20 October, 2020

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Did Northern Provincial Council Snub Wigneswaran?

By S. I. Keethaponcalan

Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan

Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan

The Northern Provincial Council (NPC) passed a resolution in April 2016 calling for the introduction of a federal structure in Sri Lanka to accommodate political demands of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. The genesis of the resolution was the proposals called the Report of the Sub-Committee on Finding a Political Solution to the National Question, presented by a group appointed by Chief Minister Wigneswaran. The group, which represented the Tamil People’s Council (TPC), handed over its report to Wigneswaran in February 2016. The TPC was a creation of Wigneswaran, the committee was appointed by him, and the radical views expressed in the report reflected Wigneswaran’s current ideological leanings. Therefore, Wigneswaran could have been the architect of the report.

Based on some of the suggestions made in the report, this author considered it arrogant and dangerous. In an article entitled Is TPC Proposals a Re-radicalization Scheme, this author argued that the TPC report has the potential to re-radicalize Tamil politics. The fact that it was Wigneswaran who moved the recent resolution created the impression that TPC proposal was presented and adopted by the NPC. I was eager to compare the two documents.

Report and the Resolution

Surprisingly, a closer look at both documents revealed that many of the radical (and unrealistic) elements of the TPC proposals have been dropped from the NPC resolution. For example, the TPC report wanted a pre-constitutional pact like the Dayton and Good Friday Agreements. We have already pointed out that both of these agreements were signed when the parties still retained their military capacity. The Tamils have no military power now and they also lack the capacity to pressurize the government. Hence, these agreements were wrong examples and perhaps the TPC Committee was blind to the prevailing realities. The Resolution avoided reference to Dayton and Good Friday deals and only proposed an “initial agreement,” which recognizes the rights of the Tamil people in the North-East.Wigneswaran

A striking difference could be found in relation to the demand for the right of self-determination. The TPC report, in fact, was built on the notion that the Tamil people must have the right to self-determination and it must be recognized by the new constitution. The overemphasis of the idea was evident from the fact that the report used the term “self-determination” at least 11 times. This, obviously had Wigneswaran’s blessings. The NPC resolution on the other hand used the term only twice. First, when it referred to the Oslo Principles of 2002. It was however, not framed as a demand, but reminded the government of the agreement reached in 2002. The second time the term was used to say every federal unit within the Sri Lankan state should have the right to “internal self-determination.” The TPC’s self-determination was only for the Tamil people. This shift, in my opinion, is significant and should be noted by the government.

Diluted?

The resolution also dropped the notion that “no other part of the country makes claim to maximum self-government.” The TPC Committee suggested that only the Tamils could claim “maximum” self-rule. It was not clear why the TPC Committee thought that the Tamils should decide what the other communities should or should not get. Therefore, dropping this clause was a reasonable move made by the NPC.

The Resolution also discarded some of the impracticable ideas presented in the TPC report. For example, the notion that the North-East should have a separate unit within the Sri Lankan embassies abroad to promote Tamil interest, was not included. The powers the TPC Committee proposed on such subjects as police, land and higher education have been watered down drastically.

The resolution, essentially proposes a federal solution with a merged North-East Province. If the government is willing to engage the Tamils in search of a lasting solution to the ethnic conflict, the Resolution could very well serve as a point of reference. It offer a basis for discussion. The Resolution emphasized that the government, when preparing the new constitution, should take the NPC “policy proposals” into consideration. It resolved “that the new constitution or proposal for political solution prepared by the Government must take into consideration” the policy proposals adopted by the NPC. Therefore, it seems, this resolution has been passed as a discussion paper rather than a set of demands.

Hence, it is clear that the NPC Resolution was a greatly watered down version of the TPC proposals. A significant question would be, why did Wigneswaran move a diluted draft for adoption by the NPC? Was he under pressure to compromise? Or did the TNA intervene tacitly? Answers to these questions would shed light on the current political trends and power dynamics within the Tamil polity. What is clear is that the NPC has adopted a moderate stance with regard to constitutional reform and devolution of power, compared to Wigneswaran’s outfit.

Mutual Respect

Constitution making is a serious business. The Tamils need to understand the meaning and long term implications of what they do with regard to this issue. Their actions and proposals could have very long term consequences. Sir Ponnampalam Ramanathan’s refusal to accept the Muslims as a distinct community and his assertion that Muslims are religiously different Tamils are still being used against the Tamils. What Tamils are proposing now could be used against them in the future.

The NPC Resolution raises a number of questions in this regard. For example, the Resolution proposed autonomous regions or units for Muslims in the North-East and the Up Country Tamils. According to the Resolution, these councils would have “full powers of devolution to attend to their own affairs.” The question is, what right do the Tamils have to offer solutions to other communities? Did Wigneswaran or the NPC discuss these proposals with the communities in question before making the recommendations? Why do they think that they should speak on behalf of the Muslim and Indian Tamil communities? Do, they think that Indian Tamils could not act to pursue their own interest? This clause, obviously demonstrates a lack of respect for other minority communities. The Tamils have a tendency to include token slogans for Indian Tamils in important documents. For example, the Thimpu Declaration, a statement made by a number of Tamil rebel movements in 1985, demanded “right to citizenship.” I am not sure that the present Tamil leadership understands why these symbolic gestures are made. What is required is dialogue and partnership; not unilateral assumptions.

Nevertheless, the NPC proclamation that autonomous units should be established for the Muslims and Up Country Tamils has already been criticized. A number of Indian Tamil leaders and Muslim writers have condemned the resolution. The NPC’s approach and attitude have the potential to create further divisions between or among communities. The proposal could ignite tension between not only the two Tamil communities, but also between the Sinhalese and Up Country Tamils. Solutions for Up Country Tamil problems should emerge from within the community and dialogue between the community leadership and the government.

In fact, the Indian Tamils have proved that they are far more effective in resolving their issues politically than the Sri Lankan Tamils. They effectively used parliamentary politics for their advantage. The Sri Lankan Tamils could learn a thing or two from the Up Country Tamil Community. The NPC, should have known better and have some explanations to do on this issue.

*Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan is Chair of the Conflict Resolution Department, Salisbury University, Maryland.

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    “The Srilankan Tamils could learn a thing or two from the Up Country Tamil Community”. Very interesting. The author thinks the North and East Tamil population should follow the bum-sucking style of Thondaman and Douglas Devananda.

    If they follow the author’s advice he thinks perhaps the army will stop occupying the North, there won’t be any torture and abduction, the introduction of illicit drugs and alcohol to Tamil youngsters will stop and Sinhala colonization of North and East will end and Buddhist statues will not sprout all over Tamil regions.

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      Sri Lankan Tamils or Eelam Tamils are indigenous to the land and are not immigrants like the Indian origin Estate Tamils or the Tamil or Sri Lankan Muslims. Just like the Sinhalese they are an ancient nation in the land with their own lands and territory and should get the same respect and rights like the Sinhalese. Like the Scots and Welsh in Britain. They do not have to grovel like the Indian origin Tamils or backstab like the Sri Lankan Muslims for their rights.
      This is the vast difference and this author does not unferstand

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        Tamils in north were brought to SL by the Dutch. The jaffna kingdom started by Kalinga Maga existed only 2 centuries.

        There is NO record of a tamil kingdom prior to that in any source local or foreign

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          “There is NO record of a tamil kingdom prior to that (Jaffna kingdom) in any source local or foreign”

          What about the Northern kingdom of Anuradapura ruled by many Tamil kings, what about the Eastern kingdom of Polonnaruwa (the capital and the kingdom was built by the Chola king Rajendra Chola). None of those kingdoms were ever known as Sinhala kingdoms and none of those kings were ever known as Sinhala kings.

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            Northern kingdom Anuradhapura was never ruled by Tamils except by invaders. That was just a period under invasion nothing else. Anuradhapura culture is still alive among Sinhalese. Had Tamils were in Anuradhapura or ruled it they will no longer be Tamil but Sinhala. When Anuradhapura kingdom was finally ransacked by Chola kings they mentioned they killed defeated the SInhala king in their inscriptions and even gave themselves a title called Singalanathan…not once but twice…

            Even the sinhalese are mentioned in Allahabad inscription :) there was no Tamil ethnicity then :)

            Polonnaruwa is the ancient Kadurugoda ( there is another one with the same name now) or Wijithapura in Anuradhapura. It was just a small city in Anuradhapura. While it is true Cholas made Pollonnaruwa their centre of Admin it is similar to British upgrading a city in one of their conqured alien city in another country.

            Polonnaruwa is close to ancient welgamwehera temple which has both Sinhala and Tamil inscriptions. Even the Tamil inscription mention the name as Welgamwehera…..:) it will never be a Tamil name..

            The only way Tamils try to rob the history of Sinhala people is by adding an N or M at the end of ancient names. You know what the Sinhala then who killed tamil invaders were a Gotabhaya from Giruwapattu..and again this time also it is a Gotabhaya from Giriwapattu…we are same people….That gotabhaya and this gotabhaya come from the same ethnic block…

            First Sinhala literature in SL was written in 9 AD…Sigiri graffiti itself is from 8 AD. That is a well developed language. Even an educated Sinhala can read and understand the verses in Sigiri graffiti….:)

            What does Tamils have in this country? The oldest literature in Tamil is not longer than 17 th century done with whose help? Dutch :)

            If you come to debate on history come well prepared lets do it.. i am knowledgable on eelam propaganda very well

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              Your ignorance and the stories in Mahawamsa make you bliss with Sinhala domination claimed because of superior numeral incident and glorified hybrid injection of the wild king. There are many things written in your olden stories are incredible and intended to marginalise the oldest inhabitants of the island.

              Anyone who ignores the geographical neighbourhood of Tamils next door and their chronological order in sea faring in preference to the accidental landing a disowned prince and his mates of Orissan or Bengalese provinces from 2,500 miles away can only be selfish and dishonesty. Tamils have always been seafarers as even the masters British use the Tamil word catamaran to refer to the twin-boat and as such, does anyone mean, they waited to land and settle in the island shores until Vijaya set foot first? Are you out of your mind? Even today fishermen from Tamilnadu fish in Northern waters and get arrested.

              Apart from all these arguments of who settled first and who came later, think of the realities that there are three major communities who speak two languages and want to live in peace. Also think of Europeans who migrated to America, Australia, New Zealand etc., just two-centuries ago and how they develop and live in relative harmony and prosperity in a Federal system and try to learn rather than destroying this small island with your petty mindedness and superior complex.

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                Just like every Tamil propagandist do you also assume that I base my argument on Mahavamsa, right?

                I am ready to teach Tamils , history of Lanka the Sinhala homeland’ ABCs. Let’s start from baby steps because since GGs gave a different version of history of Lanka to tamils we see killings and terrorism.
                Mahavamsa is just a single source of history in SL while there are many sources for history in SL. The chronicles, rock inscriptions, ancient ruins, foreign sources are used to understand the history of SL. Out of many chronicles, Mahavamsa is only one of them and a very important source. Got it?

                Therefore when I talk about history of SL , it is not purely from Mahavamsa but based on many many sources of history. And remember Mahavamsa ( which you bash and take information from when it is convenient) is a very authentic source when it comes to understanding the history of SL. No one who studies SL history will ignore Mahavamsa and it is obvious with the importance all historians both local and foreign have given to it.

                Yes we lived next door to Tamils a giant population and we faced many invasions from them. Many tamils’ argument is as SL lived close to TN , SL should have been Tamil. Yes Tamils came to SL some fought with us and ran away and some became a part of us. Have you ever wondered even being a sea faring nation ( Cholas, not Tamils  ), why could not they make SL tamil? Because there was an already strong civilization in SL that repulsed colonization from TN. Had there was no civilization in SL, SL would have been tamilised. But the reason it did not was because the people in SL had a different civilization already and they protected it to the last drop of their blood.

                First you mention Mahavamsa as making people ignorant and then you yourself talk about events from Mahavamsa  That is why I told you Tamils bash and treat MV as word of god depending on the convenience. The stories of Orissa may be true or may be not. While we can argue SL did face immigration from North India, it is again mentioned that they mixed with the local Yakka people and contributed to the civilization there. Mvamsa had being unfair to the Kingdom of Rohana in deep south where Magampura is the capital. That is one weakness in Mvsa. But it is pretty clear the NI immigrants got absorbed to the prevailing culture in SL.
                Your point about TN fishermen is extremely stupid and I don’t thing I should spend any time on that

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                  sach

                  “Have you ever wondered even being a sea faring nation ( Cholas, not Tamils  ), why could not they make SL tamil? Because there was an already strong civilization in SL that repulsed colonization from TN. Had there was no civilization in SL, SL would have been tamilised. But the reason it did not was because the people in SL had a different civilization already and they protected it to the last drop of their blood.”

                  What a load of bull crap.

                  Everything changed in Sri Lanka after they adopted the new religion (Buddhism), a new culture (Buddhist culture), a new language (Prakrith/pali) and a script (Ashokan Brahmi), only after the Indian Emperor Ashoka sent his missionary monks led by Mahinda to convert King Muta Siva’s (muta means elder in Tamil and Siva of course everybody know) son Prince Tissa.

                  What the Sinhalese call as Hela people were Tamils of different tribes and Veddas. The Mahavamsa author picked up some names such as Naga, Yakksha, Deva, Sinhala, etc. from the Indian Sanskrit text Mahabaratha and named those local Tamils and Veddas.

                  A group of scholarly Buddhist monks of the Mahavihara in Anuradapura lead by Ven. Mahanama thero (an uncle of King Dhathusena), observing two groups of people in the 5th century A.D. – Hindus, speaking Tamil and the converts (Buddhists) speaking the new language (Prakrit) – hatched the Lion story of Sinhabahu’s grandson Vijaya and his 700 followers (North Indians), about 1000 years after their alleged landing, with the motive of projecting the Buddhists as a separate ethnic group, the Sinhalese (who will protect the Buddhist dharma in the island) and the Tamils who did not convert to Buddhism were projected as invaders. That is how Sinhala originated and the non-Buddhist (Tamils) became invaders.

                  Later, the so called ‘Sinhalese’ became a majority after the colonials arrived. The Portuguese and the Dutch colonized hundreds of thousands of South Indian Dalit in the Southern parts of Sri Lanka as menial labourers/coolies for growing/peeling cinnamon, coconut planting/plucking and toddy tapping. These South Indian Dalit converted to Buddhism and eventually got naturalized as Sinhalese. Otherwise, today either the Tamils or the Veddas would have been the majority in Sri Lanka.

                  Your so called strong civilization in SL is all borrowed from others.

                  The Sinhalese are experts in importing or borrowing everything from others, making a few modifications and then calling them their own. A serious lack of originality in the so called Sinhala culture.

                  Buddhism that the Sinhalese follow was imported from North India. Sinhala language is nothing but Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil (from North & South India). The Sinhala script was borrowed from the Indian Grantha script. The name of the country ‘Lanka’ was borrowed from the Indian epic Ramayana. The name of their race ‘Sinhala’ was borrowed from the Indian epic Mahabaratha.

                  The Sinhalese men and women were topless until the arrival of Portuguese. The Sinhalese women were only wearing the reddha, the hatte was introduced by the Portuguese to cover their tops. The Sari was borrowed from India, and the style of wearing sari by the early Kerala women was exactly what the Sinhalese women wear now. The Osari/Osariya (sari that the Sinhalese women wear) came from Kerela. Even the so called Kandiyan traditional dress is not exactly the traditional cultural dress of Sinhalese but a borrowed, altered version of medieval Portuguese dress. Most part of the Kandiyan Costume has the Portuguese influence.

                  The hunchbacked, top-heavy women of Sigiriya, about which so many misplaced raves have been written, but copies unworthy of the prototypes of the cave paintings of Ajanta, Elora, Pappadakkal, and Sittannavasal in Tamil Nadu, South India and from which they were drawn.

                  Most of the food the Sinhalese cook/eat including the sweet meats such as the Kavum is Kerala’s cultural cuisines. The traditional food in Kerela is exactly similar to the Sinhalese food, pol sambol, aapa, idiappa, pittu, pol rotti and so on.

                  The Elephant and other procession in Dalada Perahera is an exact copy of Pooram Festival of Kerala. Sinhala Religious practices such as the Pattini deity worship (as well as the worship of Natha, Vishnu, Kataragama, Saman and Vibhishana) were also introduced to Sri Lanka from Kerala. Sinhala classical poems such as the ‘Perakumba Sinha’ and ‘Kokila Sandesaya’ also bear the Kerala stamp.

                  What the Sinhalese call Sinhala medicine is actually Ayurveda medicine brought to Sri Lanka from Kerela. Even today the Ayurvedic doctors (Wickramarachi, etc) in Sri Lanka used to go to Kerela for further higher studies.

                  All the ancient structures (including the irrigation technology) is from South India (Tamil).

                  All the well-known Sri Lankan musicians/singers (including Amaradeva) went to India to learn music. The so called Sinhala Baila music is borrowed from the Portuguese music and African Kaffiringa.

                  I can keep on listing, even the British has introduced several, Sinhalese have nothing to call their own (original).

                  Now sach, please do not run away with the tail between your legs.

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                    Actually wasting time for your long ignorant drivel is no use. But let me do that to enlighten the readers.

                    yes men we have shared a lot of cultural elements with the rest of SOuth Asia. What is the big deal in it? Sinhala is not the only nation that shared with others but still they have retained their unique identity. what do tamils have? Your tamil temples yell in Sanskrit. Your kings were of North Indian origin. Your names are in sanskrit.

                    Sri Lanka was not a remote tribal area in Tamilnadu that did not exchange with others. we did and we received a lot of immigrants and with immigrants we still retained our own identity and our culture that is because we already had that.

                    Whether sigiri look like Ajantha or not is a moot point. It does not matter to us. The point is sigiri graffiti records the Sinhala inscriptions of 8 AD. You tamils have NOTHING in this country until 13 AD

                    Get a history book and read. And how does Mutaseeva becomes Mutu Siva? The only way Tamils can show that they had anything in SL is by mis pronouncing Sinhala names.

                    Sinhalese for both good and bad appreciate alien things unlike SL tamils. Therefore they adopted foreign things a lot Baila or Kerala things it does not matter. What is important is no matter what cultural exchanges we had with other cultures we RETAINED OUR OWN CULTURE and enriched ours, while there is NO SUCH CULTURE for SL tamils.

                    The only thing SL tamils have and do is attempting to become a second rate South Indian copy. You have nothing of your own. We have our own language. what do you have? Our Sinhala literature exists starting from 8 AD….what the f you have?

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                      sach

                      Actually wasting time for your long ignorant drivel is no use. But let me do that to enlighten the readers.

                      “Sinhala is not the only nation that shared with others but still they have retained their unique identity.”

                      Not just Sinhalese, everybody have retained their unique identity.

                      “What do tamils have? Your tamil temples yell in Sanskrit. Your kings were of North Indian origin. Your names are in sanskrit.”

                      Sanskrit is the sacred language of the Hindus. Similarly, Pali is the sacred languages of the Buddhists. It is a well-known fact that even Tamil Buddhist monks of South India used Pali language in preference to Tamil in their writings.

                      “we still retained our own identity and our culture that is because we already had that.”

                      Bull crap, please refer to my post above, I have fully elaborated your borrowed culture.

                      “The point is sigiri graffiti records the Sinhala inscriptions of 8 AD. You tamils have NOTHING in this country until 13 AD”

                      Nonsense!

                      There are a number of Tamil inscriptions before the 13 AD. For example, during the period of Jayabahu I (1114 A.D.) known as the Tamil inscription at BUDUMUTTAVA in Kurunagala District. In Tamil he is referred to as Virabahudevar. (source: Epigraphia Zeylanica Vol.III).

                      There are a number of Brahmi inscriptions referring to donations by Demalas to the Sangha as far back as the 1-2 century B.C.

                      “Get a history book and read. And how does Mutaseeva becomes Mutu Siva? The only way Tamils can show that they had anything in SL is by mis pronouncing Sinhala names.”

                      It is NOT Mutaseeva, it is Muta Siva. MutaSiva has a very clear meaning in the Tamil language. MUTA means elder in Tamil, SIVA means name of God Siva. MUTA SIVA is a very common old Tamil name. Now could you please tell us the meaning of the word Mutaseeva in the Sinhala language?

                      “RETAINED OUR OWN CULTURE and enriched ours, while there is NO SUCH CULTURE for SL tamils.”

                      You BORROWED the South Indian culture. The SL Tamils also did the same, borrowed the South Indian culture.

                      “We have our own language. what do you have? Our Sinhala literature exists starting from 8 AD…”

                      Yours is nothing but a mixture of Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil. If you remove the Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil words from the Sinhala language you are left with NOTHING.

                      Now please do not run away with the tail between your legs as usual…

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                      sach

                      “Get a history book and read. And how does Mutaseeva becomes Mutu Siva?”

                      Please go to google and look for Kings & Rulers of Sri Lanka or refer to the Mahavamsa on-line. You will find Pandiya/Sivaite names such as Panduvasa (Panduvasudeva), PanduKabhaya, Tissa, MutaSiva, MahaSiva, GiriKandaSiva and so on. Pandu is the Sanskrit name for Pandya. It was only after the introduction of Buddhism, they became Buddhists.

                      The Deepavamsa calls king PanduVasudeva as PanduVasa meaning one from the Pandya country (B. C. Law, ibid. p. 52). After the death of Panduvasa (Panduvasudeva) his eldest son Abhaya became the lawful king. PanduVasudeva’s mother is said to have been the daughter of the Mada king (‘Mada in Sanskrit for Madura was the capital city of the Pandyans). Their son was named Pandu ka Abhaya. Pandu ka Abhaya was the son-in-law of GiriKandaSiva. Pandu ka Abhaya gives his son a Tamil Saiva name MutaSiva (elder Siva). His second son Tissa succeeds him (His real Saiva name is not known). Devanampiya is a title given to him by Emperor Asoka for accepting Buddhism, it is not a Tamil name. Tissa’s brother also has the Tamil Saiva name MahaSiva (big Siva).

                      The names Muta-Siva (elder Siva), Maha-Siva (big Siva) and Giri-KandaSiva (KandaSamy) have very clear meaning in Tamil.

                      If you are saying they are Sinhala names, could you please give us the Sinhala meaning of these names?

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                      As I said previously and repeatedly you have no name to give as Tamil kings in SL.

                      1. From where did you come up with the list of names Walagamba?
                      2. Isnt the list of names derived from Mahavamsa which eelam propagandists bash?
                      3. And how does Mahavamsa describe them? Isnt it as Invaders?
                      4. Is there any other alternative source of history that contradicts what Mahavamsa says?

                      Give me a single historical research by a reputed historian that says these are local tamils. ( this is a challenge)

                      And read what Prof. Indrapala Karthigesu said in his thesis,

                      /Looking back on the whole body of evidence that is available…we have to conclude that there was no widespread Tamil settlement before the tenth century./

                      Again Mr. Indrapala says

                      /On the Tamil side the chronicles that are extant are those written nearly three centuries after the foundation of the Tamil kingdom in the island in the thirteenth century./

                      Again Indrapala says

                      /The tamil works in South India have no notable allusions to the activities of the Tamils in Ceylon/

                      Without reading Eelam propaganda with NO basis and not done by proper historians ( but by lawyers turned historians) dont come to talk about history of Sinhala homeland. If you come to talk about history learn to read a PROPER history book ( i am repeating this for the nth time) and come…

                      Sinhalese have practiced patience regarding misinterpretation of history by Eelamists for too long.

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                      sach

                      “As I said previously and repeatedly you have no name to give as Tamil kings in SL.”

                      Why NOT??
                      Who were Sena and Guttika. Can you prove they were invaders? What about MutaSiva, MahaSiva?
                      Please read what I have posted above.

                      “Give me a single historical research by a reputed historian that says these are local tamils. (this is a challenge)”

                      Who will do research when it is very obvious. Can you give me a single historical research by a reputed historian that says they are Sinhalese?
                      Can you at least give us the Sinhala meaning of their names? Now, that is a challenge.

                      “And read what Prof. Indrapala Karthigesu said in his thesis”

                      Prof. Indrapala Karthigesu’s thesis (1960s) is obsolete and he says it.

                      “If you come to talk about history learn to read a PROPER history book”

                      LOL!

                      In Sri Lanka, the history is already twisted many centuries ago and sealed. What we have is not history but his-story (Ven. Mahanama’s story). After several centuries today the myth has become the truth and the Sinhalese believe it as gospel. If anybody tries to undo the twist (after enormous amount of new discoveries) he/she will be considered an unpatriotic traitor or an Eelam propagandist.

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                      If we did not retain our culture and we are not unique why the flying F you started to kill us saying you cant speak our language and you are diluting into Sinhala culture. Yes we have foreign elements in our culture and you too have. Sanskrit whether it is your sacred language is or not is still foreign. That is how every community function. Just because Sinhala people had exchanged cultural elements with other cultures it does not make Sinhala nonexistent.

                      You really don’t know what you are talking , right?
                      1. The sigiri graffiti is the oldest evidence found for modern Sinhala (medieval Sinhala). Prior to that we have 3300+ Sinhala Brahmi rock inscriptions in Sri Lanka , but that is not understandable for a modern Sinhalese like me as it shows the Sinhala language in its initial form.
                      2. Yes we have Tamil inscriptions but that is after the chola invasions.
                      3. Sinhala inscriptions fall to 4 main categories. ( Prakrutha Sinhala (2 BC – 4 AD), Purathana Sinhala (4 AD to 8 AD), Mediaeval Sinhala (8 AD to 13 AD) and Modern Sinhala ( 13 AD- present)
                      If you want I will give examples for stone inscriptions for 8 AD to 13 AD and for the rest as well. Then you can see whether you can even attempt to read it let alone understand the meaning.
                      I will give you one example of a stone inscription found in Vavuniya. It was during 4 AD while Mahasen was the king in Anuradhapura.
                      Tamil inscriptions which are numerically an extreme minority were found after chola invasions. Even the ones which were found in Welgamwehera use the Sinhala name that was in use.
                      Anuradhapaura kingdom used Sinhala of the three oldest periods.
                      And I am saying this for the nth time you fake tamil historian , get a book and read history of this island without spreading your tamil garbage here and there.

                      Can you tell me the meaning of the Sinhala name Gamini? Gotabhaya? Wasabha? Walagamba? Budalna?
                      We did not borrow anything purposely any community would exchange cultural aspects from its neighboring cultures and any cultures that come into contact with it. Sinhala is not the only one who did that everyone did that. English have adopted many roman cultural practices, but English is a different and a unique ethnicity a separate political entity. Same way we did exchange but remained separate. You did not borrow anything from South India, you just came from there and copy it, a second rate copy of South India.
                      While south india has its cultural and civilisational achievements what does this so called Eelam invisible kingdom has ever had. When the Sinhalese built a civilization and when the tamils in TN built a civilization what the f were so called indigenous tamils doing? Were they in tree tops?
                      Like everything you have no knowledge of Sinhala language as well. I will list you few books if you want to learn about the evolution of Sinhala language. Yes we have influences from Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil still we retained our hela language. There is no language that was not impacted from another ( even tamil) and it is the same for Sinhala.
                      Get a book on evolution of Sinhala language and read.

                      Why should I run away when talking about MY HOMELAND’s history with a country less state less alien? I will teach you history until you will cry.

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                      sach

                      “If we did not retain our culture and we are not unique why the flying F you started to kill us saying you cant speak our language and you are diluting into Sinhala culture.”

                      You are talking about a 100% borrowed culture. Tell me what you have that is not imported or borrowed.

                      “Just because Sinhala people had exchanged cultural elements with other cultures it does not make Sinhala nonexistent.”

                      You have not exchanged, you have borrowed or imported in full.

                      “The sigiri graffiti is the oldest evidence found for modern Sinhala (medieval Sinhala). Prior to that we have 3300+ Sinhala Brahmi rock inscriptions in Sri Lanka , but that is not understandable for a modern Sinhalese like me as it shows the Sinhala language in its initial form.”

                      Prakrit (a form of Sanskrit, a North Indian Indo-Aryan language) was the only language found in the cave inscriptions of the early historic period. The actual language called Sinhala started developing only in the 7th century CE and first appeared only in the 8th century CE Sigiri mirror wall writings. What is known as Elu developed even later and appeared only in the 9th century CE. What existed before the 7th century CE was only Prakrit and Pali and written in the Brahmi script which was common to both Tamils and others. The same Prakrit and Pali were also found in South India.

                      “Yes we have Tamil inscriptions but that is after the chola invasions.”

                      Tamil inscriptions of the 2nd century B.C at Thalangoda Vihara, Matale will testify to the fact that Tamil-speaking Buddhist monks lived in caves in the neighbourhood of the vihara.

                      “Sinhala inscriptions fall to 4 main categories. ( Prakrutha Sinhala (2 BC – 4 AD), Purathana Sinhala (4 AD to 8 AD), Mediaeval Sinhala (8 AD to 13 AD) and Modern Sinhala ( 13 AD- present)”

                      In the late 19th century AD, the German Pali scholar Wilhelm Geiger who first classified the development of the Prakrit language in the island into four periods:

                      * Sinhala Prakrit (until 3rd century CE)
                      * Proto-Sinhala (3rd – 7th century CE)
                      * Medieval Sinhala (7th – 12th century CE)
                      * Modern Sinhala (12th century – present)
                      But today he is proved WRONG.
                      The Sinhala started developing only after Mahavamsa was written (5th century CE) and first appeared only in the 8th century CE Sigiri mirror wall writings.

                      Wilhelm Geiger assumed the above but today the epigraphists and linguists do not accept it. The present day Sinhala language is 100% borrowed from India (North & South).

                      “Tamil inscriptions which are numerically an extreme minority were found after chola invasions.”

                      Prof. Sudharshan Seneviratne, the historian who did extensive research on South India Sri Lanka region says:

                      There is no mention of the word Sinhala or Sinhala ethnicity in the thousand odd short inscriptions that come to us from this early historic period. On the contrary, a vast majority of the host of clan names and titles that we come across in these inscriptions only show affinities with the clans of the ancient Tamil country.

                      Now, please do not run away…

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                    “”The Sinhala started developing only after Mahavamsa was written (5th century CE) and first appeared only in the 8th century CE Sigiri mirror wall writings. “”

                    But the naturally common things/items spoken even to date are of portuguese origin.did not speak before writing?
                    Sinhala Olu/Ulu Sinhala `telha“teja`, 1/2 round missionary.
                    both are tree huggers!!

                    Sigiriya came from Sena dynasty, attempting completion of Trimurti and perplexed and Pallavaram joining in.

                    Sigiriya writing is a combo of southern indian script trying to evolve- carbon test??

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              sach

              “Northern kingdom Anuradhapura was never ruled by Tamils except by invaders.”

              The One and Only One invader from India was Vijay who came with 700 thugs. Sri Lanka was connected with Tamil Nadu by the Rama’s bridge and was a part of the Tamil kingdom. The Tamils had all the legal rights to rule Sri Lanka. Ven. Mahanama concocted a fairy tale to create a Sinhala race to protect Buddhism, and called all the non-Buddhists as INVADERS.

              The following are some of the Non-Buddhist Tamil kings who ruled the Northern kingdom Anuradhapura. Since they were Non-Buddhists, the Mahavamsa author projected them as ‘invaders’.

              SENA & GUTTILA 237-215 BC Two Tamil Chief`s who killed King Suratissa and captured the throne at Anuradhapura.
              ELARA 205-161 BC (the Just) A Tamil Prince of the Chola Dynasty from South India ruled the country for 44 years.
              PULAHATHA 103-100 BC Tamil Chief reigned supreme for three years and was murdered by his Chief Minister, Bahiya.
              BAHIYA 100-98 BC Chief Minister of Pulahatha Ruled for two years with the Chief Panayamara as Prime Minister who also murdered him and took power.
              PANAYAMARA 98-91 BC Prime Minister of Bahiya Reigned for seven years and was murdered by his Chief Minister, Piliyamara
              PILAYAMARA 91 BC Chief Minister of Panayamara Reigned for seven months and was murdered by his Chief Minister, Dathiya
              DATHIYA 90-88 BC Chief Minister of Pilayamara Reigned for two years before he was killed
              PANDU 428-433 AD
              PARINDA 433 AD Son of Pandu
              KHUDA PARINDA 433-449 AD Younger brother of Pandu
              TIRITARA 449 AD defeated and slain by Dhatusena within 2 months
              DATHIYA 449-452 AD defeated and slain by Dhatusena after a war lasting 3 years
              PITHIYA 452 AD
              RAJADIRAJA THE GREAT 1007-1019 AD Chola (Tamil) Administration
              PARAKRAMA PANDIAN (Parakum Pandi) 1198-1201 Tamil (Pandyan). He ascended the throne deposing Queen Lilavati.

              “Even the sinhalese are mentioned in Allahabad inscription :) there was no Tamil ethnicity then”

              Sinhalese is NOT at all mentioned in Ashoka’s Allahabad inscription, do not create stories.
              “Even the Tamil inscription mention the name as Welgamwehera…..:) it will never be a Tamil name..”

              Velgam Vehera was a Tamil Buddhist Mahayana temple. Tamil Buddhists also used Sanskrit and Pali names such as Vehera for Buddhist temple. It was valikamam that the Sinhalese changed to Velgam, vali+kaamam (Vali means sand, Kaamam means village, sandy village).

              “The only way Tamils try to rob the history of Sinhala people is by adding an N or M at the end of ancient names.”

              This shows your ignorance about Tamil.

              Only a few centuries ago the Tamils changed the names ending with ‘a’ into ‘m’ and ‘n’ after they introduced the ‘pulli (dot) system’ which is peculiar to Tamils in particular among the Indian languages whereby the words/names started ending with ‘n’ and ‘m’. Before that, the old Tamil names were very similar to those Sanskrit/Pali (presently Sinhala) names. That is why the Tamil Kings of Anuradhapura were known as Sena, Guttika, Elara, Pulahatha, Bahiya, Panayamara, Parinda, Dathiya, and so on.

              Even in Tamil Nadu, the names of the old kings were referred to as Kulothunga Chola, Vikrma Chola, Aditya Chola, Rajendra Deva Pandya, Kula Sekara Pandya, Chandra Sekara Pandya, Vira Wickrama Pandya, Parakrama Pandya, Sundara Pandya, and so on. If you remove the Pandya and Chola from their names they look and sound very similar to the present day Sinhala names.

              “Even an educated Sinhala can read and understand the verses in Sigiri graffiti…”

              Ha,ha,ha… please go there and see if you can read and understand it, why did epigraphists like Paranavithana had to interpret them if an educated Sinhala person can read it?

              “What does Tamils have in this country? The oldest literature in Tamil is not longer than 17 th century done with whose help? Dutch”

              First the Portuguse and then the Sinhalese destroyed every oldest literature that the Tamils had. I have elaborated on that in my post below.

              “If you come to debate on history come well prepared lets do it..”

              I am well prepared but you always run away with the tail between your legs leaving your amude here and then slowly creep into another thread and post the same questions. Is that called debate in your culture?

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                If tamils have any legal right to rule Sri Lanka we Sinhalese have legal right to rule TN.
                Vijaya story is considered as a myth by historians but tamils consider mahavamsa as false and as true when it suits them. Right?
                I told you once to give a proper list of Tamil kings and not to give any list of Tamil invaders from South India. Do you have any source to say that they are local? Any single source?
                Tell me how did the tamils lived in SL at that time being invisible to everyone else? Every historical record talk about Sinhala people and Tamil invaders and no tamil settlement until 10 AD.
                What sources do you have to say these were local tamil kings? Any historical research?

                LOL Tamils using vehera for Buddhist temples. I know you would return with this stupid argument. This is what you did not know idiot. Tamils in that period called Buddhist temples as Palli and not Vehera. And idiot the Cholas gave this Buddhist temple another Tamil name which ends with palli, If Velgamwehera is the Tamil name why did they give a name that ends in Palli? You do not know anything about Tamil history let alone Sinhala history. Cholas at that time ( and even Pandyas) called Buddhist temples as Palli and not as Vehera. Being a tamil speaker you should know Tamils find it hard to pronounce a word like Vehera let alone coming up with such a word. Vehera is not a Pali word idiot. It is a Sinhala word.
                Then how does Devanampiya thissa became Devanampiyatheesan to Tamils? Didn’t the Tamil eelam propagandist know that at that point? LOL
                ///Even in Tamil Nadu, the names of the old kings were referred to as Kulothunga Chola, Vikrma Chola, Aditya Chola, Rajendra Deva Pandya, Kula Sekara Pandya, Chandra Sekara Pandya, Vira Wickrama Pandya, Parakrama Pandya, Sundara Pandya, and so on. If you remove the Pandya and Chola from their names they look and sound very similar to the present day Sinhala names.//////
                Yes the ancient Chola kings used names like Adithya, Vikrama, etc..That is because they came from North India and they used Sanskrit. Do you know these names are Sanskrit?
                // Ha,ha,ha… please go there and see if you can read and understand it, why did epigraphists like Paranavithana had to interpret them if an educated Sinhala person can read it?//
                Again the utmost stupidty. Idiot stone inscriptions are identified by the archeologists and those who are trained in it. What was identified can be read and understand from any educated Sinhala.
                I will write a sigiri graffiti here,
                Ladi Mana Bandna
                Pahabar sina rusna
                Katak hi tosna
                Mini Akusu his hi lay ganna
                This can be read and understood by any educated Sinhala person who has a good knowledge in Classical Sinhalese.

                You had nothing to be destroyed. The Poth Gul vehera in Polonnaruwa an ancient library with many Sinhala literary works were set fire by the Kalinga Magha. But when discussing Sinhala literature we don’t talk and imagine what was there. So do not manufacture literature that was destroyed by others. As I stated previously this history debate did not begin after 1982 but in 1920 and 30s , then your so called ola leaves were not used for any argument by the Tamil politicians

                Actually talking to a Tamil who has no knowledge on tamil history is a waste of time. I am not paid to write here like some tamils. But I will teach you history when time permits me.

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                  sach; You are obsessed with your race. No purity!Even Parakrama Bahu the great was a Orresian not a Sinhalese. If you are the descendants of Vijaya, Mahavamsa say’s he ditched Quvane and Married Pandian prince also his 700 mates married Pandian women then you are a half Tamil! They are the most racists I found. However recent DNA studies have shown or proved, there is no difference you Sinhalese from the Tamils in SL. Kerala Malayalam language is a deviation or arose from Tamil. Sinhala derived from Pali, Elu and Tamil. Malayalam and Telungu and kanada also has its origin from Tamil. But mixed with Tamil, Sanskrit and Pali Sinhala letters have very close resemblance to those languages. However no Sinhala community found in India. Most Southerners who have Portuguese names Such as Pereira, Silva, Pieris are given to cover their origin. They are from South India Dalit. Kandiyan had Vellore Tamil Nayakar as their Rulers from 1739 until British captured in 1815.Senanayake and Bandaranayke’s have Tamil Blood in them. They borrowed the Nayake. Hi Sach! there is no point in you digging into the past history any more. The Grammar for Sinhala Language was also written by a Tamil Scholar in the 9th century AD. Tamil language is the oldest of all languages in India. Archaeological findings from Mohenjo-Daro, Harappa Civilisation.

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                  Sach

                  What a load of meaningless rubbish you have dumped here, the same rubbish that you keep on dumping and are being rebutted several times by many including me. Why don’t you go back to the CT archives and read those replies to all your repeated rubbish.

                  Anyways, let me answer some of your confusions.

                  “Every historical record talk about Sinhala people and Tamil invaders and no tamil settlement until 10 AD. What sources do you have to say these were local tamil kings? Any historical research?”

                  Could you please tell us which historical record talks about Sinhala people before 10 AD? Could you please tell us which stone/cave inscription talks about Sinhala people before 10 AD? What sources do you have to say these were Sinhala kings (before 10 AD)? Any reputed historical research? – LOL!

                  “Vehera is a Sinhala word.”

                  The Sinhalese have changed the name Vihara into Vehera. The temple was originally known as Velgam Vihara, or Rajaraja-perumpalli, or Natanar Kovil. Without making yourself a laughing stock, take a Pali dictionary on-line and you will find the word Vihare. Tamils Buddhists also used Pali words that is sacred to Buddhism and Tamil Hindus also used Sanskrit words that is sacred to Hinduism. Palli/Kovil are the Tamil equivalents of the Pali word Vihara. Even in Tamil Nadu the ancient Buddhist temples were known as Viharas.

                  It is a historical fact that among the many ancient Buddhist shrines in Sri Lanka Velgam Vihara which was renamed Rajaraja-perumpalli, also called Natanar Kovil by the present day Tamils stands out as the only known example of a `Tamil Vihare or Buddhist Palli` or as the late Dr. Senerath Paranavithana described it in his book `Glimpses of Ceylon`s Past` as an `Ancient Buddhist shrine of the Tamil people`. Some of the Tamil inscriptions found at the site record donations to this shrine and are dated in the reigns of the Chola Kings, Rajaraja and Rajendradeva.

                  Everything else is pure Bull Crap.

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          Sach,

          MYTH 1: Tamils came to Sri Lanka as invaders.

          The Sinhalese are brainwashed with the Mahavamsa mind-set to believe the myth that Sri Lanka is a Sinhala-Buddhist country and the non-Sinhala Buddhists (Tamils) are invaders who do not belong to Sri Lanka.

          The so called ‘invasion’ theory that was mentioned in the Mahavamsa (anybody other than the Buddhists were considered invaders) was wrongly interpreted by the European (colonial) Orientalist scholars. Since Buddha was a North Indian, all the North Indians were considered friends whereas the South Indians were considered enemies/invaders.

          However, even the so called ‘invasion’ theory of the Mahavamsa only talks about the replacement of the king (not people) at the Anuradapura kingdom by either a Chola or a Pandya. The Tamil people were already living irrespective of who the king was. And neither the Deepawamsa nor the Mahavamsa or any inscriptions calls the Tamil Kings Sena and Guttika as invaders/outsiders (they were Sri Lankan Tamil horse businessman’s sons).

          With the arrival of Arahat Mahinda, a part of the Tamil Hindus who lived in the island embraced Buddhism. In the 5th century A.D, Ven. Mahanama thero and a group of scholarly Buddhist monks of the Mahavihara in Anuradapura observing two groups of people in the 5th century A.D. – Hindus, speaking Tamil and the converts (Buddhists) speaking the new language (Prakrit) wrote the Mahavamsa with the motive of projecting the Buddhists as a separate ethnic group, ‘the Sinhalese’ (who will protect the Buddhist dharma in the island) and the Tamils who did not convert to Buddhism were projected as ‘invaders’. That is how ‘Sinhala’ originated and became the ‘guardians of Buddhism’ and the non-Buddhist (Tamils) became ‘invaders’. Later, with the mixture of Tamil, Pali and Sanskrit languages, evolved the Sinhala language during 8 century A.D.

          MYTH 2: Dutch settled Tamils in the North for Tobacco plantation.

          Nobody settled anybody in the North & East.

          When the Tamil Vellalar farmers in Jaffna needed labour to grow tobacco, the Dutch sold them a few slaves (few hundreds) brought from South India (Pallar caste).

          However, the main reason for the Portuguese in the 16th century and later Dutch in the 18th century to occupy the island was Cinnamon and not tobacco, and cinnamon grew only in the South. The Dutch settled tens of thousands of Dalit coolies from South India in the Southern parts of Sri Lanka for cinnamon and coconut plantation.

          In order to avoid the caste issue, all those South Indian Dalit adopted Buddhist & Christian religions and eventually got naturalized as Sinhalese. Today their decedents are Sinhala-Buddhists and Sinhala-Christians.

          The so called ‘Sinhala race’ that the scholarly Buddhist monks of the Mahavihara in Anuradapura lead by Ven. Mahanama thero created (to protect Buddhism in the island) became a majority only after the colonials arrived. As explained above, the Portuguese and the Dutch colonized hundreds of thousands of South Indian Dalit in the Southern parts of Sri Lanka as menial labourers/coolies for growing/peeling cinnamon, coconut planting/plucking and toddy tapping. These South Indian Dalit converted to Buddhism and eventually got naturalized as Sinhalese. Otherwise, today either the Tamils or the Veddas would have been the majority in Sri Lanka.

          If you read the Dutch writings, “The World’s Oldest Trade”: Dutch Slavery and Slave Trade in the Indian Ocean in the Seventeenth Century” you will see that the Dutch settled most of them in the South from Colombo to Galle.

          Later, the British settled South Indians in the upcountry for Tea and Rubber plantation. North & East is free from colonial settlements.

          If you read the books/articles written by the colonial writers/historians, the Dutch Predikant, Philippus Baldaeus who was in the Island during the mid-17th century, the Dutch Governor Rjklof Van Goen’s account dated 1675, first British Governor of Sri Lanka, namely Frederick North in 1799, the Colonial Secretary Hugh Cleghorn, Jacob Burnand, a Swiss soldier in the service of the Dutch and later the English (was the governor of Batticaloa), and many others; out of all the statements these gentlemen made, only one thing is very clear, what all of them clearly saw and experienced during their period was that, there were two different Nations (Sinhalese & Tamils) in the Island having two different languages, religions, cultures, and living in two well defined and clearly and naturally demarcated land areas and both were majorities in their traditional areas.

          The North & East Tamils are indigenous and natural migrants whereas the father of the Sinhalese (Vijaya and the 700 thugs) were deported from India and made to drift in the Bay of Bengal and by chance landed here.

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            yes tamils were present but no tamil civilisation..much like tamil presence in west today. What happened to those tamils? They got absorbed to the sinhala mainstream.

            1. Dutch bringing tamils is a well known fact. Dutch brought them for tobbaco fields and hey even today that is one of their main crops.

            2. There are Vellalas from Coromandel in SI. How do we have indigenous vellalas here and another place? Either Vellalas here went to India or vellalas came to SL from India…..so what do u think happen..?

            3. The invasions from TN is not mere heresay or false. It is well documented in SI as well..

            Mean time try to answer these and lets hope you will open your eyes..

            Let me help you think.

            1. who started Jaffna kingdom? A non Tamil
            2. When did Jaffna kingdom start? In 13th century
            3. Who were Aryachakravarthis? South indian
            4. Is tobbaco growing a major thing in North now? Yes
            5. Did Dutch brought Keralites for work in plantations? Yes, there are records in Dutch archives
            6. How long did Jaffna kingdom exist ? 200 years
            7. Did British got Jaffna kingdom from Tamils and did Tamils fight for it? No, Jaffna kingdom ceased to exist after Portugese killed Sankili
            8. Where are the origins of so called Vellala caste? In Kerala, TN.So it is there Vellala as a community was formed
            9.What are the historical works of Jaffna? very few the oldest being Yalpana Vaipawa Malai written with the backing of Dutch.
            10. what are the historical monuments in NE? Buddhist temples mainly and Hindu temples built by Cholas
            11. What is the main kovil of Tamils in North? nallur
            12. Who built Nallur? Sapumal , adopted son of Kotte king
            13. Were tamils aliens in SL? No, tamils lived in SL, there was a tamil presence but they never treated SL as their homeland, it was simply where they made money and not a tamil civilisation..
            14. Any source that mentions any tamil kingdom in SL prior to Jaffna in SL? no SLn source
            15. Any source that mentions any tamil kingdom in SL prior to Jaffna in foreign sources? none, not even Chola
            16. Why did Chola mention the Sinhalas in SL and not Tamil kingdom? Was that invisible to Cholas?

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              sach

              “yes tamils were present but no tamil civilization”

              What is this sinhala civilization you are talking about? Nobody has ever heard of a Sinhala civilization anywhere is Sri Lanka, which history book talks of a sinhala civilization? It is not mentioned anywhere that the ancient Sri Lankan Buddhist civilization was a Sinhala civilization or Tamil civilization.

              The truth is that there is no aspect of Sinhalese Buddhist culture? Ethnicity, religion and practices, language and script, customs and traditions – ALL OF THEM ARE FOREIGN OR BORROWED FROM TAMILS.

              The Myth of an ancient Sinhala Civilization- The building of a few tanks and canals to take water to the fields, and a few Dagabas does not make a civilization. These were BASIC ESSENTIALS of the economic & religious life of any settled community.

              “Dutch bringing tamils is a well known fact. Dutch brought them for tobbaco fields and hey even today that is one of their main crops.”

              There is NO evidence what so ever to prove it. There is only a Dutch record saying they sold a few south Indian slaves (Pallar caste) to the Vellalars land owners (farmers) to work in their tobacco fields. However, there is enough Dutch records to prove that they settled them in the Cinnamon gardens owned by the Dutch from Colombo up to Galle to grow Cinnamon.

              “There are Vellalas from Coromandel in SI. How do we have indigenous vellalas here and another place?”

              The Tamil caste system was created by the Tamil kings who ruled both South India and Sri Lanka.

              “The invasions from TN is not mere heresay or false. It is well documented in SI as well”

              The invasion theory was only documented in the Mahavamsa, and I have explained above why they called the non-Buddhist Tamil kings as invaders.

              “Mean time try to answer these and lets hope you will open your eyes..”

              You have repeated these questions more than a hundred times (cut and paste over and over) in every thread and not only me but many others have answered them many times. Every time you escape, run away leaving your amude and slowly come again with the same questions. Now it is very easy, I’ll cut and paste my old answers again and again when you repeat the same. Anyways, try to change your questions because I am getting bored in cutting and pasting the same answers again and again.

              “who started Jaffna kingdom? A non Tamil”

              So what, it made no difference to the Tamil position in regard to the inhabitancy. Even the last four Sinhala Kings of Kandy kingdom were non-Sinhalese, they came from Madurai, Tamil Nadu, did it make any difference to the Sinhala inhabitancy? Most of the chief ministers of Tamil Nadu (MGR, Jayalalitha, Karunanidi) are non-Tamils.

              Kalinga Magha was a prince from the Kingdom of Kalinga but his family was connected to the rulers of Ramanathapuram in Tamil Nadu. Kalinga Magha’s relatives of Ramanathapuram administered the famous temple of Rameswaram. He came from Tamil Nadu and founded the Jaffna kingdom. He took the name Segarajasekeran Singhai Ariyachakravarthi on coronation. During his rule he laid the foundation for a powerful Tamil state. Later, he marched to Polonnaruwa and defeated Parakramabahu and ruled it for 21 years.

              “When did Jaffna kingdom start? In 13th century”

              1215 century AD to be precise. So did the Sinhala kingdoms of Kotte and Kandy.

              Who were Aryachakravarthis? South indian

              Who were the last four kings of Kandy, also South Indians? When they cannot find a Royal blooded Sinhalese or a Tamil to sit on the throne, they bring from South India.

              The Sri Lankan Kings and queens were mostly from Tamil Pandya and Kalinga Royal dynasties. None of those kings of Sinhala Royal houses were pure blooded, they have Tamil and Kalinga blood connection. The Sinhala Kings married to the Tamil (mostly with Pandiya dynasty) and Kalinga Royal families to elevate their status and to get the military help to defend their petty Kingdoms from other Sinhala Kings.

              “Is tobbaco growing a major thing in North now?”

              Tobbaco is one of the many crops that grows in the North but Cinnamon never grows in the North. The Dutch were well known for trading spices (Cinnamon) and not Tobbaco.

              “Did Dutch brought Keralites for work in plantations, Yes, there are records in Dutch archives”

              Please, please, please, can you give us a link or any reputed research article to prove it.

              “How long did Jaffna kingdom exist ? 200 years”

              Portuguese expedition to Jaffna in 1560 had no lasting success. A second invasion of 1591, undertaken at the instigation of Christian missionaries, succeeded in installing a Portuguese protégé. Continued unrest and succession disputes made the Portuguese undertake a third expedition, and the kingdom of Jaffna was annexed in 1619.

              From 1215 to 1619, almost 400 years.

              “Did British got Jaffna kingdom from Tamils and did Tamils fight for it? No, Jaffna kingdom ceased to exist after Portugese killed Sankili”

              Both Kotte and Jaffna kingdoms ceased to exist after the Portuguese captured them. The king of Kandy brought the Dutch to fight the Portuguese and recapture both Kotte and Jaffna. The Dutch chased away the Portuguese and captured both Kotte and Jaffna but did not give it to Kandy. The British fought the Dutch and took over both Kotte and Jaffna and later Kandy. Right from after the fall of Jaffna Kingdom in 1619 to the Portuguese, and then to the Dutch, and the British, the Tamil speaking territory remained as a federal state up to 1833. Only after 1833, the British integrated all the federal states and made them into one unitary state.

              “Where are the origins of so called Vellala caste? In Kerala, TN.So it is there Vellala as a community was formed”

              The Tamil caste (for doing different jobs) was created by the Tamil kings. The Tamil kings who ruled South India and Sri Lanka were from the Chola and Pandya dynasties.

              “What are the historical works of Jaffna? very few the oldest being Yalpana Vaipawa Malai written with the backing of Dutch.”

              The Tamils did not inscribe/engrave inscriptions on stones, instead they recorded everything on ola/palmaryh leaves and on copper plates. When the Portuguese occupied Jaffna after a fierce battle with the Jaffna king, they not only demolished the Hindu temples and harassed the Hindus, but they also burnt down most of the artifacts that belonged to the Tamil Hindus. The ‘Saraswathy Mahal’ which was the Royal Library located in Nallur was burnt down by the Portuguese. It contained more than 90’000 rare and unique ola/palmaryh leaves manuscripts and copper plate records related to History, Science, Poems and lyrics, Novels, Theology and Astrology. Whatever was found/collected later were kept preserved in the Jaffna Library. Some of them that were translated by Arumuga Navalar, Thamotharam Pillai and Saminathaiyar were also kept in the Jaffna Library and was waiting for a comprehensive translation. All gone in smoke once again, completely destroyed this time by the Sinhalese to deliberately and systematically erase all the evidences of the past Tamil presence in the island.

              “what are the historical monuments in NE? Buddhist temples mainly and Hindu temples built by Cholas”

              There are hundreds of them, visit Jaffna and Trincomalee with a good guide and you can see them.

              “What is the main kovil of Tamils in North? Nallur. Who built Nallur? Sapumal , adopted son of Kotte king”

              Sempaha Perumal, called Sapumal Kumaraya by the Sinhalese, too was a Tamil (the son of Pannikkan), was adopted/raised by Parakrama Bahu IV.

              “Were tamils aliens in SL? No, tamils lived in SL, there was a tamil presence but they never treated SL as their homeland, it was simply where they made money and not a tamil civilisation..”

              Then what civilization was it in SL?

              Both Tamil and Sinhala kings ruled the Island alternatively right from the beginning of history and the civilization was created by both. It is not mentioned anywhere that the Sri Lankan civilization is a Sinhala civilization or Tamil civilization. They both contributed, even the Mahavamsa accepts it.

              “Any source that mentions any tamil kingdom in SL prior to Jaffna in SL? no SLn source”

              Any source that mentions any Sinhala kingdom in SL prior to Kotte and Kandy in SL? no SLn source.
              The Northern kingdom of Anuradapura and the Eastern kingdom of Polonnaruwa were NEVER known as Sinhala kingdoms. Both Tamil and Sinhala kings ruled these kingdoms alternatively.

              “Why did Chola mention the Sinhalas in SL and not Tamil kingdom? Was that invisible to Cholas?”

              The Chola kingdom in Sri Lanka itself was a Tamil kingdom. In the 9th century AD, under Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola, the island became one of the nine provinces of the Chola Empire and was called Eelam Mandalam. This Chola rule was the longest and the most far-reaching in terms of surface area by the Tamil power. The island remained a Tamil (Chola) colony under the rule of Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola.

              The Cholas left after a fierce battle with the Sinhala king of Ruhuna and that is what they mentioned as Sinhalas in SL.

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                For ignorant Tamils on the history of Sri Lanka..

                The professors who have studied the history of the Jaffna are Prof. Indrapala Karthigesu and Sirima Kiribamune

                I am copying here what Prof. Indrapala Karthigesu had written in his research book, ‘Dravidian settlement in Ceylon and the beginning of the kingdom of Jaffna.’

                “Until about 13th century AD the history of [Sri Lanka] was the history of Sinhalese people. From about the middle of the 13th century, it has been the history of Sinhalese and Tamil people in the island. From that time for over three centuries, the majority of Tamils were concentrated in a kingdom of their own in the northern part of the island. In 1620, the last of the Tamil rulers was executed by the Portugese conquerors who brought the Tamil areas under their rule’

                Again Indrapala writes

                “Looking back on the whole body of evidence that is available …we have to conclude that there was no widespread tamil settlements before tenth century”

                Again Indrapala writes

                “..on the slender evidence at our disposal it would be rather far fetched to claim there were permanent or widespread settlements of Tamil trading communities in the first millenium AD”

                Now this is what historian Indrapala says before he was abused and threatened by the Eelamists.

                I challenge can any tamil provide me with proper historical research that is contrary to what is said here.

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                  sach

                  “I challenge can any tamil provide me with proper historical research that is contrary to what is said by Prof. Indrapala.”

                  Ha, ha, ha…LOL!

                  In 2005, Prof. K Indrapala himself has totally rejected (in his book) what Mr. K Indrapala (a PhD student) said in 1965 (research paper).

                  40 years after his 1965 PhD thesis, Prof. Karthigesu Indrapala as a senior Archeologist/Historian says his PhD dissertation (with very limited material) is completely out of date (obsolete) that even he does not have a copy of his 1965 PhD thesis what he wrote 40 years ago as a PhD student. He further says in his recently published book, his 1965 PhD thesis (with full of assumptions and hypothesis) was presented as the first major attempt to bring together all available evidence on the subject and admits that it was in no way a complete study. With new findings in the field of archaeology during the 4 decades, he changed his views/opinions and assumptions.

                  This is what Prof K. Indrapala says about his 1965 thesis:

                  I was planning my postgraduate research, the late Prof. W.J.F. LaBrooy, my revered teacher and, at that time, Head of the department of History at the University, advised me to research into the early history of the Tamils of Sri Lanka for my doctoral dissertation, as he considered this aspect to be a serious gap in the known history of the Island. The thesis was completed with the material that was available in the early 1960s. As long as excavation work remains undone, I pointed out; much that is relevant to our study will be wanting… Even the inscriptions and literary works that we have used have proved to be inadequate in the reconstruction of a satisfactory history of the settlements and in the solution of many important problems. The thesis was presented as the first major attempt to bring together all available evidence on the subject. THE FACT THAT IT WAS IN NO WAY
                  A COMPLETE STUDY WAS ADMITTED. In view of these limitations and difficulties, while we may claim to have added something to our knowledge of the history of the Tamils of Ceylon, the account presented here is inevitably incomplete and not always definite. We have often been led to state our conclusions in hypothetical terms. NEEDLESS TO SAY, THAT DISSERTATION IS NOW COMPLETELY OUT OF DATE. MY OWN PERSPECTIVES AND INTERPRETATIONS HAVE CHANGED SINCE ITS COMPLETION. More importantly, significant developments, both in terms of archaeological research and changing historical perspectives, have taken place in the last four decades.

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              sachooooooooooooooooooooooooo the Stupid II

              “How long did Jaffna kingdom exist ? 200 years”

              It would have lasted forever if it weren’t for the 3.000 Sinhalese Lascarins who fought for the Portuguese, betraying the indigenous people which led to the invasion and occupation of this land and subjugation of its people.

              Were they your ancestors?

              Aren’t you ashamed of your ancestors?

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            What is this sinhala civilization you are talking about? Nobody has ever heard of a Sinhala civilization anywhere is Sri Lanka, which history book talks of a sinhala civilization? It is not mentioned anywhere that the ancient Sri Lankan Buddhist civilization was a Sinhala civilization or Tamil civilization. The truth is that there is no aspect of Sinhalese Buddhist culture? Ethnicity, religion and practices, language and script, customs and traditions – ALL OF THEM ARE FOREIGN OR BORROWED FROM TAMILS. The Myth of an ancient Sinhala Civilization- The building of a few tanks and canals to take water to the fields, and a few Dagabas does not make a civilization. These were BASIC ESSENTIALS of the economic & religious life of any settled community.

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            Which history book calls Tamil Nadu is a Tamil civilization? Which history book calls England is an English civilization? Which history book call India is a Hindu civilization? Which history book calls Cambodia is a Cambodian civilization?
            None right..In ancient world people did not put a name and started a civilization. An identity is developed with time.
            But contrary to your assertion history books foreign and local call SL as Sinhala. As I mentioned in my previous answer, Sinhala is mentioned in Allahabad inscription done by Ashoka, Sinhala is mentioned in the Hindu epics , Sinhala is mentioned in the histories in South India to Burma, Siam, Cambodia, China and Tamil Nadu.. How many times did I tell you cholas mention invasion of Anuradhapura kingdom as defeat of the Sinhala king. Look at their names, Mahinda .
            Sinhala Buddhists is not a stagnant culture that lived in a remote part of the world, we faced invasions, absorbed immigrants and many people around the world became a part of us. It is a trait that I adore in my community the ability to be flexible and adopt people from other cultures while giving importance to their practices. Therefore when they become a part of us naturally their practices and habits were also absorbed by the prevailing culture, Sinhala Buddhism. Same way Tamils’ practices and beliefs also got absorbed into our culture, when it comes to Portugese and English it is the same. And some kings deliberately adopted cultural practices and beliefs from Hinduism like Pattni cult. The important thing is no matter what came to SL as foreign, the Sinhalese retained their unique identity and their unique culture. That is because it was only an absorption.
            If you don’t know what Sinhala culture is or who the people are, just take a history book and learn who these people are without restricting yourselves to fake eelam history book. And learn about Sinhala folk tales, their dance forms, their life styles, their values, and what they celebrate. After seeing many racist comments by Tamils here I know Tamils know NOTHING about Sinhala people.
            Dagabos and irrigational system makes a civilization, that essentials are the building blocks of any civilization. So what did Tamils have in SL?
            I know many Tamil commentators here say Sinhala is not unique, there is no culture called Sinhala, there is no Sinhala civilization. While that does look like total ignorance of the country they are living in and ultra tamil racism they do that with a purpose. I will describe the purpose later on. And this commentator is not the first one to say that there is nothing called Sinhala, many Tamil racists here have mentioned it in this very forum. The ones went public with this racist uttering is GG Ponnambalam and now Wigneshwaran.

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              sach

              Ha, ha, ha…

              How did Sri Lankan civilization become Sinhala Civilization??? Sri Lanka was multi ethnic right from the beginning of history. Sinhala was just one of the many tribes and only after 10 AD there was a clear indication/identity of two separate nations, Sinhala and Tamil.

              “Look at their names, Mahinda”

              They are all Indian names.

              “If you don’t know what Sinhala culture is or who the people are, just take a history book and learn who these people are without restricting yourselves to fake eelam history book.”

              A 100% borrowed culture, tell me what do you have as your own creation.

              “And learn about Sinhala folk tales, their dance forms, their life styles, their values, and what they celebrate.”

              Everything is borrowed including the celebrations.

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            There are many evidence to Dutch bringing Tamils ( actually Kerala people) to Jaffna for tobacco plantations. How do you think tamils in north started growing tobacco? There are dutch records.And yes Dutch brought cinnamon peelers and settled them in south. No Sinhalese reject that unlike tamils.

            When Prabha was killed his aunt from Kerala gave an interview in an indian channel. That is not without any reason colonials referred to Tamils in North as Malabars.

            Which Tamil kings and in which period created Tamil caste Vellala? Tamil kings in SL? Who are they? How did they have authority to create a community in India? Do you realize you cannot manufacture a community?


            Yes. So the so called Tamil kingdom was not started by a Tamil but a North Indian. Why? How did the Tamils in north govern themselves before? Yes Kandy’s last kings were non Sinhala but they did not start anything they were appointed to the position by Sinhala ministers. And they placed their allegiance to the Sinhala state and committed to the sovereignty of the Sinhala state. But in Jaffna they were invaders who came to Jaffna ONLY for business purposes. They did not contribute anything to Jaffna. Kalinga Maga did not do any coronation and he did not adopt the title Aryachakravarthis.

            Yes and Kotte and Kandy are not the only Sinhala kingdoms in SL. Anuradhapura kingdom was started in 5 BC, Rohana Kingdom predates Anuradhapura kingdom, and Pollonnaruwa was started by Vijayabahu after defeating the cholas in 1050 AD. What were the tamils doing until then?
            Yes Sinhala royal families were never pure Sinhala. Check the rest of South Asia it is the same. And our Sinhala kings came into alliances with Pandya kings in SI and brought queens from there to consolidate their relationships via matrimony. And the last Sinhala king did not produce an heir. So his Telegu relative at the palace got it. And what does this prove at all? That Sinhala kings had genetic relations with South Indian and other indian royal families? So? The point is where ever they come from they identified as the Sinhala king and stood for the Sinhala sovereignty and the Sinhala nation. That is why our Sinhala people rallied behind them. But in Jaffna the founder was merely an agent of a south indian state who ruled Jaffna purely for business interests.
            For your information, Chola kings have North Indian origin and same can be said about many South Indian dynasties.

            Refer Dutch archives. LOL as if you had referred to any reputed historical research when writing down the garbage that you refer to as history. Do you know that reputed historical research consider SL as primarily a Sinhala civilization?


            Jaffna kingdom was a tributary of South Indian empire and then controlled by the Malaysian and later the Malaysian was defeated by an alliance of Parakramabahu 11 and Pandyas. But pandyas instead of giving the power to Parakramabahu retained Jaffna. Then it was saved by the Pandyas by Kotte king. Jaffna existed only as an independent chieftain only 2 centuries. Over all ( even during that period) the de jur ruler of the island was King of Kotte.
            And learn by the time Jaffna was conquered by Portugese the kingdom was limited ONLY to Jaffna peninsula.

            Why do you always compare Kotte and Jaffna? DO you understand that Kotte was a Sinhala kingdom while there was a relatively weaker Kandyan kingdom which is Sinhalese? Do you know there was another Seethawaka kingdom that fought against the Kotte and Portugese ? Do you know that with the death of Rajasinghe 1 the Sinhalese joined with King of Kandy? Yes Kandyan king entered into agreements with the dutch and the dutch did not honour it. How does that even relevant here?Federal setup under Dutch? LOL you are so funny if one forgets the racism part.
            The king of Kotte and then the king of Kandy was the de jure ruler of the whole island. That was accepted by the Jaffna rulers and again by Dutch and Portugese.

            Actually why do you talk about what Kandyan kingdom did? My question was did not Jaffna kingdom cease to exist after the death of Sankili? Yes it did and what happened to it after? It was administered by the Dutch. That is the point I make. Dutch administered North was not a federal set up with Kandyan kingdom but a conquered region. Federal set up with a feudal kingdom…lol


            A king cannot create a caste. It is a natural evolvement. Learn that first be more logical and less racist. Which tamil king created it? Sankili? Tell me about this..which tamil king created the so called Vellala caste? Are you saying chola? But you previously said there was no invasion from TN ne :p
            Had cholas created Vellala then why does not Vellala caste mentioned in SL until late centuries? What were they doing?

            The history debate in this island between the Sinhala and tamils did not start yesterday or after 1982. It was started way back in 1920s- 30s ( when universal suffrage was introduced to SL) , but these so called translations did not emerge then only after the library was burnt out. So what are these books? Why are they not mentioned in Yalpana Vaipavamalai?
            ‘The Tamils did not inscribe/engrave inscriptions on stones’ – yes so you accept that all the rock inscriptions around the island were made by Sinhalese. :) At the end of it you accept that the oldest Tamil literature in SL belongs to 17th century..you just give excuses for the lack of it.

            I have been there and seen them. Historical artifacts in North belongs to three groups.
            1. Ancient Buddhist ruins
            2. Kovils built by Chola rulers for the Tamil traders and mercenaries brought by them
            3. Ruins built by Sankili
            4. And colonial ruins..
            I am asking why there is NO archeological ruins that belong to a so called indigenous tamil civilization predating Sankili?

            Yes..adopted by a Sinhala king, a minister in a Sinhala court who gave their allegiance for the Sinhala nation..isnt it? So the Nallur was built by an agent from Sinhala kingdom. Can an agent of Sinhala kingdom go and build kovils in TN? No! why? Because Sinhala king had no authority over there. Then why did they build in North, because Sinhala king had authority over North.


            Please tell me the Tamil kings who ruled Sri lanka? Now don’t give me a list of invaders who came from India. Learn this simple fact if they came from India and displaced the current king it means in very simple words, an invasion. No local Tamil king ruled Sri lanka. Can two communities with different culture, religion and language form a single civilization in the ancient world? Are you mad? Sri Lanka is identified as Sinhala. For god sake take a look at history recorded in TN by Chola dynasty. For god sake learn some tamil history.
            Mahavamsa says they are INVADERS.

            When Cholas captured the King Mahinda ( look at the name) in Anuradhapura and ransacked Anuradhapura kingdom the title they gave themselves to mark that was ‘Singalanathan’.
            Allahabad inscription by Asoka talks about Sinhala.
            Mahavamsa written in 5Ad mentions Sinhala
            Burmese mention Sinhala
            Chinese mention Sinhala
            Siamese mention Sinhala
            Cholas mention Sinhala
            Hindu epics like Mahabharata and many other mention Sinhala
            By 8 AD we had Sinhala poems and Sinhala graffiti.
            Stone inscriptions all over the island shows the evolution of the Sinhala language.
            What more do you want to show that the people who formed the civilization here used to talk Sinhala and identified themselves as Sinhala?
            Even in Chola inscriptions in Welgamwehera in trinco it is mentioned in Sinhala name.

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            You did not answer my question. I asked you had there was a Tamil kingdom in SL, why did not the Chola make any mention about them in their own records?
            Because there was NO such kingdom….at that time!
            Yes Cholas called the conquered part as Eelam mandalam. Do you know what Eelam is in chola governing system?
            In chola government, every village is a governing unit. Villages made a Koram, kormas made a Valanadu, Valanadus made a Mandalam, and many Mandalams made an Eelam. Eelam in Chola governance system is simply a sub state. No wonder they called the conquered part in SL as an Eelam. And other sub states inside South India were called Eelam as well.
            And still it remains even the Cholas have not mentioned about any existence of a local tamil kingdom

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              such,

              I really feel sorry for you. You come across as pathetic and desperate! It is fair to say that more than half of the present day Sinhala are made up of people with migrants arrived during the colonial period! You cherry pick to feed your bigotry. You are an anti- Tamil racist and you confessed as such! Whatever you write will be checked against this mindset of yours. What you need to do is to grow up and be a good Sinhala Buddhist; can you do that for the sake of your own good?

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                I dont care what you call me. I write after doing a lot of research.

                Yes present day Sinhalese people have absorbed many immigrants that came to SL during colonial time. That is true not only for Sinhalese but for Tamils in TN as well.

                The point is this is the Sinhala homeland whether a good section of modern sinhalese are immigrants or not. I think denying the right of homeland for Sinhala people is genocide and a crime. And I will speak for them. Questioning tamil racism and false history is not racism. I have simply shed light to Tamil racist claims especially with regard to SL.

                I thank people like you and many Tamils here in CT for helping to understand who Tamils are. Otherwise i too would have blamed Sinhala leaders of the past for the mess in SL.

                If you can prove anything I have stated here as wrong you can go ahead and please use proper historical sources by historians.

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              Sach,

              “There are many evidence to Dutch bringing Tamils (actually Kerala people) to Jaffna for tobacco plantations.”

              Please, please, please show us at least one of those many evidence, a web-link or a reputed research paper. There is just one Dutch record which says they sold some south Indian slaves (Pallar) to the Vellalar farmers (tobacco field owners). The Sinhala racists have picked up that record and created a big story (exaggerated) saying Dutch settled South Indians in Jaffna for tobacco plantation. You people are very good at converting an ant hill into Himalayas.

              “When Prabha was killed his aunt from Kerala gave an interview in an indian channel.”

              A Tamil weekly in India quoted a woman from Kerala state claiming that Prabhakaran’s father Veluppillai was born in Kannanoor in Kollam district in Kerela state and had gone to Sri Lanka at the age of 22. Thereafter a vicious campaign was on to describe Prabhakaran as a Malayalee with Kerala roots due to the allegation that Veluppillai was from Kollam.

              Later it was found that it is not true because Prabhakaran’s father was not born in Kannanoor, Kerela but in Valvettithurau, Jaffna. He belonged to a famous Tamil family residing in VVT for generations. Veluppillai’s ancestors accumulated great wealth through commerce and trade and gained a reputation for philanthropy. Veluppillai’s lineage is called the Thirumeniyaar family in VVT and are hereditary trustees of the famous Valvettithurai Sivan temple. Prabhakaran’s paternal ancestors constructed the temple. The family is called the Esamaan kudumbam (master family) on account of their controlling the Sivan temple.

              “That is not without any reason colonials referred to Tamils in North as Malabars”

              Right from the beginning, the Europeans (Portuguese, Dutch and British) who came to Sri Lanka called the native Tamil Inhabitants of the NorthEast as Malabars.

              WHY???

              In the year 1498, VASCO DE GAMA’s landing in Malabar marked the beginning of the era of foreign Intervention in our region. The Dutch preceded the Portuguese, and then the British East INDIA Company had been on the Malabar Coast since 1684.

              So the Europeans (Portuguese) FIRST landed in Malabar (Kerela) and NOT Coramandal (TamilNadu) before coming to Sri Lanka. Later, it was from Malabar that the Portuguese came to Sri Lanka.

              When they arrived in Sri Lanka, they found two different ethnic groups living in Sri Lanka in two different areas, the one living closer to the Malabar coast (just a few miles across the sea) were speaking a similar language like Malabar, following a similar religion (worshipping the same Hindu Gods), a similar culture and eating a similar food (Pittu, Iddiaappa and aappa). Without any hesitation, they called them Malabars even though there was a Tamil Kingdom when they arrived.

              The Dutch who preceded the Portuguese continued to call them Malabars and the British also called them Malabars but later when the British realized the mistake, that they were Tamils and not Malabars, they corrected themselves.

              Let me give you some examples,

              The book ‘THE LAND OF THE TAMULIANS’ written in 1875 by a German missionary Rev. E. R. Baierlein says in his book (page 105):

              I have not been able to omit the primitive Church of Southern India, although its present place of residence is beyond the present boundraies of the land of the Tamulians. For the seperation of Malabar from the Tamil country, is of recent date; even our first missionaries call Tamil land Malabar and the language – even not very much diffrerent – Malabarish.

              Even the Dutch Predikant Philippus Baldaeus, priest/historian who knew the entire region (Malabar and Coromandal coasts) and also the differences between Malayalam and Tamil people and their languages very well, called the native Tamils of Jaffna as Malabars.

              It clearly shows that, that is how the Europeans started calling the native Tamil population of Sri Lanka right from the beginning. It’s not a big issue. Just because the Europeans called the native Tamils as Malabars that does not mean that the Tamil home land established from the 12th CAD along with its Kingdoms will be called Malayali homeland and Malabar kingdoms.

              The renowned Sri Lankan social anthropologist, Prof. Gananath Obeysekere who has done an extensive research on the Sri Lanka-Kerala link says, the Europeans calling the Northern Sri Lankan Tamils ‘Malabars’ was due to a case of MISTAKEN IDENTITY.

              If you go to Kerela, you will find that the Keralites by look have more resemblance to Sinhalese than Tamils. At that time when the caste discrimination was so extreme in Kerala many belonging to the lower caste, mainly people from Ezhava community, mass converted to Buddhism and migrated to Ceylon.

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              sach

              “Which Tamil kings and in which period created Tamil caste Vellala?”

              The Tamil caste system (categorised for different jobs) was created by the Tamil kingdom thousands of years ago. Each job is assigned a caste by the king. This was common in both Chola & Pandya kingdoms. Many Chola & Pandya kings ruled the Northern Kingdom of Anuradapura.

              “So the so called Tamil kingdom was not started by a Tamil but a North Indian. Why? How did the Tamils in north govern themselves before?”

              Not only the Jaffna Kingdom but even the Anuradapura and Polonarawa kingdoms were started by the North/South Indians.

              “The point is where ever they come from they identified as the Sinhala king and stood for the Sinhala sovereignty and the Sinhala nation.”

              It was the same in Jaffna. They identified as the Tamil king and stood for the Tamil sovereignty and also defended the Tamil nation. That is why our Tamil people rallied behind them.

              “Do you know that reputed historical research consider SL as primarily a Sinhala civilization?”

              Which reputed historical research was that? Can you site evidence?

              “Jaffna existed only as an independent chieftain only 2 centuries.”

              Jaffna existed as a main Kingdom for over 400 years and then as a separate federal state under the 3 colonial rulers for another 200 years.

              “You did not answer my question. I asked you had there was a Tamil kingdom in SL, why did not the Chola make any mention about them in their own records?”

              The Chola kingdom itself was a Tamil kingdom in SL. It is an obvious fact. What they mentioned in the record was, they fought a fierce battle with the Sinhalas. That happened after the 10 AD.

              “And other sub states inside South India were called Eelam as well.”
              Could you tell me one such sub state in South India that was called Eelam.

              Just for the sake of defending yourself you have dumped a whole heap of bull crap. Did you invent it from thin air?

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          Sinhalese racist keeping on repeating these lies will not make this a truth. Go to your Lankaweb and repeat all this racist venom and lies and it will be appreciated and relished especially by your recent Indian Tamil origin Karawa Queen.
          The Dutch imported hundreds of thousands of low casted indentured Indian Tamil slaves into the island. Only a few thousand were settled in Jaffna but the rest were all settled in the south to work in the huge cinnamon estates and their Sinhalised descendants are the Salagama. May be your own ancestors.
          Most of the so called present day Sinhalese are descended from these low case Indian Tamil indentured slaves and labour, imported into the island by the Portuguese and the Dutch and now their Sinhalised descendants like Ramona Sach, Nuisance Jimmy soft on the head are going around posting Tamil hate messages.
          Sinhalese racists sites like Lanaweb is full of them. They are led by a led by one of these descendants of these low caste South Indian imports named Jenali

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          Hi sach! seems you are not a historian, half baked with Mahavamsa Mind Set. When Buddhism was introduced to Lanka By King Asoka. Who lived in the Island What was their Religion. If you think Mahavamsa is the historical evidence then you are wrong. try and research don’t conclude that the Tamils have no history. since 9th Century Raj-Raja Cholan and his decedents ruled whole of Lanka till the 14th century. The Chola Kings concurred Cambodia and Indonesia-Bali. where Hindu Temples are still found and Puja’s are conducted. Sankilian was the last King of Jaffna who was killed by Portuguese in 1621. Tamils lost their Sovereignty to Portuguese and not to Sinhalese. The Sinhalese Political leaders grabbed our sovereignty from the British due to their numerical majority. And have dominated the political scene by spilling racial hatred and blood to remain in power in the post independence era for the past 60 years.

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    Thank you Dr Keetha.

    But the Vellala CM Wigneswara’s speech in Mulivaiakal, to commemorate the LTTE and Mr Pirahaparan’s Liberation battle, makes me think you should have tried to write about how the Dalits there, are coping with the Yahapalana VAT.

    Unless there are no Dalits after Batalandan Ranil, Bodhi Sira and Suren Surendran introduced Yahapalanaya and gave the Vellala TNA total control of the North.

    Including the right of its Vellala Leader to walk in to any Army Camp there, because its their Land which .President Sira acknowledged in public. and it is on Hard Copy.

    Mr Wigeswaran said clearly that no Reconciliation , or Devolution until the Yahapalana Government fulfill the TNA Manifesto item ,which demanded War Crime Trials by the UN .

    And tell him ( CM ) how the 140,000 innocent Tamils whom the Bishop Raiappu has in his report to the UN, were killed.

    Also the CM wants the killers found and punished by the UN..

    At the same time the CM made this ground breaking announcement. the PM of Canada said the following in his Mullivaikal message to the Tamils.

    “I Truedo as the Canadian PM demand that the War Crime Trials must be held with Foreign Judges in charge”.

    And I extend my deepest condolences and sympathy to the Canadian Thamils, for their suffering, pain and unbelievable losses for the 26 years of War.

    There you go.

    Now Dr Keethan might understand why the Vellala CM and the TNA want the right to have their own Embassies in the West.

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      KA Sumanasekera,

      “.the Vellala CM Wigneswara’s speech in Mulivaiakal, to commemorate the LTTE and Mr Pirahaparan’s Liberation battle, makes me think you should have tried to write about how the Dalits there, are coping with the Yahapalana VAT.”

      Did they not commemorate the death or killing of thousands of common masses (estiated by UN experts as 40, 000 and those using with official Registers of Districts, 146,000) including women, children and babies? Or the ordinary citizens do not matter to people like you? “Mr Pirahaparan” as you wanted to name him taking away his parents’ rights was not a “Vellala” still according to you CM W. did commemorate and he must be praised and not criticised.

      You cannot write anything except calling “Vellala” into your obsession.

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    Does it matter? Both are inept and have rendered themselves irrelevant to the Northern Province at a critical moment in its political evolution. A CM and a Council that have failed to pass most statutes to give effect to the provisions of the 13th amendment and have been returning most of the allocated money to the center, have been a blight on a people who been told for decades to seek more meaningful devolution, as a solution to their problems.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

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      Rajasingham — turned into classic sour-puss, if there was one!

      First, cheated out by MR, and now, despite desperate attempts, unable to find some opening to push though selfish agendas.

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    According to the “Asian Mirror” (24 April 2016) titled “Northern Provincial Council resolution demanding Federal Solution (FULL TEXT)” the NPC resolution is the same as the Tamil People’s Council proposal. It published the same text as the NPC resolution: http://www.asianmirror.lk/news/item/16130-northern-provincial-council-resolution-full-text

    It could be mistake. Then they should correct it. The strange thing is that the NPC website has not published the Resolution, not in English anyway. All matters relating to the constitutional proposals should be open and transparent.

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      Dr Laksiri Fernando
      I am surprised you can’t distinguish between a proposal and a demand. Just because asian mirror journalist decided to give the caption to his article it doesn’t mean that is the title of the proposal by NPC.
      I wonder where your did your PhD and who your external examiners were.

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    Encouraging to read of more Sri Lankan Tamils coming to terms with the errors of their previous leaders – and some current leaders, still.

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    Isn’t it sad to see chair for the conflict resolution department,like many others, couldn’t see how conflict between several political forces at home and among diaspora have been cleverly and carefully managed by Mr wigneswaren to move towards a pragmatic solution. Wish he and many others have knowledge to read between the lines to see how water is flowing although it’s flooded not that difficult to see the direction.

    As so many forces pulling and pushing the bucket in different directions all Tamil leaders collective effectiveness may come down to zero unless they give up their petty mindedness and sit and talk together genuinely to accept a strategy for progress to promote a constitution for amicable participating democracy for srilanka acknowledging and accommodating political rights and power sharing woth minorities to create a unified srilankan identify to all equal citizens.

    I should give credit to the author for saying “therefor it seems that this resolution has been passed as a discussion paper rather than a set of demands. He nailed it there. Hope he will continue to give constructive contribution for this difficult negotiating process and encourage all Tamil political leaders to sit around the table to find a common ground to put the horse before the cart.

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    The author is right in pointing out the “illiterate” approach of the NPC to talk about autonomous regions for the Muslims and the UCT. This is like creating unnecessary headache and diversion when even their own is still hanging in the balance. If “anarchy” or whatever is in the cards, then it reflects the stupidity and lack of maturity. The NPC should focus on the issue on and – to further the Federal structure sort of system for the North and East.

    The author’s endorsement of the “contentment” among the UCT is to, say the least, how a regime would expect and want a behaviour that is blissfully and perennially downtrodden and pathetic. The dire straits of UCT and their pathetic life reflects a standstill in time forgotten and the regime had earned their day by filling the pockets of some politicians who are the phony champions. For the author to praise such ludicrous and shameful connivance as “obedient” citizens smacks of hypocrisy and reflects a mind that is in tandem with what the regime would want him to say and believe. Worse, for him to expect the Tamils to toe the line in a similar fashion which will gift the Tamils as “good” citizens.

    While he had saluted the NPC’s sort of independent proposals as opposed to the Report commissioned by the CM, his grief that the NPC had not shared a similar approach like that of the of the UCT shames his position as a conflict resolution personality – that in his thinking conflict can easily be resolved by expecting all the parties to agree to what he thinks is right. If at all, his skills can be put to good use if he can get all the Sinhala parties to sit around the same table and stop them using the Tamils as their political scapegoats to propel them to power. It is this menace that had essentially prevented this country from ever achieving peace. So, is he smart enough to realise that he is barking at the wrong tree?

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    The writer is so confused and don’t know the difference between the Proposals by the NPC and the TPC. The CT has way too many ignorant writers!!

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      [Edited out]

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        PROUDMAN,

        `[Edited out]`

        quite a phew! start filing them.

        Now well, lets say if one pulled your pigtail you’d
        probably say `oink, oink`!

        you don’t need to be overdosed with drug—cocaine!! or ganja!!

        just jump off the bus:))))

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    It is difficult to understand why Tamil politicians asking separate provinces without considering how many Tamils have residence in other province engaging their businesses and occupations. These greedy politicos doesn’t know the meaning of reconciliation they only interest to secure their votes for the next election. That is why they behaving like this. General public all are innocent. it doesn’t matter about a race. Sinhalese and Tamils are in the same situation with small pease of cake compared to the politicians.

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      Teni:

      “General public all are innocent. it doesn’t matter about a race. Sinhalese and Tamils are in the same situation with small pease of cake compared to the politicians.”

      No, you are grossly wrong. The general public is NOT innocent. They are moronic IGNORANT idiots who will sell off their right to exercise their rights to the highest bidder and sell their souls to the devil. It is such a heinous crime they commit that the whole country suffers and a few idiotic samaritans pitch their lives to reverse the curse. The politicians are who we make them as.

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      Teni,
      I would like to correct your statement first that Tamil politicians are not asking for seperate provinces. They are asking for justice. It is very simple to understand why Tamils are asking for their demographic right to administer the provinces where they are majority. If you look at the population distribution at the time of independence and before you will see that these North Eastern provinces were constitute 95% tamil speaking population. You are right that Politicians are not interested people. They are interested in power. Since the Sinhalese politicians are competing each other and they have the power to administer the whole country, they used Tamils as a ball and play football game. You know what happened in 1958, 1962,1977 & 1983. Tell what can they do to protect themself to secure their existence in the land where they lived for over 2000 years.

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    Poaching by Tamil Nadu fisherman in Sri Lanka’s water has affected the livelihood of Tamil fishermen in Sri Lanka. If it is not for the Sri Lankan Navy the situation of these fishermen could be even worse. Has Wigneshwaran done anything about this problem. NO. He is only interested in grabbing more powers so that Vellala elites have greater control over low caste Tamils. Giving a Federal State with more powers is not going to do much to the low caste Tamils in the north. I read that segregated schools are on the rise in Jaffna after the defeat of LTTE.

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    During the Vanni rule there was plenty of Fish. there was poaching neither by the Indians nor by the multinational gigantic trawlers with floating tinning factories. Through the recent and distant past fishing , sailing and pearling has been the main income of the Tamils. The agriculture, govt jobs, and other business are second to fishing. It supported and employed more people than the number of actual fishermen. It fulfilled the nutritional requirement of the Tamils for ages. At the moment Tamils have totally lost the fishing rights and fishing income.

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    I am still trying to figure out why did we vote for Wigge. We did vote him in for one reason that is to run the provincial council. Once he took over the position of CM, his job is to administer and manage the council. Whether should the council get land and police power as provided under 13th amend is something for TNA parliamentarians to take up with the GoSL and work it out. While council running made to look like a dog breakfast, the CM’s focus seems to have sadly shifted to things that help radicalize the younger ones. No one expects a council to sort out the national issue, or a discussion paper for that matter, what we expect is simple things that the council supposed to constituted to do to its populace. Leave the bigger issues to the center.

    To come up with kind of resolution that Author says TPC came with, seems like they should have been dreaming while deliberating this issue. Despite several methods over the years, we have not advanced even an inch in finding a solution to the vexed issue, how could they try and find something for the other minorities. History, after so much loss, hasn’t taught a lesson that confrontational approach never work, what else could?. If they don’t know how to run a council, how could entrust a region under these guys’ jurisdiction.

    Cannot blame anyone as we all thought it was a good move bringing a level headed guy like Wigge to the politics, but we all proven to be wrong and Sampanthan might be cursing himself playing the lead role in this. Sad to see Wigge siding with one side’s extremists, playing into the other side’s extremist, thus giving the current regime enough excuses to get away from sorting the issue, once and for all. He has had a good live, but it is only our younger ones who has to go through yet other 30 years cycle to learn what we have learnt, painfully.

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    I think Dr S I Keethapongalan is trying to creat a negative image about Northern Provincial Council Chief Minister as an acive radical and arrogant extremist because he talks about self-determination of Tamils of North eastern Region, he talks about the impact of the presence of military (Sinhala only) in the North East on saftey of women, occupation of military on people’s land, uncontrolled violence and the growth of drug related crimes etc. NPC has the right to give their proposals like any other organisation in this country. You don’t need military strength or power to pressuise to speak about truth. Wigneswaran or NPC never asked to deny the rights of Sinhalese, Muslims or Upcountry Tamils. There never said this is the only solution that brings equal rights to each and every one. I would have appreciated if Dr Keethapongalan spent the time spent on this article to present a detailed proposal to find a solution to the problems of the country that emerged since 1948.

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    Those who assert rights and justice are being described as “radicalized people”! The world has come to this level even in universities! Only a section of humanity is entitled to ‘rights and justice’imply some with PhDs! But some people will be a minority among a People with genuine grievances and legitimate aspirations.

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    It looks like Dr. S.I.K. Ponkalan wants to solve the national issues that were created by either UNP led governments and SLFP led governments through his ideas. When SWRD invited SJVC and signed the pact,was there a military power led by SJVC that made SWRD to find a political solution ? Didn’t the red comrades support the BC pact then ?
    What happened between 1948 and 1983 ? How many riots & state terrorism ?
    Was there any positive steps taken to resolve the political issues concerning the minorities ?

    Why the JR-Rajiv agreement fully implemented even after 2009 ? MR had 5 1/2 years to resolve it with the help of other Southern leaders and the clerics. But why pick on CM Wiggi and blame him ?

    Dr. SIKP you are younger than both Wiggi and Sam band an, why not become the CM of NPC through the due process and serve your beloved SL. Even you can become a leader like JR who claimed he practised Dharma and spread Dharma.

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    Federal system of governance established almost all the countries when small small units united to formed big state.here situation is entirely different.if Tamil want independant country they can establish one in Tamilnadu traditional historical home land of Tamil community. here Tamils came either as invaders occupiers or mercenaries . they trying to show world they had separate kingdom here quoting their south Indian dynasties occupation or invasions here like like chola and pandyans.

    Jaffna peninsula was part and parcel of our Rajarata kingdom under the name of yapa patuna territory ruled by a yapa or earl on behalf of rajarata kingdom. yapa were kings closed relatives like cousin brothers,brother in laws, grand sons like that. that was so until price from kallinga deshaya or kallinga country occupied Rajarata at Polonnaruwa era.at the same time another unexpected invasion took place from south Asian Buddhists looking possession of sacred tooth relic as they south east Asians including indo china area like Kampuchea Vietnam, Loas lost their traditional pilgrimage sights in north India due to Muslims occupation there. Javan prince called chandrabanu looking for emperor post in that entire region if possess custody of tooth relic wanted to get possession of it somehow invaded Island but sinhalese kingdom established in dambadeniya defeated him but he travel led north wards got jaffna yapa’s help who fall out with king due to family dispute and established separate administration there awaiting opportunity to get hold of possession of tooth relic in order to fulfilled his ambition to become emperor of his region. as hinhalese kingdom could not fight in two front pandyan help requested. pandyan defeated chandrabanu but entered into an agreement and let him govern jaffna territory as it was. as per the agreement pandyans promised to help chandrabanu to get hold of possession of tooth relic and he had to help pandyans to establish trading in south east Asia and far east including china via malacca.

    Though sinhalese defeated maga and retook rajarata kingdom had to move out again due to that agreement between pandyans and chandrabanu for the safety of tooth relic.kingdom established in Gampola.

    nobilities and higher officers of maga’s mercenary forces got rajarata area divided among them and made chieftains territories. population were weddas, sinhalese and mercenary soldiers. keralist mercenary soldiers mixed with weddas and sinhalese community formed vanni tamils community.

    Jaffna territory remained tributary paying territory of pandyan dynastry but with different administration appointed by pandyans. north Indian prince who took refuge in Madurai due Muslims occupation there led forces against chandrabanu’s administration and his allied forces led by two sinhalese prince took jaffna and ruled that territory under the name of arya chakrawarthi as north Indian affinity was acceptable to sinhalese than south Indian affinity.anyway that administration had to be vassal of south Indian dynasties all the time as military power could not master among sinhalese population or vanni wedda population against sinhalese kingdom in the south. aryachakrwarthi had to get military support from south Indian mercenaries always.

    in 1335 pandyan dynasty collapsed due to Delhi sultanate occupation, pandyans nobilities and members of royal family had seek refuge in jaffna territory in order to avoid forced conversion to Islam and taking their ladies as sex slaves.that event paved the way for existence of another Tamil community called jaffna Tamils in the island.

    In kotte era whole country including jaffna territory came under one flag. in the year 1557 ruler of jaffna territory called sankilii I who was revolted by sinhalese killed all the sinhalese residence in jaffna peninsula at the instructions of haughty pandyan population. ninety thousand of sinhalese killed and equivalent number expelled to vanni as per records available in lisbon archive. that prompted kotte regent tammita bandara brother of veediya bandara to request viceroy in Goa and king of Portugal to take over jaffna territory.

    as such sinhalese colonization in rajarata in twentieth century should have been extended to include manner, vauniya, kilinochchi and vauniya as well as gigantic water reservoirs with irrigation water feeding systems existed there built by our rajarata kings like dathusena, moggallana and agbho.

    As such Tamils have no rights whatsoever to ask for federal system of governance here. they have to put up with power sharing system under unitary system .

    Before arrival of Buddhism sive hellayans or sinhalese were practicing anihism. believing and worshiping dead souls of relatives. no kovil or temple erected. only the vimanaya or small paradise like area reserved for them very small structure for the tributes paying. prasadaya or mansion or palace for them were imaginary ones. they themselves had erect one as per their wish. it is said to be seven storied one always. on a rock or huge tree.Hinduism came here with chola and pandyan occupation or with queens brought for kings.in Jajarata era.

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    “As such Tamils have no rights whatsoever to ask for federal system of governance here. they have to put up with power sharing system under unitary system “

    Is not this the same as a federal System? the Provincial Council system which is now accepted by all parties is a miniature Federal System.It is the back bonelessness of the Chief Ministers and the Provincial Council members that had prevented the Provincial Councils blosseming as a federal system

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    What he showed us and what he become “CV Wigneswaran”

    I’m not a politician, I only wish to serve my suffering people’
    Well-known for his fiery speeches since retiring from the Supreme Court in 2004 and now stepping into the court of politics, as the TNA’s Chief Ministerial candidate for the upcoming NPC election, Justice Wigneswaran shares little known aspects of his life with Namini

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