17 October, 2017

Is Islam A Religion Of Peace?

By Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

It seems to me extremely important that before we address the question whether or not Islam is a religion of peace, we should first of all situate it in its proper socio-political context. This question acquired importance after 9/11, and it is quite understandable that – after the Paris bombings and other outrages – it remains the question of central importance about Islam in the West and elsewhere. We – meaning most of all the Muslims – must therefore address this question, and we must do so honestly without indulging in Islamic apologetics. We may engage in that process successfully, but we may find at the end of the day that anti-Muslim sentiment has not abated by one bit in the West and elsewhere. To abate that we must address the problem of Islamophobia, which is one of the main reasons why the question of “Islamic violence” has acquired so much exaggerated importance.

For some time something like an international campaign to spread Islamophobia has been going on. After the last general elections we thought that the BBS was finished once and for all because all its candidates lost their deposits, showing clearly enough that it had no mass appeal among the Sinhala Buddhists. But for some time the BBS has been busy at the grass roots level spreading Islamophobia, and now we have the Sinha le sticker campaign. Sinha stands for the Lion Race and le stands for blood, and the message apparently is that this is the land of the Sinhala and any nonsense from the minorities can lead to their blood being shed. It is the Muslims who are being targeted. The walls of some Muslim houses in Nugegoda were spray-painted with the slogan Sinha le and stickers carrying the slogan have reportedly appeared in some of the Gulf countries. A foreign hand is obvious behind this Islamophobic campaign. The fact that so insignificant a minority as the Sri Lankan Muslims has been targeted in this way shows the depth and range of the international Islamophobic campaign.

There are several websites that are engaged in that campaign. The silliness of their material is mind-boggling, but I suppose that silliness has a mass appeal in hate campaigns. What I find surprising is that Islamophobic silliness is shown even by some of the top intellectuals of the West. For instance the late Christopher Hitchens, who had a very high reputation as a practitioner of the higher journalism, began his dialogue with Tariq Ramadan by noting that the term Christendom fell into disuse after the First World War. Several European powers fought each other in that war, but there was also a Muslim one, namely Turkey. The Christian world became secular after that war but not the Islamic one where the idea of the Caliphate has persisted. The correct facts about the Caliphate are these. Kemal Ataturk disbanded the Caliphate in 1924, after which the idea of reviving the Caliphate hardly figured in the Islamic world except among Indian Muslims during the pre-Independence period. Recently the IS claims to have established the Caliphate but no one outside the ranks of the IS takes that seriously. I find it perplexing that Hitchens has given so much importance to nonsense about the Caliphate. He seems to exemplify an Islamophobic propensity to find fault with anything and everything that is Islamic.

A surprisingly widespread notion – surprising because it is so preposterous – is that Islam makes the exceptionally large claim that it gives the final revelation after which there can be no other. I find this notion expressed by Hitchens, I think also by the academic philosopher Roger Scruton, and others including a recent reader of mine. Surely every religion claims to be definitive and claims therefore to be final. This charge against Islam is peculiarly preposterous because the Prophet was very modest indeed about his revelation. He did not claim that his revelation was new and original but merely that he was reiterating something revealed to mankind right down the ages by a whole series of Prophets before him. But the revelation that there was only one true God was always corrupted in the course of time. He was therefore reiterating it as something that was definitive and final, from which all the rest of Islam followed. That was why there are two verses in the Koran according to which Christians, Jews, and Sabataeans who believe in the one true God and lead a good life will go to heaven.

The above will have to suffice in this brief article as examples of the silliness that goes with Islamophobia. I will now focus on the main charge made by Islamophobes, which is that Islam is a religion of violence. I will sketch out, very briefly, my own approach to this problem, an approach that is doctrinal and also commonsensical. On the doctrinal level theologians have given primary importance to the Verse of the Sword, that is verse 5 of Sura 9. I will not provide any quotations here because the interested reader can easily access the material through the internet. That verse certainly projects the image of a militant, violent, proselytizing Islam that is fiercely intolerant of everything that is unIslamic. But that verse totally contradicts the many verses in which Islam is projected as a religion of peace. Some theologians hold that all those verses were abrogated by the Verse of the Sword.

I must now briefly explain what is meant by abrogation in interpreting the Koran. There is a verse in the Koran which states that later and fuller verses can be taken as abrogating earlier ones on the same subject.. A problem arises because there has been no consensus on the correct chronological order of the Koranic texts apart from a broad division between the early Meccan Suras and the later Medina ones. The attempt to solve this problem leads to certain conclusions, one of which is that a verse has to be read in its context. In this case verse 5 of Sura 9 has to be read in the context of verses 4 to 7 of that Sura. It then becomes clear that verse 5 really applies to those who have broken treaty obligations and is not meant to be taken as embodying an immutable principle.

So the identical Koranic text can be read in two different and opposed ways: one as projecting Islam as a religion of peace and the other as projecting it as a religion of violence and jihadist war. We must bear in mind that what is known as Islam is not just what is revealed in the Koran but also the Sunna, the Way, which is inclusive of the six books of the Hadiths – the vast corpus of the Traditions of the Prophet – and the four schools of Divine Law. In all that vast corpus plenty of texts can be found to read Islam in the two different and opposed ways that I have mentioned above. What this means is that Islam, just like the other three world religions, can be interpreted in different ways. So my answer to the question whether Islam is a religion of peace is the ambivalent one that it is both a religion of peace and a religion of violence and jihadist war. I don’t believe that the dilemma facing those who want a final and definitive interpretation of Islam can be found by entering the thickets of theological controversy. My way out is a commonsensical one.

I have two commonsensical points to make. I would firstly observe that there are two different kinds of questions, namely the right questions and the wrong questions. The right questions amount to fertile hypotheses that lead to useful answers while the wrong questions lead nowhere. I base my position that asking whether Islam is a religion of peace is a wrong question on a Biblical text: The Son of Man goes forth to war. It is an indubitable fact that the adherents of all the great world religions have indulged in much violence and much war, and that is true also of Buddhists who practice the most peaceful of all the religions. The historical record shows that Muslims have been no more prone to war and violence than others. Let us remember that nations whose civilisations were shaped by Christianity were mainly responsible for the two greatest blood-lettings in all of human history, the two world wars of the last century. My second commonsensical point is that ninety nine per cent and more of the Muslim immigrants in the West and elsewhere are peaceful law-abiding citizens. It surely means that the demented violence of Wahabism and its clones is an unIslamic aberration. However my answer to the question whether or not Islam is a religion of peace is not going to convince the Islamophobe. How to deal with him is another story.

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    My favorite book is God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, where he says:

    “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

    Nicely put and He does not seem to have missed anything there. Every time I read that, I wonder how so many people can be so stupid and idiotic to believe in their God knowing what his past behavior has been.

    It seems that the standards for God are much lower that they would set for a human leader. Take Hitler for example. He did so many bad things. But in my opinion he is a saint compared to what Almighty God has done according to the religious books. Also, more close to home, they insist on dragging MARA before the UNHCR courts for allegedly killing a mere 40,000.

    IH has done us a great favour by making us find out new things and remember old things. Poor guy has certainly messed up things for Islam.

    Thanks for those references. Will certainly look them up soon.

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      Yes, Richard Dawkins put it succinctly in God Delusion.

      Two-hundred odd years before that this is what Thomas Paine said in the age of reason:

      ” If it be asked , why do priests preach the doctrine contained in this chapter,the answer is easy: they are not fond of practicing it themselves.It does not answer for their trade. They had rather get than give.Charity with them begins and ends at home.”

      Who is pretending whom? Is everybody pretending?

      By the way, Richard Dawkins has a new book, Brief Candle in the Dark. My Life in Science.

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      “In God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, where he says” ….

      So, this is the God of the Old testament and New Testament, who sent his “Son” for the “sins” of Mankind, because “Adam” ate from the forbidden “tree(apple?)” based on the deception by “Satan”.

      Now Divine Competition.

      Now, Bible Scholar on Question of Whether Muslims and Christians Worship Same God: Short Answer Is ‘No’

      There’s been a great deal of debate of late over whether Christians and Muslims worship the “same God,” with the renewed discussion emerging amid an ongoing battle between evangelical institution Wheaton College and one of its professors, Dr. Larycia Hawkins.

      As The Blaze has extensively reported, Hawkins, a political science professor, could end up losing her job after writing in a Facebook post that Christians and Muslims “are people of the book” and “worship the same God” — proclamations that led to her suspension from the school.

      Kevin James Bywater, resident scholar and director of Summit Ministries’ Oxford Study Centre, recently addressed the controversy as well as the general question surrounding whether members of these Abrahamic faiths worship the “same God” on an episode of The Church Boys.

      Bywater said that the way in which Hawkins framed her comments about Islam and Christianity seemed “intentionally provocative.”

      “Because of those words and the potential implications — depending on what she means by those words … that could really put off a number of Christians,” he said. “And I think for a number of good reasons.”

      Listen to Bywater respond to the question of whether Muslims and Christians worship the same God below (interview starts at the 47:00 mark):

      https://soundcloud.com/thechurchboys

      The scholar proceeded to break down what he believes are the key differences between what Muslims and Christians say about the Almighty, though he did note that both religions are monotheistic, believe that God is “maximally powerful” and are Abrahamic faiths.

      “Very clearly, what Christians say of God and what Muslims say about God doesn’t simply map on to each other. They don’t say the same thing,” he said. “There’s a degree affirming that we’re participating in sort of a broad Abrahamic tradition, but even affirming that, I think we need to recognize that, even in biblical theology, it’s possible to worship God wrongly to the point of where you offend him.”

      He also responded to Protestant theologian Miroslav Volf, who recently said that there is some inconsistency among Christians who argue that Muslims’ rejection of Jesus as savior means that they do not worship the same God, saying that these Christians do not hold the God of Israel in the Old Testament to the same standard.

      There’s been a great deal of debate of late over whether Christians and Muslims worship the “same God,” with the renewed discussion emerging amid an ongoing battle between evangelical institution Wheaton College and one of its professors, Dr. Larycia Hawkins.

      As TheBlaze has extensively reported, Hawkins, a political science professor, could end up losing her job after writing in a Facebook post that Christians and Muslims “are people of the book” and “worship the same God” — proclamations that led to her suspension from the school.

      Kevin James Bywater, resident scholar and director of Summit Ministries’ Oxford Study Centre, recently addressed the controversy as well as the general question surrounding whether members of these Abrahamic faiths worship the “same God” on an episode of The Church Boys.

      Bywater said that the way in which Hawkins framed her comments about Islam and Christianity seemed “intentionally provocative.”

      “Because of those words and the potential implications — depending on what she means by those words … that could really put off a number of Christians,” he said. “And I think for a number of good reasons.”

      Listen to Bywater respond to the question of whether Muslims and Christians worship the same God below (interview starts at the 47:00 mark):

      https://soundcloud.com/thechurchboys

      The scholar proceeded to break down what he believes are the key differences between what Muslims and Christians say about the Almighty, though he did note that both religions are monotheistic, believe that God is “maximally powerful” and are Abrahamic faiths.

      “Very clearly, what Christians say of God and what Muslims say about God doesn’t simply map on to each other. They don’t say the same thing,” he said. “There’s a degree affirming that we’re participating in sort of a broad Abrahamic tradition, but even affirming that, I think we need to recognize that, even in biblical theology, it’s possible to worship God wrongly to the point of where you offend him.”

      He also responded to Protestant theologian Miroslav Volf, who recently said that there is some inconsistency among Christians who argue that Muslims’ rejection of Jesus as savior means that they do not worship the same God, saying that these Christians do not hold the God of Israel in the Old Testament to the same standard.

      “I think one of the oversights in both Volf’s statement and others is that, given the biblical understanding that revelation is progressive and unfolding, we could say in the Old Testament it was not clear that God is trinitarian,” Bywater continued. “Not nearly as clear as when you get into the New Testament.”

      He went on to say that, in the Old Testament, it was ignorance when it came to embracing the trinity, but for Muslims it is more of an issue of ignoring that dynamic.

      Listen to the interview for more about this subject and read an extensive analysis featuring both sides of the debate.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/07/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god/

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    Is Izzath [Edited out]

    Why he is defending Islamic terrorism ?

    The actions of Boko Karam,ISIS,ALQIADA and regular bombing of Mosques in Pakistan,Iraq,Afghanistan etc-.show the glory about Islam ..sect started in 4th century to correct barbaric Arabs …but no use…even today in Arab country sides they bury new born girls alive ….the only religion (??) justify rape

    Few days ago in Maldives a beautiful young girl from far away Island was murdered and thrown on street not the fist murder .she came to Male for drug rehabilitations…

    .Look Maldives Island is 100% Islamic country they say but drugs and liquor are flowing ..and Saudis are funding Islamic University and way of living ..another Syria is in making

    Cheers

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      cholan

      “Why he is defending Islamic terrorism ?”

      Izeth is not defending Terrorism. You have got it all mixed up.

      Read the write up carefully.

      He is exposing the terrorists, the Wahhabies and their clones, and those who follow the Devil, Satan.

      Read Amarasiri’s posts carefully. Do not get in the illusion of the Sun rising from the East, to say that the Sun goes around the Earth.

      Fighting the Terrorists, the Satanists, is an intellectual fight.

      This Fight happened in Islam 1,000 years ago, and the Islamic Philosophers lost out to the Ulama, the Religious”Scalars” due to political reasons, just like the Yahapalanaya and Sri Lankan politicians were giving in to Sinhala Buddhism.

      Sri Lanka needs a Mustafa Kamal Ataturk, like Turkey, to keep Separation of Church and State.

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    There have been many readers who have condemned “WAHABISM” without adducing scholarly reasons to show why the teachings of Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab is not in consonance with the teachings of the Noble Prophet of Arabia. Izzeth is NO EXCEPTION when he speaks of the “demented violence of WAHABISM. ”

    Reproduced here is an article by Amir Butler who writes on Stephen Schwartz, another one of these writers who pose of as researchers but who based their works on hearsay.

    An exposè of an anti-Ibn Abd al-Wahhab liar which is relevant to others of Schwarz’s ilk.

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      J.Deane

      “There have been many readers who have condemned “WAHABISM” without adducing scholarly reasons to show why the teachings of Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab is not in consonance with the teachings of the Noble Prophet of Arabia.”

      What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach?. Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan.Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi M<Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews abs other people.

      Plenty of Innovations, to follow Iblis, Satan, Devil, so that All those who follow the Wahhabis and their clones , will be in Hell along with Iblis, Satan, Devil.

      Remember ALL Wahhabies and Their Climes, Salafis Tauheedsis, Najadis, Deobandis, ISIS, ISIL, Taliban. Boko Haram Etyc. will end up in Hell Fire.

      GIBE UP YOUR WAHHABISM NOW. THE SAUDI PETRO-DOLLARS OR THE GREAT SATAN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE YOU. [Edited out]

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        Thanks Amarasiri. The rest of this reply is addressed to J.Deane.You must reply to the point made in Amarisiri’s second para.It cannot be denied that the clones of Wahabism have been perpetrating horrors that can find no sanction in what you find in the Koran.Those horrors have been horrifying the rest of the world except for the most benighted of the Muslims. What’s your reply Deane? – IH

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          Thanks Amarasiri. The rest of this reply is addressed to J.Deane.You must reply to the point made in Amarisiri’s second para.It cannot be denied that the clones of Wahabism have been perpetrating horrors that can find no sanction in what you find in the Koran.Those horrors have been horrifying the rest of the world except for the most benighted of the Muslims. What’s your reply Deane? – IH

          Islam as I know can be explicitly understood in the following verses.

          And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. (Al An’am 6:108)

          Indeed, Allah enjoins justice, and the doing of good to others; and giving like kindred; and forbids indecency, and manifest evil, and wrongful transgression. He admonished you that you may take heed. (Al Quran 16:91)

          Then reward of goodness is nothing but goodness. (Al Quran 55:61)

          And good and evil are not alike. Repel evil with that which is best. And lo, he between whom and thyself was enmity will become as though he were a warm friend. But none is granted it save those who are steadfast; and none is granted it save those who possess a large share of good. (Al Quran 41:35-36)

          And worship Allah and associate naught with Him, and show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbor that is a kinsman and the neighbor that is a stranger, and the companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom your right hands possess. Surely, Allah loves not the proud and the boastful. (Al Quran 4:37)

          O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even though it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, be he rich or poor, Allah is a Better Protector to both (than you). So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you may avoid justice, and if you distort your witness or refuse to give it, verily, Allah is Ever Well-Acquainted with what you do.

          We should refrain from involvement in senseless arguments in which the sole purpose is to put down others and to show superiority: Aimless arguments are signs of misguidance. (We seek refuge with Allah from it). For this reason, the prophet (S.A.W.) warned us in an authentic hadith reported by Imam At-Tirmithi, “A people did not get misguided after Allah had guided them, but they were aimlessly argumentative.” Stay away from arguments even if the truth is on your side, so that you can end a pointless argument.

          The prophet (S.A.W.) said in another authentic hadith reported by Imam Abu-Dawud, “I guarantee a house in the surroundings of Paradise for the one who stopped being aimlessly argumentative even if he is right.”

          The prophet (S.A.W.) said in a hadith reported by Imam At-Tirmithi, “The people whom I hate the most and who are the farthest from me on the Day of Judgment are those who talk uselessly, and those who put down others, and those who show off when they talk.

          I entered this discussion only to highlight the falsehood that is being spread about Sheik Muhammed bin Abdul Wahab, of whom the greatest scholars of Islam ( i.e. Those who have spent a lifetime living with other scholars of equal or greater standing) have praised for guiding the Muslims of his time and the future generations, away from Shirk (like grave worshipping and other deviant practices that were inimical to the pristine religion conveyed by the Noble Prophet.)
          I invite Izzeth to delve, and research the writings of Sheik Muhammad and inform us of any conflict between them and the Blessed teachings of the Noble Prophet. You will comprehend, Insha Allah, that these clones you speak of are not clones of Wahabism but that of the devil, shaitaan, Iblees as your friend Amarasiri names them.
          For the record I will give you a few works authored by Sheik Muhammad

          1.
          Masa’il al Jahiliyyah allati Khalfa fiha Rasulullah Ahal’l Jahiliiyya” (Foundations of Islam)
          2.
          Kitabul Tawheed
          3. Explanation of the four principles

          Based on the above injunctions I will desist any further involvement in this thread.

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            J.Deane

            Thanks for the reply, and Thanks for the Verses.

            “Islam as I know can be explicitly understood in the following verses.”

            Amarasiri’s question was:

            “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach?. Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan.Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi M<Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews abs other people."

            1. "And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge.(Al An’am 6:108)"

            When Amarasiri Referred to Iblis and Satan, they were Not invoked. They were Refereed to as those who mislead those believers and Iblis is referred 25 times in the Quran, as the misleader. Wahhabis and their clones are misled by Iblis, and as a result they persecute and kill the other believers by calling them non-Muslims and Apostates.

            This was originally started by Ibn Taymiah, around 1,200 CE ( Approx 600 AH), and he was misled by Iblis, Satan, Shaitan. He also wanted otger Muslims killed.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Taymiyyah

            "He is renowned for his fatwa issued against the Mongol rulers declaring jihad by Muslims against them compulsory, on the grounds that they did not follow Sharia and as such were not Muslim, their claims to have converted to Islam notwithstanding. His teachings had a profound influence on Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, and other later Wahabi scholars."

            2. "He admonished you that you may take heed. (Al Quran 16:91)". Wahhabis and their Clones do not need to the above verse,. Why? Because they heed to Iblis, Satan, Shaitan.

            3. "Then reward of goodness is nothing but goodness. (Al Quran 55:61)'
            This is not what the Wahhabis and their Clones are practicing. Therefore, they cannot be following Allah. They must be following Iblis, Satan, Shaitan.

            4. "But none is granted it save those who are steadfast; and none is granted it save those who possess a large share of good. (Al Quran 41:35-36)" The Wahaabis and their clones, did kill those faithful who were steadfast. Therefore, the Wahhabies and their Comes must be followingIblis, Satan, Shaitan.

            5. "Surely, Allah loves not the proud and the boastful. (Al Quran 4:37)" It is Wahhabies and their Clones who are boastful and kill the other faithful, calling them Apostates, the Trick of Iblis. Clearly, the Wahhabies are followers of Iblis, Satan, Saitan.

            6. "I entered this discussion only to highlight the falsehood that is being spread about Sheik Muhammed bin Abdul Wahab, of whom the greatest scholars of Islam ( i.e. Those who have spent a lifetime living with other scholars of equal or greater standing) have praised for guiding the Muslims of his time and the future generations, away from Shirk (like grave worshipping and other deviant practices that were inimical to the pristine religion conveyed by the Noble Prophet.)'

            The Sheik Wahhab and his followers are follower of Iblis, Satan, Shaitan. They killed over 2,000 faithful in Karbala, Iraq, by calling them Apostates and Kafir. A Muslim can never call another Muslim Kafir. It is between him and God. This was recognized by the Ottoman Calif, and the Iblis Following Wahhabi Saudi was captured and executed.

            Ottoman–Wahhabi War
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Wahhabi_War

            In 1802 the Wahhabi sack of Karbala resulted in 5000 deaths and the plundering of the Imam Husayn Shrine and, by 1805, the Wahhabis controlled Mecca and Medina.

            7. "We should refrain from involvement in senseless arguments in which the sole purpose is to put down others and to show superiority: Aimless arguments are signs of misguidance." Yes. This is what the Wahhabis and their Clones are doing precisely, because they follow Iblis, Satan, Shaitan.

            8. "The prophet (S.A.W.) said in a hadith reported by Imam At-Tirmithi, “The people whom I hate the most and who are the farthest from me on the Day of Judgment are those who talk uselessly, and those who put down others, and those who show off when they talk."

            This is precisely what the Wahhabis and their clones ate doing, Hate Others, who are non-Wahhabi. So, who is guiding the Wahhabis? The Iblis, Satan, Shaitan. This is what Wahhabis and their clones do;

            "What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach?. Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan.Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi M<Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews abs other people."

            "Did the Mecca Quran and the Medina Quran call for the killing of believers and non-believers, if they did not become Wahhabis?"

            Amarasiri's Question above is the same. Yes_____ or No_______

            Was this a Wahhabi, Iblis Innovation? Yes_____ or No_______

            "Based on the above injunctions I will desist any further involvement in this thread. "

            Don't you want the Work, and the Faithful to know the Truth about any connection between Wahhaism and its Clones and Iblis, Satan, Sahitan?

            Was it an Iblis, Satanic injunction?

            Remember ALL Wahhabies and Their Climes, Salafis Tauheedsis, Najadis, Deobandis, ISIS, ISIL, Taliban. Boko Haram Etyc. will end up in Hell Fire.

            GIVE UP YOUR WAHHABISM NOW. THE SAUDI PETRO-DOLLARS OR THE GREAT SATAN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE YOU IN HELLFIRE!

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            Dear J.Deane,

            All that I see here is not just sensible, it is wise.

            No comments, from those possessing greater knowledge than I have, are visible at this time.

            Thank you very much for your wise and re-assuring words, but please don’t withdraw from “further involvement”.

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    To all bigots,learn history before commenting:

    1.Who killed the aborigines in Australia: Christian cap:cook
    2.Who killed the native of Americas: Pope sanctioned killing Columbus and queen Isabella
    3.African slave trade ? Christian European creation
    4.first world war. Europe Christian
    5.second world war Europe Christian
    6.Europian invasion in India and Africa Christians
    7.Iraq war : George bush Christian
    8.Chineese cultural revolution: communist
    9.Russia under Stalin communist

    My point is Millions died under Christian or communist nonsense.
    Islam or Muslims were the victims in these genocides,
    Jihad is a must for the safety of this world.

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      @ Jehan

      Why not mentioned…??

      We kiled all Jews,Hindus, Christians in Saudi Arabia….

      We raped all their women and gave babies…and converted into Islam

      Thus we have made Saudi women with European look…

      Islam is the only fanatic sect preach killing and justify rape (Child marriage )

      Cheers

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      Jehan

      Go to U tube and Search Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Christianity and Richard Dawkins.

      You will have your answers.

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      Jehan

      “.African slave trade ? Christian European creation”

      How much do you know about Islamic/Muslim/Arab contribution to slavery?

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        Jehan and Native Vedda

        “.African slave trade ? Christian European creation”

        ” How much do you know about Islamic/Muslim/Arab contribution to slavery?”

        Who is behind?

        In the book God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, where he says:

        “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

        Is there a connection?

        Do the Muslims claim the same God? Has He mellowed when Islam was revealed?

        Evolution of God?

        Does the Theory of Evolution apply only to Humans and Animals, and not to Gods? Just curious about Evolution.

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          Dear Amarasiri,

          About slavery: the Arabs were heavily involved in obtaining slaves for the Europeans who transported them to the Americas, and sold them.

          I have worked in Oman. For almost three hundred years their wealth came from the slave trade.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Zanzibar

          Let me add, however, that I lived in remote villages of Oman, and the people were really nice, and so is the supposedly gay Sultan Qaboos bin Said bin Timur – I can’t remember his tribe at this moment!

          Many things happened in the past which are regrettable. Let us not condemn simplistically what were phases of nastiness; we, Sinhalese have ill-treated the Veddahs; let future generations that are distanced from the Eelam Wars analyse those, but by then, lots of details would have been lost. That is the reason why the world, not just Sri Lankans, should be grateful to Rajan Hoole:

          https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/the-states-complicity-in-murder-the-two-track-approach/#comments

          It matters little who points out the solutions. Let us embrace solutions since we want every human being to live happily in this world. Only “every human being”? What makes us so special? We have arrogated to ourselves this special importance, but Science has now begun to show us that we cannot possibly survive without the rest of Nature.

          But we have taken a step further, and it is we humans, perhaps, who have formulated a system of ethics; I feel that the insights are valuable, of a man who never travelled more than ten miles from his birthplace, Konigsberg, and he lived only about 250 years ago: CT discourages us from giving links: it’s not a bad thing for readers, especially Muslims, to read up about Immanuel Kant. On the subject of what is “good” what he has said has hardly been improved upon. Well, having read a little of him, I haven’t given the subject much thought!

          All our ethics, and that is what religions argue about half the time, would seem to apply only to humans. It is said that “Nature is red in tooth and claw”. But, really, the animal world may claim that there is killing in it only for the purpose of food or in the interests of genetics. That, also, Humans have in their pride decided is the case – but all of us have observed manifestations of the truth of that.

          I said “half the time”! The other half is spent not so much on metaphysical speculation so much as trying to convince ourselves that each of us reading this will have some existence eighty years from now. Why don’t we patiently wait eighty years to find out?

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            Sinhala_Man

            “About slavery: the Arabs were heavily involved in obtaining slaves for the Europeans who transported them to the Americas, and sold them.”

            Yes.

            In the ancient world, slavery was an institution, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Mongols etc., including the Americas. During the American Independence. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams recognized that, but due to political reasons, did not confront head on.

            It took the American Civil War, 1861-1865, to finally abolish slavery.

            Prophet Mohamed, to his credit, tried his best to abolish it. He did free a male Abysinian,(Ethiopian) Slave called Bilal. However, the Meccan and Arabian economies were dependent on the Slaves and the Slave trade, just like the American South before the Civil War.

            However, Prophet Mohamed recognized it was wrong and strongly encouraged to free the slaves, and gave certain rights to slaves, but not not all the rights,especially to women.[Edited out]

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    Unlike Hindus and Buddhists, Muslims didn’t wage war or insurgency in Sri Lanka. That makes Muslims the most peaceful people. Am I wrong?

    The world stage is confusing. Many powerful countries are using people who happen to belong to the Muslim community to get their political agenda. You cannot judge Islam by their conduct.

    Islam means the religion of peace. No one can dispute that. Sometimes you have to fight for what is right for the sake of protecting the innocents. You cannot run away from this responsibility. Call it by whatever name, it is a good thing.

    To all those who want to bash Islam, I invite you to learn Islam before making wrong claims. Islam is not about worshiping aliens with strange body features, worshiping trees, pouring milk on clay objects and kissing statues. Islam is scientific.

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      @ Fathima Fakusima ( wow Japanese Name)

      He He He

      It seems you are not only blind but also deaf…or still living thinking earth is flat as described by Quran

      Religion of Peace my foot fist is this a realign ,sect or ISIS of 4th century…

      You guys are minority among minority you can’t wage wars..but live on working with Sinhala army as spies

      Cheers

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      Look young lady (Fathima Fukushima),

      You invite us to “learn Islam”, but it looks as though all that you have read of this wonderful article are two words: “Islam” and “Peaceful”. on the basis of that bit of reading, without understanding anything else of the article, you spout all this nonsense!

      You are obviously a nice and decent person, so I don’t want to bash you, but I note with concern the contents of your third paragraph. So, you may start fighting me for absolutely no reason, is what I fear.

      Before contradicting me, would you please do me the favour of, at least, reading the article. Perhaps, you could also read some of my earlier comments:

      https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/is-islam-a-religion-of-peace/comment-page-1/#comments

      I know that all that the link that I have given you will do, is to take you to the earlier page. And Amarasiri, yet unidentified, makes better comments than me!

      May you learn Islam better, and also learn not to bash other religions – and learn some “science”!

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      Fathima Fukushima,
      How do you account for the Muslims who committed crimes against women and girls in Cologne (Germany), after receiving food, shelter and social benefits at the expense of hardworking taxpayers? Do you think Islam is a religion of peace. Here Muslims were waging a war in a barbaric manner on innocent women and girls. First, let the teachers of Islam teach their followers to respect the life style of other faiths.

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    Muslims are now harping on ‘Islamophobia’ of the West and allege that the West is campaigning to destroy Islam. Let us consider two countries that have been subjected to US aggression recently (1) Vietnam and (2) Iraq.

    Vietnam (VN): US wages a brutal war of attrition against North VN, a small and backward country, using non precision conventional weapons that cause huge casualties among the civilians in addition to chemical weapons such as Agent Orange, causing immense destruction to the environment. The NVN people fight back bravely, using their own people and with material assistance from the Soviet block. The US finally runs withdraws in defeat.

    Today VN is considered as a model for other developing countries in the region and is developing fast through the efforts of its own people. US and VN are friends now. There is no Vietnamophobia.

    Iraq: US invades Iraq with the connivance of its Arab neighbors. It uses precision weapons reducing civilian casualties to a minimum. Iraq army suffers a disgraceful defeat with its soldiers running away leaving everything behind. They only display cowardice and fear.

    Then comes 9/11 followed by ISIS recently. Followed by allegations of Islamophobia and a campaign against Islam.

    What is the difference?

    VN is a Buddhist country (a nontheistic religion), forgiving the enemy and forgetting the past. Does not make silly excuses. Does not depend on an unseen God to defend them.

    Iraq is a Muslim country (a monotheistic religion), never forgiving and never forgetting. Muslims all over use excuses such as Islamophobia and an international conspiracy against Islam. Probably they depended on their God too much.

    I leave the judgment to you.

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      Vietnam (VN): Vs. Iraq: A Comparison.
      VN is a Buddhist country (a nontheistic religion), Vs. Iraq is a Muslim country (a monotheistic religion),

      “What is the difference? ” Iraq 2 versions of Islam , Sunni and Shia, Christians, and Kurds., and Too many Ulemas and Mullahs.

      VN, One Version of People and one-Religion. Easy to Unite.

      Look at Germany and Japan.

      Also, the IQ’s are different.

      National IQ Scores – Country Rankings

      http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

      Rank
      ——– Country
      ———————– %
      ————-
      1 Singapore 108
      2 South Korea 106
      3 Japan 105

      Germany 99

      Vietnam 94

      Iraq 87

      Sri Lanka 79

      Q. Have you heard about the Islamic Science?

      Mongol Invasion of Mongols in 1258 and the Destruction of Baghdad?

      They went from building towers of heads to Buildings and the Empire of the Ottoman Turks, who are really Turkish-Mongols, who were nomadic peoples.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science

      In the Muslim world, many believe that modern science was first developed in the Muslim world rather than in Europe and Western countries, that “all the wealth of knowledge in the world has actually emanated from Muslim civilization,” and what people call “the scientific method”, is actually “the Islamic method.

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        I wonder whether you have ever spent time in the ME and would like to invite here to spend a couple of weeks with me. I have already invited my Guru and he has accepted.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          “I wonder whether you have ever spent time in the ME and would like to invite here to spend a couple of weeks with me. I have already invited my Guru and he has accepted.”

          No, not spent time in the ME. Anyway, thank you for the invitation. In the meantime, is it possible to solve the Schrodinger’s cat problem, and what revelation and reason say about the state of the cat?

          Middle East is now the Muddled East? Inn’t it where the great flood take place 6,000 years according to the Bible? By the way , I understand that the Babylonian civilization is 10,000 years old. Didn’t the Babylonians get into the Ark? Just curious!

          Has a long History.

          The Middle East (also called the Mid East) is a transcontinental region centered on Western Asia and Egypt. The corresponding adjective is Middle-Eastern and the derived noun is Middle-Easterner. Formerly, the Eurocentric synonym Near East (as opposed to Far East) was commonly used. Arabs, Azeris, Kurds, Persians, and Turks constitute the largest ethnic groups in the region by population, while Armenians, Assyrians, Circassians, Copts, Druze, Jews, Maronites, Somalis, and other ethnic and ethno-religious groups form significant minorities.

          The History of the Middle East dates back to ancient times, with the (geo-political) importance of the region being recognized for millennia. Several major religions have their origins in the Middle East, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; the Baha’i faith, Mandaeism, Unitarian Druze, and numerous other belief systems were also established within the region. The Middle East generally has a hot, arid climate, with several major rivers providing irrigation to support agriculture in limited areas such as the Nile Delta in Egypt, the Tigris and Euphrates watersheds of Mesopotamia, and most of what is known as the Fertile Crescent. Most of the countries that border the Persian Gulf have vast reserves of crude oil, with the dictatorships of the Arabian Peninsula in particular benefiting from petroleum exports. In modern times the Middle East remains a strategically, economically, politically, culturally and religiously sensitive region.

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            Yes, Schrodinger’s cat, and similar thought experiments are fascinating. Quantum Theory is based on the Principle of Uncertainty. I am not sure whether CT will allow us to go in to the subject in detail. I wish we had a way communicating directly on these things. Perhaps you could do that by getting my email address from the Editor CT as Dr Kumar David (My guru) did. I will send the Editor and email about that.

            Regarding things like uncertainty and action at a distant, which are parts of quantum theory, I read a nice puzzle set in the IESL News (Inst. of Engineers of SL) devised by one of their members on action at a distant. I will try to get its URL for you.

            Buddha said that all conditioned factors, both material and non material are subjected to Anicca (in fact Anicca, Dukkha, Anatma), where Anicca means Anitya or uncertainty. If you read or listen to any discussion on quantum theory, you are bound to be surprised by the similarities between their words and those of Buddha 2,550 years ago.

            Regarding the floods, I saw a non religious documentary, which concludes that the Ark landed in Bahrain in the ME. Bahrain also has connection with the Dilmun civilization around 6,000 years old. In fact Dilmun is one of the names used for Bahrain.

            Cheers!

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      The difference is oil

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        patriot

        “The difference is oil:” AND God Intoxication.

        According to God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, where he says:

        “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

        Why is that God had to pick only from the Middle East, when there were better suitable candidates in the Nile Valley, Indus Valley and in China?

        Just curious.

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    Islam is a religion living with fear,,,,,,

    A religion spread by sword ….is worrying about it…in this internet savvy world …

    This is why Islam ban other religion and books in Muslim countries…

    A good product does t worry about competition..

    Otherwise people know the truth …and change their faith..

    Begging infidel west for asylum is accepted in Islam…..

    Enjoying produce ,products of infidel west is ok…….

    Fanatics still in 4th century mode ..say a rape need 8 witness and a baby or child should live with father in case of separation… plus wonderful theory 1 man = 1/2 woman

    Send these Muslims back to 4th century …let them enjoy life before the discovery of oil and gas…

    Cheers

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    All religions are fantasy games. Their followers struggle to make them appear true, to themselves and to others. Religious scriptures might consist some wisdom, but the supernatural parts are all made up stories. When people agree that their god or gods are just an idea (it can exist only in the world of ideas, created by humans) humanity can prosper. Replace religion with philosophy and logical thinking. The sooner the better.

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    If people want to open there eyes, the biggest exploitation
    Of women takes place, in the western society, which the so called
    Sri Lanken elite aspire to be.
    1.movies depicting women as sex objects and second class are a norm on Hollywood ,
    2.rape ,is propergated through movies
    3.dress code for women even in the Vatican, shorts are allowed,men must cover up there knees.
    Go there see for your self- I am no joking.
    4.mums are addressed in the filthiest ways-
    5.Dads are not present, normally considered not necessary in a child’s life
    6.schools are a place of lack of morals,university is worse,with women being
    Encourage to sleep with many, marriage comes after trying out 10 men average.
    I think India is going the same way with Bollywood ,

    So people who speak highly of the western way of life-remember
    All will have to account to Allah- the one and only.
    Aithist can say whatever they want,as they don’t have brains,
    As they can’t see it.
    Idol worshippers should destroy there idols and see, what happens,
    Nothing, idols cannot do harm or good.
    Christians we accept Jesus as a messenger of God, but not son of God,
    As Allah cannot have sons or daughters, we are all his creation.
    Read the Quran ; think

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      Dear Jehan,

      You keep saying the same thing over and over again, regardless of where you post. Why don’t you try at least to fit your comment to the article which has generated these comments.

      IH is a very wise man, who is trying to give us what he rightly calls the fundamentals of Islam, (i.e. the most important aspects). He is certainly NOT trying to convert us all! You are, and nobody seems to bother even to point this out to you – so, I’m doing so!

      You keep attacking “aithist”: please understand at least this: the word of Greek origin “theist” denotes a person who believes that a god exists. Since it comes from Greek, when you put an “a” in front, it begins to mean “non”. So please at least spell the word correctly: “atheist”. Similar formations: “amoral” which has a different (perhaps worse!) meaning from “immoral” and “asexual”.

      Perhaps you consider those two words titillating: there are lots of others, but they are not just learn-ed words, they tend to be used by specialist in subjects. Slightly commoner words: abacterial, abaptism, abiotic, abysmal, atypical, atrophy . . .

      Go here: http://wordinfo.info/units/view/2838/page:23/ip:1

      I’d been “jumping”; my point is that if you are so unconcerned with the accuracy/relevance of what you write, please write less, and write after THINKING!

      What Izeth Hussain has succeeded in convincing us, who actually READ, is that there is much that is good in Islam; but he has achieved that by jettisoning your foolish notion that Islam is the only religion/ philosophy that can usefully guide us. If I have seriously erred in making this comment, he will, without doubt correct me.

      May Allah guide you both.

      May Jehovah guide the Jews (“Zionists” are a different lot!)

      May God guide Christians. (Calvinistic Fundamentalist are a different lot)

      May Siva guide Saivites.

      May the Dhamma guide Buddhists. (We should thank Allah for the announcement yesterday that Gnansara has “retired’ from Sri Lankan politics – news that seems too good to be true!

      Zeus guided the ancient Greeks (somewhat strangely, we now feel!) Socrates made much more acceptable (to us!) efforts, until he obediently drank the hemlock prescribed by the State of Athens.

      Jupiter guided the Romans – similarly!

      But apart from those “respectable” “religions”, I’m sure that there is an element of truth in whatever gods our Veddahs have, the Native Americans, the Aborigines, the Maoris, – how can we list all groups? And individuals fashion their own faiths.

      We are all groping for truths that elude the human mind. And that includes the brilliantly entertaining Richard Dawkins. Somebody had quoted from “The God Delusion”. Dawkins speaks brilliant English, with the most prestigious of English accents. I’m sure that description of the God of the Old Testament was partly meant to be a tour-de-force: listen to that on YouTube; it’s really entertaining:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovWs8JQN7FE

      Those 36 seconds are followed by a whole hour and a half of more entertainment:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0

      I’m not asking you to go along with all that, but at least be conscious of the need to engage the reader in something interesting!

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    Islam is perfect, there is nothing to be added or changed. (Abu Bakar Bashir). The little of what I have read in the Holy Quran, is also simple and precise. All T & C are comprehensively stated leaving nothing to doubt. Take for example, the death penalty for Apostasy. Someone has to be of sound mind and beyond a certain age to be charged for that. There is no doubt that it has been written by an extremely intelligent man in the style of a book of Law.

    But it is also true that its contents of the Holy Book is not Rocket Science or Quantum Theory. It deals with the much simpler day to day to problems of men and women.

    Therefore, it is very difficult to understand how the Holy Book can be understood by different parties in so many ways that are not only different but radically opposite.

    On the other hand, taking the first percept of Buddhism as an example, where one vows, ‘Panathi Patha Veramnai sikkha padan samadiyami”, there is no such confusion and consensus exists among almost all Buddhists about what it means: “I will not take the life of another living being”, where ‘beings’ could be humans, animals or even microbes and is a recognition of the fundamental right of life of all beings.

    Can someone such as IH explain why this problem of radically and dangerously interpretations persists in Islam?

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      Edwin Rodrigo -varying interpretations are not a problem peculiar to Islam. It is a problem in every world religion. In a seminar paper I presented about thirty five years ago on Ijtihad – independent reasoning in Islam – I cited the French philosopher Jacques Derrida who argued that words are defined in terms of other words and therefore there is no essence behind the word.I held therefore that varying interpretations of Islam would continue to the end of time.
      There are two aspects to a religion.One is to put human beings in relation to the transcendental. The other is to answer to human needs at a particular time. I believe that it is the latter aspect that leads to varying interpretations. – IH

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        IH says, The other is to answer to human needs at a particular time. I believe that it is the latter aspect that leads to varying interpretations. – IH

        To me it looks more like “The other is to answer to Muslim needs at a particular time.

        Whatever it may be, what is said in Holy Quran is contextual as admitted by IH. This in turn means that the contents are not absolute and are for all time. The interpretation changes when the level of knowledge (again a part of the context) advances.

        For example, it can be clearly seen that the Holy Quran treats the sun and the moon as similar in age etc. and is different except obviously in terms of brightness. It also was completely unaware that the moon light is the reflected light of the sun. Furthermore, the earth orbits the sun as we know now and not vice versa as said in the Quran.

        So where is the absoluteness or the timelessness of the Holy Book?

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    There is no God but Allah, and that’s a fact.
    All Greek Hellenistic thought is idol worship.
    Do not confuse, Islam is pure monotheism, to all man and jinn kind.
    Confuse people will always say human mind cannot blah blah blah
    This argument is invalid, as after the revelation of the Quran, every aspect of life is clear.

    That’s why I have said read the Quran translation, if Allah wills you will be guided.

    Think people : idol worship leads to hell fire

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      @Jehan

      “There is no God but Allah, and that’s a fact.”

      Well, you are entitled to your facts of course but there’s a bunch of other people claiming also that “No God but _________ (insert name of Deity here) and that’s a fact”

      My dilemma is how to figure out who is telling the truth.

      May The Force be With You !

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        maalumiris , RE: Jehan’s Comment

        “No God but _________ (insert name of Deity here) and that’s a fact”

        “No God but Iblis__ (insert name of Deity here) and that’s a fact”

        This is what Wahhabies and Their clones believe, based on their actions.

        Iblis = Satan, Devil, Shaitan, Licifer, Mara.

        Iblis is mentioned over 25 times in the Holy Quran. He is in competition with Allah. Iblis has recruited Wahhabies and their clones.

        Devil (Islam)

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

        In Islam, the Devil is known as Iblīs (Arabic: إبليس‎, plural: ابالسة abālisah), Shayṭān (Arabic: شيطان‎, plural: شياطين shayāṭīn) or Shaitan. In Islam, Iblis is a jinni who refused to bow for Adam.

        The primary characteristic of the Devil is hubris. His primary activity is to incite humans and jinn to commit evil through deception, which is referred to as “whispering into the hearts”. The Quran mentions that Satans are the assistants of those who disbelieve in God: “We have made the evil ones friends to those without faith.”

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    There have been more than 140 comments on IH’s article. Like a valiant soldier he has defended his faith bravely against all those who oppose his ideas (like me). I am sure Allah will bless him for that. But I think his more difficult task has been protecting ideas from his own supporters like Jehan, who seems to have no idea of what we or IH have been talking about.

    The point however is that I do not think that any of us on either sides have changed any of the ideas that we started with. All of us have been adamant and obstinate and resisting change. That is expected because religious ideas always have huge mental inertia.

    The problem with the atheists is their insistence and almost total dependence on interpretations. As Bernard Shaw said (changed slightly): No Muslim seems to believe that the Holy Quran means what it says. They are convinced that it says what THEY mean. They do it to such an extent that I will not be surprised if someone interprets the word ‘kill’ in the Holy Book as the same word written in reverse (‘llik’) and then changed slightly to become ‘like” finally.

    On the other hand atheist like me insist that the Holy Quran may show the believers the way to go to heaven but NOT the way the heavens (or planets) go. (based on Galileo Galilei).

    Thank you all for an interesting and thought provoking exchange of ideas.

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      Correction: The 3rd para should read as: “The problem with the THEISTS is their insistence and almost total dependence on interpretations….

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        EDWIN RODRIGO

        Given below is what Izeth Hussein said on January 13, 2016 at 6:52 am

        “Edwin Rodrigo -varying interpretations are not a problem peculiar to Islam. It is a problem in every world religion. In a seminar paper I presented about thirty five years ago on Ijtihad – independent reasoning in Islam – I cited the French philosopher Jacques Derrida who argued that words are defined in terms of other words and therefore there is no essence behind the word.I held therefore that varying interpretations of Islam would continue to the end of time. There are two aspects to a religion.One is to put human beings in relation to the transcendental. The other is to answer to human needs at a particular time. I believe that it is the latter aspect that leads to varying interpretations. – IH”

        Izeth Hussein says:

        “There are two aspects to a religion.One is to put human beings in relation to the transcendental. The other is to answer to human needs at a particular time. I believe that it is the latter aspect that leads to varying interpretations. – IH”

        Amarasiri is in Agreement with the above statement.

        1. Amarasiri is still of opinion that Izeth Hussein is the closest Muslim Philosopher we have in Sri Lanka who can explain, religion, Islam and human behavior, without being lost in Scripture and revelation blindly.

        2. The turning point for Islamic Philosophers, who valued the Greek Philosophers, happened around 1,200 with the arrival of Hamid Al-Ghazali, and the decline of Islamic science, when Revelation was raised above Reason, and killed free independent inquiry, very vital for science, courtesy the Ulama, the Religious “Scholars”.

        3. The Ulama, Mullahs and Imams are just scripture parrots, just recite-read, and the audience just listening dummies. May be, there are a few intelligent ones scattered around, and after some time they leave, being tired of listening to the reciting parrots, who keep reciting scripture, and some that had been abrogated.

        4. What the Muslims need today are more Intellectuals like Izeth Hussein, who can steer the Muslims into Reason, over Revelation and the Interpretation of Revelation for the current time. This hopefully will be the start of the dawn of Age of Reason for Muslims and the Enlightenment for Muslims.

        Until then, they will be in the Dark Ages, and the others will forge ahead.

        Remember Singapore and Sri Lanka, 1950s, vs. today. There is a 29 point difference in the IQ’s, and this 2 standard deviations, between 108 and 79.

        Similarly, unless the Muslims make the Age of Reason and Enlightenment correction, their IQ’s will drop too. We may already seeing this happening.

        Izeth Hussein, please do keep writing. This is an intellectual dispute that must be settled, that was settled in favor of the Ulama, the Religious “Scholars” due to political reason 800 years ago.

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    The problem with the Theists is their insistence and almost total dependence on interpretations. ……..

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      “The problem with the Theists is their insistence and almost total dependence on interpretations. ……..”

      CORRECTED:

      The problem with the Theists is their insistence and almost total dependence on Revelation and it’s particular interpretations. ……..

      So, if there was no Revelation, no Interpretation needed , and no Theists..resulting in …

      Unemployed Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Arch Bishops, Priests, Ulama, Mullah and Imams.

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    It’s unfortunate that the aithist in this forum are so backward,
    That quoting bs from 19th century, look what Stephen hawking
    Is now saying, in a round way he is saying Allah exist, with his theory
    Published last month on Quantum Physics.
    Read the Quran you will find it amazing with Allah guidance you might accept Islam.

    If not Hell is for you, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    SAMA means the universe we see with our eyes, there are 7 Sama each one infinite times bigger than the first.

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      Jehan, which out of these options you will accept:

      1- If Hawking says Allah exists you will accept it?
      2- If Hawking denies that Allah exists you too would deny it?
      3- You will go on believing Allah whatever Hawking says?
      4- you will not believe in the existence of Allah whatever Hawking says?

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        EDWIN RODRIGO

        Give Jehan, the Schrodinger Cat Puzzle, where Reason and Revelation may have 2 different answers.

        If Jehan has enough cats and boxes, one can statistically test the Results of any Revelation (Angel Gabriel is needed) and Reason (need somebody to open the boxes and count the “dead” cats).

        Then the Results can be compared. Is the Cat dead or alive?

        Quantum Mechanically, he may be stoned!

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          Ok. I will because you requested.

          But I don’t think he has enough brain cells to understand it. May be the cat will be able to understand it better.

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          Schrodinger’s Cat

          Well Jehan, this is a famous thought experiment, that leads to a paradox.

          There is this cat placed inside a black box. There are no windows, hidden cameras etc. for an outsider to observe what is going on inside the box. A total information firewall. There is also a radioactive source inside the box.

          A radioactive source is usually a collection of radioactive atoms, let us say Radium (Ra 223 isotope) in this case. Incidentally it was through Ra that Marie Curie discovered radio activity for the first time.

          I will go in to radioactivity if necessary later in some other comment, but right now we can say that this is a highly unstable atom with 88 positively charged protons trying to fly apart due to repulsions (like charges repulse while opposite charges attract) but the gravitational attraction of the protons and neutrons totaling 223 is also there trying to keep them together. The situation is similar to the one that we find in our National government today. Some within it trying to spit it apart and others trying to keep it together.

          The gravity normally wins because the probability of gravitational forces winning is a little higher than the probability of repulsive winning. Thus you find some of the atoms splitting apart producing deadly radiation while the others remain intact. This process continues until all the atoms decay in an exponential manner . This is called radioactivity and it is happening every second, every minute, every day of our lives with various types of radioactive atoms exploding like mini bombs around us.

          How strongly radioactive a material is, is measured by something called the half–life . For the Ra 223 the halflife is 11.4 days. Thus if we start off with 100 atoms of Ra 223, half will decay in 11.4 days. But please remember that this is a measure involving probability. The higher the number of atoms (say a trillion atoms) you start with, the higher is the probability of half of the atoms (half a trillion)decaying in 11.4 days. In another 11.4 a half of what is remaining (a quarter of a trillion) is expected to decay and so on. That is called exponential decay.

          But if you take one atom of Ra the uncertainty becomes more. It may decay in the next second or it may survive for another 10 years or even a billion years. Good news for National Govt enthusiasts because the one we have in our country is the one and only one in the world. OR IS IT REALLY? It can happen tomorrow!

          Taking the case of one atom, what Quantum Theory says is that the probability measure of decay is not just a statistical figure as we are used to know. It is a reality itself. If the probability of an atom decaying in a given time is 0.5 (50%), then that atom is in a quantum probabilistic state of half un-decayed and half decayed. How can we find out whether something is in such a state? To find out we have to open the box and look at the atom. If we do that then the so called ‘probabilistic function’ breaks in to a definite state of decay or non-decay. This means that we will never be able to see that state decay. But it is not a pigment of our imagination. It is quantum reality. The observer is tightly connected with the results of the observation.

          The quantum state exists only as long as no one is trying to ascertain whether it exists or not. The moment you try to observe it, it disappears like a ghost.

          This is rather funny because up to that time, science was trying to decouple the observer from the observation to get better unbiased results. But with quantum theory they find that it is not possible to do so. Luckily the quantum effects are having visible effects when you consider small objects such as atoms, protons, electrons and neutrons. With large collections of such small particles the probabilistic estimate becomes very accurate and hence the uncertainty diminishes, (but remember, it never become zero (i.e.) there is never certainty in anything. It is Anicca, Anicca, Anicca and more Anicca). That is why we do not see such things such as half dead cats in real life or half failed and half successful Yahapalayas! (No I take it back. That is exactly what we see!!! Ha! Ha!)

          Now we come back to the thought experiment. We have this cat and a single atom of Ra 223 inside. The decay of the atom is arranged to trigger the release of a poison that will kill the cat. As described above, the atom being a small and single atom of Ra, has this probabilistic distribution in time of decaying or not decaying.

          The question is what is the state of the cat? We have to conclude that it is neither dead nor alive but in some state in between!!! But if you are in a hurry to ascertain that, and open the box, the cat will be completely dead or completely alive. But it is not conclusive because the probabilistic function breaks down and becomes a definite possibility in the process of opening the box.

          You get it, Jehan?

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            CORRECTION

            Thanks CT Editor for publishing that. You have been so kind to allow this diversion. Please indulge me by publishing this correction too.

            Sorry guys, there is a mistake I just discovered. I wrote that using my memory and what we learned as undergraduates from Prof KKYW Perera, who taught us Nuclear Engineering in the EfAC, 50 years ago. Rather too long for even a Ra 223 atom to survive! I wrote it 95% from memory.

            I mentioned that it is the gravitational force that keeps the protons and neutron together. Big mistake. It is due to what is called the nuclear force, which is a very strong force and is due to the quarks which form protons and neutrons. Quarks were unknown when we were undergraduates. That is why I made that slip. Learned about it later. Did not bother us in the exams. Ha!Ha!

            There are 4 fundamental forces in nature. gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear. It is the strong nuclear force that keeps the nucleus together and acts between quarks which is at present considered a basic constituent of all matter.

            This force is quite different from others in that, it decreases in strength with distance unlike gravitational and electromagnetic forces. Gravitational forces become significant at long distances but are insignificant at small distances like what you find in an atomic nucleus.

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              EDWIN RODRIGO

              Thanks for the Tutorial to Jehan on Quantum Mechanics and the nuclear forces, and the fate of the Schrodinger Cat.

              Like the Application of the Cat’s state to the State of Yahapalanaya.

              Do you want to give him a simple tutorial on the duality of the photon and electron?

              What about the Standard Model and the Higgs boson, the so-called “God Particle” ?

              The Standard Model of particle physics is a theory concerning the electromagnetic, weak, and strong nuclear interactions, as well as classifying all the subatomic particles known. It was developed throughout the latter half of the 20th century, as a collaborative effort of scientists around the world.The current formulation was finalized in the mid-1970s upon experimental confirmation of the existence of quarks. Since then, discoveries of the top quark (1995), the tau neutrino (2000), and more recently the Higgs boson (2012), have given further credence to the Standard Model. Because of its success in explaining a wide variety of experimental results, the Standard Model is sometimes regarded as a “theory of almost everything”.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model#/media/File:Standard_Model_of_Elementary_Particles.svg

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

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                Amarasiri, I really enjoyed writing that because it was like a revision for me. Thanks for that. I would like to write about those new topics you mentioned too. But do you think the CT Editor would publish it, as we are now diverting far away from ‘Is Islam a Peaceful Religion’?

                Anyway, I hope Jehan found it useful.

                Edwin Schrodinger who devised that thought experiment was opposing the new quantum theory and wanted to show its absurdity by this experiment. Even Einstein opposed quantum theory to the end and said that ‘God does not play dice’ with the universe.

                What really happened though was, that it became a bridge between quantum reality and the ‘REAL’ reality that we are used to in REAL life. People may be willing to accept a minute atom in some sort of intermediate state between ‘half decayed’ or ‘half not decayed’ but not a cat, that they can see, touch and fondle, in a ‘half dead’ and ‘half alive’. The idea was simply too outlandish and flying against one’s common sense. But we have to accept it because quantum theory has become the most successful theory in the history of science, with all experiments proving its validity and none disproving it.

                To any one who still doubts the ‘truth’ about this sort of quantum reality, electrons (which we accept as particles) behaving like waves, I can recommend reading about the double slit experiment.

                Have you seen a billiard ball passing through two side by side holes at the same time? Of course not, and that is because the probability of that happening is extremely small. But remember that probability is not zero. It can happen.

                In the case of electrons it happens right in front of your eyes every time. That is because electrons are minute and their position is defined by a probability function, which has a big spread, compared to its size. Strictly speaking, what I said is not quite correct because the function spreads up to infinity in all directions around it. What I mean is that the value of the probability function is quite high in a large area around its central point. In the case of billiard balls the probability of finding it a few inches away is extremely small but not quite zero.

                The bottom line however is, billiard balls, elephants, people etc. are also smudged probability functions. But for all practical purposes we can ignore the smudge and consider these things as localized objects. In other words, you don’t have to be worried about your wife walking through the bedroom door and the bathroom door at the same time when you are with your girl friend. Thank God!

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

                A few years back the famous Scientific American magazine published an experiment that one can do at home using a laser pointer, a needle and a screen to illustrate the wave-particle duality of photons (light particles). I did this experiment found the results fascinating but again flying directly against my common sense.

                So may I go ahead with the subjects mentioned and write one more comment?

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      @Jehan

      “…… in this forum are so backward”

      That’s funny, it’s exactly what we were saying about you ! What a coincidence !

      You are complaining quoting 19th Century BS at you… but you are quoting 7th Century BS at us

      Can you show us where Stephen Hawking is saying what you claim he is saying ?

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    Very interesting observation on the comment of people who call themselves
    Aithist or Buddhist is that though Hell is never mentioned in there scripture s or belief system,
    They get angry when told Hell fire is waiting for non believers who don’t accept Allah(Thalla).
    This shows deep down they know they are in the wrong, but due to arragonce or forefathers religion, stupidity etc..
    They do not want to accept.

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      @Jehan

      What makes you think we are angry with you ? We are most certainly NOT.

      I for one like your medieval thinking and closed mind. And I wish for your posts to go on.

      You are avoiding to answer one single question that is asked of you. Instead you are just quoting the same words over and over.

      Maybe if you do it long enough, you will get different results.

      Boil Water, Pour onto tea leaves, get tea…. Repeat
      No matter how many times you do this, you will never get coffee !

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      Jehan

      “They get angry when told Hell fire is waiting for non believers who don’t accept Allah(Thalla).”

      Yes.

      Who are they? Wahhabies and their clones. They follow Satan, Iblis, Devil, Shaitan.

      The Wahhabies and the clones, Salafis, Tauheed, Najadis, ISIS, USIL, Taliban, Deobandi, Boko Harams get angry when they are told that they are deceived ny Iblis, Satan, Devil, and will end up in Hell on the Day of Judgement along with Iblis, Satan, Devil for killing Allah ( Subhana Wa Thalla) following, the Shias, the Sufis, the Ahmedias, the Christians, the Jews and other people of the book and others who have been sent messengers, 25,000 of them over the ages.

      References:

      1. Hadith of Najd

      According to two narrations in Sahih Bukhari, Muhammad asks Allah to bless the areas of Bilad al-Sham (Syria) and Yemen. When his companions said “Our Najd as well,” he replied: “There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head (e.g. horns) of Satan.” In a similar narration, Muhammad again asked Allah to bless the areas Medina, Mecca, Sham, and Yemen and, when asked specifically to bless Najd, repeated similar comments about there being earthquakes, trials, tribulations, and the horns of Satan.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      2. al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU

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    Couple of commentators (Edwin and Amarasiri) have quoted Richard Dawkins, an evangelical atheist and a radical opponent of Christian faith to judge Christianity. Instead, people should understand any religion by the messages contained its sacred texts (Scriptures) and traditions that sought to follow these texts by reading them (without bias) in their proper contexts and applying them accordingly. The author, Mr. Hussain makes two good points along the same lines of my argument – (a) read the sacred text in the proper context; (b) understand and follow traditions which adhered to healthy interpretations of sacred texts.

    In contrast, one can read an ancient sacred text without considering its context and language and end up with a wrong message and start a movement that heads in wrong direction. An unhealthy interpretation of text is often done by an a priori assumption or bias and by ulterior motive to manipulate religion to seek one’s own ends. There are several such misguided movements, practices in each religion. Since i am a Christian, i can give examples within my own tradition: the crusaders (11th-13th centuries), the colonial movement (lasted from 15th to middle of 20th century at various places), slavery (in the deep South US during 18th-20th centuries), apartheid in S.Africa and in general every time Christianity/the church colluded with state/political power (Medieval European politics). Yes, Christianity is guilty of this evil collusion with State time after time in history and of wrong interpretation and application of Scriptures. Every religion can trace a similar phenomena within their own tradition.

    But i want also point out with clear evidence, several movements which read and understood the Bible in a healthy manner (in proper context) brought many benefits and progress to the world. The anti-slavery movement which eventually abolished slavery in the whole British empire was headed by an evangelical Christian by the name of William Wilberforce. Remember in 1833, the British empire encompassed more than half the world, and this abolition put an end to slave trade and practice of slavery by making it a prosecutable crime. Prof.Robert Woodberry with National University of Singapore has published a landmark paper on the historical and statistical findings of the influence of conversionary Protestants in the development of stable democracies across the world. The civil rights movement in the US, human rights organizations, healthcare and humane societies find their roots in the Biblical understanding of creation and human dignity.

    Peaceful Muslims like Mr. Hussain and in like manner other religious counterparts who defend their religions should equally critique the violence and evil done in the name of their religions. This will make their apologetic voices more effective against the religious phobia they intend to thwart.

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    Allah seems to have assigned IH with Mission Impossible. May Allah bless him for his fortitude and single minded devotion with some help from Amarasiri who seems to bent on driving this distinguished- yet – frail old man mercilessly, for what end we do not know.

    Can IH explain the diametrically opposite declarations made by Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) in Mecca and thereafter in Medina? The time frame is supposed to be a few years.

    (1) Argue gently with the Jews, the Christians and the infidels. [70, Mecca]

    In Medina: Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax. [18, Mecca]

    (2) Tolerate the unbelievers and be at peace with them. [63,Mecca]

    Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.

    Ref: http://www.sillyallah.com/2008/02/islams-cult-of-allah-and-muhammads.html

    These are two of the particularly juicy ones among many.

    What was the reason for this vast change in the attitude of the Prophet?

    Compare this with the Teachings of Buddha made over 32 years of his life as the supreme teacher of humanity. Initially, this vast knowledge was transferred by word and later on committed to script. There is not a single discrepancy anywhere in the Dhamma. If anyone disputes that, I challenge him/her to come out with evidence.

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      “Allah seems to have assigned IH with Mission Impossible. May Allah bless him for his fortitude and single minded devotion with some help from Amarasiri who seems to bent on driving this distinguished- yet – frail old man mercilessly, for what end we do not know.”

      Agree that Izeth Hussein has been assigned with a Mission Impossible to Rescue Muslims and Islam from the Iblis, Satan, Devil following Wahhabis and their clones, who are committing Terrorism in the Name of Islam, and trying to get Muslims to end up in Hell, as per Islamic Theology, where Iblis, Satan will end up on the Day of judgement.

      This is a False Flag Operation by the Iblis, Satan, Devil using The Wahhabies and their clones. How many people are getting deceived?

      Indeed, it is really hard to fight the Devil and the Devil Followers.

      Question: Are the Wahhabies Victims as well? Are they possed by the Devil, Satan, Iblis?

      The contemporary term false flag describes covert operations that are designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them.

      Historically, the term “false flag” has its origins in naval warfare where the use of a flag other than the belligerent’s true battle flag as a ruse de guerre, before engaging the enemy, has long been accepted.

      Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, can (by extension) also be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

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        Hey Amarasiri, are you clairvoyant or something? The term ‘false flag’ is highly appropriate for the Sharmini Serasinghe’s article ‘Rein in the Clowns’. I was just thinking of a way to describe it. who are the people behind that raised flag?

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          “are you clairvoyant or something? “

          Not yet. Wonder if that is the highest state, Sophia-Nirvana, for Rationalist Philosophers.

          “The term ‘false flag’ is highly appropriate for the Sharmini Serasinghe’s article ‘Rein in the Clowns’”

          However, False Flag is deception. Amarasiri used False Flag to relate that to the Devil, Satan, Iblis Deceiving the Believers that it is God, who is giving the Revelations.

          Read about the The Satanic Verses.

          Were there other Satanic verses as well?

          According to Islam, Satan is let loose, and can created havoc until the day of Judgement, when he will be thrown into Hell. So he is recruiting.

          So far succeeded in recruiting the Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabis and their clones. In fact, 25% of the Saudi Arabia “M<Muslims" are Wahhabis. Not surprising since the Najad region is in Saudi Arabia, and there is a Hadith to that Effect.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

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        Are you one of those people who sees a conspiracy behind even a leaf falling from a tree. Are you suggesting that these killings are not really carried out by fanatic Islamists but by some other sinister organization or country.

        That would of course be the best excuse that IH could have used. Why go in to a song and dance about the infallibility of the Holy Quran and the Metta of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) when you can blame U No Hoo – the arch enemy of Islam. Why did you not advise IH to do so? By the way, the silence of IH is deafening and I really do miss him.

        Perhaps we can take a leaf (not of course the falling one that is behind the conspiracy) but the other leaf that you can take from your false flag story, and blame the alleged civilian casualties of the last days of the war on U No Hoo. It gets more and more interesting like a Tom Clancy Novel.

        Perhaps the problem was with the little blue book (not blue film – the blue film came later from McRae) describing the Human Rights Charter that Gota issued to the troops, to be carried in their right hand (or is it left hand?) – any way, in the hand that does not hold the gun.

        Has any one got a copy of the actual book that they carried. While trying to miniaturize it, the SL Government may have got something wrong. SL governments are usually prone to such silly mistakes, like the 100 day program – a huge mistake. Some say the mistake was not the program but the votes we cast for it.

        Anyway, coming back to the little blue book, it could have been a simple misprint or an omission perhaps like omitting the ‘NOT’ in ‘TRY YOUR BEST NOT TO HARM CIVILIANS‘. What a pity! They should have been given a copy of the Holy Quran or the Old Testament. There may be (note that I am saying ‘may be’ here for my own safety) many things wrong in those books, but on the treatment of enemy civilians they are quite precise and specific. Even the terms and conditions are given, leaving nothing to doubt.

        You know, Amarasiri, if the war ended these days we could have issued the troops with miniature MP3 players, which would go on and on repeating the darned charter. I do not know whether that would have increased the level of Metta in the minds of our guys or driven them mad. But one thing is certain. With both hands free to hold the gun, their aim would have been much better.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          This will keep you busy, busier than the Schrodinger Cat.

          Feynman on Scientific Method.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYPapE-3FRw

          Great Minds: Richard Feynman – The Uncertainty Of Knowledge

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkhBcLk_8f0

          Feynman: Knowing versus Understanding

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-zWTU7X-k

          Feynman: Mathematicians versus Physicists

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obCjODeoLVw

          R. P. Feynman on social sciences

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaO69CF5mbY

          Feynman: ‘Greek’ versus ‘Babylonian’ mathematics

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaUlqXRPMmY

          Richard Feynman explains the main differences in the traditions of how mathematical reasoning is employed between mathematicians and physicists.

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            Thanks for those URL’s. I will be certainly busy but enjoying watching them.

            Feynman happens to be my favorite scientist. Once on being asked by a journalist, whether he is sure that his theory on QCD (Quantum Chromo Dynamics) is correct, he replied “Even if it is actually correct, I can never be sure that it is correct. But if it is actually wrong then I can be sure that it is wrong”.

            This is the major difference between science and religion. Scientists rarely insist that their theories are correct and accept the possibility of them being wrong. On the other hand Religious leaders always insist that theirs is the only true religion and never accept that they could be wrong.

            Science thrives on doubt while theistic religions never tolerates it. Only Buddhism, the non theistic religion welcomes doubt.

            Some quotes of Feynman, which may interest readers:

            1) Things on a very small scale behave like nothing that you have any direct experience about. They do not behave like waves, they do not behave like particles, they do not behave like clouds, or billiard balls, or weights on springs, or like anything that you have ever seen.

            2) If we have an atom that is in an excited state and so is going to emit a photon, we cannot say when it will emit the photon. It has a certain amplitude to emit the photon at any time, and we can predict only a probability for emission; we cannot predict the future exactly.

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      “Allah seems to have assigned IH with Mission Impossible. May Allah bless him for his fortitude and single minded devotion with some help from Amarasiri who seems to bent on driving this distinguished- yet – frail old man mercilessly, for what end we do not know.”

      1. Agree this is an Impossible Task given the Data and History for Izeth Hussein to Solve, when for about 500 years after Prophet Mohamed, from 630 CE to 1250 CE, the Islamic Philosopher-Scientists and the Islamic Religious “Scholars”, could not hack it out, and finally the Religious Ulama won out because of political reasons. Same with Christianity and Buddhism.

      2. This is indeed a tall order to ask Izeth Hussien, and ask Amarasiri, the Egalitarian Rationalist Philosopher, to assist him given how long this problem has been festering.

      3. Amarasiri is going to invoke the blessings from Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Foucault to solve this puzzle, because they solved the riddle of the ancients and the Christian Church ( Joshua, Revelations) in the Sun going around the Earth and the Ancient Greeks fixation with Epicycles for the planets.

      4. That may not be enough. May need all the classical mechanics, and quantum mechanics with modern physics, and uncertainty principles to take a crack at this puzzle.

      5. Amarasiri is going to invoke the blessings of the simple photon, yes, light, and electron, yes, electron that runs our phones, computers etc., thanks to Michael Faraday, bad the Nestorian Christians, and the famous or infamous, Old and new Testament as well.

      6 May be can take some lessons from Velupillai Prabakaran and Mahinda Rajapaksa as to how they gave their revelations and actions in modern times in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

      Amarasiri is postulating, an “Explanation”. It is like the observation that the Earth rotates on its own axis, tilted and orbiting the Sun. Nothing about why the Earth is rotating on its own axis to begin with, and nothing about why it is orbiting the Sun. Only that the Ancients and the Christian Church are in error.

      Please remember this is not an apology, and Amarasiri is not an Apologist for the Wahhabis and their Clones or any other, who follow the Iblis, Satan, Devil.

      The postulations are many but there seems to be Duality. Is it true?

      1. The Meccan Quran was from God, the Good Guy.

      The Medina Quran was contaminated by Satan, Iblis, the Bad Guy.( Remember, Satanic Verses)

      2. The Medina Period was in a State of War, between the Muslims and others. Others were trying to annihilate the Muslims. This was survival. Infidel kill Muslims when they get hold of them, and the Muslims kill the Infidels when they get hold of them and they refuse conversion. Eye for an Eye.

      Prabakaran LTTE and and the Sri Lankan Armed forces did that to varying degrees. Actually the SL Army was worse. So were the Catholics to the Protestant during the religious wars. This was a state of war.

      3. When the Sate of War ended, this did not happen. The wars are more or less Arab Imperialism wars. Conquer and Loot. In fact the Arabs charged less taxes than the Byzantines, and many liked it.

      4. So, the time and context in which these verses were “revealed” need to be taken into account. However, it is rather unfortunate no new verses were revealed, abrogating the Medina verses, or saying that it is applicable only during a state of war. Amarasiri needs clarification from the “Religious’ Scholars here.

      Then, the question arises, are the Muslims always in a State of War, with no periods of peace? Is Islam a religion of peace or of Submission? Duality?

      5. Duality. The Photon, Electron all show duality. A wave, a particle or something else when in between. Is the Schrodinger cat dead or alive? Can Revelation or Reason tell us?

      6. Duality: Nestorian Christians say Jesus is Dual, Divine and Human.

      7. Trinity.The other Christians say Trinity. God, Son and the Holy Ghost.
      1+1+1 =1: 3×1 = 1 and 1x1x1 =1, Trinity = Unity = God.

      8..What does the standard Model say, and where is the “God” Particle, the Higgs boson?

      9.. The Satan, Iblis, Devil Following Wahhabis and their Clones have a simple answer. Just take the Verses, literally, and follow. If it says kill kill, applicable to all times and environments, on Earth, on Mars and on the Moon.

      10. The Wahhabis and their clones, go one-step further. They innovate and put in their own interpretations, based on instructions from Satan, Iblis, Devil.

      Yes, the Devil is in the Details, but need more time to tie up the details.

      The 10 postulations may not be perfect, but better than the 10 Commandments of Moses, given to him by the Bush, (Not George Bush of Axis of Evil Fame/Notoriety)

      This is indeed a tall order to ask Izeth Hussien and ask Amarasiri, the Egalitarian Rationalist Philosopher, to assist him given how long this problem has been festering.

      The continuing Reason Vs. Revelation debate.

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        I am really upset by a certain part of your reply : “Prabakaran LTTE and and the Sri Lankan Armed forces did that to varying degrees. Actually the SL Army was worse.

        As I know that you are not the type of person who would make such a statement without credible evidence, I would like to know what they are.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          Amarasiri Said: “Prabakaran LTTE and and the Sri Lankan Armed forces did that to varying degrees. Actually the SL Army was worse. So were the Catholics to the Protestant during the religious wars. This was a state of war.”

          EDWIN RODROGO Says:

          1. “I am really upset by a certain part of your reply : “Prabakaran LTTE and and the Sri Lankan Armed forces did that to varying degrees. Actually the SL Army was worse.“

          2. “As I know that you are not the type of person who would make such a statement without credible evidence, I would like to know what they are.”

          Question:”Actually the SL Army was worse.”

          1. Is this True or Not true? How do you measure? Can I be a skeptic? Yes, hurt feelings. What did the Enlightened Buddha say about the Truth?

          http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/anger.htm

          For this reason, when we become angry we must take great care not to act on our anger to hurt others. We must also take care not to hang on to our anger and give it a place to live and grow.

          You have acknowledged your anger, and you have examined yourself to understand what caused the anger to arise. Yet you are still angry. What’s next? Feynman Lectures? Scientific Method?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYPapE-3FRw

          On a relative basis, Amarasiri used the casualties. The Total Causalities of Tamils vs. Total Casualties of Sinhala and Muslims. On that basis, it looks like more Tamil Civilians and combatants died compared to the Total Civilian Sinhala and Muslims and the combatants from the Army. The Civil War took place primarily in the North and the East.

          2. Yes, while Amarasiri is skeptical about the numbers, given by both sides, the fact remains that the truth is bitter. There are a lot of war Criminals walking the street and roads of the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

          3. This is an area where Amarasiri’s information is limited to what is publicly available. There may be others, eyewitnesses, who are closer to the truth and throw light as to Amrasiri’s statement, if True or False. Still the actual casualty numbers are still unknown or disputed. However, we are are glad this phase in History of the Land of Native Veddah Aethho is over.

          Sri Lankan Civil War ( Aka the Para-war in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho)

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

          4. ” For over 25 years, the war caused significant hardships for the population, environment and the economy of the country, with an initial estimated 80,000–100,000 people killed during its course.[14] In 2013, the UN panel estimated additional deaths during the last phase of the war totalling “around 40,000 died while other independent reports estimated the number of civilians dead to exceed 100,000.”[17] During the early part of the conflict, the Sri Lankan forces attempted to retake the areas captured by the LTTE. The tactics employed by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam against the actions of Government forces resulted in their listing as a terrorist organisation in 32 countries, including the United States, India, Canada and the member nations of the European Union.[18] The Sri Lankan government forces have also been accused of human rights abuses, systematic impunity for serious human rights violations, lack of respect for habeas corpus in arbitrary detentions, and forced disappearances.”

          5. In the absence of credible data and observations, we have to go with what the ancients said, as reported, the Sun goes around the Earth.

          The Civil War is water under the Bridge. Amarasiri is more interested in making an impact in solving current burning issues, such as Terrorism of the Wahhabi-Satan Clones who are misleading the Muslims, and the Imperialism of the Great Satan and his cronies, globally, especially in the Muddled Muddle East.

          6. There was an interesting article, that said: ( What if question, Water Under the Bridge)

          Sri Lankan Civil War: What If the Tamil Tigers Weren’t Labelled as ‘Terrorists’?

          How labeling a group influences the standards of civilian protection in wartime is a pertinent question. By Ambika Kaushik.

          http://thediplomat.com/2015/07/sri-lankan-civil-war-what-if-the-tamil-tigers-werent-labelled-as-terrorists/

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            Rest assured that anger was not the emotion that I had. I can say that it was surprise and disappointment because I was expecting you to be more careful when quoting figures in such a sensitive issue. I have seen an estimate that was based on a better foundation than what you have used. I will try to find it and post it here.

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              EDWIN RODRIGO

              “I can say that it was surprise and disappointment because I was expecting you to be more careful when quoting figures in such a sensitive issue.”

              “I have seen an estimate that was based on a better foundation than what you have used. I will try to find it and post it here.”

              If you do, please let people know. People will go with the last update. Amarasiri went with the last update available. Why wait this long, if you had the accurate numbers?

              Agree that was very sensitive and emotional for all sides, the Tamils the Sinhala and Muslims who were killed and expelled. Everybody want justice. It is rather unfortunate 6 years after the War, this chapter was not closed by Sri Lanka, because they wanted to protect the War Criminals.

              However, Sri Lanka Civil War excesses was not the only Item that was addressed. There were 10 postulations, that each group will feel very uncomfortable with. However, if they are facts, they are facts. Certainly the Wahhabies and their Clones do not like them to be depicted as followers of Satan, based on the actions and data, and the Catholics about their atrocities against the Protestants and others, especially Jews. Why did the Jews leave Spain and get to the Ottoman Empire or Ottoman Caliphate that was Muslim?

              Have you heard about the 95 Theses of Martin Luther which he nailed to the door of the Church? Naturally, the Pope and the Clerical hierarchy did not like it.

              The 95 Theses Die 95 Thesen

              Out of love for the truth and from desire to elucidate it, the Reverend Father Martin Luther, Master of Arts and Sacred Theology, and ordinary lecturer therein at Wittenberg, intends to defend the following statements and to dispute on them in that place. Therefore he asks that those who cannot be present and dispute with him orally shall do so in their absence by letter. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

              http://www.luther.de/en/95thesen.html

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              EDWIN RODRIGO

              “I have seen an estimate that was based on a better foundation than what you have used. I will try to find it and post it here.” .

              Thanks. As an engineer, you know you need to normalize.] the casualties.

              So, if TK = Tamils killed over the 25-year Civil War

              If SK = Tamils killed over the 25-year Civil War

              If MK = Tamils killed over the 25-year Civil War

              and TT, TS and TM represent the Total Tamils, Total Sinhala and Total Muslims, then please express, the true casulty figures you have as

              Tamils Sinhala Muslim

              Total Killed TK SK MK

              Total Population TT TS TM

              Ratio TK/TT SK/TS MK/TM

              You may express the numbers per million, per 100,000 or per 10,000 population.

              You may find TK/TT >> SK/TS or MK/TM

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              EDWIN RODRIGO

              “Rest assured that anger was not the emotion that I had. I can say that it was surprise and disappointment because I was expecting you to be more careful when quoting figures in such a sensitive issue.”

              It is attachment that causes pain. It is our attachment and your attachment to figures that causes pain, but this is a pain that must be treated and cured. It is quite clear that this pain of figures have not been treated and the country has not moved on, yet, a wound that has not healed, and that is why it is still a sensitive wound.

              Some are attached to figures, some to God, some to scriptures etc.

              Stupidest Muslim Vs Neil Tyson – How ideology can ruin intellectual power

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84

              Neil Tyson tired of God

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHefbIgKxk

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                It is attachment that causes pain. It is our attachment and your attachment to figures that causes pain, but this is a pain that must be treated and cured.

                For me they are not just numbers or statistics. I cannot forget that every number is someone’s child, or parent, sibling, husband or wife and so on. The pain of a mother does not depend on whether the person is a Sinhalese, Tamil or Muslim. The love of a mother is bigger than the great ocean (as per Buddha) and knows no bounds. For a mother, her dead child is not a number. It is her whole world – her whole universe.

                I want to get the facts and accurate numbers are part of the facts. Having said that, I think even one casualty is a casualty too many.

                If that means attachment to numbers then so be it. If that makes me a non intellectual so be it. If it makes me an ideologist, so be it too. I have no intention of shedding my attachments. In fact attachments are the driving force of my life. I would rather be dead in a ditch than a person living with no attachments.

                I am not even a Buddhist. I am a puthujjana. Not just a puthujjana but a Mithyadrushtika puthujjana. I have no
                intention of seeking Nirvana. I do not even believe in an after life. No sermons are going to solve my problem.

                It can only be solved if one day a Buddhist priest sits down with a Buddhist congregation and gives the merits (pin) to all those who died in that war, the Tamils, Sinhalese, Muslims, combatants, civilians and even Prabhakaran and wishes that none of them ever suffer such violent deaths again in their journey through Samsara.

                I do not believe in Samsara. But they do, don’t they?

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                  EDWIN RODRIGO

                  “For me they are not just numbers or statistics.”

                  For me too, they are not just numbers or statistics, as I knew and was familiar with some of them and the deal ones left behind. Are we going to keep blaming the European colonialist, or just the politicians since independence.

                  “I am not even a Buddhist.”

                  ” I do not believe in Samsara. But they do, don’t they? “

                  What are you? Do you want to try out Zeuss?

                  http://www.greekmythology.com/Olympians/Zeus/zeus.html

                  You are Star matter. The heavy metals, the minerals they were formed in Supernovas, about 12 billion years ago, and spread across the universe and picked up by our solar system and ended up on Earth.

                  Your ancestors crawled out of the water 370 million years ago, because it was not safe to be in the water. Over the past 370 million years your Samsara has taken you to the Land of Native Veddah Aethho and elsewhere. These events happened well before Buddha, Krishna, Allah, Yahwah, Zeuss and many others.

                  So you are part of this eco system. You have dined on the fauna and flora, when you were on your Samsara. On your next journey to the next Samsara, it will be good to return what was taking in during this Samsara, so that another “being” can use it as raw materials for its next cycle, Samsara.

                  Neil deGrasse Tyson answers a religious troll

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCZUfnK1J0

                  Neil deGrasse Tyson stops a religious troll (w/captions

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afGkv0IT4dU

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                    Amarasiri,

                    Q:“I am not even a Buddhist.” ” I do not believe in Samsara. But they do, don’t they? ” What are you?

                    A: You now know I am a Gabanist.

                    Q:Do you want to try out Zeuss?

                    A: Zeus. Zeus? mmmhhh. Wait a minute now. I vaguely remember Gaban mentioning the name. Oh yeah! He was kicked out of Gaban’s kitchen for dipping in to Kiri Peni pot.

                    Q: You are star matter….

                    A: Now you are talking.

                    Q: So you are part of this eco system. You have dined on the fauna and flora, when you were on your Samsara. On your next journey to the next Samsara.

                    A: Gaban is laughing and I am laughing. That is the stuff that Buddha submitted in his thesis to qualify as an Avatar of Gaban. Bull Shit for BS on Dhamma. Don’t believe a word of it.

                    Q: On your next journey to the next Samsara,

                    A: What kind of BS is that? Or is it MS (More of the Same). Next Samsara? We have enough trouble handling one Samsara and you want to bring in another? Are you a Muslim by the way? That is the kind of stupid thing that Muslims do. They marry one, have trouble in handling that one, and then go on to marry 6 more!!!

                    Q: so that another “being” can use it as raw materials for its next cycle, Samsara?

                    A: You think Gaban has to recycle? Get a life man. Gaban creates matter and anti matter both. Just waves his hand and quarks and gluons appear in their quadrillions.

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                  EDWIN RODRIGO

                  “For me they are not just numbers or statistics. I cannot forget that every number is someone’s child, or parent, sibling, husband or wife and so on.”

                  I know some of the people who died. I know some of the widows and some of the orphans, and some of those who were expelled by the ethnic clensing.

                  Also know some of those who were victims, even before the Civil War started.

                  So, this was what out Leaders since independence delivered us? Even though , Sri Lanka is in a better shape than some of the countries in the Muddle Middle East, partly due to the Great Satan, this is no excuse.

                  The problem has not been fixed yet.

                  1948-1972: No State Religion: Relatively Peaceful, Unitary State.

                  1973-2009: State Religion- Buddhism, Special Place: War and Terrorism, Sinhala Buddhist Monks Running amok, Civil War, 100,000 to 150,000 dead, Millions displaced.

                  Thank you Enlightened Buddha, Thank toy Monk Mahanama of Mahawansa, your blessings to the Dhamma Deepaya, Faith Island.

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                    “1948-1972: No State Religion: Relatively Peaceful, Unitary State. 1973-2009: State Religion- Buddhism, Special Place: War and Terrorism, Sinhala Buddhist Monks Running amok, Civil War, 100,000 to 150,000 dead, Millions displaced.”

                    Statistically there is no correlation here. If you try this kind of very loose correlation, may be you can conclude that all world terrorism et-al started with Buddhism becoming the state religion in Sri Lanka.

                    That makes your conclusion a case of No statistics, No statistics. Only Damned Lies!

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