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After Islamic Fundamentalism?

By Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

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In recent articles I have tried to establish that there is no nexus between Islam and terrorism, or between fundamentalism and terrorism, and I have also written about the widespread Islamophobic campaign to spread prejudice and hatred towards Islam. Each of those articles may seem valid to the reader but he may yet wonder whether, after all, I am not indulging in Islamic apologetics. I seem to be blaming the ills of the Islamic world on Islamophobic outsiders instead of recognizing that there has to be something indigenously wrong with that world to produce such monstrosities as Wahabism and its clones, particularly the Boko Haram and the IS. The truth is that for clarity of presentation I have to limit the number of subjects in each article. What is wrong with the Islamic world is a huge subject that has to be dealt with separately.

What is wrong is partly the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in various forms after 1979 in parts of the Islamic world. More particularly, what is wrong is the violence and terrorism that has gone with it, not everywhere but in some parts only. In earlier articles I have expounded the theory of Emmanuel Todd that the violence and terrorism correspond to a phase in the transition to modernity. There is also much else that is wrong with the Islamic world, such as for instance the recalcitrance to democracy. I cannot deal with all that in this article. Here I will limit myself to a few topics. I will firstly note that the fundamentalist drive could have reached its climacteric and will probably enter into a phase of decline. Thereafter I will make some observations on the impact of Islamic fundamentalism on Sri Lanka and what we might do to counter it.

The spectacular recent beheadings in Saudi Arabia of no less than 47 persons in one day, most of them reportedly Al Qaeda terrorists apart from an eminent non-violent Shia cleric, seems to be a highly significant development. There is more than a touch of hysteria, even of panic, about it. Saudi Arabia, the headquarters of Islamic fundamentalism, seems to be reacting against it, at least in its violent form. What has gone wrong? Western reactionaries used to be enamored of Islamic fundamentalism, first in the form of the Moslem Brotherhood as it was seen as a counterweight to Communism. Thereafter Islamic fundamentalism could be seen as a useful instrument to keep Islamic countries in a backward and therefore manageable condition. But retrospectively it would seem that things took a different turn after the Taliban’s splendid performance in Afghanistan: it saw itself as the power that had destroyed Soviet Communism and destroyed the Soviet Empire.

It is understandable that fundamentalist movements became more powerful and more violent thereafter. We have had Al Qaeda and now we have the much more monstrous Boko Haram and the IS.

The IS is unique because it functions as a state and is beyond the control of Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Islamic world. It is totally impervious to criticism, and proceeds to perpetrate its subhuman horrors with impunity. Most of its funds come from Saudi donations and most of its fighters are from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the two great headquarters of Islamic fundamentalism today. In the context of serious schism within Saudi Arabia there is a prospect of the IS coming to power there. The point I am coming to is this. Islamic fundamentalism has been promoted mainly by Saudi Arabia mainly for the purpose of serving its political objectives. But that promotion has had behind it the backing of Zionists and powerful groups in the US who would want to keep the Islamic world in as backward and degraded a condition as possible for as long as possible so that it will never become a counterweight to the West. But the fundamentalist drive has become seriously counterproductive, and we could therefore expect, on commonsensical grounds, a significant diminution in the potency of that drive.

It is in that perspective that we must examine what looks like a success story of the Wahabi promotional drive of the Saudis, which I hold to be the greatest tragedy that has befallen the Sri Lankan Muslims in a long while. I will mention only one detail in illustration of that success story. I am told that in every mosque across the length and breadth of this island, Friday sermons are used to inveigh against Shi’ism in Sri Lanka’. Apart from the Borahs – who are definitely not being targeted – there have been only a tiny handful of Shias here, admirers of the Iranian Revolution practically all of whom I used to know. So, who is being targeted? I don’t want to go into details that might bore the reader but it is clear that the targets are strictly orthodox Muslims some of whose tenets and practices correspond to those of the Shias. So the Wahabis are spreading schism, which could have a violent potential, among orthodox Muslims here.

There are two reasons – apart from doctrinal ones – why I would regard the spread of the Wahabi version of Islam in Sri Lanka as a great tragedy. One is related to the fact that under modernity – more than under any earlier phase of civilization – achievement has been given a central value. Two and a half centuries of Wahabism has not brought forth any achievement worth speaking about, unless we regard the terrible destruction wrought in the holy places of Islam as mighty achievements. Islam came out of the desert and led to a great and glorious flowering of civilisation. Wahabism came out of the desert and wherever it has gone it has created a desert. The achievement level of Muslims practically all over the world tends to be lower than that of non-Muslims. I don’t want it to become even lower.

The other reason is related to the fact that during the decadent phases of Islamic civilization Muslims tend to withdraw into a shell. They seem to have an in-built ghetto mentality, so much so that it might be said that one of the essential differences between Jews and Muslims is that the Jews were forcibly confined to ghetto for centuries and were glad to get out of it while the Muslims create their own ghetto and are very reluctant to leave it. In Sri Lanka they were leaving their ghetto after 1945 but they started retrogressing into it in the ‘seventies. At present there are Muslims who want to show not only that they are different but that they don’t belong here. The retrogression corresponds to a period when the Middle East started making a significant impact on Sri Lankan lives, and in subsequent decades Wahabism became an important part of that impact. At present the Sinhalese power elite seems to have realized, at long last, the need for some degree of cohesion, for some degree of national integration, in this tragically fragmented country where there are many tribes and no nation. Wahabism, unless we are sensible and vigilant about it, could become a factor standing in the way of national integration.

I have to be brief about the measures that might be taken to counter Wahabism. I have two proposals that should contribute to the process of national integration, proposals on which I will have to expand later. The first is that the Muslims should be persuaded that Buddhism is not idol-worship. In recent times this idea seems to have assumed importance in Muslim consciousness almost certainly because of the spread of Wahabism, the central tenet of which is that nothing should come between man and the transcendental. The point is that when a Buddhist performs an act of worship before a Buddha statue, he is not worshipping a statue made of stone but the transcendental reality that is symbolized by the statue. He is really engaged in prayer which puts him in relation to the transcendental, which is the function of prayer in all religions. The Buddha statue is not an idol, a fetish endowed with supernatural powers. The correct notion about Buddhism should be implanted in the minds of young Muslims who are studying in the madrasahs.

My second proposal is that we Muslims must struggle to establish a form of Islam in which the following verse from the Koran assumes central importance: “Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews, Christians, and Sabaeans, whoever hath faith in God and the last day, and worketh that which is right and good – for them shall be the reward with their Lord; there will come no fear on them; neither shall be they grieved”. It is clear that according to the Koran the adherents of the three monotheisms who lead virtuous lives will go to heaven. What about Hindus and Buddhists? Not only Vedantists but average Hindus also speak of a transcendental God, and Buddhists clearly believe in a transcendental One, not in a multiplicity of Gods. All this is consistent with the fact that the Koran is insistent that the revelation of the one true God was given to the whole of humanity, not just to the Arabs. The version of Islam that I am advocating can be validated on Islamic texts just as much as other versions that are validated on alternative Islamic texts.

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    RE: Izeth Hussain

    After Islamic Fundamentalism?

    Thank you very much for a well written article and identifying the core issues that had to be dealt with. The times are very critical. The Satan, the Devil is on the prowl.

    Amarasiri has Identified, 14 points given below from your article, and each point can be an article by itself. This is a very broad subject area. However, what are the “solutions” to this problem?

    So, Amarasiri has to be selective, in commenting on the points. Amarasiri is in Agreement with the general identification of the Problem, Saudi Arabian Iblis-Satan-Devil Following Wahhabism and its Clones, based on Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab, the Satan infected Fundamentalists, aided and abetted by the Great Satan and the West.

    Muslims need a New New of Reason and Enlightenment. What the Iblis-Wahhabies and their clones are providing is the New Dark ages, so that those who follow them will end up with Iblis, Satan, devil on the Day of Judgement, as per Islamic Theology, in Hell fire along with Iblis, Satan and the Devil. This information need to be widely dissimated to ALL Muslims, and depict Wahhabis as agents of the West.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

    Amarasiri will comment on each point, based on time availability, but most of Amarasiri’s points have been expressed in the article Is Islam Religion of Peace? A Better article would have been Do the Wahhabies and their Clones Follow Iblis, Satan and the Devil?

    1. “The IS is unique because it functions as a state and is beyond the control of Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Islamic world. It is totally impervious to criticism, and proceeds to perpetrate its subhuman horrors with impunity. Most of its funds come from Saudi donations and most of its fighters are from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the two great headquarters of Islamic fundamentalism today.”

    2. “But that promotion has had behind it the backing of Zionists and powerful groups in the US who would want to keep the Islamic world in as backward and degraded a condition as possible for as long as possible so that it will never become a counterweight to the West.”

    3. “But the fundamentalist drive has become seriously counterproductive, and we could therefore expect, on commonsensical grounds, a significant diminution in the potency of that drive.”

    4. “It is in that perspective that we must examine what looks like a success story of the Wahhabi promotional drive of the Saudis, which I hold to be the greatest tragedy that has befallen the Sri Lankan Muslims in a long while. “

    5. “I am told that in every mosque across the length and breadth of this island, Friday sermons are used to inveigh against Shi’ism in Sri Lanka’.”

    6. “I don’t want to go into details that might bore the reader but it is clear that the targets are strictly orthodox Muslims some of whose tenets and practices correspond to those of the Shias. So the Wahabis are spreading schism, which could have a violent potential, among orthodox Muslims here.”

    7. “Two and a half centuries of Wahabism has not brought forth any achievement worth speaking about, unless we regard the terrible destruction wrought in the holy places of Islam as mighty achievements.”

    8. “Wahabism came out of the desert and wherever it has gone it has created a desert. The achievement level of Muslims practically all over the world tends to be lower than that of non-Muslims. I don’t want it to become even lower.”

    9. “The other reason is related to the fact that during the decadent phases of Islamic civilization Muslims tend to withdraw into a shell. They seem to have an in-built ghetto mentality, so much so that it might be said that one of the essential differences between Jews and Muslims is that the Jews were forcibly confined to ghetto for centuries and were glad to get out of it while the Muslims create their own ghetto and are very reluctant to leave it. “

    10. “At present the Sinhalese power elite seems to have realized, at long last, the need for some degree of cohesion, for some degree of national integration, in this tragically fragmented country where there are many tribes and no nation. Wahabism, unless we are sensible and vigilant about it, could become a factor standing in the way of national integration.”

    11. ” I have to be brief about the measures that might be taken to counter Wahabism. I have two proposals that should contribute to the process of national integration, proposals on which I will have to expand later. The first is that the Muslims should be persuaded that Buddhism is not idol-worship.”

    12., “The point is that when a Buddhist performs an act of worship before a Buddha statue, he is not worshipping a statue made of stone but the transcendental reality that is symbolized by the statue. He is really engaged in prayer which puts him in relation to the transcendental, which is the function of prayer in all religions. The Buddha statue is not an idol, a fetish endowed with supernatural powers. The correct notion about Buddhism should be implanted in the minds of young Muslims who are studying in the madrasahs.”

    13. “My second proposal is that we Muslims must struggle to establish a form of Islam in which the following verse from the Koran assumes central importance: “Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews, Christians, and Sabaeans, whoever hath faith in God and the last day, and worketh that which is right and good – for them shall be the reward with their Lord; there will come no fear on them; neither shall be they grieved” “

    14. “What about Hindus and Buddhists? Not only Vedantists but average Hindus also speak of a transcendental God, and Buddhists clearly believe in a transcendental One, not in a multiplicity of Gods. All this is consistent with the fact that the Koran is insistent that the revelation of the one true God was given to the whole of humanity, not just to the Arabs. The version of Islam that I am advocating can be validated on Islamic texts just as much as other versions that are validated on alternative Islamic texts.”

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      There has been incessant attacks on Sheik Muhammad Abdul Wahab day in and day out on CT. This has been done by persons ascribed as “intellects”, who base their judgement on hearsay or by reference to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not always objective in its articles. What you read in Wikipedia is often controlled by a small group of biased (or even malicious) editors. To give the other side of the story I have gleaned an article on Sheik Wahab from the Islam Daily which appeared some time ago. I hope the reader will realize that, although attempts have been made to link ISIS, AL-Qaeeda to Sheik Wahab’s teachings, nothing is further from the truth. This is akin to attributing the christian atrocities during the Spanish Inquisition to the teachings of Jesus or more recently to the mad rantings of that BBS Buddhist monk to the Lord Buddha.

      Reading IH’s latest attempt at judging what Islam should be, I am reminded of the following verses in Chapter 68 of the Surah entitled “The Pen”

      36: what is the matter with you? How judge you?
      37: Or have you a Book through which you learn
      38: That you shall have all that you choose?
      39: Or have you a covenant on oath from Us, reaching to the Day of Resurrection that yours will be what you judge?

      What Is Wahabism?

      A Brief Introduction to the Islamic Reformist Movement of Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab

      [Edited out]

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        J.Deane – I am aware that some claim that what Wahab preached was one thing and Wahabism is quite another.I am also aware that some others claim that Wahabism is a logical development of what Wahab preached. The question can be resolved only by citing chapter and verse and rational argument.Can you or someone else do that?
        You quote from the Koran: “Or have you a Book through which you learn?”. I have indeed. It’s called the Koran. I provided a quotation from it. What have you got to say about that quotation? – IH

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          J.Deane – I am aware that some claim that what Wahab preached was one thing and Wahabism is quite another.I am also aware that some others claim that Wahabism is a logical development of what Wahab preached. The question can be resolved only by citing chapter and verse and rational argument.Can you or someone else do that?
          I tried to do exactly that but CT moderators edited it out. I cannot fathom how CT discerns what is in keeping with their comments policy and what is not. The only reason I feel is that it was lengthy but I couldn’t find any length limitations in their comments policy. Perhaps they couldn’t connect its relevance.
          You requested my views on your Quranic quotation. I admit I lack scholarship to express my personal opinion. However I quote from The classical work of Ibn Kathir, universally accepted as one of the best exponents of Quranic exegesis.
          Quote…
          Allah says;

          Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians (Sabi’in), whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

          After Allah described the condition – and punishment – of those who defy His commands, fall into His prohibitions and transgress set limits by committing prohibited acts, He stated that the earlier nations who were righteous and obedient received the rewards for their good deeds. This shall be the case, until the Day of Judgment. Therefore, whoever follows the unlettered Messenger and Prophet shall acquire eternal happiness and shall neither fear from what will happen in the future nor become sad for what has been lost in the past.
          Similarly, Allah said,

          No doubt! Verily, the Awliya of Allah, no fear shall come upon them nor shall they grieve. (10:62)

          The angels will proclaim to the dying believers, as mentioned,

          Verily, those who say: “Our Lord is Allah (alone),” and then they stand firm, on them the angels will descend (at the time of their death) (saying): “Fear not, nor grieve! But receive the glad tidings of Paradise which you have been promised!” (41:30)

          The Meaning of Mu’min, or Believer
          Ali bin Abi Talhah narrated from Ibn Abbas, about (Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day) that Allah revealed the following Ayah afterwards,


          And whoever seeks religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. (3:85).

          This statement by Ibn Abbas indicates that Allah does not accept any deed or work from anyone, unless it conforms to the Law of Muhammad that is, after Allah sent Muhammad. Before that, every person who followed the guidance of his own Prophet was on the correct path, following the correct guidance and was saved.
          …UnQuote

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            J. Deane – thanks for your courteous reply.The quotation about Jews, Christians and Sabeans going to heaven if they lead good lives is in the present tense. It doesn’t say that it applies only to pre-Islamic times.On the other hand, the other verse you quote says something quite different.We have to acknowledge that the Koran has contradictory texts.That fact led to the last sentence of my article. – IH

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              The quotation about Jews, Christians and Sabeans going to heaven if they lead good lives is in the present tense. It doesn’t say that it applies only to pre-Islamic times.On the other hand, the other verse you quote says something quite different.We have to acknowledge that the Koran has contradictory texts.That fact led to the last sentence of my article. – IH
              Before we rush to pass judgement re-contradictions in the Quran, should we not refer to those who are knowledgeable in the etymology of the Classical Quranic Arabic and the exegesis of the Quran. As I mentioned the two verses were revealed at different periods of time. Hence till the abrogating verse was revealed I find no contradiction in using the present tense to the abrogated verse.

              Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions 4:82

              So what is the matter with those who disbelieve that they hasten to listen from you (O Muhammad SAW) in order to belie you and to mock at you, and at Allah’s Book (this Quran) 70:36


              Just to reassure and convince you of the divine origin of the Quran and its infallibity I am attaching video references. The third is highly mathematical and requires a knowledge of Astronomy for proper appreciation.

              http://youtu.be/ZzTXNjGbavk
              http://youtu.be/b7niqIpN4JA.
              http://youtu.be/HONF5YsqdUs

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                J.Deane – thanks very much for your courteous reply.We Muslims must bear in mind that today Islam is under serious scrutiny by the non-Islamic world because of the horrors committed by the Wahabi clones.We cannot respond to that scrutiny by Islamic apologetics and anathematizing those who raise awkward questions. You are aware of course that there has been much controversy over abrogation for ten centuries and more.My problem is that abrogation leads to an awkward question that I cannot meet.Abrogation postulates a God who keeps changing his mind. The contextual approach therefore makes better sense to me.Some verses of the Koran have to be explained in terms of their context and are time specific while others have an eternal validity.The verse we are discussing has an eternal validity according to many Muslims, including Ameer Ali of the late nineteenth century reformist movement in his book The Spirit of Islam. That verse will lead to a universalist Islam that will make Islam more acceptable to the modern mind than any other of the world religions.- IH

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        J.Deane,

        Regarding questions about Muhammad Abdul Wahab, Amarasiri ssked, you have not yet answered satisfactorily. May be, if you have satisfactory answers to Amarasiri’s questions and comments, you may even turn Amarasiri into a Wahhabi. For that to happens, however, convincing reasons and data are needed, which you or anybody else since Ibn Taymiah or Muhammad Abdul Wahab has provided.

        There were Several that was Posted on Is Islam, a Religion of Peace? by Amarasiri.

        https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/is-islam-a-religion-of-peace/

        Amarasiri
        January 14, 2016 at 4:44 am

        If you do not have the answers, can you please ask the higher up big shots, the Wahhabi, Salafi, Tauhidi Ulema and Imams, so that you may answer the queries correctly? Send it to Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, where there are 25% Wahhabis, if that is what it takes, to get the answers.

        Amarasiri’s Comment of January 14, 2016 at 4:44 am is Given Below.

        J.Deane,

        Thanks for the reply, and Thanks for the Verses.

        “Islam as I know can be explicitly understood in the following verses.”

        Amarasiri’s question was: “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach?. Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan.Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews and other people.”

        1. “And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge.(Al An’am 6:108)”

        When Amarasiri Referred to Iblis and Satan, they were Not invoked. They were Refereed to as those who mislead those believers and Iblis is referred 25 times in the Quran, as the misleader. Wahhabis and their clones are misled by Iblis, and as a result they persecute and kill the other believers by calling them non-Muslims and Apostates.

        This was originally started by Ibn Taymiah, around 1,200 CE ( Approx 600 AH), and he was misled by Iblis, Satan, Shaitan. He also wanted other Muslims killed.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Taymiyyah

        “He is renowned for his fatwa issued against the Mongol rulers declaring jihad by Muslims against them compulsory, on the grounds that they did not follow Sharia and as such were not Muslim, their claims to have converted to Islam notwithstanding.

        His teachings had a profound influence on Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, and other later Wahabi scholars.”

        2. “He admonished you that you may take heed. (Al Quran 16:91)”.

        Wahhabis and their Clones do not need to the above verse,. Why? Because they heed to Iblis, Satan, Shaitan.

        3. “Then reward of goodness is nothing but goodness. (Al Quran 55:61)’

        This is not what the Wahhabis and their Clones are practicing. Therefore, they cannot be following Allah. They must be following Iblis, Satan, Shaitan.

        4. “But none is granted it save those who are steadfast; and none is granted it save those who possess a large share of good. (Al Quran 41:35-36)”

        The Wahaabis and their clones, did kill those faithful who were steadfast. Therefore, the Wahhabies and their Comes must be followingIblis, Satan, Shaitan.

        5. “Surely, Allah loves not the proud and the boastful. (Al Quran 4:37)”

        It is Wahhabies and their Clones who are boastful and kill the other faithful, calling them Apostates, the Trick of Iblis. Clearly, the Wahhabies are followers of Iblis, Satan, Saitan.

        6. “I entered this discussion only to highlight the falsehood that is being spread about Sheik Muhammed bin Abdul Wahab, of whom the greatest scholars of Islam ( i.e. Those who have spent a lifetime living with other scholars of equal or greater standing) have praised for guiding the Muslims of his time and the future generations, away from Shirk (like grave worshipping and other deviant practices that were inimical to the pristine religion conveyed by the Noble Prophet.)’

        The Sheik Wahhab and his followers are follower of Iblis, Satan, Shaitan. They killed over 2,000 faithful in Karbala, Iraq, by calling them Apostates and Kafir. A Muslim can never call another Muslim Kafir. It is between him and God. This was recognized by the Ottoman Calif, and the Iblis Following Wahhabi Saudi was captured and executed.

        Ottoman–Wahhabi War
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Wahhabi_War

        In 1802 the Wahhabi sack of Karbala resulted in 5000 deaths and the plundering of the Imam Husayn Shrine and, by 1805, the Wahhabis controlled Mecca and Medina.

        7. “We should refrain from involvement in senseless arguments in which the sole purpose is to put down others and to show superiority: Aimless arguments are signs of misguidance.”

        Yes. This is what the Wahhabis and their Clones are doing precisely, because they follow Iblis, Satan, Shaitan.

        8. “The prophet (S.A.W.) said in a hadith reported by Imam At-Tirmithi, “The people whom I hate the most and who are the farthest from me on the Day of Judgment are those who talk uselessly, and those who put down others, and those who show off when they talk.”

        This is precisely what the Wahhabis and their clones ate doing, Hate Others, who are non-Wahhabi.

        So, who is guiding the Wahhabis? The Iblis, Satan, Shaitan. This is what Wahhabis and their clones do;

        “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach?. Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan.Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi M<Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews abs other people."

        "Did the Mecca Quran and the Medina Quran call for the killing of believers and non-believers, if they did not become Wahhabis?"

        Amarasiri's Question above is the same. Yes_____ or No_______

        Was this a Wahhabi, Iblis Innovation? Yes_____ or No_______

        "Based on the above injunctions I will desist any further involvement in this thread. "

        Don't you want the Work, and the Faithful to know the Truth about any connection between Wahhabism and its Clones and Iblis, Satan, Sahitan? Was it an Iblis, Satanic injunction? Remember ALL Wahhabies and Their Clines, Salafis Tauheedsis, Najadis, Deobandis, ISIS, ISIL, Taliban. Boko Haram Etyc. will end up in Hell Fire.

        GIVE UP YOUR WAHHABISM NOW. THE SAUDI PETRO-DOLLARS OR THE GREAT SATAN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE YOU IN HELLFIRE!

        The Iblis, Satan, Devil simply wants human company on the Day of Judgement, because Allah (Subhana wa Ta Alla) had already punished Iblis, Satan, Devil.

        References:

        Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it. Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity's inferiority, and justify his act of defiance. For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called "Shaytan" (Satan).

        He said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."

        (Allah) said: "Be thou among those who have respite."

        He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:
        "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."

        (Allah) said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.
        — Quran sura 7 (Al-Aʻraf), ayah 14-18[17]

        Although God grants the request, he also warns Satan that he would have no authority over his ‘ibād or "servants".

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          J.Deane,

          CORRECTIONS:TYPOS

          Regarding questions about Muhammad Abdul Wahab, Amarasiri ssked, you have not yet answered satisfactorily. May be, if you have satisfactory answers to Amarasiri’s questions and comments, you may even turn Amarasiri into a Wahhabi. For that to happens, however, convincing reasons and data are needed, which you or anybody else since Ibn Taymiah or Muhammad Abdul Wahab has provided.

          CORRECTED:TYPOS

          Regarding questions about Muhammad Abdul Wahab, Amarasiri asked, you have not yet answered satisfactorily. May be, if you have satisfactory answers to Amarasiri’s questions and comments, you may even turn Amarasiri into a Wahhabi. For that to happen, however, convincing reasons and data are needed, which you or anybody else since Ibn Taymiah or Muhammad Abdul Wahab has NOT provided.

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          Amarasiri I am not interested in winning a oneupmanship battle with you or anyone else. Yes it is possible being human, that Sheik Muhammed or Sheik Ibn Taymiyyah may have made strategic mistakes in warfare. That is not my concern. It is about their knowledge of Islam that I am interested in. I could not find any variance in their exposition of the teachings of the Qur’an or for that matter in their ‘Aqeeda’, the principles of their belief.

          I am reminded of a true story I read. There was an Imam who incessantly berated Sheik Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahab, derogatorily, in his Friday sermons. One day a student gave him a book without the title cover ( I believe it was KITABUL THAWHEED) and asked him for his opinion. After studying the book, he answered that this is a wonderful book. This is what Islam is about. The student then gave him the cover of the book. To his horror he learnt that he had been vilifying Sheik Muhammad all these years without taking the trouble to study his books. Ever since he publicly apologized and repeatedly asked Allah’s forgiveness for his lapse.
          There are areas we agree on:
          1. ISIS, Al-Qaeeda and their off-shoots are all evil. They do not reflect true Islam. We must all condemn them and expose them to the authorities even if they belong to one’s family without any reservations.
          2. The US, Israel, Norway have their interests in creating discord and confusion in Muslim Countries and even Muslim minority countries.

          Areas we disagree on :
          1. That the interpretation of the Qur’an must be left to the learned scholars who have a thorough knowledge of the etymology of the Qur’anic Arabic. Also this must be in consonance with the understanding of the pious predecessors in their meanings and the context of their revelation. Wikipedia as a reference falls far short for reasons I have adduced.
          2. Condemning the two Sheiks without having read their books to judge them.

          You state

          I quote. …
          “GIVE UP YOUR WAHHABISM NOW. THE SAUDI PETRO-DOLLARS OR THE GREAT SATAN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE YOU IN HELLFIRE! ” unquote

          Amarasiri my sincere advice to you is to give up this conjecture and speculation and improve the quality of your contribution by presenting facts if you possess them. Confining your research to Wikipedia and what Tom, Dick and Harry says and whimsical conjecture does not do justice to your prowess.

          Finally I am not interested in your or anybody’s conversion. As the Qur’an says

          There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clearly from Error. 2:256

          To you your religion and to me mine.109:06

          As per the authentic hadith reported by Imam At-Tirmithi, “A people did not get misguided after Allah had guided them, but they were aimlessly argumentative.” Stay away from arguments even if the truth is on your side, so that you can end a pointless argument.

          I aim to do that

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            J.Deane

            Thank you very much, for replying to Amarasiri’s questions, as these questions are not common to Amarasiri alone, but have been asked for ages.
            May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) guide you to answer Amarasiri’s questions so that all Humankind can know them.

            1. Amarasiri does have the book you refer to, KITAB AT-TAWHEED, by Muhammad ibn ‘Abdul-Wahab’ , with a commentary compiled and translated by Sameh Strauch, ISBN, 978-603-501-078-8.

            Amarasiri understands the Tawheed Argument Ideology. However, Amarasiri is at a loss to understand from where Abdul Wahab and his followers got the directions to rename Muslims Kafir and KILL THEM, as Abdul Wahab and his followers had done, to Allah (Swta) creatures.

            2. Amrasiri also have The Quranic Translations by Yusuf Ali, Muhammed Asad, Mushin Kahn & Al-Hillali and others. In addition, Amarasiri has Sahih Al-Bukhari, Hadith, and have now access to the other Hadith thanks to the internet.

            3. In addition, Amarasiri have, MUHAMMAD, A Biography by Karen Armstrong and Destiny Disrupted, by Tamin Ansari.

            4. Amarasiri also have Al-Ghazali, The Incoharence of the Philosophers, Avertos ( ) Tahafut Al-Tahafut, The Incoherence of the Incoharence, and the House of Wisdom by Jonathan Lyons.

            5. Amarasiri agrees, this list is not complete, but a sampling, as Amarasiri is not in this field, but it was sheer curiosity to understand things that Amarasiri is looking for answers from those who claim to have answers, and have the right to redefine and rename their fellow man and then KILL THEM, when there is disagreement, as is being done by the Wahhabis and their clones, aided and abetted by Saudi Arabia.

            There is a saying in Sinhala: “Koheda Yanne, Malle Pol”, “Where are you going, Coconuts in the Sack”

            Can you please be very specific and answer my original question, and point out in the Quran, Hadith or Elsewhere the following, and satisfy my curiosity, and others curiosity.

            Amarasiri’s question was:

            Q. “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach?. Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan.Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews and other people.”

            What is your specific answer? Amarasiri could not find an answer in the Quran.

            May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) guide you to answer Amarasiri’s questions so that all Humankind can know them.

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            J.Deane

            Are the Wahhabis a Re-incarnation of the Mongols to destroy the Muslims as per instructions from Iblis, Satan, Shaitan?

            Genghis Khan vs The Muslim – Shaykh Zahir Mahmood – History

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7pKDlIAHbg

            Genghis Khan, the ruler of the Mongol empire had sought to open diplomatic and trade links with Ala ad-Din Muhammad, Shah of the neighbouring Khwarezmid empire (modern day Iraq/Iran) in the 13th century.

            However, after the offer was rejected and a Mongol diplomat beheaded, Khan reacted furiously, sending in an estimated 200,000 warriors and utterly destroying the empire.

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              Amarasiri/ J.Deane – Bravo Amarasiri for all that you are doing to save Sri Lanka from the Yanko-Zionist-petroIslam that goes under the name of Wahabism.I am deeply grateful.
              J.Deane – I am deeply shocked by your unIslanmic behavior. Instead of answering Amarasiri’s precise questions, you dismiss them with insulting ad hominem remarks about being aimlessly argumentative and so on. At least answer one of his questions.Is it or is it not true that the famous Book of Unity enjoins Wahabis to brand non-Wahabis as non-Muslims and kill them? Such questions will never go away. As a Muslim, you must answer them. – IH

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                IH please read my reply to Amarasiri again. It was Amarasiri, if at all who alluded ad hominem that I was in the pay of Wahabi clones.
                I quoted the Hadith instructing Muslims not to be aimlessly argumentative as a reminder to myself. This is what I wrote in conclusion
                quote…
                As per the authentic hadith reported by Imam At-Tirmithi, “A people did not get misguided after Allah had guided them, but they were aimlessly argumentative.” Stay away from arguments even if the truth is on your side, so that you can end a pointless argument. I aim to do that.
                With respect to the queries of Amarasiri, I fear I will breach the above Prophetic commands if I participate in it as this will turn into a veritable Chicken or the egg imbroglio.
                Unquote

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                  Unquote should follow after ” I aim to do that. “

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      Czech leader says Muslims ‘impossible to integrate’ in Europe

      https://uk.news.yahoo.com/czech-leader-says-muslims-impossible-integrate-europe-152159436.html?nhp=1

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        Rajash

        “Czech leader says Muslims ‘impossible to integrate’ in Europe “

        In Tamil!

        So, What happened to Muslims over the past 50 years? Wahhabism and its clones? Satan-Following “Muslims” called Wahhabies and its clones?

        How as Islam, 1,400 years ago, during Prophet Mohamed’s time.
        See Prophet Mohamed Entering Meccan before his last sermon, in Tamil.

        The Message – Prophet Muhammad’s Final Sermon in Tamil

        There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a
        non-Arab over an Arab, nor for the white over the black nor for the black over the white except in God-consciousness.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F30H8q1ny0

        The Message – Prophet Muhammad’s Final Sermon in English

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLUzXKfTu2Y

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    IH, welcome back. I was wondering what happened to you. Al Hamdullah, I am happy to have you back among us again. Today I am double happy because it is also GABAN DAY for the Gabanists.

    Let me explain further and reveal a secret. I am not really an atheist. I am a monotheist. A very strong one. My God is GA (Gaban Atha). I am sure Gaban had something to do with IH’s return.

    When I was a small child, we had in our village a very old man with long white hair, tall, strong and still very handsome despite his age, whom we called Gaban Atha (Grand father Gaban) GA for short. He claimed that he was the omnipotent and omniscient creator of the world and everything we see, hear and feel with our senses. We believed him. And with good reason. He was right there before our eyes. We could hear him, see him, touch him and smell him. If you still have doubts here is additional proof.

    Once he pulled out a chain watch from his waste and asked us,

    GA: Who made this?.

    We: GA you made it.

    GA: No. it was made in Switzerland by a company called Bulova. Can you get a watch like this without someone making it?

    We: No GA, certainly not.

    GA: Which is more complex. This watch or you?

    We: Us of course. We do so many things this watch cannot do like running, playing, thinking, eating, drinking.

    GA: Quite correct. So how can you be there without someone making you?

    We: You are right GA. Someone has to make us.

    GA: Who made you, your father, mother and all the people like that?

    We: We do not know GA.

    GA: I made you all and everything else in the world including the man who made this watch.

    We: (clapping) Yes GA. You are great. It is so nice of you to have made us.

    Then he used to distribute hakuru (coconut jiggery) and other sweet things among us. We all went home happy and more enlightened.

    He also said that anyone who does not believe in him will be punished by diseases, pestilence and death. Whenever anyone in the village (which was our cosmos those days) died, he claimed that the person was a non believer. Same with sickness, failure of crops due to pests, floods, drought and everything else. All were punishments for the non-believers.

    When I asked him how I can do well in studies like passing tests etc., he said son you will pass if you believe in me. But study well too, because if you pass without undeservedly and become a big man it will harm others. So study. Otherwise I will ensure that you do not pass.

    And miraculously, I always did very well in tests, thanks to my God Gaban Atha. Of course, the fact that the head master of the school was my dad and that my mother was a teacher there also must have helped to some extent. But I am sure that it was mainly due to the blessings of Gaban Atha that I passed. Without that I could not have become what I am now.

    I was a devotee of Gaban Atha when I was a kid and still am one. Now of course Gaban Atha does not live in the village anymore. He is on an inspection tour of the universe and will return only after a thousand years.

    Gaban Atha also had many Avatars. One was Buddha himself. How do you know, you ask? Well, GA himself told me so. But he never had a monkey (even a white one) as an Avatar, like the Hindus do.

    I still believe in GA as our creator and savior and pray to him before I sleep in the night. One day he is going to return and take me to nice new world out there.

    Hail Gaban Atha!

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      “My God is GA (Gaban Atha). I am sure Gaban had something to do with IH’s return. “

      “GA: I made you all and everything else in the world including the man who made this watch. “

      “I still believe in GA as our creator and savior and pray to him before I sleep in the night. One day he is going to return and take me to nice new world out there.”

      Who was GA’s (Gaban Atha) Father, Mother, and did he have any children?

      1. You are indeed very lucky to have known your Gaban Atha personally and will be in position to ask for favors when He returns.

      “I still believe in GA as our creator and savior and pray to him before I sleep in the night.”

      2. Did GA e request that you pray to him every day, or you just wanted to pray to GA, because you needed Him more than He needed your worship and prayers.

      Were you required to worship GA a) Once a Year b) Once a month c) Once a Week on Sabath Day d) Once a Day e) 5 Times a day f) 10 Times a Day g) 12 times a day f) 24 Times a day or, g) 50 times a day?

      “Gaban Atha also had many Avatars. One was Buddha himself.’

      3. So, can Sinhala Buddhists offer flowers to your GA and that will be equivalent to making blessings to Buddha? No need for statues, Bo trees, Pirith, Sil etc. at the Buddhist Temples and Hindu Temples as well?

      4. Amarasiri disagrees with your Gaban Atha, GA God. He is just one minor God under the Universal God Zeuss. To prove that, references are given below.

      God Zeus -The supreme ruler of the gods, as well as lord of the sky.

      Zeus was the god of the sky and ruler of the Olympian gods. He overthrew his father, Cronus, and then drew lots with his brothers Poseidon and Hades, in order to decide who would succeed their father on the throne. Zeus won the draw and became the supreme ruler of the gods, as well as lord of the sky and rain. His weapon was a thunderbolt which he hurled at those who displeased or defied him, especially liars and oath-breakers. He was married to Hera but often tested her patience, as he was infamous for his many affairs.
      Zeus, the presiding deity of the universe, ruler of the skies and the earth, was regarded by the Greeks as the god of all natural phenomena on the sky; the personification of the laws of nature; the ruler of the state; and finally, the father of gods and men.

      Using his shield, the Aegis, Zeus could create all natural phenomena related to the air and the sky, such as storms, tempests, and intense darkness. At his command, mighty thunders would flash and lightnings would roll, wreaking havoc; or the skies would open to rejuvenate the earth with life-giving water.
      As the personification of the operations of nature, he represented the grand laws of unchanging and harmonious order, by which both the natural and the spiritual world were governed. He was the god of regulated time as marked by the changing seasons and the regular succession of day and night, in contrast to what his father Cronus represented before him; absolute time, i.e. eternity.

      As the ruler of the state, he was the source of kingly power, the upholder of all institutions connected to the state, and the friend and patron of princes, whom he guarded and assisted with his advice and counsel. He was also the protector of the people, and watched over the welfare of the whole community.
      As the father of the gods, Zeus ascertained that each deity perform their individual duty, punished their misdeeds, settled their disputes, and acted towards them on all occasions as their all-knowing counsellor and mighty friend.

      As the father of men, he took a paternal interest in the actions and well-being of mortals. He watched over them with tender solicitude, rewarding truth, charity, and fairness, while severely punishing perjury and cruelty. Even the poorest and most forlorn wanderer could find a powerful advocate in Zeus, for he, as a wise and merciful paternal figure, demanded that the wealthy inhabitants of the earth be attentive to the needs of their less fortunate fellow citizens.

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        Amarasiri, As someone who likes you, I have to you warn you that you are in imminent danger of going extinct. I am sure, with your vast knowledge, you have read about GRB’s. NASA twists things and says that GRB stands for Gamma Ray Burst. But actually GRB means Gaban Ray Burst.

        A GRB is the most powerful event known to man and generates about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts of power. (10 followed by 42 zeros).

        The actual power depends on how angry Gaban Atha is and I can see that, in this case, he is not just angry but furious. You should not have asked all those questions about Gaban. He is priming up a huge star in the Orion constellation to do the dirty work. There will be two thin beams lasting only 500 milliseconds each.

        One is aimed for you and the other for Sharmini who insulted Buddha, GA’s Avatar. Tell her that 10**43 W Is not a joke. It is going to be so hot that Avici Maha Narakaya would feel like Antartica in comparison. She will understand.

        You can run but you cannot hide from GA. The only way is to apologize in one of your comments and the whole thing will be forgotten.

        If you do not apologize there will be a well roasted chick + a bundle of quark gluon plasma on earth and a rather big Black Hole in Orion.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          “One is aimed for you and the other for Sharmini who insulted Buddha, GA’s Avatar. Tell her that 10**43 W Is not a joke. It is going to be so hot that Avici Maha Narakaya would feel like Antartica in comparison. She will understand.”

          “If you do not apologize there will be a well roasted chick + a bundle of quark gluon plasma on earth and a rather big Black Hole in Orion.”

          Remember, God Zeus -The supreme ruler of the gods, as well as lord of the sky. God Zeus is above your Gaban Atha (GA). Amarasiri has already communicated with God Zeus to protect Amarasiri and Sharmini from the so-called GRB with 10**43 watts.

          God Zeus informed that he has a shield that is 10**430 PW, Petawatts. Since 1 PW = 10**15 watts, and his current shiels is at at its lowest 10**43 PW. This means 10**15 (W/PW) X 10**430 (PW) = 10**455W. So, the Zeus Shield is ample to protect Both Amarasiri and Sharmini.

          Ask Gaban Atha (GA), instead to put his little energy to hunt down and evaporate Iblis, Satan, Devil, Lucifer and Mara and their Followers such as the Wahhabis and their Clones (Salafis, Taudeeds, Najdis, Deobandi, Boko Haram, etc.) and BBS ( Mara Follower) who are causing so much havoc on Earth.

          Otherwise God Zeuss will evaporate Gaban Atha (GA) turn Him into the fundamental particles he is composed of and recycled in the Universe.

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        Amarasiri, things are worse than I thought. Take a look at the following GRB settings:

        Power Set Point: Off scale. (Maximum on the scale is 10. meaning 10 time normal power i.e. 10 to the power of 45)

        Star: Betelgeuse

        Orientation: In the direction of Orion Nebula

        Type: Red Giant

        Mass: 25 Solar masses.

        Distance: 640 light-years

        Things are going to be very very hot for you two guys. And to think I just gave you some important appointments! Oh My Gaban. What have I done?

        I have never seen GA so furious. No shield is going to work. The only hope is to keep cool. May I suggest you go and hide in the coolest place on Earth. That part of the anatomy of an Eskimo already mentioned by me. Preferably one suffering from frost bite in his backside. Right now it is deep winter in the Arctic. That may work. Find two Eskimos, because Satan is there too.

        I am leaving tonight for Orion as instructed by GA.

        Forget Zeus and his stupid shields. It is Betelgeuse we are talking about – not Betel Juice.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          “Type: Red Giant Mass: 25 Solar masses”

          “Distance: 640 light-years
          Things are going to be very very hot for you two guys. And to think I just gave you some important appointments! Oh My Gaban. What have I done?’

          Both Sharmini and Amarasiri are not bothered by the threats of your God GA. Why?

          1. It will take 640 light years to reach both Sharmini and Amarasiri in the neck of our woods, and will mis us by a wide margin, even if found.

          2. Zeus is the God of the Sky. That includes this Galaxy, the Milky Way, other Galaxies in this universe, AND All other Universes and the Galaxies contained in it. So, this Red Giant with 25 Solar masses is peanuts to God Zeus.

          3. Therefore both Sharmini and Amarasiri are not bothered. Besides, God Zeus knows the way of bending the the treats and making them harmless.

          4. Can you get GA to target the Satan Following Wahhabies and their clones. They are creating havoc on Earth, right now, as you well know.

          5. By the way, want to know more about God Zeus, God of the Sly?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus

          6. Amarasiri Googled, Gaban Atha, but could not find much information, but there was some. Is Gaban Atta, a rapist?

          “Feb 13, 2015 – Gaban atha’s avatar. Gaban atha · 35 weeks ago.

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      @EDWIN RODRIGO

      I am loving this !!! Thank you ! :)

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        You mean you will enjoy a GRB? Oh man! Oh man! How sadly mistaken you are. 10 to the power 43 Watts is not exactly what you use in your electric kettle. It is a whole lot more.

        Wait until you see what happens to Amarasiri and Chick, then perhaps you will understand.

        And don’t thank me. Thank Gaban Atha when it comes.

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          Oh, I AM and I will for sure!
          About time we had yet another Monotheistic diety to add to our wonderful list of “Ours Is The Only True Diety”
          Who cares what he’s called !

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            Maalumiris, The GRB – Do you know how hot it is? What if I tell you that Kochchi Miris will taste cooler than ice cream kept inside the anus of an Eskimo in the middle of winter, compared to how hot a GRB is compared to hell fire.

            Look Maalumiris. I am warning you. There is no list. That is Gabanphemy, the equivalent of Blasphemy.

            Gaban is the one and only God, Edwin his true Prophet, CT where the true doctrine is recorded (by Angel Amarasiri) and Sharmini the Satan.

            You don’t have to pray. Say ‘Hail Gaban’ 3 times a day before meals and you will be OK.

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              EDWIN RODRIGO

              “You don’t have to pray. Say ‘Hail Gaban’ 3 times a day before meals and you will be OK. “

              What Language does your Gaban Atta (GA) understand? Is there more to the Hail Gaban Prayer? Is it similar to:

              Hail Mary, full of grace.
              Our Lord is with you.
              Blessed are you among women,
              and blessed is the fruit of your womb,
              Jesus.
              Holy Mary, Mother of God,
              pray for us sinners,
              now and at the hour of our death.
              Amen.

              Amarasiri and Sharmini are protected by the God Zeus shield. However, the others may need to know, the approved languages.

              Hebrew, Greek, Persian, Sanskrit, Pali, Egyptian, Arabic, Hindi, Tamil, Latin, Spanish English, Dutch, Portugese, Sinhala and any other Language?

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                Angel Amarasiri, Don’t you know that Angels, like Ministers in the Y-Government, are dime a dozen. So don’t talk too much. Everything you say will be recorded and may be used as evidence against you.

                Sharmini poses a big problem though. It is not easy to find a good (I mean BAD) Satan these days, full of venom, hate, Sprite (sorry spite) etc.

                Regarding the languages, I suggest including Vedi Basava of the Apilage Aththo.

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                  EDWIN RODRIGO

                  “Angel Amarasiri, Don’t you know that Angels, like Ministers in the Y-Government, are dime a dozen. So don’t talk too much. Everything you say will be recorded and may be used as evidence against you.”

                  It is recorded in CT, if they do not Edit.

                  Your God GA never got permission from Amarasiri to be Angel for Him.

                  Tell GA that Amarasiri resigns from the Angel Post and give the post so somebody Else. What about some Sinhala Buddhist Monks? They may be able to use that post to round up some unsuspecting boys and girls.

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                Angel Amarasiri & St. Sharmini,

                “God Zeus informed that he has a shield that is 10**430 PW, Petawatts….

                Zeus may be good at eating stolen Kiri Peni but doesn’t seem good in Maths. Let him read my primers on Quantum Mechanics.

                Gamma Rays are extremely high energy photons. To deliver 10**43 to 45 W, there have to be a hell of a lot of them. Tell Zeus, that in quantum theory every thing, including the existence of unseen and unheard Gods, is dictated by probability. This means that a small part of the photons will get through his stupid screen. Angel, read the label. It will probably say that 99.something-something will get through. You see how the probability come in here? This of course means that 0.000000001 something-something will get through and that would be enough to at least half roast the chick. Still good enough to eat, I know, but quite unpleasant for the chick.

                What is going to happen to Angel Amarasiri? He may become a half Angel. One out of every organ he has in two may become plasma. What happens to the other one depends on the probability function. It may survive or it may also become plasma. Everything as I said depends on the probability function. But what is the use of a an Angel having 50% of halos, lungs, kidneys and Gaban knows what else!

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                  Gaban asked me to tell you that your Zeus shield is useless. He said that it is not a matter of energy only. Many photons will get past the shield using ‘Quantum Tunneling’.

                  Hail Gaban!

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                    EDWIN RODRIGO

                    “Gaban asked me to tell you that your Zeus shield is useless. He said that it is not a matter of energy only. Many photons will get past the shield using ‘Quantum Tunneling’.”

                    Tell your Gaban, local thing, to team up with Ganasara and the Norwegians and hunt for innocents in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho, as was revealed when Googled.

                    As for “Quantum Tunneling” and other phenomena, which were created by Zeus in this Multiverse, Yes Multiverse, God Zeus, is not bothered.

                    Remember, Zeus is the God of the SKIES. That means the Multiverse.

                    That include BBS, Norwegians, Israelis, The Great Satan, Wahhabies and their clones, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Atheist, Agnostics, Believers, non-Believers and ALL the others in the Multiverse, including those in the Exo Planets, that follow Kepler’s Laws.

                    Remember, Zeus has sufficient Power, yes, Energy to turn you Mortals and Matter back to its origins , the fundamental particles and whatever it emanated from. That include of course, all those religious fundamentalists, like the Wahhabis and their clones, BBS and their followers, and those idiots going around with Para-Sinala-Le, and calling it Sinala-Le, as well, in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

                    Just Google Zeus or God Zeus. He can be anywhere, and he is NOT LIMITED by the speed of Electromagnetic Radiation, Light.

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      I’m glad to learn that there is hope for you after you have shuffled off this mortal coil.

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    Izeth Hussain

    RE: After Islamic Fundamentalism?

    Amarasiri has an Idea. (Martin Luther and his 95 Theses). Wahhabi Satan Exposed. 95 Verses.

    Do a corresponding Wahhabi-Iblis Theses exposing the Wahhabis and their Clones as Agents of Satan, Iblis.

    There is Ample materials in the Quran, Hadith, and History of the Wahhabi-Satan’s actions.

    al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF68my1oQXM

    http://www.luther.de/en/95thesen.html

    The 95 Theses Die 95 Thesen

    Out of love for the truth and from desire to elucidate it, the Reverend Father Martin Luther, Master of Arts and Sacred Theology, and ordinary lecturer therein at Wittenberg, intends to defend the following statements and to dispute on them in that place. Therefore he asks that those who cannot be present and dispute with him orally shall do so in their absence by letter. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

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      Izeth Hussain

      RE: After Islamic Fundamentalism?

      The 10 Theses on Satan, Iblis, Wahhabies, Their Clones and Agents

      Out of love for the truth and from desire to elucidate it, the Egalitarian Philosopher, Lover of Wisdom, on the Earth that Revolves and goes around the Sun, based on Pure Reason, intends to expose the Devil, Satan, Iblis and his Agents, generally known as Wahhabies and their Clones, Salafis, Tauheed, Najdis, Taliban, Deobandis, Al-Queda, Boko Haram and other Satanic mutations, with the following statements and to dispute on them in all locations where Devil, Satan, Iblis and his Agents dwell. Therefore the Egalitarian Philosopher asks that those Wahhabies and their Clones, Salafis, Tauheed, Najdis, Taliban, Deobandis, Al-Queda, Boko Haram, other Satanic mutations and Agents who want to dispute with the Egalitarian Philosopher, Lover of Wisdom shall do so by letter.

      1. Ibn Taymiah, was an Agent and Follower of the Devil, Satan, Iblis.

      2. Abdul Wahhab, was an Agent and Follower of the Devil, Satan, Iblis.

      3. Abdul Wahhab, was an Agent and Follower of the Devil, Satan, Iblis, who was born in Najd, as predicted by Prophet Mohamed (Peace be Upon him), in the Hadith of Najd.

      4. Hadith of Najd – “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from there appears the Horn of Satan.” –
      -Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 17, Number 147
      -Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 214

      5.. The Saudi Family Dynasty are an Agents and Followers of the Devil, Satan, Iblis and originated from the Najd region.

      6. There are no Kings and Princes in Islam, only Agents and Followers of Satan, Iblis and the Devil make such Heretic Satanic claims.

      7. There is no Compulsion in Religion, and only the Devil, Satan, Iblis and his Agents, generally known as Wahhabies and their Clones, Salafis, Tauheed, Najdis, Taliban, Deobandis, Al-Queda, Boko Haram and other Satanic mutations call the faithful Allah following Muslims, Kafirs, and kill them.

      8.. The Devil, Satan, Iblis and his Agents, generally known as Wahhabies and their Clones, Salafis, Tauheed, Najdis, Taliban, Deobandis, Al-Queda, Boko Haram and other Satanic mutations want Muslims to Worship the Satan, Iblis, Devil and not Allah (Subhana Wa Ta ala).

      9. The Devil, Satan, Iblis and his Agents, generally known as Wahhabies and their Clones, Salafis, Tauheed, Najdis, Taliban, Deobandis, Al-Queda, Boko Haram and other Satanic mutations want Muslims to Worship the Satan, Iblis, Devil so that on the Day of Judgement, the Devil, Satan, Iblis, will not be alone in Hell Fire.

      10. Allah (Subhana Wa Ta ala), has given reprieve until the Day of Judgement for the Devil, Satan, Iblis to be sent to Hell Fire. Quran sura 7 (Al-Aʻraf), Ayah 14-18

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    There is fundamentalism in every religion but unfortunately the fundamentalism in Islam is the strongest of all. There must be some basic reason for this. Could the outside world be blamed for ALL the backwardness in Islamic countries? Is it the outside world that keeps the Islamic women denied of equality? Denied of basic rights such as a formal education? Many more examples like this could be quoted. There is obviously something flawed somewhere. Only a thorough inner search may reveal same!
    Sengodan. M

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      Sengodan,

      I read a joke recently and would like to share it with
      you.
      “A man is taking a walk at Central park in NY. Suddenly
      he sees a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog.
      He runs over and start fighting with the dog to save the
      girl from the killer and he kills the dog and saves the
      girl’s life.
      A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and
      says: “You are a hero , tomorrow you can read in all
      newspapers:”Brave New Yorker saves the life of little
      girl”
      The man says :
      “But I am not a New Yorker!”
      “Oh,then it will say in newspapers in the morning:”Brave
      American saves life of little girl”? the policeman answers.
      “But I am not an American”? says the man ,
      “Oh , what are you then?”
      The man says : “I am a Muslim!”
      The next day , the newspapers say : Islamic extremist kills
      innocent American dog ” – the policeman answers.

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        I am glad it is only a joke. Just want to be the oppressed , won’t you?

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        That’s a nice one whywhy

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    The tragedy of the SL Muslims is their inability to forge unity, even during times when the community is under extreme duress as in the recent past. This simple fact has been exploited and will continue to be exploited by various internal and external forces to achieve their own agendas. This phenomenon is reflected sharply in the fact that of the 4 major religious groups in Sri Lanka, intra-religious violence has erupted ONLY within the Muslim Community. Have there been any ‘Buddhist versus Buddhist’, ‘Christian versus Christian’ or ‘Hindu versus Hindu’ violence of a similar intensity during the past 30 – 40 years ?

    Therefore, Mr Hussain’s two proposals that he feels would contribute to national integration and thereby counter Wahabism, are doomed from the very beginning, because it’s successful implementation requires as a necessity a community that will speak with one voice.

    The speed at which Wahabism ( a form of Salafism) is reportedly spreading in Sri Lanka, supported as it is financially and strategically by various interested parties, cannot be matched by the introduction of any new form of ‘thinking’ among the local Muslims. Any and all such moves will immediately be dismissed as being ‘bidah’ (innovations) – a word that is anathema to any closed-minded Muslim.

    However, Mr Hussain is absolutely correct in identifying the strengthening of the Muslim Community’s National Identity through national integration over it’s Global Identity as an effective measure in countering the adverse effects of external forces.

    For starters, the Community should change their name from ‘Sri Lankan Muslims’ to ‘Muslim Sri Lankans’. A sound and valid argument for this has been presented by Bisthan Batcha in his blog post ‘Strengthening the National Identity of Sri Lankan Muslims’. Unfortunately, due to CT policy, I am unable to provide a link to this article. But a web search should do the trick.

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      ekelbroom

      “For starters, the Community should change their name from ‘Sri Lankan Muslims’ to ‘Muslim Sri Lankans’. A sound and valid argument for this has been presented by Bisthan Batcha in his blog post ‘Strengthening the National Identity of Sri Lankan Muslims’. Unfortunately, due to CT policy, I am unable to provide a link to this article. But a web search should do the trick. “

      To call Sri Lankan Muslims, Muslims Sri Lankans is a very bad idea. Why?

      1. Nationality is Sri Lankan. Before they became Muslim, they were sri Lankan. Period.

      2. May be they may be called Sri Lankan Moor, like Ceylon Moor, but that is partially race based.

      So, it has to stay as Sri Lankan Muslims,( Moor, Malay, Sinhala, and Tamil) so that it will include All Sri Lankans who want to be identified as Muslims.

      So we have, Sri Lankan Buddhists ( Both Sinhala and Tamil, if you can find them)

      Sri Lankan Christians ( Both Sinhala and Tamil)

      Sri Lankan Hindus ( Both Tamil and Sinhala, if you can find them)

      Sri Lankan Agnostics ( Both Tamil and Sinhala)

      Sri Lankan Zoroastrians ( Both Tamil and Sinhala)

      Sri Lankan Atheists ( Both Tamil and Sinhala)

      Sri Lankan Zeus ( Both Tamil and Sinhala)

      Sri Lankan Agnostics ( Both Tamil and Sinhala)

      Sri Lankan Gaban Atha (Both Tamil and Sinhala)

      Amarasiri is opinion that Bisthan Batcha, treats stupidity as a Virtue. Is he an Iblis, Satan, Devil Following Wahhabi or one of its clones? Just curious.

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        Thanks for including Gabanism. The one and only true monotheistic religion. You are my ANGEL, Angel Amarasiri.

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        “Amarasiri is opinion that Bisthan Batcha, treats stupidity as a Virtue. Is he an Iblis, Satan, Devil Following Wahhabi or one of its clones? Just curious.”

        Good question, Amarasiri. One that is best answered by those who choose to read one or more of my posts on matters affecting the Ummah in Sri Lanka, generated by my unshackled thoughts. Your personal opinion of me is indeed refreshing and welcome.

        However, before you reject out of hand the contents of the article that my good friend, ekelbroom, has referred to, it might be a good idea if you spend a little time reading the short article in it’s entirety before passing your valuable judgement on the proposed name-change.
        It might also interest you to learn in passing that in the U.S, which is experiencing heightened Islamophobia, no less a person than President Obama has begun to refer to it’s Muslim citizens as ‘Muslim Americans’ rather than the customary ‘American Muslims’.
        Do you think President Obama has read my article published in my blog more than 3 months previously?

        Here’s the article in question :

        Strengthening the National Identity of Sri Lankan Muslims
        Bisthan Batcha

        “What’s in a name ? That which we call a rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet” goes the oft-quoted line from Shakespeare’s Romeo & Juliet.

        So, is ‘name’ merely an ‘identification label’ as the good Bard of Avon would like to tell us ? Is it something that can easily be superseded by another without any significant change in the interpretation process ? This would clearly be true under ceteris paribus conditions. The knowledge, for instance, that Mary has changed her name to Anne would not keep her friends awake at night, but that she has changed her name to Fathima or to Tom would certainly do. The reason for this is quite straight forward. As long as the change in name does not include any major changes in the image of the individual conjured up by that name, the recipients of that knowledge will remain oblivious to the name-change.

        On the other hand, how about the case of a ‘label’ used to identify a specific Community ? Consider for example, the situation where an individual has been introduced as a ‘Sri Lankan Muslim’. When interpreting this single item of information, the recipient will consciously or sub-consciously bring to bear all his knowledge of, his attitudes towards and his prejudices regarding members of the Muslim Community. This is in a sense, quite natural. The recipient will associate with this individual all the favorable and unfavorable attributes that he associates with the Muslim Community.

        The general belief is that the Muslim Community in SL is perceived by the Majority Community as not being as strongly patriotic as themselves – that Muslims give preference to their Global Identity over their National Identity. The behavior of some SL Muslims who choose to voice their support for a visiting Pakistani Cricket Team over the local team only serves to strengthen such beliefs. Although the rationale for this belief is not sound, perception being stronger than reality sustains such beliefs. To correct this misconception, the reasons for such beliefs have to be identified and neutralized by the Muslims, whose ultimate goal should be to be perceived as being equal stake-holders, along with the other Communities, in the process of national healing and reconciliation in Sri Lanka. There are many things that should be done in this regard, but let us put that aside for the moment.

        One factor that is of immediate concern is that of the current ‘brand-name’ of the Muslim Community, viz. ‘Sri Lankan Muslims’.

        If the Majority Community interprets this brand-name to mean ‘He is a Sri Lankan AND he is a Muslim’, then there would be no perceptual issue, since the term ‘Sri Lankan Muslim’ is interpreted to mean that the individual is perceived with the same intensity to be both a Sri Lankan and a Muslim.

        If however, the Majority Community interprets the brand-name in one of the following mutually exclusive ways :

        He is a Sri Lankan BUT he is a Muslim
        ALTHOUGH he is a Sri Lankan, he is a Muslim
        He is a Sri Lankan, HOWEVER he is a Muslim
        He is a Sri Lankan, NEVERTHELESS he is a Muslim

        it then would mean that they are discounting the term ‘Sri Lankan’ and emphasizing the term ‘Muslim’ in their minds when it comes to the members of the Muslim Community. This would explain as to why some members of the Majority Community harbor a degree of doubt regarding the patriotism of SL Muslims. People whose mental framework causes them to perceive ‘Sri Lankan Muslims’ in such a manner will always have doubts as to the ‘Sri Lankan – ness’ of the local Muslims.

        The ‘image’ of the Muslim Community is clearly not driven by a single factor, but is shaped by the synergistic effect of several factors. If therefore it is indeed the case that the Sri Lankan Muslims are perceived rather negatively in this regard by the Majority Community, then it cannot be solely due to the adverse impact of it’s present name. However, the question does arise as to whether the current label used to identify the local Muslim Community contributes significantly towards promoting, strengthening and perpetuating the phenomenon of it’s members being perceived as possessing a weak National Identity and a strong Global Identity ?

        The simple method of neutralizing this ‘problem’ is to change the current label ‘Sri Lankan Muslim’ to ‘Muslim Sri Lankan’, which should result in the attribute ‘Sri Lankan’ being emphasized in the case of the local Muslims.

        In fact for purposes of strengthening the National Identity of the population, it might be a good idea to henceforth refer to the major Communities as Buddhist Sri Lankans, Hindu Sri Lankans, Christian Sri Lankans & Muslim Sri Lankans, which should downplay the different Global Identities and enhance the common National Identity of all the major religious groups in Sri Lanka.

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          Bisthan Batcha

          Amarasiri said:
          “Amarasiri is opinion that Bisthan Batcha, treats stupidity as a Virtue. Is he an Iblis, Satan, Devil Following Wahhabi or one of its clones? Just curious.”

          Bisthan Batcha Said:
          “Good question, Amarasiri. One that is best answered by those who choose to read one or more of my posts on matters affecting the Ummah in Sri Lanka, generated by my unshackled thoughts. Your personal opinion of me is indeed refreshing and welcome.”

          Thanks for clarifying Amarasiri’s curiosity, partially.

          1. Amarasiri admits, he did not read your article, as there was no link, as he had to do further searching and research on the subject, and spend more precious time. w

          However, the first impressions and thoughts that went through Amarasiri’s mind was expressed in my original comment. Being an Egalitarian Rationalist Philosopher, and giving priority to reason, observations and data, Amarasiri is always open to new observations and data, contradicting his original thoughts, and if needed, modifying the opinions and thoughts.

          2. “no less a person than President Obama has begun to refer to it’s Muslim citizens as ‘Muslim Americans’ rather than the customary ‘American Muslims’. ” ……American President George Bush also talked about the WMD, and have your heard about the Great Satan and the Axis of Evil?

          Q. “Do you think President Obama has read my article published in my blog more than 3 months previously? ” A. Amarasiri does not think so.

          3. After all, the ancient Greeks, and even the Christian Church were incorrect in promoting the Geocentric model for the solar system. It was data and observations that made them accept the Heliocentric Model. However, even today 25% of Americans, 34% Europeans and much greater percentage of others STILL ACCEPT that the Sun goes around the Earth. Sorry, Copernicus,Galileo, Kepler, Newton. Foucault, and Einstein, still too many idiots out there who treat stupidity as a Virtue.

          4. Furthermore, 44% of the American also believe that the Theory of Evolution is incorrect, while they have 46 chromosomes, while their chromosome #2 was formed by the fusion of two Ape Ancestor Chromosomes.

          5. “The simple method of neutralizing this ‘problem’ is to change the current label ‘Sri Lankan Muslim’ to ‘Muslim Sri Lankan’, which should result in the attribute ‘Sri Lankan’ being emphasized in the case of the local Muslims.”

          “In fact for purposes of strengthening the National Identity of the population, it might be a good idea to henceforth refer to the major Communities as Buddhist Sri Lankans, Hindu Sri Lankans, Christian Sri Lankans & Muslim Sri Lankans, which should downplay the different Global Identities and enhance the common National Identity of all the major religious groups in Sri Lanka. “

          6. The two ideas expressed above,5, in Amarasiri’s opinion is sheer stupidity, in the current Sri Lankan National situation comprising the various ethnic groups and beliefs, and trying to build a Nation called Sri Lanka. The last such sheer stupid idea was advanced and implemented for political, egoistic and family dynasty reasons by the Late S. W. R.D. Bandaranike, promoting the Sinhala Only Act, and Sri Lanka has been suffering ever since in today’s global economy.

          Amarasiri is of opinion that anybody who promotes the idea advanced, above in 5. Muslim Sri Lankan, Buddhist Sri Lankan etc. considers stupidity as a Virtue.

          Reference: Muslim-American or American Muslims? Here is Why It Matters…

          http://muslimmatters.org/2011/04/19/muslim-american-or-american-muslims-here-is-why-it-matters/

          “In my view it is more natural for our community’s psyche to make peace with the fact that our American identity is not necessarily modified by our Muslim identity, nor is the opposite necessarily true either. In other words we have multiple identities. If you are an American, that is a fact, it is one part of your total identity. It is the part that pertains to your nationality and some elements of your culture. If you are a Muslim, that is your religious identity, a choice you make due to Allah’s Mercy and Guidance. This means any American can be a Muslim. It places our faith as a set of beliefs and values that gives us a source of: morality, guidance, pride and the confidence to share our beliefs, talents and gifts with all Americans. The other way is not so attractive.”

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      ekelbroom – thanks for your thought-provoking contribution. You touch on a matter of the greatest importance: Muslim divisiveness.It did not strike me earlier that intra-religious violence is unique to the Muslim ethnic group in Sri Lanka.However I think that something can be done to lessen the divisiveness.Nothing is static in the universe.
      It should be possible to counter the Wahhabi thrust for certain reasons, at least to some extent. Wahhabism has never been more than a minority cult despite all the oil billions backing it.Even today only 25 per cent of Saudi Arabians are Wahhabis.One reason is that Wahhabism is outrageously inconsistent with the fundamental tenets of Islam. Another is that Wahhabism can never enable Muslims to cope with the challenge of modernity.
      Muslim divisiveness is so great that it may be that what I write will make no significant impact at all.I can only hope that what I and some others write might function as a catalyst in the future- – IH

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        Izeth Hussain and Sinhala Man

        Came across an interesting video, as to what the world would have been, without Islam. It is similar to without Christianity and without the Mongols, Alternate Histories.

        Quite thought provoking.

        What if Islam Never Existed?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqe9P0i-y94

        Published on Mar 21, 2014
        Islam is the second largest religion on Earth. It has a huge impact on the world and shaped the Middle East’s history. What would happen if Islam never existed? How would this not only change the Middle East, but all of human civilization? Here is one scenario.
        This is not meant to offend or criticize any certain group, it is only an exercise of alternate history.

        What if Christianity Never Existed?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9Wk3MMtVg

        Published on Nov 22, 2013
        Fantastic another Contro-History, this time we’re talking about Christianity! No, controversy there…..Anyway we explore what the world could be like if Christianity just didn’t ever exist. No religion involved, no politics. Just straight up history. Can’t wait to see those comments.

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    If Mr Izeth Hussain provides, to the satisfaction of readers, that it is necessary for all rational people to accept that Islam properly practiced will ensure that all who accept the existence of the one true God will go to heaven, then he would have established the fact that Islam ought not to be the negative force that it is perceived to be by many.

    However, he has already warned us that he is of the view that:

    “There are two places in the Koran that state that those who believe in the one true God and lead a good life will go to heaven. I think that that cannot be explained away contextually.”

    https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/is-islam-a-religion-of-peace/comment-page-1/#comments

    He has further stated today that “It is clear that according to the Koran the adherents of the three monotheisms who lead virtuous lives will go to heaven,” and followed that up by reaching out to the two other formal religions practiced in the country.

    “Not only Vedantists but average Hindus also speak of a transcendental God, and Buddhists clearly believe in a transcendental One, not in a multiplicity of Gods. All this is consistent with the fact that the Koran is insistent that the revelation of the one true God was given to the whole of humanity, not just to the Arabs.”

    He would then have done all that writing can do, to establish for those who will read, that there is no intellectual justification for religions to state that their futures have to be jealously guarded. How about the “humanism” practiced by all who describe themselves as “atheists”? He will not try, he has said, to explain away the need to “live decently”. Those last two words are my interpolation. He will not try to save us skeptics and “atheists” Well, I guess that we will look after ourselves. Only so much can achieved through philosophical writing.

    However, this is NOT going to solve all the problems of the world. What gets done, thereafter, is that responsibility devolves upon all of us to get that message across to all “to contribute to the process of national integration.” Obviously, it cannot rationally stop there; however, none of this can be achieved by any one person, nor can it possibly be done if an effort is made to become self-important. Who carries the message across becomes irrelevant. I don’t know the Pali way of saying that!

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      Sinhala Man – the self appointed mouth piece of IH

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        Rajash

        “Sinhala Man – the self appointed mouth piece of IH” ?

        Rajesh is identified as an Agent or proxy for foreign interests, Norway, Israel and the Christian Fundamentalist West headed by the Great Satan, which Amarasiri detected by Pure Reason and Serendipity.

        Amarasiri has seen a demonstration (Video) organized by “Friends of Israel” in Batticoloa in support of Israel by Christian Fundamentalists when the Palestinians were being killed, by similar Agents. It is hard to imagine a Sri Lankan Tamil would demonstrate for Israel.

        The Various Norwegian Agencies That Supported BBS Personnel -Prof. Rajiva Wijesinha MP

        https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/the-various-norwegian-agencies-that-supported-bbs-personnel/

        The reason I believe investigation would be useful is because of two names I noticed in the official Norwegian statement. One is that of the Worldview International Foundation, which is essentially run by a gentleman called Arne Fjiatoff, who has been in Sri Lanka now for several decades. During this period he has been involved in a range of projects with various Sri Lankan governments, which are in theory designed to benefit the Sri Lankan people, but which have also brought considerable benefits to Arne himself.

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        Rajash

        First of all Happy Thai Pongal (festival of Harvest) to all, especially to you Rajesh.

        By the way what are you doing here in this forum when you are expected to participate in the Jallikkattu (Bull Taming Sports) in Madurai and the misinformed-Tamil Mootal Parade on behalf of Israel, organized by the Norwegians, Israelis and the Christian Fundamentalist West for Mattu Mootal Day?

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          Amarasiri
          In this day and age of Internet of Things I can be riding a bull in Madurai and post to CT at the same time and also get instruction from my Norwegian and Israeli pay masters and read your comments all at the same time

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        Dear Rajash,

        I know nothing of you apart from the fact that you acknowledge that you have foreign paymasters. I’m glad that you realise that I’m “self-appointed” out of the pure conviction that what Izeth Hussain is doing something very important. I live in a pretty remote place but I intend even visiting him (if I’m not going to be too much of a distraction) when I’m next anywhere near the capital.

        People have got so used to having irons in the fire that when there is genuine concern for what’s happening around us, you get so cynical. Also, although I’m innocent of all knowledge of the Tamil language, I’ve been concerned about the unjust suffering Tamils have undergone. I managed to engineer my children to learn Tamil; the only pay-back we got for that was – my innocent daughter being locked up as a suspected suicide bomber – many years ago. That does doesn’t make me a Quisling! This is human decency as I see it. I fear that I’m talking too much about myself!

        Also, that concern was more for the poor “Estate Tamils” than for the high fliers. Like this “Jaffna Tamil” (This is brilliant writing):

        https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/the-story-of-the-failure-of-separatism/#comments

        Sometimes, what we say produces positive results; I have recently persuaded a Tamil doctor, a great admirer of Prabhakaran, to understand why I will not accept his hero as one of my favourites. On the other hand, if you have the time, and look at what appears there, you ought to realise that people like me saw 1983 coming five years ahead of Black July, and we did all that we could – for your community!

        https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/the-weight-of-past-choices/#comments

        I expected that “sinhala friend” to ask me more questions, but he didn’t. I can tell you that we did all that we could to stop that senseless violence. And then, when the Tamil students returned in 1984, there were some saying that they were not entitled to get a class. It is just now that the name of this guy flashed in to my mind:

        http://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/sudharshan-canagarajah/

        Yes, he probably was the guy. He was expected to get a First Class in Economics – could I help, with Student Unions banned? I was a much older undergrad (well, that’s another story) reading English, but I led a team that met the decent Vice-Chancellor, Malcolm Fernando, and Sudarshan got to Cambridge (not for a PhD? Strange!) Anyway . . . well, this shouldn’t be about myself!

        As for Rajan Hoole, I’ve not met him for forty-five years, but we talk to each other, and that school-boy respect we had for each other remains. For so long he was a vagrant in Sinhalese parts of the country, he now stays put in Jaffna. It was when I asked him to re-visit the hill country that he told me that his food habits could be a problem for me: he’s a vegetarian. The forces driving him on in his writing are not the Christian motivations of his priest-father. He’s totally devoid of self.

        What I’m trying to say is that unless and until we start regarding all other human beings as having equal rights with us Sinhalese (and Veddahs!), we are not going to have the sort of country that we ought to have.

        I regard this as an important stage in the growth of our country: we must have a just Constitution for Sri Lanka. We’ve got to build bridges – and that is what this very old man, Izeth, is heroically doing? Why do you object to what I say?

        As Amarasiri has already warned us, we must steer away from ad hominems and focus on these terribly important issues, and I think it necessary for me to do my little bit. To me it sounds as though Amarasiri and you have had many an altercation before on the web. Why don’t we all focus on making this a better country for the coming generations?

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          Sinhala Man
          “I know nothing of you apart from the fact that you acknowledge that you have foreign paymasters”

          This is a dig at Amarasiri
          ” We’ve got to build bridges – and that is what this very old man, Izeth, is heroically doing? Why do you object to what I say?”

          Izeth is not building bridges he is burning bridges.

          ” I regard this as an important stage in the growth of our country: we must have a just Constitution for Sri Lanka”

          I am all for it, however the likes of Izeth and Mahindapala are yet to openly acknowledge this or even make statement supporting this.

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            Rajash must reveal his true identity of whether he is a woman in man portrayal in these columns.

            He must say whether he wear knickers or jocks straps or neither of them.

            Let the readers decide his sexual orientation.

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              I wear komanam.

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                  I am selling designer komanams if you are interested.
                  Ralph Polo and Calvin Klein are bidding for the franchise I can send you a free sample.
                  I don’t need to know your waist, as you have no bull I will send you the smallest size
                  Email your address please

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            Dear Rajash,

            I feel that if Muslims begin to realise that many aspects of Islam arose from its cradle being in the deserts of Arabia, we will be able to get along with them as friends. I’m not a scholar of religions, but I do try to inform myself of what’s been happening since the world began. Islam arising out of cultures which were dominated by Jewish and Christian thinking, I see as similar to Buddhism and Jainism arising out of a background of Hinduism. At this moment, I have the impression that there was a good deal of squabbling among Christians over the Trinity, and Mohamed lived in a society where those were major issues.

            The Council of Nicea may not have settled “Arian heresy” with any finality. Therefore, I think that the very practical Prophet Mohamed came down as strongly as possible on the side of One God. And since, ultimately, Christians and Jews also believe in One God, then necessarily its the same God called by different names. The question is, do we want to keep asserting that views other than ours must be ferociously attacked?

            https://www.google.lk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=JkmbVsqbHsz08wfAmqpg&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Council+of+Nicea

            Another important consideration is the fact that Mohamed was Prophet, Politician and Soldier; that may have been necessary in that society, and being human he may even have made a few mistakes! I would not consider it constructive to throw the Battle of Badr at Muslims, and demand explanations, and keep arguing:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badr

            I have read elsewhere that many unnecessary executions took place after the battle. I feel that this may be right forum in which to mention this, but I’m sure that we will at the end of all the explaning remain a bit dis-satisfied because we have not heard an advocate for the Quraishi. That may be why I won’t convert to Islam, and never mind the eternal fire that I will have to endure!

            The birth of Islam is usually dated 618 A.D. Must that be resented as implying that the beginnings of Christianity decide all dating? Not many Christians bother to find out that the likeliest year for the birth of Jesus was 004 B.C. So much of every religion has accounts of unlikely miracles and mythology. Must we quarrel over all this? I have stated some of the ideas that I carry in my head. It’s important to be able to state it, and let others clarify some of the wrong notions that I have.

            So, when Izeth asks, “What about Hindus and Buddhists?” and then anwers: “Not only Vedantists but average Hindus also speak of a transcendental God, and Buddhists clearly believe in a transcendental One, not in a multiplicity of Gods.” I see it as a bridge-building exercise for us to see what sensible attitudes we ought to hold.

            I must confess that the thousands of gods that the Hindus (and the Greeks, and many other religions) seem to speak about confuses me, but when we have Swami Vivekananda saying things like this, I find it very acceptable:

            http://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-in-india/national-youth-day-why-the-world-needs-swami-vivekananda-now/

            Few Muslims seem able to show this detachment; therefore, I welcome what Izeth is saying. However, I feel that at some point he is going to gently rap me on the knuckles and tell me that I am wrong. That then will be his view; I may not accept all of it, but definitely I will not quarrel with him for holding views which are not perfectly congruent with mine.

            Will Muslims agree? Hilmy Ahamed, who posts articles himself, seems to do so, but “soma” below, strongly but politely disagrees. EDWIN RODRIGO has congratulated her on her honesty, and I feel that Izeth will not come down harshly on her. The people with whom we have a problem are those who display hubris.

            I know that some of the comments above represent personal non-malicious digs. Whoever takes Zeus’ love life seriously? However, there is an element of risk in posting all that; it could lead to serious misunderstandings. Therefore we have the fiat that that religion and politics are off bounds. We can’t afford to say so all the time; they are too important to leave undiscussed.

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              Sinhala Man
              Page simple question to you and IH
              Why can’t Islam be like any other religion!
              Why is there so much Islamic terrorism in the world , every day innocent people are being killed across the world by Islamic terrorist.
              Why is that IH have to write day after day after day on CT justifying and/ or providing explanation about Islam terrorism and fundamentalism and phobia

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                These were the questions that I was looking for yesterday. Through his writings Izeth is trying to make Islam “like any other religion”. I mean that in the good sense!

                Yet what a dangerous statement to make! Islamists could seize on that statement to say that Izeth is being a fifth column.

                Other religions too have inspired their followers to violent excesses, for which the religions themselves are not to blamed; however, I think it true that Islam has a greater tendency in this respect. The reasons may have to do with the fact that this is the only religion which records its founder’s military prowess.

                IH is indeed providing a great service to all human beings everywhere.

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      Sinhala_Man RE: Your Comments on Izath Hussein.

      “All this is consistent with the fact that the Koran is insistent that the revelation of the one true God was given to the whole of humanity, not just to the Arabs.”

      “He will not try to save us skeptics and “atheists” Well, I guess that we will look after ourselves. Only so much can achieved through philosophical writing. “

      These are had questions to answer, and belongs to the continuing debate, Revelation Vs. Reason.

      Thank you for your thoughts. We need people who can think, compare and contrast. Izeth Hussein is one such person, which is generally lacking among the Muslims.

      Those who want to believe in Revelation, guided by their Priests and Ulama, believe is All the Revelations, whether in conflict with Reason or not.

      Those who promote Reason, will want support, observations abs data, and good reasons as o why one should accept that.

      The Gap between Revelation and Reason is quite wide in the Islamic World.

      This gap was as wide in the Christian world, but has narrowed after the Age of Reason and Enlightenment.

      Question: When will the Age of Reason and Enlightenment come to Islamic World? They missed it in the 12th century, courtesy of Hamid AlGhazli.

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    Last 50 years or so, ISlam became very fanatic, extremist and violent. When both christianity and ISlam have evolved into very peaceful religions when it was allowed.

    There are very spiritual muslims as well as christians.

    Wahabis and Catholic church are not the peaceful people.

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    Writer says “….At present the Sinhalese power elite seems to have realized, at long last, the need for some degree of cohesion, for some degree of national integration, in this tragically fragmented country where there are many tribes and no nation..”

    Fragmented country where there are many tribes and no Nation?

    Is Izeth Hussain ignorant? No … He knows very well the history of Sri Lanka and it’s people who have developed the country and it’s civilisation for thousands of years …
    Establishing myths as facts in this difficult times of the country where the country is run by not locals but by outsiders may seem to be the way to go for some …… Majority of the country may be ignorant and foolish as the events in last year shows .. But there are millions and millions of srilankans who are carefully watching where the country is heading … They can very well understand the hidden motives of people and have the ability to separate the facts from ‘myths’.

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    What is apparent cannot be white washed. Buddhism is idol worship same as Hinduism,Christianity.
    Do not try to hide behind words,
    Idol worship leads to hell fire, Islam is pure monotheism.
    You are in tricky ground trying to camaflage your ideas into what Islam is not:

    Remember: There is no God but Allah Prophet Mohamed sallahuallaiwasallam is the messenger of Allah.

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      What god spoke to some illiterate merchant warlord in the desert and he was able to take it all down perfectly? And the angel gabriel spoke only arabic itseems? What crap.

      The world is in a struggle with a very depraved religion. As you say, all religions have a similar problem in that they priviledge faith over reason. Islam however is the most dangerous as it says ‘Ours is the last and final word’ and that any non believer is automatically infidel. If this doesnt incite the fools who follow it to violence, the herd mentality does.

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        In this Modern world asking about race and religion are out of fashion

        When Germany gave asylum to 1.1 million fake Syrian men women each with 10 kids they never asked about their religion…or race ,,simply treated then as humans

        Suppose if ARABS give asylum to Europeans first these fanatics ail tell them to convert to Islam else no water to even a crying baby

        These are the differences…

        Send back all Muslims to 4th century …Allah will look after them

        Cheers

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          Yes, and what did they do to the German women as thanks? F**ked them!

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      Jehan

      “Remember: There is no God but Allah Prophet Mohamed sallahuallaiwasallam is the messenger of Allah.”

      Read The 10 Theses on Satan, Iblis, Wahhabies, Their Clones and Agents.

      They, Satan, Iblis, Devil and the Wahhabies, do not like Allah(Swt) and Prophet Mohamed (PBUH).

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      @Jehan

      He He He

      So how can you describe going around a rock in Kaba and throw pebbles……????

      What about decorating a tomb siting around and cry this ..exactly this happened in every mosques in Sri Lanka and elsewhere

      Sell your fanatic sect inside your house today the whole world is laughing …

      After all your Q ran is 110% copy of Jewish holy book TORA…

      95% of Muslims countries are utterly poor live in dirt and spared all diseases ..is this your religion preach

      Vaccination is against Islam …in Pakistan and Bangladesh they even ill health workers who try to vaccinate

      But Facebook..Macdonalds…Coca Cola ..Citibank etc etc are all owned by Jews accepted by Muslims

      what a hypocrite sect?

      1 Man = 2 Woman

      Cheers

      Cheers

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      Jehan,

      RE: After Islamic Fundamentalism and Christian Fundamentalism

      “What is apparent cannot be white washed. Buddhism is idol worship same as Hinduism,Christianity.”

      “Remember: There is no God but Allah Prophet Mohamed sallahuallaiwasallam is the messenger of Allah.”

      Yes, we need to read the Holy Quran and the Holy Bible, as Revealed. Literally.

      But, the Wahhabis and the Clones follow Iblis, Satan. Devil, as deceived by Iblis. The Quran warns and refers to Iblis, Shaitan over 25 times.

      Islam explained by a non Muslim

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKB50GYMQ9g

      A very informative video about Islam for non-Muslim friends, explained by a non-Muslim.
      Giving a brief history of Islam and answering many misconceptions and false rumors.

      Ridiculous Bible Verses You’ve Never Heard

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkl_PefewXc

      List of crazy Bible verses to shoot back at your Fundamentalist neighbors, ranked by how insane they are, especially in the context of modern life. Just because a verse is not a Commandment doesn’t mean it’s not in The Bible…

      Sun spins around the earth

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UBSjWtPNbA

      How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw

      Easy to understand evidence for a common ape-like human/chimp ancestor. One of thousands of collaborating pieces of evidence, but this one is very conceptual. Whip it out anytime a creationist starts preaching.

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      Jehan,

      Why not authorise me to insert comments in your name, every time there is an article on Islam.

      The contents of the article seem to make little difference to your responses!

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      I admire your single minded devotion to Allah. Never wavering and having precisely one goal.

      In contrast with that, see the Buddhists of Sri Lanka, they run in so many directions have so many leaders, so many Gurus. They make vows at Temoles, Devales, Kovils, Churches, Mosques and even way side trees.

      Even the Uru Varige Vanniye Aththos are more consistent.

      You are the type of person we need. Would you like a free trial of Gabanism for a change? Try for one month and see the benefits. You are free to leave if you do not like it.

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        EDWIN RODRIGO …. What If…Re: Jehan…

        1. “To Jehan : “I admire your single minded devotion to Allah. Never wavering and having precisely one goal.” “

        2. “In contrast with that, see the Buddhists of Sri Lanka, they run in so many directions have so many leaders, so many Gurus. They make vows at Temoles, Devales, Kovils, Churches, Mosques and even way side trees. “

        What if, Jehan is correct? What is Jehan is absolutely sure, there is ONLY, ALLAH Subhana Wa Ata. Allah. Is he in Error? No!

        Example: The Astronomers are absolutely sure that the Earth Spins on its Own Axis and goes around the Sun in Elliptical orbits, with the Sun being at one one of the Loci and still follows Kepler’s Laws and Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, esoterically to explain the orbit of Mercury. Can you blame the Astronomers?

        No, because they have the reason, theories, Laws of Nature, observations and data to support their claims or “beliefs”.

        Why are you trying to blame and criticize Jehan, Wahhabis and the various hues of fundamentalists of all faiths?

        Because they have the reason, Scriptures, Angels, Prophets, Revelations, Eye Witness Narrations, Miracles, and a while school of reports by the Helpers and the “Religious” Scholars.

        That is why the Religious Scholars said, especially, Hamid-Al-Ghazali, said, when Reason comes into Conflict with Revelation, Revelation wins.

        Remember, Copernicus, Galileo, the Catholic Church and the Ancients?

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    Mr Izzadeen, please keep up the good work. Your rationale analysis is the need of the hour when Islamophobia and the strategic assault on the Islamic faith needs to be challanged without fear.

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    Mr Hussain, regret the typo earlier, please keep up the good work. Your rationale analysis is the need of the hour when Islamophobia and the strategic assault on the Islamic faith needs to be challanged without fear.

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    Muslims are very peaceful people …

    Islam(??) is a religion of peace..

    Islam respect women….

    My foot can t stop laughing

    On New Year Eve in Cologne Germany now it is clear over 500 girls were sexually harrssed and robbed by Muslims who have gone there as refugees how is this ?

    In Sweden during a music festival again gangs of refuge muslims have molested 100 of girls how is this?

    Suppose if accidentally if a foreigner touch a girl in Saudi Arabia uneducated imams living in stone age will condemned this person to death according to Quran

    Suppose if a Muslim woman in the west have undergone this uneducated Quran believing will cry about this and declare a joke called Fatwa

    These Muslims begged at the boarders of Europe just few months ago then taken inside simply as human being and cared …see what they are doing now

    West is still patent the youth are still tolerance not like muslims Are these jokers thing Western men are dumb and weak? Luckily this has not happened in ex-East German part ….otherwise

    Result?

    Germany is going to pass deportation law of refugees
    Denmark and Sweden have closed boarders
    Denmark parliament is going to introduce a bill to sell the property of the accused to pay compensation
    Holland is going to cancel citizenship if anyone break laws
    Switzerland is calling referendum to expel the family of anyone who break laws even if he or she is a citizen

    Look what are these fanatics Muslims bring …..

    Human rights …respect …Kindness..Law and order are not there in Islam created for barbarians Arabs in 4th century…

    .This is why Islam ask women to cover their bodies ELSE these maniacs will jump even on their own mothers and sisters

    West should send all these Muslims back to 4th century and make them to eat camel dung and drink urine

    These Muslims have no place in modern civilized society..

    Cheers

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      choan

      “Muslims are very peaceful people”

      It is the Satan, Devil, Iblis, Lucifer, Mara following Wahhabies and their Clones, who are the violent Terrorists.

      Read the The 10 Theses on Satan, Iblis, Wahhabies, Their Clones and Agent.

      The Muslims needs to do multiple “Thovil” Ceremonies, Devil Chasing Ceremonies, to Chase away the Wahhabi Devils.

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    Sadly the author has completely forgotten Allah. He is proposing all kinds of solutions to the problems of Muslims whereas the simple solution being praying five times a day.

    He seems to be unaware that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his last messenger.

    In his articles he is advancing two theses which are unpardonable blasphemy.

    1. Muslim population will never overtake that of non Muslims and therfore Islamophobia based on this count is totally unfounded. They need not fear.
    This idea negates the very purpose of sending the last prophet(PBUH). Entire mankind will never be saved.

    2. Muslim violence will recede as it embraces modernity.
    This is the greatest insult on Islam I have ever seen.

    Soma

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      Al Hamdullah!

      At last we have someone like you in this forum, who is not a hypocrite. I am not a Muslim but I know something about the holy Quran. I can believe that what you say is from Quran.

      Prayer is the best action one can take.

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      Dear soma,

      I think that at a personal level you are doing the right thing: pray five times a day and be steadfast in your faith. When you find that others are muddle-headed, please hold on to your clear convictions, and leave it to Allah to deal with other people’s problems, reward your good works, have mercy on you for any little faults that you have, and also deal with the wicked and the blasphemous.

      I’m sure that none of us will fault you; your tone doesn’t get shrill or strident.

      However, not every traditional and orthodox Muslim behaves with your restraint. It therefore becomes very important for somebody to adduce arguments which will (a) persuade Islamist terrorists and extremists to re-think what they are doing, and (b) ensure that no “infidel” imagines that he is threatened by Islamists. As EDWIN RODRIGO told us a few days ago, Allah has entrusted “mission impossible” to Izeth.

      The blind Milton complained that “God exacted day labour light denied”; the deaf Beethoven was more admirable, railed against heaven, but launched on heroic works which he would never hear, and finally, in his last quartets, attained serenity through “a condition of complete simplicity, costing not less than everything.”

      Izeth neither complains, nor rails against Allah; therefore, you should continue to habour misgivings, but wish him well!

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      Soma – in my very advanced age I am very much averse to wasting my time.I thought I should therefore ignore Soma’s bizarre reply. I couldn’t imagine any one taking it seriously. But one reader has taken it seriously and Sinhala Man, who is very supportive of me, has adopted a placatory tone towards her.There is one more reason why I have chosen to reply to her.She seems to exemplify the Wahabi tendency to anathematize anyone one who disagrees with them.
      I have argued in my earlier articles that the Muslim population in Sri Lanka will never exceed that of the Sinhalese.I cannot recall arguing that that applied to the rest of the world.But even if I did, that does not negate the fact that Mohammed was the last Prophet.That’s a bizarre non-sequitur on the part of Soma.The point is that the whole of humanity could become Muslim, not by population increase but by conversion.
      I never wrote that Muslim violence will recede as it embraces modernity – which Soma regards as the worst insult to Islam that she has ever seen. What I did was to expound Emmanuel Todd’s thesis that the sequence of literacy-female literacy-declining birth rate would lead to a recession of violence as part of the process of the transition to modernity. It is a bizarre non-sequitur to imagine that I wrote that Islam will embrace modernity.What I hold is that the world is moving – contrary to the Huntington hypothesis – towards a single civilisation, of which there will be many varieties. What we call “modernity” is a phase in that process.Mine is a universalist Islamic vision.I hope to write an article in which I will show that Islam of all the world religions is the most compatible with that universalist process.It is a view shared by Ernst Gellner, one of the very bright minds of the last century.The barbaric version of Islam known as Wahabism is the least compatible with that universalist process.
      A word of advice to Soma in conclusion.If you choose to reply to this, avoid being impertinent and bizarre. Otherwise you will have reason to be sorry. – IH

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        Izeth Hussain

        Thanks.

        “The barbaric version of Islam known as Wahabism is the least compatible with that universalist process.”

        Why do you keep calling Islam? Call it Wahhabism or Iblis-ism, and keep out Islam. Islam means submission to God.

        Iblis-ism and Wahhabism means, submission to Iblis, Satan. Shaitan, which Allah, SubhanawWa ata Ala, has warned over 25 times in the holy Quran. In fact, the Wahhabis, redefine Muslims, those who follow Allah Swt, and kill them. They d that to Shia, Sufis, Ahmedia and others.

        Amarasiri calls it Iblis-ism, based on its ideology and actions.

        If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, flies like a duck and smells like a duck, it is likely a duck.

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        I did not want to comment on this conversation anymore. But the last sentence of IH was too much to swallow.

        “If you choose to reply to this, avoid being impertinent and bizarre. Otherwise you will have reason to be sorry. – IH”

        That sounds very much like a threat. I don’t see anything in soma’s comment for IH to get so worked up about. But then not being a Muslim, who read so many different meanings, bizarre interpretations, to the simple, precise and straight forward contents of the Holy Quran, I may be wrong.

        In any case, everyone joining this forum has the freedom to state his/her opinion, as long as it is in accordance with editorial policy of the CT, which is doing a wonderful job for us to join in with our opinions.

        Can IH please elaborate on the reasons for his outburst?

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          Come come, Edwin Rodrigo – I have shown that Soma’s logic is utterly bizarre and she most certainly has been utterly insulting. If you can’t see that, there is no point in my replying to you in detail.- IH

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            Still no answer for my question “why did you threaten her?” No need to answer that because I worked out the reason why myself. Soma is a woman and in your Islamic eyes, 1 man = 2 women. How dare a woman question a man? So much for your ‘modernity’ Mr. Hussain!

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              Edwin Rodrigo – you have turned openly hostile.In a later communication you state that you feel sorry for me. Very nice of you. Keep feeling sorry for me. But bear in mind the possibility that in the course of our exchanges others may start feeling sorry for you.
              In fact they may start right now. You say that I have still not answered your question why I threaten Soma.Have I not stated plainly enough that she was extremely insulting to me? Is that not sufficient reason? Are you so prejudiced that you cannot make that connection?
              After that you give a blatant exhibition of Islamophobic racism.You attribute to me the view that one male equals two women.How do you know I share that view held by some Muslims? Have you the faculty of peeping into my mind? You just assume that because you have the essentialising habit of mind that is typical of the racist. Don’t ask me to explain.Do some reading on racism.I recommend Taguieff’s book Racism. – IH

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                Yeah, IH, I know. If I was a Muslim (peaceful or otherwise), I would feel the same way as you? How dare a woman contradict me?But then a woman is a half man. Why is a full man like you worried so much about a half man?

                Yes I feel sorry that I am living in an age where a 16 year old Pakistani boy is brainwashed by the Mullah of their mosque to believe that he will go to hell, never to come back again, who then goes and cuts off his own hand, and becomes in instant hero among the Muslims and the proud son of a faithful father.

                Whether some of the Muslims are peaceful is an academic question. Not a matter of life death. Right now, what concern me is the fact there are brainwashed Muslims willing to kill innocent people to get a one way ticket to heaven. If a teenage boy can cut his own hand on some trivial mistake, cutting the necks of his perceived enemies would be as easy as eating cadju.

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        Dear IH
        I bow my head down to you for your courtesy of taking time to reply in detail for it is said that true opposite of love is not hatred but indifference.

        I can sense the predicament you are in. In the Western culture today a man can move into intellectual explorations without any obligation to tow the line of the religion he is born into. He is totally free to say Bible is all cock and bull stories without angering a single Christian in the world. Even as a 15 year old I used to say this rebirth thing is highly suspicious and ordaining 5 year olds as priests is a fundamental human rights violation which must be banned by law. Did any body reprimand me or consider me a child prodigy? Everyone just got laughed it off. But you are not a free man that way for which I feel exceedingly sympathetic to you. Without that fundamental freedom intellectual explorations by a Muslim educated in English and exposed to non Islamic ethical systems appears to be plain hypocrisy to others.

        Soma

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          That is quite polite soma. No need to go and cut off your neck, the way that teenage Pakistani boy cut off his hand by himself to avoid eternal damnation to hell. IH is not going to make you sorry. But he made me sorry for him with all that medieval type talk. In which age are we living?

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          soma

          Be careful you may be brainwashed by Idiots, calling themselves Muslims.

          Islam does not require you to be educated by Idiots who call themselves Muslims, when in fact they are Iblis-Wahhabis and their clones. They are very different from the Islam preached and practiced by Prophet Mohamed.

          Stupidest Muslim Vs Neil Tyson – How ideology can ruin intellectual power

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84

          This is not a debate between some Muslim and Neil Tyson. But this video shows the thinking of some very well educated 21’st century Muslim (I don’t know he is ignorant, stupid or dishonest. But he is one for sure) and Neil Tyson speaking in a lecture about how Muslims intellectual power ruined by an ideology. You can watch the Full video of this Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s amazing lecture filled with fun and knowledge by clicking on the link below.

          Ken Miller on Human Evolution

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

          Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. He discusses a recent finding of the Human Genome Project which identifies the exact point of fusion of two primate chromosomes that resulted in human chromosome #2.

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            Amarasiri & soma,

            What do you mean by modernity?

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          Soma – as an ancient almost antediluvian codger I sometimes dwell in the past. It is sometimes present as powerfully as the present. Your first sentence brought back to me a very lovely female who told me forty years ago that people don’t quarrel with people towards whom they are indifferent. How does it go in Yeats’ great poem Among School children – “She stands before me as a living child”. I must re-read Proust.
          Your present reply is on a far higher intellectual level than your last one. I don’t have time at the moment to reply to it fully. But tell me what is there in my writings that “appears to be plain hypocrisy to others” ? – IH

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      soma

      “2. Muslim violence will recede as it embraces modernity. This is the greatest insult on Islam I have ever seen.”

      This was true for Christianity.

      If you claim it is the same God that is worshiped by Jews, Christians and Muslims, and if it was true for Christians, why can’t it be true for Muslims?

      The Age of Reason and Enlightenment arrived in Christianity, 500 years ago.

      Do you mean to say that the Age of Reason and Enlightenment will never come to Islam? Why? Is it in the Holy Quran? Is it in the Hadith? Is in in the Iblis-Following Wahhabi doctrine? If so can you give reference to your argument?

      Do you know that the Age of Reason and Enlightenment, almost came to Islam 800 years ago, but due to political reason, took the side of the Ulama, which did not happen in Europe 500 years ago?

      The reason why we have the modern technology and why we have internet to communicate is because of the Age of Reason and Enlightenment, that happened in Europe, 500 years ago.

      What Stopped Middle Eastern or Islamic Scientific Progress (Neil deGrasse Tyson

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2YUVITEVpo

      Breath-Taking! An old woman is talking about Islam.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or2kdaWqCzY

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    Today Germany has banned Muslims immigrants to enter Swimming pools …good news..

    Tomorrow other countries will follow..

    Soon this ban will be extended to Cinema..Stadium ..Shopping Malls …Parks…wonderful

    Switzerland is keeping all Muslim refugees inside Military bunkers …a good action…

    Send all Syrian refugees back to the guardian of Islam Saudis .
    let them send a big Halal Ship to transport Muslims,.

    There is no place among civilized society for Islam….

    Cheers

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      Most western countries banned ISlam because both of those religions are expansionist.

      None of their devotees can talk the truth because it is the Almighty’s wish

      Some Christians at least Abandon the Chrisitianity. Christianity peaked in Europe by 1700s and by 1700s Europeans could see the decline of Christianity.

      Now, Islam has peaked, here after, they only go down.

      Mark my words.

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        @Jim Softy

        It seems like most Muslims your knowledge has not gone out of Quran (copy of Torah) and Mosque

        Do you know Spain was ruled by Muslims for 800 years and Spanish never embraced Islam…

        Same Spanish ruled Philippines over 500 years once 100% Buddhist country became 110% Catholic…

        Who is smart….???

        2 Million Turks are living in Germany for generations ..Germans know very well where to keep them..

        Islam is growing inside Prisons in the west….most of the criminals specially drug dealers in the west are Muslims ….my foot Islam prohibit drugs ….

        Cheers

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    Good piece. Ignore the bigots.

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    “The spectacular recent beheadings in Saudi Arabia of no less than 47 persons in one day, most of them reportedly Al Qaeda terrorists apart from an eminent non-violent Shia cleric, seems to be a highly significant development”. This may not be quite accurate. Further, what justification do the Wahabis have in attacking the Buddhists for venerating Lord Buddha in the form of his image?
    Unfortunately for Izeth, it appears that the events in the Islamic world seem to be overtaking his views at a pace that he is not able to keep up with. Bensen

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    An excellent article. Mr.Izeth Hussain columns are treat for all those who cherish human dignity, justice and fairpla;irrespective what religion one professes. No wonder it has irked the hell out of the bigots who have fallen to the vile of Abdul Wahhab and his predecessor Ibn Taimiya, either knowingly or unknowingly. I suggest that the readers to get a better picture of the Wahhabi heretics, read the following article, written by scholars of repute.
    ‘A History of Wahhabism and the Hijacking of the Muslim faith’By CATHERINE SHAKDAM.

    http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/2015/12/a-history-of-wahhabism-and-the-hijacking-of-the-muslim-faith/

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    Issath

    For once you have written some sense, good on you.I am a Hindu who has been trying to read the bible and the Quran, I couldn’t as yet get hold of a Tora.You are right when you say that Hindus believe that behind all the idols there is the transcendental God who is ominicent, omnipresent and omnipotent.

    If permitted I am happy to undertake an umbra to Mecca. Despite the man made confusion God is one.

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    I always enjoy reading the articles of one of the most erudite scholars of our time, Mr.Izeth Hussain. The present one is an excellent piece, and an eye opener to all those who want our island republic not to descend into chaos and misery of the recent past.

    in the otherwise flawless article I would like to, for the records, that the reference to the dreaded Taliban bigots were factually incorrect.

    The forces which fought the Russian invaders at the outset were called the Mujahedeen. The Mujahedeen were armed and supported by several countries including, the U.S., Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Under Reagan’s presidency Congress which was led by Democrats, decided to form a partnership with the ISI which would recruit the Mujahideen with the support of the Pakistani military extreme views of Islam, led the Mujahedeen to fight ferociously against the Soviet Union. these extremist succeeded in driving Soviet militants out (1989). This unforeseen defeat caused the Soviets to lose billions of Dollars, and led to the collapse of the Soviet Union After the war. However the Mujahideens contrary to the expectations of the empire and its lackeys parted with their financiers and began to chart an independent path.

    When the Empire found out that the Mujahedeens weren’t interested to being lackeys of the Neocons and the Wahhabis; they (the empire) began their usual divide and rule strategy by pitting one Mujahedeen group against the other. however the Mujahedeen for want of visionary leader fell for the guile of the empire resulting in intra-fight among the Mujahedeens viz. President(Rabbani) , Prime minister(Hikmatyar) and the Defence Minister(Dostam)fighting for turf in the newly established Islamic state. After the Neocons bled the Mujahedeens they started to train the obscurantist Talibans to take over country. The Taliban took power, not fighting the fragmented country, but more by bribing their way with millions of petro dollars.This happened in 1996, that is 7 years after the Mujahedeens routed the Russians.

    The Taliban had no role in fighting the Russians and the credit solely lies with the Mujahedeens.

    Hence to name the taliban as the revolutionaries is a misnomer.In fact the Taliban was a creation of the Pakistani intelligence agency (the ISI) but was funded by the U.S. The U.S. provided $3 billion to build this Islamic group by providing provided ammunitions. It has further been said that the U.S. is responsible for providing the Taliban with logistical and military advice, along with military hardware . Therefore the Unites States and Pakistan are accountable for the Creation of Islamic extremist Group called `Taliban’.

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      Habeeb Mohamed – Thank you very much for your most enlightening clarification. – IH

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      Habeeb Mohamed

      “I always enjoy reading the articles of one of the most erudite scholars of our time, Mr.Izeth Hussain. The present one is an excellent piece, and an eye opener to all those who want our island republic not to descend into chaos and misery of the recent past.”

      Yes, in full agreement here regarding Izeth Hussein. Need more of them ti have critical mass.

      Thank you for the information on the Taliban. Suggest you read the book by Tamim Ansary, Islamic History through Muslim Eyes.

      Amarasiri’s lament is that Sri Lankan Muslims and other Muslims may not a critical mass of such Scholar Philosophers to fully appreciate the positive aspects of Islam, that lead to the Age of Reason and Investigation from 800 CE to 1,100 CE.

      In fact, the Wahhabism and the fundamentalists are making Muslims more and more stupid.It was primarily the Age of Reason and Enlightenment in the West, that has lead to the new technology developments today.

      Just Google The Islamic Philosophers, Reason Vs. Revelation and you will find more.Also Naming Rights Tyson, in U Tube.

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    If Islam is offended by free speech, gay marriage, women’s rights, democracy, bacon, and genuine human rights, it is not time for us to change. It is time for Islam to leave.

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    Look at the picture of this Imam in this picture in front of BBS monk…..

    The same Imam inside the mosque shout in high pitch about the bravery of Muslims,,,

    He He He here this Imam look like a cow going for slaughter ……

    For Muslims …fanatics going in the crowded places in the west and shoot them is a glory….

    Can any muslim has gut to go in front of a military barrack and fire ????? Cowards will never dare to do this…

    Can any Muslim touch a girl in the ex-East German side ….?

    The guys there will send back this fanatic as a meat ball…..

    Cheers

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    Everybody feels that the Sri Lankan society is getting more brutalized by the day. IH is worried about it. Amarasiri is worried about it and I am worried about it. Even Sharmini is worried about it.

    We are all searching for the cause. Except for Sharmini who is concentrating on the saffron robes, we are all groping in the dark in other places. But yet it is right there staring at our face and none of us including me realized that, until just now, it hit upon me like a thunderbolt.

    The cause is Buddhist practice and the Sangha. Who become the Sangha? In any place the best behaved people and the most disciplined become the Sangha. Once they enter the Sangha their genes (especially the Y-chromosome) are quarantined due to the rules of celibacy and never passed over to the next generation. The good genes get filtered out of the gene pool never ever to come back – thrown away and lost forever.

    In other words the gene pool gets worse with time. The concentration of bad elements like murderers, thieves, rapists et-al gradually increases leaving us with this rogue society of today.

    What is the solution? I will deal with that in my next comment.

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      “The cause is Buddhist practice and the Sangha. Who become the Sangha? In any place the best behaved people and the most disciplined become the Sangha. Once they enter the Sangha their genes (especially the Y-chromosome) are quarantined due to the rules of celibacy and never passed over to the next generation. The good genes get filtered out of the gene pool never ever to come back – thrown away and lost forever.”

      You are really onto something here. It is called negative evolutionary pressures. If this continue, it will lead to extinction. Isn’t that the ultimate Goal of Buddhism?

      Positive selection: also called (Darwinian selection) variants that increase in frequency until they fix in the relevant population. The selective pressure that leads to this fixation is termed positive selection.

      Negative selection: Also called purifying selection, it means that selection is purging changes that cause deleterious impacts on the fitness of the host.

      So, purge all the good ones, you are left with the duds. Is that what has happened to Sinhala Buddhism? Very interring Hypothesis.

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    Dear Mr. Hussain,

    Thank you for the article.

    From my perspective it would seem that all religious material outside of the Quran – i.e. the books of Hadith and Sunnah cannot be considered to be from God.

    This can be justified by considering the perspective of a non-Muslim seeking a meaning and explanation for life and the world. The non-Muslim is presented with a book, i.e. the Quran, which claims to be ‘consistent within itself’ (because anything that is truly from God can never be inconsistent) and also ‘an explanation for all things’. The Quran has the capacity to reason and show the discerning individual the obvious truth of it all.

    Thus from the perspective of the non-Muslim the circumstances of the Quran’s revelation becomes less important. The prophet and his integrity are not a concern – for the Quran stands alone and defends itself by means of its powerful message.

    Any material outside of the Quran must be able to do the same if it is to be regarded as from God. This is logical. Thus if a book of Sahih Hadith were to be used as a basis for religion that book must defend itself by means of consistency of message at the very least. However the Sahih books are obviously not internally consistent and in fact rely on Quranic verses that are interpreted in various ways to justify their authenticity. This despite there being even more verses in the Quran making explicit that it alone (the Quran) must be used as sole guidance.

    Further the books of Hadith need to be authenticated by means of a chain of narrators (isnad), whereas the Quran does not. The chain of narrators is evidence that at some point in history Muslims required some sort of proof of authenticity. However the Quran does not need to be authenticated as it stands on its own.

    It is therefore worthwhile to consider what Islam might look like with the Quran as sole guidance.

    I would recommend a viewing of the articles in the following website for this:

    http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/article%20listings%20FM3.htm

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      TheHorseFoot – thanks for your comment and all the material you have sent.Only the Koran is the word of God. But orthodox Muslims hold also that some of the hadiths, the Qudsi hadiths, have the same status as the Koran. All the rest are human constructs. It has been established by scholarly work done from the mid-nineteenth century onward that some of the hadiths are of dubious authenticity.It seems to me a sound principle to accept as valid only those hadiths that don’t contradict the Koran. You ask what would Islam be like with the Koran as the sole guidance.The problem is that there are contradictory verses in the Koran. Varying interpretations of the Koran and different versions of Islam can be expected to continue. – IH

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        Dear Sir,

        Thank you for the reply.

        Any inconsistency in the Quran’s message would cause it to utterly and catastrophically fail as the word of God. However as you have pointed out (and many others as well) inconsistencies do appear to be present.

        These inconsistencies have been addressed in several articles in the link that I have posted. The articles are by and large to the point and exact, and furthermore provide clear evidences in support of the author’s (Mr. Joseph Islam) views. I feel sure you will enjoy reading through them. You may also comment, clarify or question his articles in the website forum.

        A good article addressing the differing interpretations of the Quran can be found here: http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/verse%204-82%20FM3.htm

        As suggested in my first comment, the circumstances of the Quran’s revelation and the prophet’s character (which many base authenticity upon) should not be relevant to the present day truth seeker, and logically so as how can these be verified?

        As with any book, it is the message, its validity and consistency, that are important and must serve to convince. By validity I refer to what an individual, regardless of religion or upbringing, knows to be true – for e.g – an inert understanding of what is just and unjust, moral and immoral, and God’s existence (though details could still be forthcoming).

        The books of Hadith fail on the authentic test for two reasons:
        1. The isnad (which many base authenticity upon) is logically not a base upon which authenticity can be established.

        2. The books of Hadith comprise messages that cannot be validated by any means (many of which are borderline immoral and grotesque). Furthermore the books of Hadith make little to no attempt to be consistent within itself.

        For these reasons even the Qudsi Hadith would not have any base upon which authenticity can be established.

        Sir, following some hadith that are within the boundaries of the Quran would in fact be in breach of the Quran’s own warning that it should be sole guidance. However the following of Hadith may not be in breach if regarded as tradition. A clear understanding of what is religion must be established. For e.g – it can be traditional to pray in Arabic, however prayer can be established in any language because Arabic as the language of prayer is not mandated.

        I apologize if I have repeated myself a bit in this comment.

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        Izeth Hussain

        “Only the Koran is the word of God. But orthodox Muslims hold also that some of the hadiths, the Qudsi hadiths, have the same status as the Koran. All the rest are human constructs. It has been established by scholarly work done from the mid-nineteenth century onward that some of the hadiths are of dubious authenticity.”

        See what the Iblis Following -ISIS is promoting now? The same Ideology Abdul Wahab Promoted 200 years ago, and has been prompted by Iblis Following Wahhabis.

        New issue of ISIS magazine Dabiq calls for war on . . . Muslims

        Saudi Arabia Was the First ISIS State…

        The latest issue of Islamic State’s online magazine targets the terror group’s fellow Muslims even more than the West.

        Dabiq, as the English-language publication is called, devotes a majority of the 56 pages in the latest issue to justifying the killing of Shia Muslims. In numerous articles, the magazine goes to great lengths to give a theological basis for killing members of the minority Muslim sect that controls Iran and Iraq and has been at odds with Sunni Muslims for over a millennia.

        “The magazine spends so much time justifying the killing of innocent Shiites that it suggests that ISIL is frustrated that too few Sunnis favor sectarian massacres,” Ryan Mauro, a national security analyst for the Clarion Project, said. “ISIS is making the argument because it sees a problem it needs to address.”

        ISIS’ literary arm charges that Shia Muslims, or Shiites, qualify as apostates to the Sunni majority and therefore deserve to be killed. The radical terror group’s target audience seems to be fellow Sunnis who consider Shiites to be Muslims, or at the very least, not deserving of being murdered.

        The spark has been lit here in Iraq, and its heat will continue to intensify – by Allah’s permission – until it burns the Crusader armies in Dābiq.”

        – Quote from Abu Mus’ab az-Zarqawi in the latest issue of Dabiq.

        “ISIL’s focus on justifying killing Shiites is because it is being pressed by Shiite forces in Iraq and Syria,” Mauro said. ”ISIL is hoping to enlist Sunnis by framing its jihad as part of a prophetic battle where the Shiites and Jews eventually unite behind the Antichrist.

        Fanning the flames of the Sunni-Shia split, which dates to shortly after the death of Mohammad, benefits ISIS by helping it recruit Sunnis, Mauro said. And the terror group’s leadership appears to believe a final battle has been prophecized.

        Worldwide, Sunnis make up about 85 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims. Sunnis, who believe the true lineage of Mohammad lies with those who most closely followed his teachings, control powerful Muslim nations including Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey and Pakistan. In addition, most Muslims in Africa are Sunnis.

        Shia Muslims are a relatively small minority of Muslims, concentrated in Iran and Iraq. They believe bloodlines, not devotion, dictate the prophet’s line of successors. Throughout history, Shia Muslims have rejected the authority of Muslim leaders elected by the people, instead following a line of clerics they consider to have been appointed by Mohammad or Allah.

        The divide goes back to the period following Mohammad’s death in 632, when his close confidante Abu Bakr became the first Caliph of the Islamic nation. Shias believed the rightful heir was Mohammad’s cousin and son-in-law, Ali bin Abu Talib.

        Both sects have spawned more than their share of terrorists, though the terror organizations operate differently. Al Qaeda, ISIS, Al-Shebab and Boko Haram are Sunni organizations, while Iranian-sponsored terrorist groups, including Hezbollah, are Shia.

        The 13th issue of Dabiq, a copy of which was provided to FoxNews.com by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), is titled “The Rafidah: From Ibn Saba’ To the Dajjal.” Rafidah is derogatory term for Shia Muslims that translates to “rejecters.”

        In the foreword of the issue, the terror group praises the Dec. 2 terror attack in San Bernadino, Calif., calling it a demonstration of Muslims’ willingness to make sacrifice for the sake of “fulfilling their duty to Allah.” The foreword then uses the attacks carried out by married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik as a call to arms for targeting “crusaders” on their own soil.

        “The spark has been lit here in Iraq, and its heat will continue to intensify – by Allah’s permission – until it burns the Crusader armies in Dābiq,” reads a quote from Abu Mus’ab az-Zarqawi, an Iraq-based Al Qaeda leader killed in 2006.

        The issue also touches upon other matters, including an article on the recently killed executioner for ISIS, “Jihadi John,” an article praising the widows of ISIS fighters and a piece blasting Saudi Arabia.

        But what is most clear throughout the issue is a concerted effort to wipe out the Shia population of the Middle East. At first glance, it may seem odd that ISIS is focusing its efforts against fellow Muslims and not the West, but Mauro says that it is part of a very elaborate campaign on the Islamic State’s part.

        Yet, ISIS is also at war with Saudi Arabia, a Sunni nation. (MEMRI)
        “It is still important for ISIL to attack the U.S. and Europe for branding purposes,” Mauro said. “It helps them make their case that they are looked favorably upon by Allah and that they are growing stronger, regardless of whatever territorial losses they suffer on the ground.”

        http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/21/new-issue-isis-magazine-dabiq-calls-for-war-on-muslims.html

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      Thanks, “TheHorsesFoot”,

      Izeth has already thanked you for “all the material” – and what a lot there is! I just went in to Joseph Islam’s website, and browsed a little. The following features struck me immediately, but I can’t see myself going through all of that:

      (a) Many a Muslim has told me that Islam is clear in what it says, and that what is said is unambiguous: this indicates otherwise. I knew that Muslims have an aversion to the Christian symbol of the cross and that Jesus never died, but was taken direct to heaven.

      (b) The rationality of the discussion (i.e. the lack of dogmatism) impressed me, and hatred of all that others believe was conspicuous by its ABSENCE. This is very civilised discussion. However, the Christian gospels shown are in English (well, we know no Greek, so it has to be that way!). Also, if Jesus survived the ordeal on the cross, would his body still not have suffered so much damage that speculation of what subsequently happened seems far-fetched?

      (c) Then the slaughter of animals for food, including that of the pig: a notion that many non-Muslims in Sri Lanka have is that since all butchers that we know are Muslims, all Muslims are butchers! On the other hand, I do eat all kinds of meat (unless a species is in danger of extinction), so I cannot exculpate myself from the slaughter. Many of us are such hypocrites – but I do admire vegans like Prof. Mahinda Palihawadena whom I referred to in comments on one of IH’s earlier articles:

      http://www.mahindapalihawadana.webs.com/

      Another delightful man, even older than IH. It certainly is time that younger people started thinking on some of these subjects. He has been rehashing some of his earlier articles last month because he feels it is a pity that not many younger people know anything about his own “guru”.

      http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=137791

      (c) To get back to what Joseph Islam has written, it all seems to be scholarly AND so very kindly presented – I have no time right now to think of more felicitous ways of expressing myself! What a far cry from the screaming of terrorists that we associate with “Islamic Terrorism”. On the other hand, can we possibly have the time to go through all this?

      The solution may be to follow common sense, and be humble enough to accept that certain tasks are beyond us, but we can’t err if we look for what is good in what others are saying, rather than being suspicious of everything.

      So, in many matters, “soma” is right: just humbly pray, as instructed, five times a day (as a Muslim), but without too much hullabaloo, since activities like prayer are private between the individual human being and “the transcendental”, to which we give various names – Allah being just one.

      But “soma” must appreciate that a different sort of humility, as expressed by IH is necessary if followers of Islam are to co-exist with others today: “The problem is that there are contradictory verses in the Koran. Varying interpretations of the Koran and different versions of Islam can be expected to continue. – IH”.

      I have searched unsuccessfully for a question posed at the very end of one of IH’s recent articles despairingly asking why Islam alone insists of being such a controversial and “un-normal” religion. It is for that very reason that these articles have been so useful. TWO other points, though: FIRSTLY: All other religions went through certain phases in the past when the seemed more problems than solutions. SECONDLY: Most of these difficulties will get under control if we realise that ALL religions arose out of certain human societies, and must ultimately serve human beings. Now, I don’t expect IH himself to accept that last statement because ultimately he’s a very devout Muslim!

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        Sear Sinhala_Man

        Thank you for your comment. I would like to point out the following:

        1. Religion is ubiquitous in human society and the absence of religion usually the exception. On this basis it can be argued that humans instinctively demand religion, and this demand has manifested in the myriad of beliefs we have today.

        In support of the above I post an article by the daily telegraph suggesting that children are born believers in God:
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/3512686/Children-are-born-believers-in-God-academic-claims.html

        2. The Quran presents a message that attempts to reconcile this instinctive human demand with information. The Quran claims it is fully detailed and an explanation of all things.

        3. The servicing of this instinctive human demand for religion with the right information lends to peace of mind and relief. For this reason I do recommend a reading of the Quran supplemented by the helpful information in the quransmessage website. I assure you it is a worthwhile endeavor. Peace of mind and relief is frankly priceless.

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          Sinhala_Man and TheHorsesFoot,

          Thanks. Since you are now “primed” suggest you read the following, if you can get hold of the two books. Avorres book has all the arguments of Al Glazali. So try to get that.

          Read Al-Ghazali’s, The Incoherence of the Philosophers, Averroes Tahafut Al-Tahafut, The Incoherence of the Incoherence. Averroes book contains Al-Ghazali’s arguments so that you only need Averroes.

          RE:”In support of the above I post an article by the daily telegraph suggesting that children are born believers in God:”

          There are different schools of thought here.

          The first speculative Theologians in Islam are called Mu’tazilites from about 723 CE. Although they form a rather heterogeneous group, they have certain points in common, principally their theory, taken from Stoics, of the nationality of religion (which is for them identical with Islam), of a natural light (lumen naturale), which burns in the heart of every man, and the optimistic view of a rational God who has created the best of all possible worlds for the greatest good of man who occupies the central place in the universe.

          Ash’arites, are forced by the weight of evidence to admit a certain irrationality in theological concepts. They hold the middle way between traditionalists who want to forbid all reasoning on religious matters, and those who affirm that reason unaided by revelation is capable of attaining religious truths, generally called the Philosophers.

          Ghazali says that “the imponderable decisions of God cannot be weighed by the scales of reason and Mi’tazilism”.

          Revelation Vs. Reason debate…. continues..

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            CORRECTION

            “taken from Stoics, of the nationality of religion (which is for them identical with Islam), of a natural light (lumen naturale), which burns in the heart of every man,”

            CORRECTED: Rationality of religion, not nationality of religion

            taken from Stoics, of the rationality of religion (which is for them identical with Islam), of a natural light (lumen naturale), which burns in the heart of every man,

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          Sinhala_Man and TheHorsesFoot,

          Aristotle and Averroes Lyrics

          Reason Vs. Revelation

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOlzx4_FSQE

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          Sinhala_Man and TheHorsesFoot,

          Who Is Averroes / Ibn Rushd?

          Averroes was a defender of Aristotelian philosophy against Ash’ari theologians led by Al-Ghazali.

          Revelation Vs. Reason. Rationalist Aristotelian Philosopher went contrary to Al Ghazali and the Ulama and Orthodox.

          Averroës (April 14, 1126 – December 10, 1198) is the Latinized form of Ibn Rushd (Arabic: ابن رشد‎), full name ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad Ibn ʾAḥmad Ibn Rušd (أبو الوليد محمد ابن احمد ابن رشد), a mediæval Andalusian Muslim polymath. He wrote on logic, Aristotelian and Islamic philosophy, theology, the Maliki school of Islamic jurisprudence, psychology, political and Andalusian classical music theory, geography, mathematics, and the mediæval sciences of medicine, astronomy, physics, and celestial mechanics. Averroes was born in Córdoba, Al Andalus (present-day Spain), and died at Marrakesh in present-day Morocco. His body was interred in his family tomb at Córdoba. The 13th-century philosophical movement based on Averroes’s work is called Averroism.

          Averroes was a defender of Aristotelian philosophy against Ash’ari theologians led by Al-Ghazali. Although highly regarded as a legal scholar of the Maliki school of Islamic law, Averroes’s philosophical ideas were considered controversial in Muslim circles. Averroes had a greater impact on Christian Europe: he has been described as the “founding father of secular thought in Western Europe” and was known by the sobriquet the Commentator for his detailed emendations to Aristotle. Latin translations of Averroes’s work led the way to the popularization of Aristotle and were responsible for the development of scholasticism in medieval Europe.

          Averroes’s name is the Medieval Latin form of the Hebrew translation Aben Rois or Rosh of the Arabic Ibn Rushd. It is also seen as Averroës, Averrhoës, or Averroès to mark that the o and e are separate vowels and not an œ or diphthong. Other forms of the name include Ibin-Ros-din, Filius Rosadis, Ibn-Rusid, Ben-Raxid, Ibn-Ruschod, Den-Resched, Aben-Rassad, Aben-Rasd, Aben-Rust, Avenrosdy Avenryz, Adveroys, Benroist, Avenroyth, and Averroysta.

          Averroes was born in Córdoba to a family with a long and well-respected tradition of legal and public service. His grandfather Abu Al-Walid Muhammad (d. 1126) was chief judge of Córdoba under the Almoravids. His father, Abu Al-Qasim Ahmad, held the same position until the Almoravids were replaced by the Almohads in 1146.

          Averroes’s education followed a traditional path, beginning with studies in Hadith, linguistics, jurisprudence and scholastic theology. Throughout his life he wrote extensively on Philosophy and Religion, attributes of God, origin of the universe, Metaphysics and Psychology. It is generally believed that he was perhaps once tutored by Ibn Bajjah (Avempace). His medical education was directed under Abu Jafar ibn Harun of Trujillo in Seville. Averroes began his career with the help of Ibn Tufail (“Aben Tofail” to the West), the author of Hayy ibn Yaqdhan and philosophic vizier of Almohad king Abu Yaqub Yusuf who was an amateur of philosophy and science. It was Ibn Tufail who introduced him to the court and to Ibn Zuhr (“Avenzoar” to the West), the great Muslim physician, who became Averroes’s teacher and friend. Averroes’s aptitude for medicine was noted by his contemporaries and can be seen in his major enduring work Kitab al-Kulyat fi al-Tibb (Generalities) the work was influenced by the Kitab al-Taisir fi al-Mudawat wa al-Tadbir (Particularities) of Ibn Zuhr. Averroes later reported how it was also Ibn Tufail that inspired him to write his famous commentaries on Aristotle: Abu Bakr ibn Tufayl summoned me one day and told me that he had heard the Commander of the Faithful complaining about the disjointedness of Aristotle’s mode of expression — or that of the translators — and the resultant obscurity of his intentions. He said that if someone took on these books who could summarize them and clarify their aims after first thoroughly understanding them himself, people would have an easier time comprehending them. “If you have the energy, ” Ibn Tufayl told me, “you do it. I’m confident you can, because I know what a good mind and devoted character you have, and how dedicated you are to the art. You understand that only my great age, the cares of my office — and my commitment to another task that I think even more vital — keep me from doing it myself. “

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    Amarasiri, Gaban is the only Real God. Others speak of Gods but have anyone of them seen, heard, smelt, tasted and touched their God. I don’t think so. But we the Gabanists have seen, heard, smelt, tasted and touched our God Gaban Atha. I must admit that the smell has not been pleasant on some days, but then how can we mortals judge what a God should smell like?

    It is strange that Amarasiri is rejecting our Gaban Atha without even inquiring what his doctrine is. It shows Amarasiri has deep rooted misconceptions. As far as how to lead our lives is concerned, there is only one rule that Gaban wants us to apply. He says: DO AS YOU LIKE.

    You may laugh and say what kind of rule is that? But think it over, isn’t that what the followers of all other religions including Buddhism do? No matter what their holy books say, they all do what they like and then claim that, that is what their BOOK says.
    Gaban wants to keep things simple and open. Then there will be less conflict because there is neither a BOOK nor interpretations to defend.

    Lastly who can misinterpret such a rule even if one wants to do so. Isn’t it the most logical rule you have come across?

    Hail GAban!

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    EDWIN RODRIGO

    “Amarasiri, Gaban is the only Real God. Others speak of Gods but have anyone of them seen, heard, smelt, tasted and touched their God. I don’t think so

    Have you heard about the Burning Bush, who spoke to Moses, Yahweh? That was the God of the Old Testament. Ask any Jew or Christian. They will Attest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_bush

    Biblical narrative[edited out]

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      Amarasiri, They were either mad or dreaming. Edwin has seen Gaban Atha in real life. (You see how I now write in the 3rd person as Angels do?)

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        EDWIN RODRIGO

        ” Edwin has seen Gaban Atha in real life. (You see how I now write in the 3rd person as Angels do?)”

        Then it is Revelation to EDWIN RODRIGO, not to others. You or your scribes need to record it and put into the Gaban Atha Holy Scriptures, and get enough mortals to accept and believe. Then you are in business.

        That is what the others have done.

        If you have some miracles, that will certainly help, and will differentiate GA from the others.

        Anyway, as requested before, Amarasiri has NO interest in becoming an Angel for GA. Please offer that “Post” to another.

        What about the former Mahinda Rajapaksa cronies floating around with no anchor?

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          Rejecting Position: No way. OINO. Once In Never Out. Amarasiri is a bonded Angel for life.

          Scribe: None. No Gabiriel Athas. Only Gaban Athas.

          Holy Scriptures: Again None. We aim for low overheads. Why does one need a Book (Holy or otherwise) to record the 4 words: DO AS YOU LIKE.?

          Miracles: The Miracle is that There are NO miracles.

          MR: Already a Gabanist. But not an Angel. All of you are Gabanists too because whether you are MS, RW, UG or WW what you all do is DAYL.

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            EDWIN RODRIGO

            Then you can add your Religion to this top 10 Religions.

            Amarasiri has no interest in joining any of the 10 nor your GA religion. Keep it to yourself, or donate to BBS or the former Rajapaksa cronies.

            Top 10 Bizarre Religions

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=461IR-Pa2JI

            We all need something to believe in, but the 10 religions on our list have some pretty far out ideas.

            From the sex slavery cult, to the religion that claim humanity was created by aliens, check out the top 10 bizarre religions.

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    Amarasiri and others,

    If you want to see Gaban Atha at his best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPv1sjMv37w

    (BBS Horizon – Before The Big Bang)

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      “(BBS Horizon – Before The Big Bang)”

      See how some people can be brainwashed, with faith alone, without data and observations.

      How religion(Islam) turns someone into a Terrorists, because they are afraid of Sins. Christians used to do the same, but got out of that business.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWX6JQckDgk&list=PL3_oCuRCcPwd_U8-xBFtZvUdZZF0F_vD6&index=2

      “Do you want to spend Eternity in Hell” or Commit crimes on Earth following the Satan, Iblis, as guided by Wahhabis and their Clones.

      Reason Vs. Revelation, and those who cannot think can believe in Revelation.

      Even in the US 25% of Americans still believe the Sun goes around the Earth.

      1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says

      http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/14/277058739/1-in-4-americans-think-the-sun-goes-around-the-earth-survey-says

      A quarter of Americans surveyed could not correctly answer that the Earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, according to a report out Friday from the National Science Foundation.

      The survey of 2,200 people in the United States was conducted by the NSF in 2012 and released on Friday at an annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Chicago.

      To the question “Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth,” 26 percent of those surveyed answered incorrectly.

      In the same survey, just 39 percent answered correctly (true) that “The universe began with a huge explosion” and only 48 percent said “Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals.”

      Just over half understood that antibiotics are not effective against viruses.

      As alarming as some of those deficits in science knowledge might appear, Americans fared better on several of the questions than similar, but older surveys of their Chinese and European counterparts.

      Only 66 percent of people in a 2005 European Union poll answered the basic astronomy question correctly. However, both China and the EU fared significantly better (66 percent and 70 percent, respectively) on the question about human evolution.

      In a survey compiled by the National Opinion Research Center from various sources, Americans seemed to generally support science research and expressed the greatest interest in new medical discoveries and local school issues related to science. They were least interested in space exploration, agricultural developments and international and foreign policy issues related to science.

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        So you will reconsider accepting the position?

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          “So you will reconsider accepting the position?”

          No, No and No.

          Give it to BBS Ven. Ganasara Thero, H L D Mahinndapala or some other Mahinda Rajapaksa cronies.

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        They found the 9th planet.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          “They found the 9th planet.”

          Still 25% of Americans, 34% of Europeans and about 5o% of the others believe that All these planets (Except the Earth) and the Sun go around the Earth.

          Thy are correct as far as the Moon is concerned.

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