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My Explanation To The Devanampiya Tissa Controversy

By C.V. Wigneswaran

C.V. Wigneswaran

I find controversies have arisen due to my identifying Devanainampiya Theesan (Devanampiya Tissa) as a Tamil King. Let me briefly give my reasons for my conclusion. I use “Devanampiya Tissa” for easy understanding by the readers.

1. Sinhala as a language came into being after 6th Century AD. (Refer to Sigiriya graffiti). Devanampiya Tissa lived from 307 BC to 267 BC. His father was Mootha Sivan. Devanampiya Tissa lived about 800 years before the birth of the Sinhala language. Sinhalese are those who speak the Sinhala language. The Mahawansa refers to two Temples that existed over 100 years before Devanampiya Tissa. Professor Paranavitharana has identified one of the Temples as a Sivan Temple and the other as the living quarters of Brahmins. Thus even though Buddhism was introduced during the reign of Devanampiya Tissa the language in use at that time was a Dravidian language and certainly not Sinhala language. At least Devanampiya Tissa was a Demala Baudhaya!

The Sinhala language came about essentially on account of the influence Pali and Prakrit words had on the local Dravidian language.  Such effects of Prakrit on the original Dravidian Tamil language produced Kannada after 5th Century AD, Telungu in the 6th Century AD; and Malayalam in the 8th and 9th Century AD. Even the Sangam Tamil underwent certain changes since 6th Century AD. The influence of Pali in the formation of the Sinhala language was considerable while it was the influence of Prakrit which produced Kannada, Telungu and Malayalam. Thanks to Professor Malalasekera and others Sinhala language today has Sinhalacised lots of Hindi words in order to make their glossary adequate to deal with the changing world scenario.

The use of certain words during Asoka’s time does not make those words Sinhala words. It only meant Tissa in Prakrit and Thisai in Tamil were used at that time. Sinhala language came centuries later.   

2. The archaeological investigations that have taken place after 1970 have brought out the fact that the race, language, writing, religious beliefs and rituals, cultural history of the early people of Sri Lanka were similar to the South Indian cultural ambience of that era. Professor Sudershan Seneviratne has referred to the close resemblance between the Early Iron Age civilisation of South India and the early Sri Lankan civilisation. Kennedy refers to the people of that time as belonging to the same human species’ group. In 1999 certain Coins were excavated at Akkurugoda. Professor Iravatham Mahathevan has placed their time as before 2200 years. Professors Osmund Bope Arachchi and Raja Wickremasinghe have pointed out the “in” or “na’ sound as suffix to the names mentioned in the Coins which is peculiar to Tamil language. I am Wigneswaran. The name ends with “in” or “na”. This is peculiar to Tamil names. Some names on the Coins were Uthiran, Mahasaathan and Tisapura sada Nagarasan. It is significant that Mahawansa says Dutugemunu had to win over 32 Petty Tamil Kings in the South before meeting Ellalan in Anuradhapura.  Thus Tamils and their language existed 2200 years ago even in the deep South of Sri Lanka. Hence King Devanampiya Tissa could by no stretch of imagination be called Sinhala speaking. There were no Sinhalese at that time nor Sinhala language.

3. At the time Buddhism was introduced into Sri Lanka in the 3rd Century BC, Prakrit and Pali were also introduced. Prakrit was the vernacular language used while Pali was scriptural. Such introduction took place in many countries where Buddhism was introduced in South Asia. While Prakrit was found in inscriptions elsewhere until about 5th Century AD, in Tamil Nadu the language used was essentially Tamil though the influence of Prakrit was at times seen. The unique literature of the Tamils flourished during this time around the birth of the Christian era. The Sangam literature is an example. The Purananooru refers to Poothan Thevanaar of Eelam, which meant Tamil poets from Sri Lanka too contributed to the literature of the Tamils at that stage. Thus Tamilian poets were existent around that period in the North – Eastern Sri Lanka. So were Tamil Kings. Thus it is no wonder that Devanampiya Tissa was a Tamil.

4. The name Theesaan was used not only in respect of Devanampiya Tissa but also with regard to many other kings. The word comes from the Tamil word Thisai – which means direction. One who ruled the area in a particular thisai or direction is what it meant.

5. Mahavansa never referred to any Sinhala King who ruled Anuradhapura. But it referred to Tamil Kings.

Professors Saddhamangala Karunaratna and Ariya Abeysinghe have concluded that even before writings from King Asoka’s period were introduced into this Island the mode of writing from South India had already been introduced here.

Parkar is of opinion after perusing the Tamil inscriptions found in Vavuniya Periya Puliamkulam that such Tamil writing and Tamil names found therein show Tamils lived there before the birth of the Christian Era. Professor Indrapala has referred to Tamils living as a human unit over 2000 years ago by reading the inscriptions found in Vavuniya, Anuradhapura, Ampara and Seruvil. So has Professor Iravatham Mahadevan referred to the presence of Tamils in Sri Lanka over 2000 years ago. Thus the language of Devanampiya Tissa was Tamil.

6. Finally let me refer to some interesting facts. There are no corresponding stories in Bihar nor Bengal nor anywhere else in North India akin to the story of a Lion King called Sinhabahu. There is no reference anywhere in Indian Texts to the exodus of 700 persons who were banished setting out from the shores of India at the corresponding time, and their reaching the shores of Sri Lanka. Hence the Mahawansa story of Vijaya and his 700 followers is a story hatched in Sri Lanka probably by the author of Mahawansa.

Furthermore even if we take Mahawansa as a reliable historical source (which it is not) yet what about the band of 700 Vijaya men marrying 700 Tamil girls from Pandya Kingdom and the settlement of 1000 families who were skilled in 18 professions / occupations?

Why are we not talking about the Pandyan influence on the Sinhalese community?

It is interesting to note that number of Tamil Munis from Madurai who were brought in 300 or 400 years ago to Sri Lanka for Don Juan Dharmapala’s coronation did not go back to Madurai but were given lands here. They married locally and are today the progenitors of many Muni families. I do not want to refer to any particular family name since many such Muni descendants are either known to me or are my dear friends.

I hope I have adequately explained myself. Any further questions from an advanced historical perspective must be addressed to our Professors both in the North and South. I mean real Professors not the pseudo ones! 

*Justice C.V.Wigneswaran – Chief Minister, Northern Province

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    Thank you Mr Wigneswaran

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      Someone should give a Babel Fish to Wigneswaran to put in his ear.

      Wigneswaran’s and many other jokers’ stupid attempt to promote Tamil Homeland Concept in Sri Lanka and this absurd claim of Devanampiyatissa to be a Tamil king have already been proved to be a puff by Professor Peter Shalk, former Chair Professor of History of Religions, especially Hinduism and Buddhism, at Uppsala University. (courtesy “Divaina”)

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        Champa, Devanampiya is a Tamil word meaning God believer. Can you name any other language which has this word in its vocabulary. His father’s name is mootha Siva meaning elder Siva another Tamil word. This shows that there was no Sinhala at that time. It is the view of linguists in the world that at one time every one in the world spoke either Tamil or something like Tamil. This rule applies to Srilanka also. When Dravidians were ethnically cleansed from Indus valley, they moved south to settle down about 10,000 years ago. At that time Srilanka and Tamil Nadu were a single land mass to be separated later by sea upheaval. Originally all Dravidians were Tamils, to separate later developing their own language and culture, as described in the article. Discovery of urn burial sites in north and north western parts (latest in Galewela in Kurunegala district), and pottery in northern main land similar to those found in Tamil Nadu proves that the same people lived in both sides of the divide. Recent discovery of 10,000 years old civilisation in Settikulam (subject to carbon dating) which is certainly not Sinhala one, seals the issue about the past. While there are stone inscriptions in Tamil unearthed dating back to over 2000 years both in north and east. the earliest stone inscription in Sinhala is only 1300 years old. This proves that Sinhala language and culture had evolved from Tamil language and culture at the same time as Malayalam Similarity between Sinhala and Malayalam scripts throws a light on this matter.

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          Devanampiya is a title moron. It is mentioned in Pali as Devana Piya and it was used by King Ashok in India as well. Could these Tamils have some basic understanding of history and then talk about history?
          There is no one called Mootha Siva, it is Mutasiva and Mutasiva’s father is Gotabhaya. Do you know any Gotabhaya’s among Tamils? I know one in Sinhala ( infact many) and tamils fear one of them a lot.

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            sach the very stupid

            “Devanampiya is a title moron. It is mentioned in Pali as Devana Piya and it was used by King Ashok in India as well. “

            Could you let us have the reference to inscription that confirms the above?

            Was it your old boy friend Mapitigama Bithararakkitha told you about Devanam Tissa, Asoka, ….?

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              Are you talking about history of Sri Lanka even without knowing that?
              Get a book on inscriptions in Sri Lanka and read it bugger. There is a full book maintained on inscriptions of SL since the days of British. Every inscription in SL is recorded in it.

              King Ashoka has Devana piya as title, every one who has a little knowledge on history of India knows this.

              Get a book and read. Between why do you worry so much and start itching when a stupid one like I comment? Because you cannot tolerate what I say?

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                sach

                “Get a book on inscriptions in Sri Lanka and read it bugger. There is a full book maintained on inscriptions of SL since the days of British. Every inscription in SL is recorded in it.”

                Could we have the details of the book.

                If you can’t remember the details fine. Its got to do with your age. This is the age when you should be able to find your padikkam with some difficulty. It must be a tedious experience for asking the same questions and get same answers of which you neither understand nor remember.

                Don’t you think its high time you retired from this forum?

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          Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam
          Your rigmarole gave me a good laugh. Show me the proof. Other than you presumably trying in vain to justify Wigneswaran’s stupid attempt to change the history of Sinhale, you have no proof at all. Your other attempt to change the ancient geography is also super hilarious.
          .
          No problem, I claim King Asoka is a Sinhalese king who went to India because Asoka is a Sinhalese name. Meaning “No Shoka” (sorrow). In English, it means “The Great”. His father’s name Bindusara is also a Sinhalese name. Your own fiction of Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu to be one land further proves that King Asoka is a Sinhalese king who reined in India.
          Show me one inscription in Tamil. Brahmi is not a language. It is a Code and it can be translated into any language. Go get a life man.

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          Hey Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam
          .
          Our Sinhalese King Devanampiya Tissa had 9 siblings. In other words King Mutaseeva had 10 sons. Please educate me. What are their names, Tamil names, I mean.
          .
          Tell me how King Devanampiya Tissa’s brothers Uttiya, Mahasiva, Asela are not Tamils and only Devanampiya Tissa was Tamil?
          And the Provincial King Mahanaga of Ruhuna who was King Devanampiya Tissa’s second brother and Anula, were they also Tamils?
          .
          Sinhalese King Devanampiya Tissa was his father King Mutaseeva’s second son. What happened to his first son? Explain.
          His name is not only Devanampiya. his full name is Devanampiya Tissa. Why did you drop Tissa? The meaning of his name is “Deviyanta Priya Tissa” – “Tissa, who is dear to Gods.” He said to have believed in Gods prior to his conversion to Buddhism which occurred with the arrival of Arhat Mahinda. When he first saw Mahinda on the rock, the King had thought it was one of Yakkas who have supernatural abilities. Hey, Gnana, (Mihinthalawa) Mihintale’s other name was Ambasthalawa. Is it also a Tamil name?
          .
          Sinhalese King Devanampiya Tissa built a tank called Tissa Wewa and a pagoda called Thuparamaya. If he was a Tamil King, what are the Tamil names of the Tank and the Pagoda?
          Man, at least make your lies believable! (Quote by Bond Commission).

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          Gnana,

          I have no problem with you saying all this, but I’m not wasting my time researching to find out how accurate it is.

          *

          The past cannot be changed; we can determine a future that is better than the past.

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            Sinhala_Man,
            Singhalese govts of the past did not do the right thing and present does not want do the right thing.
            “we can”
            We Tamils are trying determine that future from 1948. May be a bit earlier than that.

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            Panini, it is the racist stand of the Sinhalese that they are the sole owners and rulers of the entire island that has given rise to this conflict. While history written by Sinhalese favour the Sinhalese, the modern scientific discoveries have thrown a light on the truth. Yes let us forget the past and move on. It is the Sinhalese who are not willing to do that by refusing to share power and territory with Tamils in a fair manner. When Sinhala racists make claims which are not true, do you want Tamils to keep quiet and accept these lies. Your statement that you do not want to waste time to research and find out how accurate it is, contradicts the search for the truth embarked by Lord Buddha. Without granting the just rights of Tamils, how can you determine a future better than the past.

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          Dr. Gnana S

          You write “it is the view of linguists in the world that at one time everyone in the world spoke Tamil or something like Tamil” As a
          Tamil, it will make me very happy if this was indeed so. I am not doubting your statement. But, if you qualify this with the identification of linguists of
          established reputation, references etc., you will be doing a very useful service in a discussion of much import. Of course, I am aware – and indeed very pleased – Tamil has recently been classified by expert international bodies as more antique than Hebrew, Chinese and other old languages – as the oldest in the history of the world.

          I might add when I visited Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa some years ago, I was pleased to see hundreds of stone carvings in the area – in old Tamil. When I went there a few years later most of these were missing. Notorious pseudo-Buddhist politicos – at least one now enjoying high Cabinet ministerial status are said to be behind the crime of removing all traces of Tamil influence in the A’pura/Polonnaruwa areas – to fit into their political agendas. Soon honourable and eminent experts like Prof. Sudarshan Seneviratne, Shiran Deraniyagala will be no more. We will soon have men who are makers of instant-history. These twits and twerps will gladly produce material that will dwarf the Mahawansa fancies to satisfy their pay masters.

          R. Varathan

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            R. Varathan

            I understand your concerns. On the one hand racists are actively pursuing a policy destruction of historical evidences on the other trade in antiquity is increasing. Generally the country does not seem to give two hoot about it.

            Prof Gananath Obeysekere once wrote the poorly paid monks at the rural Vihares have been selling old ola manuscripts to tourists.

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              Native V – Thanks. I enjoy your regular interventions – spiced with humour, Satire and facts.

              Don’t you think we are wasting time with those who have eyes and yet refuse to see? The only advantage our Sinhala friends have is the 75/15-20 factor in their favour – in terms of population numbers. And, of late, the army as well.
              It is similar obstinacy they held on to with regard to the Language Parity and Citizenship issues. On both the international community often reminded GoSL they are on losing ground. The fear of even the liberal Sinhala leaders, including the leftists, was the Buddhist hierarchy. It is the same – today. On both issues I refer to, they had to yield to reason- after dilly-dallying for nearly 4 decades. They fool themselves they had to give in because of India’s pressure. Drumsticks!!!! Soon, when the economic tsunami explodes on their face they will give in to the reasonable demands of the
              Tamils.

              R. Varathan

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        Eelam tamil patriot the pathetic

        Excellent
        Thanks for keeping it brief.
        Keep up the good work.

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      Devanampiya Tissa is not a Tamil Saivaite name. I think Wigneswaran should google and read the article,

      “Early Inhabitants and the rulers of the island Sinhaladvipa/Sinhale were Saivaite Tamils”

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        Early inhabitants in the island of Sinhaladvipa were Tamils :D ..lets call Sri Lanka as Sinhaladvipa and solve the Tamils problem

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          sach the stupid

          It is not a Tamils problem hiowever its a Sinhala/Buddhist problem imposed on rest of the people. As a result Sinhala and Tamil speaking people have been suffering in this island for 70 years in the hands of the Sinhala/Buddhist fascists. You are one of them.

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            The people in SL suffer due to Tamil Nazism. Tamil politicians and ultra racists want to snatch away the Sinhala peoples’ right as the founding civilisation of this country. The Sinhalese simply fought back.

            The problem in SL is Tamil racists reluctancy to accept the legitimate right of the Sinhala civilisation in SL

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              sach the stupid fascist

              “The people in SL suffer due to Tamil Nazism.”

              What are the similarities and differences between Nazism and Fascism?

              “Tamil politicians and ultra racists want to snatch away the Sinhala peoples’ right as the founding civilisation of this country.”

              There was civilisation before Vijaya’s Kallathonie arrived in this island.

              “The problem in SL is Tamil racists reluctancy to accept the legitimate right of the Sinhala civilisation in SL”

              Actually Sinhala speaking people along with others should fight the minority Sinhala/Buddhist fascists for their rights, in other words they have to fight you, Champa, Shenali, Shenali Waduge, somass, Hela, … Champika, Wimal Sangili Karuppan, Dayan, …………………………………Dr Gota (DSc) …..

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                The only fascists in SL and in South Asia are Tamils. Tamils are inherently racist and fascist.

                Your own CM says Vijaya story is bullsh1t and many tamils say that. And now you are saying there was a civilisation before vijaya comes. What is correct? I think you Tamil ultra racists should come together and first agree on a single story. It is hilarious when CM says one thing and his stupid supporters says a complete different thing.

                Actually we are not fighting as we should be. And when we actually start you will not have a place to hide.

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              Such the stupid racist. Tamils never denied the legitimate right of the Sinhala civilisation in SL. Tamils are contesting the illegitimate claims of Sinhala racists to the ancient civilisation. Sinhala civilisation in SL is only 1300 years old as the first stone inscription found in Sinhala dates to 7th century AD. In contrast stone inscriptions in Tamil have been found in north and east of SL dating back to 2000 years. Recent accidental finding of a civilisation dating back over 10000 years throws into question about the claims of Sinhala racists as the founding civilisation in SL. This was the same in India when Aryans claimed that they were the founding civilisation in India, until the discovery of Indus valley civilisation which blew them away. I challenge the government of SL, that if they are honest to carry out extensive archaeological surveys with modern equipment with support of internationally famous archaeologists to fine out the truth about the past of SL and the part played by Dravidians (At the start all of them were Tamils), in being the founders of civilisation in SL

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            In Sinhala homeland it is Sinhala that is imposed. It is legitimate and right

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              sach the stupid

              Of course you are free to impose Sinhala in Sinhala land. First you will have to find your Sinhala land then impose it.

              This is Veddah land, where my ancestors let your kallathonies ancestors live in this land out of generosity and treated them with compassion hoped your ancestors understood what was expected of them.

              What we see here is the opposite, an ungrateful tiny minority won’t live their live and won’t let rest of the people live. Some descendants of Kallathonie have massive problem. The problem is you.

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                Unlike you, we are lucky to be born in our homeland. It is this island which our ancestors built their civilisation in which is OUR HOMELAND. And we will never ever let kallathonies to take it, we destroyed not once but several times who tried to steal it from us.

                You are not a Vaddha. Get real. You are a racist Tamil. And Vaddhas our relations. Vaddhas are the Sinhalese who stayed in the jungle. Ancient Sinhala kings had Vaddhas fighting with them against Tamil kallathonies

                Who is the minority idiot? Do you think only a minority exist like me? LOL

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                  sach

                  “Who is the minority idiot? Do you think only a minority exist like me?”

                  You are member of twisted Sinhala/Buddhist fascist ghetto building minority. Don’t tell me who I am, you think you know who you are but I know who I am.

                  “LOL”
                  – Lots of Love.
                  No thanks. I am fine.

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            stupid vedda
            Compare Tamils of SL to US minority Blacks.

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        And you are no Suntheraligam but a Sinhala Banda. Whom are you trying to fool? The kings father is Mootha Sivan and this is a pure Tamil name

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          Mutasiva’s father’s name is Gotabhaya which is a sinhala name you all are aware of that

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            There was no Sinhalese 2300 years ago. Go and tell these fairy tales to someone else. Even your so called Sinhalese hero Duttgemunu ( sic there were no Sinhalese 2300 years ago) had a father with a Tamil name/title. Kakkai Vanna Thesan or Kaavan Theesan. The former meaning the king or great man the colour of the crown basically meaning the black king . Aryans are not black or dark skinned. They are white or light skinned. Kaavan means the guard or guardian , A title given to a king Kaavalan. Just like the verse in Thirukkural” Kaavalam Kaavan Enin” Kaavan Theesan means the great man who guards or the Great King. He was a Tamil Naga. The so called Dutugemunu was also a Buddhist Tamil Naga and this ware was a dynastic war between the newly converted Buddhists down south and the established Hindu Tamil establishment ruling the Anuradhapura. Now Sinhalese racists have twisted this to a war between Sinhalese and Tamils, when there were no such people called Sinhalese existing 2300 years ago. They were evolving as a people from the converted(Buddhist ) Tamil or semi Tamil Elu speaking Dravidian Naga and Yakka tribes and immigrants from India.

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              I dont think we Sinhalese are Aryans. Actually who are Aryans? Aryan Dravidian are not races but language families. I think tamil idiots like you need to first learn that.

              And again like Wiggie this bugger is also self destructing the Tamil eelam history. You cannot create a NON EXISTING history in SL by adding an M or N at the end of a Sinhala person’s name. Old Sinhala inscriptions are found at least from 3 BC and Sinhala kings have been established already. It is a historical fact.

              And if you say we Sinhalese have Tamil origins which is the only conclusion one can get if we are to treat Wiggie and your rhetoric seriously, the tamil homeland and eelam concepts are easily debunked.

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            King Mutta Sivan’s father was not Gotabhaya but King Panduvasudeva. Legend says he is Prince Vijaya’s brother’s son ,as Prince Vijaya and his Tamil Pandian princess wife never had any sons. However this is now disputed as the name/title Pandu means Pandian and he is a price of Pandian origin. Many kings who ruled Anuradhapura had the Dravidian Naga( Tamil) title Tissa ( Theesan in Tamil) as their suffix. These were many of such titles and this excludes the Tamil kings who ruled from Anuradhapura. It Is King Kaavan Theesan’s father who was Gotabaya and not King Mutta Sivan’s. Both Mutta Sivan and Kaavan Theesan are pure Tamil names/titles. Get your facts correct and do not lie

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              There is NOT A SINGLE TAMIL in TAMIL NADU with a name called ‘Thissa’. It is a sinhala name. I challenge you to find evidence of existence of a single Thissa in Tamil Nadu or in its history.
              Mutasiva’s father or one of his close relative is Gotabaya.

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            scah,

            Who says that Gotabahla, Kavan Tissa etc are Sinhala names?

            Are Fernandos,, Silvas, Pereras, Rodrigues, Almeidas, Don JuaN, Cooreys , Dias,, Dudley, Ashley, Alwis, Mendis etc are Sinhala names as well?

            They are Tamil, Portuguese, Dutch,and English names, generally called Para-names. adopted by the evolving Sinhala, but the base is Tamil, Pali, Prakrit and Sankskrit.

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              Amarasiri, What about the Tamil ‘Fernandos, Cookes, Pauls, Watsons, etc, etc,’? Are they Tamil names as well?

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                Hamlet,

                The way Amarasiri looks at it, who originally came up with the names. Of course the Tamils and Sinhala have adopted these names and made them to be pseudo-Tamil and pseudo-Sinhala names.

                Portuguese Names:
                Example: Fernando = Pranando, in Sinhala etc.
                Fernando =Fernando-pulle in Tamil etc.

                There are 1,600 Portuguese words in Sinhala, and do not know how many in Tamil.

                Spanish has 8,000 Arabic words.

                So, the Sinhala and Tamils are not Portuguese and the Spanish are not Arabs.

                Is Kavan-Tissa a pseudo-Sinhala name, of an original Dravidian name? This is the long discussion. here.

                In any case , they, Sinhala and Tamils are Paras in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

                Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people: their relations within the island and with the Indian subcontinental populations

                https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2013112

                Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

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        T. Sundaralingam

        The first ape was a Tamil/Saitvaite.

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      Dear Mr. S. W. Wanigeswaran.

      RE: My explanation To The Devanampiya Tissa Controversy

      (Part A- 296 words)

      Thanks for a well-written write up on The Devanampiya Tissa Controversy between the Para-Tamils and Para-Sinhala.

      Was Devanampiya Tissa, a Tamil King, A Dravidian King, a Malabar King, Bengali King or a Sinhala King?

      The Devanampiya Tissa was a Paradeshi, Para-King, in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

      Amarasiri will give you several references, and if available, URL links.
      Ceylon: an account of the island, Volume 1

      Sir James Emerson Tennent
      Longman, Green, Longman, and Roberts, 1860 – History

      What the references tell you need to be interpreted using the modern molecular biology and genetics data, that shows that ONLY the Native Veddha Aethho (Aetto) are natives in the land of native Veddha Aethho, and ALL others are Praradeshis, Paras, foreigners. Genetics data is most definitive. The bulk of the Para-Sinhala, just like the Para-Tamils are from South India. Any subsequent beliefs , such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity or Islam, do not change this fact, just the same way whatever the Greeks or the Church believed in the Geocentric, Earth centric Solar System model.

      A rational person, a person with common senses, must accept the truth, if supported by observation and repeatable confirmed data, however bitter it may be to their beliefs, myths or hypothesis.

      https://books.google.com/books/about/Ceylon.html?id=1ptHAAAAMAAJ

      Singhalese

      https://books.google.com/books?id=1ptHAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA327&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

      Mahawamso

      https://books.google.com/books?id=1ptHAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA314&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

      Mahawamsa –An Insult o the Buddha
      https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/mahavamsa-an-insult-to-the-buddha/

      Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people: Their relations within the island and with the Indian subcontinental populations

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258335458_Mitochondrial_DNA_history_of_Sri_Lankan_ethnic_people_Their_relations_within_the_island_and_with_the_Indian_subcontinental_populations

      Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

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      Dear Mr. S. W. Wanigeswaran.

      RE: My explanation To The Devanampiya Tissa Controversy

      (286 Words)
      Part B: Who are the Native Veddah Aethho, Nagas, Yakkas, Sinhala, Sri Lankan Tamils and the Bengali-Kalingas?

      Thanks. Your narrative and arguments make sense, because it is generally supported by the geological, historical, linguistic and DNA, genetic studies.
      Amarasiri’s understanding and interpretation is as given below.

      1. The Native Veddah Aethho (Aetto) walked to claim the Land, called the Land of Native Veddah Aethho, between 8,000 and 30,000 years ago, when the sea levels were low during the last ice age, and they were travelers through India. They have a different genetic markers compared to the others, the Paras, in the Land. All others are referred to as Paras, because they came AFTER the Aethho, and came illegally, weather by walking, wading through the water or by boats.

      2. The question of the ORIGIN of NAGAS, cobra worshippers, who were mostly in the North and the YAKKAS, the devil worshippers, who were in the other parts of the Land, can be ascertained, ASSUMING THAT they came from South India, AFTER THE VEDDAH AETHHO, and comprised the “Natives” at the time of the arrival of the Bengali-Kalingas. This ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT, because, modern DNA-Genetic studies confirm that Sinhala and Sri Lankan Tamils are of the same generic stock, and resembles South Indians.

      https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2013112

      Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

      The Veddah Tribe

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f89NuukY32U&t=59s

      Tamil-speaking Veddas of Vaharai await war recovery support

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeFCuZwexRw

      Please See Part C.

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      Dear Mr. S. W. Wanigeswaran.

      RE: My explanation To The Devanampiya Tissa Controversy
      (297 Words)

      Part C: Who are the Native Veddah Aethho, Nagas, Yakkas, Sinhala, Sri Lankan Tamils and the Bengali-Kalingas?

      3. The DNA and genetics of Native Veddah Aethho is different and distanced from that of Sinhala and Sri Lankan Tamils. Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

      4. The arrival of the Bengalis around 500 BC, brought with them agriculture and farming techniques. However, they were the overloads, and the kings had to come from the Bengali or Royal South Indian stock, as the Nagas and Yakkas were considered primitive.

      5. The arrival of the Bengalis, and the subjugation of the Nagas and Yakkas, further pushed the Natïve Veddah Aethho into remote areas, and lived in isolation, with very little mixing with the Nagas and the Yakkas. The alternative hypothesis is that the Nagas and Yakkas are in fact Native Veddah Aethho, who were decimated by the Bengali invaders just like the Spanish did to the natives in the New World. It is the DNA Genetics data, that is definitive in answering this question.

      It is the DNA-Generics, that definitely proved that Homo Sapiens with 46 chromosomes evolved from primates with 48 chromosomes. Similarly, Para-Sinhala and Para-Sri Lankan Tamils are of the same generic stocked South Indians, and South India is their homeland.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk&t=3s

      Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. Let’s talk about South Indians, Para-Sinhala and Para-Tamils, generically. Yes. Tissa was Tamil, Dravidian, Malabar, Demala, so are all the Sinhala.

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    He contradicts himself in many places. I just wish to point out only a one instance. Wiggie says that the story of Vijaya is hatched. So, does that imply wiggie believes that Sinhalese are born in Sri Lanka and not in India? Does wiggie believes that Sinhalese are the true sons of the soil?

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      Shenal,

      You may find this useful.
      “I think we have wasted our time with the Aryans of Greece and Rome and even India, owing to the indiscretions of Dr.Mendis and the imperfections of Professor Pakeman. I have also spent much of your time in taking up cudgels on behalf of the indigenous Dravidians, whose contribution to the civilization of the world, nobody seems to know or cares to know. However, let us now come to Mother Lanka and examine once more the period prior to the introduction of Buddhism, in order only to find out whether the so-called Aryans ever came to Ceylon. The history of Ceylon really commences with the reign of Devanambiya Tissa and the conversion of Ceylon to Buddhist faith, and one of the event preceding this is the legend of Vijaya’s arrival to Ceylon. Whether this legend is purely mythical or has a kernel of truth in it must be carefully examined. For this purpose, I think we should consult Mr. Codrington, whose ‘Short History of Ceylon’ is an excellent book, for he clearly shows signs, unlike Dr. Mendis and Prof. Pakeman, of being an impartial historian without any axes to grind. He himself doubts the history of Vijaya and raises the following points to indicate its improbability. (I am quoting his words):-
      “There is no mention of the Kuweni legend in the oldest chronicle, the Dipawansa.”
      http://www.sangam.org/2011/11/Aryan_Theory_4.php?print=true

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        No one can guarantee for sure that Tamils did indeed live in Sri Lanka before the advent of Sinhalese people. It is just a speculation based on some pottery findings and urn burial sites. However, would you conceive the idea that the ancestors of the Sinhalese could be of Tamil origin? Would you contemplate the idea that Sinhalese was conceived in the island of Sri Lanka. These are the important questions. Not did Aryans actually came? Who is Vijaya? Was his father a lion and so on.

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          There is NO evidence to support tamil settlements prior to 13 AD

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            Can the bu++ hurt tamils who unliked this tell me those evidence?

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              sach

              “Can the bu++ hurt tamils who unliked this tell me those evidence?”

              Can the first ape Sinhala/Buddhist fascists give us some evidence to support their claim, whatever it is?

              We do not need prove of your stupidity bordering on insanity as it is evident here.

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                Sinhala Buddhists what claim idiot? Tell me what claim?

                LOL I know my comments hurt tamil racists like you and by calling me stupid you display that. I enjoy the fact that Tamils are hurt by what I say.

                The established history says there is no evidence for Tamil settlements prior to 13 AD. For more information ask from K.Indrapala

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          And you speculate on a fable. Just look at the Sinhalese language and the Sinhalese people. What is the Sinhalese language? A mongrel language that is basically Tamil that has got heavily mixed up with the Prakrit Pali and Sanskrit of Buddhism. Out these languages only Tamil belongs to the region , the rest belong to the plains of North India. Therefore how can this mongrel language be truly indigenous and native. It only came into existence from the 8Th century AD onwards. So what was the language of the people before that? Take the Tamil element out of Sinhalese no Sinhalese. Only Pali and Sanskrit belonging to North India. Sinhalese grammar syntax lexicon and alphabet all derived 100% from Tamil. Not North Indian Pali or Sanskrit. Sinhalese people DNA 70% Indian Tamil. 50% of the present day Sinhalese and this includes your Karawa community are purely descended from recent Indian Tamil immigrants. Whom are you trying to fool. The native language of the island was Elu which is a simple Dravidian semi Tamil dialect. No wonder Sinhalese vocabulary is still 40% Tamil , despite deliberate attempts to Sanskritise it.

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            Well, it was K.Indrapala a Tamil Historian who said that there was no tamil settelments in SL prior to 13 AD. In fact that is the established history. If there is any evidence for a widespread tamil settlements in SL prior to that please give me. And publish a research paper. Cos there is NONE

            Go and check James Gair’s research work. An expert on Sinhala and other south asian language. He has done immense research on Sinhala and stated Sinhala is one of the most interesting a unique langauge in South Asia which is as old as 3 BC. And unlike Tamil which is very unpleasant to the ear, it is a very pleasing language.

            What is a mongrel language? Is there any such type that linguistic experts have identified? What is that?

            There is no Sanskrit in Buddhism. It is Pali., We are very proud of our Pali heritage and we have been the centre of Pali literature in the ancient world. In fact our Sinhala scholars have worked on Pali literature very much. And regrettably a very unpleasant langauge like Tamil too has influenced our beautiful language because we lived next to those fascists.

            Tamil has a lot of words from English, Portugese, Sanskrit, etc ect. Is that what you call a mongrel language?

            Sinhala came into existence in 3 BC. It is called Old Sinhala. Just check the research by Linguistic experts, not failed judges.

            I love to take Tamil element not only from Sinhala but Sri lanka as well. Lets do it together.

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              sach the stupid

              “Well, it was K.Indrapala a Tamil Historian who said that there was no tamil settelments in SL prior to 13 AD.”

              Could you cite your reference.

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            If Sinhalese alphabet is derived from Tamil why the hell there is no letter in Tamil for a and aa sound (like in hat and bad)? Why do you Tamils struggle to pronounce a word when it has h in the middle? Deficiency in your langauge and your inability to pronounce a word like a normal human even resulted in many Tamils losing lives in 83. Remember. Pana vs Pena.

            Who cares which karawa descended from which tribals in SI. What is important to us is they are Sinhalese today. One day your own children or relatives in SL can become Sinhala. We will help them. See we dont care about low caste idiots.

            What has DNA got to do with languages? You have no idea about it right? What DNA does an English speaker in England who has roots in Pakistan have? Does it matter at all?

            I am not trying to fool anyone, I am making fun of fools like you

            Sinhala vocab still 40%. really? What do you think we should do? Give a rat’s a$$?

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      Shenali

      Irrespective of whatever C V Wigneshwaran thinks/believes/says/ …………..about Vijaya scientifically proven fact remains that ancestor’s of Sinhalaese and Tamils came from South India.

      Often discussed in this forum where Amarasiri takes great pain to furnish you with research evidence.

      Go ask Shenali, the mother of all bigots what she still thinks about the kallathonies.

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        Who cares about the ancestors. Sinhalese didn’t come from India. Don’t you agree?

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          Shenal ……get this tight …SINHALESE DID COME FRO INDIA. SINHALA LANGUAGE IS A HYBRID LANGUAGE
          We all know you are in self denial….and you simply cant accept the facts

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            Wiggie says Sinhalese language was developed in 6th century hence, the Sinhala nation. The period before 6th century to be a Tamil one just because there was not Sinhala language. So do you challenge him also?

            If, Sinhalese came from India; where did they come from? Where is the place Sinhalese came from? Don’t bring the Vijaya story as you people don’t believe in bogus story of Mahavamsa.

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            what do you mean by hybrid language? What is Tamil? Does not tamil have English, Sanskrit, Portugese origin words? Does that mean Tamil is a hybrid language?
            Can any linguistic expert tell me what a hybrid language means? Does such a term even exist? This is the first time I heard it.

            Sinhalese did not come from India. There is no evidence to suggest it. Sinhalese have lived in SL since time immemorial.There is evidence to suggest it. So we can confidently say Sinhalese civilisation, sinhala nation emerged in Sri Lanka.

            Once Tamil Nadu CM, Karunanidhi said Jesus spoke tamil on the cross. I remember DBS.Jeyaraj the veteran tamil journalist shared a similar article.

            Normally any sane person would take a hearty laugh at Tamils’ mythomania and extreme stupidity and despise the ultra tamil nationalism. But we Sinhalese are NOT in that position since we actually live with them. There is a problem of Tamil mytho mania where Tamil politicians invent history and myths to suit their Tamil nationalist agenda. CM Wigneshwaran is similar to that. There is an extreme dearth of knowledge on Sri Lankan history, world history and history of languages among Tamil and they seem not wanting to educate themselves on it as well.

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          Shenal,

          “Sinhalese didn’t come from India. Don’t you agree?’

          No. They came from South India.

          Did the English come from Germany? Is English a Germanic Language?

          Actually, Sinhalese, like the other Paras, came from Africa. On the way, they did dwell for quite some time in South India, and therefore many claim that the Para-Sinhala and Pata-Tamils, and the came to the Land of Native Veddah Aethho (Aetto), just like their cousins Para-Tamils by illegal boats, hora-oru, kalla-thonis, AFTER the Native Veddah Aethho have been living in the pristine land for millennia.

          The evidence is there in their Para genetics compared to the Native Vedfdah Aethho.

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            yes the ancesters of Sinhala people came to SL from Africa just like ancestors of every other ethnicity came to their people. But it is only in this island we developed as a nation under the banner of Sinhala for millenias

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            Amarasiri,

            English didn’t come from Germany. But their ancestors did. Sinhalese can draw parallels with their British counterparts for they came to being.

            English is indeed a Germanic language.

            So did Veddha atto come from Mars? Their are no natives if we take this discussion back to African origins. All of us humans can trace our ancestry back to Ethiopia.

            And don’t even try to create a bogus history of Veddha’s also. The first people to settle in Sri Lanka came to this island no later than 50,000 years before the standard age.

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              Dear Shenal,

              “English didn’t come from Germany. But their ancestors did”

              They, the Germanic Tribes, brought Old English as well as their Germanic Genes. The English are Germanic, so are the Scandinavians, except the Finns.

              However, for the Sinhala, before the advent of the Bengalis, in 547 BC or so, per the Chronicles, there was no Pali or Prakrit. The so-called Native Tribes, the Nagas and Yakkas, had the same genetics as the South Indians, shown by modern genetics, reference below. Their language was primarily Dravidian, but they were NOT as well developed and advanced as the Bengalis newcomers in Agriculture.

              Were they , the Nagas and Yakkas, the ancestors of the Veddah? No, because modern genetics, says that the Veddah Aethho (Aetto) are separate. Just read the Parts A, B and C from Amarasiri to Mr. Wanigeswaran.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

              See map below. (A similar map may be drawn for Sri Lanka and South India ( Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andra Karanataka,)

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#/media/File:Old_norse,_ca_900.PNG

              English has developed over the course of more than 1,400 years. The earliest forms of English, a set of Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Great Britain by Anglo-Saxon settlers in the 5th century, are called Old English. Middle English began in the late 11th century with the Norman conquest of England, and was a period in which the language was influenced by French. Early Modern English began in the late 15th century with the introduction of the printing press to London and the King James Bible, and the start of the Great Vowel Shift.

              https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2013112

              Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

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          Shenali, it is the view of anthropologists that the indigenous people of Srilanka are the Veddhas who are genetically similar to Adhivasis of Tamil Nadu, Aborigines of Andhaman and Orang Asli of Malaysia. They have ruled out any other ethnic group to be the original people in Srilanka,. Recent discovery of artefacts in Balangoda shows that those people are genetically similar to Veddhas and their stone and iron utensils are similar to that found in Africa. So this crap about Yakka, Naga, Deva and Rakshasha people in Srilanka is not true. The two recent genetic studies conducted by Sinhala scholars found that core genetic material of all tested was South Indian proving that all came from there and are not natives. Aryan theory of Sinhala racists has been blown off as none of the Sinhalese had the typical Aryan gene. Also the Bengali ancestry attributed to Vijaya story is also in serious doubt as Bengali genetic input in Tamils is higher (29%) than in Sinhalese (26%). The claim that Sinhalese descended from Veddhas is also thrown out as in the these genetic studies it is proved that Sinhalese had no genetic affinity with Veddhas, although there is Veddha genetic input in both Sinhalese (9%) and Tamils (6%). In fact these studies revealed that Sinhalese are more genetically connected to Tamils in Tamil Nadu than the genetic connection between Tamils in Srilanka and Tamils in Tamil Nadu. These are undeniable scientific truths unlike the cockeyed Mahavamsa concoctions.

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            Do you think what you write here has any meaning? Does it even support the agenda you want to succeed?
            Where does it says Adi vasis in TN are genetically similar to Adivasis in SL?
            And what does it prove?
            That there was a Tamil civilisation in SL?

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              Sach such a stupid. Wait for the results of the recently excavated ancient civilisation in Settikulam supposed to be over 10,000 years old. You will be surprised that it will be similar to the civilisation excavated in Tamil Nadu.

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                LOL I did not hear about it. Could you please give a link? Is it something like that fossilied Wade parcel in Australia?

                And why did naughty TN cousins did not mention about the Tamil bros in SL in their inscriptions?

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                  Sach such a stupid, I pity your ignorance. Type “Settikulam excavations” in Google to find out about it. This has been reported in some Srilanka papers – Sunday Times of 03/10 and Ceylon Today of 08/10. Galweve Wimalakanthi Thero of Bhikku University conducted this archaeological excavations in the village of Kangramkulam in Settikulam. He went in search of old Buddhist remains but stumbled onto this. The Buddhist relics are only 1300 years old while the evidence suggested the presence of people 12000 years ago. Please update your knowledge if you want to take part in this intellectual site..

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                    Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam

                    “Sach such a stupid, I pity your ignorance.”

                    I thank her for being stupid. Without them CT may turns out to be JVP manifesto.

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            Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam,

            “Shenali, the view of the anthropologists that the indigenous people of Sri Lanka, are Veddah who are genetically similar to Adhivasis of Tamil Nadu……”

            The anthropology was the best to available before the advent of molecular biology and genetic testing of the variances of genes. Now the human gene sequences are known.

            However, the definitive testing and proof that the Native Veddah Aethho are the original inhabitants comes from historical data and CONFIRMED by modern molecular biology techniques, by testing the Native Veddah Aethho, Up-country Sinhala, Low-country Sinhala and Sri Lankan Tamils. Except for the Native Veddah Aethho, others were found to be Paras, related to South Indians.

            https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2013112

            Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

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          Shenali the stupid

          ” Sinhalese didn’t come from India. Don’t you agree?”

          For the umpteenth time there is amble evidence to show the Sinhalese are extraterrestrial beings who are said to regenerate themselves originally from the planet Venga. However they seem to have regenerated many times, as Sakyas, Aryas, Sinhabahu (beast and the beauty), Mohenjo Darians, Hela people of Helsinki, Ravana’s descendants, ……………………… recently people of Sinha Le ………………

          They have virtually become time and space travelling people who have enough justification for being all those regenerated people all at the same time.

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            Native Veddah,

            “Ravana’s descendents………………………………..recently people of Sinha Le….”

            Correction

            “Ravana’s descendents………………………………..recently people of Para-Sinha Le….”

            There is Para-genetics data in support of the Para-Sinha Le.

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          But you and 70% of the Sinhalese came from India. Mostly from Tamil Nadu/ Don’t you agree to this too? If Sinhalese did not come from India neither did the Sri Lankan Tamils but we all arrived from Africa . What an idiotic argument from this bigot.

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        Right, when and where did the Parangis (mainly Jews) and Thambis (Muslims) come from? They are the most destructive to Sri Lankan society today, and since independence. Parangis even masquerade as belonging to our Variges (eg, Native Vedda). Sri Lanka can’t progress until we pack these parasites off to where they came from. Vedda go home if you have one somewhere (Canada, Belgium may be) without giving us sin.

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        NV mate why don’t you read the article published in the Guardian 2015 on evolution of Indu Aryan languages, it illustrates the origin of Sinhala via scientific methodology. I know it is inconvenient when science proves something when you would like to believe otherwise, yet I know you can handle it!

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        There is nothing left to prove that ancestors of Sinhala tamils came from India ( not only SI). Because india is in the middle of the path from Africa to Sri Lanka.
        But these ancestors were NOT sinhala when they came to Sri Lanka. They started a civilisation here and evolved a Sinhala identity here. So they are the once who built a civilisation here. But Tamils were tamils when they left the shores in India and did not built anything in Sri Lanka. They were simply traders, invaders, marauders and outsiders. Understand the difference between Sinhalese and Tamils
        Once Tamil Nadu CM, Karunanidhi said Jesus spoke tamil on the cross. I remember DBS.Jeyaraj the veteran tamil journalist shared a similar article. Normally any sane person would take a hearty laugh at Tamils’ mythomania and extreme stupidity and despise the ultra tamil nationalism. But we Sinhalese are NOT in that position since we actually live with them. There is a problem of Tamil mytho mania where Tamil politicians invent history and myths to suit their Tamil nationalist agenda. CM Wigneshwaran is similar to that. There is an extreme dearth of knowledge on Sri Lankan history, world history and history of languages among Tamil and they seem not wanting to educate themselves on it as well.

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      Okay.it’s not hatched. From where then he came from?
      Give the evidence or source please.
      Thanks

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      Shenal,

      100% of the Muslims of Sri Lanka were born in Sri Lanka. If one were to go by your logic, the Muslims are also true sons of the soil!

      Where were you born Shenal? In Mars?

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        So you suggesting that Muslims of Sri Lanka are not native? Do they belong to Saudi Arabia? This kind of bigoted ideas put Sri Lanka in communal tension. People should acknowledge who they are first.

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          Shenal, Shenal, Shenal,

          Yes, the Muslims are native.

          The problem began when you argued that the Sinhalese are the true sons of the soil. This statement of yours, by default, excludes all the others as not true sons of the soil.

          The prophetic leader of the Muslims is from Saudi Arabia. In similar vein, the prophetic leader of the large majority of the Sinhalese (except Dayan Jayatilleka) is from India.

          Just because the Muslims and the Sinhalese swear allegiance to foreign prophets does not mean that they are lesser sons of the soil.

          This foreign prophet thing is nothing new. Just ask Ranil Wickremasinghe, who brought down a foreign prophet from Singapore to head the Central Bank. Arjuna Mahendran shits on our soil and nourishes it. Therefore, he is a true son of the soil of Sri Lanka and possibly a greater son of the soil since he has stopped shitting in Singapore!

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        You very well know we are not talking about the place we were born right? This is about the origin of the nation.

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          sach the very stupid

          “You very well know we are not talking about the place we were born right? This is about the origin of the nation.”

          What is a nation? Could you define it for us.
          The idea of nation originated in later part of 16th century following agreement of Westphalia. The agreement brought to halt most of the European tribal/religious war.

          There is no nation in this island simply because the Sinhala/Buddhist fascists are keep fighting an imagined enemy. In fact the enemy is they themselves.

          If you want to claim a nation you better stop fighting your religious wars against the Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, …..

          By the way the idea of a NATION is a western political concept. You never had the same political ideas before the advent of your colonial masters. It is also imported into this island.

          Until the betrayal of your Radala Sinhalese your ancestors never heard nor knew of democracy, nation, sovereignty, parliament, representative democracy, rule of law, judicial independence, due process of law, citizen’s inalienable rights for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, responsibilities, tyranny of the majority, consent of the governed, equality of opportunity, no taxation without representation, ……………………….

          Less you talk about rights its better for you.

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            Nation is something you are too unlucky not to have.

            Tamil fascists? LOL arent you one? Do you think by trying to equal Tamil fascists with Sinhala nationalists you can help the Tamil fascists?

            Who is fighting any war here idiot?

            We actually had the idea of a nation. Read about the identity of Sinhala nation by Micheal Roberts. Sinhalese are the first to develop the idea of a nation in South Asia. Because as a separate unit from subcontinent we had the geographical reasons to do that.

            And were I talking about democracy or what ever here? Did you read something like that?

            I am for Sinhala rights.

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              sach the stupid

              “Read about the identity of Sinhala nation by Micheal Roberts.”

              Cite the reference, details of his publication. I have access to most of his writing. Don’t give us your usual bull in this forum.

              All what I know is according to Achchige Patali Champika Ranawaka the Sinhalese discovered ZERO and Sinhala language is the oldest next to Hebrew. I “believe” him.

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      Shenali,
      Can’t you read? Sinhalese are Sinhala-speaking Dravidians. They are as much sons of the soil as the Tamil-speaking Dravidians.
      The French are French -speaking Caucasians. The Germans are German-speaking Caucasians.
      Satisfied?

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        old codger,

        Yes, the Sinhala and Tamils are sons of the soil, more correctly Para-sons of the soil. However, the Native Veddah Aethho(Aetto) are Native sons of the soil, unlike the Para-sons of the soil.

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      Vijaya story is a hoax and Sinhalese did not come from any where. Sinhala civilisation is the product of Sri Lanka, the true sons of the soil.

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    You have touched clit…of the Sinhala pride..likes Wadge…..
    wonder what keeps them silent.
    Very valid argument. If Prince Wijeya story were to be true there should be corresponding similar stupid in Bengal, prissy or whatever under fantasy Lang they have come from….marriage story ditto…
    I’m not taking CVS claim as is.
    Going to search myself for any corresponding legends myths …
    But the argument, if the facts are correct, valid.

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    To start off Wigneswaran is no longer a judge so he can’t call himself Justice Wigneswaran, which he knows but prefers to pretend to the world that he is still a judge. What a humbug!what is the object of his article? To deny historical facts by selectively using commentaries taken out of context. If he is honest he should evaluate the entire corpus of historical works on Sei LANKA which denies his narrative that he creates for furthering his own political ends. The man is dishonest and should hounded out of public life.

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    To start off Wigneswaran is no longer a judge so he can’t call himself Justice Wigneswaran, which he knows but prefers to pretend to the world that he is still a judge. What a humbug!what is the object of his article? To deny historical facts by selectively using commentaries taken out of context. If he is honest he should evaluate the entire corpus of historical works on Sei LANKA which denies his narrative that he creates for furthering his own political ends. The man is dishonest and should be hounded out of public life.

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      Percy, If honesty is the criterion, there will be no politicians in Sri Lanka. They all make us laugh- comedians destroying the country.

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      Percy,

      Please counter his arguments with facts deeds than smearing him with your obnoxious vitriol!

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        What is there to counter? I has just stated his opinion without backing it with any factual or forensic evidence.

        He says Sinhalese language was born 800 years later than DPT. Great. I could say the Tamils came to Sri Lanka yesterday. There’s nothing to counter argue.

        Like Percy said, his fallacies are even reflected in his signature. He signs off claiming he’s a Justice. He was a former justice but not a current one.

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          Rtd. Lt. Reginald Shamal Perera,
          There is plenty to counter! Judge Wigneswaran has said that the Sinhala language did not exist pre 6th centuries CE; what do you say to that? Can you show with deeds to counter this claim?

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            Modern Sinhala appears by 6 AD. (And there are NO Tamil inscriptions in SL by 6 AD)
            Before 6 AD we had Prakrit which is the forerunner or Old Sinhala.

            First Tamil inscriptions appears after 10 AD.

            Sinhala is the result of the evolution of early Prakrit which existed from earlier times. The oldest Prakrit runs to 3 BC

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          Rtd.Lt.Reginald Shamal Perera…..your name itself suggest that you are hybrid caste.
          are you Reginald or Shamal or Perera….complete sham

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            “Since we have inscriptions in old Sinhala dating from the early second or late third centuries B.C., and by that time the language had aleady undergone important changes that made it distinct from any of the Indo-Aryan langauges of North India” (James W.Gair:1996)

            Can these stupid tamil mytho historians help Wiggie to understand this by the veteran on linguistics?

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          Donkey Shamal Perera

          “Tamils came to Sri Lanka yesterday”

          Oh my gosh I was born in Sri Lanka many years ago and went to school in Sri Lanka, University in Sri Lanka and worked in Sri Lanka!

          Idiot you are have no shame to identify who you are. You have just brought shame to the tittle you hold.

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            There is no shame left in the old man who wrote this article. Read what Shama said. He used it as a metaphor fool.

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        So what are his points?
        His only point is this. Sinhala ‘came’ in 6 AD and Devanampiyathissa lived before 6AD. And hence Devanampiyathissa is Tamil.
        That is his only point.

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      Retired High Court judges are addressed as ‘Justice’ similar to EX-Presidents being referred to as President even after losing an election.
      If justice Wigneswaran has failed to’ evaluate the corpus of historical works’, why not you do it? You appear to know the Srilankan history well irrespective of the fact whether it is FACT or FICTION.

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        K. Anaga,

        Utterly wrong information. No one can claim or can address themselves as “Justice” or “President”. Others can call them with those past honorary positions but they cannot call themselves with those names if they know anything about ethical practices.

        This person is expressing a highly controversial opinion and presenting as proven fact and he’s also calling himself a Justice when he’s clearly not one anymore in an attempt to add credibility to his article.

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          Retired Front Admirable, I am amazed seeing the taming you have gone through by the commentators commenting the past. The monkey that has been jumping in you may be sleeping or no longer possessing you.

          You are questioning the CV as if he is not retired. CV can answer to that, as he had answered here to Rear Admirable, when he gets the point. If questioned, I doubt CV having any reservation of accepting his current situation. He is not just put as CM by the Five TNA parties on the seat; practically by all East and North Tamils, especially to mention Northern Christians religious Leaders, Hindu Leaders and Muslim leaders. He would show what kind of gentleman he is, if approached by any to verify his integrity as he is holding a people-public position.

          While it is being going on, could I ask you a question; from which you got retired to become the Retired Front Admirable? Fighting with Tamils? And Retired on that? Could I expect any gentlemanly reply from you on that?

          A professional is always called by the profession. An accountant may be not employed and not maintaining his professional body’s credential requirements may not describe him as CA, CMA,CPA, but still referred by the same profession “Accountant So and So”. Lawyers Nurses, Doctors…..all become known by their profession for the rest of their life. Some high designation like Prince, Princess, Kings, Village Muthali, Vithanai and Caste jobs like Smiths, Dhobis do not go retired.( Kings may be referred as Ex or dethroned).

          I know judge is a job, for that specific circumstance and at the specific place. Wikipedia refers CV as the Justice not as Ex or retired.

          It is too much interpretation saying that he called him Justice because to make the Weera Kutty Retired Rear Admirable would believe more CV’s answers to his questions, which he publicly raised.

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    Most of us are Kallathonis from India. Our cultures come from there. The Tamils must simply have stepped across the Palk Strait. It is so shallow and is so close.

    The Sinhalese came in drifts. The Karawes came to fish. The Salagamas came to peel cinnamon. The Berawes came to beat drums. The Durawes to tap toddy. The goigamas and their Tamil cousins, the Vellalas exploited everyone and got Brahmins down from India. The goigamas also created the sangha to maintain Buddhism which came from India. Why all this conflict when all our ancestors came from India at different periods of history.

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      Kabaragoya,

      We’re Kandyan Radhala and we are natives of the Kandyan Kingdom. We have nothing to do with the place you call Sri Lanka. We are a nation within a Nation and sooner or later we will demand our independence and rule our Kandyan kingdom the way it was ruled before the colonials.

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        Retd. Reg,
        Oh yes, and your last four Kandyan Kings were Tamils , were they not?

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        Retarded Late Reginald Shemale Perehera……………….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…………………so funny. It is ok to dream old fa$t

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      Kabaragoya you say:-
      “Most of us are Kallathonis from India”
      Don’t you Read and/or Listen and Watch, the Media about the Origin of all Humans? All Humans came to India from somewhere else, after leaving Africa Millions of Years ago! Look at the countries that are Successful! Their People came from the Same Place!
      Why are we arguing about Where we came from in the PAST?
      Talking is Easy!
      Let us Aim to Improve the Living Conditions in the Land that we Live In NOW!

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    actually one of wiggie’s ancestors was devanampiyatissa’s nephew.This can be seen in the family tree kept carefully in wiggie’s house.

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    Ha .. ha..! Even Abraham Lincoln could have been Tamil. His real name : Abaranam Lingam! This bloody fool of a Chief Minister wants to invent a new history! Retired Judge bugger thinks that he knows better than Historians and archaeologists. Go for Evidence you joker! Study history, first before coming out with conclusions. A dangerous fellow expressing utterly racial views.

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      Actually this is not only a Wiggie problem. This is a Tamil mental issue. If you google, you will find following interesting things.
      Jesus spoke tamil, English came from Tamil, Sanskri came from Tamil, Mayans speak Tamil, Korean came from Tamil, Tamil is 100000 years old, I remember one dude actually said Tamil is 500000 years old. Telugu came from Tamil, Kannada came from Tamil, Lemuria Tamil continent, LOL just google, you will entertain a lot.

      Once Tamil Nadu CM, Karunanidhi said Jesus spoke tamil on the cross. I remember DBS.Jeyaraj the veteran tamil journalist shared a similar article. Normally any sane person would take a hearty laugh at Tamils’ mythomania and extreme stupidity and despise the ultra tamil nationalism. But we Sinhalese are NOT in that position since we actually live with them. There is a problem of Tamil mytho mania where Tamil politicians invent history and myths to suit their Tamil nationalist agenda. CM Wigneshwaran is similar to that. There is an extreme dearth of knowledge on Sri Lankan history, world history and history of languages among Tamil and they seem not wanting to educate themselves on it as well.

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        sach the stupid

        The first ape spoke Tamil.
        The first ape spoke Sinhala
        The first ape spoke Hebrew
        The first ape spoke Arabic
        The first ape spoke Latin
        The first ape spoke Aramic
        The first ape spoke espiranto
        ………..
        …………
        …………
        Our own ape which lives here now believes the first ape spoke Sinhala before Hebrew and practiced Sinhala/Buddhism before the awakened one was born, discovered ZERO, and was a geneticist, ….. and another first ape believe it came from Mohenjo-daro.

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          why? were you hurt? Cant you bear the pain?
          Sinhalese never say first ape spoke Sinhala. Sinhala is NOT that old. And no Hebrew, Latin or Arabic speaker says so. Do not try to extend the special Tamil only tamil mytho mania sickness to other language speakers.
          It is a Tamil only sickness which I have named as Tamil mytho mania which invent myths and fantasy history to suit tamil political agendas. It is NOT common with others. So do not try to dilute it

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          calm down Vaddha..were felt ashamed when the Telugus, English, and all other people made fun of Tamil mytho historians in the link I provided? So sorry…it must be really painful to be a racist Tamil and equally lack anything as a heritage…how distressing it must be to you. so sad

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    Goodness People, Why are we arguing about the Past!
    Sri Lanka will never progress while we carry on like this, about a Fictitious Past!
    All the Countries that are Progressive, Look towards the Future, and How to make a better Life for All Their Citizens, not just for Their Bigoted Politicians and Hangers On!
    It does not matter whether Our ‘Ancestors’ were Neanderthals, Homo Sapiens or any New Hominid Species that might Come to Light in the future!
    Isn’t it Time to Think about the Welfare of our ‘Descendants’!

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      Americans value their history immensely. They even force immigrant to learn their 250 or so year history. So, why can’t Sinhalese value their 2500 years old glories history? Besides, learning the history makes one prepared to tackle the future.

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        Shenal,

        Well said. The guys who have only a history of about 250 years force immigrants to learn their history. In Sri Lanka where the Sinhalese have a history of about 2500 years, Chandrika is forcing to change the history books to please the immigrants. Our stupid politicians agree to such requests without questioning.

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      Sri Lanka’s whole issue revolves around the HISTORY. It has nothing to do with minority discrimination. It is about Tamil wanting to snatch away Sinhala peoples’ history and create a myth history to satisfy tamil political agenda

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        Sach, there seems to be something lacking in our Current Education System.
        Most Contributors to these Columns seem unable to argue logically about A Subject. They just jump at any Opinion they disagree with, and counter them with History that was Propounded a long time ago, without questioning its Validity in the Present Day and Age!
        Is this because to Pass exams, one has to be able to reproduce exactly what the Teachers or Lecturers Taught them?
        They are not being taught to Look at the Wider World and Think for themselves!

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    Distorting the history of Sri Lanka began well before the Independence. G. G. Ponnambalam was the first politician to drag the Mahavamsa into the political arena, in the 1930s. He and his supporters began to claim that it is a false document with no historical value, while at other times the names occurring in it were tamilized (e.g., Vijaya → Vijayan, Kasyapa → Kasi-appan etc.) and a Thamizha-vansam was presented. G. G. Ponnambalam’s strong attack on the Mahavamsa and the Sinhalese at a Nawalapitiya meeting in 1939 led to the first Sinhala-Tamil riot. The Tamil lawyers of Colombo led by S. J. V. Chelvanayagam in the 1940s sponsored a project to distort Sri Lankan history. Tamils are very good in cooking up stories and use.Goebbels’ theory to make them true. Mr. Vigneshwaran is carrying forward that tradition.

    “The Ceylon Tamils had no written document on the lines of the Mahavamsa to authenticate their singular and separate historical authority in Sri Lanka, a fact which Ceylon Tamil communalists found very irksome”. (Russel, Jane: Communal Politics under the Donoughmore Constitution, Tisara Prakasakayo, Dehiwala, Sri Lanka, 1982. p.131)

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      Eagle eye the racist, distortion of Srilanka history was started by Bhikku Mahanama.
      In this modern world, do you want us to believe that a male lion can copulate a human female and have a progeny. Do you want us to believe the story about Vijaya and his 700 convicts when there is no corroborative narration either in any Indian history or folklore. Do you want us to believe Buddha hand picked them and made them to land on the day he attained Nibbana. Do you want us to believe that Buddha came flying thrice to Srilanka when there is no evidence that he left his kingdom which spread in the present day Bihar state and parts of Nepal. There is scientific evidence based on Geology, Archaeology, Linguistics and Genetics that the first immigrants to Srilanka are Tamils. who had been living for more than 10.000 years. There is evidence that the first religion to be practiced in Srilanka is Saivaism and this is the reason that Veddhas under Tamil influence worshipped Murugan who is considered the god of Tamils, not worshipped by any others. History is not scientific with myths and lies, and scientific results obtained are contrary to Sinhala claims. Accept the fact that Sinhalese were at one time Tamils who developed their own identity with their language and culture similar to the Malayalees. The fact that in Sinhalese the core genetic material is south Indian, proves this conclusively.

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        Dr. Gnana,

        I think Eagle Eye should read the article “Early Inhabitants and the rulers of the island Sinhaladvipa/Sinhale were Saivaite Tamils” to see who is distorting the history.

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        So you mean a dude distorted the history of SL in 5 AD?
        Are your chola cousins accomplice to that crime? Because in their inscriptions they talk only about a Sinhala kingdom and Sinhala people here. No mention about the adaraneeya tamil bros. booo hooo booo

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        Dear Gnana,

        I find that a novel thought, but I have no problem with it.

        *

        One problem is that if you and I ever meet we will have to speak in English, because I don’t now know any Tamil, whatever my ancestors may have been.

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        The chances are that in your years as a doctor in Sri Lanka, you would have learnt quite a bit of Sinhalese; thanks for that!

        *

        I’m now an Uva villager, but all the ancestors that I’m aware of were from the Galle District – a bit inland, so by most arguments (so unnecessary!) that I have seen, they must have identified as Sinhalese much more than in the case of the average Sri Lankan.

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    Dear Rationalist,

    Agree absolutely with you. I also find the article by C.V. Wigneswaran perfectly acceptable and rational. Perhaps he would in future be well-advised to use only his name. We all know that he was a Justice of the Supreme Court, and it has been used only at the bottom of the article – once. It is preceded by an asterisk. I wonder if it was introduced by Colombo Telegraph.

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    I have also found that lots of retired High Court Judges (e.g. Paranagama who inquired in to disappeared persons, are referred to by OTHERS as “Justice”.

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    We also know that C.V.W. is the Chief Minister of the Northern Province. Therefore let us start calling him by his name, and nothing else.

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    On the question of ancestry, I guess he, too, would have had some who spoke Sinhala as their First Language. How silly my own comment is beginning to sound!

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    However, not half as silly as those of Shenal and Percy. I wonder if they are quite sure that going back to the first Homo Sapien, they had not one ancestor who had Tamil as his/her first language. I’m pretty sure that I would have had some, although, those I am aware of all spoke Sinhala, now Sinhala and some English. I managed to get my eldest child taught some Tamil. The reward: her getting locked up as a Tiger Suicide Bomber.

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    I do know a few, very few Tamil words; I cannot construct a sentence in Tamil. I definitely can handle more French, Latin, Greek and even Arabic words. Does all this balderdash matter?

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      So many of those writing exude certainty about what the Sinhala Language was like 2000 and more years ago. I won’t try to be scholarly writing this in a bus!

      *

      But consider this. How much do we know? I took a look at the Sigiri graffiti. Some of it was later explore me by a Professor. Predictive text on this phone will make naming him difficult.

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      Languages change so much. The oldest English texts date from the 9th Century A.D. It is a different language. Try looking at examples. The Angles and the Saxons brought it. Before that Celtic.

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      Even average Englishmen don’t find Shakespeare’s 420 year English easy – can be understood. Technically that’s Early Modern English.

      *

      There’s politics in all this. It may be that Wiggie has an agenda, but since he’s emphasizing the kinship of Sinhalese and Tamils , that’s fine by me and is the way forward for all of us dark brown fellow.

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    Sinhala or Hela have been on the Island from Day one. Sinhalese originate from Veddas.

    The Veddás of Ceylon and Their Relation to the Neighbouring Tribes: …

    Rudolf Virchow – 1888 –

    Even in case we consider the Veddas to be, as some say, savage Sinhalese, or the Sinhalese to be tame Veddas, as others say;—thus deducing both from one and the same original stock,

    Dr. Sripali Vaiamon
    Pre-Historic Lanka to End of Terrorism 2012
    I stated earlier there were four maior tribal communities in the country viz. Deva, Naga, Yakka and Raksas. Who were also our predecessors. Therefore any purity in the genealogy of anyone in Sri Lanka is a pipe dream.

    SOME NOTES ON FA HIAN’S ACCOUNT OF CEYLON. ( 1888 ) Hugh. Nevill, Ceylon Civil Service.

    I think it is now universally accepted that Nagas were an aboriginal tribe of snake worshippers, and formed, with an infusion of Aryan blood, the bulk of our present Sinhalese.

    Indian Serpent-lore: Or, The Nāgas in Hindu Legend and Art –
    Jean Philippe Vogel – 1926 – ‎
    There is a marked tendency in Buddhist tradition to emphasize and exemplify by many edifying tales the fact that the ancient gods, even Brahma and Sakra, were inferior and subservient to the great Sage of the Sakya tribe. The same applies to the Nagas. The dreaded serpent-demons are generally represented as devout worshippers of the Buddha.

    Using Tamil Nadu History to make sense of Sinhalese in the South and Central highlands who were not conquered until 1815 is ridiculous. People in these parts have carried their history orally, from generation to generation – most of which have nothing to do with Vijaya or Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa. These people are simple rural folk whose beliefs have nothing to do with the Colombo set and their British masters,

    Their traditions go back to Ravana.

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      Niro,

      Sinhalese do not originate from Veddah, based on genetic studies. Neither does the Sun go around a stationary Earth.

      Both Sinhala and Tamils originate from South India, and they should be correctly referred to as Para-Sinhala ad Para-Tamils.

      Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people: Their relations within the island and with the Indian subcontinental populations

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258335458_Mitochondrial_DNA_history_of_Sri_Lankan_ethnic_people_Their_relations_within_the_island_and_with_the_Indian_subcontinental_populations

      Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

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      Niro you say:-
      “Sinhala or Hela have been on the Island from Day One”!

      Now Niro, When was day One?
      My understanding was that Homo Sapiens originated in Africa and Interbred with Neanderthals in what is now Europe, and Other Hominids from Asia, and spread to the rest of the World!
      So why restrict ourselves to this little Island? We are part of a Great Migration, where all of us are Genetically related to Everyone else! AND if you are a Buddhist or Hindu you could believe that you were a Tamil or Sinhalese in a Previous Life!

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    Humans are such tribal shits..especially in these 3rd world countries…develop your minds and just live your lives without constantly fighting the ‘other’

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    Mr. C.V.Wijneswaran: Please don’t be a “Frog in a Well” in which all the “Tribes” are rotting. If you do have access to a “Computer”, please go to Google and search the topics under “Human Migration”. You will hide your face in shame, when the researched facts get into your “Brain”, that of course, if you have brain. To make you instigated into research into this subject, I give a basic fact: “Modern humans across continents began 2 million years ago with migration out of Africa of “Homo Erectus. The Homo Sapiens migrated out of Africa 100,000 years ago and spread across Asia 60,000 years ago”. So where do you and all other “TRIBAL HOMO SAPIENS” started? You must, on waking up in the morning and before stepping into that office of the Chief Minister, light a lamp, turn towards Africa and say your own “Solokaas” to worship those “Ancestors” – your origins. Please remember to write your FINDINGS through this CT web for the benefit of all those “Sinhala”; “Tamil”; “Muslim” etc……ctc…. and those “Religious & Linguist” Fanatics and Fundamentalists. Thank you.

    NB: I have a copy of the researched findings in a DVD format. If you provide me with a address, it would be a pleasure to send it across for you AWAKENING.

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      Douglas, in your computer search for the address of the Chief Minister of North and you will find it. send your DVD to that address. Please…
      Secondly, I agree with your African theory.. So, we all are niggers! Am I correct. Let us stop there.
      Thirdly, how many of you know that Wiggie’s both sons are married to the daughters of the prominent Sinhala politician Vasudeva Nanayakara. Wiggie started to speak Tamil only recently after becoming a CM. Even now he speaks Sinhala at his house!

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      Douglas

      You have been silent on the issue of history all theses years and months when it is being discussed by the sons and daughters of the soil (the Sinhala/Buddhist), of course with commissions and omissions, lies and more lies, myths as facts, and facts being twisted and turned into more myths, and you found no fault on those who wants to maintain the status quo of Buddhism in the constitution, …. I have never seen you challenging the bigots & the racist who believe as majority they have the right to commit tyranny on minorities.

      Further, you never challenged the grant dukes of Malawattu and Assgiria who have been allowed to change the course this island’s democratic destiny, as holy people who happened to have penchant for luxury vehicles.

      What made you to suddenly wake up and comment on C V Wigneswaran’s article.

      It seems a little lion has just jumped out of your tummy.
      Why?

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    One of the poor country in the world with no achievement what ever sort to be proud of, yet how big they talk . Let us imagine that all the Sri Lankans including Sinhalese ,Tamils, and Muslims are to be given free visas for any country in the world provided they bring 10 perches of land with them, the beloved motherland of those big mouthed patriots will be under sea in no time!

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      Sanjaya.

      I have to agree with you wholeheartedly. Sri Lanka’s progress as a developing nation is below par. Take two examples, Mexico and Vietnam. Two developing nations. One of them can even withstand a NAFTA withdrawal while the other was in smitherans not so long ago.

      But their infrastructure has developed so well over the years. They both had highways 20 years ago at a time when SL was still having roads with pot holes so large that Elephants could have a bath on.

      What does Sri Lanka produce that has value in the market? Apparels, yes. But they can be sourced from elsewhere. Even Bangladesh is a better supplier of ready-made garments than SL now. All it has our it’s expatriates who spend their valuable dollars during visits. I for one find much better tourist places than SL. Such as Maldives, Bahamas, Tahiti, EU etc.

      What’s the point of visiting SL and spending $7000 on tickets, Hotels and car rentals when you can take the best of Cruise lines on a Luxury room for much less than that amount.

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        There is nothing wrong with the country. It was politicians who brought the country to this state of abject misery. People have elected stupid politicians who know nothing about the potentials of the country. Even after 7 decades, there are untapped or under-tapped potentials. A strong political campaign emerged from the general public themselves should be taken place before the next major election pressing voters to take the right decision to stop Presidency being alternated between two parties or same families.

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          Champa,
          There is every thing wrong with the country. To start with, it is the people themselves who elect these politicians. Then they do every thing the people want, like free education, free health and whatnot. Who pays for all this? Nobody pays taxes, so it is the female slaves in the Gulf and female slaves in garment factories and plantations who pay.
          When will even you vote for a politician who promises to balance the budget, make people pay for their education/food/ pensions?

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            oldcodger
            The gap between the rich and the poor is huge. Therefore, every citizen is not in a position to pay for education and health. How could the poor and the low income people who live on daily wages or employees who live on pay cheque to pay cheque pay taxes when their meager salaries even not enough to cover food expenses and service charges? At the next election a new set of politicians should be elected to Parliament. SLFP and UNP have proved for 70 years that they are not suitable to run the country. The alternative is not JVP either.

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              Champa,
              Do you know that there are 200,000 FOREIGN workers on building sites in SL, earning 60,000 Rs average? Why are those lazy Samurdhi beneficiaries not working on these?

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          My this comment about SL was meant for Lt. Reginald Shamal Perera.

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      What a stupid comment!

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        Your Intellectual Highness,

        Truly pardon me for the stupid comment. Sanjaya and I were talking about the state of the country and not the root causes that led to the current situation.

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        Champa

        “What a stupid comment!”

        This is right below your previous typing.
        I do agree with you.

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        My this comment was meant for Sanjaya.

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      Wannihami

      “The illustration and the accompanying article shows the evolution of the Indo Aryan Languages, and the placement of Sinhala within that.”

      Achchige Patali Champika Ranawaka once proudly claimed when he was delivering his Sinhala/Buddhist sermon to his equally enlightened supporters that Sinhala language was the oldest language in the world next to the Hebrew language.
      I would have thought the first ape spoke Sinhala and practiced Sinhala/Buddhism. Why did he assign Sinhala language to second place and not the first? As you seem to quote Guardian I believe you too are in agreement with “Comment is free, but facts are sacred – C. P. Scott”.

      The illustration depicts Sinhala language as the mother of many Eastern Zone languages (including Rangapuri, Rohingya, Assamese, Bengali, Bhojpuri, Bhelpuri, Oriya, …………….) Then why would the film director Sarath Weerasekera, fiction writer Shenali Waduge, …………… and other fellow bigots organise themselves to support the Military sustained Burmese Government? Being the daughter language isn’t it right the Sinhala bigots support Rohingya speaking people irrespective of their religion?

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        really did he say that? Do you see Sinhalese here taking him seriously? Do you see Sinhala historians taking him seriously? You dont right…
        Sinhalese unlike Tamils largely ignore these things.
        When I showed that this is not a Wiggie problem but a larger Tamil issue and showed the humiliating Tamil gave birth to this and that videos in YT, the so called Vaddha has felt a lot humiliated and ashamed. I accept your Tamil bros sound so stupid and hence your humiliation.
        So instead of backing up what Wiggie says here the guy goes on saying Sinhala people believe all Eastern zone langauges came from Sinhala lu. This is the first time I heard such a thing. Sinhalese are not mytho maniacs like Tamils. And Sinhalese dont support those who talk a daughter langauge of Sinhala lu. Why? do you want to make us say that Bengali originated from Sinhala? No dear Sinhalese are not stupid like Tamils. We are not mytho maniacs. We have a history which we are proud of and we have abundance of sources to back up our history. So we do not have that mental weakness like you to steal from others. See we are different from you.
        In fact there is NO race in the whole planet who are mytho maniacs like Tamils. So ashamed ‘Vaddha’ do not invent stories. I as a Sinhalese go by research done by experts on linguistics.

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          sach the stupid

          “I as a Sinhalese go by research done by experts on linguistics.”

          Please let us have the details of all such researches and the authors.

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            How many times do you need me too tell that you should check the whole directory maintained by archeological dept listing all the inscriptions in SL?

            For a start at least read the book by James Gair

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    What a way to publish the articles that should be published in royal Asiatic Journal in CT and send through the peer reviews. the writer is a ex-supreme court judge, his educated audience in CT readership and he is writing things happened in the past. How do you prove your hypothesis. Even when you give a judgement, I suppose, you have to quote which particular sentence of the Criminal code, penal code etc., But, you made a turn here. why ?

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      Jimmy,

      Imagine a hapless Sinhalese man seeking Justice in one of his court rooms? LOL!

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        “Retarded ………………women sniffing …..Shameless Perera”

        “Imagine a hapless Sinhalese man seeking Justice in one of his court rooms? LOL!”

        Tamils too want to know what had happened to the Tamils who were being accused of LTTE terrorists and brought in front of him in Mallakam courts when the whole state was and is run by the Sinhala/Buddhist fascists like you?

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    Is this to satisfy the LTTE rump living both in Sri lanka and a preparation for the election. Are Educated Tamils this dumb to believe this BS. Or just the LTTE rump living overseas who have money but know nothing about Sinhala culture’s begining. Anyway we can not solve this problem because our southern political leaders are dickless, back bone less and they are are chosen but know nothing or no vision. Politicians are weak as visionaries so they are playing into the hands of these tribalists. ANYWAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT GAM PERALIYA, THE NOVEL DID YOU KNOW THAT PERIMIYAN KULAMA WAS CALLED paTHBERIYA,. hAVE YOU LIVED THERE ?

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      Thank you Wigneswaran. You are now stating what I have always stated and what many other unbiased historians and archeologists, many of them Sinhalese have always stated. One small correction. In Kerala the language of the vast majority of the population still remained a dialect of Tamil named Malayalama written in the Tamil script even as late as 1820. What is now passing off as modern Malyalam is the highly Sanskrtised dialect of the immigrant Namboothiri Brahmins written in the Tulu based Tilgari Grantha script, due to the conspiracy of the British rulers/ German missionaries . As per their opinion, they thought anything Aryan is more superior to Dravidian. therefore connived with their allies in Kerala the ruling Namboothiris and their half caste bastard allies the Nairs/Menons/Nambiars etc to ban the native Tamil language of the masses of Kerala called Malayalama written in Tamil and make the official language of Kerala the highly Sanskritised Tulu Grantha Bhasha( this was given this name to differentiate if from the native Malayalam/Tamil Malayalama language) of the immigrant Namoothiris written in the Tulu based script. To make it more acceptable to the masses, they added more Dravidian/ Tamil words to this dialect and started to call this dialect that was only spoken/used by around 10% of the population of Kerala until then as Malayalam and banned the old Tamil ( Dravidian) Malayalama language written in Tamil,. They also destroyed any publication any old books and writings in the old Malayalama Tamil language in Kerala. Even the powerful Syrian Christian church that used Tamil, was made to use this language from the 1820s. The Malabar/English dictionary published by Graham Shaw in 1779 is a Tamil/English dictionary. Prior to this there was not even 10 books published in this highly Sanskritised Tulu Grantha Bhasha of Namboothiris now thanks to the British , is now masquerading as modern Malayalam. The ironic thing is whilst destroying Tamil and promoting Tulu Grantha Bhaha in Kerala the British banned the use of the Tulu script in Tulu Nadu in western Karnataka.

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      Also Sri lanka was ceylon

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    Mr. Vigneswaran,

    I suppose the bottom line of you and the Tamils that think like you is that:

    1. Sinhala and Sinhalese DO NOT even have the RIGHT to live in Sri Lanka/Ceylon let alone be majority in Sri Lanka and therefore, democratically control Sri Lanka.

    2. You ridicule our (Sinhala) history….Oh us Tamils know the best…Oh we are so good….

    3.How come there are no Buddhist among the Tamils today….If Tamils are soooo intelligent they should have continued with Buddhism , where even Einstein could not find ANY fault….

    4.WHY is Sinhala/Sinhalese there NOT in the Subcontinent mainland because the ANCESTORS of modern day Sinhalese created the CULTURE solely in Sri Lanka by mixing ALL mainland culture and indigenous culture (This is by the way NOT Tamil Culture….Read Prof. Indrapalan thesis)+…
    Buddhism is ALSO like this……..

    5. There CAN NEVER be RECONCILIATION between TAMILS and the Sinhalese…..Because , IF you were a majority there would NEVER be EVEN a trace of Sinhala/Sinhalese left in Sri Lanka……

    6. The Tamil culture in Sri Lanka is an EXTACT copy of the Culture in TAMIL NADU….(Tamil Desai)..

    7.North AND East WILL BE and extension of Tamil Nadu ……….

    8. I have NO problem of you getting a TAMIL state in Sri Lanka BUT it MUST lead to 2 state solution..

    Sinhala Buddhist state and a Tamil state………It is time to get rid of the Sinhala homosexuals and get those WHO can get the Sinhala Buddhists a STATE….(END OF MESSAGE)

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      LOL,,,,According to Tamil politicans and tamils by extension Sri Lanka is primarily a Tamil country. So to solve this so called issue and get reconciliation, we need to do the following
      1. Sinhalese should declare they are in fact tamils and start learning tamil if possible
      2. All sinhala kings were Tamil
      3. Sri Lanka is a tamil country.
      Only then the problem of ‘oppressed but highly intelligent’ Tamils will be solved.

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    Ex supreme court Judge making a fool of himself and becoming disgrace to a higher institution in Sri lanka. IS this saying that here after do not appoint educated Tamils to higher institutions in Sri lanka because they make themselves fools and the institution name degraded. How does Sinhala suddenly appear in the 6th century, how did it just spring up ?. there are books published in sinhala during the fifth century. Were those Written by Tamils. Because, buddhagosha, apparently, is a south Indian and visuddhimagga is written in sinhala. According to you, Devanam piyatheesan lived in 3rd to 4th Century. Visuddhi magga had been written in the 4th century and it is in Sinhala. How do you say, sinhala was evolved in 6th century. Anyway, you theory is brand new and we may have to edit visuddhimagga to correct it. If there were Tamil baudhayas, why Tamils are mostly Saivaites ?

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    Vigneshvaran contradicts himself. He has to explain why the Sinhala language was born after 800 years ago? Then he should show how Sinhala became dominant language if the Tamil language was there before the Sinhalese as he says.

    If the Sinhalese were not sons of this soil or at least if they did not come from India as Vigie says he should explain why a nation called Sinhala was born suddenly without context.

    If the Tamils lived throughout the country and the Tamil language was used throughout the country and if the Tamils were early Buddhists there is no necessity to create a new language called Sinhala.

    But the truth is there is the Sinhala nation. The language of Sinhalese is the Sinhala language. Thus it is clear Vigie´s article is self-contradictory. He tries to create racial tensions for his gains. The government should stop such insinuations to the Sinhalese nation.

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      In North and East, Buddhist ruins are under constant attack by the followers of the most peaceful religion. But Tamils never raise a voice. Why? Because they know these things do not belong to them.

      The use of Tamil Buddhists, Devanampiyathissa is tamil talk is simply trying to snatch away or destroy the rightful place of Sinhala civilisation in this country. Otherwise they dont even believe their own lies

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    What the writer of this article is saying, is that because of the date when Sinhala became a languade Devanampiya Tissa’s language of communication had to be Tamil,. Therefore he is called a Tamil.

    My latest play is about this cultural factor – I quote a key line – “We see here two blood brothers, one Aryan, the other Dravidian (Pause) . Ernest Keethaponcalan found in a carry bag as neither Aryan or Dravidian evolved by adoption, through language and culture into a Dravidian. His brother evolved in the same way into an Aryan. Our ethnicities reveal social attributes not biological differences”. Hence THE UNIMPORTANCE OF BEING EARNEST ABOUT ARYAN AND DRAVIDIAN” (Title of the play)

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    Anyway, Do not take this serious. good Old Judge is trying to make few bucks out of the election for the family. HE says here it is his view, his opinion and He doe snot say that it is the truth and nothing but the truth. Just leave him alone.

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    This in Kerala you still have this two languages. The simple spoken dialect of the masses is a Tamil dialect, that can be easily understood by Tamils, if spoken very slowly. However the language used for literary purposes in the media etc is this highly Sanskritised dialect of the Namboothiris that is 80% Sanskrit and 20% Tamil using Sanskrit grammatical rules and falesely calling itself Malayalam , thanks to the British.

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      This is a direct insult to Malayalee speaking people in Kerala. Malayalee is NOT a Tamil dialect. It is a separate langauge. Tamil and Malayalam evolved from a language, linguistics identify as proto Tamil

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        sach the stupid

        “This is a direct insult to Malayalee speaking people in Kerala. Malayalee is NOT a Tamil dialect.”

        If this is a direct insult and you feel deeply shocked for the them what would you say about rounding up of all Malayalees from harbour, mills, sweet shops, ….. and deporting them back to Kerala immediately after 1948?

        “It is a separate langauge. Tamil and Malayalam evolved from a language, linguistics identify as proto Tamil”

        Congratulation for being an expert on Indian languages.

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          In fact I got that knowledge from an Indian linguistic expert. It is incorrect to say Malayalam originated from Tamil. I have no issue with Malayalee people as they are not Tamil mytho maniacs. I think we should start a scheme to give citizenship to malayalees to come here and do jobs if they are ready to learn Sinhala. At the same time we should block every Tamil speaker getting visa

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        It did not evolve from Proto Tamil but from classical Sangam era Tamil . What evolved was the local native Tamil dialect called Malayalama or Malabar Tamul and not the the highly Sanskritised dialect that was only confined to the immigrant Namboothiri Brahmins written in the Tula based Tilgari Grantha script , that is now masquerading as modern Malayalam from the 1820s, thanks to the British and their power politics They wanted to make to establish this powerful immigrant community and their half caste bastard Nair allies in Kerala. who were still considered outsiders by the indigenous Malayalama/Tamil speaking masses. What is the best way to establish them . Impose their highly Sanskritised dialect and written form and ban the language of the masses . This makes them the top dogs and indigenous in the newly established order, as it is their language that has now the language of Kerala and not the language of the natives. This was all in the Wikipedia until it was edited by Malayaless fanatics just like the Wikepedia references to the largely Tamil origin of the present Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Muslims have been edited by Sinhalese and Muslim hardliners.Now when you read the Wikepedia you will have the impression Sinhalese are all Aryans and the Sri Lankan Muslims are Arabs. All the Tamil contribution has been edited out. Hope you will read all this and become less racist and fanatical. Even most ordinary Malayalees other than the fanatics admit to this truth and what the British did. They never favoured the Tamils but used them and caused them great damage everywhere due to their white supremacist Aryan views

        http://www.thehindu.com/2005/10/14/stories/2005101407670300.htm

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_Malabar_Tamul

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lingua_Malabar_Tamul#.23Disputed

        http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/Malayalam_language

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    Unfotunately Mr. Wigneswaran has not heard of James Gyer and other Cornell University Linguists, and he is misled by the the Jaffna University people who have peddled a jingoistic history to comply with the LTTE. Some of us in India know better. James G and others show that Sinhala had acquired a distinct character of its own by at least the first century BCE. Also,, he misquotes Iruvathu Mahadevan. According to the latter, although a Tamil Brahmi Script had begun to evolve quite early, the Tamil language par se and an ethnic consciousness did not evolve until the Sangam period. It was the Mahawamsa that tslked of Dameda fir the first time, inthe 5th century.
    So there is no point of talkng about early Tamils. There were no racists like Wigneswaran then. There was mainly a cosciousness of caste cutting across tribes. The Tamils arose from primitive dravidian tribes during Changam period circs 1st century BCE to 3rd. See aldo Kailasapathys writings.

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      You racist! Are you jelous of the great tamils and the greatest and oldest language in the world?
      See this. Even English originated from Tamil
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrVTGeBWwA

      :D

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    Wiggy dear and all the intellectually challenged imbeciles of this forum, please go home and read the article published in the Guardian 2015 Jan 23. You just have to type “Guardian Language tree” on google and it will come up..You can manage that can you not?
    The illustration and the accompanying article shows the evolution of the Indo Aryan Languages, and the placement of Sinhala within that.

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    Concept of race is quite immaterial- moot……lost in the vagueness of history. The present moment is the reality. We must always look at the present moment. Sinhalese constitute the majority of the island. Tamils have a main homeland in Tamil Nadu. Therefore, the small island must belong to the Sinhalese. DNA cannot tell exactly, but further indications can be given from stories and legends. Buddhism can tell definitely. DNA based on Buddhism, where genes change after 2,500 years of Buddhist egalitarianism is very apparent. Hinduism of the sub-continent makes Sinhalese as different from Indians as cleansing water is to gingilly-oil.

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      Well said Aunty Ramona!
      You seems to a very intelligent lady to think that if you are a majority in a country, that means the country belongs to you and all others are immigrants. If you take countries like Australia and North America, the whites are the majority. As per your friend logic, the whites must be the owners of those countries and the aboriginals and red Indians must be immigrants because they are the minorities. Very good logic Aunty Ramona, please take care of your brains.

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        US and Australia’s new-world history are very recent and not lost in vagueness. Different set of logics for Sri Lanka. Sinhalese and Tamils are almost the same race except for language differences. In Sri Lanka all must become Sinhalese. In Tamil Nadu, all have become Tamils.

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    1. Mootha Siva or Mutasiva’s father is king Gotabhaya which is a common sinhala name which the Tamils fear.
    2. There is NO evidence to suggest any Tamil settlements prior to 13 AD
    3. There is no Tamil inscriptions before 10AD and the existing ones are here thanks to Chola rule
    4. Sinhala learning was centered around the Buddhist temple which used Pali. And hence the robust Pali literature
    5. Prakrit which we have inscriptions dating from 3 BC was the forerunner of the Sinhala language.

    Wigie’s historical interpretation solely depends on ONE thing. Modern day Sinhala langauge appears in 6 AD so, before that it was Tamils here. Other than that he has NO proofs, arguments or evidence to buttress what he says.
    If what he says is true it only shows the modern day Sinhalese have Tamil origin or have the same shared ancestry with Tamils in South India and does NOT mean there was a Tamil kingdom in SL.

    Once TN chief minister, Karunanidhi said Jesus was a Tamil and spoke Tamil in the cross. One should understand the level of intellect of these fellows. I remember DBS.Jeyaraj too shared an article that said the same. Tamils as a whole live on historical fantasy and mythomania to help their ethnic egos. This is a huge problem as it has given risen to ultra tamil nationalism which resembles Nazism.

    It is high time historical scholars in South and rest of the world teach this fellow about this subject.

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      sach the stupid

      “4.Sinhala learning was centered around the Buddhist temple which used Pali. And hence the robust Pali literature
      5. Prakrit which we have inscriptions dating from 3 BC was the forerunner of the Sinhala language.”

      Why wasn’t Sinhala language used instead of Pali and Prakrit? Doesn’t it show the language, religion, … all other cultural and social elements were imported wholesale from India?

      Sinhalese and Tamils of this island have nothing unique to claim theirs including their common DNA, corruption and stupidity. All imported from India.

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        Prakrit in SL is what became Sinhala idiot. It is called Old Sinhala. Buddhist monks gave priority to their religion and used Pali to write religious books. At the same time they did Sinhala literature as well. In Mahavamsa, it is clearly mentioned that information was taken from Sinhala Atta katha. Now dont as me what Atta katha is. Use google or read a book.

        And mostly they did not anticipate that Sinhala people will be under attack by Tamil mytho mania fascists.

        For the nth time idiot DNA has NOTHING to do with languages. I dont care what Tamils says. Tamil can continue to say that everything under the sun originated from Tamil EXCEPT what is rightfully ours. I think Tamil mytho mania should exist to provide us humour but limited to the boundary of TN.
        Get a book on Sinhala language and learn about is fascist..

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      King Mootha Sivan’s father was not Gothabaya go and read history first before posting untruths. His father Panduvasudeva and from the name you can see he is of Pandian origin. Good try

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        Yes, from the name I can see that they are both Pandian because they both start with ‘P’. Jesus. Are Tamils this stupid?

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      sach:-
      As we all know from our old History Books Gotabhaya, was really ‘Gotha Abhaya’ which translates into English as ‘Stammering Abhaya’.
      So He probably mispronounced his Son’s name into something that Sounded Thamil to the Tamils! Think about it!
      Tamils haven’t got certain Consonants in their Alphabet, and cannot let names end on a Vowel. So they add an ‘N’ or an ‘M’ at the end of a Sinhala Name
      Also ‘G’ is usually pronounced ‘K’ by Tamils, hence the misunderstanding that Sinhala originated from Thamil. – Sinhala Speakers can pronounce both Consonants.

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        Irrational one even the Modavamsa that is very anti Tamil anti Hindu anti Indian and written in Pali not in Sinhala , as Sinhalese was not a literary language at that time and still evolving, clearly states in Pali the name Moota Siva or Muta Siva and Kaavan Tissa and not Gavan or Gavin Tissa. Please read oh irrational one.

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          Pali language, but Sinhala script…

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            Sach,

            “Pali Language, but Sinhala script”

            that has its roots in South Indian script, modified to accommodate Pali and Sanskrit.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinhalese_alphabet

            The Sinhalese alphabet (Sinhalese: සිංහල අක්ෂර මාලාව) (Siṁhala Akṣara Mālāva) is an alphabet used by the Sinhalese people in Sri Lanka and elsewhere to write the Sinhalese language and also the liturgical languages Pali and Sanskrit. The Sinhalese alphabet, which is one of the Brahmic scripts, a descendant of the ancient Indian Brahmi script closely related to the South Indian Grantha script and Kadamba alphabet.

            Sinhalese is often considered two alphabets, or an alphabet within an alphabet, due to the presence of two sets of letters. The core set, known as the śuddha siṃhala (pure Sinhalese, ශුද්ධ සිංහලimg) or eḷu hōḍiya (Eḷu alphabet එළු හෝඩිය img), can represent all native phonemes. In order to render Sanskrit and Pali words, an extended set, the miśra siṃhala (mixed Sinhalese, මිශ්‍ර සිංහලimg), is available.

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        Tamils do not know that there were at least three kings in Sri Lanka called Gotabhaya and a separate warrior ( one of the Dutugamunu’s ten warriors)
        This is how Tamils learn SL history.
        Their source is politicians like GG. Then they look for kings who had Tamil connections. That is the only history they know.

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    5. Mahavamsa referred to Tamil kings as Tamils because they were the OUTSIDER. He did not specifically mention the legitimate kings because it was common knowledge they were sons of the soil who are Sinhala. Only when we refer to the OUTSIDER we refer to their ethnicity. But Mahavamsa very clearly call the people who lived in Sri Lanka as Sinhala people.

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      sach the stupid

      ” Mahavamsa referred to Tamil kings as Tamils because they were the OUTSIDER.”

      Were they outsiders to the island or outsiders to a tiny little kingdom(s)? The island was according to Mahawamsa ruled by numerous chieftains (of tribe or clan) and petty chieftains hence people from particular tiny little serfdom ignore the existence of rest of the people.

      Its like the ostrich.

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        First lets look at what Wiggie says. According to Wiggie, Anuradhapura kingdom was Tamil. This is what he suggest in this article. He says there was no mention of Sinhala in Mahavamsa and only refer to kings as Tamil….

        Then you ask this question. You are trying to say, while Anuradhapura was Sinhala there was a Tamil kingdom in North. And hence the monk in Anuradhapura refered to Tamil king as an outsider.

        So you are contradicting what Wiggie says.

        There are NO evidence to suggest they were outsiders to a tiny little kingdom. Because there is no evidence of such a tiny little kingdom. So the outsiders are marauders from South India

        The Tamils are the ostrich here.

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    This is what a Telugu commentator had said in a Tamil myth mania video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2DNb1iC4eM

    “In fact, Shakespeare was actually Seshappa Aiyer.”
    LOL and Tamil idiots have taken that as real…

    Cameroonians Speak Tamil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyAYGlFZjk

    And there is a lot like that. Wiggie alone does not have a prblm. Tamils as a whole has a problem

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