Scrap Sri Lanka’s Archaic Underage Muslim Marriage Law: WAN

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Women Action Network (WAN), a collective of eight women’s organisations that are working in the North and East has emphasized upon the need to establish a minimum age for marriage for all citizens, in the wake of continuing underage marriages, specially within the Muslim community.

Muslim Underage Marriage 1In a statement, WAN also appreciated Parliamentarian Hirunika Premachandra actions during a MP workshop on the formation of the Constitution where she raised the concerns that Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA) allows for Muslim girls and boys below the age of 18 to be married.

“MP Hirunika’s comments come in light of the fact that under the Penal Code (Section 363) of Sri Lanka, sexual intercourse with a girl below the age of 16 (with or without her consent) amounts to statutory rape, therefore the provision of early marriages for Muslims is contradictory and requires attention in this regard. As a concerned MP, it demonstrates her apprehension about the practical and potential problems faced by the minority Muslim women and children in the country with regard to lack of minimum age of marriage,” the statement said.

WAN highlighted that even though for over two decades, these concerns have been raised at multiple forums including with religious leaders and Muslim MPs, they are usually ignored on the basis that early marriage is not happening in the Muslim community.

“However, Muslim women’s groups who have been working very closely at the community come across many cases of early marriage on a regular basis. High prevalence of early marriage has also been noted in districts such as Batticaloa, Puttalam and parts of Colombo. In some areas the number of early marriages have in fact increased from 2014 to 2015, and a look at the data on registration of Muslim marriages will reveal the facts and figures. In most cases of early marriage, young girls are removed from schools in order to be married. Thus, early marriage is also closely associated with a denial of educational opportunities and other social, economic and cultural rights. In addition, girls are more vulnerable as a result of their age, inexperience and lack of awareness to reproductive and health problems, gender-based violence, harassment within marriage, economic challenges in case of divorce, or non-maintenance by husbands,” the statement said.

WAN pointed out that minimum age of marriage is first and foremost a serious child rights concern, which the State has the principal obligation to protect and not one that should be left at the discretion of any particular community.

“We are therefore highly disappointed at the counterargument of Minister Rauff Hakeem in response to MP Hirunika, when he stated that the issue of age of marriage is a concern that is being dealt with by the Muslim community through reforms of the MMDA. Reforms to the MMDA have been overdue for 64+ years and we are also saddened that little action was taken by Minister Hakeem during his time as Minister of Justice to expedite the process,” WAN said.

“While we are aware that there is a Muslim Personal Law Reforms Committee that was established in 2009 by then the Justice Minister Milinda Moragoda tasked with recommending reforms to the MMDA, we are unaware of the progress that has been made by this committee in the past 7 years. The broader Muslim community has very little information on the work of the committee thus far, timeline of when its report will be delivered to the Government and whether or not it recommends the protection of rights of Muslim children on par with the rest of the children of Sri Lanka,” the statement said.

“Given these concerns and significant delay to reforms, many Muslim women’s and victims of the injustices faced under the MMDA have gone before the Public Representation Committee on constitutional reforms in district level hearings in Puttalam and the North and East. They have made oral and written submissions demanding immediate reform of the MMDA or to give Muslims the option of choose to marry under Sri Lankan General Marriage Ordinance. It is highly problematic that when it comes to marriage and divorce, Sri Lankan Muslims are governed only by an outdated MMDA with discriminatory provision that especially violates the rights of Muslim women in many ways (such as allowing early marriages). In Sri Lanka fundamental rights should apply to all citizens of the country and not be left to the discretion of minority personal laws. This had to be one of the primary concerns addressed in constitutional reforms,” the organization pointed out.

WAN reiterated that the issue of age of marriage is NOT a ‘Muslim issue’ but rather one of human rights and child rights, and also it was illogical that a different minimum age of marriage applies for a minority community than to the rest of Sri Lankan citizens and this discrimination needs to be questioned and raised as a concern by many more MPs.

“Action also needs to be taken by relevant government agencies such as the National Child Protection Authority to understand the implication of such a discriminatory provision under State laws,” the statement said.

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    Good initiative

    sach
    April 3, 2016 at 12:33 am
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      MORE IMPORTANT TO CHANGE THE RE-PRODUCTIVE LAW.

      Enlight
      April 3, 2016 at 1:55 pm
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      Excellent initiative. Please see it through. Why should we compromise such basic rights of Sri Lankan girls & women? Just because they were born into Islamic faith? These are absolute minimum human rights guaranteed by any civilized state. At long last, Hirunika has done something for tax-payers, who support her celebrity lifestyle. Cheers! PS: Expect secretive pressure to the opposite from both Wahabi Hokeem & Qatari Baludeen.

      Ben Hurling
      April 3, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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      Women Action Network (WAN), 1. “Women Action Network (WAN), a collective of eight women’s organisations that are working in the North and East has emphasized upon the need to establish a minimum age for marriage for all citizens, in the wake of continuing underage marriages, specially within the Muslim community.” Yes. These are all based on superstitions, and the young Muslim girls are getting raped, getting their vaginas and uterus getting torn. Religion Is For People Who Don’t Think IDIOTS Ray Hagins Idiotic.. Lack of Thought… don’t think… Stupid… a mentally deficient person…and the girls are getting raped. little vaginas are torn… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBSWeuBk_M Being a thinker, asking religion , watching this affirms my strong conviction that in fact all religions are created to control, manipulate, and sedate the consciousness of an individual or people to the benefit of those who created it. With all due respect to black folks who believe in Christ, or any other, how can you worship a person that was sold to you by those who have with no doubt enslaved, degraded, humiliated, manipulated, killed, raped, lynched, and are perpetually terrorizing your very own existence to this date, and you can’t still see there is something off about that Funny how god spoke to the Isrealites but you read a book in English which before anything is attributed to god it says someone’s version and you take that as truth. Version means opinion. How many versions are the bible written in? Oh yeah fun fact the number 0 was a pagan Arabs concept but was latter perfected by tribes in India. So the whole 1000 thing is proof that someone scribbled some sugar. Plus please read the final book attributed to Moses. It ends with and Moses was buried by god. In Grammer that’s called 3rd person. But Moses wrote it… yeah he may have written it but someone else rewrote it hundreds of times…. Fact

      Amarasiri
      April 7, 2016 at 8:01 am
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    Women Action Network (WAN), 1. “Women Action Network (WAN), a collective of eight women’s organisations that are working in the North and East has emphasized upon the need to establish a minimum age for marriage for all citizens, in the wake of continuing underage marriages, specially within the Muslim community.” “In most cases of early marriage, young girls are removed from schools in order to be married. ” Yes. Make Age 18 the minimum age, so that the girls will at least complete the G.C.E.(OL). 2. “MP Hirunika’s comments come in light of the fact that under the Penal Code (Section 363) of Sri Lanka, sexual intercourse with a girl below the age of 16 (with or without her consent) amounts to statutory rape, therefore the provision of early marriages for Muslims is contradictory and requires attention in this regard. As a women, and former “girl” she understands the issues.

    Amarasiri
    April 3, 2016 at 3:37 am
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      Srap Sri Lanka’s………… – WAN Very appreciative Why should we limit it to north and east Please make it an all island matter

      sr
      April 3, 2016 at 9:35 am
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      Amarasiri 2. “MP Hirunika’s comments come in light of the fact that under the Penal Code (Section 363) of Sri Lanka, sexual intercourse with a girl below the age of 16 (with or without her consent) amounts to statutory rape, therefore the provision of early marriages for Muslims is contradictory and requires attention in this regard. Amarasiri, can you deduce by quantum physics assisted by the theory of relativity, using your GMAT score and and with your regression plots, that this refers to unmarried girls? Hence by simple reasoning I think one can conclude that the law on statutory rape does not apply to persons legally married. Hence there does not exist any contradiction! Q.E.D

      J.Deane
      April 3, 2016 at 4:43 pm
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        J.Deane You are showing your Wahhabi “Intelligence”, generally known as Wahhabi stupidity. Of course the GAMT scores of Saudi Wahhabis give support to the Wahhabi “intelligence” hypothesis. “MP Hirunika’s comments come in light of the fact that under the Penal Code (Section 363) of Sri Lanka, sexual intercourse with a girl below the age of 16 (with or without her consent) amounts to statutory rape, therefore the provision of early marriages for Muslims is contradictory and requires attention in this regard.” “sexual intercourse with a girl below the age of 16 (with or without her consent) amounts to statutory rape, ” Does not matter whether she is married or not. According to the current country’s laws it is rape. So, all those “Muslims” who married girls below age of 16, and had sex, all committed statutory rape. So, they all are rapists. So they can, 1. Make the Marriageable Age 16, 17 or 18, so that the Man will not have to be persecuted for statutory rape, 2. Change the statutory rape age from 16 to another age. What should it be? Different people have different opinions. What about the education of the girl? Nobody is worried? Why? What about the country’s loss? Remember, the average IQ of Sri Lanka is 79.

        Amarasiri
        April 3, 2016 at 8:31 pm
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          J.Deane I think one can conclude that the law on statutory rape does not apply to persons legally married. Hence there does not exist any contradiction! Q.E.D Amarasiri Does not matter whether she is married or not. According to the current country’s laws it is rape. So, all those “Muslims” who married girls below age of 16, and had sex, all committed statutory rape. Amarasiri, what you write is conjecture. By the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act Section 23 a Muslim girl who has not attained the age of twelve years shall not be registered under this Act unless the Quazi for the area in which the girl resides has, after such inquiry as he may deem necessary, authorized the registration of the marriage.

          J.Deane
          April 4, 2016 at 9:13 am
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            J.Deane “unless the Quazi for the area in which the girl resides has, after such inquiry as he may deem necessary, authorized the registration of the marriage.” Registration of the Marriage of a 12 year old, a 7th grader, means that the “ownership” of the girl, the Chattel, Slave is transferred from the Wali, Guardian (father, brother or male relative) to the husband. Now the husband owns the chattel, slave, as wife, and can do whatever he wants with her. The Former Wali has no say in it. There is nothing in the Muslim Marriage Act statute that says that the girl cannot be transferred to the “husband” until she reaches 16 or 18 years of age. Furthermore, there is no written confirmation, with witness signatures that says the girl gave her approval without being forced. Furthermore, in the marriage certificate, there is no bridal signature, that says that the girl signed and her her approval. The Muslim Marriage certificate is a chattel, slavery sheet for exchange of property. As consideration the husband gives a Mahar, a bridal pay either to the girl or the girls Wali, guardian. So make, Age of Bride: Minimum 18 years. Make the bride sign the Marriage certificate, signed by the bride with 2 Witnesses, with written signatures, with Full names and addresses of the witnesses. There should be no fakes. How do they do in Iblis, Satan following Wahhabi Saudi Arabia? SAUDI ARABIA FORCES COUPLES TO DIVORCE OVER “RACIAL INFERIORITY” Custody of the children is usually given to the “racially superior” parent. http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/219415/saudi-arabia-forces-couples-divorce-over-racial-daniel-greenfield Saudi Arabia only abolished slavery in 1962 after pressure from President Kennedy. JFK wanted the Saudis to hold elections. The Saudis, who weren’t as influential in American policy as they are now, gave him slavery, at least officially. Unofficially, Saudis continue to own and sell slaves, sometimes even over the internet. Islamic Saudi clerics insist that slavery is a part of Islam and Saudi Arabia is an Apartheid state that discriminates against Afro-Saudis who make up 10% of the population. Blacks, who make up around 10 percent of the population, are banned from judgeships — as are women and Muslims who observe a different version of the faith — because the monarchy’s religious tradition still views blacks as slaves, other Muslims as heretics, and women as half human. There is only one word to describe such a system: apartheid. There has been some opposition to Saudi Arabia’s racist Apartheid state. The Saudi opposition has been lobbying in the United States to oppose racism in the Gulf Arab kingdom. The opposition institute said its target was Deputy Saudi Foreign Minister Abdul Aziz Bin Abdullah, son of the king and deemed an architect of Riyad’s policy against the estimated three million blacks. “The Saudi monarchy bans blacks from many jobs including diplomats, judges, security officers, ministers, mayors, senior clerics, and heads of government departments,” the institute said on Sept. 16. “The Saudi Foreign Ministry bans blacks from all diplomatic positions. That’s why none of you have met a Saudi black diplomat before.” “The monarchy bans black women from appearing on television or working as on camera reporters, and from many low-level jobs such including school principal,” the institute said. “There is not one single black school principal in Saudi Arabia.” And now there is this troubling story about racial inferiority in marriages in Saudi Arabia. In three months, 14 lawsuits have been filed calling for breaking of marriages by relatives who thought the husband and the wife are not socially equal. Some judges and lawyers do believe there are merits to these claims. Many legally married couples were divorced, as an afterthought, because somebody discovered that one or the other was not good enough based on his or her bloodline. Before these cases reach the courts, pressure is used against both parties to divorce voluntarily. Threats of economic and social boycott is typically used. In some cases, violent acts are committed. If, however, both are resisting and insisting on staying together, then any family or tribe member has the right to take them to court. The judges will then call on the “less equal” party to bring his/her proofs of equality — family trees, tribal historians, documents, witnesses and others. If these evidence were not satisfactory, then it is up to the judge to order the forced separation of husband and wife. Custody of the children is usually given to the “racially superior” parent. The Saudis probably shouldn’t value their racially superior bloodline that much. It doesn’t seem to be too healthy. In some parts of Saudi Arabia, particularly in the south, where Mrs. Hefthi was raised, the rate of marriage among blood relatives ranges from 55 to 70 percent, among the highest rates in the world, according to the Saudi government. ( This makes them stupider. Just Check the GMAT scores of the Wahhabi Saidi Graduates)) Do the Wahhabi Saudi Arabians Follow Allah SWT or the Iblis, Satan? Use Common sense to figure out. What did Prophet Mohamed, PBUH, say in his last Sermon? What was his Sunnah?

            Amarasiri
            April 8, 2016 at 6:31 am
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            J.Deane “Amarasiri, what you write is conjecture. By the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act Section 23” “a Muslim girl who has not attained the age of twelve years shall not be registered under this Act unless ..unless the Quazi for the area in which the girl resides has, .” So, the Quazi, can cite the “Tradition” of Prophet Mohamed, ans say that as long as the girl is over 6 years old she can be married, but the consummation of the marriage cannot take place until she is 9 years old as per tradition and Prophets’s Sunnah. Muhammad & His 6 Year Old Bride | STUPID MUSLIM Comments #1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiIaKLhSUOI Published on Sep 26, 2013 Five stupid Muslim youtube comments critiqued by the Vegan Atheist. Marvel at the astounding stupidity! Vote for the Dumbass Comment of the Week award (results available on my Facebook and Google+ pages) 0:31 Stupid Comment #1 1:27 Stupid Comment #2 2:24 Stupid Comment #3 3:59 Stupid Comment #4 5:34 Stupid Comment #5 7:11 Dumbass Comment of the Week Poll Top 10 Controversial Quran Verses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-oR1WIMtLE Published on Mar 8, 2015 In 2014, we covered things the Bible forbids. However, in 2015, we’re covering ten controversial verses in the Quran. In less than 8 minutes, I’ll reveal some of the harmful messages that Islam teaches.

            Amarasiri
            April 8, 2016 at 7:45 am
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            J.Deane “a Muslim girl who has not attained the age of twelve years shall not be registered under this Act unless the Quazi for …” What about the other Abrahamic Religion, Christianity…’ Top 10 Things The Bible Forbids Besides Homosexuality Published on Mar 3, 2014 Some Christians will say homosexuality is wrong because of Leviticus 18:22. However, do these people ever notice the other things the Bible says? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cb0GNc1WY

            Amarasiri
            April 8, 2016 at 7:52 am
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            J.Deane “a Muslim girl who has not attained the age of twelve years shall not be registered under this Act unless the Quazi …” One Wahhabi Cleric says, a Muslim can marry even a 1-year old girl…. Why? Because the 1 year Old girl is Chattel, Slave.. What does the Other Abrahamic Religions Say? 25 Normal Things The Bible Forbids But We Still Do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEjAf0VFuzw Published on Jan 7, 2015 The Bible is considered one of the most widely read books in the world and for many Jews and Christians is considered an absolute authority in guiding their morality and beliefs. However, many Christians nowadays commit sin after sin on a daily basis without even realizing it. See, the Bible forbids many of the things people love to do and in all honesty there’s nothing wrong with most of these things, at least by modern standards and the current status quo. Since this topic is a little too sensitive though, we won’t say much more but will instead list chapters and lines from the books of the Bible that forbid some of the most normal and awesome things one could ever imagine, but nevertheless, you be the judge.

            Amarasiri
            April 8, 2016 at 8:00 am
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          Amare How about scrapping all the existing laws, English, Dutch, Roman, Kandyan, Thesavalamai any other and go back to our primitive laws and live freely.

          Girigoris
          April 4, 2016 at 4:40 pm
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      Amarasiri Why did you refer to Hirunika as former “girl” in inverted commas? Did you mean to speak the truth?

      Navin
      April 3, 2016 at 5:42 pm
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        Navin “Why did you refer to Hirunika as former “girl” in inverted commas? Did you mean to speak the truth?” Hitunika, Amarasiri assumes, was born a baby girl, and grew up to be young girl, before she became a young women, MP and a wife. So she is better qualified, as a former girl, about the issues of young girls being married at an early age. Amarasiri’s concern is that their education is disrupted, their life skills will be lacking, because of the early marriages. Why, and who are the people promoting it? We all know the characters. Many girls are tapped and have no other option than to give in to the pressures of the family. The Parents will have one less mouth to feed. the girl needs to live. If there is law. Then, she will be protected until age 18, at least. So, she will try to learn some life skills in the meantime. There is also a health issue that should be taken into account. Question: What is the optimum age for a women to be a mother? 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25?

        Amarasiri
        April 3, 2016 at 8:09 pm
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        Navin “Girl” is intentional from the egalitarian man of common senses!

        Ken Robert
        April 3, 2016 at 8:44 pm
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        Navin Some women, do not like to be referred to as a “girl”. By referring to them as a former “girl”, it is somewhat “acceptable” to them. Furthermore, the word “girl”, rhymes in the current context, as it is the Muslim “girls”, who are marrying, not young women. After all, they are still teenagers, but this is better understood by former girls. A girl is a female human from birth through childhood and adolescence to attainment of adulthood when she becomes a woman. The term girl may also be used to mean a young woman, and is often used as a synonym for daughter.

        Amarasiri
        April 3, 2016 at 11:39 pm
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    yes these traditional laws – muslim and thesawalme should be banned – very adverse for women. however kandian old Sinhala law is the opposite – it give more power to women under binna marriage etc…if any woman enters binna marriage can retain all her property and chase out the man at anytime. how about feminists in SL promote binna marriage in sri lanka ?

    Double standards
    April 3, 2016 at 6:36 am
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      Double standards “– it give more power to women under binna marriage etc…if any woman enters binna marriage can retain all her property and chase out the man at anytime. how about feminists in SL promote binna marriage in sri lanka ? ” Yes. Can this custom be introduced to the Wahhabies and Salafies? Tight now, they can divorce a women at will, and throw her out, and get a new one, any time upto 4.

      Amarasiri
      April 3, 2016 at 8:57 am
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        Amarasiri Can this custom be introduced to the Wahabies and Salafies? Wise Mr. Know all!Please define who is a Wahabi and who is a Salafi?

        J.Deane
        April 3, 2016 at 4:12 pm
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          J.Deane “Wise Mr. Know all!Please define who is a Wahabi and who is a Salafi?” Adherents often object to the term Wahhabi or Wahhabism as derogatory, and prefer to be called Salafi or muwahhid. Wahhabism is named after an eighteenth-century preacher and scholar, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792). It is derogatory, they say because they do not follow Wahhab. The fact is that Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab, are followers of Iblis, Satan, as given by many citations. The Wahhabi Abdul Wahab was a copy cat of Ibn Taymiah. Wahhabism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU Wahhabies and Salafis follow Satan,Iblis as per Hadith of Najd. Hadith of Najd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd The Hadith of Najd is a famous hadith with several chains of narration about three geographical locations. While all Sunni Muslims accept the group of hadith as authentic, the exact location of the area referred to as “Najd” is disputed.` No longer in dispute now.

          Amarasiri
          April 3, 2016 at 9:00 pm
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            Amarasiri Adherents often object to the term Wahhabi or Wahhabism as derogatory, and prefer to be called Salafi or muwahhid. Wahhabism is named after an eighteenth-century preacher and scholar, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792). It is derogatory, they say because they do not follow Wahhab. True! It is derogatory. All follow the teachings of the Prophet (S). Sheik Wahab’s writings facilitates the understanding of the religion in its pristine form. Salafi refers to those who follow the teachings and practices of the pious predecessors, who comprise the companions of the generation of the Prophet (S), the next and the generation after that. The fact is that Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab, are followers of Iblis, Satan, as given by many citations. The Wahhabi Abdul Wahab was a copy cat of Ibn Taymiah. FALSE! They are true followers of the Prophet (S). Citations that Amarasiri gives are mostly by malicious critics, including himself. These critics are then the followers of Iblis, Satan. Hadith of Najd 1. This refers to a saying of the Prophet (S). The Prophet has in some reports just referred to the East as the location of Nejd. 2. Other reports specifically states that Nejd is Iraq. 3. Hence Amarasiri is dishonest in misleading the reader to stating Nejd is in Saudi Arabia. More information is available if you click here!

            J.Deane
            April 4, 2016 at 4:45 pm
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              J.Deane Amarasiri Says: “The fact is that Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab, are followers of Iblis, Satan, as given by many citations. The Wahhabi Abdul Wahab was a copy cat of Ibn Taymiah. ” J. Jeane Says: “FALSE! They are true followers of the Prophet (S). Citations that Amarasiri gives are mostly by malicious critics, including himself. These critics are then the followers of Iblis, Satan.” The Data and History is Clear. They are followers of Iblis, Satan, Devil. Reason Vs. Revelation. Akli Vs. Nakli Wahhabies and their clones cannot reason. They have very low critical thinking skills and have low IQs. Wahhabism: The School of Ibn Taymiyyah – The Root of Terrorism? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mBWMbuDp-s Published on Jun 26, 2015 A look at the root and ideology of Wahhabism. Founded by Mohammed Ibn Abdul Wahab who was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyyah. This documentary studies their teachings and why so much hatred is seen towards other religions and sects because of their teachings. Let’s see what the others day: IBN TAYMIYYAH AND THE OCCULT ROOTS OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/ibn-taymiyyah-and-occult-roots-islamic-terrorism The reasons for the revival of his reputation will become evident, as we consider how his fanaticism fit in well with the goals of modern terrorist groups and their sponsors. Few Muslims today, due to the effective propaganda of the Saudi state, are aware of Ibn Taymiyyah’s true pronouncements and the controversy of his career. In fact, Ibn Taymiyyah spent much of his career in jail, placed there by the religious authorities of his time, usually for the accusation of anthropomorphism, or ascribing human attributes to God. Islamic theology is very clear about safeguarding the notion of God’s uniqueness and transcendence. This is interesting because, despite all their numerous tangents into various other details, the Wahhabi and Salafi scholars are devoted to ideas derived from Ibn Taymiyyah’s anthropormorphism. It’s there. It’s never very overt, but it is always there. Ibn Battuta, the renowned Muslim traveller, recorded that Ibn Taymiyyah “had a screw loose”, because during a sermon, he descended from the pulpit, and as he walked down its steps, he said that, when God descends from the highest heaven, “he descends like this”. (Little, Donald P. “Did Ibn Taymiyya have a screw loose?”, Studia Islamica, 1975, Number 41, pp. 95) It is this anthropomorphism that suggests he may have had an occult connection. Ibn Taymiyyah was born in Harran, which in the occult tradition, is one of the most important cities in its history, besides Babylon, Athens and Alexandria. Harran was the seat of the Sabians. This was a Gnostic group, that cleverly identified themselves with the Sabeans of the Koran to escape persecution. But they were nothing of the sort. Instead they were satanists who practiced human sacrifice, worshipped Tammuz, and practiced Neoplatonism and Hermeticism. In fact, when the Muslims began their great program of collecting and studying the works of the philosophers, by which the West eventually acquired this knowledge, it was the Sabians they turned to as translators. What happens then is that it is Sabian influence that results Sufism, and a very important occult work known as the “Epistles of the Brethren of Sincerity”, or in Arabic, Rasa’il ikhwan as-safa’ wa khillan al-wafa. It was largely composed by Ismailis under Sabian influence. And so it is that the basis of Scottish Rite Freemasonry is that the Templars supposedly learned their secret doctrines from the Sabians. Scholars avoid that subject, but they do study the possible connection between Sabianism and the sudden advent of the Kabbalah in the 12th century AD, following the return of the Templars to Europe. For instance, Gershom Scholem, who is known as the great authority on the subject, devoted his “Origins of the Kabbalah” to a study of the subject. What is puzzling is that the ideas of the Medieval Kabbalah were ones that had all but disappeared from Judaism for about 1200 years. So, considering the similarities, Scholem suggest that one possible avenue would have been the Sabians (also known as Mandeans). And recently, probably the most advanced study of the Kabbalah is Nathaniel Deutsch’s The Gnostic Imagination: Gnosticism, Mandaeism and Merkabah Mysticism. First he connects Gnostcism with early Kabbalah, but then examines the extensive similarities between Mandaism and Medieval Kabbalah, to conclude that one must necessarily have influenced the other. According to Deutsch: “at present, we must be satisfied with acknowledging the phenomenological parallels between the Mandaean and Kabbalistic traditions, although we must also seriously consider the possibility that both Mandaean and Kabbalistic sources drew on a common pool of earlier (Jewish?) theosophic traditions.” In fact, the one point which lends the most credence to this hypothesis, is the existence of an elaborate anthropomorphic doctrine among the Sabians. In the Kabbalah, it is known as the descriptions, or the Shiur Khomah, of the image of God called the Adam Kadmon. It mirrors similar speculations among the Sabians about a Cosmic Adam. Coincidence? In order to understand the connection, we need consider that the founder of the Salafi movement was a Jamal ud Din al Afghani, the Grand Master of the Egyptian Freemasons, who referred to each other as the Rasa’il ikhwan as-safa’ wa khillan al-wafa (Rafaat, Freemasonry in Egypt) One possible explanation about the mysterious teachings of Ibn Taymiyyah can be explained from information exposed recently by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, that Ibn Taymiyyah had an esoteric doctrine, that he taught only to his closest initiates. This is from Keller’s article: “Abu Hayyan, of Andalusion origin, settled in Damascus, knew Ibn Taymiya personally, and held him in great esteem, until the day that Barinbari (d. 717/1317) brought him a work by Ibn Taymiya called Kitab al-‘arsh [The book of the Throne]. There they found, in Ibn Taymiya’s own handwriting (which was familiar to Abu Hayyan), anthropomorphic suggestions about the Deity that made Abu Hayyan curse Ibn Taymiya until the day he died… Abu Hayyan, in his own Qur’anic exegesis of Ayat al-Kursi (Qur’an 2:258) in surat al-Baqara, recorded something of what so completely changed his mind: I have read in the book of Ahmad ibn Taymiya, this individual whom we are the contemporary of, and the book is in his own handwriting, and he has named it Kitab al-‘arsh [The book of the Throne], that “Allah Most High is sitting (yajlisu) on the Kursi but has left a place of it unoccupied, in which to seat the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace)” [italics mine]. Al-Taj Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn ‘Abd al-Haqq Barinbari fooled him [Ibn Taymiya] by pretending to be a supporter of his so that he could get it from him, and this is what we read in it (al-Nahwi, Tafsir al-nahr al-madd, 1.254). As Keller notes, “This is of interest not only because it documents (at the pen of one of Islam’s greatest scholars) that Ibn Taymiya had a “double ‘aqida [theology],” one for the public, and a separate anthropomorphic one for an inner circle of initiates” Ibn Taymiyyah just happened to live in Harran at a time to witness the end of the Sabian community, as a result of the conquest of the city by the Mongols. This may explain his continuing vociferous opposition to these new Mongol rulers. Because, Ibn Taymiyyah was unique in his pronouncements of the legality and necessity of fighting the Mongols. The Mongols had converted to Islam, but Ibn Taymiyyah argued that it was permitted to fight against them, because they had not been fully orthodox in their application of Shariah. The same arguments have been employed in the 20th, in deliberate reference to Ibn Taymiyyah, by the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood, to argue for terrorist activities against the various regimes of the Arab world. In most cases, such as the assassination of the Anwar Sadat, or the “Jihad” in Afghanistan, the fatwas of Ibn Taymiyyah have been cleverly used to manipulate these terrorists to serve a Western agenda.

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                In arguing too, Amarasiri own’d his skill, For e’en though vanquish’d he could argue still; With cut and paste of unending length Amazes the poor reader who has not read.
                Amarasiri, you have cut and pasted the view or opinion of virulent critics of Islam with vested interest, and concluded that their opinion is “Gospel Truth”. What about the opinions of the classical, trusted, revered Scholars of Islam, whom you are ignorant of, or you dishonestly omit? Let’s discuss what they have to say. Ibn Hajar also says (and this is also mentioned by as-Sakhaawee 8/104): No one says about ibn Taymiyyah that he is a kaafir except two types of people: either one who is himself a kaafir, or one who is ignorant of him… and all the different groups of the people of his time praised his knowledge, Deen and zuhd. Ibn Hajar also said in his commendation to ar-Radd al-Waafir (p.68): And if there were no virtues of Shaykh Taqi-ud-Deen (ibn Taymiyyah) except for his famous student Shaykh Shams-ud-Deen ibn Qayyim al-Jawzziyah – the author of many works, which both his opponents and supporters benefit from – then this would be sufficient indication of his (ibn Taymiyyah’s) great position. In the biography of ibn Taymiyyah in ad-Durar al-Kaaminah, Ibn Hajar writes: As-Suyootee said in Badhiyyatul-Wiaat (1/62): His books have no equal and he strove and traversed the path of the great Imaams in tafseer, hadeeth, fundamentals (usool), the branches (furoo) and the Arabic language. His student, the scholar of tafseer, al-Haafidh ibn Katheer, wrote about him in al-Bidaayah wan-Nihaayah (14/246): He attained great proficiency in many branches of knowledge, particularly knowledge of tafseer, hadeeth and usool. When Shaykh Taqiyyud-Deen ibn Taymiyyah returned from Egypt in the year 712H, he stayed with the Shaykh until he died, learning a great deal of knowledge from him, along with the knowledge he had already occupied himself in obtaining. So he became a singular scholar in many branches of knowledge. He also continued to seek knowledge greatly day and night and was constant in humbly calling upon his Lord. He recited well and had fine manners. He had a great deal of love and did not harbour any envy for anyone, nor harm anyone, nor seek to find fault with anyone, nor bear any malice towards anyone. I was one of those who most often kept company with him and I was one of the most beloved of people to him. I do not know of anyone in this world in this time who is a greater worshipper than him. His Salaah used to be very lengthy, with prolonged bowing and prostration. His companions would often reproach him for this, yet he never retorted back, nor did he abandon this practice – may Allaah shower His Mercy upon him. Another of his students, al-Haafidh ibn Rajab, said in Dhayl Tabaqaatul-Hanaabilah (4/450): He rahimahullah was constant in worship and performing the tahajjud Prayer, reaching the limits in lengthening his Salaah and devotion. He was constantly in a state of Dhikr and had an intense love for Allaah. He also had a deep love for turning to Allaah in repentance, humbling himself to Him with a deep sense of humility and helplessness. He would throw himself at the doors of Divine obedience and servitude. Indeed, I have not seen the likes of him with regards to such matters. Mullah Alee al-Qaaree said in al-Mirqaat (8/251) that both ibn Taymiyyah and ibn al-Qayyim were: … from the great ones of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaaah and from the awliyaa of this Ummah. Al-Mulla ‘Ali Qaari (may Allaah have mercy on him), who said, after quoting Ibn Hajar Al-Haythami’s accusations against them and his criticism of their ‘aqeedah: I say: Allaah protected them – i.e., Ibn al-Qayyim and his Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah – from this abhorrent accusation. The one who studies Sharh Manaazil al-Saa’ireen by Nadeem al-Baari al-Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah al-Ansaari, who is the Shaykh of Islam according to the Sufis, will clearly see that they were among Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah and are indeed among the awliya’ (close friends of Allaah) of this ummah. Among what he said in the book mentioned was the following: “These words of Shaykh al-Islam highlight his position as a prominent scholar of Ahl al-Sunnah, and his status among scholars, and it demonstrates that he is innocent of what his Jahami enemies accused him of, that he likened Allaah to His creation, as they usually accused the scholars of hadeeth and Sunnah, just as the Raafidis accuse them of being Naasibis, and the Naasibis accuse them of being Raafidis,, and the Mu’tazilah accuse them of being anthropomorphists. That is a legacy of the enemies of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who accused him and his companions of having invented a new religion. And this is a legacy of the scholars of hadeeth and Sunnah from their Prophet, that the people of falsehood give them offensive labels. May Allaah sanctify the soul of al-Shaafa’i, who said when he was accused of being a Raafidi: If being a Raafidi means loving the family of Muhammad, then let the two races (of mankind and jinn) bear witness that I am a Raafidi. May Allaah be pleased with our Shaykh Abu’l-‘Abbaas ibn Taymiyah when he said: If being a Naasibi means loving the family of Muhammad, then let the two races (of mankind and jinn) bear witness that I am a Naasibi. May Allaah forgive the third – Ibn al-Qayyim – when he said: If being an anthropomorphist means affirming the divine attributes and regarding them as being above the interpretation of a liar, Then praise be to Allaah, I am an anthropomorphist; bring your witnesses.” Mirqaah al-Mafaateeh by al-Mulla ‘Ali Qaari (8/146, 147). Mullah Ali Qaaris defense of Ibn Taumiyyah can be read in further detail by CLICKING HERE About the stupid and hollow charge of Anthropomorphism levelled at Islamic scholars by Amarasiri, I request the readers to CLICK HERE since it is a long dissertation and only those interested to know need avail themselves of the article.

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              J.Deane The Satan following Wahhabi Apologists say: RE: “Hadith of Najd 1. This refers to a saying of the Prophet (S). The Prophet has in some reports just referred to the East as the location of Nejd. 2. Other reports specifically states that Nejd is Iraq. 3. Hence Amarasiri is dishonest in misleading the reader to stating Nejd is in Saudi Arabia.” The Scholars who know say:Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, East of Medina EXPOSED! The Horn of Satan. Where is Najd – HORN of SATAN? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHymIJWMfA&feature=youtu.be Published on Dec 5, 2014 To all the doubters who still think Najd is in Iraq and not in Saudi Arabia. You noticed in this video that I quoted from scholars, Muslim geographers such as ibn Kurdadhbah, ibn Hawqal and even ibn Taymiyyah to leave you with no doubt that Najd is an area in modern day Saudi Arabia. Here I will once again quote ibn Taymiyyah so your mind will be at rest on this issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqBEm6oWTys&t=797s Published on Oct 25, 2015 This is the second video of a two part series where I identify and expose the evil known as “The Horn of Satan” (which originates from the land of Najd). This video will help you be aware of this evil which is hijacking our beautiful faith of Orthodox Islam and making us all suffer (particularly Muslims but non-Muslims also). Published on Dec 5, 2014 To all the doubters who still think Najd is in Iraq and not in Saudi Arabia. You noticed in this video that I quoted from scholars, Muslim geographers such as ibn Kurdadhbah, ibn Hawqal and even ibn Taymiyyah to leave you with no doubt that Najd is an area in modern day Saudi Arabia. Here I will once again quote ibn Taymiyyah so your mind will be at rest on this issue. Shaykh ibn Taymiyyah said in commentary of the hadeeth (where the sun rises) in Musnad Ahmad vol. 5, pp. 372-373 which is graded as authentic (QUOTE): “directly east of the city of the Prophet (p) is where Musaylimah the Liar came from – this one who claimed prophethood after the death of the Prophet (p) – and many people followed him. He was fought by Abu Bakr as-Siddiq” (Al-Jawab us-Sahih li-man Baddala din al-Masih, vol. 6, pp. 127-128). Musaylimah came from Al-Yamaamah and as I showed you in this video, that is located within Najd. This proves that Shaykh ibn Taymiyyah UNDERSTOOD Najd to be within the Arabian Peninsula, (modern day Saudi Arabia) and not in Iraq. HISTORICAL FACT: all the scholars who lived before the time of Muhammad ibn Abdil-Wahaab who had the title “An-Najdi” attached to their last names, in every case it was always understood that each of those scholars came from Arabia. No scholar who came from Iraq ever had the title “An-Najdi” attached to his last name. Now my brief refutation of the claim and evidences used to suggest Najd is in IRAQ. Evidence #1 The hadeeth of ibn Umar reported by Abu Nu’aym in “Hiliya tul Awliya” of Abu Nu’aym al-Isfihani, 6/133. The hadeeth has two particular narrators in it’s Sanad: 1) Abdullah bin Jaami’i al-Halwaani – He is a Mujhool (unknown) narrator and 2) Tawba bin Kisaan – He is thiqa but also considered weak according to some Muhaditheen. So, due these two narrators this hadeeth is actually weak. Evidence #2 The hadeeth of Jabir reported in Sunnan Ibn Majah (English) Vol. 1, Book 25, Hadeeth # 2915, Dar us Salam Publishers (Riyadh Najd) Saudi Arabia]. This hadeeth contains Ibrahim bin Yazeed who is “MATROOK” “DA’EEF” “MUNKAR UL HADITH” and not to forget Imam Bukhari (rah) himself used the wording “Sakatu ‘anhu” regarding him which proves him to be a worst kind of narrator. So, this hadeeth is not authentic. Evidence #3 The hadeeth of ibn Umar reported in “Mu’jam al Awsat” by at-Tabaraanee. The chain contains: 1) Ali bin Sa’eed bin Basheer and 2) Ziyad bin Biyan. They both have weakness and/or are not approved. Hence a chain from them will become weak. Evidence #4 The hadeeth in “Musnad Ahmed” which appears to have an authentic chain. The hadeeth comes via the route of “Handhalah. In this hadeeth Ibn Numayr narrates directly from Handhalah whereas in Sahih Muslim Ibn Numayr narrates this hadeeth from Ishaq bin Suliman first and then Handhalah and this same authentic hadeeth in Sahih Muslim DOES NOT contain the word “IRAQ” but instead uses the word “EAST” (see Sahih Muslim #6942). This same Handhalah is yet again a narrator in another hadeeth chain, and this hadeeth also contains the word “EAST” (see “Akhbar al Makkah” by Al-Fakihi, hadeeth #1123). So it is proven from this same Handhalah that he actually narrated the word “EAST’. Also, this hadeeth (referring to the east) appears to be mistranslated due to the words “Ya’umul Iraq”. However, “Yushero bi Yaddihi Ya’umul Iraq” does not necessarily mean that “he showed Iraq with his hand”. The literal word by word translation could be: “pointed (yushero) with (bi) his hand (yaddihi) “LEADING TOWARDS (YA’UMUL)” Iraq. The word “Ya’umul” proves that pointing was towards a generally eastern direction and not Iraq itself. So, the possible meaning is: “LEADING TOWARDS” Iraq, not Iraq itself. Evidence #5 Sahih Muslim, book 41, hadeeth #6943. The fact that Muslim narrated that Salim ibn `Abd Allah ibn `Umar applied this hadeeth to the people of Iraq does not limit its meaning to them. Let’s say for example that an evil starts out with it’s roots in Najd (modern day Saudi Arabia) but then spreads to other places, like Iraq or Egypt. The ROOT cause of this evil fitnah will still remain in the territory of Najd even if this fitnah will emerge from different places. It stands proven from the Prophet (p) that no matter where this evil emerges from, it will still be condemned. However, the hadeeth seems to imply that the people of Iraq were simply being warned of the “Horn of Satan” that would emerge in Najd (modern day Saudi Arabia), so that they would also not fall into this evil. Allah knows best.

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              April 5, 2016 at 4:38 am
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                In arguing too, Amarasiri own’d his skill, For e’en though vanquish’d he could argue still; With cut and paste of unending length and lies Deceives the poor reader with his confounded lies
                The Hadith of Najd is a famous hadith with several chains of narration about three geographical locations. While all Sunni Muslims accept the group of hadith as authentic, the exact location of the area referred to as “Najd” is disputed. According to two narrations in Sahih Bukhari, the Prophet(S) asks Allah to bless the areas of Bilad al-Sham (Syria) and Yemen. When his companions said Our Najd as well, he replied: There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head (e.g. horns) of Satan. In a similar narration, Prophet(S) again asked Allah to bless the areas Medina, Mecca, Sham, and Yemen and, when asked specifically to bless Najd, repeated similar comments about there being earthquakes, trials, tribulations, and the horns of Satan.
                “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from there appears the Horn of Satan.”
                It has been asserted that this hadith is relating the coming events that shook the Muslim nation, these known as fitnah or ‘trials’. Amongst the trials that arose in Iraq and the east was the martyrdom of Hussein ibn Ali, the grandson of Prophet(S), as well as the first battle between the Muslims that also occurred in Iraq. This as well as the tribulations that came along with the multitude of sects that formed in the east, specifically Iraq and Baghdad, being the Qadariyyah, the Jahmiyyah (from Jahm bin Safwan), the spread of the Mu’tazila, and the advent of the emergence of the Shia in opposition to the Sunni Muslims. It has also been identified as where the Dajjal or Antichrist is said to emerge from (according to a narration through Imam Nawawi). There have also been various conspiracy theories instigated against the people of the modern day region of Saudi Arabia known as ‘Najd’ however historically and geographically there is no substantial proof to support these arguments as well as the suggested argument contrasting with a number of sound hadith when objectively studied. Location of Najd The apparent meaning of ‘najd’ indicates a raised area, it is regarded that there are up to 13 various locations in the region regarded as ‘najd’. Various misconceptions have arisen with regard to the ‘hadith of Najd’ due to the modern day named area of Najd in Saudi Arabia. Historically the location has been accounted as being between the borders of Iraq and modern day Saudi Arabia. This is in accordance to “Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytaan” the definition of Najd depends on one’s own location, and from Madina, Najd would be Iraq. The area is indicated by various scholars of hadith as to be in accordance with this. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani said after quoting the words of al-Khattaabee explaining the meaning of Qarn (horn) ;
                “and others have said that the People of the East were disbelievers at that time and the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, informed us that the trials and tribulations would arise from that direction and it was as he said. And the first of the trials that arose, arose from the direction of the east and they were the reason for the splitting of the Muslim ranks, and this is what Satan loves and delights in. Likewise the innovations appeared from that direction.”
                Ibn Hajr quoted al-Khattabi as saying:
                “The najd is in the direction of the east, and for the one who is in Madeenah then his Najd would be the desert of Iraaq and it’s regions for this is to the east of the People of Madeenah. “The basic meaning of Najd is that which is raised/elevated from the earth in contravention to al-Gawr for that is what is lower than it. Tihaamah [the coastal plain along the south-western and southern shores of the Arabian Peninsula] is entirely al-Gawr and Mecca is in Tihaamah.'[…] by this [saying of al-Khattaabee] the weakness of the saying of ad-Daawodee is understood that ‘Najd is in the direction of Iraq’ [min Nahiya al-Iraq] for he suggests that Najd is a specific place. This is not the case, rather everything that is elevated with respect to what adjoins it is called Najd and the lower area called Gawr.”
                The celebrated 12th century historian Ali ibn al-Athir, who had frequently traveled to Iraq during the era of Saladin and had written his monumental work al-Kamil fi at-Tarikh (The Complete History), writes in his work ‘al-Nihâyah’ ; “Najd is the highland region. This name is given to area beyond the Hijâz towards Iraq.” It is also related that Imam Nawawi in his Sharh Saheeh Muslim 2/29 stated that this hadith had to with the Dajjal or Antichrist coming from the East. The Different regions of Najd Scholars have elucidated that there are perhaps up to thirteen various regions known as najd. The geographer and Islamic scholar, of Greek origin, Imam Yaqut al-Hamawi in his encyclopaedic work Mu’jam al-Buldan explained the various regions of najd as; 1. Najd Yemen. 2. Najd Iraq. 3. Najd Hejaz. 4. Najd Khal. 5. Najd Al-Shari. 6. Najd Azaar. 7. Najd Al-Aqaab. 8. Najd Kabkab. 9. Najd Mari. 10. Najd Alwaz. 11. Najd-e-Aja. 12. Najd Barqq. Contemporary theories A number of authors have claimed that the hadith refers to Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, the patronym of the Wahhabi movement. It is accounted that the origin of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab is from the modern day Najd region of Saudi Arabia, which happens to be the only surviving region that carried on the title of ‘Najd’ after the geographical codification regardless that there were several distinct locations known previously as ‘Najd’. This theory is generally supported by adherents to other various sects in Sunni Islam as well as Twelver Shi’ism that have disdain for Wahhabism. This is often speculated to be due to the revival of prophetic traditions, strictly clinging to hadith and negating what was seen at the time to be bid‘ah or ‘heretical innovations’, instigated by Ibn Abd al-Wahhab and later carried on by his followers. Contrary to the accusations there are numerical hadith that discredit this argument due to praise of the ethnic tribe of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, being the Bani Tameem tribe, and praise for the region of what is now known as Najd and its peoples. Through anthropological records it is accounted that the Bani Tamim are the majority of people inhabiting the land of modern day ‘Najd’ in present day Saudi Arabia. Also related in hadith #2543 and #4366 of Ibn Hajar’s Fath: “I have loved the people of the tribe of Banu Tamim, ever since I heard three things the Messenger of Allaah , sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said about them. I heard him saying, ‘these people (of the tribe of Banu Tamim) would stand firm against the Dajjaal.’ When the Saddaqat from that tribe came, the Messenger of Allaah , sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “these are the Saddaqat (charitable gifts) of our folk.” Aa’ishah had a slave girl from that tribe, and the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said to Aa’ishah, ‘manumit her as she is a descendant of Ismaa’eel, alayhis salaam.” Also from the Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal: “Do not say of Banu Tamim anything but good, for indeed they are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjaal.” The assertion of the Hadith of Najd as referring to Iraq is further clarified through other hadith which indicate that many trials and tribulations (fitan) will arise from this region. Scholars indicate this includes the rise of the Khawarij and other deviant sects. Narrated by Yusair bin ‘Amr:I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, “Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?” He said, “I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. “There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats,and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game’s body.’ ” Imam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (368h-463h) said: “Allah knows best that the reason behind pointing of Prophet peace be upon him towards east regarding fitna is that the biggest fitna which was the key of troubles was the martyrdom of Uthman ibn Affan may Allah be pleased with him, and that was the reason behind the war of Jamal and Siffeen, these troubles started from the east. Then Khawarij emerged from the land of najd, Iraq and it’s region. It is strange why Amarasiri is persisting in his stupidity by quoting “scholars” of less scholastic weightage over the Classical, overwhelmingly knowledgeable Scholars of the caliber of Ibn Hajar and Imam Navavi. Once the Prophet unequivocally states Iraq then it is stupidity raised to infinity to declare otherwise quoting cartographers, geographers, quantum physicists etc, etc, etc.

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      Double standards Why do you want to ban Thesawalamai laws?

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      April 3, 2016 at 1:39 pm
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        “Why should we ban thesawalami law” Thesawalami is not reasonable for Sinhalese and Muslims because it’s an obstacle for them to buy a property from northern province. There aren’t obstacles for Tamil people to buy a property from any part of Sri Lanka. We are not jealous of that but why can’t Jaffna people volunteer to abolish that law and enjoy equal rights with the rest of the population. It’s very good for better understanding with each other. Sri Lanka is the traditional homeland for Sri Lankans viz Sinhalese, Tamils and Muslims

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          sr “Thesawalami is not reasonable for Sinhalese and Muslims because it’s an obstacle for them to buy a property from northern province.” Could you cite reference. (You do not have to hide yourself in case if you are unable to find scholarly articles/books on this mostly misunderstood subject.) Many Muslims lived in their own houses in the North, so they claimed. Were/are they illegally occupying those houses?

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          April 3, 2016 at 4:47 pm
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            “Native vedda – could you cite reference” It’s time consuming to go for reference or for professional advice. But at least there’s a discouraging factor that neighbors have a right to involve in it that might be a reason to face difficulties in deciding the price of the property.

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              sr “It’s time consuming to go for reference or for professional advice.” Would you please stop typing about matters that you haven’t got a clue to start with. You too are playing a part in Sinhala/Buddhist propaganda machinery. To make your life less stressful please refer the Bible/Gita of Thesawalamai and the details are as follows: The Laws and Customs of The Tamils of Jaffna DR H W Thambiah Revised Edition 2004

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                native vadda “Would you please stop typing matters that you haven’t got a clue……..” First, thanks for the sources you provided At least I got a clue that’s why I mentioned it. Whether it’s right or wrong or the validity is a different matter. “You too are playing a part in Sinhala/Buddhist propaganda machinery” I deny I’m not a part of anybody’s propaganda machinery; consider, in which propaganda machinery you are a part? “to make your life less stressful please refer to…” Thanks but I have no stress I don’t see a need for sinhala buddhist propaganda at this juncture but there seems to be a propaganda of another group. I present my personal views; I don’t intend to hurt anybody but might try to make somebody think.

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          sr Have you tried to buy immovable property in Jaffna? If your purchase did not proceed to completion because of Thesavalamai Law, would you please please let us know which part of the said law obstructed your purchase? As far as I know there are hardly any Sinhalese willing to invest in land in Jaffna. There is no restriction on Muslims to buy land there despite Thesavalamai Law so where is the discrimination against Sinhalese to buy? If Sinhalese buy land in Jaffna there are many Tamils willing to sell at the current market price depending on vagaries of supply and demand. They are not going to sell for “Summa”. So Don’t grumble and come out with absurdities.

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            Uthungan In fact there are a few unofficial Sinhala Thesawalamai laws operating in Kandy and around. Chinese whispers help prevent Sinhalese selling their land and building to Muslims.

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            April 3, 2016 at 10:38 pm
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        Double standards and Native Vedda “Why do you want to ban Thesawalamai laws?” What are these laws? Thesavalamai When LTTE Chased away the Muslims and Sinhala, who got hold of the Land and properties? Did Thesawalamai laws apply? Did the LTTE follow those Laws? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesavalamai Thesavalamai is the traditional law of the Sri Lankan Tamil inhabitants Jaffna peninsula, codified by the Dutch during their colonial rule in 1707. The Thesawalamai is a collection of the Customs of the Malabar Inhabitants of the Province of Jaffna (collected by Dissawe Isaak) and given full force by the Regulation of 1806. For Thesawalamai to apply to a person it must be established that he is a Tamil inhabitant of the Northern Province. The Law in its present form applies to most Tamils in northern Sri Lanka. The law is personal in nature thus it applicable mostly for property, inheritance, and marriage.[1] Under this law, not all property could be given away. A person could give away only the tediatettam; i.e., joint property or property acquired by either spouse during the period after married life and or the priests acquiring from such properties. Even of the tediatettam property, the husband cannot alienate the whole property; the wife is entitled to half of it. Those properties inherited from the parents cannot be given away according to ones own wish. There are also cases of old ladies who do not have any children giving their properties to the temple.The landmark case Sivagnanalingam v Suntheralingam has given a new dimension to the tesawalamai law as it redefined its applicability. The judgement expanded the applicability of thesawalamai by settling the following points. The meaning of ordinary words is question of fact but the meaning to be attributed to enacted words is a question of law: The meaning of the expression “inhabitant of the Province of Jaffna” is a question of law. Inhabitant means permanent inhabitant – One who has his permanent home in Jaffna in the nature of a domicile in the Northern ProvinceThere can only be a Sri Lankan domicile and to that extent the term differs from the expression inhabitancy. Yet the idea of permanent home underlies both concepts and rules for identifying a person’s domicile can be applied to discover whether a family has a permanent home in the Northern Province and hence its members are inhabitants in that Province. There is a strong presumption in favour of the continuance of a domicile of originThere can only be a Sri Lankan domicile and to that extent the term differs from the expression inhabitancy. Yet the idea of permanent home underlies both concepts and rules for identifying a person’s domicile can be applied to discover whether a family has a permanent home in the Northern Province and hence its members are inhabitants in that Province. The Thesawalamai is the personal law of the Tamil inhabitants of the Northern Province. It applies to them wherever they are and to their movable and immovable property wherever situated in Sri Lanka. For the purpose of deciding on the rights of inheritance to the estate of a deceased husband, the time of his death is the relevant time and not the time of marriage. Certain principles of Thesawalamai law are in conflict with international standards relating to equality, such as CEDAW. Understanding Thesawalamai by Guiendran Tambiah http://www.infolanka.com/org/srilanka/hist/72.htm

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    I give a big applause to Hon.parliamentarian Hirunika.Go head with your program to stop child marriages no matter what the religion ,cast,creed of people or community,human rights are more valuable than any dogma adopted by any religion or culture.This is a free country even with some faults in democracy and vulgarity with politicians no shariya laws or any other Wahabi nonsense here. th

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    Hirunika and some so-called women organisations are up against protecting muslim women/ girls. I do not know who are operating these women organisation. This request should come from muslim community. There are many muslim organisations in the country. There are a lot of muslim women holding professional positions. They have freedom to speak to their woes. But some model changed politicians are shedding crockatail tears for muslim girls. First, the women who is raising about these matter should be of higher calibre in discipline, modest, etc. Hirunika, please remove your nude photos from websites to protect women rights

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    April 3, 2016 at 8:50 am
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      What is with you Islamists and the subjugation of women? How dare you tell that woman Hirunika what she can or cannot do with her body? Is it not enough that you have tried (thankfully failed in France) to abuse the freedom of Muslim women worldwide by banning them from expression, and forcing them to cover up in idiotic garbs? All while you merrily rape and stone them to death, if they survive underage ‘marriage’ in the first place? This is Sri Lanka, not Sharia land. You want to paint over the Sigiriya frescoes also?

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      April 3, 2016 at 1:57 pm
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        Dear Baghof, You have no rights to criticize what is practiced by muslim. You have to mind your own business. You or others other than muslims can not say what muslims should do and should not do. Marrying at young age is better than exposing the body and indulging in prostitution. Now prostitutes are staging protest for right of women? Is this your Sri Lanka?

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          Janoos We are all Sri Lankans and we have a right to criticise each other’s systems of law. After all they are fellow citizens. As a Muslim- I would tell you that there are so many areas that Muslim women suffer in this country. Do you know that men can divorce a woman without a reason according to our law and with only paying 3 months maintenance where as under the general law women get alimony if they divorce. Even if a woman is 65 she can be divorced without a reason. Of course the men will say that Allah’s throne shakes when a divorce take place but law allows freedom for men. They will continue to say Allah dislikes divorce but those provisions in the religion that supports women are not in the law. Men can get married to 4 women without any conditions. Religion says treat them equally and there is nothing in the law to find out whether they are treating equally. Quranic statements tell you that you must get married to orphans or widows but the second marriages are never that. How many married tsunami widows. Men even for the first time do not get married to widows or orphans. Muslims are reluctant to change our law and they do not want others doing it also. I tell these type of people either let the Muslims bring forth these anti women laws which is neither Islamic nor based on accepted human rights positions otherwise let the non Muslims come to our rescue. Muslims as a community do not want the rest of Sri Lanka to know what we go through. They think that it is akin to looking up and spitting or whatever. We should discuss openly about our problems and we need solutions

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          April 3, 2016 at 5:57 pm
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            Corrections I tell these type of people either let the Muslims bring forth LAWS AGAINST these anti women laws which is neither Islamic nor based on accepted human rights positions otherwise let the non Muslims come to our rescue.

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            Salma Junaideen Is it a long time since your husband divorced you? If it is more than three months, what kind of service can you offer to keep you going? Poor soul. Despite you being a very foolish person and thinking of Utube Slut Hirunika as your Champion, depending on your age may be some CT commenters may be willing to service you. Please reply please.

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              Funlover, this is issue not fun. Divorcee is not a condition to put an erudite comment. Make a response based on a her point. @CT, why do you publish these types of vulgar comments…

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              April 4, 2016 at 11:54 am
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          You are fighting for the fundamental right to be a pedophile- like your prophet PBUH. So be a good Muslim and enjoy pedophilia for as long as you can before others bring you back to civilization.

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      Is there a voice to Muslim women anywhere in the world, Covered with penguin suites, depriving their basic human rights and stoning to death if found having consensual sex!

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      April 4, 2016 at 3:38 pm
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        Srinath We cannot be part of a world where men dress their wives as prostitutes by showing everything that should be cherished. Where there is no concept of honour and dignity, and one can only rely on those when they say “I promise” Where women do not want children and men don’t want a family. Where the suckers believe themselves to be successful behind the wheel of their fathers’ cars, and a father who has a little bit of power is trying to prove to you that you’re a nobody. Where people falsely declare that they believe in God with a shot of alcohol in their hand and lack of any understanding of their religion. Where the concept of jealously is considered shameful and modesty is a disadvantage. Where people forgot about love, but simply looking for best partner. Where people repair every rustle of their car, not sparing any money nor time, and themselves, they look so poor that only an expensive car can hide it. Where the boys waste their parents money in nightclubs, aping under the primitive sounds, and girls fall in love with for this. Where men and women are no longer ago identifiable and where all this together is called freedom of choice, but for those who choose a different path-get branded as retarded despots. I choose my path, but it’s a pity that I did not find similar understanding in the people among whom I wished to find it most of all.

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    In general, people marry at young age will produce more children which leads to unfair distribution of the countries limited resources and gives economical hardship to the parents as well. Once china imposed law as only one child per family, but in general civilised society strict to two per family. for srilanka’s land problem, two per family is the best option.

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      “For Sri Lanka’s land problem, 2 per family is the best option” Land does not grow but population grows; this is a serious problem to the world. So giving birth to children needs attention. At least it must be in par with development and women should be given equal right for that. We have to decide it through development forecasts; what’s the population we can add to the next year or decade and equally spread that number among all the women, and maximum births you can give is two in your lifetime. After second successful pregnancy there should be mandatory rule for all the women to undergo a surgery to stop further pregnancies. You may argue that it’s inhuman but you can’t help it as it’s based on the reality.

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    I thought Sri Lanka has no such issue. It is happening in most of the poorer Muslim countries and the parents sold their daughters at young age to blokes (very much older) to get financial benefit. This is crime should be stopped. Further the blokes marrying four women need to be stopped.

    Jay
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      For Persons other than Muslims, age of marriage is 18. But there are many instances because of the age bar, the couples live together. Sometimes the girl is 16 and the boy friend is 20, but the law does not permit a marriage. They even have children and it does complicates life for these couples. It is a long process sometimes to establish the paternity which is important for legal purposes. DNA tests are not that convenient for ordinary poor folks. Supposing the child is below 16, and she CONSENTS for sex and the boy can be charged for rape. According to law consent to have sex by a girl less than 16 is not valid. I feel that we should not have a LEGAL age of marriage, but create awareness on the consequences of child marriage, encourage education. I am not approving early marriage and should not be encouraged. When it is a legal matter, it is another issue. As it is our age of marriage is increasing.

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      April 3, 2016 at 2:33 pm
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    Excellent initiative. We have to change the mind set of these backward people. What they do to little girls is a big crime. The little children are still underdeveloped physically, and they are not mature enough to face marriage and what it entails. What do they know of men and consummating these marriages? They should be playing with their toys, and enjoying their childhood. No parent should even consider allowing their little girls/boys to experience what adults are mature enough to face. Of course there is poverty that urges these parents to resort to this custom, but they should not conclude that giving a little child in marriage will help her in any way. She will be traumatized in many ways, and an early pregnancy is harmful to her health. Any man agreeing to marry a little girl should be treated like a pedophile. It is up to us to safeguard our little children. I hope we act like a civilized nation and raise the legal age for marriage. It would be good for the adults to learn the consequences of giving their helpless little girl/boy into marriage, it seems ignorance plays a big part too.

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    Hirunika Just keep away from us Muslim women and our affairs please. We know who you are. If you have forgotten who you were/are take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UpbPNsytpw

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    April 3, 2016 at 4:50 pm
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      All the Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim and Malay both men, women and children are part and parcel of Sri Lankan life so it’s natural for anybody to have concern about others in the country. There’s no reason to take it as offensive and It’s sad to mention that the request to keep away from us Muslim women is anti-social.

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      April 3, 2016 at 7:37 pm
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      Ayesha, you are named after the child bride who was given in marriage to the world’s most famous pedophile PBUH. Hirunika looks lovely in those pictures and some are definitely photo-shopped becuse her body is different. Sri lanka is not some primitive sharia land where people are enslaved and where stoning are practiced. keep what is good in Islam, if any. and throw away the idiotic practices of the Muslim religion like child brides which only benefits the dirty old men of your community. In the UK there are some Muslim imbeciles who want to demolish urinals because in some of the Hadiths it is said that Mohamed peed squatting most of the time.

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        In 1400 years customs of the people have changed. In the period in question it was a common practice for girls from ages 9 to 14 to be married in Europe,Asia, Africa And America. In 350 AD St. Augustine married a 10 year old. King Richard II married a 7 year old in 1400AD. Henry VIII married a 6yr old in 1500 AD. Church of England Ministers could marry 12 yr olds till 1929 in Britain. Catholic canon law permitted marrying 12 yr olds up to 1983. Till 1881 in the State of Delaware, the minimum marriageable age was 7 years and in California it was 12 yrs. Now it is well known how the Prophet was physically & verbally abused during his period of time. They called him phony, crazy, even a magician, but none of his worst enemies accused him of being a Paedophile. Hence to pontificate on morality of a bygone era without knowing the customs and traditions of that period is not only exposing a lack of scholarship, but also a contemptuous disregard for the judgement of intellectual giants of the caliber of Ghandi, Sarojini Naidu, Annie Besant, George Bernard Shaw, Goethe,Thomas Carlyle, and La Martine, to name a few, who all held the character of the noble Prophet of Islam in very high esteem! To single out only the Prophet (S) amongst so many others, including venerated religious icons, should surely be tagged ISLAMAPHOBIC,

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          I don’t see your argument. All you did was name Mohamed’s pedophile fellow travellers.In today’s world Mohamed would be considered a pedophile, rapist, looter, in addition to being cranky. I don’t know about his ability in performing magic. this is the role model of the Muslims and the reason why they are a fundamentally sick society. Also Mohamed actively promoted first cousin marriages resulting in inbreeding that has led to widespread mental retardation in all Muslim. even in Sri lanka Muslim children are more likely that any community to be born with Downs Syndrome or even with additional toes or thumbs.

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      Ayesha “Just keep away from us Muslim women and our affairs please.” You are in Sri Lanka. You are subject to the Sri Lankan National Laws. The National Laws sit in judgement of your traditions. Your child bride traditions, are not compatible with the national child protection laws. They need to be compatible with the child protection laws. We do not want Sri Lankan children, Muslim or not, dying because of under age Child marriages. Hirunika is very brave to bring this up. This should be done. Do you know that according to Muslim Law, you are considered Chattel, to be owned by your father, brother or other male relative, just like furniture to be transferred in a transaction, like in a marriage. The owner or guardian is called a Wali. On the Muslim Marriage Certificates, the brides does not sign. One does not know if the child bride gave the permission even forced to marry. These should be changed. 1. Minimum marriageable age . 18 years old. 2. Marriage certificates should have the brides signature and 3 Witnesses for her signature. Muslim Law still treat women as chattel. Are you a chattel or a women? The Ulama and Muslim men claim it is the tradition of the Prophet, “Sunnah”. to do child marriages, and cite the marriage to Aisha, when she was 6 or 9 years old. However, they do not want to follow the Prophets First Tradition, marrying Kadhija who was between 35 and 40 years old when Prophet Mohamed was 25 years old. Why the Double Standards of the Muslim men and their Ulama? Besides, they have permission to marry up to 4 wives.

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        This dotard Amarasiri has started infecting this thread with a heap of nonsense and downright lies. In other threads he posed of as a Quranic Scholar quoting verse after verse with no relevance to the subject he was discussing. Amarasiri Do you know that according to Muslim Law, you are considered Chattel, to be owned by your father, brother or other male relative, just like furniture to be transferred in a transaction, like in a marriage. The owner or guardian is called a Wali. The FACT is… According to Islamic Law, women cannot be forced to marry anyone without their consent. Ibn ‘Abbas reported that a girl came to the Messenger of God, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), and she reported that her father had forced her to marry without her consent. The Messenger of God gave her the choice… (between accepting the marriage or invalidating it). [Ibn Hanbal No. 2469] In another version, the girl said: “Actually I accept this marriage but I wanted to let women know that parents have no right (to force a husband on them)” [Ibn Majah, No. 1873] Some relevant quotes from the Quran
        “…So their Lord accepted their prayers, (saying): I will not suffer to be lost the work of any of you whether male or female. You proceed one from another…” [Noble Quran 3:195] “Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has faith, verily to him will We give a new life that is good and pure, and We will bestow on such their reward according to their actions.” [Noble Quran 16:97, see also 4:124]
        Besides all other provisions for her protection at the time of marriage, it was specifically decreed that woman has the full right to her Mahr, a marriage gift, which is presented to her by her husband and is included in the nuptial contract, and that such ownership does not transfer to her father or husband. The concept of Mahr in Islam is neither an actual or symbolic price for the woman, as was the case in certain cultures, but rather it is a gift symbolizing love and affection.
        “…And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them, and men are a degree above them.” [Noble Quran 2:228] “…But consort with them in kindness, for if you hate them it may happen that you hate a thing wherein God has placed much good.” [Noble Quran 4:19] And we have enjoined upon man (to be good) to his parents: His mother bears him in weakness upon weakness…” [Noble Quran 31:14] [See also Quran 46:15, 29:8]
        The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives. [Ibn-Hanbal, No. 7396] A man came to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) asking: O Messenger of God, who among the people is the most worthy of my good company? The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, Your mother. The man said then who else: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, Your mother. The man asked, Then who else? The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, Your mother. The man asked, Then who else? Only then did the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) say, Your father. [Al-Bukhari and Muslim] For further reading I suggest the reader CLICK HERE and judge for themselves if women are treated as chattels or are elevated to the status described in the texts mentioned above.

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          All contributions following mine are bold and in italic, hence could have been to mine. Sorry for the Lapse

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          J.Deane Amarasiri Said: “Do you know that according to Muslim Law, you are considered Chattel, to be owned by your father, brother or other male relative, just like furniture to be transferred in a transaction, like in a marriage. The owner or guardian is called a Wali.” Chattel.Slave. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chattel Simple Definition of chattel : something (such as a slave, piece of furniture, tool, etc.) that a person owns other than land or buildings. So, the “girl” or “bride” is a chattel, a slave. When the chattel is transferred, the slave is transferred in ownership, the slave, the “girl’, “bride” does not sign. Only the owner of the Chattel, the slave, “girl” signs. That is why under Sri Lankan Muslim Law, the “girl” does not sign. Only the slave owner, father, brother or other male, signs. Go and look at the Sri Lankan Muslim Marriage certificates. Only the slave owner signs. Many Muslim Apologists claim that they asked the girl, and got her permission. While it is true in many cases, there are many other cases where the girl was forced and was under duress. There is no written documentation attesting that the gird agreed to the marriage willingly with witnesses. The current Sri Lankan Muslim Law allows for a Muslim man to marry a Muslim girl over 12 years old, yes 12 years old. Think about it. What 12-year old girl, a school girl who has just entered grade 7, learning science, algebra arithmetic, geography, civics etc. would like to be taken out of school away from her friends, and fucked by by an older man getting her vagina and uterus torn? She will not agree. She had to be forced. The parents have to be bribed, or they hate their daughter and will do this as a punishment. So, Sri Lankan legislators need to change the Sri Lankan Muslim Marriage Law to 1. Age 18 for the Girl 2.The Girl has to sign, in front of two or 3 witnesses, in the same registration of marriage, agreeing o the marriage, like others are doing now, without being forced and not under duress. Hirunika, please ignore the s called Muslim “Leaders” and their Religious “Leaders” and save the girls. Hirunika, please also ask why they are not following the Prophet Mohammed’s, PBUH, tradition of marrying an older women, but want to rape young girls?

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          J.Deane J.Deane Says: “The FACT is… According to Islamic Law, women cannot be forced to marry anyone without their consent.” The FACT is… even though According to Islamic Law, women cannot be forced to marry anyone without their consent, she is forced to marry, whether she gives here consent or not. Raping the innocent in Islam- Child marriages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQlX-utp7JA Published on Dec 17, 2013 One of the greatest evils in this religion is the marriage of 14 million minors to old men so that they can abuse them sexually. The must be stopped. People must speak out and do something. They conveniently forget that Prophet Mohamed, initially married an older women, 35-40 years old, and want to go only after his later one child marriage. This is Tribalism. 38,000 girls under the age of 15 are married off daily .. does this not mean anything to you? Fuck any politician that says we have to respect cultural differences, so that old men can marry, rape, fuck and tear the vagina and uterus of these young girls. I respect those girls who are enslaved. the men who enslaved them aren’t worth respect. .

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          J.Deane “Amarasiri Says: Do you know that according to Muslim Law, you are considered Chattel, to be owned by your father, brother or other male relative, just like furniture to be transferred in a transaction, like in a marriage. The owner or guardian is called a Wali.” J.Deane Says: “The FACT is… According to Islamic Law, women cannot be forced to marry anyone without their consent.” Amarasiri Says to J Deane: Bullshit, Tell that to Iblis Satan Following Wahhabies and their Clones. Child Bride in Islam – Following the Lifestyle of Muhammad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVskhnmn9tw Uploaded on Mar 26, 2011 Sins of Prophet are being repeated – Muhammad was 53 years old when he married Aisha and she was six and he took her to bed when she was nine. What is also disgusting is how parents are ok with this sort of vile behavior and give their girls to pedophiles for physical, sexual and mental abuse. Their concept of ‘honor’ is as distorted as Islam’s concept of ‘peace’.

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          J.Deane What d you know. We know the Wahhabis and their clones are the least intelligent of the human species, going by the GMAT scores of the Wahhabi Saudi Graduates. They do not know the difference between Reverence and Worship either. Amarasiri says: ” Do you know that according to Muslim Law, you are considered Chattel, to be owned by your father, brother or other male relative, just like furniture to be transferred in a transaction, like in a marriage. The owner or guardian is called a Wali.” J. Deane Says: “The FACT is… According to Islamic Law, women cannot be forced to marry anyone without their consent.” Let’s see the facts. 8 year old Yemeni Child Bride Dies on Wedding Night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPyS6bmECPg Published on Mar 30, 2014 More on Muslim child brides here. Some Comments. “This is rape and murder of a young child. Cut off his head!!” “No child should be married before they’re ready. It makes me absolutely sick. The world is seriously messed up.” “My God that makes me angry, They are pedophiles and they are allowed to marry children because of the religion, sick absolutely, that little angel will be in heaven>”

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              J.Deane You describe well the Wahhabies and their clones Salafies and their clones who follow Satan, Iblis and the Devil. Get out of Wahhabism ans Salafism before you roast in Hell with Satan, Iblis. And how the “scholars” of Islam, which were truly the companions of the devil. Abdul Wahhab and Ibn Taymiah. Satan Iblis knows that. Iblis, Satan know that the Wahhabies and their Clones go and Kill Muslims. al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU Hadith | Conspiracy To Destroy Islam Published on Nov 10, 2014 The impact hadith and politics has had in destroying true Islam. Which in essence teaches compassion. justice, kindness and peace.And how the “scholars” of Islam, which were truly the companions of the devil. Were able to bamboozle the Muslim civilization. The hadith clearly contains information that was written to purposefully destroy Islam. By forbidding the most trivial things the scholars of Islam were able to have total control over the followers. Today Islam is nothing more than a cult controlled by the demons in Saudi Arabia, the Wahhabies. Who sold Islam away for oil money. Muslims or so called Muslims are mentally and spiritually enslaved to Shaytan through politics, hadith and the corrupt fabrication called “sunnah” of Muhammad pbuh. Wahhabi sack of Karbala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala The Wahhabi sack of Karbala occurred in 21st of April 1802 (1216 Hijri), under the rule of Abdul-Aziz bin Muhammad the second ruler of the First Saudi State, killing above 5000 of the inhabitants and plundered the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad and son of Ali bin Abu Talib (the cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad)) which was destroyed.[1] According to a Wahhabi chronicler `Uthman b. `Abdullah b. Bishr: “The Muslims” — as the Wahhabis referred to themselves, not feeling the need to distinguish themselves from other Muslims, since they did not believe them to be Muslims — scaled the walls, entered the city … and killed the majority of its people in the markets and in their homes. [They] destroyed the dome placed over the grave of al-Husayn [and took] whatever they found inside the dome and its surroundings … the grille surrounding the tomb which was encrusted with emeralds, rubies, and other jewels … different types of property, weapons, clothing, carpets, gold, silver, precious copies of the Qur’an.”

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              J.Deane RE: Wahhani, Salafis, Iblises, Satans and Fools. http://www.sunnah.com The Book on Marriage. http://sunnah.com/search/?q=Age+marriage 19)Chapter: What Has Been Related About Coercing A Female Orphan To Marry Abu Hurairah narrated that: The Messenger of Allah said: “An orphan is to be consulted about herself, then if she is silent that is her permission, and if she refuses, then do not authorize it (the marriage) for her” (meaning: when she attains the age of puberty and refuses it.) Grade : Hasan (Darussalam) Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1109 In-book reference : Book 11, Hadith 30 English translation : Vol. 2, Book 6, Hadith 1109 Report Error | Share

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                So now realize you have been writing poppycock all the while, wasting our time and yours! The mark of an intelligent man is that he expresses an idea or thought in a few words I.e with economy of words be it written or spoken. For all your Quantum Physics, GMAT scores etc etc you fall very very short of this standard. Surely you must be the King of prolixity!

                J.Deane
                April 9, 2016 at 7:56 am
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              J.Deane Religion Is For People Who Don’t Think called IDIOTS , including Wahhabies and their clones…- Ray Hagins This guy is awesome. Religion is bullshit but people are too ignorant to understand that. Religion Is Definitely A Powerful Weapon Being Used On The Masses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBSWeuBk_M Any religion whatsoever, watching this affirms my strong conviction that in fact all religions are created to control, manipulate, and sedate the consciousness of an individual or people to the benefit of those who created it. With all due respect to black folks who believe in Christ, and others who believe in others,how can you worship a person that was sold to you by those who have with no doubt enslaved, degraded, humiliated, manipulated, killed, raped, lynched, and are perpetually terrorizing your very own existence to this date, and you can’t still see there is something off about that. Ben Franklin Quote: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Deep quote on so many levels. George Santayana Quote: “Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.” Deep quote on so many levels.

              Amarasiri
              April 7, 2016 at 8:25 am
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    It is so funny to read bestial Sinhala Racists, descendants of the jungle beast, in the Article, and in the comments, taking such a keen interest in the welfare of Muslim women. Ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa.

    Funlover
    April 3, 2016 at 5:02 pm
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      Corrections I tell these type of people either let the Muslims bring forth LAWS AGAINST these anti women laws which is neither Islamic nor based on accepted human rights positions otherwise let the non Muslims come to our rescue.

      Salma Junaideen
      April 3, 2016 at 6:43 pm
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      If Muslims are not looking after their women, others see that they are not subject to unfair treatment. I do not see anything wrong in us taking up Muslim issues

      priyangika
      April 3, 2016 at 6:45 pm
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    Very Good article …just tell us who made the minimum age as 18 or other …it just accepted by all and if UN human rights says next the minimum age should be 16 then we all accept?…pls note it was 22 some time back and come to 18 …pls also not in Taxas in America and some states area of America the marriage age is 13 and 14 where a girl can marry with the concern of parents or court… Therefore it is just a matter of requirement and however Islam permit a girl to marry soon after Puberty it can at the age of 15 or 12 but the cut off limit is puberty …so its a law govern muslims, importantly no one can pressure/harass her for marriage and she can decide on her if anyone to so they should be dealt with existing law of the country … I totaaly agree with author where number of areas to be amended in MMDA

    ibadun
    April 3, 2016 at 6:31 pm
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    In UK the minimum age for marriage is 16 years. In US it is 14 years. But they have to get the consent of the parents and/or judges if they are below 18. If you want to prevent under-18 marriages, that decision should be taken by that age group only, and not by these old bitches. Do a survey among all the boys and girls of that age group in Sri Lanka to find out whether they like to allow marriages at the age of 14-18. In some developed countries high school children are given free and compulsory condoms. If you want to prevent such deterioration of the culture, just reduce the minimum age of marriage.

    Villageman
    April 3, 2016 at 6:37 pm
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    The ‘sex act’ is for both pleasure and procreation. Humans require both. Nature endows ability for both at early age. This causes unwanted, unlawful, socially stigmatising ‘child pregnancies’, and, forceful sex acts called ‘rape’ and ‘sexual assaults’. Allowing marriage at early age, with consent of both parties and families, by law, will avoid these and endow happiness and harmony.

    justice
    April 3, 2016 at 6:54 pm
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    All these womens organisations are asking that we have one law for everyone, not one rule for Muslim, anotherrfor tamil and another for the Sinhala people. What’s so wrong with that? Are we not all citizens of one country under one rule of law? Is it not racism to have different laws based on race or religion?

    Citizen of SL
    April 3, 2016 at 10:17 pm
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    Muslim men want to have the option to have sex with girls below the age of 16. the prophet Mohamed mated with a 9 year old Aisha. Those are fundamental Muslim rights given to them by God

    leslie
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      leslie “Those are fundamental Muslim rights given to them by God” No they are just tribal traditions. Up Country Sinhala women can have many husbands, provided they are brothers.

      Amarasiri
      April 4, 2016 at 7:46 am
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        The upcountry sinhalese women are adults. the muslim child brides are chlidren. often the child brides are married off to an older first cousin

        leslie
        April 4, 2016 at 10:53 am
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          leslie “the muslim child brides are chlidren. often the child brides are married off to an older first cousin” With or without her consent. “The upcountry sinhalese women are adults” However, family pressure and traditions make he accept a bunch of brothers as husbands, so that the properties are not divided. The children do not know who their father is, but at at least know their mother. The mother does not know who the father is the child is, but gives the answer it is any of the brothers. However, economically, the child is better off because the child has many fathers to look after him. The women is better off too, because she reduces her economic risk and being a widow, and besides enough husbands to keep her sexually active and satisfied. If Amaerasiri were a women, will accept the Sinhala Up Country Marriage Custom.

          Amarasiri
          April 4, 2016 at 7:36 pm
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      leslie “Muslim men want to have the option to have sex with girls below the age of 16” Age 12 and up. 7th Graders. The girls should be at school, instead of being f***** up by an old guy, tearing the girls vagina and uterus. The girls should finish school. The marriageable age should be 18.

      Amarasiri
      April 5, 2016 at 2:43 pm
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    what happens if a Muslim man engages in statutory rape against an underage girl who is not Muslim? Is he a pedophile?

    leslie
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      leslie “what happens if a Muslim man engages in statutory rape against an underage girl who is not Muslim? Is he a pedophile?” The belief of the victim, does not come into play. Pedophile, yes; rape, yes, statutory or not..

      Amarasiri
      April 4, 2016 at 6:00 pm
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        Now just reword the sentence as follows : ‘what happens if a muslim engages in statutory rape rape against an underagage Muslim girl? Is he a pedophile?

        leslie
        April 5, 2016 at 8:58 am
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    let children be children….

    ballah
    April 4, 2016 at 10:06 am
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      did you ask this from your God father at the time , his moronic children ran amok in lanken roads introducing night car races ?

      Sinchuappu
      April 4, 2016 at 12:35 pm
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        you seem like a child molester..

        ballah
        April 4, 2016 at 5:00 pm
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    Hear we go again Muslims using religion to rape young girls , [Edited out] this religion is good for ancient medieval barbaric humans, not suited to modern world

    arjuna
    April 4, 2016 at 12:45 pm
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    Religion its self is a curse. All religions for that matter.Let women decide what is right for them and they should be given equal rights.

    azmi
    April 4, 2016 at 9:20 pm
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      azmi “Let women decide what is right for them and they should be given equal rights.’ Watch out!. The Wahhabiess,Salafies, their clones and the Ulama will chop your head off. For them, women are Chattel, movable property, Slaves.

      Amarasiri
      April 6, 2016 at 10:55 pm
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    The law and order situation in areas like Kattannkudi , Samanthurai , Akkaraipattu is pretty bad . No helmets are worn , no road rules observed etc etc . Clearly there are different laws for different folks in ‘the land like no other ‘ .

    The oracle
    April 5, 2016 at 5:09 pm
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    Laws directed at communities are inherently dangerous and laws based on religions are even more dangerous. We should have only one set of laws for all Sri Lankans, whatever their religion, class, creed, community or beliefs.

    Sylvia Haik
    April 6, 2016 at 12:31 am
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      Law must be by the people for the people, not by an inhuman(even the god) for the people. (there’s a possibility for a devil to pretend to be a god)

      sr
      April 6, 2016 at 8:27 am
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    In the midst of all this try lets also reintroduce an archaic law we had in our country where brothers could share one wife and when he is in bed with this girl he hangs his underwear on the door outside warning the other brothers “keep out” she is mine for the night.I think it was a an upcountry law I know this law was there but could some one on this site enlighten us further on this law

    colin
    April 6, 2016 at 6:55 pm
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      colin “we had in our country where brothers could share one wife and when he is in bed with this girl he hangs his underwear on the door outside warning the other brothers “keep out” she is mine for the night.I think it was a an upcountry law” Yes, we had it. It was the Up country family “Tradition”. The family pressure and traditions makes the women accept a bunch of brothers as husbands, so that the properties are not divided. The children do not know who their father is, but at at least know their mother. The mother does not know who the father of the child is, but gives the answer it is any of the brothers. However, economically, the child is better off because the child has many fathers to look after him. The women is better off too, because she reduces her economic risk and being a widow, and besides enough husbands to keep her sexually active and satisfied. If Amarasiri were a women, will accept the Sinhala Up Country Marriage Custom, but as a man, pretty bad deal, have to share “wife”. Unfortunately for the women, and fortunately for the man, the British Imperialists and Colonialists banned it. Amarasiri would prefer the Islamic tradition, that allows up to 4 wives, and gives the option to divorce nasty wives by declaring Divorce, Divorce, Divorce three times in Arabic, and paying only 3-months worth of compensation. She gets to keep the “Bride Money” paid during her “Acquisition” as wife for compensation.. Brothers share one wife – Fraternal Polyandry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7HKmu3eMEk Uploaded on Oct 24, 2008 Brothers share wife to secure family land HIMACHAL PRADESH, India (CNN) — Amar and Kundan Singh Pundir are brothers. Younger brother Amar breaks rocks in a mine for a living. Kundan farms their small piece of inherited land. They live in a beautiful but remote hillside village in the clouds of Himachal Pradesh, India. Both aged in their forties, the two brothers have lived together nearly their whole lives. They are poor and share just about everything: Their home, their work and a wife. “See we have a tradition from the beginning to have a family of five to 10 people. Two brothers and one wife.” Kundan says. They practice what is known as fraternal polyandry — where the brothers of one family marry the same woman. Why? Tradition and economics . Life is hard here. The village is precariously perched on the side of a very steep hill about 6,000ft up. Most of the villagers survive off tiny plots of cropland . In this difficult terrain there isn’t enough land to go around. So, instead of finding separate wives and splitting up their inherited property, the brothers marry the same woman and keep their land together. Wife Indira Devi says life with two husbands isn’t easy. “We fight a lot.” But like any married couple they fight mostly over mundane stuff, except there are three spouses instead of two. “Usually it’s about chores, why didn’t you do this? Why didn’t you do that?” she says. One thing they agreed on was the need to have children; They have three. So how does a married trio deal with sex? “We make shifts, change shifts and sleep on alternate days. We have to make shifts otherwise it won’t work,” Kundan says. “To run our families we have to do this, overcome the hurdles as well and then we have to control our hearts from feeling too much,” Amar adds. To outsiders their arrangement may seem odd, but in the village of about 200 it is the norm. Typically the marriages are arranged and women have two husbands. But some wives have three or four depending on how many brothers there are in a family. Polyandry is illegal in India but socially acceptable here. No one from the government seems to bother the villagers about the law. “It’s been going on for ages. My sister in law has two husbands, my mother in law also has two husbands,” Indira says. And as to the question of which husband is the biological father of the children — the Pundir’s don’t know and don’t care. “For me everyone is the same, my mother and my fathers are the same. My mother and my fathers are like God to me,” 17-year old daughter Sunita Singh Pundir says. Even as modern society arrives in this ancient village through satellite dishes and mobile phones, the Pundirs say they want their age-old tradition to continue with their children. “Absolutely,” eldest son Sohna says. He and his younger brother have already discussed it and will marry the same woman. Daughter Sunita isn’t so sure. “I would like one husband,” she says. But when asked if she will marry for love or tradition, Sunita’s answer makes it clear the tradition of marrying more than one man will continue with the next generation. “I will never leave our tradition even if I have to forgo love. I will never spoil my parents’ reputation and my brothers.'”

      Amarasiri
      April 6, 2016 at 11:11 pm
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        Amarasiri you say “The family pressure and traditions makes the women accept a bunch of brothers as husbands, so that the properties are not divided. The children do not know who their father is, but at at least know their mother. The mother does not know who the father of the child is, but gives the answer it is any of the brothers. However, economically, the child is better off because the child has many fathers to look after him ” Come on my friend if the mother doesnt know who the father is then how does the child inherit? Further if you think that without confirmation of paternity a man will look after the offspring you are living in a dream world. As humans each brother will shirk his responsibility and expect the other brother to shoulder the burden of paternity thereby conserving his wealth.If the brothers fall off the situation becomes worse and the poor child is left at the mercy of the mother to care for him or her as the father is not identified.No wonder they scrapped this crazy practice as the social consequences would have been terrible and not practicable. At least where polygamy is concerned where a person has more than one wife paternity and maternity are sure and also the multiple wives may cooperate with one another in bringing up the children born by them and the children too can carry the fathers name so that society will not look at them with a slant. As for inheritance the father will have to divide it amongst all the children his wives bore. <

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          colin “Come on my friend if the mother doesnt know who the father is then how does the child inherit? Further if you think that without confirmation of paternity a man will look after the offspring you are living in a dream world. ” When one is brought up in that tradition, as was followed in the Up Country areas of Sri Lanka up to the British Times, and still practiced in some parts of the world, including the Himalayan regions, it is about sharing limited resources. Everything, including personal feelings are subservient to the tradition. Each man does not know who the father is, and besides they are brothers, and each man is either the father or the uncle. “As for inheritance the father will have to divide it amongst all the children his wives bore.” Work out the Math. Polyandry: A bunch of brothers, say 4 brothers own 8 acres of Paddy or agricultural land, which they inherited from their parents. The 4 Brothers go and get 1 wife, still work the land as before. Now one more mouth to feed. Now say there are two children, Two more moths to feed, from the same 8 acres.The original 4 brothers and parents, 6, has now increased to 9 mouths to feed. In time the Barents die, and the total mouths is 7, ot 8/7 = 1.4 acres/mouth. Monogamy: Each of the 4 bothers go and get married. Each gets 2 acres. They have 2 children, and now 2 acres have to feed 4 mouths, 0r 0.5 acres/mouth. Polygamy: Each brother gets 4 wives, and the 4 brothers get a total of 16 wives. Assume each wife gets 2 children each, and each brother has 8 children, and all 4 bother 32 children. Assume that the parents are dead by now, Now 8 acres have to feed 4 brothers, 16 wives and 32 children, 52 mouths to feed,or 8/52 = 0.15 acres/mouth. Primogeniture So, something have to give in. In Europe and many other places, Primogeniture. the Oldest Child inherited the while prophet, and all their siblings had to leave. They found new land, or immigrated, elsewhere like America etc. So, in Europe, Polyandry, gives a man to live survive and have a shot at producing his own off spring, in a shared manner, instead of Primogeniture, where he gets nothing.

          Amarasiri
          April 7, 2016 at 5:08 pm
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          colin “As humans each brother will shirk his responsibility and expect the other brother to shoulder the burden of paternity thereby conserving his wealth” It is tradition,. It is economics. It is survival. See below. Fraternal polyandry among the olden-day Sinhalese ‘Eka-ge-kema’ : Tennent records that an aged chief of the Four Corales, Aranpulle Ratemahatmeya informed him in reply to an inquiry addressed to him, that the prevalence of polyandry was attributable to the fact that when the people gave their attendance at the royal palace, and at the residences of the great headmen, besides contributing labour on the lands of their lords and accompanying them in their distant journeys. “During such intervals of prolonged absence their own fields would have remained uncultivated and their crops uncut, had they not resorted to the expedient of identifying their representatives with their interests, by adopting their brothers and nearest relatives as the partners of their wives and fortunes”. This is supported by the studies of Prince Peter of Greece (Polyandry and the kinship group. 1955) who took into account the polyandry of the Kandyan Sinhalese, the Kerala Tiyyans and the Tibetans and concluded that there existed a greater unity and solidarity of sibling groups among those practicing fraternal polyandry. He also emphasised the economic function of polyandry which intensified this unity and solidarity. In conclusion, it should be stated that despite the marginal benefits if at all polyandry offers, its potential harm certainly outweighs these. Uncertainty over paternity and the resultant social disorder may be cited as some of the strongest arguments that could be brought against it in modern society. The Kandyans of yore however do not seem to have been the least concerned about it. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/polyandry.htm

          Amarasiri
          April 7, 2016 at 5:21 pm
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    More information on child marriage laws and why the minimum age of marriage should be 18 for everyone – http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/child-marriage-law/ The Role of Parliamentarians in Ending Child Marriage – http://girlsnotbrides.theideabureau.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/GNB_The_Role_of_Parliamentarians_Toolkit_2015.pdf

    Concerned Citizen
    April 7, 2016 at 5:41 pm
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