By Dayan Jayatilleka –
“The Tamil Tigers…were the most supremely deadly and effective terrorist group to emerge at any time in the second half of the 20th century…There is no overall moral equivalence between the government of Sri Lanka and the Tigers.” – Greg Sheridan, Foreign Editor, The Australian, ‘Sri Lanka’s Path to Peace’ Sept 13, 2013
When the most authoritative commentator on Tamil politics, DBS Jeyaraj exposes (in his latest piece) proto-secessionist and pro-terrorist discourse on the part of the main Tamil parliamentary party the TNA, it gets my attention. It would take an idiot to ignore it. (‘Wigneswaran Praises Prabhakaran at Velvettiturai’, Daily Mirror, Sept 14th 2013).
The TNA is not a secessionist party, but when it is reliably reported that it has not broken with the secessionist paradigm and even flirts with dangerous secessionist discourse and symbolism, it must be recognised that Sri Lanka simply doesn’t possess the geostrategic space to regard the signs as unthreatening and unproblematic.
A call for a measure of ‘self-rule’, ‘self-government’ or ‘self-administration’ within a united country is entirely legitimate. The demand for the full implementation of the existing provisions for a measure of self rule within a unitary state, as enshrined in the 13th amendment, is also entirely legitimate. However, this isn’t all there is to it, as DBS Jeyaraj reveals:
“…Tamil nationalist politics in Sri Lanka, Tamil Nadu and within the global Tamil Diaspora continues to be under the shadow of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)notwithstanding the fact that the Tigers are no more in Sri Lanka. Despite the LTTE being a non-entity in the Island, many Sri Lankan Tamil politicians of the Tamil National Alliance refuse to be liberated from the residual hold of the Liberation Tigers…
…There is no open articulation of ‘‘Tamil Eelam’’ by frontline contestants. Substitute code-words for a separate state however are in use.
…All these terms and phrases are outwardly innocuous and can be explained away as being within the ambit of elections to a provincial unit. Yet the context of such usages on electoral platforms evoke a secessionist mood and fervour very much alike the 1977 campaign of the Tamil United Liberation front (TULF) that sought a mandate for Tamil Eelam.” (‘Why and How Ex- SC Judge CV Wigneswaran Praised LTTE Leader Prabhakaran as a Great Hero’)
The TNA is not duplicitous as many Sinhala political personalities and propagandists argue. It is however, dualistic and vacillating. The positive side of the TNA and its forthcoming victory is seen in the excellent interview that Justice Wigneswaran has given Meera Srinivasan of The Hindu, in which he says that Tamil Nadu political elements have no right to say that a bickering husband and wife, i.e. the Sinhalese and Tamils, should divorce. The negative aspect of the TNA is of course manifested in its manifesto (pun intended).
The TNA manifesto is not secessionist. It does however keep the door ajar for secessionism. It does so not by calling for federalism or identifying the North and East as a homeland. Federalism and the idea of a Tamil homeland are entirely debatable but legitimate. What is tricky is the combination contained in the manifesto of the notion that the Tamil people, rather than the citizenry, the people of the island as a whole, are the repository of sovereignty, and the unqualified claim of the right of self determination.
Those of us who live in South Asia know exactly what this can mean, because this was the basis on which Jinnah seceded and more pertinently, the basis on which the struggle for secession is waged in Kashmir. This is why India does not accept any right of self-determination of peoples within a country’s borders. Within India, self-determination is one of the red lines of the central Government and therefore it remains a red line in diplomatic forums where Kashmir is mentioned.
The TNA’s leaders are sufficiently educated to be aware that it is perfectly possible to call for a federal system without embedding or invoking the right of self determination and that hardly any federal system (with exceptions that you could easily count of the fingers of one hand) recognises the right of self-determination. This is truer still of systems of devolution and regional/provincial autonomy.
The TNA leaders also know that without explicit and unambiguous qualification to the contrary, the right of self determination per se extends to the right to political independence.
Irresponsible Tamil politics will render toxic the social atmosphere and rip the social fabric of coexistence on the island. DBS writes:
“… Utilising the political space of the election campaign the LTTE is being praised and the current situation deplored. Prabhakaran’s reign is being projected as the ‘golden phase of the Eelam Tamils’.
An important method of such mobilisation is the use of songs. Propaganda efforts for the Tamil armed struggle have led to the usage of a number of popular songs. These range from the borrowing of appropriate songs from mainstream Tamil films to songs specifically written, composed, sung and recorded by the LTTE or its front organizations. Most of these songs were not heard of publicly after the LTTE military defeat of May 2009.But now these songs were being heard again and heard loudly, under the auspices of the TNA election campaign. Even a new audio CD of former pro-Tiger singer ‘Thenisai’ Chellappah has been specially commissioned for the elections.”
“…Last week saw Wigneswaran in Valvettithurai (VVT) the native village of LTTE supremo Velupillai Prabhakaran and the cradle of armed Tamil militancy. Wigneswaran delivered a thundering speech to an audience consisting mainly of people from VVT and neighbouring areas.
Wigneswaran stated there that Prabhakaran the son of VVT soil was a great hero and not a terrorist. ‘‘Pirapakaran oru payangaravathiyalla. Avar Thamil Inathin Viduthalikkaaha Poaradiya oru Maha Veeran’’ (“Prabhakaran is not a terrorist. He is a great hero who fought for the freedom of the Tamil people”) re-iterated Wigneswaran on Valvettithurai soil.” (Ibid)
This campaign by the TNA will entrench the status quo, or worse, reinforce the powerful Southern hawks and their hard-line. If the LTTE’s obduracy and the TNA’s fellow travelling were responsible for the backlash that took Mahinda Rajapaksa to the Presidency, it shouldn’t be rocket science to figure out the next level to which the Tamil Diaspora driven pro-Tiger stance of the TNA will succeed in taking us—and to the benefit of which (and whose) project.
The TNA’s electoral rhetoric is in the same category that got the Basque parliamentary party Herri Batasuna gavelled out of the game by the Spanish courts. The collective mentality it represents is what made the TNA reject Chandrika Bandaranaike’s quasi-federal proposals of 1995, 1997 and 2000. It is also what made the TNA, while still engaged in post-war talks with the Rajapaksa administration, produce a lengthy exegesis of the UNSG’s PoE (‘Darusman’) Report in which it improbably accused the ‘deep penetration teams’ of the Sri Lankan armed forces of killing ‘tens of thousands of Tamils’ and follow this up months later with a near 100 page document of which the first 70 plus pages were a slashing critique of the LLRC Report (while in the last 30, the Report was “damned with faint praise”)!
The failure of Tamil communities in the liberal First World to absorb and replicate the values of these societies by producing a moderate Tamil political alternative; the fealty of even well-educated Tamils to the memory of the Hitleresque Prabhakaran; the bitter reaction to the movie Madras Cafe, coupled with a continued refusal to denounce the murder of Rajiv Gandhi by the Tigers, reveal not only the commitment of Tamil nationalism to a secessionist project but also the covertly/latently fanatical and politically fundamentalist character of Tamil nationalist consciousness itself.
The challenge to Sri Lankan leaders and policy makers is to retain rather than abolish the system of provincial devolution even in the face of such political provocation, while managing the elected Council prudently and vigilantly. One must not confuse advocacy of or support for an institution or a structural reform, with endorsement of the political ideas and project of those who would be elected to and occupy that structure. Just as the support and defence of the institutions of democracy such as the legislature in no way precludes frontal politico-ideological opposition to any administration anywhere in the world, one may support provincial devolution and the 13th amendment as imperative for the management of Sri Lanka’s inter-ethnic (and external) relations, while criticising or opposing the political discourse of the TNA. Resistance to and resolute containment of the Tamil nationalist project must not extend to repeal of the reform itself.
Over the long term, devolution will be safe only when two factors coincide: (a) the Tamil nationalism can be rendered sufficiently malleable and moderate as to elect a party/leadership which is a realistic and responsible partner (which may well be Messrs Devananda and Thavarajah’s EPDP) and (b) the Sinhalese elect a moderate patriot who is tough on sovereignty, secessionism and security while soft on minority rights.
The international community and most notably India and the West must learn the lessons of contemporary history. A reason for the failure of their successive attempts at a negotiated peace when far more dovish administrations were in office in Colombo, was that Tamil nationalist interlocutors – the LTTE’s negotiators and influential elements of Tamil civil society—were simply dissembling, taking the world for a ride. The orientation of the Sri Lankan state, armed forces and public opinion towards Russia and China is sourced in the refusal of these powers to be played for suckers. The same Tamil nationalist constituency or social formation has been doing it again; acting as secessionist fellow-travellers, singing from the same hymn sheet of perennial victimhood and renunciation of responsibility while implicitly making the case for internationally supported partition.
It is not always the case that secessionist sentiment is the result of harsh ethno-national oppression. Often it is simply a case of the awareness of a separate identity and the desire to manifest it in the form of independent political existence or the retention of an option for secession. Scotland, Catalonia and Quebec are examples.
The space for tolerant accommodation of such secessionist sentiment is strictly contingent on geographic, demographic and historical realities. What if France had been the neighbour of Quebec instead of an ocean away? What if Scotland possessed a giant neighbour of co-ethnics and English been spoken only in England rather than near-universally? What if Catalonia had a large neighbour who spoke Catalan while Spanish was not a global language? Surely the response on the part of the state and the majority of citizenry to secessionism however peaceful would not have been what it is today.
Given the realities of the demographic composition of post-war Sri Lanka, the Tamil question in Sri Lanka must not be lodged in the paradigm of self determination but in the paradigm of the rights of ethnic minorities– including that of provincial autonomy– and equality of citizenship. The Tamil nationalist insistence on the Tamils as a distinct people with the right of self-determination is a diversion from the struggle for minority rights, equality and anti-discrimination. Every effort must be made to struggle for these as essential to a just, sustainable post-war peace.
The West and even India (though less so) can afford to be taken for a ride again. They can afford to be played for suckers. Sri Lanka cannot. It will be a long cold war between the Sri Lankan state (under whichever administration) and global Tamil nationalism; a protracted struggle which may require internal regime replacement if any administration places the State, the country and future generations of its citizenry in danger of losing the existentially crucial contest.
*The author was Minister of Youth Affairs and Planning of the North-East Provincial Council 1988-89
Fathima Fukushima / September 14, 2013
Dayan J lost the faith of Sinhalese.
Now he is losing Tamils’ faith as well.
What a double tragedy. Dear Dayan, I think you should contest in an election to see how many “modarates” are actually there in SL. The answer will surprise you.
RIP Dayan.
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kali / September 14, 2013
Frnkly none ( no moderates)you Fuk U Shima because you lot are in the majorit 99.9%
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Fathima Fukushima / September 15, 2013
You Thamuls f-ed up in the Nanthikandal lagoon!!
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sanath / September 15, 2013
kali
your creativity in reading names is noteworthy.:-)
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Fathima Fukushima / September 14, 2013
“Prabhakaran is not a terrorist. He is a great hero who fought for the freedom of the Tamil people.”
Heroes never surrender with white flags. Only COWARDS do.
According to rumours he did very low acts just before he died. Not even an animal or a slave would do such LOW acts.
If this is a hero of Tamil people, we can only imagine how low the other Tamils who worship him are!!
Tamils worship Prabhakaran.
Prabhakaran worship the army.
So Tamil people (through Prabhakaran) worship the army!
The army worships Rajafucksas.
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Mahen / September 14, 2013
“According to rumours he did very low acts just before he died. Not even an animal or a slave would do such LOW acts.”
Fukushima, then you do believe rumours!
There are even rumours, that significant numbers believe, saying Prabaharan is alive…… Do you believe that as well?
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kali / September 14, 2013
Fat “Mama” Fuk U Shima, you Halal eating smelly Tart.You are now beginning to smell of Sinhalese racism despite eating a lot of Halal.
Even U Fuk Rajafucksas is not enough.
Change your identity (because your message is the same) before you become pregnant with the BBS baby. You can run but you cannt hide.
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Fathima Fukushima / September 15, 2013
Kali = Isaipiriya!!
Or Dwarka?
Both were good.
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kali / September 15, 2013
Fuk U Shima BBS is even better. Once they have gone through and cleaned your Scrotum you will stop smelling. But by then you would be infertile and even a donkey will not be attacted to your ……
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Thiru / September 15, 2013
Kali,
Keep your creativity going! It’s fun.
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Native Vedda / September 15, 2013
kali
Fathima Fukushima is another Avatar of Jimmy the Softy.
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Ajith / September 14, 2013
Fathima,
Do you know the meaning of COWARDS.
CORRUPTED (CO) WAR CRIMINAL (WA) RAJAPAKSE (R) DOGS (DS).
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Fathima Fukushima / September 15, 2013
Truthfully, Rajafucksas didn’t consume excreta and drink urine for survival!!
Rajafucksas didn’t come with white flags for SURRENDER!!
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Thiru / September 15, 2013
I think ‘Rajafucksasa’ is copy-right protected by kali, you have to get his permission to use it!
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kali / September 15, 2013
Thirugnasambanthan,
‘Rajafucksasa ( Rajafucks ass )
Yours is an imitation I am sorry mate I dont handle imitations
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Jim softy / September 15, 2013
Tamil hero, Prabhakaran too killed little kids because they did not join his killing spree, He used pregnant women for digging trenches, his men raped tamil girls and made them to be suicide bombers, he killed his girl friend because it ………..
That looks like typical Tamil Leadership except,this time, it was a LOW CASTE CYCLE THIEF of the JAFFNA STREETS who became the HIGH CASTE VELLAHLA Tamil and oppressed his VERY own low castes.
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Ajith / September 14, 2013
Dayan,
You are not different to any Sinhala racist. Can you tell why you Sinhalese agreed for a ceasefire agreement proposed by LTTE and what proposals you agreed to discuss with LTTE to resolve the National problem?
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Fathima Fukushima / September 14, 2013
Why they signed a ceasefire agreement?
To split the LTTE (Karuna) and pit Tamils against Tamils. :)
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Dr Dayan Jayatilleka / September 14, 2013
And DBS Jeyaraj? Is he also not different from any Sinhala racist? :))
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gamini / September 14, 2013
DBSJ is another Tamil along with the KP faction that betrayed VP and the LTTE to side with MR. DBSJ wrote about an abduction of KP with minute details as if he saw the drama, while living thousands of miles away. Although DBSJ tried to make it appear that KP was abducted, in effect KP was escorted from Malaysia via Bangkok to Sri Lanka. These are the Tamils who have betrayed the Tamil Cause and now realizing they will lose out to the TNA under Vigneswaran are worried about their future. Looks like KP’s plan of trying to return with Daya Master et al to gain control of the North under MR has gone awry.
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Siva / September 14, 2013
DBSJ was anti-LTTE right from the beginning and he never had any support from the Tamils in Canada where he lives. After becoming old and sick, the only way some of the journalists earn their daily bread is by selling themselves and besmirching the honor of their profession. The SL regime has bought DBSJ just the way they bought DJ a few years ago (now discarded like a curry leaf). Here, DBSJ is simply singing for his supper.
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Anpu / September 15, 2013
Dr DJ,
Why don’t you answer the questions put to you by Ajith?
Why are you bringing in DBSJ? Next are you going to ask – Is Buddha a racist?
Thanks
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A. Friend / September 15, 2013
Of course there are tmils who work for this government. DB is one of them and most Tamil know that. Most Tamils dont even know him, but you think he is the most authoritative writer. Why? you guys work for the same agenda.
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A. Friend / September 15, 2013
One more thing my dear dayan, you love those Tamils who kiss Rajapaksa as. You know why? you are another Sinhala racist who cannot digest a normal Tamil with self respect.
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Ajith / September 15, 2013
Dayan,
Read the comment and answer the question?
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Thiru / September 15, 2013
DBS is a panthangkaraya!
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Fathima Fukushima / September 15, 2013
Truthfully, Rajafucksas didn’t consume excreta and drank urine for survival!!
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Thiru / September 14, 2013
Dayan Jayatilleka is confounding everybody for resons best known to him.
He is like the brahmin priest reciting mantras in Sanskrit in Hindu temples so that the Tamil the devotees don’t understand, but mystified about by whatever he is reciting.
Basically D J has the Sinhalese extremist mold: He cannot be a Wikramabahu Karunaratne, who holds on to his principles!
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Samrat / September 14, 2013
Sinhala intellectuals as usual are found to be advising TNA more than the Sinhala govt in whose welfare they have a stake since they know that all the advices to Sinhala govt will either result in white van ride or will fall in deaf ears.
TNA has asked for the mandate of Northern tamils about its ideas & what makes all these So called Sinhala intellectuals to prematurely reject them instead of waiting to hear the democratic voices from North ?
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Sri / September 14, 2013
According to Dayan, “Over the long term, devolution will be safe only when two factors coincide: (a) the Tamil nationalism can be rendered sufficiently malleable and moderate as to elect a party/leadership which is a realistic and responsible partner (which may well be Messrs Devananda and Thavarajah’s EPDP) and (b) the Sinhalese elect a moderate patriot who is tough on sovereignty, secessionism and security while soft on minority rights”
Wishful thinging!or manipulative democracy!
So you admit that Mahinda is not a moderate patriot! Then who is he?
A racist patriot? You are sure he is a patriot Whereas Wigneswaran is not?
Well!
Devolution is meaningless if you have a moderate or racist patriot and a collaborator to work out devolution, There is nothing for these parties to work out!
Dayan you are not a democrat! what happened to your realism? You are arealist only when it suits you!
You want to pick and choose your opponents and have a mock election like how they do in Cuba
On the contrary it is a challenge to have a racist patriot like Mahinda and a Tamil nationalist like wigneswaran to work in partnership to make devolution a success.
Why you fear TNA victory to a toothless NPC when 13 A has more than sufficient safeguards and then there is a well trained army to deal with unarmed Tamil nationalists.
If necessary you can have even another weliveria? .
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Naga / September 14, 2013
As clearly illustrated by DBS Jeyaraj in his article appearing in his blog, LTTE elements appear to have hijacked the TNA.
TNA’s election manifesto is replete with the LTTE themes like self determination, homeland, North-East merger etc.etc. As correctly pointed out by Jeyaraj, LTTE singer Thenisai Chellapah’s newly made songs in praise of TNA have the same emotional message as did his recordings in praise of LTTE and its leader Prabaharan. These songs are not just being played in Sri Lanka’s Northern Province at TNA election rallies but are also being played by pro-LTTE Tamil radio stations in countries like Australia. The very same elements who collected funds for LTTE are now collecting funds in Australia allegedly for TNA election campaign. These Tamil radio stations are even exhorting Diaspora Tamils to urge their relatives in Northern Sri Lanka to vote for TNA.
Jeyaraj says “The politicization of Wigneswaran seems to have transformed the eminent jurist into a third –grade politico who is simply playing to the gallery to garner more votes.” He may even descend to the level of politicians like Mervyn Silva. His statement at the VVT rally that Prabaharan was not a terrorist is most deplorable. In another rally Vigneswaran made yet another abusrd statement saying that the Northern Provincial Council is the next stage of the freedom struggle of the Tamils. This is a man who as a judge sent to jail many Tamil youths under the infamous Prevention of Terrorism Act on charges of being LTTE suspects.
In the lead up to the NPC election, Tamil Diaspora media are only projecting TNA candidates like former LTTE commander Eiliyan’s wife and those who show pro-LTTE credentials. Elilan’s wife meeting UNHCHR chief Pillay was splashed as big news by these media.I have not seen or heard of any mention in these media about other TNA candidates like TULF leader Anandasangari or PLOTE leader Sitharthan. These two Tamil leaders have been completely blacked out by the Tamil Diaspora media as well as the Sri Lankan Tamil media.
TNA leaders by their racist speeches and propaganda are once again inflaming the Tamils youths in the same way TULF did in 1977. I am afraid TNA will lead the Tamils to another Nandikadal.
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Cincinattus / September 14, 2013
Editor
Colombo Telegraph
Sir:
You very properly censor personal attacks and charascter assasinaition on your pages.
I think you should consider
censoring incoheren nonsense too.A good example is the drivel that one Fatthima Fukushima produces in your pages.Her comments are as nonsensical as her pseudonym.
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backlash / September 14, 2013
I agree with Cincinnatus. Not just Fukku but many others too
but this idiotic Fukku is the giddy limit. Then there are those foul-mouthed angry punks like Donald Gnanakone, Peter Chetty and others
whose keyboards need daily soap-and-water treatment. But then CT tries to observe the rules of freedom of speech where readers are expected to be their own censors. It sure ain’t a perfect world.
Backlash
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Fathima Fukushima / September 15, 2013
Shoot the messenger? You are no different to the killer of Lasantha. Lasantha’s exposes would have hurt the Rajas as much as my TRUTH hurts you!
Truth hurts! Learn to live with it. :)
Why Fukushima? Because I have visited and helped the victims in Fukushima in the true spirit of generosity only a true Muslim would understand. No wonder other religions are not as generous as Islam.
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kali / September 15, 2013
Cin Cin Attus,
Fuk U Shima is not a Woman but half Animal 1/4 Woman 1/4 Man. In other words an Animal Transvestite with a Natural Hatred for anything resembling Tamil. You find many in the Wilpathu Jungle but the difference is that this one is a Guard …… in a Sinhalse Household namely MR
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Peter Casie Chetty / September 15, 2013
I agree. Why are some comment that are civic deleted and all this filth and personal attacks allowed to appear? I have asked you before why you allow people to use pseudonyms and not the proper names? Only cowards can be that afraid. I did not like the LTTE and I made it known with my name published.
Not liking the LTTE does not mean I have any adverse feeling for peace loving Tamils.
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Backlash / September 15, 2013
Peter Chetty is against pseudonyms and still says he was/is a journo. The reality is the man was always a junior reporter. Surely, he has heard of Flybynight, Migara, Suranimala,
Taraki, Outsider – some of our finest and celebrated senior journalists – who used them for long. British journalism and literature are full of them resulting. We followed suit. If Lasantha also wrote under one he would probably with us today. As the old adage goes, different maladies to different ills.
Backlash
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Safa / September 14, 2013
Self determination should be within the constitutional constraints and laws of the land. No one can be absolved from following the laws of the country. The law is a blind ass and does not discriminate based on race, religon or creed (ideally). As the President has said today, what is available for the people in the south will be given to the people in the north. We hope he will keep to his word irrespective of who wins the Northern election.
The present abberation in the constitution and legal system, the corruption of the political system, the erosion of human rights, the problem of militarisation, the issue of religous extremism, affect all people in this country regardless of ethnicity. The minorities are more at risk and vurnerable. These problems have to be dealt with within the democratic framework by all concerned parties. Any changes to the constitution should take place within a broad nationwide framework with the consensus of all citizens.
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Kettikaran / September 14, 2013
There was always the speculation what DBSJ does to make a living for him and his family in expensive Toronto, Canada. Tamilweek did not bring him much income and neither does his occasional articles in Sri
Lankan English dailies. Tamilweek lost its readership after DBSJ did
away with Readers’ comments. [Edited out] From the time Justice CV was
nominated GoSL launched toxic attacks on him and his candidature – Ceylon Daily News doing the hatchet job shamelessly. DBSJ too attacked
CV subtly and in different ways. This focus on the judge having praised the LTTE chief – only a week before the Elections – is certainly aimed at rousing the Sinhala side. Is it timing that makes Dayan J do a job for the Rajapakses in the same trajectory. Tamils in the diaspora outside LTTE ranks have always known the double life of DBSJ.
If the NP elections were fair and voters not harassed and intimidated,
TNA will get over 80% of the 7 lakh votes. But with the army, the proxies and Tamil Quislings doing their part, with Govt lackeys in the Election Commissioner’s Dept shifting to high gear – TNA will get around 40-50% of the votes – barring any serious incident between now and 9/21.
Kettikaran
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Senguttuvan / September 14, 2013
“It is not always the case that secessionist sentiment is the result of harsh ethno-national oppression. Often it is simply a case of the awareness of a separate identity and the desire to manifest it in the form of independent political existence or the retention of an option for secession”..But then the story of people in plural societies trying to create their own identity is not the same everywhere. In Ceylon (1956-1972) it began with thrashing at Galle Face green by
State-sponsored thugs merely for the Tamils asking for their language rights. Tamils were conditioned to live as 2nd class citizens on the imagined whims and fancies of the majority since then. Things only got worse and not better since then – and so Mr Prabakaran arrived in the scene with his own prescription for change and perceived justice. A modern combined armed force of about 400,000 was thrown to obliterate his rag-tag army of 15-20,000 shoes cadres (State estimate) but the civilian killed and/or missing exceeded 300,000. Justice for Tamils, like waiting for Godot, has still not arrived despite the LLRC that is nearly 2 years old. Basil R warns unless Govt men are returned on 9/21 there will be no funds coming in from Colombo for development ??? Many Tamils may not agree with Prabakaran, his fascism or the way he went about with his politics harming also many Tamils. But to
each and every Tamil in the world he is not 100% a monster. He gave his
future and his life and that of his entire family to protect and fight for the Lankan Tamils. Many have commented if not for him and the LTTE more Tamils – notably in the South – would have been robbed and killed after 7/83. Emotionally, there is a place for VP in the psyche of all Tamils – as a Kuala Lumpur Indian Tamil taxi driver passionately reminded us. This cannot be denied by State actors, Sinhala ex-army Governors included, using fascist methods. These are best left to individuals who will themselves decide upon matters of such sensitivity.
Dayan admits a Tamil homeland is legitimate but who is to convince the Snhala hawks particularly those new avatars of the undesirable BBS ilk backed by the ubiquitous Buddhist clergy. A healthy result in the NP election of 9/21 is the best guarantee for a peaceful Tamil community in the NEP. Vigneswaren and the TNA have reassured the Sinhala Nation they are willing to work within an undivided country. What more?
Senguttuvan
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Pirai Soodi / September 14, 2013
I think DBSJ is being a bit mischievous here and perhaps quoting Wigneswaran out of context. Had Wigneswaran actually said these things that he is supposed to have said, surely Uthayan, Tamilwin, Saritham and Athirvu will use that as headline story. I could not find any mention of such claims on these sites. Can someone point to other media outlets where such quotes attributed to Wigneswaran have been reported?
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punchinilame / September 15, 2013
Jeyaraj has an axe to grind with the LTTE is well known. Prof. Hoole in
his columns write as:
“This morning, Sept. 13, the importance of having police who understand us was stressed when 40 youths campaigning for the TNA were arrested in Kodikamam. President Rakapakse in one of his speeches had referred to the LTTE’s V. Prabhakaran as a brave fighter and Wigneswaran had responded in typical election time rhetoric that if the President can call Prabhakaran a Veeran (brave man), then there can be no wrong in others calling him a Maa-Veeran (Great Brave Man). This was reported in the TNA’s newspaper Veedu (House, the symbol of the Federal Party which is used by the TNA”
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Vibhushana / September 14, 2013
Germans realised Fasism was bad after 4 years of WW2. So did Mosolini and the Japanese Emperor. In each instance the destruction was the catalyst for change in direction.
Gon Dhemala on the other hand is still groping in the dark even after 60 years full of it.
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Native Vedda / September 14, 2013
Vibhushana
“Gon Dhemala on the other hand is still groping in the dark even after 60 years full of it.”
It is a cunning plan on the part of TNA, the best place to render you impotent.
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Burt / September 15, 2013
“Gon Dhemala on the other hand is still groping in the dark”
And you still keep sending your wife without a flashlight. Don’t blame the Gon Dhemala.
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hannah.rajaratnam / September 14, 2013
President.
You have had a long battle with the Tamils.The battle of words,the battle of a peacefull elections,the battle of keeping the army in the barracks or remove from the north and east,the battle trying to keep Douglas etc in order and the manipulation of others in the north and East and with your own MP’s,drug Lords,henchmen and your sons has become an overwhelming disaster for you.
None of the above have worked well.Even the army could not beat the spirit of the old and the young Tamils – let alone the civic societies and the TNA MP’s commitment and vigor.
You manipulated the Executive Presidency and did so much damage wielding your destructive methods instigated by your brother Gota.
Well,you have the POWER which you wanted.
Now wield it at least for the good of the NATIONHOOD.
Looks like if you don’t it will be a prolonged battle of all.
Including the South where it is rising up against you.
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Agnos / September 14, 2013
DJ,
You first answer the many questions from continuing devastating exposes, by Wikileaks (via this very site) and others like Prof.Hoole, of how the GoSL, in alliance with the EPDP/your friend Devananda and Karuna, has been responsible for some of the worst crimes committed against innocent Tamil people.
You were a willing accomplice to such crimes by first agreeing to represent the GoSL as its representative in Geneva and France, and then vigorously suppressing such truths from coming out, or denying them outright, and then continuing to extol the ‘virtues’ of the Rajapaksa regime.
Tell us what punishment should the victims of the EPDP and Karuna gangs mete out to you? Once that business is done with, we can talk about the TNA manifesto. A manifesto after all is just words. But you and your “friends” have been implicated in mass murder, rape, prostitution, abductions, torture, etc. Do you think you guys can get away with it all?
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hannah.rajaratnam / September 14, 2013
Hello Vibushana- You are indeed a rascist.
Thank you anyways.You finally spat it out- In a desperate situ knowing full well where the elections are going in the north?
What is this?
‘GON DHEMALA IS GROPING IN THE DARK EVEN AFTER 60 YRS FULL OF IT.’Wow
you are full of hatred.Are you a budhist.Just asking.
Where are you living ? In beautifull Paradise Island or elsewhere?
Does it look like the Tamils are groping in the dark?
What a statment when the whole country is still talking about the Tamil issue?
The Tamils have made themselves HEARD AND SEEN.It bothers you,I can tell for sure.
If we are groping dear,it will be gentle as the winds that blow over Habarana.
But it is not is it?
There is lightening and Thunder flashing from the North and East.
Karuna and KP are hiding under blankets in the south.Not a hum.
Gota the mischief maker has sent out a stupid letter about the US helping them with the war.He should refrain taking that route.
It will be another disaster.Perhaps you can advise him?
Thanks.The Tamils remember the 60 yrs of suffering and thanks for remembering and admitting you tortured,murdered the Tamils and ruined their lives and plan to continue with it.
Too bad for the ilks of you, strong winds are blowing from the north and east.
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kail / September 15, 2013
Portal, Precipice Or Political Suicide Bomb
Dr. Dayan Jayatilleka
Let us just compare the following
1)“The Tamil Tigers…were the most supremely deadly and effective terrorist group to emerge at any time in the second half of the 20th century…
There is no overall moral equivalence between the government of Sri Lanka and the Tigers.” – Greg Sheridan, Foreign Editor, The Australian, ‘Sri Lanka’s Path to Peace’ Sept 13, 2013.
Greg Sheridan is correct in one thing in his analysis that there is no moral equivalence but I would say that LTTEs was a Moral Justification
2)When the most authoritative commentator on Tamil politics, DBS Jeyaraj exposes (in his latest piece) proto-secessionist and pro-terrorist discourse on the part of the main Tamil parliamentary party the TNA, it gets my attention. It would take an idiot to ignore it. (‘Wigneswaran Praises Prabhakaran at Velvettiturai’, Daily Mirror, Sept 14th 2013).
There is nothing to expose and nothing to ignore: With all due respect the views of DBS are outdated.
3)The TNA is not a secessionist party, but when it is reliably reported that it has not broken with the secessionist paradigm and even flirts with dangerous secessionist discourse and symbolism, it must be recognised that Sri Lanka simply doesn’t possess the geostrategic space to regard the signs as unthreatening and unproblematic.
In my view Sri Lanka does possess the geostrategic space to regard the signs as unthreatening and unproblematic sipmply because it is a legitimate Tamil Aspiration.
Whether you view it or interpret it as unthreating or unproblamatic it is a matter for you as to how you view it.
4)A call for a measure of ‘self-rule’, ‘self-government’ or ‘self-administration’ within a united country is entirely legitimate. The demand for the full implementation of the existing provisions for a measure of self rule within a unitary state, as enshrined in the 13th amendment, is also entirely legitimate. However, this isn’t all there is to it, as DBS Jeyaraj reveals:
As I said above what DBS says is not Gospel and it might suit your purpose but I beg to disagree.
5)Tamil nationalist politics in Sri Lanka, Tamil Nadu and within the global Tamil Diaspora continues to be under the shadow of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)notwithstanding the fact that the Tigers are no more in Sri Lanka. Despite the LTTE being a non-entity in the Island, many Sri Lankan Tamil politicians of the Tamil National Alliance refuse to be liberated from the residual hold of the Liberation Tigers…
There is no open articulation of ‘‘Tamil Eelam’’ by frontline contestants. Substitute code-words for a separate state however are in use.
The above is the same Rhetoric we have heard from you for so long and we are simply tired of hearing it and can we please listen to some different music.
The song that we Tamils like to hear is:
ENTRU THANIYUM INTHA SUTHANTHIRA THAGAM ENTRU THANIUM INTHA ADIMAYIN MOHAM
6)…All these terms and phrases are outwardly innocuous and can be explained away as being within the ambit of elections to a provincial unit. Yet the context of such usages on electoral platforms evoke a secessionist mood and fervour very much alike the 1977 campaign of the Tamil United Liberation front (TULF) that sought a mandate for Tamil Eelam.” (‘Why and How Ex- SC Judge CV Wigneswaran Praised LTTE Leader Prabhakaran as a Great Hero’)
If you dont want to hear the above you can shut your ears.
7)The TNA is not duplicitous as many Sinhala political personalities and propagandists argue. It is however, dualistic and vacillating. The positive side of the TNA and its forthcoming victory is seen in the excellent interview that Justice Wigneswaran has given Meera Srinivasan of The Hindu, in which he says that Tamil Nadu political elements have no right to say that a bickering husband and wife, i.e. the Sinhalese and Tamils, should divorce. The negative aspect of the TNA is of course manifested in its manifesto (pun intended).
Mr.Wigeswran is being too modest and he is wrong in his analysis. You and I are not bickering husband and wife.
But rather it is the story of a battered a wife with a lot of domestic violence and years of abuse.
8)The TNA manifesto is not secessionist. It does however keep the door ajar for secessionism. It does so not by calling for federalism or identifying the North and East as a homeland. Federalism and the idea of a Tamil homeland are entirely debatable but legitimate. What is tricky is the combination contained in the manifesto of the notion that the Tamil people, rather than the citizenry, the people of the island as a whole, are the repository of sovereignty, and the unqualified claim of the right of self determination.
I disagree with the above entirely. We are two distinct people and we have inhabited the Island as long as you have so there is no need to ask you for your permission to decide our destiny.
9)Those of us who live in South Asia know exactly what this can mean, because this was the basis on which Jinnah seceded and more pertinently, the basis on which the struggle for secession is waged in Kashmir. This is why India does not accept any right of self-determination of peoples within a country’s borders. Within India, self-determination is one of the red lines of the central Government and therefore it remains a red line in diplomatic forums where Kashmir is mentioned.
You are a Dr and what you are talking above is frankly nosense.
Jinnah was right break from India. There is no parallel between the struggle in Kashmir and Sri Lanka. Our is a struggle for freedom from Sinhalese Tyranny and the Struggle in Kashmir is as folows.
The Kashmir conflict is a territorial dispute between the Government of India, Kashmiri insurgent groups and the Government of Pakistan over control of the Kashmir region
10)The TNA’s leaders are sufficiently educated to be aware that it is perfectly possible to call for a federal system without embedding or invoking the right of self determination and that hardly any federal system (with exceptions that you could easily count of the fingers of one hand) recognises the right of self-determination. This is truer still of systems of devolution and regional/provincial autonomy.
The TNA leaders also know that without explicit and unambiguous qualification to the contrary, the right of self determination per se extends to the right to political independence.
Irresponsible Tamil politics will render toxic the social atmosphere and rip the social fabric of coexistence on the island. DBS writes:
You are trying to patronoise us like the Mad Professor Rajiva and DBS is out of his mind when he says the fabric of the Co Existence. There is nothing of that sort in Sinhala Lanka my friend. It is more along the lines of Master vs subjects.
11)Utilising the political space of the election campaign the LTTE is being praised and the current situation deplored. Prabhakaran’s reign is being projected as the ‘golden phase of the Eelam Tamils’.
You might disgaree but we Tamils were living in hope during his era and after a brief period post conflict we have turned the corner due to outside pressure.
13)An important method of such mobilisation is the use of songs. Propaganda efforts for the Tamil armed struggle have led to the usage of a number of popular songs. These range from the borrowing of appropriate songs from mainstream Tamil films to songs specifically written, composed, sung and recorded by the LTTE or its front organizations. Most of these songs were not heard of publicly after the LTTE military defeat of May 2009.But now these songs were being heard again and heard loudly, under the auspices of the TNA election campaign. Even a new audio CD of former pro-Tiger singer ‘Thenisai’ Chellappah has been specially commissioned for the elections.”
Now you are talking. During my recent visit to Colombo my driver who was Sinhalese was listening to Songs in Sihalese dupped from Tamil songs.
14)Last week saw Wigneswaran in Valvettithurai (VVT) the native village of LTTE supremo Velupillai Prabhakaran and the cradle of armed Tamil militancy. Wigneswaran delivered a thundering speech to an audience consisting mainly of people from VVT and neighbouring areas.
Wigneswaran stated there that Prabhakaran the son of VVT soil was a great hero and not a terrorist. ‘‘Pirapakaran oru payangaravathiyalla. Avar Thamil Inathin Viduthalikkaaha Poaradiya oru Maha Veeran’’ (“Prabhakaran is not a terrorist. He is a great hero who fought for the freedom of the Tamil people”) re-iterated Wigneswaran on Valvettithurai soil.” (Ibid)
Mr Wigneswaran was simply reminiscing the past which is a fact and there is nothing wrong with it.
15)This campaign by the TNA will entrench the status quo, or worse, reinforce the powerful Southern hawks and their hard-line. If the LTTE’s obduracy and the TNA’s fellow travelling were responsible for the backlash that took Mahinda Rajapaksa to the Presidency, it shouldn’t be rocket science to figure out the next level to which the Tamil Diaspora driven pro-Tiger stance of the TNA will succeed in taking us—and to the benefit of which (and whose) project.
THREAT
I take the above is a veiled threat and franlky what you lot think is irrelevant any more. My friend what has changed and in my view it doesnt take a Rocket Scientist to change your mentalkity which is in your Gene and the only way we will change your racial hatred is by Chromosome Mutation.
16) The TNA’s electoral rhetoric is in the same category that got the Basque parliamentary party Herri Batasuna gavelled out of the game by the Spanish courts. The collective mentality it represents is what made the TNA reject Chandrika Bandaranaike’s quasi-federal proposals of 1995, 1997 and 2000. It is also what made the TNA, while still engaged in post-war talks with the Rajapaksa administration, produce a lengthy exegesis of the UNSG’s PoE (‘Darusman’) Report in which it improbably accused the ‘deep penetration teams’ of the Sri Lankan armed forces of killing ‘tens of thousands of Tamils’ and follow this up months later with a near 100 page document of which the first 70 plus pages were a slashing critique of the LLRC Report (while in the last 30, the Report was “damned with faint praise”)!
The failure of Tamil communities in the liberal First World to absorb and replicate the values of these societies by producing a moderate Tamil political alternative; the fealty of even well-educated Tamils to the memory of the Hitleresque Prabhakaran; the bitter reaction to the movie Madras Cafe, coupled with a continued refusal to denounce the murder of Rajiv Gandhi by the Tigers, reveal not only the commitment of Tamil nationalism to a secessionist project but also the covertly/latently fanatical and politically fundamentalist character of Tamil nationalist consciousness itself.
The above is just simply Scaremongering and the election of BJP will sort you all out so learn to come to terms with Tamil Aspirations.
You have so far managed to get awy with murder by bribing the likes of the Menons , The Krishnas , Sushmas, the Luny Swamis but not any more.
I was in Tamil Nadu last year and The Iron Lady is being seen as CM to PM switching premiership with Modi
Over the long term, devolution will be safe only when two factors coincide: (a) the Tamil nationalism can be rendered sufficiently malleable and moderate as to elect a party/leadership which is a realistic and responsible partner (which may well be Messrs Devananda and Thavarajah’s EPDP) and (b) the Sinhalese elect a moderate patriot who is tough on sovereignty, secessionism and security while soft on minority rights.
Tamil Nationalism cannot be rendered moderate untill we feel that we have the means to safeguard our disticnt identity and for that to happen we need as the very minimum powers which are similar to what is at the disposal of Tamil Nadu Government which you lot will not grant us as it is not in your Gene.
The international community and most notably India and the West must learn the lessons of contemporary history. A reason for the failure of their successive attempts at a negotiated peace when far more dovish administrations were in office in Colombo, was that Tamil nationalist interlocutors – the LTTE’s negotiators and influential elements of Tamil civil society—were simply dissembling, taking the world for a ride. The orientation of the Sri Lankan state, armed forces and public opinion towards Russia and China is sourced in the refusal of these powers to be played for suckers. The same Tamil nationalist constituency or social formation has been doing it again; acting as secessionist fellow-travellers, singing from the same hymn sheet of perennial victimhood and renunciation of responsibility while implicitly making the case for internationally supported partition.
It is not always the case that secessionist sentiment is the result of harsh ethno-national oppression.
I disagree with the above for the simple reason that it is oppression that brings about the the awareness of a separate identity and the desire to manifest it in the form of independent political existence or the retention of an option for secession.
My friend in the following countries like Scotland, Catalonia and Quebec we have not had so many race riots like we have had in Sinhala Lanka
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The space for tolerant accommodation of such secessionist sentiment is strictly contingent on geographic, demographic and historical realities. What if France had been the neighbour of Quebec instead of an ocean away? What if Scotland possessed a giant neighbour of co-ethnics and English been spoken only in England rather than near-universally? What if Catalonia had a large neighbour who spoke Catalan while Spanish was not a global language? Surely the response on the part of the state and the majority of citizenry to secessionism however peaceful would not have been what it is today.
So you are in agreement that if not for our 70 million Tamil Brotheren you would have annihilated us by now. WHAT AN HONEST ADMISSION
Given the realities of the demographic composition of post-war Sri Lanka, the Tamil question in Sri Lanka must not be lodged in the paradigm of self determination but in the paradigm of the rights of ethnic minorities– including that of provincial autonomy– and equality of citizenship. The Tamil nationalist insistence on the Tamils as a distinct people with the right of self-determination is a diversion from the struggle for minority rights, equality and anti-discrimination. Every effort must be made to struggle for these as essential to a just, sustainable post-war peace.
The West and even India (though less so) can afford to be taken for a ride again. They can afford to be played for suckers. Sri Lanka cannot. It will be a long cold war between the Sri Lankan state (under whichever administration) and global Tamil nationalism; a protracted struggle which may require internal regime replacement if any administration places the State, the country and future generations of its citizenry in danger of losing the existentially crucial contest.
It was a cold war which has been raging for the last 3000 years so what difference is a mere 6 months going to make.
For your information even Gotha has admitted the power of the Tamil Diaspora who can now dictate policies to powerful organisations like the UN so it is not a question of what Sinhala Lanka can afford or ot afford but rather a question of how to come to terms with realities.
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Fathima Fukushima / September 15, 2013
Isaipiriya,
Tamils were dragged to the Nanthikadal disaster by Tamil leaders including TNA.
There are 89,000 Tamil Mahaveer war widows. Or 13% of SL Tamil adult women are war widows!!
Many Tamil groups killed each other.
IPKF killed Tamils.
Probably the actual number is much higher.
Do you want it repeated?
I’m afraid a repetition will not leave any Tamil presence in the island.
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kali / September 15, 2013
Fat “Mama” Fuk U Shima you Halal eating smelly Sinhalese (Transvestite)[Edited out] there are millions of Muslim wodows who are being created by you lot every hour.
Egypt
Iraq
Syria
and the list goes on.
Concentrate on those as at this rate of killng there wont be any more left and BBS would have their work cut out.
There is a saying ” Nilavuku Olichu Parathesam Pokelathu” so it does not matter how hard you try you stand out as a Sinhalese Racist and your days are numbered. By March of next year you will have to take Cyanide.
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aratai / September 15, 2013
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As long as Sinhalese Leaders talk about removing 13A and not giving police and land powers, Tamil Leaders have the rights to talk about self-determination.
:-)
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hannah.rajaratnam / September 15, 2013
The song sung by the freedom fighters,and will be sung is-
I THIRST FOR FREEDOM.
Give me the water of freedom.
Simple.
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pasel / September 15, 2013
The Tamil Tigers…were the most supremely deadly and effective terrorist group to emerge at any time in the second half of the 20th century.
by Greg Sheridan, Foreign Editor, The Australian,
ok who created the LTTE may be he doesn’t know the history of violence against Tamils created the Tamil Tigers
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kali / September 15, 2013
Dayan,
I hope you have had time to consider my comments.
I have picked so many holes in your arguments and it is leaking like a Torrent.
We are drenched and soaking wet.
Just on the question of Battered wife syndrome let me ask you a few personal question
1)Do you have a wife.
2)When did you last hit her
3) How often do you hit her
4) Does she have any bruises
5) Any broken arms or limbs
6) Is she still alive or dead may be Extrajudicially killed.If that was the case report her to the bureau of missing Sons and Daughters headed by Chandraprema Author of “Gothas War”
Hope you will asnswer the above.
Now that you have got me into a mood of Festival of Songs let me sing you a couple of songs in response to your Article.
1) Kuttalam Aruviyile Kulichathupol Irukuthu
and as a result
2) Kulir Adikuthu Kulir Adikuthu Kooda Varatuma.
There are a lot mad Profs ( Rajiva tops the list)and Doctors (you included) around who are prescribing medicine.
What we have in Sinhala Lanka is a Terminal illness which requires a combination of Chemotherapy and Radiotherapy but the Doctors are prescribing Contraceptives for SAFE SEX.
Please in future dont do this to us as we have suffered enough and dont want to get soked again. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
May I suggest you read your Doctorate again in a Reputable University to get the hang of things.
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Fathima Fukushima / September 15, 2013
Tamils are begging for another Nanthikadal 2009.
Well, bullets and bombs have an expiry date too.
Use them or lose them!!
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kali / September 15, 2013
Yes you are right Fuk U Shima Cyanide has no expiry date. But in any case Modi doesnt like Muslims. So by March 2014 even you would have past your sell by date.
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hannah.rajaratnam / September 15, 2013
Fathima.F- Another one
At Nandikadal the brig and his men stood surrounding VP’s body.The major turned hearing some talk by the men and found some of them scanning the blue sky over Nandikadal.
Why are you guys looking up.
Sir,look at him,his eyes are staring up into the sky.He is ordering his Air force to come and bomb us.sir that 2 seater planes that bombed katu.Those guys are dangerous.
(check Archives Pic- by Government Portal News.VP’s body,EYES staring in to the sky)
Major automatically scanned the skies.Brigadier heard the whispers.
On inquiry the Major told him.Immediately the Brig scanned the skies,I will take care of this with the Air force command.
Alert from Nandikadal.- Send – scan the skies for LTTE airforce planes.destroy.
Brigadier scanned the skies,looked at VP’s eyes staring up into the skies.
Major,keep 10 men to guard.I will be back when they arrive from colombo to identify the body.
And- major, shut his bloody eyes NOW.
Living in Panic.Indeed a Hero for the Tamils.
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kali / September 15, 2013
Fat ” Mama ” Fuk U Shima,
It looks like we have finally cracked the pot.
We now know that you are a low grade Iliterate of very Low IQ which is evident from the lack of any writing talent.
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Leon / September 16, 2013
From 1948 the Singhalese and the Tamils have tried to live together in harmony, only to realize that it was a bad
marriage. As in marriages if the husband and wife find that they cannot live together, the logical thing to do is to
separate. It does not mean that the two communities have. to fight, but could live as friends.
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Sengodan. M / September 16, 2013
Dayan,
I wish that you read in full the response from Sumanthiran M. P appearing in the ‘Island’ paper today, Monday, 16th September, 2013. That explains in full every issue raised by you. You will be bellyful and stop writing nonsense!
Sengodan. M
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CKR / September 17, 2013
Mr.Dayan,
You r looser. How long are you going to cheat your people. What is your aim in the last war? Did you get it? Your sketch plan was great (everyone can dream but can’t execute) but failed all the way not only then even post war (even present). I can’t go further. I am just as Tree which is only observer not actor. I kept more respect on you last ten years. But I now hate you. One herein told about girls namely isai & dwarka who were great in the filed. I expected you to say something but you failed and joined with him. Your knowledge in political is waste. In political, first we have to learn to give respect to our enemy if they r great.They r great.
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