26 June, 2017

Muslim Feminists, Anti-Reformists, The MMDA & The Ground Realities

By Sabra Zahid

Sabra Zahid

The anti- reformist sections within the Muslim community, in relation to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA), allege that the “Muslim feminists are stirring issues” “asking for all sorts of things”, “making a mountain out of a molehill”, “want to change the Shariah“, and other accusations. They also allege that the Muslim feminists have made it so detrimental to the point of no return that all that is left is “damage control”.

They fail to understand that the reform conversation did not just begin with the so called “Muslim feminists”. The call for reform and these conversations began over 50 years ago, with many movements and groups advocating for reforms and also with many committees appointed by successive governments albeit yielding no consequences. Those spearheading the reformist movements in the past, did so within the community and within the ‘Islamic frameworks’ and their understanding of Shariah law. When they said whatever that they said, it was always backed through Islamic jurisprudence and examples from related Muslim contexts. Nothing happened. No one listened to them. Not the government, not the Muslim politicians, not even the bodies (albeit unelected) representing the Muslims of this country. So the so-called “Muslim feminists” took it a step further, calling out that conservatives will use any excuse to retain the status quo, reminding everyone of the principles of equality and non-discrimination and framing the issues in a discourse about citizenship and rights of Muslims as Sri Lankans.

Those opposing reform speak of the infallibility of the Shariah. They quote Hadith (practices of the Prophet) and their interpretation of religious text, to support their side of the argument. In doing they continue to ignore the lived realities/ experiences of women and children; the stories and the numbers. When someone relates a story, aghast they would retort “subhanallah!“, “asthagfirullah!” in mock horror. All mere words. These non-reformist elements, assume that those administering the law are infallible, as perfect as the Prophet. So they oppose that safeguards should be put in place to prevent the abuse or the excesses of the law. They also go on the ridiculous notion that the MMDA is Shariah and to change the MMDA is to change the Shariah, failing to understand in the very essence that different types of law compromises the MMDA.

Their arguments on basic right-based issues are also shortsighted. For example on the age of marriage, or on the lack of a minimum age of marriage (under the MMDA girls younger than 12 can be given in marriage), one argument that a conservative scholar put forth was on the basis that it is for an ailing father of a 11 year old girl child to ensure her protection through a marriage. It is outrageous that no other viable alternative apart from marriage for an 11 year old for that matter can be thought of by these types. These types go on the assumption that a marriage will always work. What of the reality of the actual lived experiences of women who have been given in marriage at a young age, now divorced, with children, and no education or any source of income? What about the countless cases of young girls abandoned by their husbands for second wives and the domestic violence that ensues in many of these cases? The Unequal Citizen’s study stated that there are many cases where husbands divorce their young wives on the perverted basis that they are “unable to have sex or do housework”.

On Muslim men’s right to take multiple wives, conservatives draw the example of the Prophet, who entered into marriages of alliances, married widows, etc. They also somehow miss the point that, the Prophet, apart from through his first wife (who was a business woman, much older than him) never had any children through his other wives. Moreover, the prophet’s sons in law, did not take multiple wives while, married to his daughters either. In any case, these types support polygamy on the basis that widows, “etc” need the protection and the respectability that a marriage could give them, ignoring the reality that in practice this is not what happens. There are multiple cases of men marrying multiple wives at the expense of their wives and children. Almost always it is those who cannot afford to even maintain one wife, who, for whatever reason enters into multiple marriages. It is also only in very rare circumstances that the consent of the first wife or wives-to-be is sort for the subsequent marriages. There are also many cases, where women only find out only much later that their husbands have other wives.

When it comes to divorce, the conservatives types, state that the Islam has the most liberal laws when it comes to divorce, which they support through an incident where a woman during the Prophet’s time came upto the Prophet and said that she wanted a divorce, although she cannot pin it down to a particular reason and this the Prophet allowed. So that is the example shown. Of course under the MMDA, there are types of divorce available to women; fasah which is fault based, where the wife’s side of the story must be corroborated by witnesses, which again will be heard and determined by a male Quazi (judge), supported by an all-male jury. The other types of divorce available (mubarat, khula) all needs the consent of the husband or a repayment of funds to him. Contrast this with the option available to men, ie “talaq” which can be sought without stating reasons or undergoing any case hearings.

These anti reformist types argue that, Islam gave women rights, so much so that even if a woman earns and can afford it, she does not have to contribute to the household expenses, because that it is the responsibility of the husband. Similarly under the MMDA, maintenance of the wife and child is assumed where the wife is living with the husband. So a wife cannot seek maintenance during the period of marriage, even in instances where the husband does not support her, which is a reality that cannot be ignored. Under the MMDA, on divorce, maintenance is paid only upto the period of iddat and where a woman is pregnant, up until the baby is delivered. How does one expect, a woman with no education or income, married at a very young age, to deal with this kind of reality?

In terms of consenting to a marriage, the anti-reformist elements say that under the divine law a marriage devoid of consent is invalid. Under the MMDA, there is no safeguard to ensure that consent for marriage is in fact obtained from the girl. Under the MMDA this consent is communicated through the girl’s wali (guardian), and the MMDA always assumes that the wali in fact has the best interest of the girl. This best interest is despite what the girl wants for herself.

In terms of appointing women as Quazi’s and jurors, there are all sorts of arguments put forth, such as, women’s emotional instability due to menstruation, the inability of women to retain so much information in their brains, the inability to handle a brawl at the courts (“a male Quazi can call the police and handle it, but a woman will be afraid”) and so on. I have nothing to say there, except maybe ask these folks to visit the general courts of this country and see what goes on there.

These anti- reform elements, also blame the feminists for talking about Muslim personal laws when there are others problematic laws such as the Kandyan Law, and the Thesawalamai Law. Now for those who speak about Islam as a religion where women were “given rights” before any other women elsewhere, now I don’t see why they need to defend the problems that the MMDA poses or hold from reforming the Muslim personal laws on the basis that the other personal laws are problematic.

The government replying to experts on the UN Committee for Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) on 22 February 2017, made it sound like the government is now working on the recommendations of the Committee which was appointed in 2009 by the then Justice Ministry to look into Muslim Personal Law reforms. In the absence of proper information, there are all sorts of stories that, certain sections within the Committee are backing out from the process, and then again when those sections are questioned, they say that they have done their part and now they don’t know at which stage the process is at. This can be remedied if the entire process was transparent, with proper timelines being given and adhered to.

Personal attacks are made against these “Muslim Feminists”, the anti-reformists also point out to a few who are “doctors”, “lawyers”, to say that there is no problem for Muslim girls as they are educated. Few speak up because of the relatively privileged position that they are in and although the problems are more prominent in the communities, the socio-economic and cultural contexts that they are in prevents these women from taking a more vocal stance on this. Added to this of course there are many myths and misconception such as the divineness of the MMDA. In the heart of the matter is the fact that the practical issues faced by Muslim women and girls and their every day realities are completely ignored by conservatives. They are also failing time and again to realize that Muslims women and girls too are Sri Lankan citizens, deserving of every ounce of equality and fundamental rights as citizens.

It is in this environment that the so-called “Muslim feminists” operate.

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    Sabra Zahid

    RE:” Muslim Feminists, Anti-Reformists, The MMDA & The Ground Realities

    (244 Words)

    //”The anti- reformist sections within the Muslim community, in relation to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA), allege that the “Muslim feminists are stirring issues” “asking for all sorts of things”, “making a mountain out of a molehill”, “want to change the Shariah“, and other accusations. They also allege that the Muslim feminists have made it so detrimental to the point of no return that all that is left is “damage control”//.

    It is all about the hegemony f the Ulama, Mullah and Imams. The Catholic Popes did that, until the Age of Reason and Enlightenment.

    What did the most respected and knowledgeable Islamic Scholar. Jurist, Polymath, and Philosopher, Ibn Rushd, say in the 12th Century CE, say about the Theologians. They ate literaists, and are NOT the people f knowledge who can understand the knowledge contained in the “Precious Book”, the Quran.

    .It comes from the authorities that know through their “experts” the dangers of people basing their lives, politics and thought on reason and evidence instead of superstition.

    Therefore, philosophy threatens to expose political authorities and social oppression. In addition to the authorities, incitement comes from those who are unable to reach the intellectual heights of true scholars, and who only use knowledge to further their own interests.

    This group always accuses scholars of rational, deductive sciences of heresy.

    References:

    Ibn Rushd in his darkest hour

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/artsandculture/2015/4/9/ibn-rushd-in-his-darkest-hour

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      Sabra Zahid

      RE: Muslim Feminists, Anti-Reformists, The MMDA & The Ground Realities

      Here is a song for rallying the people for reform of MMDA. Replace man with woman.Make your own song, and make every girl and woman sing.

      Isn’t this the democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka? Ask the President, the MPs and the Supreme Court.

      Bob Dylan-Blowing in the wind Lyrics
      Bob Dylan-Blowing in the wind

      How many roads must a man walk down
      Before they call him a man
      How many seas must a white dove sail
      Before she sleeps in the sand
      How many times must the cannonballs fly
      Before they are forever banned
      The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
      The answer is blowing in the wind

      How many years must a mountain exist
      Before it is washed to the sea
      How many years can some people exist
      Before they’re allowed to be free
      How many times can a man turn his head
      And pretend that he just don’t see
      The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
      The answer is blowing in the wind How many times must a man look up
      Before he can see the sky
      How many years must one man have
      Before he can hear people cry
      How many deaths will it take till he knows
      That too many people have died
      The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
      The answer is blowing in the wind

      The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
      The answer is blowing in the wind

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECts2eyqAsQ

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      Sabra Zahid –

      Are sri Lankn Ulama, Mullah anfd Immama Stupid a and lazy, or is it just hegemony?

      Spectacular, a decent Muslim Scholar says Islamics are lazy idiots on memri.tv

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0K7A_V7XHQ

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      Sabra Zahid

      RE:” Muslim Feminists, Anti-Reformists, The MMDA & The Ground Realities

      Arab Intellectual – Muslim Failure- Ulama Faikure

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPKYKhTp8U&t=224s

      Is it the stupidity Sri Lankan Ulama, Mullahs and Imams, whose average IQ is 79?

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    Sri lankan muslims marriage law is very primitive extremely discriminatory to other religions. it demands conversion of people from other religions.

    Muslim Marriage is law very racist for devotees of other religions. Itis an indirect way to convert, mistly womn, into Islm.

    v) Marriage with an infidel man:
    A marriage contracted by a Muslim woman with a non-Muslim man, irrespective of what religion or faith he belongs to, is batil or void ab initio.
    Referring to Muslim women in so married, Allah says in Sura Mumtahana
    :
    “They are not lawful (wives)
    For the Unbelievers, nor are The (Unbelievers) lawful (husbands) For them
    .

    (vi) Marriage with an infidel woman:
    A Muslim male can contract a valid marriage not only with a Muslim woman, but also with a
    kitabia
    that is a woman following a revealed religion such as a Christian or Jewess. In
    Sura Maida
    Allah says:
    “Lawful unto you in marriage
    Are not only chaste women Who are believers, but Chaste women among The Peop
    le of the Book…

    The position is different where a Muslim male marries an idolatress (e.g. a Hindu) or a fire-worshiper.
    Sura Baqara contains a strict injunction against marrying “Unbelieving
    women idolaters ( mushrikathi ) until they believe.” There is
    a paucity of judicial decisions on this question. The only decided case involved the marriage of a Muslim man to a Buddhist woman, which was held to be void until she is converted to Islam

    THE MINIMUM AGE IN SRI LANKA FOR OTHER RELIGIONS IS 18 YEARS. BUT FOR MUSLIMS EVEN 8 YEARS HAD BEEN OK. Muslims are Simply animals in Sri lanka. There are many like this.

    the formal consent of the bride is necessary only if she has lost her virginity due to sexual intercourse. It is submitted that the term
    „woman‟ in the above provision refers to a female who has arrived at puberty (
    bulugh
    ).
    35
    This is
    to be contrasted with the use of „girl‟ in certain other sections of the Act
    36
    to
    refer to females who have not attained the age of twelve years which is “an age practically coincident with, or at least not far removed from, that of puberty.”
    37
    The resulting position is that while a girl belonging to the “Shaffie sect” could be contracted
    in marriage by her wali with the authority of the Quazi,
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    a woman above the age of puberty cannot be given in marriage without her consent, irrespective of whether she is a virgin or not.

    The minimum age of marriage for non-Muslims is 18 years in terms of §15 of the Marriage Registration Ordinance No. 19 of 1907 (CLE 1956 Official Ed. Cap 112) as amended by Act No. 11 of 1963, Act No. 3 of 1970, Act No. 18 of 1995, Act No. 12 of 1997, Act No. 11 of 2001, Act No. 36 of 2006 and Act No. 38 of 2006.
    30

    See for example,
    Mukamadu Lebbe v Mohamado Tamby – 1 MMDLR 40 where the marriage of a girl only eight years old

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      Budhists monks rape young girls and boys. Compared to that Muslims are much better,.

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        AJ

        I am trying to understand your point. monks rape therefore let muslim women and children suffer? or because monks rape, we must accept the Muslim leaders attitude on this topic? the attitude that the system is okay and does not need change?

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          i am using the same logic Sihalese are using. America committed war crimes, so why cant we? I just borrowed the logic from other Sinhalese

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        Dear AJ,

        I’ve actually taught some Logic – to a now famous man: Ravinatha Ariyasinha who replaced Tamara Kunanayakam at the Geneva office of the UN. Myself never been to Europe! To explain that bit of personal history further, I’d been a village English teacher; sat my GAQ externally with Philosophy as one of the three subjects. One paper was Symbolic Logic, and I had already some knowledge of Aristotelian Logic. I was pretty thorough with the other paper on “The Problems of Philosophy”, and, of course I took a genuine interest in my soft third subject, Western Classical Culture as well.

        There was nobody who was in a position to teach those who were to sit two years after me (my external results took exactly a year to come – and that after the matter was raised in Parliament by that – literal – giant of a man, M. Sivasithamparam -from Vavuniya, wasn’t he? Illustrates how non-racist many of us were then!)

        So, Ravinatha got a group together at his Borella home, and I must have given them at least twenty four hour lessons. How they completed their external degrees, I don’t know! As for me, I entered Peradeniya as a full time student, and read only the one subject, English, there – but my sub was Philosophy, where (now Dr) S.V. Kasynathan taught me Wittgenstein.

        You will see an account of some of the “extra-curricular activities” that we indulged in, as comments on this article:

        https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/university-of-peradeniya-may-1983-when-majesty-stoops-to-folly/

        “But The Sinhala Man & Tamil Man (Sivasegaram) remind us of the comedians in Tamil cinema. Each time I try to read their comments, I appreciate their language ability, which we youngsters don’t have. But towards the end of reading, we are left with a bad taste as if they are only ‘I specialists’ “

        That comment by “Kumaran Selvarajah” is almost the last of sixty. He then says this:

        “May be this is a good occupation for them, during their old age, to while away their time.”

        I will submit this now, owing to the word limit.

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        Continuing from where I left off, Dr S.V. Kasynathan has said this:

        “I mention this partly because I am tickled by a somewhat perceptive remark from one of the commentators in CT that I had stirred myself around this time to complete my Ph.D. I was stirred into action but only by the Vice chancellor who not long after this wrote to me threatening to throw me out of my job unless I completed the degree within a few months. I have suspected that his knowledge somehow of this particular advice of mine, along with his certainty about my unfailing capacity for distraction, might have had something to do with the VC’s abrupt keenness on my further education.”

        So, even I can make the occasional ” perceptive remark”!

        Dear AJ, I take it that you are NEITHER Sinhalese nor Buddhist. I have now laboriously established the fact that I am a Sinhalese who knows some Logic. Deductive Logic cannot tell me who you are. INDUCTIVE Logic tells me that you are Tamil Speaking and Hindu OR Muslim OR Christian, since in this “land like no other” everybody is irrationally assigned one of those religions.

        I have spent quite a time putting these comments in. Now I must submit this, and by tomorrow morning make the comment I wanted to make about your notion of Logic!

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          I am 100 % Sinhala but got married to a Tamil. I am neither Tamil, Christian nor Muslim. I finished my phd in psychology where i have to use inductive and deductive reasoning throughout my thematic analysis. I have 3 masters from various countries in psychology. I won more than 15 lawsuits without a lawyer, including 2 against the Sri Lankan airlines. You dot have to explain logic to me. I appreciate your attempt.

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          Dear AJ,

          Thanks for politely showing me who you are, and that you are very much more knowledgeable than I can possibly be. Your openness makes it much easier for me to respond, but some of the things that I have stated above may make it easier for some other readers to figure out how much effort has to go in to any effort to educate myself.

          The point I was trying to make about the argument that you adduced was only this: there will be problems within every group of people because human beings are given to selfish manipulation of others. Within that group there will be exploitation, but it’s often the system that is to blame, and it’s that system that must be changed.

          But such systems can’t go on flouting decencies for ever. In the case of America, they have problems, but we shouldn’t use that as an excuse to create problems of our own. Even the essentially decent Obama had to allow things to happen that were not very nice because the system dictated it.

          As for the horrible Trump, to me the signs are that he may get overwhelmed by the contradictions in the positions that he has adopted. I wonder whether he will be able to last out the four years that he was elected for.

          Protests do have results – so that is my message to these Islamic feminists; you may meet with some success – clearly there are many decent Muslim men, as well as us who wish it.

          Have I conveyed any worthwhile message? I’m not sure, although I have written a lot!

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            I think you simplified some of issue. I agree that system is part of the problem. But within a, humans do not have enough cogitative resources to create a individual prototype e for individuals within a group. Firstly only due to this fact the groups and stereotypes are formed. Evolutionary psychologists says it is part of a survival strategy. I just provided a alternative opinion from cognitive psychology. Everybody have a different perspective on this matter, and this is not the right forum to discuss this productively.

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    Sabra Zahid

    RE: Muslim Feminists, Anti-Reformists, The MMDA & The Ground Realities

    Part 2.
    (293 Words)

    “Nothing happened. No one listened to them. Not the government, not the Muslim politicians, not even the bodies (albeit unelected) representing the Muslims of this country. So the so-called “Muslim feminists” took it a step further, calling out that conservatives will use any excuse to retain the status quo, reminding everyone of the principles of equality and non-discrimination and framing the issues in a discourse about citizenship and rights of Muslims as Sri Lankans.”

    It is ALL about the Theologians, Ulama, Mullah, Imam Hegemony. They will twist Sharih to their own advantage.

    Using political reasons, Theologians tried to prevail, and it was downhill for Islamic Science and Philosophy from there.

    From Islamic History and Philosophy , there is the controversy with the Philosophers and the theologians. Revelation trumps everything says the theologians, and the “Precious Book” Quran is a book of knowledge, and must be understood, and interpreted with reason, and only the Philosopher can do that, not the Theologians, who are parrots, who literally translate, says Ibn Rushd.

    Will the Sri Lankan Ulama and Imams get the Muslim Intellectuals to be burnt, including others Comments? Ibn Rushd in his darkest hour Despite his philosophical brilliance Ibn Rushd was banished and his writings burnt, like it was done 900 years ago, because it a challenge to the hegemony of the Theologians?

    In all the struggles endured by free thinkers in which they were either killed or exiled, we find the same elements of decline no matter the time or place. This includes the time and place of the struggle of Abul Walid Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Ibn Rushd (1126 -1198),

    References: Ibn Rushd in his darkest hour

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/artsandculture/2015/4/9/ibn-rushd-in-his-darkest-hour

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    Sabra Zahid

    RE: Muslim Feminists, Anti-Reformists, The MMDA & The Ground Realities

    Part 3 : Shariah, the Theologians and Knowledge of Philosophers
    (300 Words)

    //“Those opposing reform speak of the infallibility of the Shariah. They quote Hadith (practices of the Prophet). They also go on the ridiculous notion that the MMDA is Shariah and to change the MMDA is to change the Shariah, failing to understand in the very essence that different types of law compromises the MMDA.”//

    Let’s see what the most respected and the best Islamic Scholar and Philosopher, Ibn Rashd, Averroes, Ibn Rushd (14 April 1126 – 10 December 1198), full name (ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad Ibn ʾAḥmad Ibn Rushd‎), had to say about these Quranic interpretations, by the Theologians and Islamic “Scholars”, and the masses who listen to the Theologians.

    The Islamic Scholars are hung up on whether the Quran was created and temporal or uncreated or eternal. Reading the works of Averroes, the top Islamic Scholar of All time, says that he is not hung up.( Some Islamic “Scholars” and others are still hung up on the Earth being spread out like a carpet and moving around the Sun.)

    On Top, those who understand the “Holy Book”, and therefor by corollary, the Sharia.

    1. The People with knowledge- The Philosophers. The Quran is for them to interpret accurately.

    2. The Theologians are Literalists*. They are like Parrots. They are literalists.
    * adherence to the exact letter or the literal sense, as in translation or interpretation:

    3. The Common People. They just listen, to whatever, the Theologians say.
    Idiotic “Theologians” such as Abdul Wahhab says, idiotic things, the Wahhabi’s, who do not know, do and follow.

    It was about Self-Interest of the Theologians. When will the Age of Reason and Enlightenment, and the Scientific Method arrive for Muslims?

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    Sabra Zahid

    RE: Muslim Feminists, Anti-Reformists, The MMDA & The Ground Realities

    Part 4 : Shariah, and the Stupidity of the Theologians. “Divine” Interpretations and Hadith.
    Flat Earth and the Sun going around the Earth, Shariah, is Divine!
    (292 Words)

    //Added to this of course there are many myths and misconception such as the divineness of the MMDA. In the heart of the matter is the fact that the practical issues faced by Muslim women and girls and their every day realities are completely ignored by conservatives. They are also failing time and again to realize that Muslims women and girls too are Sri Lankan citizens, deserving of every ounce of equality and fundamental rights as citizens.//

    Is it the Stupidity of the Theologians or their Hegemony or both?

    Quran 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

    The Flat Earth of Ibn Baz. Do the Sri Lankan Ulama think so?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9JFvnT-QiI

    Flat Earth Muslims 1. Sri Lankan Ulama too!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTI1VRrLqro

    Published on Feb 10, 2016
    The purpose of this video is to encourage Muslims to look into the new awareness of the Flat Earth awakening.

    Sun revolves around the earth says top Saudi Arabian cleric because Quran says so Koran Science.
    Do the Sri Lankan Ulama, Mullahs and Iman follow the Quran?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh6jqJsq_GU

    Brainwashed Muslim “scientist” says world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth because Quran says so.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g84g2KJcUV0

    This is what happens when Muslims are brainwashed with Revelation only, and not Reason, Observations and Philosophy, they display their idiocy.

    Explains why Islamic Science and Philosophy declined from the 12th Century., and the Muslims have not progressed.

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      Amarasiri

      Here is Sheikh Ibn Bâz’s fatwâ on the matter:
      According to the people of knowledge the Earth is round. Indeed, Ibn Hazm and other scholars have declared that there is consensus on this matter among the people of knowledge This means that all of the surface of the Earth is connected together so that the form of the planet is like a sphere.

      Nevertheless, Allah has spread out the Earth’s surface in relation to us, and He has placed upon it firm mountains, the seas, and life as a mercy for us. For this reason, Allah said: “And (do they not look) at the Earth, how it was spread out flat (sutihat).” [Sûrah al-Ghâshiyah:20]

      Therefore, the Earth has been made flat for us in regards to our relationship to it to facilitate our lives upon it and our comfort. The fact that it is round does not prevent that its surface has been made flat for us. This is because something that is round and very large, then its surface will become very vast or broad, having a flat appearance to those who are upon it.”
      This is the fatwâ of Sheikh Ibn Bâz about the shape of the Earth. So do not listen to those who lie against him and try to make it seem as though he was some “old fool” who did not even know that the Earth is round. Such people are rumor mongers who narrate whatever they hear without verification the accuracy of what they say.

      As the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “It is sufficient to consider a man a liar when he narrates everything that he hears.” [Sahîh Muslim]

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        J.Deane

        The Catholic Church finally accepted that Galileo was Right. Looks like Sheikh Ibn Bâz’s fatwâ died without accepting what the Church finally accepted.

        1. “Here is Sheikh Ibn Bâz’s fatwâ on the matter:”

        This happened AFTER he was severely reprimanded by the King and others..

        2. “According to the people of knowledge the Earth is round.”

        So, who are the People of Knowledge? The Philosophers and Scientists. and not the Theologians, Ulama.

        Is is accepting that Reason is above Revelation?

        3. Quran 71:19 And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).
        Quran 78:6 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, What does it mean ?
        Quran 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
        Does it mean that Earth is flat? Tafsir Jalalayn says that EARTH is flat. But it is against Established Science.

        What Sheikh Ibn Bâz’s is doing is deviating from his initial literal interpretation of the Qurnic, Revelation is Truth, in light of the facts, knowledge, and moving towards the Position of the Philosophers and Scientists, the Theologians have been criticizing for well over 1,000 years.

        4. Inb Rushd, Averroes, said in right 900 years ago, only the Philosophers have the knowledge to correctly understand the “Precious Book”, and NOT the Theologians, Ulama, as they are Literalists, and lack the knowledge.

        Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz

        In 1966, when Ibn Baz was vice-president of the Islamic University of Medina, he wrote an article denouncing Riyadh University for teaching the “falsehood” that the earth rotates and orbits the sun.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz

        Give up your Wahhabism, and avoid being thrown in Hell-Fire along with Satan, Iblis, as per Hadith of Najd.

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        J.Deane

        Part 1. Wahhabies and Clones: Blind Satanic Followers. Evidence.
        (297 Words)
        “As the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “It is sufficient to consider a man a liar when he narrates everything that he hears.” [Sahîh Muslim]”
        That is how Satan, Iblis followers narrate what Abdul Wahhab narrates from Najd.

        As the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “It is sufficient to consider a man a liar when he narrates everything that he hears.” [Sahîh Muslim.. That is precisely the PROBLEM with the Wahhabis and their clones, as they believe every narration of Abudul Wahhab , when even his bother Sulayman Wahhab, did not believe him, and was killed by the Wahhabi-Saudi Satanic Alliance.

        Yes, read up on the Hadith of Najad, as narrated by [Sahîh Muslim] and Bukhari as well.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

        Sulayman ibn Abd al- Wahhab

        http://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot.com/2008/08/sulayman-ibn-abd-al-wahhab.html

        Q. Another question is that it is well known that Sulayman Ibn Abd al-Wahaab rejected his brothers misguidence and wrote against the wahaabi regime. A salafi brother pointed out that he repented from going against his brother before he died. I needed some clairty on that issue too.

        A. Bakr Abu Zayd and `Abd al-Rahman `Uthaymin, the two Wahhabi editors of Ibn Humayd al-Najdi’s Hanbali bio-dictionary _al-Suhub al-Wabila `ala Dara’ih al-Hanabila_ (Risala ed. 2:679), consider the report of that repentence spurious and say there is no proof that Sulayman ever changed his mind.

        What is agreed upon is that when his father died, Sulayman ibn `Abd al-Wahhab ibn Sulayman al-Tamimi al-Najdi (d. 1210?) succeeded him as qadi of Huraymila’ in 1153. Twelve years later, in 1165, Sulayman led the people of that town and `Uyayna, another nearby town, in a rebellion against his brother Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Wahhab ibn Sulayman’s (d. 1207) Wahhabi forces which lasted for three years.

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    Around three weeks ago while listening to muslim radio channel , i heard chairman of Jameeathul Ulema said while condemning the violent protests carried out by the likes of Abdul Razik , assured the listeners they will fight diplomatically keep the current marriage laws in tact. It speaks volumes about the status quo !

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      How similar to what some hypocritical Sinhalese say when talking about how non-racist all of us (Sinhalese) are! After all we undertook a “humanitarian operation” against the LTTE!

      With hindsight I see that Prabhkaran had to be dealt with ruthlessly, but since “neutralising” the threat from him, what have we been doing?

      We must not let down the Muslim feminists in this, the hour of their need. And if THEY succeed, it may be that there will be more “ekelbrooms” , “Ahmed Ls” and Mohameds among Muslim men. THAT is the way to defeat Islamaphobes, be they called Donald Trump or Gnanasara or Wimal Weerawansa! I’ve not really been keeping an eye on “Hindu Islamaphobes”, although I’m sure that they exist.

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    Sabra Zahid

    RE: Ulema, Infallibility, Revelation, Stupidity, Sharia and Reason.

    “Those opposing reform speak of the infallibility of the Shariah. They quote Hadith (practices of the Prophet) and their interpretation of religious text, to support their side of the argument.”

    Do the Ulama have 48 Chromosomes or 46? Atr they Primates or Home -Sapiens? Are they infallible sharia Primates?

    Stupidest Muslim Ulama Vs Neil Tyson – How ideology can ruin intellectual power

    Published on Nov 10, 2014
    This is not a debate between some Muslim and Neil Tyson. But this video shows the thinking of some very well educated 21’st century Muslim (I don’t know he is ignorant, stupid or dishonest. But he is one for sure) and Neil Tyson speaking in a lecture about how Muslims intellectual power ruined by an ideology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84&t=345s

    What Did Ibn Rushd say about the Theologians 900 years ago ? Lack knowledge.

    Ken Miller on Human Evolution

    Uploaded on Feb 14, 2007
    Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. He discusses a recent finding of the Human Genome Project which identifies the exact point of fusion of two primate chromosomes that resulted in human chromosome #2.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

    Is stupidity a virtue for the Ulama, Mullahs and Imams?

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      Dr Sabra, It is brain dead apolgies for humans like Marakkalamarasiri who make the mythical religion you believe in unbearable.

      Your prophet committed phedophilia and encouraged others to do that. Women are not respected in your (bad) faith.

      ‘Womens’ Rights’ in your religion are an oxymoron my dear.

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        PalRaj

        ‘//Womens’ Rights’ in your religion are an oxymoron my dear//

        All the Abahamic Religions do not give women rights. The Women ate treated like Chattel.

        The West, and Christianity managed to get to the Age of Reason and Enlightenment about 400 years ago, The Muslims are still stuck, because of the Hegemony of the Ulama, as the writer describes.

        MMDA is a Symptom of the greater problem of Muslims NOT getting to the age of Reason and Enlightenment,

        They tried 1,000 years ago, but the Ulama prevailed due to political reasons.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84&t=345s

        .

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        PalRaj ,,

        “Dr Sabra, It is brain dead apolgies for humans like Marakkalamarasiri who make the mythical religion you believe in unbearable.”

        Dr. Sabra It is brain dead Para-Idiots like PalRaj who make the Ulama Idiots Prevail , by allowing the stupid Muslim sheep to rally around the Ulama, as has been done for centuries, and even today.

        The Problem is the Ulama and their Hegemony..It was the same with Catholicism. The same with Sinhala Buddhism.

        Dr. Sabra Zahid, Christianity took 1,600 years to get to the Age of Reason and Enlightenment, after the Inquisition, the Protestant reformation etc.to break the Hegemony of the Popes and the Priests, who evolved from the Apes..

        Islam is only 1,400 years old and the Ulama, Mullahs and Imams, who evolved from the Apes, are still prevailing and showing their hegemony, by controlling the politicians, and are able to do so because the Sri Lankan Muslim masses are Stupid with an average IQ of 79. You certainly have a long struggle ahead, and you do need to get the support from the non-Muslims, who have more democratic values, even though Yahapalanauya is all messed up with their own agenda.

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    Islam is a holy religion. People following that narrow path will surely find redemption either in heaven or in Nirvana. Naturally – they would have blotted out all the evils of this life, and remained neutral and equanimous, in spite of the horrors of their situation.

    However, isn’t it time that Muslims realized that that angel who crushed Mohamed (PBUH), crushed him because he was of high sexuality which he was suffering grievously with. Day and night he was shouting to Allah about it. Finally Allah in his exasperation, and in all of his mercy, told Mohammad, “Allah-Mak! As-salamu alaykum. Even even those with high sexuality can have redemption.” Hence he sent the angel with a very specific message for those kinds of humans. Thus was Islam born. The intent was not for it to be evangelized, however, but for a sect of people with unnatural libido to be fulfilled.

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      ramona scatter brain grandma therese fernando

      “Islam is a holy religion.”

      What about other religions? Unholy?

      “Finally Allah in his exasperation, and in all of his mercy, told Mohammad, “Allah-Mak! As-salamu alaykum. Even even those with high sexuality can have redemption.”

      And in Sri Lanka most of the people believe in Nirvana. It appears some practitioners of Nirvana seem to catch STD in no time than the others:

      Here is the news

      HIV among SL youth on the rise
      Wednesday, March 1, 2017 – 01:00

      New HIV infections among youths in Sri Lanka shows an upward trend around the past five years. Earlier it was among young adults around 30 and 35 but now this age has reduced to 20 to 25. Currently, 2,557 persons are living with HIV in Sri Lanka. A total of 239 new HIV infections were reported from Sri Lanka last year, Former Country Manager UNAIDS Sri Lanka Dr. Dayanath Ranatunga said.

      dailynews.lk/2017/03/01/

      The current percentage of teenage pregnancies in Sri Lanka is between five and seven percent (15,000). Nirvana produces children to Kids.

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        That’s because they are either eating halal meats or hormonally induced meats. If they ate a vegetarian diet, it wouldn’t be like that.

        Middle Eastern people ate halal meats out of necessity, being in the desert with little to no vegetation. Therefore, they were filled with all kinds of unnecessary hormones. Guess, that set of Sharia laws were much needed at the time of the prophet. However, the religion did well in other places, like S.E. Asia. But now, they too are trying to implement Sharia in S.E Asia too, in the face of the Western cultural debauchery.

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          WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE THAT HALAL FOOD HAS THAT CAUSAL EFFECT?

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            The Slaughter without Stunning (SWS) goats had higher glucose and lactate than did Slaughter following Minimal Anesthesia) SMA goats. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174016301462

            “…..lactate production is a sure sign that you are working out with enough intensity to boost testosterone production………………… Carbohydrates (glucose) are needed to fuel high-intensity exercise…………….. heavy weight lifting and sprints, both of which use carbohydrates as fuel, are two ways to effectively increase testosterone production.” http://www.coachcalorie.com/7-ways-to-naturally-boost-testosterone-levels/

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              (Pain perception at slaughter. Article in Animal welfare (South Mimms, England). June 2012)

              • Ventral-neck incision elicits a cerebrocortical response
              that would be experienced as pain for the duration of
              consciousness;

              • Severing only the exposed vasculature did not elicit a
              response indicating this is not responsible for the cerebrocortical
              response; (*means a swift decapitation*)

              • Transecting the neck tissues elicited a response indicating
              that this is primarily responsible for the cerebrocortical
              response; (*means partial decapitation for blood to drain*)

              • Stunning causes an immediate cessation of all cerebrocortical
              activity associated with continued awareness;

              • Stunning can abolish any cerebrocortical effects due to
              ventral-neck transection.

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              An impressively learned comment from you RTF, backed up by the link that took me to an article that was clear and simple in its recommendation.

              And your next comment even shows a surprising awareness of the intricacies of butchery – a subject that I try not to dwell on, although I enjoy the results of such activity: i.e. I eat all kinds of meat!

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                Yes, the articles do give awareness on the horrors of animal slaughter. It makes one want to protect these innocent creatures even more.

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                  is the study conduted at the same place where america conducted experiment on sri lanka that you allege? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY STUDIES HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED SHOWING THE BENEFITS OF THE HALAL FOOD?

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              do YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT IS CAUSAL EFFECT MEANS?

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                Yes, I’m sure halal food is good. But the goodness does not justify the suffering. Other things are equally as good, like legumes. Also the subtle increases in excess hormones in one’s body wasn’t’ easy to detect in previous times. However, it shows up in which areas of the world are more prone to blood-thirst (especially the kind where they turn on each other, and create conditions where they can do so).

                But to be fair to the religion, there was no other way for survival at that time. However, in these modern times when more science is known, even the Prophet (PBUH) will say that there are other humane ways of living- Islam is meant to be progressive. There are Islamic groups in Britain that accept stunning of animals before halal slaughter.

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                  Sinhalese have problem when they think animals may suffer but it’s entirely ok for them to butcher Tamils and Muslims. It’s all in the name of Buddha.

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                    They do not eat them.

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      “However, isn’t it time that Muslims realized that that angel who crushed Mohamed (PBUH), crushed him because he was of high sexuality which he was suffering grievously with. Day and night he was shouting to Allah about it. Finally Allah in his exasperation, and in all of his mercy, told Mohammad, “Allah-Mak! As-salamu alaykum. Even even those with high sexuality can have redemption.” Hence he sent the angel with a very specific message for those kinds of humans. Thus was Islam born. The intent was not for it to be evangelized, however, but for a sect of people with unnatural libido to be fulfilled.”

      Where did you get this information about Prophet being crushed etc. You had written it earlier also. I have checked from other Muslims too, but they haven’t heard it also.

      I would be obliged if you can give me the source of your information

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    mmmm, very broad minded.
    Hope and well wishes you are able to take forward your very correct cause.

    God Bless you and all others with your view.

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    Sabra Zahid,

    You were one of a number of Muslim women who wrote excellent articles in November and December last year. I have no time, right now, to study carefully what you have written here.

    I’m sure that you must have written sense. I shall comment tonight.

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      Dear Sabra Zahid,

      You have not given readers a link to your earlier, December 2016, article. Here it is:

      https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/mmda-personal-laws-at-the-expense-of-fundamental-rights/

      I did forecast that there would be personal attacks on you, and obviously, apart from what appears here on this blog, there have been many.

      This article is even more forceful and well-thought out. I wish you well.

      You may recall a guy called Colin jumping in and asking you to answer what, in the context , were hypothetical questions about teen pre-marital pregnancies. As I told him, it is very unfair to harass you with such questions, which ought to be posed elsewhere.

      I feel that the plight of Muslim women from poor uneducated background is more pitiable than that of any other group of people in our country.

      When Laws are framed regarding marriage, they are essentially public and social, and that’s how it is with other religions. Representatives of religions may bless a union which is meant essentially to ensure the continuance of the species. However, the laws must be secular.

      I wish we had a World Government, and one set of laws for all humans. But Nation Staes are a donnee. In Sri Lanka, we should ideally have one secular law relating to divorce – a sad but necessary occurrence When marriages take place there is no need for laws! People are in love, and up in the clouds!!

      Religion is a personal affair, and any person who is entitled to treatment as a sane human being must NEVER try to control another – especially a child. Be a devout Muslim, yourself, but please don’t imagine that women and children are chattels to be used and abused at will.

      Personally, I don’t like seeing special laws for certain groups. So, the ideal for me is NO Muslim Law for anybody. And no Muslim SCHOOLS, either.

      However, for you, there must be a long and difficult battle for you to just get MMDA to be gentler towards women. May you continue to champion this very necessary cause, until such time as it will bear fruit. May take centuries, but let me hope that the reformed laws are in place a few months from now! Best wishes, and may success crown your efforts!

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        Sinhala_Man

        “May take centuries, but let me hope that the reformed laws are in place a few months from now! Best wishes, and may success crown your efforts!”

        May take centuries?

        It will take millennia!

        Need to attack the people who lack knowledge, called Ulama, Mullahs, Imams etc. per Ibn Rushd , Averroes, 12th Century Islamic Scholar, Jurist, Polymath and Philosopher.

        On Top, those who understand the “Holy Book”, and therefor by corollary, the Sharia.

        1. The People with knowledge- The Philosophers. The Quran is for them to interpret accurately.

        2. The Theologians are Literalists*. They are like Parrots. They are literalists.
        * adherence to the exact letter or the literal sense, as in translation or interpretation:

        3. The Common People. They just listen, to whatever, the Theologians say.
        Idiotic “Theologians” such as Abdul Wahhab says, idiotic things, the Wahhabi’s, who do not know, do and follow.

        It was about Self-Interest of the Theologians. When will the Age of Reason and Enlightenment, and the Scientific Method arrive for Muslims?

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    In the ancient times, women were regarded as ‘property’. Father cares until husband take over guardianship. Religious beliefs are based on such ancient beliefs. Today women are given due place and we see their contribution to the society. There is nothing called privileges and chances. Educating and dignifying women is a role play for govt. and religious authorities. Laws have to be enacted to ensure such rights. If laws fail nature will take over. At such times may be religions which espouse violence, slavery, suppression, etc may become obsoleted by right thinking society. If one religion is corrupt, changeover to another. No religion has the custody of God. Do they know how god look like first of all to talk of subdued women’s rights? Whom are they trying to fool by damage control. They are all trying to make money in the name of religion and torture.

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    The concept of gender equality is stated quite clearly in the Holy Quran :
    “I shall not lose sight of the labor of any of you who labors in My way, be it man or woman; EACH OF YOU IS EQUAL TO THE OTHER (3:195)”
    Unfortunately however, the early interpretations of such laws by the ‘scholars’ of a highly-patriarchal community which reduced women to the lowest rungs of society have been retained and continue to this day.

    Since July 2009, Justice Saleem Marsoof and his Committee have been striving to ‘consider and recommend amendments to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act No 13 of 1951’. During the first week of February 2017, it was announced that the Report was was ‘in it’s final stages’ and the expectation of the community was that it would be released in the very near future. It is hoped that this finalization process will not take another 7 years.

    Whatever be the form and content of the final Report of recommendations, the SL Muslim Community must be proud of every female member of the Muslim Intelligentsia who has contributed greatly to our understanding of the extent to which they have been discriminated over the past 6 decades by the implementation of out-dated interpretations of our religion, Islam. If nothing else, they have demonstrated very clearly that our community can no longer continue to avoid investing in 50% of our total intellectual capital if we truly desire to reap the full benefits of the potential of our people.

    The 08th of March is International Women’s Day. The female members of the Ummah should use this day as an opportunity to launch a massive street protest against the 6 decades of suppression and discrimination at the hands of their male counterparts and follow this with another major protest campaign outside the Grand Mosque in Colombo on Friday the 10th before Jummah Prayers.

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      Thanks, “ekelbroom”,

      I consider your comment the most valuable of those I’ve seen scrolling down, because you are a Muslim man who is on the side of reforming MMDA.

      I’ve scrolled down looking for Bisthan Batcha (I hope I’ve got the name right) another Muslim man who talks sense. Instead, I find “Mohamed” who makes some positive sounds, but also faults Sabra Zahid for some things. Now that is how it should be. I hope that Mohamed has more to say, because even if he finds fault with what Muslim feminists are saying, he gives sound reasons for doing so, and I’m sure that he treats all people fairly.

      By commending Mohamed the way I do, what I’m trying to say is that we should not use this subject of MMDA to bash Muslims. It is similar when talking about “caste” among Tamils. Many Sinhalese also are highly caste conscious. Each community must reform itself.

      However, I don’t agree with Mohamed that even the issue of “child brides” should be left to the tender mercies of people like “Goraka” – and where’s that horrible AYMAN who was commenting in December? Mohamed can obviously be trusted to handle issues like child brides. Sabra’a strongest support seems to come from Ahmed L. May Allah bless him!

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      Ekelbroom

      Street protest? Surely. That would subject these ladies to even more threats and harassment by the Muslim community. It’s a pity that the Muslim community does not have a strong political leadership. if that was so, the situation wouldn’t be so horrifying. Unfortunately just a bunch of power hungry jokers who do nothing constructive. The MPs and Ulama are holding these women at ransom to suit their agendas. Muslim men should come out of their bubble and support the demands of women. They are not asking for much but just to be treated fairly and justly.

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        Dear Zxy,

        I agree absolutely.

        Given the thinking of the men in Muslim Communities everywhere, but specifically in Sri Lanka, “street protests” are what would drive hard line Muslim men into an absolute frenzy.

        How sad all this is! The only way forward for these ladies would be for greater numbers of thinking Muslim men to back their demands. That would be back to square one, wouldn’t it: dependence on the charity of Muslim men who just don’t care.

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        Zxy

        I agree. Street protests may make life more miserable for these ladies. But to date, the steps taken by our ‘female liberation fighters’ have shown that they are made of steel. They must be urged to follow the example of their Tamil sisters in the North who are in the process of achieving their goals through such public ‘street protests’. Our sisters must shame their male counterparts for continuing to maintain their silence in fear of a bunch of ‘Glorified Lebbes’. Let them inform the whole Nation and the World of the six decades of discrimination that they have faced by the gate-keepers of Islam in Sri lanka. They are only asking for what has been described as their rightful status in life by Allah SWT

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    An Indian Supreme Court judge once famously declared that “One must not use religion to club the law!”

    Islamic hardliners must not in the name of religion obstruct progressive measures and legal reform designed to grant equal civic and fundamental rights to the weaker half of the population who have kept on suffering immensely as a result of anachronistic laws based on ancient religious texts that are interpreted differently by different ‘scholars’. All such unfair strictures on women’s freedom no longer have any place in modern society.

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    First reform the anti-reformists.

    It is a shame on a community that has been calling for reforms for over 50 years through many movements and advocating groups and achieved nothing and still struggling.

    -It shows lack of leadership
    -It shows lack of willingness
    -It shows divisions within the community
    -It shows the overall inability of every stakeholder in the process to find effective and right measures for 50 years.

    I think the reforms have to start from much lower levels up. Reform the alims / imams and etc,, at local village mosque level first, and recognize them part of you. And they will do the rest.

    How did jamaat e islami achieved changes among Muslims in a very short period of time compared to 50 long years (though it is towards conservative and harmledd)? They had the willingness, willpower and enthusiasm in doing it, they visit home to home, and they still do.

    English speaking doctors, lawyers and other influential people and Muslim elites sitting around the round-table and discussing and giving media briefs would reach to the ordinary Muslims or even ground level religious leaders

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      Ahmed L.

      “English speaking doctors, lawyers and other influential people and Muslim elites sitting around the round-table and discussing and giving media briefs would reach to the ordinary Muslims or even ground level religious leaders”

      JVP in the 1960’s and early 70’s had poster campaigns.

      Today JVP is a recognized Political Party with 5% of the populat votes.

      Now, the Muslim Reformists, need to do the same campaign,

      Expose, Expose, and Expose the Hegemony of the Ulama, Mullahs, and Imams. everywhere.

      In the Social Media, and on Posters and Flyers.

      Make Ulama = Llama = Stupid Person, who does not understand Religion.

      Why are the Ulama stupid? Because they Still believe that:

      1. The Earth is Spread out like a carpet
      2. The Sun goes around the earth
      3. So not believe that evolution is True, despite all the Evidence and they do have 46 Chromosomes that came from evolution.

      Is stupidity a virtue for the Ulama, Mullahs and Imams?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

      Is stupidity a virtue for the Ulama, Mullahs and Imams?
      .

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      Correction:

      English speaking doctors, lawyers and other influential people and Muslim elites sitting around the round-table and discussing and giving media briefs would NOT reach to the ordinary Muslims or even ground level religious leaders

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        Excellent stuff from you, Ahmed L.

        I would like to see more Muslim men supporting Sabra and Zaneera Farook. If you do that, we “infidels” can shut up, and let you practice your religion in peace.

        If opinions such as those of Goraka prevail, one of these days the entire Muslim community will get attacked. You know just how much anti-Muslim feeling there is worldwide, don’t you? I’m not saying that it should be there, but it is.

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          Thank you Sinhala_Man.

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    Be careful. You dare write in a male dominated, patronizing chauvinistic ethno-religious group. Moreoever you are not covering your face and head and you dare write. Be careful. Nutcases will accuse you of blasphemy.

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      You’ve got a point, Thassim. However, Sabra and Zaneera Farook are taking risks in fighting a worthy cause. Yes, it may be that they will have to pay the supreme price – then they will by martyrs.

      Wonder how female martyrs are to be rewarded in heaven?

      There are, after all those famous (I’m sure apocryphal) stories about 64 virgins being the reward that Jihadist suicide bombers receive.

      I hope you will excuse both the levity of my comment, and Sabra’s uncovered head!

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    Thanks for the author for stirring anti-Islamic sentiments by writing a useless piece of nonsense.

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      This is the way selfish Muslims get away from responsibility pointing fingers at others.

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      Goraka

      “Thanks for the author for stirring anti-Islamic sentiments by writing a useless piece of nonsense.”

      So do you want some men to exercise freedom to practice medieval middle east customs, including right to molest under aged children, slavery, inequality in the institution of marriage, exercise torture …… ?

      You have a serious problem.

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      Goraka,

      The author is a Sri Lankan, and we want people like her to live and be happy here.

      You are obviously a human being, but not HUMANE. Can’t we have a law passed that would deport the likes of you to either Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.

      Most of the other Middle-East countries are fairly decent, but where thinking of your sort prevails, I don’t consider the inhabitants to deserve membership of the Human Race.

      I entered a comment early morning, having been impressed with Sabra Zahid’s earlier article. I must go up there and expand that comment.

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      Goraka:

      Think, if buddhists were living in an Islamic country. they would have to live like muslims because muslims are the majority.

      In Sri lanka, there are under age marraiges. Bride has no say. when a buddhist or christian woman marries a muslim, she has to be comnverted to Islam.

      Sometimes girls as young as 8 years can be married probably have been married.

      So, buddhists are blind, deaf and dumb when Muslims live like primitive barbarians.

      that is democracy and human rights.

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        “Think, if buddhists were living in an Islamic country. they would have to live like muslims because muslims are the majority”.

        This is what’s wrong with our Sri Lankans – when we talk about Sri Lankans Muslims, we talk as if we get a free citizenship to another Muslim Country. When we talk about Sri Lankan Tamil, we blame them to what;’s happening in India. When we talk about Rohinga Muslims, we blame the Sri Lankan Buddhits.

        If you a Saudi Arabian Buddhist, talk to Saudi Arabian Government!

        Stop the distraction, mate.

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        jim softy,

        Bride has no say = Giving in marriage against her will.

        How many women in SL are given in marriage against their will for caste, dowry, asset inheritance, family feud, paper qualification and why even ‘uda rata’ and ‘pahatha rata’ is also still there in the modern world.

        Compared to Muslim women given against their will due to existing law, the number of non-Muslim women facing the same fate due to above said reasons is much more higher and almost happening on a daily basis.

        How to sort out an issue which is common to all SL?

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        jin softy,

        Sinhalese live in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Malaysia and Indonesia for samples.

        In Saudi Sinhalese too wear Hijabs. In Dubai and other countries, they’re free (free from many atrocities that SL can’t even think of) and enjoy everything that the countries have to offer, as long as they abide by the respective country’s law & order.

        My point is, only the governments of those countries want residents to abide by the law. None of these countries citizens would come and say you must live, act, wear, talk and pray like us.

        If Sri Lankan majority expects Muslims who are already law abiding to live, wear like them, there is something seriously wrong with them?

        Even if, a girl is given in marriage underaged, it is within what is allowed in the current law of SL for Muslims. What is the point in you blaming the Muslims?

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          Mohamed

          Why blame Muslims because it is the Muslim ulamas who have been blocking the reform. Muslim politicians are sleazeballs who don’t care about anything apart from the vote. The government leaves it to the community. As a result women and children have to pay the price.

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            “The government leaves it to the community”….This sounds funny as if the community governs the SL Govt. Did the community or Muslims ulamas make the MMDA law and implemented in Sri Lanka?

            In the first place, those who are blaming the Muslims and Ulemas, should ask this question. Then, some limelight seeking, not so serious selfish ones wear the word, “activists” as their evening luxury dress to get that attention through shortest paths possible and unfortunately, they find MMDA and Islam being the best short-cuts, given the fact that MMDa is talk of the town with Islam being centre of critical focus of many countries, especially SL.

            So, I answered a short-sighted Jim Softy like racist requesting, not to blame the ordinary Muslims who are just the sandwich between Law, reformists and ulemas.

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              Mohomed

              Would like to know your take on what would be effective alternate strategy? How do you think these ladies should should go about this.

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                Yes, Raja,

                This point you are making is all important.

                Muslim women are turned in to slaves by many Muslim men. Mohamed does not do that, but he is decent human being who believes that these MMDA laws must be changed.

                We should not hold him to ransom because of his words, but what would he advise? I have, somewhere above, given a link to Dr Rajan Hoole’s account of what happened in Peradeniya in March 1983. Some excellent comments by Lareef Mohamed Zubair. He has given his e-mail address, and so I wrote to him (I knew him quite well). Is this the same man, I wonder?

                Lareef Mohamed Zubair was an absolute hero at that time. His (very pretty!) sister was also in the University at the time, and thought him over-zealous in protecting the “Tamil” students.

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        IF YOU DONT WANT TO CONVERT THEN DONT MARRY MUSLIMS. RESPECT OTHER RELIGIONS. YOU WANT TO HAVE THE CAKE AND EAT IT TOO

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        Dear Mohamed,

        The distinction that you make between governments and citizens is very pertinent. Those governments are mostly cruel dictatorships; the citizens are law abiding, and mostly quite satisfied because they know how much their living standards have risen owing to the accident of “oil”.

        WE were prosperous at Independence, now get frustrated (and racist!) seeing how we are falling behind. SOME factors that are to blame:

        Population Explosion: where is Bistham Batcha? He showed me that often we exaggerate Muslim population growth, but it is higher than the National Average, for which some of the talk by Buddhist (and Catholic, in the past) clergy was also to blame.

        Very soon: Pollution and the Degradation of the Environment.

        Ostentation

        I hope that others will continue this sort of analysis, and improve on it.

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          Sinhala Man,

          Not every country I mentioned is oil-rich or under a dictatorship at present or in the recent past. The countries are doing good because of their leaderships.

          You said, “WE were prosperous at Independence, now get frustrated (and racist!) seeing how we are falling behind. SOME factors that are to blame – Population Explosion”

          You have to ask why we were prosperous at the Independence? Is that so that Sri Lanka had an economy based on manufacturing and industry at that time, and we have closed down all those now?

          You might point at population and per capita the reason. You have choices, It is like, 1.’eat little’ or 2.’earn more to eat well’ strategies. Why SL can’t think of option 2?

          If the above average growth in population is dragging SL on its developments, how could India and China be who they are now?

          We as Sri Lankans are lazy, we prefer and satisfied with ‘eating less’ strategy to ‘working more to eat more’ strategy. This mentality of lazy Sri Lankans as a whole has to be changed to see developed SL. No matter whether they are Sinhalese, Tamils or Muslims, a common issue facing is that thought of extremism has occupied their heads and minds that there is not enough space left for other useful thoughts to go in.

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            Mohamed,

            It is time for all human beings to take a global view.

            Even if population increase is ever so gradual, if it is inexorable, we are in trouble. Malthus saw it in 1798 (hmmm – hadn’t realised it was the same year as Wordsworth’s Lyrical Ballads). Humans multiply, most other species die out. Doesn’t seem right.

            Three other ways of looking at it: lots of life forms (medicinal plants especially?) that could be useful to us doomed to extinction before we’ve been able to study them.

            Life forms that are useful to man (chickens, cattle) or are parasitic on man (cockroaches, mosquitoes, mice) or are subservient (dogs, cats) will multiply, while the proudly strong (whales, elephants, gorillas, lions, tigers, crocodiles) will be driven to extinction.

            Lastly, our “little” cannot compare with India. In any case they have developed in spite of the population explosion, not because of it. They’ve been fighting hard for decades now to get their birth rates under control.

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    “………..These anti- reform elements, also blame the feminists for talking about Muslim personal laws when there are others problematic laws such as the Kandyan Law, and the Thesawalamai Law. …………….”

    Anti-reform Lankan Islamists use the Kandyan and Thesawalamai Laws to justify their bigotry. Typical non-Islam 18 year old will not have a clue as to these laws. These are never topics taught or discussed in schools. But a typical Lankan Islamic student is imbibed with Sharia Laws from a very early age.

    If a single Lankan Islamic MP takes MMDA reformation as an issue, Lankan parliament will endorse with near unanimity. There are progressive non-Islamic MPs. Progressive Islamic MP is as rare as the proverbial hen’s teeth.

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      Sabra Zahid ,

      “If a single Lankan Islamic MP takes MMDA reformation as an issue, Lankan parliament will endorse with near unanimity. There are progressive non-Islamic MPs. Progressive Islamic MP is as rare as the proverbial hen’s teeth.”

      Yes. What is needed is just one, yes one Progressive Muslim MP for reform, and put to the Parliament for a vote.

      Let all the other Muslim MPs, who are wimps, abstain.

      Then, the Muslim masses, despite what the Ulama will say, will treat that lone courageous Muslim MP, as a hero, and that may pave the way for new progressive Muslim politicians.

      So, target one Muslim MP. If none could be found, just put the reforms to a vote, and the Muslim MPs can vote against it abstain.

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        Dear Amarasiri,

        Wouldn’t Kabir Hashim be a candidate for “Progressive Muslim MP” in this context? Also, I’m sure he’s in Parliament having received many non-Muslim votes.

        At the same time, what I know suggests that he has led an exemplary private life.

        The problem with many of the “progressive non-Muslim MPs” is that they will lump this with LGBTQ rights – a subject that has to be clearly seen as less important.

        Think of how the Anglican Church has not progressed sufficiently with the ordination of women as priests, because some are demanding LG Bishops. Personally I will not harass anybody on sexual orientation, but the division of the population into Men and Women is more fundamental than s.o.

        And in Party Politics in Sri Lanka, unfortunately, dominating all else is the Sinhala – Tamil divide. Muslims could simplify things for the country (and for themselves) by acknowledging that almost all of them are descended from Tamil speakers, although a sizeable number of them may, by now have Sinhala (or even English) as their first language.

        Incidentally, what a lot of hot air about “mother tongue” even in the 21st Century. Why not acknowledge that individual Sri Lankans ought to have a FIRST language, a SECOND language, and a THIRD language? Do I really have to say that those (in any order for a given individual) have to be Sinhala, Tamil, and English? There’s nothing wrong with languages like Arabic, Malay, Portuguese, French or Pali. But they just don’t count in the way that the three main languages do.

        Should we execute those who don’t know all three? Please don’t! I don’t know Tamil. What I’ve said should be policy, and let’s hope that the emerging generations profit by such a policy. The great practical problem right now is “How to teach English?”

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          Sinhala_Man

          “Wouldn’t Kabir Hashim be a candidate for “Progressive Muslim MP” in this context? Also, I’m sure he’s in Parliament having received many non-Muslim votes.”

          Good thoughts.

          1. Kabir Hashim being from Colombo, and being articulate, will still get the Muslim “moderate” votes. He may not get the stupid Muslim vote and the Ulama wrath votes However, the non-Muslim votes will remain tjhe same and even may increase substantially. All he jas to say is that he was the only Progressive Muslim MP willing to spearhead the reforms for MMDA and give freedom and democratic trghts to Muslim girls and women, which they have under the constitution of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.

          Amarasir’s Offer of Rs.10,000 and another Rs.10,000 after they raise Rs.100,000 to reform MMDA to Sabra Zahid still stands. Shall we start with a poster campaign in Colombo, JVP style?

          2. Regarding Language, what is a language?

          It is a medium of Communications. For Computers words and letters are ASCII Numbers. Voice is sound waves. Of course they are different for different letters, an, and the sounds are different for the different letters in the same language and among different languages. Importance is dictated by usage, and market share.

          Natively Sinhala and Tamil have usage market share. However, English has global usage market share and more useful.

          Will the Paras in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho understand this? Do they have sufficiently high IQ’s to understand this, when the average national IQ is 79?

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          Dear Amarasiri,

          I’m so sorry I forgot that the Veddah language also should have been included in the list of languages spoken by a handful in the country, but is of no practical importance.

          You had responded positively to my suggestion that Kabir Hashim be approached to present this in parliament. Yes, I tend to just comment, without meaning to take things further, but this is an issue of importance.

          Sabra Zahid ought to know how to use Facebook or whatever and establish contact with the man. I’m not so sure that he’s a Colombo guy. Mawanella, I think, and he has shares in that huge tea factory by the Colombo-Kandy road. Is it called Ambanpitiya.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabir_Hashim

          His formative years must have been spent at Trinity College. What’s always amazed me is his very natural-sounding Sinhala.

          I didn’t know about your offer of Rs1K for the cause!

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            Sinhala_Man

            “I didn’t know about your offer of Rs1K for the cause! “

            Clarification:

            “Amarasir’s Offer of Rs.10,000 and another Rs.10,000 after they raise Rs.100,000 to reform MMDA to Sabra Zahid still stands. Shall we start with a poster campaign in Colombo, JVP style?”

            The offer is for Rs.10,000 to start, “seed money” and another Rs, 10,000 when the amount raised from others, the total goes beyond Rs.100 k. So, if Rs.100,000 is raised, with Amarasiri’s Rs 20,000 it will be Rs.120,000.

            This can certainly get the group organized Facebook accounts and Twitter accounts established, and put up some Posters around Colombo and major cities, Talk to JVP guys. they know how.

            Would you design the posters and draw some cartoons? After all this is altruism.

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            Dear Amarasiri,

            Correction: your offer was Rs 10K, not a tenth part of that.

            You are amazing for many reasons, including your generosity.

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              Dear Sinhala_Man,

              This is putting one’s money where one’s mouth is.

              This is a human rights issue, and the application of DOUBLE STANDARDS, as interpreted by the ignorant Ulama, Mullah, and Imams (as per Ibn Rushd, Averroes) to maintain their power and hegemony over the Sri Lankan Muslim masses, and the Muslims girls and Muslim women are still suffering.

              They have got no relief from the Constitution of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.

              What a travesty of justice!

              Shame on Sri Lanka, the Land of Native Veddah Aethho, occupied by the Paras.

              This should be reported to the UN Human Rights Council, for correction and reform. Most Sri Lankan Muslims cannot comprehend the issues raised by MMDA., Is it the IQ or the hegemony of the Ulama?

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    Anti-Muslims blaming others as Anti-reformists in the name of Islam.

    Remember when pointing fingers at other, 03 fingers are pointing at oneself. Huh.

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      Goraka

      “Anti-Muslims blaming others as Anti-reformists in the name of Islam

      Who are the Anti-reformists? They are Ulama , most t funded by the Wahhabis who follow Satan.

      They are Wahhabites, Wahhabies and their clones, Salafies, Tauhidis, ISIS, Taliban etc.

      They all follow the Devil, Satan., Iblis.

      References;

      1. Hadith of Najd

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      According to two narrations in Sahih Bukhari, Muhammad asks Allah to bless the areas of Bilad al-Sham (Syria) and Yemen. When his companions said “Our Najd as well,” he replied: “There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head (e.g. horns) of Satan.” In a similar narration, Muhammad again asked Allah to bless the areas Medina, Mecca, Sham, and Yemen and, when asked specifically to bless Najd, repeated similar comments about there being earthquakes, trials, tribulations, and the horns of Satan.

      2. Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted

      Published on Jun 2, 2013
      Yusri Rushdi al-Sayyid Jabr al-Husni, a Sunni Muslim religious scholar from the world’s oldest and most prestigious Islamic school, the Honorable al-Azhar, has stated that Wahhabis who are also known by other names such as Salafis, Najdis, and Horners, are in fact the Horn of the Devil, a term used by the prophet Muhammad in reference to a satanic faith that shall come out of Najd (Saudi Arabia).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufxTUFapy1w

      3. Al Azhar Sheikh shia are Muslims, Wahabi Salafi’s are Extremist

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69z-PHiqOiU

      Published on Apr 18, 2015
      Al Azhar Sheikh shia are Muslims, Wahabi Salafi’s are Extremist

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        The Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said,

        “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from their appears the Horn of Satan.”

        Reported in al-Bukhaaree [Book of Trials, Chpt. ‘The afflictions will come from the East’ 9/166 no. 214 Eng. Trans]
        This hadeeth has some controversy surrounding it due to obvious sectarian reasons. A hadeeth which has been (deliberately) misunderstood by certain groups of people in order that they may spread their misguidance and deceive ignorant Muslims.
        Amongst the scholars that are mentioned who referred this hadeeth to Iraaq were: al-Khattaabee, al-Kirmaanee, al-Aynee, an-Nawawee,ibn Hajr and others. The reasons behind this are numerous and clear:

        At the time of the Prophet, sallaahu alayhis wa sallaam, there were 13 places known as Najd [according to ‘Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytaan’] depending on where one was. This because Najd linguistically means a raised/elevated land. Therefore the Arabs referred to lands that were elevated with respect to them as Najd.

        One of the most commonly referred to areas at that time as Najd was Iraaq.

        The variations in wording of the Hadeeth of Najd leaves no doubt whatsoever as to what it refers to. I will refer to only one for brevity’s sake

        The hadeeth of ibn Umar Reported by Abu Nu’aym in al-Hilya (6/133),

        “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Madeenah, and bestow your blessings on our Mecca, and bestow your blessings on our Shaam, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa’inaa wa muddinaa).” A person said, ” O Messenger of Allaah and in our Iraaq” and so he turned away from him and said, “there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan.”

        If AMARASIRI has an iota of Islamic Sense in his already prejudiced mind, then he would desist from challenging an authentic report with a fabricated canard due to sectarian reasons, and trying to spread their misguidance and deceive ignorant Muslims. Any believing Muslim will always give credence to authenticity against fabrication!

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          J.Deane ,

          “If AMARASIRI has an iota of Islamic Sense in his already prejudiced mind, then he would desist from challenging an authentic report with a fabricated canard due to sectarian reasons, and trying to spread their misguidance and deceive ignorant Muslims. Any believing Muslim will always give credence to authenticity against fabrication! “

          Amarasiri is after the TRUTH. What is the TRUTH, and what are the supporting data and evidence?

          The Evidence is overwhelming from multiple independent sources. The Wahhabies and theit clones are trying to be Wahhabi apologetics, and selectively ignore Hadith. This is very similar to the Catholic Church ignoring the overwhelming evidence presented by Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler on the Heliocentric Planetary model.

          The TRUTH is that Prophet Mohamed, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, presciently predicted the coming of Wahhabies and their clones, enticed by the Satan, Devil, Iblis, 1,400 years ago from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. ISIS, is one version of Satan following Wahhabism, and Satan Iblis, is all out deceiving mankind, as taught by Islamic Theology.

          Devil (Islam)

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

          “authentic report with a fabricated canard due to sectarian reasons, and trying to spread their misguidance and deceive ignorant Muslims. Any believing Muslim will always give credence to authenticity against fabrication!”

          Wahhabism is the Greatest Fabrication by the Devil, Satan, Iblis, to misguide the Muslims. SSIS is an extention of Wahhabism to mislead the Muslims and non-Muslims alike. The Evidence is overwhelming. Wahhabsm is not even a school of Islam, like Hanafi, Sahafi, Maliii, and Hanbali. Wahaabism belongs to the school of Iblisism, Satanism, as predicted .Even Ibn Taymiah, said so, even though he was deceived by the Satan, Iblis too.

          Where is Najd – HORN of SATAN? “EXPOSED! The Horn of Satan”. It is in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHymIJWMfA&t=409s

          Published on Dec 5, 2014
          To all the doubters who still think Najd is in Iraq and not in Saudi Arabia. It is in Saudi Arabia.
          5 Evidences.

          Click the below link for Part 2 of this series: “EXPOSED! The Horn of Satan”.

          https://youtu.be/aqBEm6oWTys

          Give up your Wahhabism or its clone versions, and avoid being burned in Hell-Fire along with Satan, Iblis.

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            AMARASIRI
            What a stupid reply! Hang on a second. How can a NON-Muslim teach the tenets of ISLAM to the Muslims?
            The AMARASIRI way
            Glean through the internet, collect the articles of the opponents of Islam, cut and paste. Bring in irrelevant statistics, GMAT scores,National IQ’s etc, etc, and confuse, confuse and confuse. Explore schismatic arguments and confront the righteous. Claim to tell the TRUTH, the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH. Repeat these lies unabatedly in Goebbelsian fashion hoping that the masses will finally accept the lies as truth.
            AMARASIRI, Now is the time for you stop transmitting the lies of others and research yourself on Sheik Wahab. You will conclude that it was not him who was possessed of the Devil but YOU, yourself.
            Please stop being a proxy for your Iranian paymasters and repent. As for by going to Hell, I suggest you stop playing GOD and cleanse yourself

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              J.Deane

              “AMARASIRI, Now is the time for you stop transmitting the lies of others and research yourself on Sheik Wahab. You will conclude that it was not him who was possessed of the Devil but YOU, yourself. “

              Amarasiri is like Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler. Look at the evidence, and interpret it correctly. The interpretations of the Ancient Greeks and that of Joshua were all proved to be incorrect..

              Similarly Amarasiri , is using the Quran and Hadith as the sources, the research carried out by others, and well as the actions of the various shades of Wahhabi Devil followers to correctly assign the information and data. The Culprit, the Devil, Satan, Iblis and its follows, the Wahhabies and heir clones.

              Even Abdul Wahhab’s own brother criticized the Satan following Abdul Wahhab, and wrote a book denouncing Abdul Wahhab, and was killed by the Satan following Wahhabies.

              The Wahhaism Salafism and their clones such as ISIS are agents of the Devil, Satan, Iblis.

              Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted.

              They are NOT from Iran. They are from Sunni Egypt !

              Published on Jun 2, 2013

              Yusri Rushdi al-Sayyid Jabr al-Husni, a Sunni Muslim religious scholar from the world’s oldest and most prestigious Islamic school, the Honorable al-Azhar, has stated that Wahhabis who are also known by other names such as Salafis, Najdis, and Horners, are in fact the Horn of the Devil, a term used by the prophet Muhammad in reference to a satanic faith that shall come out of Najd (Saudi Arabia).

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufxTUFapy1w&t=63s

              Give up your Wahhabism or its clone versions, and avoid being burned in Hell-Fire along with Satan, Iblis, on the day of Judgement.

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              J.Deane

              Part 2. Wahhabies and Clones: Blind Satanic Followers. Evidence.-Continued.
              (288 Words)

              “As the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “It is sufficient to consider a man a liar when he narrates everything that he hears.” [Sahîh Muslim]”That is how Satan, Iblis followers narrate what Abdul Wahhab narrates from Najd.

              The towns were overrun in 1168 by the Wahhabis, and Sulayman fled to Sudayr where he was left alone. Twenty years later he was brought against his will to Dir`iyya, the capital of his brother and `Abd al-`Aziz ibn Muhammad ibn Sa`ud, where Muhammad kept him under a sumptuous but strict house arrest until they both died.

              Sources: Ibn Bishr, _`Unwan al-Majd bi-Tarikh Najd_ (years 1165 and 1168); _Tarikh Ibn La`bun_ (year 1190); Ibn Ghannam, _ Tarikh_ (1:142), all as cited in the marginalia of Ibn Humayd, _al-Suhub al-Wabila_ (2:678-679).

              It is in the context of his losing battle against his brother that Sulayman wrote his famous book against the Wahhhabi sect titled:

              _Fasl al-Khitab min Kitab Allah wa-Hadith al-Rasul (salla Allahu `alayhi wa-Sallam) wa-Kalam Uli al-Albab fi Madhhab Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab_ (“The Final Word from the Qur’an, the Hadith, and the Sayings of the Scholars Concerning the School of Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab”),

              also known as:

              _al-Sawa`iq al-Ilahiyya fi Madhhab al-Wahhabiyya_ (“The Divine Thunderbolts Concerning the Wahhabi School”).

              This book is among the first and earliest refutations of the Wahhabi sect in print, consisting in over forty-five concise chapters spanning 120 pages that aim to show the divergence of the Wahhabi school, not only from the Consensus and usûl of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a and the fiqh of the Hanbali Madhhab, but also from their putative Imams, Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn al-Qayyim on most or all the issues reviewed.

              http://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot.com/2008/08/sulayman-ibn-abd-al-wahhab.html

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              With Islamaphobia sweeping across the world, it would be sensible for you to be grateful that people like Amarasiri (and me!) are stubbornly refusing to join in the chorus.

              We have spent hours (no, years!) trying to understand your point of view. For no reward. “jim softy” has started saying that I’m really a Tamil.

              On the other hand, how much time have you spent on following up on other views on different eschatologies (I hope that is the right word!)?

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            J.Deane

            Part 3 . Wahhabies and Clones: Blind Satanic Followers. Evidence.-Continued.

            ( Less than 300 words)

            Primary Refutations & Condemnations of Wahhabism

            1. Wahhabism is Not Islam. It is Iblis-ism. Wahhabism DOES NOT belong to the Sunni Schools of Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki ir Hanbali as well as the Shio Schools.

            2. Wahhabism belongs to the School of Iblis-ism. As such Wahhabirs and their clones are NOT Muslims, but Iblis, following Satanis.

            3. The Wahhabis and their clones destroy Muslim Houses of Worship, such as those belonging to Shia, Sufi and Ahmedia sect, as well as Christian Churches, which only Satanis do, In addition they also destroy the Islamic historical sites, based on instructions from Satan, Iblis.

            4. The Wahhabis call non-Wahhabi Muslims , Kafir, and kill them.

            5. Tauhid, Tawhid, Satan, Iblis knows and believes in Tauhid, Tawhdf. Satan, Iblis has managed to fool,many Muslims, under the banner of Tauhid, Tawhid, including Abdul Wahhab, father of Wahhabism, to distort Islam and Kill Muslims, by calling them Kuffar.

            https://rasoolurrahmah.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/primary-refutations-condemnations-of-wahhabism/

            The Satanic, Iblisic, Wahhabi, Trick, Trojan Horse Exposed

            al-Shaykh Sulaiman bin Abdul Wahhab (brother ofMohammad bin Abdul Wahhab, founder of the Wahhabi sect) says in his book “Al-Sawa’iq Al-Ilahiyyah”, about the Wahabbi’s:
            “And today we are afflicted with those who associate themselves with Quran and Sunnah, and claim to derive rulings from them, while not caring about the opinions of the scholars who differ with them, and refusing to discuss their rulings with qualified scholars. What is even worse, is that these people impose their rulings on people and consider anyone who differs with them as a Kafir.” [Sulaiman bin Abdul Wahhab, “Al-Sawa’iq Al-Ilahiyyah”, page 5.]

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      Goraka:

      Thst is what Exactly prophet said.

      If anyone talked agaisnt him, he said non-believer. If anyone came against him, it becomes jihad against that.

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        jin softy,

        Also don’t forget what Buddha said:

        “Conquer anger with LOVE, evil with GOOD, meanness with GENEROSITY, and lies with TRUTH.” ~Buddha

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        SO DONT TALK AGAINST HIM. WHY BUDDHISTS ALWAYS HAVE TO BE VIOLENT. ITS IN THEIR BLOOD.

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      Goraka

      RE: Ulema

      There was dumb, then dumber, and then dumbest. Are the Sri Lankan Ulama much different?

      Published on May 13, 2015
      There was dumb, then dumber, and then dumbest. Finally, there was dumbestest. Credits go to the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) for translating this.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4PbPbPKJIQ

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      Shouldn’t we amputate the fingers of a guy like “Goraka”?

      Poor fellow must have lost some of his anatomy in infancy!

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    Another factor that anti reformist blame the “Muslim feminists” is that they have exposed our problems to the other Sri Lankans. They are very angry that non Muslims have got to know about it. So far the anti reformists were portraying that Muslims are happy with the MPL and only a little bit of tinkering is necessary. Their argument is that Islam gives all the rights to women and therefore women are quite happy. Now Sri Lankan community knows what women are going through under MMDAct

    There were lot of criticism that Muslim women are seeking help from non Muslims to reform the law. For so long, Muslim women have tried to seek justice through Muslims, but it is of no avail. This time they have courageously taken this to UN too.

    Do the readers know that a woman can be divorced without a reason. Unlike our counterparts they do not have to give alimony other than for a period of 100 days after divorce. Imagine the plight of the woman.

    Apart from that he can bring 4 women as wives. Quran lays strict rules for polygamy, but none of them are followed. Based on the religious edicts , Tunisia has banned polygamy. A leading Mufthi’s first wife got a depression when he took a second wife. Muslim majority countries have reformed Muslim Law and are appointing female quazies. I could quote many examples.

    Above are few examples, MMDA discriminates against Muslim women.

    Mufthi’s boast that property rights are given to Muslim women before the Western countries did. But property rights given to women cannot be enjoyed, as the moment women refuses, she can be divorced or he can bring another woman.

    MMDA is not divine.It enshrines Quranic principles favourable to men and forget the sections that give justice to women. Polygamy is one example, where MMDA disregards the Quranic injunctions and calling it divine.

    Muslim feminists have a tremendous task. Ulemas have gone to the extent of even making wild threats to the politicians. Politicians are scared to voice their opinion in public fearing that Ulemas will shout from the pulpit.

    Cheers to Muslim feminists. Keep up your good work on behalf of the oppressed women.

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      Dear Sabra Zahid and Zaneera Farook,

      “MMDA is not divine.It enshrines Quranic principles favourable to men and forget the sections that give justice to women. “

      “Cheers to Muslim feminists. Keep up your good work on behalf of the oppressed women.”

      Yes.

      Protecting the Sri Lankan Muslim girls and Muslim women the tyranny of the Ulama, Mullahs, Imams and Quazis is Divine, as it bestows them God given rights and evolutionary to be girls and women.Furthermore, every Sri Lankan person, girl, boy woman, man has constitutional rights, the Ulama cannot trample, by flimsy excuses of being Divine. Who says that the Ulama has the right to interpret correctly? According to the foremost Islamic Scholar, Jurist, Polymath and Philosopher of All time, Ibn Rushd, from around 1,200 CE, only the Philosophers have the knowledge , can interpret the “Precious Book” Quran correctly, and NOT the Theologians, Ulama, as they are literalists, parrots.

      Additional Suggested Action Plan:

      1. Form Form an Organization with a Budget, and Raise funds from well wishes, and recruit volunteers from all walks of life. Amarasiri will contribute Rs,10,000, and will contribute another Rs.10,000 when you raise Rs.100,000,

      1. Contact All Sri Lankan Muslim women’s organizations who want the MMDAct reformed and form a common front. to move further forward.

      2. As a Common Rights Front Group, approach All the Women’s Organizations in Sri lanka, Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu and others. They will have empathy for you. They are your sisters.

      3. As a Common Rights Front Group, approach All the human Rights Organizations in Sri Lanka, Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu and others. They will have empathy for you. They want to protect human rights.

      4. As a Common Rights Front Group, carry out a poster campaign, a flyer campaign, and distribute at the mosques, churches, bus substations, train stations, and recruit school girls, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Christian and other denominations.

      5. As a Common Rights Front Group, carry out a social media campaign, in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, U-Tube, and other media, and have your own web site presenting the information.Recruit committed volunteers.

      6.. . Have your Draft or Final version of the Reformed MMDAct Ready.

      7.. Contact ALL MP’s, excluding the Muslim MP’s as a group. ( Let the Muslim MP’s lick the asses of the Ulama, which they are good at).

      8,. Get a group of progressive Non-Muslim MP’s to present the Bill in Parliament and get it approved.

      Warn the Muslim MP’s and ask them to abstain so that they can continue to lick the asses of the Ulama. and keep their “sanity”.

      Cheers. Go for it! Repeal thew current MMDA and reform it!

      Best regards,

      Amarasiri

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      Zaneera Farook:

      some where it said Muslim Hard liner men uses “diplomatic means” with leading politicians to stop the amendment.

      So, watch leading Sinhala politicians. They do any crime for money.

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        Dear Sabra Zahid and Zaneera Farook,

        “So, watch leading Sinhala politicians. They do any crime for money.”

        This makes it harder. The Devil, Satan, Inlis following Saudui Wahhabis will pump money into the Devil, Satan Iblis following Ulama to be given as bribes to the Sri Lankan Politicians to prevent them from Voting for MMDA reform.

        We all know how they behaved with the Tax free cat permits. Even the JVP sold out.

        Are are any honest and moral politicians in Sri Lanka, occupied bt the Paras?

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      Keep writing, Zaneera.

      And let’s hope more Muslims – both men and women – start supporting you, so that you DO succeed.

      What do you think of Fathima who says this?

      “Compared to Muslim women given against their will due to existing law, the number of non-Muslim women facing the same fate due to above said reasons is much more higher and almost happening on a daily basis.”

      She may be right, but shouldn’t she regarded, given the context that she is writing in, a saboteur?

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    How funny and silly is this writer to come and say indirectly “We have been trying to reform our community for over 50 years and anti-reformists don’t let us do our tasks”

    What an irresponsibility. Imagine these people become leaders..

    Dear Sabra Zahid,

    I guess you and others involved in this reform process might have to change yourselves first to take this ‘reform process’ a serious issue of the community, and not as your evening-wears to show off you guys are activists & reformists.

    50 years & achieved nothing is super flop!!!

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      Mohamed,

      Though sounds a bit harsh, what you said is correct.

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      Muslim women have tried for 50+ years, but they have openly demanded the reform of the MMDAct from 30 years. In 1986, there was a committee appointed and Muslim women made representations, this committee did not submit a report. In 1992, a committee was appointed under the leadership of eminent civil servant Dr. Shahabdeen. This committee’s Report was supportive of women’s rights within the framework of Sharia. But it was never presented to the Parliament due to the fear of some Ulemas who will campaign against the Muslim MPs. From 2009 onward, they were submitting their suggestions till to date to the present committee headed by Justice Saleem Marsuf

      This campaign as pointed out by Sabra has been there for a very long time.

      In 1951 MMDact was passed and till to date nothing has changed to benefit the women.

      Women’s dress has nothing to do with the claim for rights. Whenever we asked for rights, our way of talking, writing or dress is the subject of discussion and not the subject matter of what we are speaking. Sabra and her groups are not asking for reforms for personal benefits but for the benefit of the suffering women.

      There were men who opposed any restrictions on polygamy, and they realised their folly, when their daughters who had to face the ordeal of being part of a polygamous marriage. But I also know many fathers who are reluctant to give their daughter under the MMDAct, knowing the consequences.

      I think Muslims should be given the option to register their marriage under the General Marriage Ordinance, if the Ulemas still keep opposing the proposed reforms which are within the framework of Sharia. When our Muslims go abroad, they register their children’s marriage under the law of that country.

      There will be a special place in hell for these anti reformists who are preventing reforms, by giving highly unjust patriarchal interpretations for the beautiful verses in the Quran which are very supportive of women. It was our beloved prophet who gave us rights when it was never thought of before but these ULEMAs…..

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        Make sense Zaneera, you guys are helpless among the powers. As Ahmed L said, sometimes you guys will have to reach to the lowest levels up. Currently, you don\t have that many supporters. You don’t have the support from the community and other females.

        Either they are unaware or they are shy to come out. Find ways to tackle these issues and when you have the backup of the large numbers along with support of other powerful Muslim and non-Muslim elements, ulemas or politician can do nothing.

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      Dear Mohamed,

      You are entitled to have reservations.

      Your other comments prove you to be a decent man.

      Tell me, isn’t your being a Man more important than being a Muslim?

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        Ha..ha…

        Don’t get me wrong, I did not mean to attack the writer personally. I said what they have done is not enough and not the right approach, which my conscience says is right too. Being ‘yes’ always makes others blindly continue what they have been doing.

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      Assalamu Alaikum Warahmathullahi Wabarakathu,

      The first committee which wanted reform was set up in 1970 and comprised of Muslim men. I know this because DR HMZ Farouque, a pious man and lawyer, who has written book on Islamic law in Sri Lanka, led the first committee for reform. He and others realized there were some loopholes in the MMDA, as well as how the Qazi system operated and wanted to update them to make them more Shariah compliant. The 1990 committee led by Dr Shahbdeen also proposed reform which included letting the bride give her written consent in the nikah certificate. This is normal practice in nikah certificates from Yemen to Malaysia, Saudi Arabia to Iran. However, the ulemas in this country are not well versed in Fiqh, despite having religious degrees. To be an expert on jurisprudence takes years of knowledge, practice and experience. And requires one to be able to apply religious law to a given situation.

      Because this is an Act of Parliament, it needs the support of local Muslim politicians to pass.They will not vote for it because they need Rizwie Muftie’s support to sway voters. Since he is popular and the face of the ACJU, people look for his opinion, even if those sheikhs who are less popular, but more knowledgable than him agree that the MMDA needs to be reformed.

      I also know several women in hijab, niqab and abaya, like myself, who have also been asking for reform. This issue is nothing to do with dress, as the first reformers were entirely men. The idea is to seek justice. And the core of the Islamic spirit is to struggle for justice. Personally I find these women far better Muslims than some of my Muslim brothers commenting. Because they haven’t forgotten how the Prophet (Sal) stood for the exploited and oppressed. I’ve seen men in beards commit crimes. And Muslim is judged first by his actions, before anything else.

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    This interesting article by the young lady aroused my curiosity sufficiently to research the laws of Islam relating to women.
    There is much information on the internet. However there are 2 very prominent versions of the traditions and laws, from Sunni and Shia sources. I do not wish to open the Pandora’s box between these 2 warring groups, but I found it noteworthy that the Shia versions are far more sympathetic towards Mohamed and his family.
    Furthermore Shia don’t state stuff which enable the Islam-haters to attack Mohamed, notably the age of his wife at marriage.
    Although the Sunnis stick dogmatically to the version his wife was a minor at marriage, the Shia have quoted many Sunni historians to prove the opposite,e.g.
    Muslim authors who calculate Aisha’s age based on the more detailed information available about her sister Asma estimate that she was between seventeen and nineteen at the time of her marriage.
    Muhammad Niknam Arabshahi, an Iranian Islamic scholar and historian, has considered six different approaches to determining Aisha’a age and concluded that she was engaged in her late teens.
    Another example:
    Barlas, Asma (2012). “Believing Women” in Islam: Unreading Patriarchal Interpretations of the Qur’an. University of Texas Press. p. 126. On the other hand, however, Muslims who calculate ‘Ayesha’s age based on details of her sister Asma’s age, about whom more is known, as well as on details of the Hijra (the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Madina), maintain that she was over thirteen and perhaps between seventeen and nineteen when she got married. Such views cohere with those Ahadith that claim that at her marriage Ayesha had “good knowledge of Ancient Arabic poetry and genealogy” and “pronounced the fundamental rules of Arabic Islamic ethics”.

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    If there is to be a special law for Muslims, why not incorporate the Shia and Sunni versions. That way, the dogmatic approach of the theologians would be held at bay by an opposing group, and a consensus could be reached.
    The Muslims believe that the Koran is the Word of God to the letter. The interpretation of this Word is supposed to be in the Six Authentic Books of Traditions.
    However they say there are very weak narrations and very strong narrations, some even opposing the Koran. I fail to understand how the Books can be called Authentic. And of course there are the Shia narrations that totally contradict the Sunni versions.
    Maybe these young muslim feminists should read up on the Shia version of Islam.

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    Sadly , hundreds of thousands of intelligent young girls who can contribute so much to Sri Lankan society are being deprived of an education due to this archaic practice of child marriage. No one seems to care about their plight , except for a handful of intelligent ladies like Ms.Zahid .

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      Oracle, where are your evidence that ‘hundreds of thousands young girls can contribute…”?

      You are stirring up trouble with glee, thanks for the author.

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      Oracle,

      hundreds of thousands of intelligent young girls who can contribute so much to Sri Lankan society are being deprived of an education due to poverty and lack of opportunities is the correct version. And that does not apply just to the girls alone.

      If above said is 90%, due to MMDA it is just maybe 2%. I too want reforms and MMDA thrown away. But speak sense and pracctical

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    More important that all public debate is convincing the Muslim woman.
    Much of it has to be done at home, patiently and persistently.
    Sadly, many non-Muslim ‘reformists’ have things other than modernization of the religion in mind.

    I have spent some days in Shiraz and in Isfahan: the urban female educational level is high. They are into technology in a big way.
    Iranian Islamic fundamentalism is no more a religious thing but part of public resentment of meddling by the US and its allies.
    When society modernizes, religion follows suit, like what happened to Christianity.

    Muslim women in Sri Lanka are faring better than their male counterparts in many fields. That is a promising sign. Leave it to the Muslim women, they will find and fight their way to reform and equality.

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    Muslim commenters,

    How many of you have 4 wives???? Or do you know anyone has more than one wife???

    Here are few suggestions for Muslim marriages; no Muslim woman should get married under 50 years of age, no Muslim woman get married to another Muslim man, these will stop breeding terrorists.

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      Ha..ha…

      It is quite difficult to manage my 3 wives and 12 kids. Thank god, I know how to buy at 100rupee and sell at 2000 rupees.

      If your best suggestion implemented, imagine SL in 20 years. Govt has to octuple the public transportation, govt office tables would look like dinner tables as chairs would need to be increased, On the other hands, Aussie govt will have to increase their budget for ads on illegal immigrants, and you have to travel often to India, Dubai, Hongkong etc to buy your clothings and other needs, sometimes, even for a ‘paratta rottie’ you might need to end up at star hotels, perhaps hourly work-strikes are also possible. Also eateries and pharmacies might also go bankrupt should not be forgotten

      Good suggestion, but Govt might increase taxing and average citizen spending will go high as well :(

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    Sabra Zahid, you must be mighty proud of all the muslim-bashing and open prejudices towards Islam that you envisaged would happen when you undertook to write this piece. It might not be your intention, but it certainly looks like it.

    It would be more courageous, if you have taken your concerns to the “backward” Muslims and explain what is wrong with the law.

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      Goraka

      From what the author says it appears to be a failed strategy. Tried for decades but no use.
      On another note, there is always a basis for any kind of bashing. Muslims should take it as a wake up call.

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        Failed strategy or wrong strategy for 50 years? These people did not have plan B? 50 years was enough time to try Not just plans from A to Z of English alphabet, every letter of many tough languages..he..he.

        Typical Muslim strategy

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          Dear Mohamed,

          Assalamu Alaikum,

          Reforms were first initiated in the 70’s. Soon after that we had ethnic troubles and the 30 year civil war. During the war all other legal or social issues took a backseat. After the war got over, that govt started a campaign against Muslims. Only since last year, after the new government stabilized, was this topic finally brought to the table. Hence the delay.

          New strategies are in place and Insha Allah the reforms will pass with public opinion behind it. The first way you can contribute is to actually read about the issue in full. There are some documents in the dropbox folder below you can start with. And share with others :)

          https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jn5ht2yovrzvp4r/AAAYFCvK5_xObekX14wPMOMva?dl=0

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      It is not only the backward Muslims but the so called ” forward Muslims” who are in the forefront of demanding equal rights for Muslims, are opposing reforms.

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        Salma Junaideen

        “It is not only the backward Muslims but the so called ” forward Muslims” who are in the forefront of demanding equal rights for Muslims, are opposing reforms.”

        “backward Muslims” They are backward because they have been brainwashed b the Ulama to the advantage of the Ulama.

        “forward Muslims” They are “forward” because even they have been brainwashed b the Ulama to the advantage of the Ulama, but they do see the advantage for themselves in the MMDA, because”

        1.They can divorce the wife or wives by saying “Talaq” Divorce in Arabic three times, and use as a threat to keep their wife or wives obedient, abuse and use them, and get their properties as well, under threat of divorce.

        2. They can get additional wives without the permission of the earlier wive or wives.

        3. They do not have to pay alimony after 90 days.

        4. They can have the children,

        5. They can use the wives and daughters as Chattel,.

        6. They can marry girls as young as 12 years old, and go even lower by paying Quazi Judge.

        7. On the Marriage contract, the bride need not sign, as she is the chattel of the male “guardian”

        Is Sharia “Law” s interpreted by the Ulama, Divine, or man-made?

        Do you really believe that the creator, if any, or evolution wanted it that way, as claimed by the Ulama?

        Please read up on the Greatest Islamic Scholar, Jurist, Polymath and Philosopher, Ibn Rushd, produced by the Islamic Scholars and Philosophers, , known in the west as Averroes.

        http://www.iep.utm.edu/ibnrushd/

        https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/artsandculture/2015/4/9/ibn-rushd-in-his-darkest-hour

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes

        http://siraj.net/The-Muslim-Mind-on-Trial-38.60.html#page/60

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          Amarasiri, you are annoying with your cut-and-paste knowledge.

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            Despite Amarasiri’s cut and paste, he is infinitely more to the liking of readers like us, than a Male Chauvinist Pig like you!

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            Goraka

            Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler were annoying to the Catholic Church and the Popes.

            The Truth indeed hurts. It is really annoying the Stupid Ulama.

            The Ulama have no critical thinking skills, unlike the philosophers. Read up on the works of Ibn Rushd.

            Hadith of Najd is annoying to the Washablis and their clones who follow Satan, Devil, Iblis, and make the Wahhabi’s Stupid including the Ulama, who lack critical thinking skills.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

            The Hadith of Najd is a famous hadith with several chains of narration about three geographical locations. While all Sunni Muslims accept the group of hadith as authentic, the exact location of the area referred to as “Najd” is disputed, but is believed to be, based on evidence, near Riyadh Saudi Araba, the Wahhabi -Salafi Satan following Capital.

            Saudi Wahhabis Graduates have the Lowest GMAT Scores, that measures critical thinking skills.

            Quick Post: L&V’s National IQs predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

            http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

            Regression Plot: The regression plot for GMAT scores and L&V’s (2012) Estimated National IQs is shown below.

            Devil, Satan following Wahhabi Saudi Arabia at the bottom. The Saudis along with their Ulama are the stupidest. See below.

            https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png

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        Like Shia & Sunni, and Thableek Jamath & Taweed, now we have additional 2 types called ‘forward Muslims’ and ‘backward Muslims’?

        Equal rights better be started from homes. Why can’t women like you & the writer start eliminating so-called backward Muslims’ within your own families to start the campaign with a new boost?

        I am sure every Muslim family in SL has been dominated by the majority of so-called ‘backward Muslims’.

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          Mohamed
          (299 Words)

          “I am sure every Muslim family in SL has been dominated by the majority of so-called ‘backward Muslims’. “

          Why?

          Ordinary Muslims who join to become Ulama, become stupid as a result of the Ulama Training. The stupid Ulama teaches and trains more Muslims to be stupid, and after some time, the majority of Muslims become as stupid as the Ulama.

          This is the explanation given by the greatest Islamic Scholar, Jurist, Polymath and Philosopher, Ibn Rushd, also known as Averroes, who lived in the 12th Century. The Ulama wanted his Philosophy books burned.

          Ibn Rushd (Averroes)

          http://www.iep.utm.edu/ibnrushd/

          Just fifteen years before his birth, the great critic of Islamic philosophy, al-Ghazzali (1058-1111), had died after striking a blow against Muslim Neoplatonic philosophy, particularly against the work of the philosopher Ibn Sina (Avicenna). From such bleak circumstances emerged the Spanish-Muslim philosophers, of which the jurist and physician Ibn Rushd came to be regarded as the final and most influential Muslim philosopher, especially to those who inherited the tradition of Muslim philosophy in the West.

          He critically examined the alleged tension between philosophy and religion in the Decisive Treatise, and he challenged the anti-philosophical sentiments within the Sunni tradition sparked by al-Ghazzali.
          Ibn Rushd contended that the claim of many Muslim theologians that philosophers were outside the fold of Islam had no base in scripture. His novel exegesis of seminal Quranic verses made the case for three valid “paths” of arriving at religious truths, and that philosophy was one if not the best of them, therefore its study should not be prohibited. He also challenged Asharite, Mutazilite, Sufi, and “literalist” conceptions of God’s attributes and actions, noting the philosophical issues that arise out of their notions of occasionalism, divine speech, and explanations of the origin of the world.

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    The extent to which the Ulemas have conspired to keep our sisters under the domination of males is best exemplified by the prevailing types of divorce under Muslim Law. These are :

    Mubaara-ah [Termination of marriage by mutual consent of both Husband and Wife]
    Talaq [Termination of marriage by the unilateral will of the Husband]
    Nikah-e-Fask [Termination of marriage by a Qazi at the request of the Wife, if the Husband ill-treats her or does not give her equal rights]
    Khulah [Termination of marriage by the Husband at the request of the Wife]

    All these types of divorce are contingent upon the will of the Husband and/or (male) Quazis. Yet there is a fifth type of divorce, Isma, which is not taken cognizance of by our worthy Ulemas.

    This refers to the termination of marriage by the unilateral will of the wife PROVIDED it is mentioned as a specific clause in the marriage contract / certificate. In other words at the time of signing the marriage contract, along with the clause specifying the amount of Mahr that the Husband will gift the Wife, there should be a another clause (Talaq-al-tafwid) where the Husband agrees to delegate the power of Isma (‘female talak’) to his Wife – subject to specific conditions (if necessary).

    Why have the Ulemas not introduced the Talaq-al-tafwid clause into the Muslim Marriage Certificate ? Would the Muslim Husband experience a sense of fear and insecurity at the knowledge that his Wife has as much power over him as he does over her with regard to divorce ?

    Empower the Muslim Wife !!

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      ekelbroom

      “All these types of divorce are contingent upon the will of the Husband and/or (male) Quazis”

      “This refers to the termination of marriage by the unilateral will of the wife PROVIDED it is mentioned as a specific clause in the marriage contract / certificate. In other words at the time of signing the marriage contract, along with the clause specifying the amount of Mahr that the Husband will gift the Wife, there should be a another clause (Talaq-al-tafwid) where the Husband agrees to delegate the power of Isma (‘female talak’) to his Wife – subject to specific conditions (if necessary).”

      “Why have the Ulemas not introduced the Talaq-al-tafwid clause into the Muslim Marriage Certificate ? “

      Thanks for the information and comment.

      Why? Because the Ulama are men, and they want to keep the power over women and girls, and keep treating them as chattel.

      What would you expect the marriage contract is signed between the man (husband) and the Guardian, Wali ( a man) , presided over by a Quazi ( a man), and witnessed by two men. The bride (girl, women) has not got full disclosure as to what she is being subjected to by the marriage contract, and s such the husband, the Guardian, Wali and the Quazi, aided and abetted by the two male witnesses, and therefore committing fraud, in the name of religion, to maintain their male hegemony.

      Therefore, as part of the MMDA Reforms, it should include:

      1. Full disclosure of the 5 Points above, including Talaq-al-tafwid clause, for obtaining a divorce by either party.

      2. Nikah-e-Fask [Termination of marriage by a FEMALE* Qazi at the request of the Wife, if the Husband ill-treats her or does not give her equal rights]
      FEMALE* Qazi : Are there any?

      3. Thre written marriage contract with All the clauses, fully disclosed, is signed by the man and woman, with two male witnesses and two female witnesses. and attested by the Quazi ( Either Male or Female)

      4. No bride can be below the age of 18. Only adults can get into marriage contracts, male or female.

      5. The women have the same rights as men, as per the Sri Lankan constitution, the Constitutional rights, notwithstanding the religious traditions, and can seek redress under the constitution by appealing to the courts and the supreme court.

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    Sabra Zahid and the others agitating for this very necessary reform of laws relating to their position in society have certainly discovered some men within their own society who realise that ALL will gain if one of the least empowered groups in society is allowed to function as intelligent members of our society. That is more important than our knowing of your plight.

    Let’s hope that you push ahead with yet another initiative; I can’t help feeling that we’ve done what we can for the time being. Some comments on comments are still coming in: what an indefatigable champion you have in Amarasiri! You will have to search for them by date in the middle.

    From us, who are not Muslims, and do not know all the intricacies of the system, I can only say that our respect for Islam will grow many fold if only these ladies succeed in their brave efforts.

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      I’m so glad to see that the formidable Izeth Hussain has spoken clearly in support of the cause espoused by these ladies. I was never in any doubt that he would approve of their agitation, but I was waiting for his comment, and I’m now replying my own comment so as to let him have, perhaps, the last word on this blog.

      It is upto Ms Sabra Zahid to now enlist the support of people of Izeth Hussain’s calibre. I’m hoping that he will write a few articles on the subject himself. He writes very well indeed.

      Good luck to you all!

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    Sabra Zahid is quite right that the movement to secure the rights of Muslim females has been going on for decades but with no avail. Consequently Muslim females have got more active over their problems in recent times. That is a welcome development which could signify important changes taking place within the Muslim community.
    What has prevented the Salim Marsoof Committee finalizing its report for over seven years? We must contextualize the problem. Underlying it all, I suspect, is the spread of Wahabi notions of Islam. And underlying that is the power of the petro-dollar.. – IH

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      Izeth Hussain

      “What has prevented the Salim Marsoof Committee finalizing its report for over seven years? We must contextualize the problem. Underlying it all, I suspect, is the spread of Wahabi notions of Islam. And underlying that is the power of the petro-dollar.. – IH”

      Thanks for your succinct comment.

      The Satanic Wahhabies, are behaving like the Catholic Church and the Popes of the 16rth century Europe.

      Actually there are three parts.

      1. The Wahabi-Salafi, Tauheed, and Clone theology, that follows Satan, Iblis, Devil, that the Wahhabis try yo get respect by calling the Sufis and Shia to be Grave worshipers. The Satan has found refuge in Tauheed, as the Satan, Iblis also believes in Tauheed, oneness of God. This was Satan’s, Iblis’s Trojan Horse.

      Bait the Wahhabis with Tauheed, ad let them go berserk, Wahhaberrk, among the ordinary Muslims and destroy from inside.

      So the Wahhabies, Salafies, Tauheed, ISIS and other clones are simply agents of Satan, Iblis

      2. “And underlying that is the power of the petro-dollar.. – IH”

      Yes without the petrodollar, the Wahhabi Salafi-Tauheed, Satanic project would not have spread, The circumstantial and direct evidence points to the indivisible hand of Satan, Iblis.

      3. Cultural. The Pterodollats combined with the Wahhabi-Salafi-dress code, as interpreted by the Wahhabi Ulama, is a Wahhabi Cultural project, that is in keeping with the desires of Satan, Devil, Iblis.

      Martin Luther had d 99 theses against the “infallible ‘ Pope.

      Who is going to come up with 99 Theses against the Satan, Iblis following Wahhabies, Salafies, Tauhid, ISIS and their clones, in the 21st century?

      The Wahhabi apologist, J.Deane, made only a few comments, untenable, against overwhelming data and historical record.challenging the Wahhabi satanic Ideology.

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