 2015
Amarasiri:
Didn’t they speak Tamil? LTTE-Tamil Double Standards?
*** Sorry I didnt reply earlier. I had to get hold of Karuna the ex Murderer and then Minister for permission.
He asked me to tell you that it is his Doctrine.
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Burning Issue / July 16, 2015
Kali,
“What makes me Glad is that we killed to survive but I am sad that we didn’t kill the lot of you.”
I beg to defer. The LTTE killed Neelan Thiruchelvam, TULF Parliamentarians, and fellow Tamils who represented other militant groups! We cannot simply whitewash the antics of the LTTE just like that!
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kali / July 16, 2015
Burning Issue:
Karuna killed Neelan Thiruchelvam. Knowingly why did you make him a minister.
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Burning Issue / July 17, 2015
Kali,
“Karuna killed Neelan Thiruchelvam. Knowingly why did you make him a minister.”
Neelan Thiruchelvam was blown to piece by a suicide bomber! I am a Tamil and have been asking for an International investigation based on war crimes and crimes against humanity ever since May 2009. However at the same time, I am not under any illusion that the LTTE committed equally callous crimes.
You have labelled me with the MR gang who appointed Karuna as a Minister just because I recognised the crimes committed by the LTTE! Isn’t this pathetic? Why cannot I be a Tamil who seeks justice for the Tamils and at the same time recognise the crimes committed by the Tamils on Tamils? The Paradox is that you expect the Sinhala to recognise the crimes committed on Tamils by the Sinhala but you are not prepared to recognise the crimes committed by the LTTE and et al on Tamils!
I see no difference between the ilk such as such, KS Sumanie, Thonda, Vibhush et al and you. Both sides stand on the opposite spectrums but espouse the same ideology!
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Heretic / July 17, 2015
Burning Issue,
“Why cannot I be a Tamil who seeks justice for the Tamils and at the same time recognise the crimes committed by the Tamils on Tamils?”
Thanks. Very good question. I agree with what you wrote.
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Real Peace / July 16, 2015
I can understand Kali is missing his thesiathaivar prbaharan so badly. I don’t think kali can take this anymore!!
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kali / July 17, 2015
Real PIECE:
You are right man. It is not only me but the entire Tamil Population of nearly 100 Millon miss him very dearly much bigger fan club than a Famous Lady I used to know untill we fell out over some silly memory sticks.
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Real Peace / July 16, 2015
Kalli
I can understand you miss your Thesiaththalaivar Prabaharan so badly and I know you can’t take this anymore. My heartfelt sympathies to you.
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Paul / July 16, 2015
‘Hi Ms Gorgeous I take my hat off to you…..’
Yuk Real Peace! What the hell is wrong with you? Please stop at your hat…..and get yourself a girlfriend.
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m / July 16, 2015
please sign at http://www.tgte-icc.org
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Dr Romesh Senewiratne-Alagaratnam / July 22, 2015
Sign without critical reading on the advice of the anonymous ‘m’? And donate, too, perhaps?
Sounds like a scam.
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lal / July 16, 2015
No Link, no Logic but a petition to legitimise Tamil Racism, Genocide of Muslims by Tamils and Tamil Terrorism. They who wanted to live by the sword (and suicide bombs) have perished by the sword in the war they, the Terrorists started. Usha and Rudekumar should get used to the humiliating defeat handed to the Terrorist LTTE and Get a Life.
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Native Vedda / July 16, 2015
lal loo
Chinese stock market is in difficulty.
Being all weather friends could you help the Chinese stabilize it recover their economy so that they could go to war with India take over some more land.
This is the right time to help China and ask them to fight your war in India.
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Lasanda / July 15, 2015
How sad b…..!!! You have only a million??? We the sunhalise majority are against any investigation! We eradicated terrorists from my land. Period . End of story!!! If your ugly a… Cannot digest it , hard luck!!Get a life woman!!!
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Davidson Panabokke / July 15, 2015
Pity we are still struggling to eliminate state terrorism that created rebel terrorism LTTE:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/104705097/Conscientious-Sinhalese-Tell-LLRC
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Lasanda / July 16, 2015
Ha, if that’s what you belive, then all blacks in U.S. Must become terrorists and start massacring innocent white civilians like your dear praba did to Sinhalese !Remember Kabithigolawa massacre of children and mothers of my race !!!! I will not forget but you have!!!!
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Ranjan Rajakaruna / July 18, 2015
Dear Pani-Bokke
Looks like you also miss you Thalavar mass murder podian son goat?
There is nothing like eliminating a LTTE racist terrorist. You are a terrible cancer to civil societies.
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Richard Kaz / July 16, 2015
A Tamil calls for justice for the innocent victims of the SL state and your best response is to be misogynistic??
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kali / July 16, 2015
Lasanda:
We the sunhalise majority are against any investigation: I didn’t know that there are sunhalise in the South. Are they aliens.
*** That is because you have a LOT to hide man. If you have a clean hand why don’t you show it Idiot.
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Lasanda / July 16, 2015
What do you mean by south??? Sinhalese must rule north and south! You people thought praba will get you the north for you!!!! Never!!!now try with USA and we will show what we are capable of!! No land is better than giving north to parasites.
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kali / July 17, 2015
Lasanda
??? !!!! ??? S!!!! ??? !!!! ??? S!!!??? !!!! ??? S!!!! ??? !!!! ??? S!!!??? !!!! ??? S!!!! ??? !!!! ??? S!!!??? !!!! ??? S!!!! ??? !!!! ??? S!!!
Are these sunhalise. Plenty of them and I am sure they are in the Majority.
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Lasanda / July 17, 2015
Kali yaka,
To reply , I cannot understand your parasite song!!!!
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kali / July 17, 2015
Lasanda:
I have never heard a Parasite Song. Next time can you tape it and put it on U Tube. Is it something you listen daily .
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kali / July 17, 2015
Lasanda:
I didnt know that the Sunhalise are also Parasites. Man too many.
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Lassnda / July 17, 2015
You just wrote it stupid!!!! Typical ignorant parasite!!!
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Thamilan / July 15, 2015
Usha,
Can you kindly tell us as to how the Sri Lankan Tamils problem will be solved by taking the Sri Lankan Government to the International Criminal Court.
To me, it only makes life difficult for those Tamils living in Sri Lanka.
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Native Vedda / July 15, 2015
Thamilan
“Can you kindly tell us as to how the Sri Lankan Tamils problem will be solved by taking the Sri Lankan Government to the International Criminal Court.”
You claim to be a Tamilan yet you believe its a Tamils problem. It is not a Tamils problem it is Sinhala/Buddhists problem which has been imposed on rest of the people.
Sinhala/Buddhist problem has to be dealt with locally.
If the state does not address war crimes and crime against humanity (committed since 5th April 1971) by setting up a credible Truth and Reconciliation Commission then someone somewhere has to deal with it.
Being smart ass will not absolve all those crimes.
“To me, it only makes life difficult for those Tamils living in Sri Lanka.”
Please look after your immediate family and leave the war crime issues to the people who have actually suffered since 1971.
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Metha Singh / July 15, 2015
Hello Sir,
if some one kills your son or rape your daughter and you know who is the criminal you can act in two ways.
1. you do all you can to bring him before the court if you you do not want to take the law in your hands
or,
2. Resign and give up by saying to yourself that it can not bring back your son or daughter.
it all depends how bad you feel affected by the crime.
thank you.
Metha S.
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paul / July 15, 2015
Thamilan, she is not bothered about the suffering of Tamils in Sri Lanka, nor the consequences for them of going to the ICC. After settling comfortably in the West, her pastime is venting her hatred.
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Real Peace / July 16, 2015
Paul
Your comments are completely unfair. In July 1983, SL naval soldiers came out of their base, hijacked a state bus and burned down EVERY TAMIL SHOP in Trinco town. In the same month over 75 Tamil prisoners were massacred by the co prisoners and prison guards, but still not a single person has been punished. There were many, many other horrendous crimes against the Tamils not necessarily by the civilian Sinhala thugs but by the very state forces that were supposed to protect all citizens. Just by saying “her pastime is venting her hatred” you reduce yourself to the level of the thugs who committed all these brutal crimes. Please grow up
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alex / July 16, 2015
You are wasting your breath. ‘Paul’ doesn’t care about justice as far as Tamils are concerned. Otherwise, he would support the ICC campaign.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Dear Real Peace,
Are you going to live in the past forever?
Tamils of Jaffna (the Land owning class) have burned down 15 Schools in Jaffna because other Tamils (Slave classes) were allowed to sit on Benches instead of the Floor.
Of the four slave castes, the koviyars were the most privileged, as they had been household servants to the vellala; the nalavas or toddy-tappers, and the pallas, landless labourers, were however treated much like helots or serfs by the vellala who formed the powerful landowning class (H. W. Tambiah, Laws and Customs of the Tamils of Jaffna, p. 95 cited by Dr Jane Russel).
The Vellalah has used Rape, Arson, Violence and even the POISONING of Drinking water to maintain their Rule over the Majority Tamil Population of the North.
Was anyone held accountable?
Take Canada, UK, USA, Australia etc. All of them have had worse crimes committed by the present govts on people of those countries.
Except UK, the other govts are INVADERS.
Are the Slaves of those countries still living in the PAST like the separatist Tamils do?
How did they achieve Peace?
Not by any INQUISITION.
I hope you learn to THINK.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Real Peace / July 16, 2015
OTC
I can understand you have started panicking as the UNHCR’s report is round the corner! Please calm down. Sit down securely, put your hands on your mouth and take a deep breath slowly through your right nostril and then the left. When you feel ok, let me know, we can debate the subject.
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Off the Cuff / July 17, 2015
Dear Real Peace,
I have no cause to panic because I write verifiable factual comments. You on the other hand is avoiding the issues raised, by making irrelevant and idiotic responses.
I have discussed the ICC in my comment to Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam on July 16, 2015 at 5:12 pm on this web page. If you are interested please contest what I have written.
I never avoid a debate but all your big guns have gone silent and you are jabbering irrelevancies.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Real Peace / July 17, 2015
OTC
You appear to argue that the LTTE also committed war crimes so we (SL regime) are off the hook. Your approach is flawed. My position is that the SL regime committed WC in a massive scale and the LTTE also committed WC to some extent. Both are war crime criminals. Many Tamils who complain about WC avoid saying anything about the LTTE’s war crimes. Sadly the writer of this article also belongs to this category.
The WC committed by the SL regime utterly appealing. It’s not just about killing only. The population of Vanni was deliberately downsized to permit less food, independent witnesses were removed from the scene, indiscriminate shelling knowing there were civilians, medical services were denied for those injured, sexual abuse by security forces, surrendered cadres were tortured and executed, those who surrendered with white flags were massacred, etc etc.The UN will illustrate all this.
My position is whoever committed or actively associated with these war criminals – whether they are members of the LTTE or SL regime – must be severely punished and victims should be appropriately compensated. Hope you will agree with me.
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Off the Cuff / July 18, 2015
Dear Real Peace,
Re “You appear to argue that the LTTE also committed war crimes so we (SL regime) are off the hook”
Where have I said that?
Re “My position is that the SL regime committed WC in a massive scale and the LTTE also committed WC to some extent”
You have not supported your position. If you do so I will show you why you are wrong.
Re “Many Tamils who complain about WC avoid saying anything about the LTTE’s war crimes. Sadly the writer of this article also belongs to this category”
Yes I agree.
Anyone who praises Prabahkaran as a Hero is also in that category.
Re “The WC committed by the SL regime utterly appealing. It’s not just about killing only. The population of Vanni was deliberately downsized to permit less food”
All public servants through whom data is collected were paid by the govt but the LTTE decided whether they should live or Die. Thus the Public Servants could not work independently and had to report what the LTTE wanted reported. The data the govt received was therefore Inflated and the govt compensated for the inflation when supplying food in order to prevent the LTTE stock piling food.
All food was sequestered by the LTTE and no food went to the people directly from the govt. High Energy Biscuits meant for children and pregnant women supplied by the WFP were discovered in LTTE bunkers.
It was not the LTTE who spent for the public services (medical, Educational, administrative etc) for the 27 years that the LTTE had control. In fact the LTTE did not provide anything for the people they only taxed them.
Re “independent witnesses were removed from the scene,”
Who are the “Independent” witnesses? The NGOs who supplied the LTTE with Heavy Earth movers that were used to build obstacles? The people who diverted construction material purportedly for rebuilding work but which ended up in Prabahkaran’s luxurious underground bunkers or underground hospitals and other facilities?
Re “indiscriminate shelling knowing there were civilians”
If that was done the war would have been over in weeks instead of years.
Re “medical services were denied for those injured”
How so?
The ICRC transported all the sick and injured to hospitals under govt control for treatment.
Re ” sexual abuse by security forces, surrendered cadres were tortured and executed, those who surrendered with white flags were massacred, etc etc.The UN will illustrate all this.”
Regarding the white flag incident as depicted in the white flags website of the TGTE, I have no doubt that Ramesh and Isaipriya was in custody when they met with their deaths. Undoubtedly killings have occurred that warrant investigation. That is within Local Jurisdiction not International Jurisdiction.
Re “The UN will illustrate all this”
The UN investigators Mr. Darusman, Ms. Yasmin Sooka and Mr. Steven Ratner have been BRIBED. They should be held to account and deterrent punishment meted out.
Please see my detailed argument here
https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/a-million-people-counting-want-sri-lanka-referred-to-the-icc/comment-page-1/#comment-1860224
Re “My position is whoever committed or actively associated with these war criminals – whether they are members of the LTTE or SL regime – must be severely punished and victims should be appropriately compensated. Hope you will agree with me”
Any Judicial system requires the following prerequisites.
1. A common Law that does not exempt Anyone/Country
2. Judges who are Scrupulously Impartial
3. An investigative body that has the power to investigate sans any type of pressure and is also Scrupulously Impartial.
If that can be ensured I have no problem with an International Inquiry.
But as you have seen above the UN investigators have been bribed.
Those who financed the war should also be tried as they are equally culpable.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Real Peace / July 18, 2015
Dear OTC
You do not seem to be an HR activist, but you behave like a defender of the hardcore war criminals. I suggest you become a member of the team defending war criminals if and when there is a court hearing. I have no doubt the judges will chuck your arguments in the bin. Good luck.
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Off the Cuff / July 19, 2015
Dear Real Peace,
Finally you have discarded the Sheep’s skin and has shown your true nature.
If you thought that insinuations can replace a Logical argument based on Facts you thought wrong.
When I ask you to prove what you say you blow a gasket!!!
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / July 17, 2015
We Thamizh are We Thamizh’s own worst enemy, it’s been proven time and time again :D
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lal / July 16, 2015
Why don’t you pro LTTE guys in the diaspora acknowledge the killings of innocent Sinhala civilians, unarmed policemen, buddhist priests, school children, pregnant women? If that’s the way Usha, Rudekumar want to carry on then, what your terrorist brothers and sisters received in the way of retribution in May 2009 is fair and square. Many Sinhalese would feel the same way about your people as you do feel towards the Sinhala civilians. Now, if you think more Tamil civi;ians (than Sinhala) got slaughtered that is because you people made them dispensable. If you don’t like the result of the end game call it bad luck. Cheers!
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Amarasiri / July 15, 2015
Thamilan
“To me, it only makes life difficult for those Tamils living in Sri Lanka.”
Yes.
They don’t solve Problems. They just expand the problems instead of coming up with livable decent solutions.
LTTE is the Curse of Tamil People, just like the Wahhabis and ISIS are the curse of the Muslim People.
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manivannan / July 16, 2015
how it is solved in South Sudan. east Timor kosovo, Bosnia ect
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Jim softy / July 16, 2015
Thamilan:
Just send some money to TGTE.
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kali / July 16, 2015
Sinkala Thamilan:
By taking the War Criminals to ICC we tell the World that Crime Never pays and that if you commit a Crime of the Magnitude and Proportion of the THUG there is a hefty Punishment.
This wont happen from within. Look at all the Crooks who are given 24 Hour Escort.
To me, it only makes life difficult for those Tamils living in Sri Lanka.
*** It cant be any more difficulty than it already is. They are scraping the bottom. Man how lower can you go.
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Thamilan / July 16, 2015
Kali,
I am a Hindu/Thamilan from the Northern Province of Sri Lanka.
My first question to Usha was as to what will happen after ICC passes judgement on the government of Sri Lanka?
Nothing will happen other than strain further the relationship between the Singhalese and Tamils in Sri Lanka.
It is about time that we forget the past and learn to live together within Mother Lanka. This I what my friends and relations living in Sri Lanka tell me.
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kali / July 16, 2015
Thamilan the Pretender:
What do you say to the Mums and Dads who lost loved ones.
Do I take that you have lost your entire family.
Why don’t write to UN to stop this inquiry and you are prepared to forgive and you speak for the entire Tamil Nation.
Bloody Idiot.
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Yakkadaya / July 17, 2015
Kali
Please shut up and get lost.
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kali / July 17, 2015
Yakkadaya:
Man are you deaf: I am not shouting I am writing.
It looks like you are
DEAF
DUMB
and on top of it
BLIND.
Sad case I think it was the shrapnel. It must have hit in three places.
EYE
EAR
and THROAT ( For this one try Voice Synthesizer) I will ask Stephen Hawkins if he can spare one. Just hold on tight. I mean your sarong. Dont get any ideas.
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Sylvia Haik / July 15, 2015
I have my doubts that the signatories specified that only the final few days of the war merits investigation. The whole duration of the conflict when the most heinous war crimes were committed should be investigated and the perpetrators duly
punished.
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maalumiris / July 15, 2015
Interesting… one million says “Yea”.. Of these, all are living in the West, with (compared to Sri Lanka), a relatively good lifestyle. Probably no ideas of returning to Sri Lanka so they really have no stake in this petition beyond signing it
Potentially, we have 16 million less one (the One being Brian Senewiratne) who will probably say “Nay” – nearly all of who will have to live with the fallout of such an action
In which case Ms. Sri Skandarajah, whose voice should carry the day please ?
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Harry Hatton / July 15, 2015
Usha benefited from free education in sri lanka. she even studied free at a university in sri lanka. She didnt have to pay a cent to a doctor because health service is free in sri lanka.and when terrorism started in sri lanka she seized the opportunity to become a victim and claimed refugee status in Canada , a country easily fooled by the likes of Usha. I am sure she takes all the benefits from the canadian tax payers while giving nothing in return.She still looks and acts like a south indian and does nothing to assimilate with canadian culture. Of what value are things said by such a foul personality ?
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Richard Kaz / July 16, 2015
what a foul response!!
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kali / July 16, 2015
Harry Hatton:
You Liar what rubbish are you talking about. She was born in Sinhala Lanka and her birth right gives her every right to use the services available Free or Not Free.
As you seem to be so ignorant let me give you some hard facts.
The Bloody Free Health Service you are taking about will suit people like you because you come from the Gutter. I have never sought treatment from a Government Hospital in Sri Lanka and man the whole place stinks and the Stench makes you vomit. I have always paid for my treatment unlike you and I am sure from her affluent background she would have paid for the treatment.
” When Terrorism started in Sri Lanka”
*** Let me tell you man Terrorism started in Sri Lanka way back in 1958 when you started butchering Innocent Men Women and Children which continues to this Day.
*** I take it that you are an Expert on Canadian Tax affairs. Ask Sam Chicken. He exploits Tamils in UK and sends all the money he swindles to Sinhala Lanka to kill Tamils.
She still looks and acts like a south indian and does nothing to assimilate with canadian culture. Of what value are things said by such a foul personality ?
*** Man our heart is in Sri Lanka but our Soul is in Tamil Nadu. The air that we breathe comes from Kuttalam, Thanjavur, Madurai, Trichi, Kodaikanal and so on and NOT from Wilpathu.
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Ladanda / July 16, 2015
Kali yaka,
How the hell you know the stench if you have never been to G hospitals??? Typical response of a parasite !!!
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kali / July 17, 2015
Ladanda:
I didnt think that you were that stupid. Man sometimes I had to go past these Hospitals. Are you saying that I should have flown over these Hospitals.
Temple Tree Stinks of ” Antru Sinthia Blood”. Did you know it was once the House Of Horrors where all the Torture and Murder took place. That is why MS has refused to live there although he was part of the Axis of Evil.
Do you want to know anymore. Just ask alright.
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Know All / July 15, 2015
It is interesting to note that more than 58% of the signatures are from India – that tells its own story. As against that the percentage of signatures from Sri Lanka itself is a mere 8.2%. As most people know, collecting signatures is no big deal; just place a petition in some convenient public place and most passers -by when invited to do so, will be only too happy to append their signatures. So, let’s not be fooled by these numbers.
The question of alleged human rights violations during the last phases of the war has been taken up by the UNCHR and the process that is under way should be allowed to follow its proper course. The likes of Usha will of course never be satisfied until they have their pound of flesh. And so they will continue to quote dubious figures, inflated claims and unfounded statements like that attributed to Hilary Clinton.
And, realistically, what good are all these demands of the Tamil Diaspora going to achieve? When are we going to get a move on?
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Ram / July 15, 2015
Chennai is still promoting fissiparous forces in Sri Lanka, while the TNA would have us believe that the LTTE is dead. It isn’t, and the writer is a bigwig within it.
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Native Vedda / July 16, 2015
Ramuuuuuuuuuuu
“while the TNA would have us believe that the LTTE is dead. It isn’t,”
Didn’t the clan assured us LTTE was the thing of the past?
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Richard Kaz / July 16, 2015
Tamils were asked to move on after the 1958, 1977, 1981 and 1983 pogroms and we all know what each of those pogroms led to eventually, the slaughter of thousands of innocent Tamil civilians in 2008/09, all in the name of defeating terrorism. The LTTE terrorist leaders are dead and gone, the SL state terrorists responsible for the slaughter in 2008/09 are living the high life in SL. There is no moving on this time, time to bring the murderers to justice!!
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Dr.Ranasingham Narendran / July 15, 2015
We should collect 250,000 signatures from those living in the Jaffna peninsula, demanding the implementation of the Jaffna River Project and another 100,000 signatures from those living in the Vanni, demanding the Mahaveli waters be diverted to the North. The petitions should be directed to the NPC and the GOSL.
Water is the most vital need of the people living in the peninsula. It is much needed ‘ Divine Nectar’ (amirtham) for the Tamils in the North. It will revolutionise life in the north.
Is any one listening? There is no better time than the coming election season to make this demand.
Dr. Rajasingham Narendran
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Heretic / July 15, 2015
Dr RN,
Thank you for the good ideas.
“Is any one listening?”
I hope that others find our two man movement soon.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Dear RN, Heretic and maalumiris,
The absence of FRESH water is felt by those who LIVE in the North not by the Jokers who LIVE in comfort overseas.
Has the TGTE done anything to ensure Fresh Water in the North? They did Absolutely NOTHING. But they had no problem in financing Prabahkaran’s war because POWER was what they were after.
Did Prabahkaran do anything to maintain and protect the constructions done by the govt to make the River for Jaffna project a reality?
Absolutely NOTHING.
The Thondamanaru Barrage was built in 1953 but fell into disrepair due to the efficiency of the Northern Tamil politicos (11 MPs) and the all Tamil Administration (14 DROs). The GA was some times non Tamil.
It was reconstructed at a cost of 100 million and completed in 2008 by the Govt. Here is a birds eye view of the current status.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@9.812446,80.130509,395m/data=!3m1!1e3
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This made the Vadamarachchi Lagoon a Fresh Water Lake of 80 sq km surface area. It has a 300 sq km catchment and converted a large extent of previously uncultivable Brackish Land into cultivable land.
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The govt. built the Arialai barrage in 1955 to prevent Sea water from getting into the Upparu lagoon. Upparu became a Fresh water lake as a result. This birds eye view shows the current status.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@9.6646222,80.0692823,395m/data=!3m1!1e3
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The conversion of Vadamarachchi and Upparu lagoons to fresh water lakes opened up a further 11,000 acres of previously Saline uncultivable land for cultivation. Thus cultivable land increased from 20,000 acres to 31,000 acres. It also increased the water table and turned brackish wells in to Fresh water wells.
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Again it fell into disrepair due to the efficiency of the all TAMIL Political and Administrative leadership.
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The Tamil leadership frittered away all of this when Sea water entered the fresh water lakes due solely to their neglect.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Mallaiyuran / July 17, 2015
Idiot did forget LTTE protested shutting the Mailaru because your terrorist government had stolen the UN funds to build water facilities in the east? Didn’t they steal the Tsunami money? Is there ny thing escaped of your robbery. Isn’t the countries Chief Justice, Buffoon de Silva accept that he was the master Mind of saving the thieves?
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Off the Cuff / July 22, 2015
Irrelevant & Idiotic Jabber from a rank fool.
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maalumiris / July 15, 2015
I support it.. Now we are three :)
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Kumar R. / July 16, 2015
Rajasingham,
It is difficult not to miss your spontaneous enlightenment on the divine merits of water within the last fortnight or so. However, it also did not fail to help raise concerns if there may not be some hidden “personal” agenda behind this new “public” call of yours.
Just about two months or so ago your sibling [Edited out]
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Heretic / July 16, 2015
Kumar R,
“It is difficult not to miss your spontaneous enlightenment on the divine merits of water within the last fortnight or so. However, it also did not fail to help raise concerns if there may not be some hidden “personal” agenda behind this new “public” call of yours.”
A personal agenda is not hidden and unethical at all when your family needs acceptable drinking water. Water is a human right but not available in Jaffna. Brackish water is a form of silent and slow genocide forgotten by our politicians.
I suffer from brackish water and would very much welcome a solution. Is that unethical?
Dr Rajasingham has written earlier that he uses several methods (R/O, boiling and carbon filter if I remember correctly) to make his water drinkable in his Jaffna house. From this I deduct that his house also has brackish water.
Should all of us in Jaffna who have brackish water reject help because it would help us and not only others? Where is the logic if any?
I assume that you do not know how difficult it is to live in an area with brackish water.
In addition to people brackish water affects animals and agriculture.
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Kumar R. / July 17, 2015
Heretic, Rajasingham,
The skepticism I point out is not whether the water issue is important or not, but rather about the sincerity of Rajasingham sudden adoption of this as his flag-ship issue in the last two weeks or so!
If you have not followed Rajasingham’s past blog-comments and write-ups, and would like a detailed listing of those abysmal advocacies, I will be happy to list the many failed false pretentions of Rajasingham’s past history of advocacies over this same blog, including the cheer-leading in fund raising for MR and Gota, condemnation of the Diaspora, and minimizing the unemployment issues of the North.
Alternatively, as Rajasingham himself noted, I suppose you could easily access them via Google.
“When one chooses to ignore the follies of the past, one is condemned to relive it.” It is in that light that one needs to be vigilant in assessing Rajasingham’s fleeting array of advocacies. Are they truly altruistic, or are they rooted in selfish, hidden agendas, perhaps mere grand-standing for self-assertion, as many of his past advocacies turned out?!
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Heretic / July 17, 2015
Kumar R,
“The skepticism I point out is not whether the water issue is important or not, but rather about the sincerity of Rajasingham sudden adoption of this as his flag-ship issue in the last two weeks or so!”
I am relatively knew on CT. I only started when CT became available without proxies or whatever they are called.
Dr RN has taken up Jaffna water problems some months ago not only very recently. The elections can be used to try to receive publicity for the water problems. This is what Dr RN appears to be doing.
“If you have not followed Rajasingham’s past blog-comments and write-ups, and would like a detailed listing of those abysmal advocacies, I will be happy to list the many failed false pretentions of Rajasingham’s past history of advocacies over this same blog, including the cheer-leading in fund raising for MR and Gota, condemnation of the Diaspora, and minimizing the unemployment issues of the North.”
Please list them if you have the time. I often agree with Dr RN but repeat that I do not know what he has done.
I have never met Dr RN and to my best knowledge he is not my relative.
Speaking of relatives: Dr RN is not responsible for what his siblings do. My ancestors had slaves. Some of my relatives did bad things during the war and others have committed crimes abroad. I am not responsible for what they have done.
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Kumar R. / July 18, 2015
Heretic,
Sure. Here is list of Rajasingham’s past blurts of wisdoms in brief that you possibly missed over the 2009 to 2014 period.
• The ground reality that the Diaspora is unaware of is that Tamils in the North are now happy and walking with a smile, sure of a prosperous future under Mahinda
• Mahinda has completed 75% of what he promised the Tamils. The Tamils should be thankful for the development projects Mahinda and Gota undertook and completed for the benefit of the Tamils
• Diaspora should not pursue or seek any international actions related to Tamil issues or the allegation of war crimes.
• I (Rajasingham) can assure that Mahinda has very honourable intentions where Tamils are concerned.
• (When asked how he was confident on the above, Rajasingham’s response was) As a Veterinary student I have developed the capability to mind-read (implying of course capabilities not available to the lesser mortals) and that is how I can reassure with confidence MR is a very honest politician and will be honorable in his solution to the Tamils
• Diaspora’s should cease direct remittances to families and instead fund the regime, as direct remittances make the Northern youth too rich to seek gainful employment. It is because of the disinclination of Tamil youth (enriched by remittances from abroad) to work that Gota has to bring in labour from the South for the development projects Rajapaksa’s are implementing for the Northern communities
• (A more recent comment illustrative of the absurdity of Rajasingham’s thought process) All Sinhalese too should be made to learn Tamil ….to understand each other …. else forging an overarching Sri Lankan identity will be difficult.
• The recent increase in drugs and related crimes in the North are due to ineffective policing, and one reason is the relatively sparse police personnel in the North (relative to the rest of the country? Really! This not only shows Rajasingham’s gross ignorance on ground reality, but is dangerous as well. Is his thought not helping cover-up if in case there is some truth to the more prevalent view that the promotion of drug culture in the North was a covert, State-aided conspiracy intended to harm the civil society?)
Did he earnestly believe these without any foresight or is he merely grandstanding for public recognition, often foolishly on subjects he has no grasp-of-reality?
Just the hubris of juggling issues in a fleeting manner to draw attention is despicable, including hollow statements without any sincerity such as his recent claim below in this thread “first things first – that is what I have been tell all the time.”
I perhaps should list a couple of empty sanctimonious rhetoric that he has blurted in these columns as well – and despite his own championing them, considers himself beyond his on advise!
• “I am sorry” is such a powerful phrase that everyone should lean to offer when they realize they made mistakes (A whole article on this – but when asked to show remorse for his own follies, such as castigating the Diaspora, Rajasingham would rather be mute!)
• MR should publicly concede the errors of his administration including naming the culprits, and apologize for his leadership mistakes – and then people will generously forgive him. (When asked why Rajasingam himself cannot apologize for his past actions such as, either naively or stupidly, disparaging the Diaspora for not funding Rajapaka brothers, again Rajasingham would rather opt to remain mute)
• Wigneswarn has failed to investigate allegations that the Naval officials are being bribed by drug dealers. (When asked if Rajasingham himself accepted any material gains whatsoever from MR, and if so, under what circumstances, again Rajasingham would prefer silence!)
Hope that is a long enough, yet not exhaustive, list.
Also, isn’t Rajasingham unduly hi-jacking the genocide-investigation blog space and intentionally diverting attention from it, intentionally or otherwise? There are numerous issue that Tamils want addressed – missing persons, return of the displaced, release of unlawfully own lands, greater autonomy in plan implementation and local development, rising drug and crime issue and the seeming state impunity associate with that, justice in general, to name a few. Who decides the priority? Are the Tamils in the North clamoring more for the water issue than for the rest of the issues? Is the Water issue in the back burner only because of the lack of 250,000 signatures? That is what raises my skepticism – is Rajasigham trying to bull-doze with his fleeting, momentary flagship issues, one after the other, merely to gain some (“demagogue”ish) political exposure or is it truly altruistic, even if naïve?!
Heretic, I am surprised at your bringing up the “sibling” issue despite the CT deletin that whole section out. If you had access to what I wrote, you possibly would have a better appreciation that I had not held NR responsible for his sibling’s actions. Rather, I was pointing out the coincidence of this sudden interest in land-related issues by a segment of Diaspora (that includes the sibling) only adds to the suspicions of some coordinated intent.
My experience in the last few weeks is CT is inexplicably sensitive to some concerns I am confident are valid – but CT unquestioningly holds veto power! As such I do not see any point trying to explain that further . Also, this particular thread is now quite stale, and so will keep my comment to merely addressing your direct request, as possibly only two of us would be reading this!
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendranra / July 19, 2015
Kumar R,
Please substantiate what you say, I said, in words that are apparently not mine, with references and links. You are ducking the several requests I have made for proof, while throwing the burden of proof on me . You are also not using inverted commas to indicate that you are quoting me. Further, even the substance of what you accuse me of writing, if quoted out of context, would be meaningless.
You have a right to refute what I say, but exercise that right with facts and civility. We express our hopes, fears, facts and opinions in the media based on our experiences. Our experiences vary according to our exposures. Our understanding will vary according to our intelligence, knowledge, ability to ask questions and the ability to be objective. Being objective is not easy in very polarised circumstances. Our background also defintely matters. My views and opinions will be defintely diffent to those who have been intimately involved with the LTTE either as members or supporters. The same could be said about affiliations to political parties and polticians, both in the North-East and the island at large.
The onus is on you to prove what you accuse me of, including receiving payments or bribes. I cannot take you to court, because I know, you are using one or several pseudonyms on CT. Several others do so too . Prove what you are repeatedly dumping on CT, by providing the citations for what you have listed as quotes. Thus, the relevant references must be right in front of you.
I cannot forget your comments accusing me of plagiarism on the adapted ‘IF’ poem I published in CT. You did not have the courtesy to apologise, even after the Editor indicated that he had edited out my acknowledgement of Rudyard Kipling’s original. I have thus reasons to suspect your motives. I HOPE THE EDITOR OF CT WILL TAKE NOTE.
Further, yes, I introduced the subject of water on this thread because I was convinced that it was more to the North than the petition on genocide that is being circulated and promoted. The war crimes issue is already at the UNHCR and we have to wait for the results. We cannot accelarate the process.
However, URGENT action has to be taken on the specter of water, in both quantity and quality,confronting the North. It is the single most critical issue for the Tamils, which our politicians and the likes of you, have not acknowledged or taken seriously. Considering the attention this thread has received, I was right in publicising the issue in this thread. I will contnue to espouse this cause wherever and whenever I can.
Further, on the policing issue, I am right. There is inadequate policing in the Jaffna peninsula. The armed forces are confined to the camps ( their intelligence wing may be yet around) and their role in maintaining law and order, has not been adequately covered by the police.
The CM was also absolely wrong in the manner he presented the drugs/narcotics issue. He made it a partisan political issue, which it was not.
Dr.RN
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Kumar R. / July 20, 2015
Rajasingham,
Let me first get the easiest one out of the way, and that also serves to establish the logical way to address an accusation.
You say “I cannot forget your comments accusing me of plagiarism on the adapted ‘IF’ poem I published in CT. You did not have the courtesy to apologise, even after the Editor indicated that he had edited out my acknowledgement of Rudyard Kipling’s original.
I have thus reasons to suspect your motives.”
You couldn’t be more wrong. I categorically DENY that accusation – I never accused you on that count. Now that I have DENIED your accusation, I ask you to prove your statement with the appropriate reference.
I can assure you that I did not accuse you – it is possible, although very unlikely, that I may have written in support of someone who accused you. I don’t honestly think that I did that either, but I assure you I did not make that accusation. However, I do have some recollection of that incident, and frankly, whoever who accused you, made that accusation ONLY because CT failed to include the citation – and recognizing their error CT offered the apology as appropriate. Perhaps CT should have apologized to the accuser also for the mislead it caused. However, given my explicit DENIAL of your accusation, I am hoping you will now proceed to provide the citation/reference behind your accusation!
As for my several accusations (the first set of list in my response to Heretic), I am not “throwing the burden of proof” on you as you want to pretend! That is nothing but a clear red-herring on your part!
Let me repeat my position, for possibly the 7th or 8th time — if you explicitly DENY making those statements (disparaging the Diaspora, or reassuring us of you ability to confirm MR’s honesty, etc), then I will be happy to provide you all the references. Why should I provide any proof, unless you explicitly DENY those accusations?
You have three choices. First, if you feel my accusations are false, you can DENY them, and then I will be happy to prove by providing the reference. Second, if you feel that you indeed made those statements, but realize they were in error, you could show remorse (remember the merits of the three word phrase “I am sorry” that you championed). Third, if you feel that I am intentionally misrepresenting your statements or have misunderstood your stands, you could re-publish them and vindicate yourself as another responder suggested to you, and in that process expose me for my ill-intent. You yourself suggested that would be an easy “goggle” task to track those publications of yours down – so why not?
As for the matter on “bribes”, you hopefully recall your very recent comment in these columns alleging that naval officers may be receiving bribes, and you wanted that investigated. Given that you asked for investigation, I am assuming you don’t have proof – rather, based on circumstantial evidence, you are merely alleging that the naval officers may be receiving bribes.
Similarly, I do not have any proof that you took bribe – however that should not necessarily stop allegations, just as much as you chose to allege naval officers were receiving bribes. Of course, you are entitled to know the reasons behind my suspicions that lead to my allegation. It is in that regard that I very specifically asked you very straightforward questions, and repeated them many times over the last four years or so. Had you answered them forthright, that would have helped clear my suspicions that lead to my allegations. Conversely, your reluctance, if not refusal, to answer them only continued to strengthen my suspicions. So, let me again repeat the questions one more time, and see if you can answer them forthright that hopefully would clear up my suspicions, and I will indeed then cease and in fact apologize for my misplaced allegations.
Here are my very simple questions that should not be difficult to answer, to clear the issue of “bribe”:
– Did you accept a free-trip to Sri Lanka at State’s expenses, during which you were given the opportunity to meet with the higher officials, including the President?
– If you did not, then we can stop here, and I will apologize for my misguided allegation.
– If you did accept such a trip, however, can you detail the circumstances that lead to the Sri Lankan state paying the travel expenditures for a private individual such as yourself?
– If the State indeed met your travel expenses, was that not intended as a bribe to help with propaganda purposes.
– Can you think of any other purpose that could be behind such an initiative?
– If you did accept such a free trip, could you tell us your motivation behind accepting such a trip? Did you accept it just because it was free (forgetting for a moment that there is never a “free lunch!”) or did you have other reasons?
As for your hi-jacking the blog space, I feel vindicated in my suspicion that your diversion of the discussion in the thread was indeed intentional!
Further, reading your comment on the “cactus and date plantations” elsewhere in this thread that seem to be your focus, my concerns on your intentions are only further deepened. Is your highlighting of the water issue for the direct benefit of the locals with focus on potable water as many commentators have assumed, or as I had previously suspected, for the benefit of some segment of the Diaspora looking to expand hunting grounds for a quick buck, projecting a “trickle-down” theory to pacify the locals?
On the policing issue, your obvious discontent expressed in the statement “The armed forces are confined to the camps “ is laughable. Are you suggesting that more of the armed men, either army or police, or perhaps both, be mobilized? Does your read of “ground reality” suggest that the people of Jaffna want more of these armed personnel mobilized in their midst?
Given your shortsightedness in almost all issues you have addressed (and taking into consideration your confession “Our understanding will vary according to our intelligence, knowledge, ability”) I agree, it may not be worthwhile trying to explain this further (remember your own “clam” reference?).
However, let me ask you one question that might help throw some light. Do you think all the White van abductions in the center of Colombo, or the killing of many including Lasantha, Fernandopulle and many others resulted from the sparseness of police. Or, take an even easier example of all the massive illegal cut-outs of MR that were placed all over the South during the last elections, with who else but the police themselves kept there to enable the erection of the cut-outs and then to guard them as well!? When there is intentional political interference with nefarious intentions, it is gullible to believe that higher intensity of policing would help contain those crimes. A misguided argument to that effect will only help cover the cruelty of the perpetrators!
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 20, 2015
Kumar R,
Here is the link to your comments on the ‘ If you can, Dear Sir’ piece I published on CT:
https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/if-you-can-dear-sir/
Dr.RN
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Kumar R / July 20, 2015
Rajasingham,
Glad you sent me the reference – and am sure you realized that the accusation of plagiarism came from Vibushana, and you were wrong attributing that to me. I am also glad this gives me the opportunity to cite the two comments that I made in that thread, following Vibushana’s accusation, and CT’s owing up to their error:
Comment 1 by Kumar R.
“ Narendran, If you relaized that CT failed to insert your “apology to RK,” couldn’t you have then promptly sent a comment to that effect? Did you have to wait till you got “outed” by vigilant commentators? Narendran – why we (at least some of us who have followed your past contributions) have difficulty in giving you the benefit of the doubt is because of your own history. You made serious allegations against the Tamil Diaspora and Tamil leaders just as recent as mid-year last year. Now you have realized that your assumptions, praise and support to the Regime were all massive blunders and reality has finally hit-you! On top of that you yourself sanctimoniously proclaimed that the three simplest words “I am sorry” is a magical remedy for reconciliation. I have now asked you more than five times why you do not follow your own “wisdom” and apologize to Diaspora for undeservedly, and ill advisedly accusing them. Why do you disappear every time that question is asked? Doesn’t decency require an objective response, even at some humility, especially of an educated one! Trying hard now to bury the past by projecting to be “holier-than-the-Pope” is not going to help, especially among those who have followed your past writings and recognize your masquerades.”
Comment 2 by Kumar R.
“Not withstanding CT’s correction and not withstanding your “pretense of relief” with the above acknowledgement (remember, you sat back and relished the “excellent” and other platitudes, without as much as a sqeek for more than a day now), I expect your response on my comment above – part of which I repeat here: You made serious allegations against the Tamil Diaspora and Tamil leaders just as recent as mid-year last year. Now you have realized that your assumptions, praise and support to the Regime were all massive blunders and reality has finally hit-you! On top of that you yourself sanctimoniously proclaimed that the three simplest words “I am sorry” is a magical remedy for reconciliation. I have now asked you more than five times why you do not follow your own “wisdom” and apologize to Diaspora for undeservedly, and ill advisedly accusing them. Why do you disappear every time that question is asked? Doesn’t decency require an objective response, even at some humility, especially of an educated one!”
Thought Heretic would be interested to know that your relentless evasion, bogus excuses, and your own history in this blog are behind my prolonged and increasing skepticism in your motives, sincerity, and integrity.
I feel quite vindicated in my accusations of your feigned sanctimonies because of your continued refusal to either DENY the accusations or show remorse for your idiotic proclamations of the past, and your refusal to be forthright even now on the bribe issue!
However, if you think that refusing to be forthright either on the accusations or the allegations that I have made above at Heretic’s request will save you from the embarrassment of being answerable, be my guest!
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Dr,Rajasingham Narendran / July 21, 2015
Kumar R,
Vibhushana used the word first and you and Rajash amplified it and rejoiced. Your comments added spice to the Witch’s brew. Even after the Editor explained, you displayed further perversity with your follow up comments.
Dr.RN
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Kumar R. / July 22, 2015
Rajasingham,
You stated “I cannot forget your comments accusing me of plagiarism.” I did not accuse you of plagiarism. Period. You were wrong.
What I accused you of was seeking vainglory. Let me reiterate the rationale for that accusation.
First, for a whole day after the poem was published, you remained mum as many sent you kudos, obviously unaware that it was not your original. Then, promptly as Vibushana accused you, unknowingly of CT’s error of course, you then felt the need to correct Vibushana. Your undue delay made me suspect a vainglory incentive behind your delay in bringing the issue to CT’s attention.
Now, why did I consider that likelihood? It was entirely based on your own history in these columns, which point also I made very clear in my comment. You had written a whole article in seeming adulation of the merits of the three word phrase “I am sorry” and championing it. But, when the issue came right to your door step – you opted to look away in total indifference. So, wasn’t your article purposeless, aside from its vainglory potential for your ego?!
In my previous response following Heretic’s request, I had asked you in good faith to be candid on both my accusations and in the bribe allegation. Obviously you feel ignoring, sidestepping and smoke-screening will help not having to be forthright and truthful. That only helps erode your credibility even further while strengthening my suspicions of “snake-oil salesmanship”. Some take long to appreciate the wisdom of “only truth will set you free”, and some take very, very long.
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Heretic / July 21, 2015
Kumar R,
The information you have provided is interesting. Thank you.
I wish to repeat that everybody, including Dr RN, should have the right to publish their articles and comment as long as they do not insult others. If and when we disagree we can comment in a civilized manner and hopefully create a dialogue.
You and Dr RN obviously are well educated men and a great asset for CT.
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Kumar R. / July 22, 2015
Heretic,
I agree – yes indeed everyone should have the right to publish their articles and comments. What is doubly important is that it be open to forthright discussion – attempts to obscure truth only adds to the need for increased vigilance.
When there is obstinate refusal to be forthright, then perhaps shaming one towards truth telling may not be meritless.
Just a quick illustration at hand. Was Rajasingham’s need to prioritize the water issue related to the broad based urgent need for potable water as many had seemingly assumed in their comments, or was it the misplaced singular priority for a “cactus and dates” plantation dream that slipped-up inadvertently?
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Off the Cuff / July 22, 2015
Dear Kumar R,
Re your comment “Just a quick illustration at hand. Was Rajasingham’s need to prioritize the water issue related to the broad based urgent need for potable water as many had seemingly assumed in their comments”
The water issue was raised by me on July 13, 2015 at 12:15 pm, under another recent article by Usha when another commentator Dr. C P Thiagarajah, made the following comment.
“If the Sinhalese are kind to the Tamils let them divert Mahavali river to the North or at least up to Jaffna fresh water scheme”
My comment is here https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/chief-minister-wiggie-a-leader-for-all-time/comment-page-2/#comment-1858808
Dr.Rajasingham Narebdran’s reply to my comment on July 14, 2015 at 8:03 am is here
https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/chief-minister-wiggie-a-leader-for-all-time/comment-page-2/#comment-1859246
That is the history behind the water issue discussion.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Kumar R. / July 23, 2015
Dear OTC,
Appreciate your response and thank you for tracking down the evolution of the Water issue. Looking through that, I found something even more interesting!
As you said, you had addressed the Water issue on July 13, 2015 at 12:15 pm in response to a comment.
In the same link, Rajasingham made a comment on July 13, 2015 at 4:35 pm responding to Soma: “They (the Northern Tamils) have suffered enough to remember for centuries. They however, need solutions to the outstanding issues and the post-war problems.” – there was nothing about a single most, urgent water issue in that comment — rather he was drawing attention to on unresolved and post-war issues.
Then Rajasingam notices your comment on water and adds his response on July 14, 2015 at 8:03 am.
Thereafter, suddenly, in the next day or two, in all his comments, the water issue displaces all other post-war or other unresolved issues. It abruptly outpaces everything else and becomes the single most urgent issue, in all his comments traversing across multiple threads and hi-jacking the space and focus of threads such as happened here!
How or why exactly did that water issue (and now we learn it is not the potable water, but in fact aimed at “cactus & dates plantations for unimaginable” prospects and for parks and tourism) suddenly bloat up that suddenly! I wonder how many Tamils are pouring into the streets in Jaffna clamouring for this Rajasingham -ground realities, pleading for the prompt diversion of Mahaveli, leaving in the dust all other issues such as missing persons, genocide, illegal occupation of properties, housing for the displaced, devolution of admin powers, to name a few!
This is why I have serious concerns about Rajasingham’s relentless shuffling of transitory-“urgent” issues in such a fleeting manner, fondly recollecting the comical “urgent need to teach all Sinhalese Tamil for reconciliation” cry of his.
It is indeed possible that he naively believes in the issues that he champions, without having adequate understanding. That will be O.K.
Alternatively, may be he is just fishing with a rather wide net to get his hands on an altruistic-sounding initiative so as to carve his name as the initiator for ego-driven posterity. That is somewhat pathetic, but not dangerous.
It is also possible that he is using this opportune public concern and and is using that to masquerade his private interest, such as his own dreams of “cactus and dates, El Dorado” that happened to slipped up in the discussions! This is the reason why I in fact made a mention of couple of other recent write-ups that coincidently came up on this blog focusing on issues of “Diaspora right to land ownership” and appealing for public support. CT, for some inexplicable reason, edited out my referencing those articles.
My concern is that if indeed this is a coordinated effort to leverage a public issue of interest to domestic house-holds in the North and diverts that under false pretence to service a narrowly focused “rights of land ownership of Diaspora” initiative, and if that was the driving force behind Rajasingham elevating so suddenly the water issue as the mother-of-all urgent issues in a matter of forty-eight hours, then that initiative deserves critical vigilance.
Kind regards to you too!
Kumar R.
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Heretic / July 21, 2015
Kumar R,
“My experience in the last few weeks is CT is inexplicably sensitive to some concerns I am confident are valid – but CT unquestioningly holds veto power! As such I do not see any point trying to explain that further .”
I have twice mailed CT with questions regarding their “Comments Policy” but there has not been any reply. I am slightly bothered by what has been allowed by the editor(s).
Some of my friends have tried to post well mannered comments that are not against the “Comments Policy” but they have been edited out partly or completely or not published at all.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narebdran / July 16, 2015
I own a lagoon in Jaffna, I want it to be brim full of fresh water year round. What I can do with this water is beyond imagination. It will be my El Dorado!
Dr.RN
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Kumar R. / July 17, 2015
Very cute!
Cutness out of desperation – isn’t it?
It is your increasing aptitude for smokes-and-screen “wisdom” that casts the darkest shadow on you!!
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mal or mahuchandran spencer / July 16, 2015
I have not read this article of Ms Usha but MR RN’s response makes me think and feel that the following response of mine to the invitation to attend the annual Prof Elhezer memorial lecture may be relevant to the matters at issue.
[Edited out]
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kali / July 16, 2015
Dr.Ranasingham Narendran
Is anyone listening to the Mums and Dads of those still missing. Have you seen any skeletons.
First things First DR. There is no better time than the coming election season to make this demand.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 16, 2015
First things first! This is what I have been saying all along.
The water, food, livelihood, shelter and health needs of the war-battered living first. The water needs are the most crucial and have become critical. It is the new war we have to fight. It is already at the door step of every Tamil living in the peninsula.
I do not see anyone among the latest crop of our politicians and the messiahs among the Diaspora paying attention to this issue.
The process at the UNHCR is on-going, I hope it will grind on to an end that will be just and will expose the rottenness of the wars we have fought in all their nauseating detail. I hope it will shake up and wake up our national conscience. I hope it will teach us the futility of violence and to be humane and human in our politics. I hope it will make us forgive, accept the inevitable and take up the cause of the victims with passion and meaningful action. I hope that revenge will not be our motive, but to know what happened, how it happened ,who did what and why. The results should make us reconcile and not seed further feud.
One million or ten million signatures, will not make a difference to this process. It will very likely be irrelevant.
However the water issue cannot wait. It has to be taken up and dealt with as urgent one immediately. It will also unite this nation in a common cause that would benefit the whole nation. Let us build something together, to compensate for what we destroyed together.
Dr.RN
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kali / July 16, 2015
DR:
I always had my doubt that you are a Grasshopper and you have now confirmed it beyond reasonable doubt.
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lal / July 16, 2015
Dr RN wants crytal clear water flowing into Northern Province. Good idea. Happy to oblige. Does Usha and the Terrorist Brigade want rivers of blood flowing in and out of Northern Province? If Usha really cares for those supposed civilians she claims to have died, did she demand terrorist VP to surrender? I doubt it. Is defeat that humiliating for her 6 years after the event? Get a life!
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Native Vedda / July 16, 2015
lal loo
“If Usha really cares for those supposed civilians she claims to have died, did she demand terrorist VP to surrender? “
If you really wanted to stop rivers of blood flowing both sides did you demand Premadasa stop arming the psychopath or did you question the wisdom of paying ballot rigging fees to VP?
Anyhow could you now retrieve the gold and cash from Gota that he stole from Vanni and pass it to NPC so that they can invest the assets in useful development projects.
By theway the stolen wealth belongs to the North East people.
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Kumar R. / July 17, 2015
Rajasingham,
What a nonsensical assertion “First things first! This is what I have been saying all along.”
If you go back and look (or perhaps Google as per your own suggestion!) at the garbage that you had written since MR took power you will see that merely included hosannas for the regime’s accomplishments (asserting as ground reality that MR has completed 75% of what he promised to Tamils), berating the Diaspora for not funding the regime directly (advocating that the Diaspora should refrain from direct remittance to families), and supporting Gota’s projects that intentionally kept away Northern youth from participatory developments!
That was your “First thing’s first” history, though you would love to rewrite it now!
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Heretic / July 17, 2015
Dr RN,
http://island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=128389
“The latest report on water samples reveal that the oil and grease content in well water in most parts of Jaffna Peninsula is decreasing, the Central Environmental Authority (CEA) says.”
The CEA results thus HAVE found oil and grease in the ground water and in some parts of Jaffna Peninsula the content is NOT decreasing.
Have the results of the 6-7 “oil and grease” studies that have so far been accomplished ever been published for public scrutiny?
In addition to oil, grease and salt there is a problem with nitrates.
What can be done?
My understanding is that many of the problems that exist in the NP and rest of SL should be solved by the government servants not by the politicians. Problem is that politicians and government servants don’t care.
http://island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=128389
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 17, 2015
Heretic,
Thanks. There is no leadership in the North, to drive the lethargic and self-seeking public service. The civic society , media and the University of Jaffna are not playing the role they should. Unless we elect better quality polticians to the Oadeshya Sabhas, NPC and parliament, this sad situation will continue. When I read the list of names submitted my the TNA in its national list, I was enraged. Do they match Sumanthiran’ s quality St least marginally? Unless, we, the citizens of the North become more demanding and vociferous, it is going to be a difficult trudge.
Dr,RN
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Heretic / July 17, 2015
Dr RN,
“There is no leadership in the North, to drive the lethargic and self-seeking public service.”
I agree with you. At the same time a lot of the work should be done by the government servants and has/should have nothing to do with the politicians. There is regulation (Environmental Acts etc) that the CEA, GA and DSs should enforce without political interference.
Keeping an eye on Chunnakam power plant was/is/should be responsibility of the CEA. Illegal sand mining should be stopped by the relevant DS.
Has the apparently illegal bar/tavern/wine store on Punguthivu been closed?
The laws of course come from the parliament and any Provincial Council can in some cases pass statures to have provincial regulation. Otherwise the role of politicians should be small. Or have I misunderstood it all?
In Colombo the Mayor decided to allow street vendors despite not having any legal power to do so. As far as I know nobody stopped him! The vendors apparently had a petition to allow them to continue their activities that are illegal according the Police Ordinance and other regulation. The correct way would be to amend the existing regulation and this can only be done by MPs.
Our government servants should force our politicians and rest of the population to follow the laws that have been passed. Why do politicians pass laws that nobody follows?
” The civic society , media and the University of Jaffna are not playing the role they should.”
There is not much independent civil society, media or higher education in Jaffna.
“In an interview with the Daily FT, Vithyatharan said that the main challenge for the ex-LTTE cadres was the media mafia, which is controlled and well-organised by the TNA.” (Ex-LTTEers to campaign for lasting solution within a united Sri Lanka)
http://www.ft.lk/article/445511/ft
“Unless we elect better quality polticians to the Oadeshya Sabhas, NPC and parliament, this sad situation will continue. When I read the list of names submitted my the TNA in its national list, I was enraged. Do they match Sumanthiran’ s quality St least marginally? Unless, we, the citizens of the North become more demanding and vociferous, it is going to be a difficult trudge.”
It is too late this time. Nobody matches Sumanthiran but what can one MP do? The less competent are bound to oppose his ideas.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 18, 2015
Dear Heretic,
The public service is not what it was once upon a time. It is polticized, under the jack boot of politicians, corrupted and demoralised. While this is the situation over the whole island, in the North is worse. The prolonged war and alternating army/LTTE rule have made it unresponsive to public needs, they have become master survivors, time servers and self seekers. I have seen how the behave toward the war-affected public after the war. They are the curse of the north and the East. If they do atleast 50 % of what is expected of them, we will be blessed.
They are in nexus with the politicians and the relationship is epiphytic. However, both are parasites feeding on society. They are also in nexus with land thieves, criminal lawyers and filthy politicians.
The print media in the North is the albatross around our collective necks. They are for propagating a pre-determined agenda. The Uthayan in particular, which was an LTTE mouth piece, is now a ITAK/ TNA mouth piece partly and serves the interests of its current owner more. They keep the people chained and cocooned from realities. The Suthanthiran and Eellanadu played similar roles in times gone by.
Dr.RN
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Heretic / July 18, 2015
Dr RN,
“They are in nexus with the politicians and the relationship is epiphytic. However, both are parasites feeding on society. They are also in nexus with land thieves, criminal lawyers and filthy politicians.”
Once again I agree with you. Even the police co-operate to some extent with the Jaffna mafia you describe above. I have no experience of living in other parts of SL but what I find in the media seems to confirm that the situation is similar there. This must be one of the main reasons MS won the election.
Sumanthiran belongs to the ITAK but I still believe that he has not joined the Jaffna mafia. I don’t even know if the Jaffna mafia would want him as a member.
This thread is becoming difficult to follow with so many comments.
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Heretic / July 19, 2015
Dr RN,
Why do your comments and the comments of others sometimes appear without the “reply possibility”? This is some what confusing.
I just read Sunday Times and found more examples of lack of law and order and lethargy. In Meethotamulla municipal garbage continues to literally poison people and ground water. Again the public/government “servants” including the police and CEA should have acted a long time ago. The same is happening with the Northern Water Crises.
http://www.sundaytimes.lk/150719/news/residents-hope-for-miracle-from-candidates-who-talk-rubbish-157401.html
“The accumulating heaps of garbage in Meethotamulla, a major dumping site for the Western Province, has reached a point where people in the vicinity struggle to live a normal life while officials point fingers at each another, more than a decade after the crisis was predicted.”
“Almost all wells in the area are unusable and making matters worse any clothes that are washed and put out to dry have an unpleasant stench,” a lawyer attached to the People’s Movement against the Meethotamulla Garbage Dump, Nuwan Bopage, said.
Another case of a mob storming a police station to liberate their friend is apparently allowed without charges in Kalawama.
“the recent case in Kalawana where supporters of one party stormed the local police station at midnight and forced police to release an individual who had been arrested.The end result was that the Officer-in-Charge of the Kalawana Police Station, along with two other junior officers, was immediately interdicted on a directive from the Police Chief, N.K. Illangakoon, while the midnight raiders were allowed to go free without any charges.”
http://www.sundaytimes.lk/150719/news/its-a-feel-good-election-for-the-moment-police-prepare-to-tackle-posters-157356.html
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 19, 2015
Heretic,
Thanks. Most commentators, some adopting multiple identities through pseudonyms, do not represent the vast majority of readers. Most readers do not comment. Further, many of those commenting have a pre-set agenda and use this forum for propagating their agenda. They also stoop very low, thinking they can drive out or shut up others with contrary views, Very few are open minded. Persons like OTC, Amarasiri, Anpu, Ken Roberts and Native Vedda ( with apologies to those I have failed to mention), research the topics and help us learn and understand. These few are the ones who have made CT popular. CT has also on many occasions failed to enforce its editorial policy, jeopardising its own standing.
We are mostly dealing with clams. They resist being opened. However, we have to persist in our efforts. They in many ways represents what is the norm in this world.
Thanks for being also one amongst the few I have mentioned.
Dr.RN
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Heretic / July 20, 2015
Dr RN,
“Persons like OTC, Amarasiri, Anpu, Ken Roberts and Native Vedda ( with apologies to those I have failed to mention), research the topics and help us learn and understand. These few are the ones who have made CT popular.”
Yes
“CT has also on many occasions failed to enforce its editorial policy, jeopardising its own standing.”
I agree.
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Off the Cuff / July 19, 2015
Dear Heratic,
Re “Why do your comments and the comments of others sometimes appear without the “reply possibility”? This is some what confusing”
It is a quirk of the software CT uses to manage the comments. The software does not expect so many replies at the last nesting.
You can get around it by using the “Reply link” that you see immediately above on the same thread (this may be several comments up).
Here is an example
Mine of July 19, 2015 at 1:51 am has no reply link
The comment immidiately above is by Real Peace of July 18, 2015 at 3:03 pm and it too is without a reply link.
The first available “Reply link” on the thread is that of mine on July 18, 2015 at 2:15 am.
If you click on this reply link your comment will appear in the correct place when it gets published.
Hope I did not confuse you more by trying to explain the software bug and it’s walk around.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Dr,Rajasingham Narendran / July 19, 2015
Heretic,
I seem to have misunderstood your query. OTC has fortunately provided the right answer, However. My response, although based on misunderstanding your question, is yet quite relevant, considering what is unfolding in the CT comment section.
Dr.RN
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Heretic / July 20, 2015
OTC,
Thank you. Must be the software. I will try to follow your advice.
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Taraki / July 15, 2015
Twenty million people and counting, want to know why you haven’t tried to have the war criminal Adele Balasingham arrested.
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Native Vedda / July 15, 2015
Taraki
“Twenty million people and counting, want to know why you haven’t tried to have the war criminal Adele Balasingham arrested.”
Its a good question for which you already know the answer.
Let Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah bring her evidence against the state and you can bring yours against LTTE & Mrs Balasingham.
Don’t forget that
MR paid VP a neat sum as fees for his service to democracy. MR will also be implicated in financing a terrorist group and money laundering.
Whoever supplied arms, funds, and other essentials to a terrorist organisation under Premadasa will have to be charged.
You can appear for the war criminals on both sides.
Why haven’t the state charge high ranking members of LTTE yet? In case you are unaware of their names, here the a brief list:
KP
Karuna
Pillayan
Those former members of Pottu Amman department now thought to be directly working for Gota.
If you want to charge all of them and Mrs Bala I will support you and will be right behind you.
When do we start?
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Taraki / July 16, 2015
You know very well Native Tamil Veddah that taking GOSL to court could take years – it already has. Having Mrs Bala arrested would take hours. Why are you and the diaspora not clamouring for the easy target first?
As for Karuna and Pilayan just direct your memory to the Nazi war criminals saved from trial in 1945 by the USA so that they could work on their rocket program.
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Native Vedda / July 17, 2015
Taraki
“As for Karuna and Pilayan just direct your memory to the Nazi war criminals saved from trial in 1945 by the USA so that they could work on their rocket program.”
There is an alternative to war crime denial. Truth and Reconciliation could work. Being smart ass can only defer the problem but not solve it. For too long the state has enjoyed impunity.
Lessons must be learnt from the past and own up war crimes say sorry and move on.
FYI Latest on Nazi and other war criminals:
Bookkeeper of Auschwitz Oskar Groening, 94, jailed for four years
Richard Hartley-Parkinson for Metro.co.ukWednesday 15 Jul 2015 9:06 am
A former SS officer known as the Bookkeeper of Auschwitz has today been sentenced to four years in prison.
Oskar Groening’s made a final attempt to have himself acquitted yesterday, saying he was very sorry for the time he was stationed at the Nazi death camp where 1.1million people died.
The 94-year-old sat impassively as judge Franz Kompisch said ‘the defendant is found guilty of accessory to murder in 300,000 legally connected cases’ of deported Jews who were sent to the gas chambers in 1944.
‘No one should have taken part in Auschwitz,’ Groening said.
‘I know that. I sincerely regret not having lived up to this realisation earlier and more consistently. I am very sorry,’ he said, his voice wavering.
Some observers did not think he would serve jail time given his advanced age and failing health, which led to several delays in the proceedings.
Groening served as a bookkeeper at Auschwitz, sorting and counting the money taken from those killed or used as slave labour, collecting cash in different European currencies, and shipping it back to his Nazi bosses in Berlin.
He testified in April and again this month that he was so horrified by the crimes he witnessed at the camp after his arrival in 1942 that he appealed three times to his superiors for a transfer to the front, which was not granted until Autumn 1944.
Groening has acknowledged ‘moral guilt’ but said it is up to the court to rule on his legal culpability seven decades after the Holocaust.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/15
89-yr-old Philadelphia man arrested over Nazi war crimes
After his arrest on allegations Johann Breyer served as a Nazi SS guard at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, Germany seek extradition of Pennsylvania pensioner
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
19 Jun 2014
Three suspected former Auschwitz guards arrested in Germany
Home raids across three states result in arrests of men suspected of having participated in murders at death camp
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/20/
germany-auschwitz-guards-arrests-raids
Bangladesh war crimes trial: Key accused
16 June 2015
BBC News profiles the main defendants convicted at the tribunal in Bangladesh investigating war crimes committed during the 1971 war of independence from Pakistan. All have been found guilty – apart from one person – although some are still in the process of appealing to the Supreme Court.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20970123
Why Try Khmer Rouge Leaders Twice?
COMMENTARY from KHMER ROUGE TRIALS at the EXTRAORDINARY CHAMBERS IN THE COURTS OF CAMBODIA
by Heather Ryan
October 17, 2014
Nuon Chea is 88 years old. Khieu Samphan is 84. They are the most senior surviving officials of the Khmer Rouge, the regime that ruled Cambodia from 1975 to 1979 and is responsible for the deaths of up to two million Cambodians. Both men have already been tried, found guilty of crimes against humanity, and sentenced to life imprisonment (those sentences are currently being appealed).
http://www.ijmonitor.org/category/khmer-rouge-trials/
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Taraki / July 17, 2015
A 94 year old book keeper was of no use to the USA. Here are two links to New York Times articles on the US using Nazis. So tell me again what was wrong with GOSL using Pilayan and Karuna?
Declassified Papers Show U.S. Recruited Ex-Nazis
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/us/12holocaust.html?_r=0
In Cold War, U.S. Spy Agencies Used 1,000 Nazis
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/us/in-cold-war-us-spy-agencies-used-1000-nazis.html
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kali / July 16, 2015
Taraki:
We are busy trying to deal with the War Criminal called Mahintha Percy Rajapakse and take him to the HAGUE. What better pleasure to take PM Mahintha ( like President Milosevic) and not an Ordinary Mahintha. What goes round comes round. I cant wait for September to Dawn.
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Heretic / July 15, 2015
Only 32,000 signed in Canada? I have thought that there are 300,000 SL Tamils in Canada mostly in Toronto and Vancouver. Most of them did not sign the petition. Only 10,000 in the USA signed? Only 95,000 in SL?
641,000 in India signed?
Maybe there is something wrong with the marketing of this petition when even members of the Tamil Diaspora haven’t signed it.
Thanks Usha.
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Native Vedda / July 15, 2015
Heretic.
“Maybe there is something wrong with the marketing of this petition when even members of the Tamil Diaspora haven’t signed it.”
See how your picks for the most influential people in the world rated among TIME readers. Though official voting for inclusion on the TIME 100 list has now closed (with Rain as the 2011 readers’ choice), users can continue to vote for their favorites until the final list, selected by our editors, is revealed on Thursday, April 21st
TIME 100 POLL RESULTS
The 2011 TIME 100 Poll Results
RankName
Influential Not Influential Total Votes
1 Rain 492,635 36,983 529,618
2 Jay Chou 274,980 40,683 315,663
3 Susan Boyle 240,759 8,377 249,136
4 Mahinda Rajapaksa 194,483 44,431 238,914
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/
0,28804,2058044_2061021,00.html
Why do you think 15 Million Sinhalese didn’t vote in this poll? It was alleged that most votes were polled from a state department.
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manivannan / July 16, 2015
Still they all can sign petition still september 2015at http://www.tgte-icc.org it only take less than 2 minite to read and sign so every one who feels tamils need international justice please sign.
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alex / July 15, 2015
Good piece Usha. Clearly international momentum is building. Well done.
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / July 15, 2015
Usha must think that international law can be subverted by collecting a bunch of “signatures” :D
And the best part is there’s no vetting whatsoever :D I wonder what the numbers will look like when all the fake and multiple votes are taken out – these numbers are about as reliable as those figures of “40,000”-“1500 billion” We Thamizh keep trotting out.
Are the TGTE “elections” carried out at the same level of excellence, Usha? :D
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Native Vedda / July 15, 2015
Wee Thamihz Senior Journalist Siva Sankaran Sarma Menon
“Are the TGTE “elections” carried out at the same level of excellence, Usha?:D”
I am sure they would take every possible precaution before during and after the elections, the democratic exercise is similar to the one we saw in the presidential election of 2010.
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kali / July 16, 2015
Sinkala Sankaran Sarma:
We are not talking about Diverting “Mahaveli” which stopped flowing years ago. We are talking about the Hearts & Minds of Decent Men and Women who control UN , Not Banki Bloody Moon the Buddhist Monk.
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NIRMALAN / July 15, 2015
Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah
What is your innermost intension? You want Mahinda to be adjudged in The Hague isn’t it?
Why? Why?? Why??? In a war, innocent dying is inevitable. The drone attacks of the west against ISIS terrorists is killing ten times more civilians. Mahinda’s cleansing of LTTE menace was lesser proportion.
You can’t have one justice to Mahinda and another for drone attackers. When I was a LTTE member, I know how many innocent civilians were killed by the state forces and the LTTE.
Even if the matter reaches the ICJ, all the past leaders must be made accountable.
Mahinda is a hero. He gave the much needed space needed by the Tamils and they are peacefully living in Sri Lanka now. Mahinda has become a fluent speaker in Tamil and he is the only man who spoke in Tamil in the UN.
We must encourage Mahinda to do more for the Tamils. He will be elected and my gut feeling is, he will do more for the Tamils. I will influence him when he is elected.
I will keep Pavithra away from him when he is elected. She is a bad influence on him.
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Sellam / July 15, 2015
Hi Usha
I do not know whether to laugh or cry when I read articles of the nature you have written. Is there any purpose in writing such articles? More than a million souls are crying, some are languishing, some are widowed, many have vanished and many have perished. The UN is not going to help them and there is no point in waiting for September. That is the worst part for the affected parties to wait for something to happen and if it doesn’t happen in favour, then they suffer more. Don’t you think the TGTE and GTF is wasting their time , their talents on which they are not going to achieve anything. Why cannot the diaspora, all join together in the name of the Tamils in Sri Lanka. The cannot because they are Tamils.
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srinath gunratne / July 16, 2015
Tamil Brothers
Do not let your kids die for this hate mongers, Use the free education and teach them to become somebody!
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kali / July 16, 2015
srinath gunratne:
Yes Malli I hear you. Can you give me some pocket money to buy some Pan after my Free Education.
Any suggestions as to what I should become.
Rocket Scientist or Rocket Launcher and hit Targets in the South especially Hambanthotta the Birth Place of the fallen King.
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kali / July 16, 2015
Sellam:
The opposite of Sellam is Sani Nai.
I do not know whether to laugh or cry when I read articles of the nature you have written:;
*** The choice is yours you Moron. If I were you I will commit suicide because Pancham is Coming Sinhala Lanka way after September and I am surprised you still haven’t put the Rope round your Neck. Man what are you waiting for go and do it now. There is not enough Pichai Pathiram.
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Dr. Rajasingham Narendran / July 16, 2015
Sani Nai ( Moosala Balla!
Gutter language that should not be used anywhere, more so in a public forum.
Dr. RN
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kali / July 16, 2015
DR
So you are upset. I am not prepared to take lectures from you. You have tolerated worse language from Sinkalams and now you are trying to bite back. It is not going to work.
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kali / July 16, 2015
Dr. RN
Gutter language that should not be used anywhere, more so in a public forum:
*** I always had you down as a bit of a Dodgy Character and you have confirmed it.
Gutter Language:
With the above you sound as if you are Sinkalam trapped in a Tamil body.
Can you expalin to me in Themulu the meaning of
Sellam
and
Sani Nai
and why it is Gutter Language. Is that where you are from Gutter. What do do you know about. “Puraddasi” does it ring the bell about burning Chutti.
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Human Rights Activist / July 16, 2015
The violation of Human Rights in SriLanka is now an established fact.
One day those behind the crimes will face justice and will rot in Prison for life.
Human Rights will always win. This is also a fact not fiction.
This lady is only pointing out facts. Just leave her alone.
Yes LTTE also violated Human Rights and God punished them for that.
Yes the Government of SriLanka and GOTA and the Military also committed CRIMES against
Humanity. They WILL be punished TOO.
Just wait and see. Punishment process has already commenced on the 8th of January this year.
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justice / July 16, 2015
http://www.trial-ch.org/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/LCI/SriLanka/Dias_dossier_en.pdf
Sri Lanka has the general whose 57th division shelled No Fire Zones as Chief of Staff of the army.
Sri Lanka will never face charges in the ICC.
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manivannan / July 16, 2015
THANK YOU USHA FOR PUBLISHING A WONDERFUL ARTICLE ON SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN WHICH WAS DESCRIBED AS A FAILURE BY SRI LANKAN MEDIA AND THE SIGNATURE INCREASED AT THE RATE OF 1500 TO 2000 PER HOUR THAT BROUGHT 1.2 MILLION TWO DAYS BEFORE THE INTENDED DEADLINE TO BE SUBMITTED TO UN HIGH COMMISSIONER OF HUMAN RIGHT SO THE SINHALESE NEGATIVE COMMENTS WILL ENGAGE TAMILS MORE TO GET 10 MILLION BEFORE SEPTEMBER 2015. FELLOW SINHALESE YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS ARE VALUABLE FOR THE CAMPAIGN AS IT MAKE TAMILS UNITED LIKE WHEN EVER MR TURNUP IN LONDON HE ATTRACTED 1000’S OF ANTI MR PROTESTERS IN LONDON. SO KEEP POSTING NEGATIVE COMMENTS !
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / July 16, 2015
Maybe We Thamizh have finally figured out how to create a script :D Although it seems unlikely going by the level of IT illiteracy displayed on that page. Click farm in Tamil Nadu then? :D
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Manicka Vasagar / July 16, 2015
Thank you Usha and to all the one million plus concerned people for standing up to be counted with a united collective voice from all corners of the earth, calling upon the UN High Commissioner to refer Sri Lanka to the ICC, and persuade the UN and members of the Security Council to act decisively on human rights, for justice and accountability in Sri Lanka.
We have all let slip the catch phrase “Never again” and are we, going to allow future regimes and dictators, wherever they maybe, to use state terrorism to wipe out and displace people from their historical homeland.
On behalf of the victims of the Mullivaikkal War, which has resulted in more than 100 000 killed behind closed doors, for their dependents, the 89 000 widows, the 60 000 orphans, the 50 000 families still reused entry into their own homes and lands after the war ended more than six years now,146 000 still un accounted for, for the mothers, the wife’s and children still hoping and praying for the safe return of their loved ones, thank you,
for keeping the flames in our hearts, for truth, justice and accountability, and for our inner peace.
It is now the obligation and responsibility of the International Community to hear us again and deliver justice and peace.
I will be forwarding your article to all Missions in Geneva for their noting and for their consideration and action.
Manicka Vasagar
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
One TGTE Idiot patting the Other TGTE Idiot.
Did the TGTE BRIBE Yasmin Sooka, Marzuki Darusman and Steven Ratner to IGNORE International Law? For they have IGNORED International Law.
I have very clearly pointed this out to you in my comment addressed to you linked below to which you had no answer.
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https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/un-side-event-seeks-referral-of-sri-lanka-to-the-icc-international-prosecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1848782
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Diluk Desinghe / July 16, 2015
Dear Lady,
Your entire basis of argument is completely flawed by your own statistics. Of your so-called 1 million signatures, only 6% are that of Sri Lankans living in Sri Lanka, equating to about 60,000 signatures. The bulk of it is from brainwashed Tamil Nadu.
If the tamils of Sri Lanka are so keen for this matter to be dragged……you will need more that 50% of your signatures coming from here in order for it to have any credibility.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Out of the 3,108,770 Tamil people of Lanka ONLY 2.9% have signed the TGTE petition. This goes down to 1.8% If Muslims are included.
It is not even 2 % of the much hyped “Tamil Speaking” Diluk.
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Rodney / July 16, 2015
Feel sorry for this woman wasting her time and energy to spread venom and doing injustice to the Tamils living in Sri Lanka. She lives in comfort and make the Tamils in Sri Lanka miserable.
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Rodney / July 16, 2015
At laese 70%of the people who have signed this petition wouldn’t know where sri Lanka is.
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MirakRajBanda / July 16, 2015
Usha-Where is the link to the petition against murderous LTTE and his Hitler mentality leader Prabakaran?
I have no doubt the Rajapakse regime committed war crimes and equally killer Praba committed genocide (the trauma still there by the remaining northern Muslims).
Illegal Govt. of Tamil Ealam should also bring before the Hague with Rajapakse Family.
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Patriot / July 16, 2015
Those who want a Tamil Ealam badly are the Indians with 58%. They can live happily in Tamil Nadu for God sake
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Seriously? / July 16, 2015
A poll where most of the votes are from outside Sri Lanka ? How about we have a poll in Sri Lanka whether you should be banned from writing ever again ?
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Pacs / July 16, 2015
This problem will linger for another 200 years. The super powers will use it to control SL. No surprise even if the Asian countries also use the same stick. SL Has been Trapped without escape.
The best think is an honest reconciliation with the Tamils.
There is only one supper power in 20 yrs time there will be 3 mor. all 4 will be equally balanced in Strength. The most strategically important place in the world will be Trincomalee. At this stage thinking of complete destruction of the Tamils is impossible.
Remember Empires are not permanent.
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Richard Kaz / July 16, 2015
Many have asked why the number of signatories from Sri Lanka are so low. People living in SL do not want a white van showing up at their front door. I can understand people who have lost their father, mother, son or daughter to SL state terror not wanting to lose more of their loved ones to state terror. The 90K or so who signed up should be saluted for their bravery.
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Off the Cuff / July 16, 2015
Don’t be IDIOTIC Richard Kaz your attempted coverup excuse is hilarious.
Everyone who signs remains ANONYMOUS.
What do they have to FEAR?
Some other JOKERS have said that the Sixth amendment is preventing the sign up, which is another IDIOTIC excuse, when the signer remains anonymous.
“FEAR” does not come into the picture at all.
The excuses trotted out to explain the 98.1% disfavour of the Tamil Speakers living in Lanka, have crossed the borders of Rationality in to the realm of Lunacy.
How many times did you sign this “Petition”?
How is MULTIPLE signing prevented?
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Richard Kaz / July 17, 2015
Do you know what it is to live as a Tamil in Sri Lanka? Do you know what it is to experience the racist violence, threats of racist violence, racism and the fear of white vans?? If not, I suggest you zip it.
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Off the Cuff / July 18, 2015
Dear Richard Kaz,
Please don’t try to defend your IDIOTIC explanation about why 98.2% of Tamil speakers of Lanka ignored the TGTE appeal by drawing irrelevant Red Herrings.
The Petition signers were ANONYMOUS and they had NOTHING to fear yet Lanka’s Tamil Speakers have REJECTED the call.
Re “Do you know what it is to live as a Tamil in Sri Lanka?”
I LIVE in Sri Lanka and am a Sinhalese. I have Tamil neighbours, friends and colleagues. We frequently visit each other.
There are many Tamil businesses (groceries, jewelers, restaurants etc) and their largest clientele is Sinhalese. There are thousands of Tamils moving about freely in the public space and they don’t drag a Palm frond to announce there presence. All of them wear an upper garment, shoes etc. The men usually sport short hair. The women wear the Thali and jewellery and cover their upper body with elegant jackets or dresses. They even wear flowers as decorations. The restaurants have common facilities for all and no Tamil is refused service. When I take a walk in the evenings I hear music coming from most Tamil homes.
I don’t know where you are from and your name is foreign. I would know more about the Tamils than you can ever know.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Richard Kaz / July 20, 2015
” I would know more about the Tamils than you can ever know.”
And I am the one writing “IDIOTIC” things?? Hilarious!! I suggest you sign-up for clown school.
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Off the Cuff / July 20, 2015
Re “And I am the one writing “IDIOTIC” things?? Hilarious!! ”
Of course you are writing IDIOTIC things otherwise you won’t say an anonymous person on the Internet fears to sign a petition because he is afraid of repercussions.
What repercussions when the person cannot even be traced?
“I suggest you sign-up for clown school”
Ha ha haaa both of us don’t need it for different reasons.
You are already a clown and I don’t plan on being one.
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Pacs / July 16, 2015
At the peak of Indian independent struggle less than 1% of the Indians were involved.
What percentage of Sinlalese were involved during the Ceylon Independent struggle?
Mpre than 90 % Tamils voted for their Autonomy. Learn to be honest and brave.
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Pacs / July 16, 2015
RN
You are telling to beg. All those Tamil died to the alternative to begging.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 16, 2015
Packs,
I want the Tamils in the North to ‘ Demand’ water now. If our demand is not granted, we have to “Beg’ for water soon?
The choice is ours!
Dr.RN
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R. Varathan / July 17, 2015
Prevening the Mahaweli flowing to the North to benefit the highly-productive Jaffna (read Lankan) farmer was a political decision made by men like established anti-Tamils like Gamini D. This ilk, influenced by questionable and highly prejudiced historians like Gamini Irriyagolle, wrongly felt – and infected their followers with the flawed poison – giving water to the Northern Tamil will (a) enable the enterprising Tamils/farmers to be economically ahead of the Sinhala South (b) quicken the process of the North-East becoming Eelam and, thereafter, Tamilnadu – both vulnerable features to the Sinhala physche. JRJ swallowed the pill at once – particularly against such anti-Tamil stalwarts in the Cabinet like Kochi Mathew, Premadasa, Lalith A, Gamini J, Ranil W and others. JR did not want to advance a power struggle that he saw brewing against him already on many other issues.
The Sinhala political and civil leadership knows making additional water available to the North will only ensure cheaper vegetables, paddy, subsidiary food-crops to the entire country. This can pushg the CoL down to benefit the economy. But the venom of anti-Tamil prejudice is far more pronounced and exacerbated by the fear of impending UNHRC verdict against the Rajapakse administration and the delusional fear of
Lankan Tamils joining Tamilnadu against the Sinhalese.
I was in a meeting at the OPA a few years when Arumugam’s paper “A River to Jaffna” was discussed by DLO Mendis and other senior irrigation engineers. At question time, a senior Sinhala Engineer angrily declared “give them bombs – not water” embarrassing my host – who later became President/OPA. We initially need a change in the mind set of the more educated and professional Sinhalese before this important question is finally settled in the greater interest of the entire country.
R. Varathan
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 17, 2015
Varathan,
Thanks for your comment. The accelerated Mahaveli project of JR, avoided bringing the Mahaveli waters to the North, particularly Jaffna. This was unfortunate and the times dictated foolishness.
However, there are many Sinhalese who would support such a project today. Rabid individuals like the one you have mentioned are yet around, on both sides of the communal divide, but they are a minority.
Circumstances dictate that we demand the Jaffna River Project, particularly the three Kilometers connecting canal that remains to be dug , be completed, followed by a system to bring the Mahaveli water to the Irranaimadu tank. Starting immediately, a project must be immediately initiated to direct every drop of excess run off rain water to our lagoons and to deepen the lagoons where required.
The NPC should start projects to beautify the areas around lagoons and provide simple recreational and entertainment facilities to attract locals and tourists. This will create employment. Further, the army camps that have been set up bordering lagoons, have been landscaped beautifully and can provide the model to follow.
Most importantly the lands around the lagoons should also be reclaimed for commercial farming and related agro-industries. Insidentally, I have planted Dragon Fruit cactus in my home garden and they are doing well and fruiting now. I have also planted about 75 date seedlings and they are growing. Time will tell, whether they will bear good fruit and can be incorporated into the northern agricultural mix.
Dr.RN
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Dr Romesh Senewiratne-Alagaratnam / July 21, 2015
Dear Dr RN,
I strongly agree with these proposals. They were talking about the northern diversion of the Mahaveli in my grandfather’s time; it’s about time it was achieved. You have my support.
Romesh
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 22, 2015
Thanks, Dr.Romesh.
Please do what you to promote this cause.
Dr. RN
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 17, 2015
Varathan,
Thanks for your input and reminding us of the politics of the Mahaveli scheme. MR has got most of the Jaffna River Oroject done during and soon after the last war. We have to acknowledge this with gratitude. Only a 3 km canal has to be constructed to connect the Elephant Pass lagoon to the lagoon network in the peninsular. We should request/ demand that the Mahaveli system be connected to the Irranaimadu tank. The Jaffna lagoons need to dredged to deepen them and the lands around then reclaimed. No water from the peninsula should flow into the sea. The overflow of rain water should be directed to the lagoons. The reclaimed lands should be used for commercial agriculture using the latest techniques. Further, new elements have to be introduced into our crop mix. Fresh water farming and development of the lands closer to the edges of the lagoons for recreational activities, will attractive to the local residents and visitors. The army camps abutting lagoons have been beautifully landscaped and they made me realise how Jaffna can be beautified, with the right leadership and vision,
I have tried growing the Dragon Fruit cactus in my home garden. They are bearing fruit now. I have also planted date palm seedlings from various varieties, I brought from Saudi Arabia. I should see the results in about three years.
Water will be the single most vital factor which will determine our success as a community in the peninsula. The Vanni will also benefit from Mahaweli waters. The flow of waters into the North, will compensate for all we have suffered and list over several decades.
Dr.RN
I am sure , in the current circumstances the political establishment will view this project with favour. International assistance too can be easily harnessed.
Dr.RN
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Dr, Rajasingham Narendran / July 17, 2015
The repeat comment was composed, because I had doubts whether the first had gone through. At the time of posting the first, we had some problems with our WiFi connection.
Apologies.
Dr.RN
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R. Varathan / July 17, 2015
Dr. RN
Wiggie, the NPC and the Northern Parliamentary team should place the River to Jaffna Project as National priority. If, as you indicate, MR’s administration has virtually finalised work on the Project, there is no need for any Colombo regime to deny or delay this any longer. Knowing him and his mind as I personally do, I don’t think he will be as supportive in a large project that will go out to enrich the Jaffna Peninsula – a comment I make with sadness. The donor community, I believe, will enthusiastically support the project which will be an important tool if any Sinhala majority in the South is genuinely keen in National Reconciliation and Unity. There can be no greater signal to the Tamils that the Sinhalese want to remake the nation than this. After all let us recall “no water from the land should flow into the sea” is a wise pronouncement of even
King Parakrama Bahu – whether he was Tamil or Sinhalese being
irrelevant. I am sure you are aware Arumugam (Jr) – probably domiciled in Australia currently, tirelessly pursues this goal.
It may be good to connect with him.
I am pleased your passion to be of use to the Tamil areas and the suffering Tamils go well beyond arm-chair rhetoric. Irrespective of your political preferences, varying at different times as alleged, I wish you well in your agricultural and veterinary endeavours. After all, all of us have a right to hold our political views. That they sometimes are subject to change in these fastly changing and unpredictable times is only but natural.
R. Varathan
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 17, 2015
Varathan,
Thanks for the insightful and profound comment, which indicates that you know details of what I had surmised..
Dr.RN
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Off the Cuff / July 17, 2015
Dear Varathan and Dr RN,
What Varathan wrote and I quote below is incorrect.
Though you have put a racial twist to it (perhaps due to ignorance) the decisions are engineering decisions which I hope you will understand after you read my comment (I suspect you have an engineering background).
You wrote “Prevening the Mahaweli flowing to the North to benefit the highly-productive Jaffna (read Lankan) farmer was a political decision made by men like established anti-Tamils like Gamini D”
Unfortunately blaming the Sinhalese for Tamil administrative weaknesses has been the Norm and it still is.
In 1879, Sir. William C. Twynam (GA Jaffna) proposed the convertion of Elephant Pass Lagoon, Vadamarachchi and Upparu lagoons to freshwater reservoirs. But these plans were abandoned after the 1883 floods in Jaffna which would have been catastrophic if Thondamanaru and Upparu had Dams.
However it was a Dutchman, Captain Hendrile van Reede who first saw the potential of Thondamanaru and Upparu and proposed Dykes across Thondamanaru and Upparu about 350 years ago.
In 1920, Horsberg, GA Jaffna, blocked culverts and converted a part of Vadamarachchi to a fresh water lake. It worked for 4 years.
Detailed plans for barrages at Thondamannaru and Ariyalai were drawn by Div Irrigation Engineer Webb, in the 1940s. This was supported by State Councilor Balasingham.
In 1947 work started on the Thondamannaru Barrage and completed in 1953. Vadamarachchi became a fresh water lake. Agricultural water was supplied by Windmill Pumps.
This may be the first Agricultural irrigation project of Independent Sri Lanka and it was in the Tamil majority North.
Vadamarachchi Lake has a surface area of about 30 sq miles and 115 square miles of catchment. For comparison the Land area of the Jaffna Penninsular is 400 sq miles.
The responsibility of maintaining this fell squarely on the shoulders of the Tamil Political Leadership (11 MPs all Tamil) and the Tamil Administration (14 DRO’s all Tamil, GA was P.J.Hudson).
It fell into disrepair for no fault of the Sinhalese but they would be blamed anyway.
In October 2007 the Institution of Engineers (IESL) passed a resolution recommending the quick implementation of the Arumagam Plan. This was handed over to the then President and MR released Rs 100 million to reconstruct the Thondamanaru Barrage.
The barrage was completed in 2008 and put into use. If it was looked after then the Vadamarachchi Lagoon should be a Fresh Water Lake today. From the comments here, I gather it is still brackish.
Keep blaming the Sinhalese without looking inwards at yourselves.
This is the satellite view of the barrage today
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https://www.google.com/maps/@9.812446,80.130509,395m/data=!3m1!1e3
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Arialai barrage was built in 1955. It converted the Upparu Lagoon to a Fresh Water Lake. Upparu has a surface area of about 10 sq miles. Upparu and Vadamarachi combined is 10% of the Land Area of Peninsular Jaffna. The combined catchment area is about half the Peninsular’s Land Area. Hence it will receive the annual 50 inches of rain falling over 200 sq miles (or 128,000 acres).
This birds eye view shows the current status.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@9.6646222,80.0692823,395m/data=!3m1!1e3
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The conversion of Vadamarachchi and Upparu lagoons to fresh water lakes opened up a further 11,000 acres of previously Saline uncultivable land for cultivation. Thus cultivable land increased from 20,000 acres to 31,000 acres.
It also increased the water table and turned brackish wells in to Fresh water wells.
Elepahant Pass Lagoon (EPL) has a surface area of about 30 sq miles and a catchment of 363 sq miles (almost the size of the peninsular). It has two openings to the sea. The west opening is at the Elephant Pass causeway the East opening is at Chundiculam.
Chundiculam was Dammed in the 1950s and the openings in the Elephant Pass causeway were closed. Thus Elephant Pass Lagoon became a Fresh water lake.
This time Floods breached the Chundiculam bund and sea water re-entered. No repairs were made but of course that again is not a fault of the Tamil Administration or that of the multitude of Tamil Engineers because it is the fault of the Sinhalese.
What remained was the Link Canal from EPL to Vadamarachchi and another link canal between Vadamarachchi and Upparu, as there was now more rain water coming in to EPL than it can hold. The EPL to Vadamarachchi canal was 12 meters wide and 4 km in length and included control gates. 80% of this was completed when funds ran out. I am not sure whether the smaller canal from Vadamarachchi to Upparu was done or not.
It is High time that the Tamil people start thinking for them selves instead of gulping down the rhetoric of a power hungry Tamil Political leadership that they were fed with since the 1920s
Kind Regards
OTC
Note.
This comment was prepared using two articles about the Arumugam Plan, co authored by Eng Thiru Arumugam, Eng K. Shanmugarajah and Eng D. L. O. Mendis and another by Eng D. L. O. Mendis
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R. Varathan / July 18, 2015
Thank you OTC for your comments. I am not an Engineer but very close relatives held high positions in the Irrigation and other
connected line Ministries. Naturally, we have discussed some of these matters at length over the years with close friends – Sinhala, Tamil and others.
Without going into the nitty-gritty of what has been done in providing Water to Jaffna during MR’s time, let me take you at your word. The minus factor is matters of this import to National Unity should be given the widest publicity viz:-
“In October 2007 the Institution of Engineers (IESL) passed a resolution recommending the quick implementation of the Arumagam Plan. This was handed over to the then President and MR released Rs 100 million to reconstruct the Thondamanaru Barrage….”
While I hope interested peaceniks like Dr. RN will check and comment on this, let me say there is a distinction between “releasing” funds and the Project actually getting it. Also, if MR released such a large sum, he would have made much song and dance about it ???
If this subject engages the national discourse and the imagination of the South, I am sure something positive will come out of it soon – contributing to an eventual reconciliation process. Just in case, as a matter of interest to you I moved with MR closely although we belonged to different political camps. To some extent I think I know his mind. I have also discussed this matter with DLOM and am pleased he is very much in favour of the project. I believed he tried hard during the time he worked for Jayawickrema Perera and others. Like many, he was disappointed officialdom stalled the issue. By the way, DLOM, I believe held LSSP views. Very much a national-minded citizen.
R. Varathan
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Off the Cuff / July 18, 2015
Dear Varathan,
Besides Eng Mendis two Tamils Eng Thiru Arumugam, Eng K. Shanmugarajah were authors of the papers I used as reference. They have no reason to lie about the 100 million that the project received or about anything else. I am no fan of MR either but truth has to be told as is.
The point to note is that ALL three Lagoons became Fresh Water lakes in the mid 1950s.
Why could it not be maintained when there are so many Tamil engineers from Jaffna and the Political and Administrative machinery were 100% Tamil?
Was water fresh water unimportant?
Everything that I have written is Verifiable Facts and will withstand any inquiry.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 18, 2015
Varathan & OTC,
The old Thondamanaru barrage was frequently damaged / breeched by prawn fishermen, who had the backing of politicians. Both the Thonamanaru and Arialai barrages were damaged during the war and sea water entered the associated lagoon system.
During the last war the armed forces built a bund at the Elephant Pass to prevent sea water entering the lagoon. It was done very quietly and the reasons are not known. However, it is a blessing. After the war ended, both the Thondamanaru and the Arialai barrages were rebuilt and are being maintained. I gathered this information from ‘ Great man’ O.E.D. Mendis at a seminar conducted at the Luxshman Kadirgamar Institute ( 2013?).
Although, I am not aware of the allocations or their quantum, we can assume on the basis of the work done that money was allocated.
Further, the proposed ADB funded project to provide piped-in drinking water and the politics involved,according to Mr. Mending, brought the river project to a halt. Further, Kilinochchi politics let by Anananthasangary and Sri Tharan MP, which ignited serious objections from Kilinochchi farmers, to Irranaimadi water being supplied to Jaffna, without additional water inflows from the South, helped halt the piped-in water project.
I had serious objections to the piped-in water project, because it was costly and would not have improved lagoon water, subterranean water and drinking and irrigation water quality. We would not have been able to also reclaim valuable agricultural land and increase the productivity of other irrigated lands. The greatest concern I had was the well-based system that is fairy extensive in the peninsula would have fallen into disuse and ultimately the related skills lost. The Jaffna Man does not waste water, although he foolishly pollutes it with overuse and misuse of fertilisers and Insecticides.
The calamity was that did not at any stage take up the cause of the Jaffna River Project, It is yet not doing so. The coming General Election is an opportunity to take up this cause and get it endorsed by the people. The right to good quality water is a basic human right that supersedes the other rights we talk of and espouse politically.
Unfortunately, Douglas Devananda, who enjoyed considerable clot with MR, did not also take up this project with the then government.
I blame the Tamil politicians for the present situation, while once again- probably to the dismay of my detractors and critics- thanking and praising the MR government for the giant steps it had taken in this regard.
Dr.RN
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Heretic / July 18, 2015
OTC,
“The point to note is that ALL three Lagoons became Fresh Water lakes in the mid 1950s.”
Thank you for this information. If this was done in the 1950s then it can be done again.
Is there any information on the quality of the water in the fresh water lagoons?
I know that the rain water that is collected in some ponds/tanks often is NOT of acceptable quality to be used as drinking water. It has too much salt by which I mean that the amount of Total Dissolved Solids is too high>300ppm. While this water would not be accepted in many other countries it is better than most of Jaffnas ground water.
How rain water in a pond becomes salty is beyond my knowledge. Can anybody explain?
One solution for drinking water needs is rain water harvesting. The problem is that there is a high initial investment need and the building should have a large roof. This excludes most Jaffna families.
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Off the Cuff / July 21, 2015
Dear Heretic, Dr RN and others who may be interested,
Sorry did not notice your comment till now.
Re “Is there any information on the quality of the water in the fresh water lagoons?”
Initially the water would be salty due to the rain water dissolving the salt. But this will continue to leach in to the ground in the dissolved state. When new rain comes it will dilute the salt content in the lake.
Over a few of these cycles the water in the lake will progressively decrease in salinity.
More importantly, Since the ground salinity will slowly decrease the underground Limestone aquifer will progressively get charged with fresh water and well water will gradually become fresh drinkable water.
Jaffna has about 1000 wells that supply water and about a third of them are saline. These will recover over time as rain water collected in the lakes will wash them out. This same process will happen to agricultural land that is currently saline. Eventually the agricultural land will again be cultivable.
I read what Dr RN said about Thondamanaru barrage and politically connected prawn fishing destroying the barrage. This is a VERY SERIOUS CRIME against the Jaffna population. If no action was taken the people should have been educated to come out en-mass to the streets. Unfortunately they were kept ignorant as a policy. They would have if they knew the repercussions.
I can see that you have a very serious problem with your drinking water. It can be overcome fairly cheaply and easily.
I am posting another comment separately as I need more real estate than this nested comment will give me, to give you more info via a Table.
You can overcome your drinking water problem for ever with a little ingenuity.
Here is the link to my main post regarding drinking water.
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https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/a-million-people-counting-want-sri-lanka-referred-to-the-icc/comment-page-2/#comment-1862232
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Kind Regards,
OTC
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Pacs / July 16, 2015
OK set up an ICC inquiry against LTTE crimes and provide witness protection and keep the witnesses away from SL security forces.
All the sea Transport from Trinco to KKS by SL govt was carried out with Tamil civilian shield. Have an inquiry into using civilian shield during the conflict. Provide witness protection.
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Solution V / July 16, 2015
Any solution needs to meet the consent of the Sinhala majority population. A solution cannot be forced on Sri Lanka from the outside, that is not democracy.
With patient negotiations, a peaceful solution acceptable to all will be found, I beleive it must be found.
“No culture can live if it attempts to be exclusive.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Kettikaran / July 18, 2015
An early solution to the battered country can come only if the majority Sinhala side initiates and leads it. To start with, the Sinhala Buddhist politically active priesthood (the Malwatta, Asgiriya, the Amarapura Mahanayakas, the Sinhala supremacist elements and others connected should find common ground. National unity was shattered largely by them and it follows they should now come forward to mend the broken part. The January 08 verdict was a result of such a new development.
Blaming the Tamils, Tamilnadu, the Diaspora and India are now time-serving devices that take the entire country further down the ditch and bleed us more.
It is now time for rational and statesmanship action to unite the two
feuding factions. Politicians alone cannot be trusted to accomplish this crucial and epoch-making task.
Kettikaran
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Vanguard / July 18, 2015
“An early solution to the battered country can come only if the majority Sinhala side initiates and leads it.”
Indeed. Now are you saying that the Sinhalese do not want a solution? I thought we Sinhalese were an easy going lot. Bit emotional though.
I really think non-binding round table talks should start the process rolling. Just to understand each other at first.
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Native Vedda / July 18, 2015
Vanguard
“Now are you saying that the Sinhalese do not want a solution?”
Sinhala/Buddhists need to have solution to their paranoia and majoritarian mindset than their Sinhalese counter parts.
As you said Sinhalese were an easy going lot however no one knows when or where they would start raging. I am told they rage on a 24/7/52 basis.
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Kettikaran / July 21, 2015
Vanguard,
APCs in the mid-1980s were wrecked by Sinhala extremists. They were round-table talks too. How much success was possible with men like Mathew, Premadasa, Gamini D, Lalith A, Priests Elle Gunawansa and Maddihe Pannaseera Thero, the many “Mudalalis” like Dasa and the then JVP?
A further effort, as you have in mind, is worth it. It may require a series of them to arrive at some form of workable formulae to be accomplished. I believe today’s climate for a consensus by negotiation stands a better chance of success than those half-hearted endeavours of the mid-1980s.
Kettikaran
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Off the Cuff / July 22, 2015
Dear Kettikaran,
Problems crop up when claims are made that cannot be historically validated and physically impossible.
This was Lanka in 1724 AD
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http://www.atlasofmutualheritage.nl/en/Map-Ceylon.5852
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This historical record corroborates the Map
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http://www.atlasofmutualheritage.nl/en/Elephant-Pass.813p#Details
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The TULF Manifesto of July 1977 referring to the Northern and Eastern Provinces say “Exclusively the Homeland of the Tamils”
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Using British Census data and eliminating the Alien Indians, for each Lanka Tamil in the population there are 7 non Tamils.
The Tamil population at anytime before the colonials brought them from India was hopelessly inadequate to populate and defend any contiguous area as large as the combined N and E, against an opposing population seven times it’s size.
This exposes the fraudulent Ludicrous claim of Tamil Habitation of a contiguous area as big as the N and E provinces.
Hence blaming “Mathew, Premadasa, Gamini D, Lalith A, Priests Elle Gunawansa and Maddihe Pannaseera Thero, the many “Mudalalis” like Dasa and the then JVP” will not bring results. You need to look inwards and reassess this homeland claim to make it palatable for the other communities in the Island.
If that is done then an acceptable result would not be far away.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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Mallaiyuran / July 22, 2015
“will not bring results. You need to look inwards and reassess this homeland claim to make it palatable for the other communities in the Island.”
If you are sure it will not bring result why don’t keep you museum piece with you?
Now it is clear for the international community that talking with the Sinhala Intellectual will not bring result.
Nobody interested in a map when the Kandy was a Tamil Kingdom and Kotte was established by Alahakoon. You never had had a real foot hold in Lanaka. From Theiventhiran Munai up to Kankeyan Thurai Tamils ruled lands. Prove will be presented when the start the case. If want to see it, come and see it there my dear friend.
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Off the Cuff / July 22, 2015
I would rather wait for Kettikaran than responding to an IDIOT like Mallaiyuran
His comment is ignored and the Intelligent and open minded reader will know why
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Anpu / July 22, 2015
OTC,
For many of us we do not go before 1948.
But we are just interested to learn the true history of this Island.
What about earlier history? i.e before 1724 AD?
Your main argument is based on “http://www.atlasofmutualheritage.nl/en/Map-Ceylon.5852”
What about other records?
In the comments I made earlier, I have given sufficient information to prove that N&E is Tamils homeland.
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Anpu / July 22, 2015
Sorry for the mistake
“For many of us we do not go before 1948.”
For many of us we do not need to go before 1948.
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Off the Cuff / July 22, 2015
Dear Anpu,
Re “For many of us we do not need to go before 1948”
Then you cannot show any Historical Habitation of an EXCLUSIVE Tamil Homeland and that demand has to be dropped.
How much of the 21 million is that “many of us” represent?
Anpu why are you afraid of looking at AUTHENTIC History?
This island has had Tamil and Sinhala habitation for over 2500 years but the Tamils have been a minority since the evolution of the Sinhalese who also have a Tamil heritage (remember, Sinhalese are not immigrants). The Tamils being outnumbered 5 to 1 by the Sinhalese.
My arguments are based on Verifiable Data. The Eelamists seem to find the Dutch documents unassailable.
Present your own arguments here for which you can take responsibility and answer counter questions, so that all the participants will be aware of it. Then we can discuss in more detail.
Kind Regards
OTC
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Naga / July 22, 2015
It looks like that there is a running battle going between OTC and those opposed to his views (all of whom I believe are Tamils) on Tamil homeland and related issues in these columns.
Both sides have their arguments and counter arguments. Sinhalese claim ownership to the whole island while the Tamils claim historic habitation in the North East of the island based on the argument that Tamil kings were ruling the present contiguous geographical areas of Northern and Eastern provinces (the claim for the East as once ruled by the Jaffna Kings is debatable because there are historic records indicating that the East was ruled by Tamil chieftains owing allegiance to the Kandyan Sinhalese King). This will be a never ending argument and a solution does not lie in proof of either one or the other argument.
The reality today is that North East Sri Lanka is not entirely populated by the Tamils. There are Muslims and Sinhalese living in the North East,and particularly in the East,Muslims and Sinhalese put together may outnumber the Tamils.
Whatever the problems of the Tamil people could have been avoided and easily settled soon after the independence. That was not to be because politicians of both sides made it an issue to win votes and enter Parliament. Both the Sinhalese and Tamil politicians should be blamed for creating a non-existing problem. Before Britishers introduced self-rule measures, there were no problems between Sinhalese and Tamils.
Solbury Constitution that finally led the way for full independence created a system of government that was exploited by the Sinhalese politicians to give advantage to their people to the detriment of the Tamils. Though the Sinhalese and the Tamils lived amicably before the independence, there was a feeling among the Sinhalese, particularly among the educated Sinhalese, that the Tamils had gained an upper hand during the British period. Public service and important professions were dominated by the Tamils from the North who had the added advantage because of their superior English education thanks to the Christian missionary schools. When a Sinhalese man went to the Kachcheri, he found Tamil officers with whom he had to transact business in the Queen’s language. The doctors in the government hospitals, and engineers in the various works departments as well as other professionals like accountants were Tamils. It was this jealousy or discontent that was exploited by opportunistic Sinhalese politicians like JR and Bandaranaike fuelled by the Buddhist monks that led to various anti-Tamil measures. The root of the present Tamil problem could be traced to the opportunistic Sinhalese politicians. They used the sentiments of the Sinhalese to capture the seats of power. In a way there was a sort of competition between the two major Sinhalese parties in trying to win over the Sinhalese on the Tamil issue. One tried to do better than the other. In the face of this competition between the two major Sinhalese parties, the third political force, the leftists, with their policy of parity for the Tamil language and equal opportunities for the Tamils, was simply brushed aside by the Sinhalese. Buddhist monks became yet another formidable force that prevented even the little concessions the Sinhalese leaders like Bandaranaike were prepared to give the Tamils.
To meet these challenges from the Sinhalese, unfortunately, there was no effective Tamil leadership. Lawyers like Ponnambalam and Chelvanayagam , who became the two main Tamil leaders, lived among the Sinhalese in Colombo and they paid only lip service to the rights of Tamils. That too they did only during election times or during their Easter and Christmas court vacations. Once elected to Parliament, they forgot their promises to the Tamils except for indulging in some cheap stunts like black flag demonstrations and other such non-cooperation events. The Sathyagraha campaign started by Chelvanayagam fizzled out when Army troops were brought in to chase away the Tamils who gathered around the kachcheries in the North East.
Disillusioned by the impotence of the Tamil leadership, there evolved the real rebellion of the Tamil youths which culminated in the thirty year war led by the LTTE. It this armed revolt that made the Sinhalese leaders to realize that Tamils should be accommodated. Unfortunately, instead of exploiting this change of attitude among the Sinhalese leaders to achieve a durable solution within a united Sri Lanka, LTTE leader’s intransigence eventually led to the total defeat of this armed revolt which also brought untold misery to the Northern Tamil population.
Now Tamils are seen by the Sinhalese leadership of either side as a defeated people not requiring any special concessions or special treatment. They are not even prepared to improve on the Provincial Council system that JR grudgingly allowed on the insistence of India. Now that TNA ,the major Tamil party, is prepared to become partners in a national government and want to share the Ministerial perks, the call for a settlement of the Tamil issues will gradually die down. There cannot and there won’t be a second armed revolt like the one LTTE carried out for nearly 30 years. The designs of whatever government in power whether it is led by Mahinda or the Maithri-Ranil combine will steadily ensure that there is no historical habitation for the Tamils in the North East. The voice for Tamil homeland will die down. In the long run, North East Tamils will get assimilated like the one time Tamils of Negombo. Already, a sizeable population of Northern Tamils now settled down in Colombo are losing their separate identity. The same will happen to the remaining Tamils in North East Sri Lanka.
North East Tamils, fed up with the rhetoric of TNA and seeing TNA leaders joining in a national government, will soon start joining either of the major Sinhalese national parties. Coming Parliamentary Election results in the North East will see TNA losing its strength and heralding this change.
In a way, such a change may be good for the nation of Sri Lanka. What is required is not a Sinhala nation or a Tamil nation but a secular state of Sri Lanka where people of all religions and races can live as citizens of a proud country with equal rights and liberties.
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Off the Cuff / July 23, 2015
Dear Naga,
I believe you are a Tamil who is making an effort to remain balanced. Yet there are instances where that balance tilts to one side perhaps due to the absence of information.
You need to understand Tamil Society in order to understand Tamil politics.
Tamil society is a fractured society consisting of TWO distinct classes. The Ruling class and the Oppressed class. It is not cohesive as the abundant use of the word “TAMIL” would suggest.
Quote “There had been for centuries a deep division between high caste Vellalas and low caste Tamils, mainly Pallavar, Nalavar and Karaiyar. These last castes were considered `non-Tamils or aboriginal people of a despicably low status” unquote (Pfaffenberger, ‘The Political Construction of Defensive Nationalism’, 1990, p.82)
The Oppressed class is the Tamil majority but the Ruling Class owned all land and all means of production. Hence the Oppressed class was completely depended on the Ruling class for their livelihood. They were social pariahs excluded from daily social life by the Ruling Class.
Quote “In Jaffna in the 1940s and 1950s, for instance, minority [sic] Tamils were forbidden to enter or live near temples; to draw water from the wells of high-caste families; to enter laundries, barbershops, cafes, or taxis, to keep women in seclusion and protect them by enacting domestic rituals; to wear shoes; to sit on bus seats; to register their names properly so that social benefits could be obtained; to attend school; to cover the upper part of the body; to wear gold earrings; if male, to cut their hair; to use umbrellas; to own bicycles or cars; to cremate the dead; or to convert to Christianity or Buddhism” Unquote (W.R. Holmes, Jaffna (Sri Lanka), cited by Gnanapala Welhengama, Nirmala Pillay in The Rise of Tamil Separatism in Sri Lanka: From Communalism to Secession)
The Tamil Oppressed class did not have a political voice. It took 30 years for the first Tamil from the oppressed class to be elected to Parliament. (Sankaran Krishna, Past colonial Insecurities: India. Sri Lanka. and the Question of Nationhood, New Delhi, 2000, p. 91.)
That too after a long struggle for emancipation from centuries of Ruling class domination.
Quote “This practice of caste exclusion gave rise to violent incidents in the 1960s and 1970s directed against high-caste Jaffna Tamils. Trade and industry and jobs in government service remained the monopoly of the upper-caste groups and attempts by the Pallars and Nalavars to improve their position resulted in violence, long drawn out hartal, and in extreme cases, killings by both high-and low-caste Tamils. Any sign of upward mobility by untouchable groups was quickly suppressed and repressive social customs were enforced through intimidation and violence. Vellalas often fielded thugs to punish attempts by Pallars or Nalawars to improve themselves, forcing them to conform to the social stratification. According to Pfaffenberger ‘Minority Tamils who attempted to raise their position would find their communities victimised by Vellalar-organised gangs of thugs, who burnt down properties and poisoned wells” unquote (ibid)
The first sign of a revolt by the oppressed class appeared when the “Forum for Depressed Class Tamil Labourers” was formed in Jaffna in 1927. They commenced an Equality in Seating and Equality in Eating
campaign for school children. At that time even the few children who gained admission to missionary schools had to sit on the ground or a low stool while the children of the Ruling class sat on chairs at a desk.
After two years of agitation the Colonial Govt issued an equal seating directive to all assisted schools. The Ruling class reacted by burning 15 schools that complied with the directive and a large number of houses of the Oppressed class and unleashed violence on the Oppressed class. They stopped en-masse their children from attending schools. Repeated petitions were made to the government by the Ruling class begging to cancel the directive!
The Tamil Ruling Class led by Chelvanayakam negotiated an agreement with the Prime Minister Dudley Senanayake in 1965 to create District Councils. The fact was a precursor to a Government formed by Chelva’s FP and Dudley’s UNP. That govt gazetted the District Councils Bill in 1968.
The “All Ceylon Minority Tamils United Front” requested the Prime Minister to stay the implementation of the legislation until caste discrimination was eradicated from Jaffna, for this would constitute an instrument to further reduce the rights of Minority Tamils.
The “All Ceylon Minority Tamils United Front” was an organisation representing the Oppressed class. They represented over 80% of the total Tamil population of Lanka.
Unfortunately they could not raise the issue in Parliament as ALL Tamil members of parliament were from the Ruling Class. They had no VOICE in parliament.
They asked for and received help from the SLFP, which was in the opposition. The ensuing agitation against the bill forced the PM Dudley, to abrogate the DC Bill (Dudley Chelva Pact) despite the partner in govt, the FP, assuring the PM that cast discrimination would be abolished.
Quote “The concerted opposition of both Sinhalese dominated political parties and oppressed Tamil groups in the Jaffna Peninsula resulted in the abandonment of the District Council Bill in 1968, an event regarded by both the elite of the Ceylon Tamils and its youth league as an act of betrayal by the Sinhalese” Unquote (“The Rise of Tamil Separatism in Sri Lanka: From Communalism to Secession” By Gnanapala Welhengama, Nirmala Pillay)
The Ruling Class Tamils incessantly blame the Sinhalese for the abrogation of the Dudley Chelva Pact in a concerted attempt to hide the FACT that it was abrogated due to OVERWHELMING TAMIL OPPOSITION by the voiceless Tamil majority, the Tamil Oppressed class.
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“In fact, in 1968, Chelvanayakam was confronted by low-caste Tamils challenging him to stand down from his parliamentary seat and contest it again. Other Federalist leaders, S. Nadaraja and A. Amirthalingam (who succeeded Chelvanayakam as leader of the FP, and later the Tamil United Liberation Front (TULF)) also failed to respond to the frustrated youth faction of the low-caste Tamils. By 1968 low-caste Tamils lost almost all faith in the FP to move in a new direction” Unquote (ibid)
Due to the political shock wave caused by the Tamil Oppressed Class opposition to the implementation of the Dudley Chelva pact, Chelvanayakam’s Illankai Tamil Arasu Kachchi (FP), for the FIRST time since it’s formation in 1949, was FORCED to accommodate OPPRESSED CLASS Tamils within the Party, which for 20 years, had none.
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the FP had to pay a price. It was forced to accommodate the disgruntled low caste while continuing to rely on the high-caste, landowning Vellalas who held high government positions. Unquote (ibid)
These overtures failed to pacify the Oppressed Class Tamils whose OPPRESSION by the Ruling class never ceased.
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low-caste Tamils remained dissatisfied and became increasingly militant. Their opposition to both the traditional leadership of the FP and to non-Tamil nationals on the Peninsula was vividly demonstrated in the 1970 general election. The FP suffered the heaviest losses for the first time since the 1956 general election. Both the Chairman of the FP, S.M. Rasamanickain and his deputy leader, E.M.V. Naganathan, were defeated while the leader, Chelvanayakam, barely managed to avoid defeat. Unquote (ibid)
In 1968, the Oppressed class Tamils staged a non violent protest in front of the gates of the Lord Kandasamy (Skanda) Hindu Temple at Maviddapuram demanding that they be allowed to enter the Temple. At that point of time only 17% of Hindu Temples were open to the Oppressed class Tamils. (Nira wickramasinghe in Sri Lanka in the Modern Age)
The Ruling class countered with the formation of the ‘All Ceylon Saiva Practices and Observances Protection Society’.
Quote “Colombo based political parties volunteered to support the All-Ceylon Minority Tamils’ United Front. The SLFP, the main opposition party in parliament, introduced a parliamentary bill in 1968 urging the government to inquire into discriminatory practices perpetrated against low-caste Tamils. It wanted the Prevention of Social Disabilities Act of 1957 to be amended to include oppressive practices and discriminatory customs” Unquote (Pfaffenberger, ‘The Political Construction of Defensive Nationalism’, 1990, p.90 cited by Gnanapala Welhengama, Nirmala Pillay)
After days of tense but peaceful confrontation, the demonstration turned violent as dozens of self styled “Defenders of Saivism,” Hindus of high caste rank (Veḷḷāḷars and their domestic servants, the Kōviyars), beat back the Minority Tamils with iron rods and sand-filled bottles (Bryan Pfaffenberger The Political Construction of Defensive Nationalism)
Information available on OPPRESSED class organisations such as the “Minority Tamils Liberation Front” (formed to counter the Ruling class “Tamil United Liberation Front” (TULF)) or the “All Ceylon Minority Tamils Association” or the Mass movement for the eradication of OPPRESSION and Slavery practiced on the oppressed class by the Ruling Class is scarce.
But the little that is available including first hand narratives of the oppressed, builds a picture of Tamil Society as an INHUMAN SLAVE CAMP where Rape, Arson and Violence was practiced with impunity on the VOICELESS majority Tamil population by a Tamil Ruling class that held them in a Vice Grip.
Thus since Independence the Majority amongst Tamils did not have a Political Voice it was Hijacked by an Oppressive Tamil Ruling Class minority who had no respect for Human Rights whatsoever
From the inception the Tamil Ruling Class did everything to gain territorial power as they had Domination within their society. They were not interested in Sharing with Equality but Domination and inequality.
This is inbuilt in their psyche
Professor Tambia’s analysis is that social upbringing, experience of social dominance; Hinduism and caste supremacy made the Jaffna Tamil feel superior to that of the Sinhalese.
The Tamils, ‘whose experience of social dominance in their own region and whose sense of greater “orthodoxy” and “orthopraxy” in matters of castes and religious observances made it impossible for them to accept a position of subordination in a polity composed of a Sinhalese majority, who by their standards were inferior in their purity of customs, inferior in talent, and had no historical claim to rule or encompass them (The Rise of Tamil Separatism in Sri Lanka: From Communalism to Secession By Gnanapala Welhengama, Nirmala Pillai)
Eelam or a Separate state for Tamils was first mooted by Sir Ponnambalam Arunachelem who formed the FIRST Ethnic based Party in Lanka, the “Ceylon Tamil League” in 1921
He wanted to establish a Tamil Akam (Kingdom) that embraced South India, Tamil Colonies and Lanka. The intent was to make the Sinhalese of Lanka a Minority in their own country by including Lanka within a Greater Tamil Region. Here is the FULL speech (https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/two-nation-claim-by-chief-minister-wigneswaran/comment-page-1/#comment-1784824)
It is through this screen that the cacophony of propaganda should be filtered, in order to arrive at the TRUTH.
The Sinhalese evolved in Lanka and have a Tamil Hindu Heritage as ONE of their parental populations are Tamils from the Indian Subcontinent. The Sinhalese are not IMMIGRANTS but Sons and Daughters of Lanka.
As I stated in my earlier comment problems crop up when claims are made that has neither a historical basis nor a PHYSICAL basis.
The Sinhalese outnumber the Tamils 5 to 1.
Non Tamils outnumber the Tamils 7 to 1.
The population of Lanka PRIOR to the influx of Alien Indian Tamils, brought to the country to be exploited as slave labour by colonials would be in the range of about 250,000 before the arrival of the Portuguese.
The Tamil concentration was in the Jaffna Peninsular. Thus more than half the Tamil population would have lived there.
Claiming that a population of about 35,000 could populate a CONTIGUOUS territory of 4,665,350 Acres (18,880 sq Km) and defend a porous border of about 2000 km against an opposing population seven times their size is LUDICROUS.
This is why the Eelamists are struggling when independent evidence (that were unknown earlier) is produced confirming the different borders of control and habitation that existed in 1724.
This is HARD evidence that accurately shows the areas under Dutch control, the ONLY colonial power in Sri Lanka at the time. The area OUTSIDE Dutch control, the border of which is accurately depicted, was under the control of the only kingdom that existed then.
I am against any exclusive Homeland theory whether it is by the Sinhalese or the Tamils. ALL of Lanka belongs to her Citizens irrespective of ethnicity. There cannot be a Tamil area or a Sinhalese area or a Muslim area. There is plenty of Landless citizens in Lanka of all ethnicities. A govt development project such as Gal Oya is FUNDED by her citizens and any debts incurred are paid by her citizens, mostly by way of indirect taxation which even a beggar pays.
There cannot be any right that supersedes a common right to the benefits of such development. IF such a superseding right is claimed, using ethnicity as the criteria, then it’s prudent to bear in mind that ONE community bears an overwhelmingly large share of indirect Taxation.
I am refraining from commenting on the specifics of your comment because the background I have detailed explains most of it. However I would like to draw your attention to “Assimilation”
Assimilation or integration is a choice of the individual as it does not happen by force. You can see that happening in Singapore with the new generation. The Chinese have changed, the Tamils have changed and even the Tamil language amongst the new generation has changed.
When a child grows up in a different environment than those of its parents the child assimilates into that environment. It happens with the Lankan origin Tamils living world wide. It is a natural phenomenon that is not unique to Lanka. A Sinhala child in a Tamil or Muslim environment will assimilate to the environment and vice versa.
I would appreciate a follow up comment from you.
I delayed posting this comment to see whether Kettikaran or Anpu would respond. I am posting this as they have not responded so far.
Kind Regards,
OTC
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