By Colombo Telegraph –
Sri Lankan Government said today there was no evidence or complaints against Kumaran Pathmanathan alias KP to conduct legal proceedings against him. Media Centre for National Security (MCNS) Director General Lakshman Hulugalle told a news conference that no legal action could be taken without complaints or evidence.
Shanmugam Kumaran Dharmalingum, alias Kumaran Pathmanathan,(K.P,)on the charges of Supporting terrorism by supplying arms and explosives. Any information regarding Kumaran Pathmanathan should be informed to the national police stations, provincial police stations, or the General Secretary of the Interpol.This arrest warrant was also published in the internet.
gamini / October 17, 2012
At least now if the masses can not see through the plot how VP was replaced by KP to take over the LTTE by fooling the masses with a staged war, the masses will never see nor understand what intrigue is.
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gamini / October 18, 2012
KP the current choice of the International Community who replaced VP, waiting to take over the NE, after the 13th Amendment is Officially abrogated by the MR regime. The ‘DIVI NASUMA BILL’ will not only help the Rajapaksas but also KP and crowd in the future.
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David Blacker / October 18, 2012
How can he take over the NE after abrogation of the 13th, since there won’t be be an NE without a 13th?
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gamini / October 18, 2012
Without implementing the 13th if the NE can exist, they will continue the present PC system without officially granting the Police Powers and Land powers saying that it lies with the Centre, but in effect will allow them to handle same. Afterall how many irregularities are committed without Official sanction?
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David Blacker / October 19, 2012
HOW will the NE remain as an entity if the PCs created under the 13th are dissolved with the 13th? What is the post KP will hold, given that without PCs there will be no provincial political administration? It is better to think these things through instead of typing the first thing that comes into your head.
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gamini / October 19, 2012
Have not the Provincial Councils functioned without granting the provisions in the 13th Amendment so far?
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Leela / October 19, 2012
Blacker,
Alas and lack! Your logic is beyond their consciousness.
Leela
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gamini / October 19, 2012
Also rans, putting their cents worth!
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David Blacker / October 22, 2012
OK, Gamini, let’s go to logic kindergarten and explain it to you.
1. The PCs came into being as one of the provisions of the 13th, the latter being a piece of legislation; ie a law. You understand that, I hope.
2. Certain parts of said law haven’t been implemented, as you say.
3. However, regardless of their implementation, for them to BE implemented there must BE a law. With me so far?
4. Now, if the 13th (the law under which the PCs and other things are or are not implemented) is removed, NONE of the provisions of that said law may be legally implemented.
So, dear Gamini, please explain to me under what law will an entity known as the Northeast (which btw doesn’t even exist under the 13th) come into being?
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Native Vedda / October 22, 2012
David Blacker:
“Maybe he sent you an SMS that he was going to surrender, Jungle Boy, but so far there is no evidence of any attempt to surrender”
Perhaps the SMS was lost in translation city slicker.
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Ibrahim / November 14, 2012
I once visited jafnfa.but I am not satisfied about it.coz I still have some short comings.I was determined to see all the war related places,but some are still left behind,coz we did not get a proper guide.I still wanted to visit so many places there in near future.how could I get a experienced guide? and a hand book with a route and the places we should visit .
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Mike Hammer / October 19, 2012
usual thrid rate poppycock from Gamini. LTTE resurrection ??? dream on . They will get the same treatment .Interstingly pro-LTTE crowd is increasigly becoming Freudian case studies ,dreaming up fantasy scenarios in order to attenuate the bitter defeat suffered by one Sun God who got his just deserts. Never mind Gamini, WE are ready to face resurrected terrorsists as well :)
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gamini / October 19, 2012
Mike Hammer, first use a Sinhalese name, if you want to suck up to MR claiming to be Pseudo Patriots. Why, Are you smarting still regarding the use of your Pseudonym? When you say, ‘WE are ready to face resurrected terrorists as well’, are you also a foot soldier like David Blacker? Both names sound similar. The resurrection of the LTTE is advertised not by us, but by your MR, when it pleases and convenient to him, otherwise he Boasts that he defeated the LTTE. So you will be better informed if you ask the question from MR himself.
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JULAAMPITYE AMARAYA / October 17, 2012
I AM VERY HAPPY AS MY NAME STILL NOT THERE.
I AM NOT AFRAID, BECAUSE MY BOSSES AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE PROTECTING ME FOR ANY FUTURE CRIMINAL USE .
HAIL MY FRIENDS K P, KARUNA, DUMINDA, MARVIYA, MALAKA, MAJOR TISSA.
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Senguttuvan / October 17, 2012
KPs unenviable fate should be treated by those Tamils who mislead themselves on the Separatist Project – lead by VP/LTTE from the mid-1980s in their “Eelam or Bust” quest. Tamils should have insisted on the restoration of the Status Quo when the Portugese arrived. That is what they should be doing although much of the Eastern Province part of the Traditional Tamil lands in the NEP has been stolen by State-inspired forced colonisation – that continues to this hour. To ask for a 2-nation solution in an undivided Island will eventually help their cause, although the South is far too prejudiced to accept this now. Many leading Sinhala scholars are inclined to consider this path – which is far bloodless. The UN and most countries will view this formula favourably. South Sudan and the BandarMoro examples speak in favour of this road. It may be recalled the Sinhala south, lead by the radical priesthood, was vehemently opposed to both language equality (30+ years) and Citizenship to Estate workers (40 years) Eventually, they were forced to yield to reason on both – after far too much social and fiscal damage. Similarly, I believe, they will come to terms with the 2 Nations solution theory once the Sinhalese are assured their wider and longer interest are not endangered.India too would like this headache out of their Agenda if this option sees the light of the day soon.
Senguttuvan
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Mango / October 18, 2012
Dear Senguttuvan,
Is there any evidence that the Sinhala south (and Muslims etc) desire a two-state solution? And no country (certainly not India) openly promoted a two-state solution. In fact, public pronouncements over the years maintained international support for a unified SL.
I just can’t see how a two-state solution would exist inside an undivided island, without it immediately turning violent.
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Gowrie / October 17, 2012
Rajapkshe brothers, the fascist dictators, making mockery of IC and the international rule of law.
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Mark Webber / October 19, 2012
Hey A-Gowrie
Still Rajapaksas’ cannot match your sun goat Preba podian on the qualities you mentioned above.
They is a long way for Rajapaksas to match qualities of your blood sucking racist sun goat.
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Lanka Muslim, UK / October 17, 2012
Commit any crime but join the ruling clan you will be safe. Only VP made mistake. He should have changed sides when he knew things were going against him.
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Ponnu / October 17, 2012
VP though not much educated was a clever leader and belongs to self respecting Tamils. He does not belong to traitors like KP, Karuna, Pillayan and Douglas, who are suckers and selfish men and pretended
to fight for Tamil freedom.
VP will be admired by future generation, whereas these traitors will also remembered with shame.
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Native Vedda / October 18, 2012
Ponnu
Sinhala/Buddhists believe a dead tiger is a good tiger.
How come a trusted lieutenant of LTTE supremo VP who procured weapons to kill innocent Tamil, Sinhalese and Muslims is still alive?
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Navin Weeraratne / October 19, 2012
Amazing how the world can be black and white fairy tales for some isn’t it? VP is a hero. KP is a traitor. MR is a hero. SF is a traitor.
Guess any future generation that admires the likes of VP and MR will be as selfish and corrupt, or ignorant, as the present generations. Isn’t it great handing down stupidity and inhumanity from generation to generation… in the name of culture and identity!
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2012
Navin Weeraratne
Good question, I have been pondering over such questions for many years.
Human history is full of such stories. Almost all “heroes” would have hidden part of their questionable side from stupid followers. Even murder and mayhem are presented as heroic deeds.
Well that is the world we have inherited and definitely will pass it on to future generations, a sordid past packaged in legendary tales of victors and vanquished, nothing in between, as you put it “black and white fairy tales”.
Both Wijeweera and Prabaharan surrendered to the armed forces and later were killed by them, but both are revered by their supporters and followers.
When followers are willing to add more myths to their heroes what could we do to prevent it? Just sit back and watch.
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Mark Webber / October 19, 2012
Hey Ponne
Don’t you realise SL goverment used those fellows to achieve its goal.
By the way, your beloved Preba will be remembered very well for wiping out few generations of tamils from SL.
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Lanka Muslim, UK / October 19, 2012
Whether their belief and path are right or wrong according to the thinking of others those who strongly live by their belief and bravely march forward on the path that they chose even in the face of certain death are worthy beings than those betray their belief and chosen path for perks and privileges.
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jeevithemal / October 18, 2012
Since KP is wanted by India, the SL authorities Must inform Interpol about his where abouts. As India is our friendly neighbour, there should not be any extradiction problems
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Rohan / October 18, 2012
So, when are we releasing the Leader of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam. It is great to know that Sarath Fonseka committed more criminal activitiis than KP.
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Sonlight / October 18, 2012
I don,t think that he was totally freed to work independently. He may be another Karuna who gives fullest cooperation to continue with the dictatorial rule against Tamil minorities in North and elsewhere in the country.These are not genuine moves by the Govt.The Rulers will make the maximum use of KP for their political and financial benefits,no doubt.
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Mango / October 18, 2012
It makes absolute sense for KP, Karuna etc to be brought into the mainstream, despite their previous misdeeds. That’s what has to happen after a war. You have to make peace with your erstwhile enemies.
A good example from Northern Ireland is Martin McGuiness. He was a senior IRA commander during the IRA insurgency, he ordered the deaths of many British soldiers, planned countless bombings and tried (and failed) to kill Mrs Tatcher and her cabinet in the1984 Brighton Grand Hotel bombing.
Martin McGuiness is now Northern Ireland’s Deputy First Minister (Prime Minister).
I do wonder how they’ll deal with the Interpol red notice against KP… perhaps they’ll claim it’s part of necessary reconciliatory activities. :)
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gamini / October 18, 2012
The IRA never massacred people as the LTTE did. Therefore trying to compare Mrtin McGuiness with KP and Karuna Amman who personally killed thousands is way off the mark. Then MR should have spared VP also as VP helped MR to become the President, as without VP’s help he would have never become the President? We will see how long this MR LTTE honeymoon is going to last? The MR Patriots who accuse and blame us saying we are helping the LTTE, when we speak on behalf of the Tamils, not the LTTE are ever ready to embrace cold blooded LTTE killers. What convoluted Logic?
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Mango / October 18, 2012
Dear Gamini,
Of course the IRA massacred people! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsmill_massacre
The casualty figures in N. Ireland are much lower than in SL, but the comparison is still valid because you still have to make peace with your ex-enemy.
VP had the opportunity to surrender and didn’t. Instead, VP & his team sacrificed thousands of civilian lives just to stay alive and await a miracle rescue.
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2012
Mango
“VP had the opportunity to surrender and didn’t”
He did surrender.
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David Blacker / October 22, 2012
Maybe he sent you an SMS that he was going to surrender, Jungle Boy, but so far there is no evidence of any attempt to surrender.
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gamini / October 18, 2012
Mango you say, ‘I do wonder how they’ll deal with the Interpol red notice against KP… perhaps they’ll claim it’s part of necessary reconciliatory activities’. How come there is reconciliatory activity with KP only, when MR is not willing to implement the very LLRC proposals for the entire Tamils regards reconciliation? What reconciliation are you talking off? MR’s Secret Deals with KP betraying VP?
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Mango / October 18, 2012
Dear Gamini,
Only unrelenting pressure will see even a small measure of the LLRC’s recommendations implemented. But as long as pressure for reconciliation is allied to threats of war crimes trials, it’s not going to happen. Real reconciliation will take 2-4 generations and won’t be something that can be dictated by any government.
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gamini / October 19, 2012
Mango, I agree it is unrelenting International pressure that will only drive despots to concede some degree to iron out inequalities in societies that have got mixed over the years. The issue is that there appears no pressure at all as they are vacillating at the moment and what appears is their complicity, being partisan in coverups.
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Mango / October 18, 2012
Dear Gamini,
As I said before there are many types of real and fake reconciliatory actives and they’ll take generations to have a positive outcome. What exactly was this ‘secret deal’ that KP made with MR to betray VP? VP was stuck Nandikadal waiting for the end.
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gamini / October 19, 2012
Mango the coincidence for KP to come under MR’s protection, when he was fully aware of what happened to VP at Puthukudiirippu.
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Punchinilame / October 18, 2012
KP is kept in the “golden cage” of Gota as much as Ramawickrema, the
SLA embedded Videographer. They all belong to the “Group” of Karuna,Piliyan, Murthy Master, Douglas etc etc. and each one kept/maintained at State expenses. All this is in preparation for any IC War Crime charges/evidence.
Gota-affi is terrified at the prospects and has a floating-arsenal,in
the southern waters,as reported elsewhere. This Interpol Warrant is no concern to the Regime and so is any movement for Justice in S.Lanka!!!
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Senguttuvan / October 18, 2012
Dear Mango:
The Sinhala South cannot be expected to “desire” a 2 State solution. It is only suggested as an alternative. If they are sufficiently educated in the sbject and they accept their choice is either this or total separation their option then will be clear. India, with the old Kashmir burden, certainly is out of the reckoning.
Our Muslims are a post-1985 claimant for separate recognition and have snow-balled to asking for their own Province. This is being resisted both by the Sinhalese and Tamils. The 2 State solution does not run contrary to the undivided country theory. On the contrary, it helps to retain the oneness of the Island. This solution will remove the fear of the Tamil Diaspora, Tamilnadu, the TGTE and other such delusionary features to the gradual satisfaction of the Sinhala South. Once Tamils get their own Council the necessity of both the TGTE and the agitation of the Tamil diaspora will substantially reduce. The problem is the Sinhalese are poisoned for 6 decades about the threat of Separation they are conditioned to oppose anything outside the “Unitary” Box. The latter, at any rate, is a 1972 invention, arguably, from the mischievous mind of Felix Dias.
As to your fear of violence, have we been free of violence for nearly 60 years with the Status Quo? So far it has been officially adopted at least by one main Tamil political Party and I believe, with greater national debate, it will gather its own steam and popular support.
Senguttuvan
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Mango / October 18, 2012
Dear Senguttuvan,
I think I understand what you’re looking for, but I honestly don’t see any possibility of this happening. Under Ranil, the LTTE was offered the best deal they were ever going to get, which was less than full, legally recognised independence. They spurned it, and the rest is history.
Can you honestly imagine a future GoSL being able to persuade the rest of the country to talk about a two state solution? I’m sorry Senguttuvan, I just don’t that see that even in the outer realms of probability.
As for violence, I agree. Post-1947, we’ve had various anti-Tamil pogroms = 5,000 dead? JVP 1 & JVP 2= 60,000 dead? Eelam Wars 1-4 = 100,000 dead? Total of approx 165,000 violent and unnecessary deaths. That’s more than enough for one small country, no?
The pro-LTTE expats and agitators are this govt’s (unintentional) greatest allies.
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2012
Senguttuvan;
So in essence you support the two nation one country model.
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KK / October 19, 2012
Gowrie
Rajapkshe brothers, the fascist dictators, making mockery of IC and the international rule of law.
Rajapakse brothers are much better than VP family for this country
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2012
KK
“Rajapakse brothers are much better than VP family for this country”
Why?
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2012
David Blacker:
“It is better to think these things through instead of typing the first thing that comes into your head”.
You too have to consider taking your own medicine.
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David Blacker / October 22, 2012
I always practice what I preach ;)
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Native Vedda / October 22, 2012
David Blacker:
“I always practice what I preach”
Do you really?
Do you also preach,
“Kill the Vedda, Rob the Buddha, Blame the Suddah”?
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David Blacker / October 23, 2012
Have you ever heard me say that?
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Leela / October 19, 2012
Tamils are over 70 million in Tamil Nadu and it is situated just few miles away from our Northern coast. Sinhala population in entire Sri Lanka is just 15 million. This may well have been the population ratio throughout history.
Surely, if Tamils had been permanent settlers in the North and East as this commentator claims, they would have overwhelmed entire Sri Lanka with that massive population or Tamils should have just assimilated Sinhalas into their race a long long time back. Indeed, it happened to Sinhalas in recent times in the north; Sinhalas who were there are now low-casts named Koviya and Mukkuwa. But it didn’t happen throughout the Island, Why?
Sri Lanka had been a unitary country and a Sinhala one at that for over 2500 years. Apart from Sinhala chronicles, visible and unearthed artifacts and monuments and stone inscriptions prove this point beyond doubt. It or rather lack of it for their part proves that Tamils were not permanent settlers but invaders who plundered Sinhala kingdoms from time to time.
Our chronicles tell us that every time Tamil invaders lost their fight with Sinhalas they went back to India. But it also says Tamils had ruled the entire country at times and time and again they ruled parts of it, just as Piripakaran did recently.
One cannot leave Sinhala chronicles out because there ain’t any Tamils ones. Wikipedia only shows Tamil Kingdom in Jaffna from 1215 to 1624 CE Kotte ruling it in between from 1450 to 1467. And nothing prior to that. It doesn’t shows that 5000 or so Tamil history that Sri Lankan MP for Batty, Ariyananthen and his elk claim they have here?
Truth is, Wellahler Tamils were brought here from India by early European colonialists to plant their tobacco and Thesawalamai was copied and decoded in to law by the dutch to retain the migrant labour. And the so-called Indian Tamils by the last colonialists to plant their tea.
There is no difference between Tamil Nadu Tamils or South African Tamils or Malaysian Tamils or Singapore Tamils or wherever Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils. Their cultural and language affinity shows that they are not ancient migrants from Tamil Nadu. The fact that they are all united to carve out Eelam for Tamils of Sri Lanka today is another proof for their close connection.
Tamils tried to carve out a separate country in India as well. And they started it long before Muhammad Ali Jinna even dream of a Pakistan. I can understand that for 95% of all Tamils live in India. Not just that, all their thousand year old kingdoms, history, chronicles, artifacts etc and etc were all there in India. But they failed. 16A to Indian constitution in 1963 had put a stop to Tamil separation.
And Tamils started concentrating their effort to have their Eelam in the North and East of Sri Lanka since. It peaked when Tamil majority party ITAK declared war on Sinhalese at a mass rally on May 14, 1976 known as Waddukkodai resolution. LTTE is the end result of that resolution. Now that LTTE and what it stood for is defeated Tamils better try to live as equals in one nation and not two as Senguttuvan pipe dreams.
Leela
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2012
Leela
“Sinhalas who were there are now low-casts named Koviya and Mukkuwa”
My people were assimilated into Tamil community and they are known as Parayas in the North.
If and when Tamils are assimilated into Sinhala community obviously the Sinhala would love to call them Para Demela.
Caste consciousness among the stupid Tamils and stupid Sinhalese transcends their respective races. This is another reason why they are closely related.
Please explain to me as to why your Sinhala people are genetically closely related to Tamils of Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu than my people who are the original inhabitants of this island?
Since Sinhalese are genetically close to Tamil Nadu Tamils it would not make much difference whether you speak Sinhalese or Tamil. If the 70 million is added to your 20 million, regionally you will have the highest number of stupid people in the world.
It is a record no one would dare to break.
You say:
“Sri Lanka had been a unitary country and a Sinhala one at that for over 2500 years.”
I know you are the leading stupid Sinhalese person in this forum it does not mean you should make it obvious.
“Apart from Sinhala chronicles, visible and unearthed artifacts and monuments and stone inscriptions prove this point beyond doubt.”
Could I have cite of the evidence. Please quote the relevant references. When I put this question to the revisionist historians they stop appearing in these forums. If you are making up history I do understand. Its alright please do visit us and entertain us.
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Leela / October 19, 2012
Where is this Vedda dwell? Cannot be in Sri Lanka for otherwise he wouldn’t bawl at Sinhala as cast conscious. Silly man doesn’t see that tens of millions of Dravidian in all the southern states of India are much much more closely related to Tamils than Sinhalas.
Vedda is clueless why not many erudite people answer his questions. I have noticed it and I am sure many others must have noticed it as well. The reason I think is Vedda try to act as if he is the all knowing pundit here. Whereas the man’s irrational and silly questions slip out his inferiority complex and crude character trait. Not just that, it all sounds as if he is trying to wipe out many a chip lies on his shoulder. I doubt these are typical Vedda mode.
Leela
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2012
Leela
from Waddukkodai says:
“Apart from Sinhala chronicles, visible and unearthed artifacts and monuments and stone inscriptions prove this point beyond doubt.”
Could I have cite of the evidence. Please quote the relevant references. When I put this question to the revisionist historians they stop appearing in these forums. If you are making up history I do understand. Its alright please do visit us and entertain us.
“visible and unearthed artifacts and monuments and stone inscriptions prove this point beyond doubt.”
Where are these visible stuffs?
“Vedda is clueless why not many erudite people answer his questions.”
I have made it clear in this forum that I am bit thick since all my teachers were either Tamils or Sinhalese. You have again proved yourself a stupid person when you said “The reason I think is Vedda try to act as if he is the all knowing pundit here.”
You state:
“Tamils tried to carve out a separate country in India as well. And they started it long before Muhammad Ali Jinna even dream of a Pakistan.”
Why did not they carve out their own separate country in India? Who did stop the Tamil Nadu Tamils carving out a country? Was it Rajabakse, Sarath Fonseka, Gota or the Sri Lankan army?
You say:
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ITAK declared war on Sinhalese at a mass rally on May 14, 1976 known as Waddukkodai resolution.”
Here we go again.
Have you ever considered verifying the above comment with what the actual resolution say about their struggle?
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Senguttuvan / October 19, 2012
Jinnah did not dream of Pakistan. It was the poetic and simplistic
dream of Poet Iqbal somewhere around 1920, which the Bombay Lawyer Jinnah cottoned onto. If one were to go by the
practical and intelligent analysis of the brillian Karachi daily “Dawn” the Pakistan idea is their own unmaking.
At the time there was a total Tamil population in the Tamil aras of the island (now the NEP) there were a large number of those identified as Sinhalese (indigenous, Veddah-mixed etc) in the rest of the island
which is why they were rendered a minority.
Fearing and calculating Tamils in the different countries as forming one single population is as simplistic as fearing the overseas Chinese population in the many in the countriews of the world coming in as one single political force. What can one do for the Sinhalese (around 15 million) fate of being the only and small population. Pogroms – where many Sinhalese participated happily and savagely – against the Tamils in 1958, 7/83 and 5/2009 is not the answer. Even if the smaller Tamil population cannot meet such a tragedy in the future, if it indeed is to happen with or without the army being part of it, the region and the world may not allow it.
Senguttuvan
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gamini / October 19, 2012
Senguttuvan, you say, ‘Even if the smaller Tamil population cannot meet such a tragedy in the future, if it indeed is to happen with or without the army being part of it, the region and the world may not allow it’. Do not be too sure as this International Society can never be trusted then, now or in the future or relied upon. What carnage thanks to the same ilk as VP and MR are no different. Both are megalomaniacs. The difference is when RW wanted to settle with Honour, he is accused by these Megalomaniacs as a Traitor. Just imagine if RW harboured KP, Karuna Amman, Pillayan crowd, what these Pseudo Patriots would do today. They probably would have burned the Country with their Deshapremi JVP who are ever ready to ignite violence at the drop of a hat. Just imagine for a moment the agony, pain and loss of life of hundreds of thousand both Tamils and Sinhalese paid, for the rest to understand? Have We understood anything from the carnage? I Wonder!
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Senguttuvan / October 19, 2012
Gamini – There are many things you write in these columns, raising yourself above racial and religios prejeudice, with which I agree. How one wishes your tribe may grow – and soon. VP was as much a megolomaniac as MR will not be contested – even by initiated Tamils. Ranil and his UNP Govt came very close to bring us the peace we yearn for – but the descendants of our Heroes of 1956, backed by the Buddhhist clerical heirarchy, demonised him as “pro-Tamil/LTTE, pro-Christian, pro-Indian, pro-American” and so forth and we have now gone back by several generations. Ranil, sadly, since then instead of uniting and strenghtening the UNP went about obliterating it – beyond recognition. He and his nature are his own enemy Sirisena Cooray told me once “Ranil will inflict a blow on the UNP from which it will never recover” Cooray is an experienced political student – though he had many faults too.
My fear is our lot will play disingenous politics for the next decade and force many of our people to flee – for their own economic survival. This is already happening as the middle class across the racial divide and the more educated are all
“escaping” Mark my words, the kallathoni journey will start on the reverse. Already, our IT folk and middle managers are looking to India for their survival. This, I fear, will grow because of mega corruption, mis-management, lawlessness and an unbearable economy here. Where are those champions who hoarsely claim from the comfort of their cozy zones they “saved the country from various perils over the last 2,500 years?” You and I will be called traitors and anti-Buddhist for this.
Senguttuvan
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gamini / October 19, 2012
Senguttuvan, I live with my own conviction and not according to what others think is right. I know Sirisena Cooray(Siri) from the days he was working for the Empire Cinema in the early ’60s. His rise in politics was due to his association with R. Premadasa, the comrades in crime who are responsible for many murders not only opponents but Members within the UNP as well. No matter Siri was a close associate, Premadasa never wanted to make him the PM as he knew him too well and he knew what would happen to him. Siri during his tenure as Mayor of Colombo for eleven years, he cultivated the underworld and the Tamil Community where Ganeshalingam was indebted to him. I can see you only know one side of Siri, the very innocent individual who would not hurt even a fly. That is how he projected himself, but he was a deadly character. The general story is that Premadasa was killed by Babu, his Cook who had access to kill Premadasa anytime at Sucharitha and he did not have to wait for May 1st and commit suicide. Babu could have killed Premadasa inside Suchartha and by the time it was discovered he would have gone beyond Elephant Pass. He need not have committed suicide. Babu was given a parcel to be quickly delivered to the Boss who was coming near Armour Street. As there is no bus service in that area Babu got on to his push bycicle and rode away to deliver the parcel to the Boss, not knowing it was a lethal bomb. When he came near Armour street he found Premadasa and he had no difficulty to approach him as his Security knew Babu well and allowed him through. No sooner he came within Premadasa’s sight, the bomb was triggered. The story that was immediately circulated was that Babu was a suicide bomber. Realising that no trace of a suicide jacket will be found by the Govt. Analyst,to stregthen the canard, the place was washed within half an hour using the Colombo Municipal Fire Brigade at the insistance of Siri who had immense influence over the Municipal Council. So Senguttuvan it was Ranil Wickremasinghe that saved the UNP from the murderous lot, when Siri was trying to come back to the UNP fold. Today there is no place in the UNP for Thugs and Murderers under RW. I believe what prompted Siri to eliminate Premadasa was because Siri much against Premadasa’s word not to kill Lalith Athulathmudali, had gone ahead and murdered Lalith. Thereafter Siri feared that Premadasa will allow Siri to be roped in for the murder, as Premadasa had said that he would reveal something about Lalith’s murder at the May 1st Meeting.
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Lanka Muslim, UK / October 25, 2012
What Gamini says is somewhat similar to what I too have heard. Premadasa whenever he spoke of the killing of Lalith never failed to say that one day the truth will be known and that he does not mind anything being said against but only not to assassinate his character. Still Premadasa is not absolutely innocent of several other killings that took place during his time.
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Senguttuvan / October 19, 2012
Tku, Gamini. I am no fan of Cooray, who was one of the first men to criminalise our political culture. He now lives in economic splendour down under allegedly with the loot he made in the illegal sale of land in the Nawala-Rajagiriya area – much of which was ear-marked by the UDA for rain-water disposal and storage. Thousands suffered when much of this got flooded on several occasions. Upali W would have been a boon to the country’s economic forward march; he was well above parochial and communal politics. He would have taken Sri Lanka economically much further than JRJ did – but he is no more. Who was behind the Thotalanga Bomb that wiped out much of the UNP leadership except one major politico in the area who should have been in the meeting from start to finish. MH Mohamed escaped by a hair’s breath.
I admire your loyalty to Ranil – but the man is now a wash out. As Cooray, Ranil’s major supporter at one time, was later to accuse him of destroying the UNP. I am glad the real story of Babu is coming out. Who can forget Hema Premadasa’s plea to Cooray within the vicinity of Premadasa’s dead body “now it is you who should protect my family and the country” Why did she say that?
If you go out to make enemies of regional and global powers by your ignorance and stupidity, in the tradtion of settling scores in the Kehelwatte areas, you must expect to pay the cost is possibly the lesson here.
Senguttuvan
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gamini / October 19, 2012
Senguttuvan, I am sorry I forgot to complete the story. After Premadasa was killed Siri did not vie for position in the Party or the UNP govt. He was on low profile. Siri allowed DB to become President so that Ranil would be the PM. Siri during that period worked very closely with Ranil. I doubt Ranil being unaware but he would have had to tolerate as GD was trying to make a come back. Siri was successful in blocking entry to GD although DB was comfortable with GD more than Ranil. All Siri’s plans went heywire after GD crept back and Ranil had to step down. The rest is history.
As for your comment,’I admire your loyalty to Ranil – but the man is now a wash out’. I do not know Ranil Wickremasinghe personally. I judge him from his conduct and his commitment. Never a Liar and one with a lot of Patience and Vission. My loyalty to him is for that. Sorry I will not hold with you, if you believe that he is a washout. You mark my word, Ranil Wickremasinghe will be the next PRESIDENT of this country. That is for certain. You may laugh at me for my suggestion, but wait and see. Good Luck and take care!
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Senguttuvan / October 19, 2012
Gamini – I do not dispute Ranil will be a better and more responsible President than the present lot – but the Buddhist Sinhala Supremacists and the various Mahanayakes will not allow him to function inspite of the Kelaniya Temple record of the family albeit a strong Christian flavour. We are not close friends but know each other. Maru Sira is not the only one with a gangland connection. Gonawala Sunil is not the only skeleton in Ranil’s cupboard. That – sadly for you, me and the country – is the nature of the country where now it is difficult to distinguish between the politician, the plunderer, the gangster and the otherwise venal insect. Gone are the days when Sir John told Emil Savundra, who wanted to get close to him, “you stay on your side of the street and I mine Will we ever get back those halcyon days?
Senguttuvan
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gamini / October 20, 2012
Senguttuvan, I must correct the position of Gonawela Sunil. The time Ranil as a young aspirant put to Kelaniya, Gonawela Sunil was a prominent supporter in the UNP, where the UNP had been already infiltrated with many a Underworld characters. To Ranil’s credit he never went to save GS after he got caught syphonning fuel from the pipe lines, where other Politicians have stretched their necks to save their catchers. I believe Ranil after this incident was very, vary of people and was aloof to all, including the known to an extent he is blamed for being snooty. So one cannot really blame him for the lack of PR.
As for your claim that, Ranil will not receive the Sinhala Supermacists support or that of the Mahanayake’s, believe me these Humbugs have lost their credence and clout. Now see what happened to the Humbugs of Asgiriya and Malwatte who conferred the title ‘Janaranjana’ on MR who also have connections to the Church, his wife being a Catholic? Now Malwatte even do not give an audience to MR after he was threatened that he will be bombed. If there is truely a free and fair election, that will be inevitable with more hardships being heaped on the masses, will not be able to keep RW down anymore. If Ranil was almost there, being accused as a traitor then, and now when the real Traitors get exposed breaking bread with the LTTE first to get elected and then as KP, Karuna Amman, Pillayan et al, and the unfolding evidence of the ‘massacre’, that will hit the stands at the right moment, let us see what will happen to this ‘Card Board Sando’?
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2012
gamini
says:
” You mark my word, Ranil Wickremasinghe will be the next PRESIDENT of this country”
Why do you think he has better chances than MR?
There is a long queue awaiting to grab the job, Namal, Basil, Gota, SD ………..Weerawansa, ….
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Mark Webber / October 20, 2012
And the Uruwariage Buru Putha also.
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Native Vedda / October 20, 2012
Mark Webber
Why not?
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H.M.W Nadasiri / October 20, 2012
13th Ameendment should be Abloised as quick as possible.Its originiated by IPKF of Indian, an Invaded By Indian Army.
Even LTTE opposes it.
No leagal MANADATE of ICTUS had been given FOR the 13th Amendment by People of this Island.We as nation cannot give any NO POLICE AND LAND POWER ONLY for TAMILS IN NORTH-EAST.
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gamini / October 20, 2012
Nandasiri, why can you not subscribe to the policy of giving land powers and police powers to the Tamils? The Tamils are asking these powers for the Provincial Councils in the North and the East and not of the whole country or as Tamils. Why, are they not citizens of this country? Are they not representing a Provincial Council as rightfully elected to govern? This refusal alone is evidence that the Tamils are discriminated in this country where they are born and bred. What is the fear the Sinhalese have if they develop the areas of North and East? Yes it will be bad for the Leaders of the South, as they will be exposed of their inefficiency and dishonesty? Nothing else. Once the NE is Developed, the Tamils can not take the NE anywhere else from this country.
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Justice / October 20, 2012
Interpol is unable to apprehend Sicille Kotelawala who is living in UK.
They cannot arrest KP either – unless the SLGovernment wants to hand him over.
He has, it is rumoured,handed over the LTTE Billions in banks abroad,to the government secretly.
Of the 21 ships owned by LTTE,one was handed over by KP – there was a picture in the media – then,the matter was allowed to die a atural death.The media too cooperated.
In Sri Lanka,’bootlicking with unconditional surrender’is the price of freedom – personal, & from prosecution for crimes commited – KP did it and is now a free man.His Thai wife & children have been abandoned.
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Senguttuvan / October 20, 2012
Gamini – In Land and Police powers to the PC’s in both the Centre retains executive veto action. If the PC does something which the Centre feels is inimical to National interest, the Constitution provides for remedial action. So with the Chief Minister, who can be removed by the Centre, as done many times in neighbouring federal India. The canard spread by the JHU, Weerawansa’s cabal and the Sinhala supremacits that the moment a Tamil takes over as CM to the NP/NEP he will straight-away integrate with Tamilnadu is in the way here. The imagination of the Sinhala south has been mischievously subverted here from ground reality is so plain to see.
The other reason why the Rajapakses are dead against allowing PCs to the NP/NEP is they fear, in a short time, the international community and Tamil diaspora investments/FDIs will develop the Tamil areas to move rapidly into gradual prosperity by passing a South muddled up in lawlessness, corruption and venality. Our FDI flow record shows investors are reluctant to place their money in Southern Sri Lanka in a substantial way because of the manipulated stock/financial market, utterly dishonest culture and crooks who move with sheer impunity with State support and encouragement here. Look at the chronic state of the Stock Market, the quarrel between the Central Bank and the Finance Ministry, an ineffective and dictated to Cabinet,
a suspect judiciary and a muzzled Press – just to mention a few failures.
And now that Geneve is due in November, the very “peace-reconciliation oriented” MR is ready at last to jaw with the Diaspora Tamils (LTTErs, Separatists so far) and the TNA (“forget the past, friends, and let’s start again”) All what we will see is half-a plane load of Govt “Yes” men and women emerging from the diaspora in the next few weeks – who do not enjoy authority from the diaspora Tamils to negotiate on their behalf. Is the Sinhala word “konde bandhapu Chinonta hondai” relevant here?
The way out, as you can see – Gamini, is to allow the Tamils their inalienable right to have their own PC PRONTO in the North and also withdraw all steps and action of recent decades that went out to render the Tamils a minority in the EP. This was done by hundreds of projects of State-aided Colonisation all of which should be done away with. In a recent visit to Toronto, my cousin took me to a Grocery Store widely believed to have been originally funded with LTTE funds.
I saw dozens of bottles marked “Lunu Miris” in a Store patronised almost 100% by Tamils. Most of these non-Sinhala speaking customers were asking for the culinary explosive in the Sinhala term. That is one example that Sinhalese and Tamils can embrace each other again, if you like.
Peace and early Reconciliation are not impossible despite the deep wounds. These require Statesmanship, political courage, leadership – and, above all – an accomodating, wise and visionary Buddhist clerical leadership and a more sensible Buddhist Sinhala Supremacist leadership
to be part of a serious discourse.
Senguttuvan
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gamini / October 21, 2012
Senguttuvan, I am sure you would have heard of the trust between traders of Jaffna who did business with the Sinhala counterparts from the South. So much so the Pettah Comodity market was monopolised by the Tamils. The market thrived with harmony and the business was good. Many benifited from the trade, direct and indirect. Then the Communal Politics ruined everything and all are affected now. As you say one reason the MR Govt. does not want to give Police powers and Land Powers to a NE PC is mainly because if the NE develop fast leaving the South behind, which will, is going to be disadvantages to the Corrupt Politicians of the South. Otherwise what harm in giving Police powers to the North? It is not a case that it will result, that Such a Police force will harass the Sinhalese if any living in the NE. Then they can complain to the South. In actual fact, establishment of such a Police Force in the NE will be responsible to Police their own Tamils maintaining Law and Order and I am sure they would do a better job than their counterparts in the South, who are pathetically servile to their Political masters. Then as for the land powers, some entertain the fear that properties owned by non Tamils will be subject to seizure. What about properties owned by Tamils in the South? Hence will the Tamils do something illegal to rouse counter action in the South? Very unlikely. No, the problem of Real Devolution to the NE is for the INHERENT FEAR of the Politicians of the Southern Sinhalese that the NE will surpass the Development in the South and they will be exposed badly.
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Senguttuvan / October 21, 2012
Gamini – I had investments in the Pettah Commodity market where I was a significant player for decades. Since 7/83 the Sinhala supremacists with political patronage and virtually unsecured State Bank credit have altered the Status Quo. Shanmugam-Subramaniam Mudalalis, who were leading in the Commodity trade were gunned down in 1987. Kala Sri, the Sugar millionaire of Old Moor Street was abducted (in Cbo 7 in the morning) and reported killed. My friend, the industrialist and Cinema moghul K. Gunaratnam was also shot and killed late morning opposite his office at Armour Street, Colombo 12. By whom and what happened to the enquiry that began in 1987/88??? The message now is “you can do business, in a small way. The larger role belongs to the Sinhala Buddhists” The generations old jewellery traders in Sea Street, Pettah know their time is up. Indira Gandhi is not there to protect them as she did in 7/83 when Hema and Premadasa were greedy to buy the entire Sea Street jewellery trade. So much so for a secular society under constitional protection.
As to Land Power, do you remember the learned Colvin R de Silva’s wise and judicious pronouncment “In land allocation, the 1st priority is the people of the area; if there are no claimants, then the people of the District; if this is absent then the people in the rest of the Island” Do we have politicians of that fairness and intelligence today? Let the State publish a list of Crown Land allotments since
1948 and you will not be surprised why some Tamil people have given up the idea of being considered part of the country.
If the Tamils in the NP/NEP manage to secure justice peacefully to run their affairs (within an undivided country, I must add) believe me
in 5 years the NEP will realise a Per Capita of $6,000; $10,000 five years hence and to $15,000 five from there. This will result in at least 25/50% from the diaspora coming back. Now do you realise why the Rajapakses – aided by the Buddhist Clergy and the Sinhala extremists do not want to allow the Tamils their inalienable right to carry on their God-given right – assured by the UN Charter. The Sinhala South will also gain, with (1) a 1st class airport in Jaffna (2) an efficient harbour at KKS (3) 1 fully-integrated 1st class University working with the best in the world (4) a growing banking system with the presencce of some of the best in the world.
This is not day dreaming. This can be made into reality. Who knows even billions of Rajapakse $ (now in Canada/EU, UK, Australia) too might find a place there – if the rules are relaxed.
Tku, my friend/Senguttuvan
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gamini / October 21, 2012
Senguttuvan, I am not making an overated statement or with any prejudice, but I am sure if the NE is allowed autonomy, it certainly will be the wonder of Asia and a roll model for the Sinhalese, who will clamour for employment in the NE. This will result, the South ridding the present parasites of Politicians with a more committed and an honest set to take over and this country can certainly develop for all to lead a better life.
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Senguttuvan / October 21, 2012
Gamini – Tamils are not overly bent on “doing better” than others. What they want is to be allowed to live their simple lives freely – without harrassment and assault on their persons/property – they are allowed to educate their children and engage in their religious practises – both precious to them for millenia; they are allowed to continue to develop their cultures and rituals; due proportion of the country’s resource allocations are made to them to develop their agriculture, fishing and other economic activities; enabling action for their relaives and kins in the Diaspora to invest in the development of the region and so on. They have no interest in “teaching a lesson” to anyone or to link with neighbouring countries in action inimical to their Motherland. They want to live with their countrymen – “cousins” if you will allow me – on equal terms as done prior to 1956. To reach this goal we need the goodwill and cooperation of our Sinhala brothers like you and many others who sincerely wish for a United Sri Lanka.
Senguttuvan
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gamini / October 22, 2012
My analysis of this new beed of Sinhalese Buddhist Patriots driven by non pod Politicans suffer from a complex of JEALOUSY. These Politicians have been successful in driving them first against the Sinhalese themselves shouting down with Capitalism, only for those Politiciaans to become better Capitalists than the ones they pulled down. Thereafter these corrupt, cunning Politicians diverted the attention of these mobs towards the Tamils. Today Jealousy has become a Trait next to Buddhism.
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Uthungan / October 21, 2012
Continuing from the point where Senguttuvan ended his comment,let me add that if racial self-identity in Lanka is to be buried or cremated for all times then it is high time that we realized the fact that if we are serious about it, then we must be prepared to premise it on the scientific understnding and reasoning of the play of the island’s historic and social forces and it’s dynamics and eliminate the psychological barricades which impead and hamper progress and development.
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Native Vedda / October 22, 2012
David Blacker:
“Maybe he sent you an SMS that he was going to surrender, Jungle Boy, but so far there is no evidence of any attempt to surrender”
Perhaps the SMS was lost in translation city slicker.
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David Blacker / October 22, 2012
Yes, clearly you got the wrong translation.
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Native Vedda / October 22, 2012
David Blacker:
“Yes, clearly you got the wrong translation.”
Next time around I will contact you.
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Native Vedda / October 22, 2012
Native Vedda
Did VP surrender on or before 17th May 2009?
If so where was he kept?
Who else did meet him apart from Sarath?
Did the president meet VP “dead or alive”?
There are sources close to armed forces have another version of VP’s surrender, torture and his eventual death which is completely different to yours.
I am pondering whether the security establishment is using you to dis-inform people like me.
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David Blacker / October 22, 2012
“Next time around I will contact you.”
You mean if VP comes back from the dead and sends you a text the next time he wants to surrender? Ok, I’ll wait for your call.
“Did VP surrender on or before 17th May 2009?”
From one end of the spectrum (CA Chandraprema) to the other (DBS Jeyaraj), they agree that VP was killed in combat.
“Who else did meet him apart from Sarath?”
Sarath who? If you mean Fonseka, there is no indication that SF met VP.
“Did the president meet VP “dead or alive”?”
Can you quote any reputable source that says he did?
“There are sources close to armed forces have another version of VP’s surrender, torture and his eventual death which is completely different to yours”
Where have I put forward any version of my own?
“I am pondering whether the security establishment is using you to dis-inform people like me.”
Are they using DBS Jeyaraj also, Jungle Boy, to fool you?
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Senguttuvan / October 22, 2012
Uthungan’s perception of the future Lankan family is romantically ideal – but in the ground reality obtaining, there is far too a gap between the ideal and real. The very forces that divided the country – the Buddhist clergy – must come forward to lead the healing and uniting process. Will and can they?
Gamini – The commercial-industrial leadership of the Sinhala class is built for some years now on State patriotism. There is nothing ENTIRELY wrong in that but, in fairness to others in the Lankan family, there should be a level playing field in the disbursement of resources in the banking sector. The nexus between patriotism and State resources can become toxic if utilised wrongly. Athulathmudali caused the loss of billions of State bank funds in propping up the collapsed Garment giant Mayura/Ratmalana. President Wijetunge was involved in unsecured mega-loans to the Kasturiaratchis (?) in their Sugar/Commodity imports and they fell squandering State bank funds.
Dasa Mudalali – ditto. Nawaloka functions on State bank largesses.
The point here is Banks – both State and private – should be allowed to implement their independent lending policies. This is not easy.
Edgar Gunatunga confesses JRJ intervened during his time to stop lending to one side unfavouable to him. CBK stopped the facilities to a successful industrialist I knew well who brought in, inter alia, a 1st class 5 star hotel into the country. By that time he had dozens of successful garment factories, super-markets and so on. In the matter of State Capital the larger Tamil entreprenauers are kept away on various flimsy excuses. Most bigger Tamil businessmen I know are convinced their development and progress is numbered in this partial culture and will relocate to the NEP if that part of the country is
allowed to develop under normal conditions. The other negative feature here is the banking sector is dominated by undesirables with dubious backgrounds.
Senguttuvan
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