19 September, 2020

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The Wiggy-Fonny Adipudi

By Kumar David

Prof. Kumar David

At first it seemed like a fracas between two aging crack-pots; but it could get serious. A bloke from Galle and a few other SLPP jokers have merged into the melee and on the Tamil side there are more than a few who are biding their time to join the brawl. People thought that the experts – historians and archaeologists – would weigh in to establish the facts without ideological bias; but they have chickened out. I really don’t care whether Tamil, Sinhalese or Double-Dutch is the older or smarter tongue, so I can without bias tell Colombo Telegraph readers what the experts say. I have learnt what Sri Lanka’s two very best historians, Leslie (RALH) Gunawardana and Sudharshan Seneviratne have popularised, read books by Indrapala’s, bits and pieces of K.M. de Silva’s tome, what was readily available of Gananath; also, what Britannica and Wikipedia say on related topics. Let me blurt out this little learning till an expert chooses to speak. 

It seems that Wiggy is right on three points: Tamil is one of the oldest living languages; living means it is still spoken and Chinese, Greek and Tamil may be the oldest. Second, many but may not be most Tamils in South India and Lanka were Buddhists in ‘BC times’ before the onward march of Saivism inundated the community in ‘AD times’, especially during the apogee of Chola power. There is evidence for widespread practice of Buddhism and Jainism before it was pushed out, maybe between the first century BC and the third century AD – experts disagree on details but not the main storyline. 

And thirdly, Sinhala became the lingua franca of southern Lanka during the fourth to sixth centuries AD. The language of the elite and the clergy prior to Mahavamsa times was Prakrit while a classical version called Pali was used by the learned. Sinhala came later; Hela, or Elu or Helu champions have a point. The mass of the people, I guess many thousands, lived in small tribes and communities in olden times and a collective name for their speech is Hela or Elu; hence the pundits’ case for going back to the original Hela stuff. Vijeya and his horde were a 500-strong raiding band who spoke some Indian dialect and were assimilated; no big deal. The folks in the north were similar tribal bands but probably linguistically Tamilised under South Indian influence from BC times. It seems that in terms of stock and genes the Tamils and Sinhalese are mainly decedents of these tribal pools though these days they want to tear each other’s guts out.

Here’s the interesting bit according to the experts. The difference between our warring idiots is not race – same gene pool – it is ethnic, that is language, religion and culture. After the high period of Chola conquest two separate cultures ossified in different portions of the island; hence the two fossilised communities we confront today. This comes across most clearly in Leslie and Indrapala’s writings. However, the propensity for conflict does not disappear, ethnicities can clash as much as races because friction is about material and social benefits. Still, if the mass mind knows that the two sides are racially much the same people in conflict over benefits and politics, visceral hatred of the ‘other’ will be diminished.   

Though I said Wiggy was right on three points I also suspect he is up to a mischievous mission. He suspects that the GR-MR government will screw the Muslims first and then turn on the Tamils soon. (Will the beef ban be followed by a murunga and thala-thel ban?). Seriously though, it is possible that Wiggy is anticipating tough times ahead for the Tamils and calculates that future Tamil leadership belongs to the one who is willing to walk the talk. Tamil militancy, essentially, was the product of Sinhala not Tamil politics; will that history repeat itself? We need to wait and see, time will tell, but right now the ball is in the Sinhala-GR-MR court. There are other Tamil nationalists, including most who pretend to be in the pro-SLPP camp, watching and willing to cash in when the opportunity comes.

To finish where I started the Wiggy-Fonny Adipudi should be watched more closely and sensible people must douse the fire without delay. Some monks and some racist State and Cabinet Ministers are merchants of death, but GR-MR can’t/won’t leash them.

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    ” The Wiggy-Fonny Adipudi “ Excellent caption.

    Prof. K seems to be tired of treated as number cruncher. Now has become creative amuse-r.

    It is not about Sinhala – Tamil; its about equal opportunity. We could have done different matters if Ceylon had remained as British Ceylon. People in a Secular country only can think that two people are equal in birth. In all other countries, one is more equal to the weaker ones. As Lankawe is rigidly defined as Sinhala Buddhist Socialistic Republic, only way for Tamils to seek a peaceful lives is going alone. When this was the clean situation during Yahapalanaya Government, expecting something different in Royals government is a pointless talk. Let’s create another Malaysia-Singapore.

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      There was no adi-pudi. It was Fonseka who issued death threats. When one makes a claim, it should be countered in a civilized and intelligent manner without becoming abusive and threatening. By their behaviour these Sinhala MPs have shown of their poor breed as well as their incompetence to meet the argument. Problem with most Sinhalese is that they are still in Mahawamsa days and are unable to accept new findings based on modern technology. I have stated in this columns that history is repeating and we are now in the 1970 to 1977 era with Tamil assertions and Sinhala reactions.

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    MR.VICKEY- is a very smart person.he knows very well he can talk any thing and will not fall in to trouble since his in law VASIDEAVAN will see to that vickey will be safe under any circumstances.good luck MR.VICKEY.

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    Wiggy talking about a separate country for Tamils, whereas Ponny is a real citizen and native Sinhalese Aryan. Sinhalese Aryans having a country, national anthem, national song, National flagParliament, President, Prime Minister and, cabinet and Members of Parliament. Tamils 78 million living in Tamil Nadu no separate country for Tamils. What a use of telling the world’s oldest language is Tamil. Hindi is not a very old language but Hindus having a country called Hindustan (India) same as Helayans’ living country called Heladiva (Sri Lanka). Sanskrit is the world’s oldest language. In Sanskrit Sri Lanka mean Thambaparni, in Chinese Pa-outchow, Java language Alengka, in Malay Lankapuri , in Siam /Burma Lankapura, Ilankai in Tamil, Sarandib in Arabic , Serendip in Persian, in Dutch Zeilan, in French Selon, in Spanish Ceilan , in Portugese Ceilao, in Latin Serendivus, in Greek Sielen Diva, Siela Keh in Egyp,t in Sinhalese Heladiva in English Ceylon finally Sri Lanka

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      N.P,
      “whereas Ponny is a real citizen and native Sinhalese Aryan”
      His full name is Gardia (Dutch) hewage Sarath Chandralal (Indian) Fonseka (Portuguese).
      Would you be kind enough to point out any Aryan Sinhala parts you are aware of?

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        old codger

        While you are exploring the origin of or interpretation of Fonseka’s name and birth please read the following excerpts from Canadian media National Post, in an interview Sarath Fonseka was eager to establish his position among the racist Sinhala/Buddhist in case if MR/GR dismiss his place in Sri Lankan history.

        “I strongly believe that this country belongs to the Sinhalese but there are minority communities and we treat them like our people,” he says.

        “We being the majority of the country, 75%, we will never give in and we have the right to protect this country.

        “We are also a strong nation … They can live in this country with us. But they must not try to, under the pretext of being a minority, demand undue things.”

        http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=832374

        When he made the above racist comment little did he realise he too would serve a prison sentence because being part of majority is no guarantee for justice. This man has not changed a bit although he is aging fast.

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      With new findings in Indus valley and Tamil Nadu, Aryan theory has been blown off. It is now accepted by north Indians that Sanskrit developed in India and not brought from outside as previously thought and that Tamil is at least 500 years older than Sanskrit. In two genetic studies conducted in Sri Lanka, none of the Sinhalese had typical Aryan gene and their core genetic material was South Indian. Original name of the island was Eelam the land of people speaking Elu ( sanskritised later to Hela). Archaeologically it has been proved that only Veddhas and Dravidians lived in the island in pre-historic times. Sinhalese are nothing but Tamils who later mixed with other ethnic groups and took a new identity like Malayalees.

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      N.Perera,
      The Sinhalese are also product of Dravidians, perhaps, after 7th century. Even the ancestors of Fonny are from Tamil Nadu. Hope Fonny traces his ancestors. It should be remembered that not only Tamil Nadu is with a heavy population, but also Pondicherry with more than 90 per cent Tamils. Tamil Nadu is a State while Pondicherry is an Independent Union Territory within India. What happens if the Tamils in the North & East Province wanted a plebiscite to be an Independent Union Territory within India like Pondicherry at a time China is a threat to Sri Lanka’s sovereignty. The only remedy is for the Sinhalese also to be an Independent Union Territory within India in order to escape the wrath of China because Rajapaksas have properties in the US and left the Sinhalese in the lurch to settle Chinese loan.

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    The 2009 loser verses the winner.

    At the 2010 presidential election, Wiggy and his voters voted for Fonseka.

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      GATAM


      Shenali D Waduge types :

      ” ——The media minister must build Patriotic writers to defend Sri Lanka.
      War of arms is over in Sri Lanka.
      The soldiers did their part magnificently
      Now is the War of words
      It is the task of the patriotic writers to defend the Nation using the pen.
      The Govt must recruit a team of such writers.
      The pen army will be Sri Lanka’s next defense.
      They must dictate the narrative which has been unfairly held by sepoy press, lascoreen journalists & coward scribes.
      Patriotic forces of Sri Lanka must be on top in the war of words.
      Sepoy Journalism must be replaced with Patriotic Journalism.”

      GATAM

      Can you explain to us as to what Shenali D Waduge is trying to tell us?
      She sounds just like you.

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    History is “his story”-the winner’s story.

    Who came first? In USA? Canada? Australia? New Zeeland?

    Does the first have the priority in allocation of resources?

    I was reminded of the “Panchathandra tales’-“The wolf and the Lamb”

    The moral of the story

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    For all I know, irrespective of whether Sinhalese or Tamils came to this island first, these two dudes do not look like either. Both Wiggy and Fonny appear to me like they have jumped out of a Laurel and Hardy film.

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    Who cares about these two idiots. Wiggy is trying to make sure he feeds the Tamils with the fake importance of a few years of the Tamil Language dominance maybe, while SF the great general Sociopath try to rebut his nonsense. If you are incensed that I called SF a sociopath please look at is the newest video on youtube where he gives himself credit for starting the war on his own conducting it on his own with no help from his colonels Brigdariers and Maj Generals or the Navy or the Airforcwetc or even his commander in chief. This is the problem with our country. We look at these commie PHDs as if they are the gospel. as if these dumb senile CJs like they help our daily lives and .. you know. we all know SF is a great General but a lousy person and politician.

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    Wiggy-Fonny Adipudi a problem of today that matter the future which will originate some day. watching and willing for the opportunity.

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      A correction to the revival of Saivism in Tamilnadu.
      Saivism was revived in Tamilnadu during Pallava period not Chola period.
      The poet saint Thirunavukkarasar converted the Pallava king Mahendravarman to Saivism probably from Jainism. His priod is from 600-630 AD
      Some of Thirunavukkarasar’s devotional songs were in praise of the Siva temples in Sri Lanka. Chola’s ascendancy started three hundred years later. Chola kings were ardent Siva devotees.

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        Could you please let us know what are the devotional songs by Thirunavukkarasar in praise of Siva temples in Sri Lanka. There are only devotional songs in praise of Siva temples in Sri Lanka by saints Gnanasampanthar ( Ketheeswaram and Koneswaram) and Suntharamoorthy (Ketheeswaram) sung in 7AD, and by saint Arunagirinathar (Koneswaram) in 15 AD. In addition saint Arunagirinathar also sang praise of Murugan temple in Kathirgamam.

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    Dear Prof. KD,

    thank you so much for your analysis.

    I believe neo kallathonies such as Pasqual (most known submissive guy to Rajaakshe tyrany) will not tolerate the truth. Today, hela (so called indigenous group of sinhalaya) has turned out to be “helu” -( naked) as of today. No point of even talking about them. Btw I am as one believes that we are all Kallathonies if I may say so, dont care much about the our ethnic backgrounds so long people behave human. This reminds me the stories of my elders.

    I have no doubt that you doublt check yourself whatever being added to this or anywhere, but please dont forget to give us the readers some links of your references. Otherwise, that the representatives of NEO KALLATHONI group (S.C Pasqual or the like low lives) would never leave us in peace.
    :

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    OK. Tamil is 1000 YEARS old, Sinhala is only 1000 Days old. Now, what should we do? Kill each other. Wiggy should answer.

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      RohanaW

      “OK. Tamil is 1000 YEARS old, Sinhala is only 1000 Days old. Now, what should we do? Kill each other. “

      Don’t be stupid.
      According to Patali Champika Ranawaka the Sinhala/Buddhists believe the first ape spoke Sinhala and practiced Sinhala/Buddhism many many millennia ago.

      What’s your problem?
      Don’t you agree with him?

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      An ethnic group or ethnicity is a social category of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups such as language, history, society, culture, religion, or social treatment etc within their residing area.
      Ethnicity seems to be a powerful social force seemingly benefitting one ethnic group in Sri Lanka. Overall it prevents economic and social development of the whole country. Today except for a few politicians and business men, the well to do Sri Lankans are those who emigrated and settled down in another country.
      History is used by ethno-nationalists to claim the right to own the country on the basis of they came first to this country. History is even being created for that purpose. I do not know where this rule came from which says that those who migrated to this country first only have the right to this country. If you apply this rule to USA, Canada etc most of the people living there will not have any rights in those countries.

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      Yes all this arose because you Chingkallams are trying to use state power and fake history to steal Thamizh lands , history and monuments in the north and east . Falsely state that the Eezham Thamizh are outsiders who do not belong and make the entire island Chingkalla Buddhist. You want the Thamizh to shut up and accept your fake version of history and assimilate as Chingkallams or migrate, just because you won the war 10 years ago with the help of India , USA, China, Porkistan , and everyone, giving everyone false promises once stubborn Prapakaran is defeated Thamizh rights will be given . Now most of the world including India and the west know that you are bunch of liars , who will say anything to get what you want and then do not honour your promisses or word

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    Dear Prof. Kumar,
    .
    You have clearly stated that although you fall back on some sort of view of the make up of our fellow citizens, you know little with certainty. Compared with the vast majority of our people who pontificate and who cast votes which determine who governs us, you are educated and concerned about who we are.
    .
    I have met some of those Historians whom you speak about, but I first even heard of Indrapala only about five years ago. He still lives, but in Australia. However, I now realise that some of the views I had heard expressed even thirty years ago had their origins in his thinking.
    .
    We can’t expect ex-cathedra statements on this “huge” subject. I hope that other readers, too, will realise that our amateurish thoughts are all that are available. Prof. Kumar expresses himself way more coherently than most others, but I agreee that we cannot be satisfied that we have learnt History from him.

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    As far as I am concerned this is a silly battle.
    Both of these ancient yokels have one onus task in front of them which is to get rid of the Rajapuk’s and their SLPP gang of rowdy criminals.
    a.
    On the brainy side of the equation, Wiggy will be the undisputed winner as he is miles ahead of his so-called rival as he has educational qualifications which Fonny can only dream of.
    He’s also a classy gentleman educated at Royal College, then the Law College etc.
    Fonny on the other hand was educated at a rural boys college first in his home town Ambalangoda and then at Ananda College a Sinhala only racist educational institution.
    b.
    Fonny on the other hand barely passed his O/L examination a trusted blue Swabasha a rough and tumble man whose only qualification in life was to lead a bunch of rowdy war criminals to beat the Tamil Tigers by using banned illegal weapons systems and using the hapless civilians as human shields.
    c.
    As a reward for his cowardly exploits he even though being an American green card holder, he cannot even visit the country to call on his 2 daughters who have settled down in that country.

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    Dear David
    I think is an excellent summary and thank you.

    (1)”I really don’t care whether Tamil, Sinhalese or Double-Dutch is the older or smarter tongue, so I can without bias tell Colombo Telegraph readers what the experts say”

    For the Majority of SL’s is the same. The minority from the Sinhalese and Tamils who want to make a living from this argument over Language under the disguise of the “Democracy” we the majority do not approve and we all died preserving just that.

    2.”Tamil militancy, essentially, was the product of Sinhala not Tamil politics; will that history repeat itself?”
    I totally disagree – (a) Language could evolve to be anything that need to be in new “pots” anywhere in the world and that is called evolution/civilisation. (b) However battle ground were created based on the social needs of the Majority Sinhalese/Indian Tamils/Oppressed Tamils in the post colonial Ceylon (JVP Militancy too), (c) similar social issue in post colonial Ceylon in Tamil areas were ignored by the elected Tamil politicians who did not have the capacity nor the needs/vision to tackle issues as required navigating SL towards conflict free Independent Nation?.

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    (d) Just look around all other Nations gone through the same journey with similar Colonial admin??(e) Hon CJ is the same line of politicians talking something so irrelevant when the needs of the days are so different?? This is a crime against Humanity.

    3. Hon SF was not rewriting/challenging the Tamil/Sinhala history but the FP/TULF & Sinhala racist irrelevant politics not to be repeated so people can live under a “given system” conflict free??

    4. Now we live around the no different from the journeys of our ancestors several thousand years ago nor is any different from recent histories less than three hundred years old creations of America/Canada/Australia/NZ etc. We did not travel getting permission from the aboriginals of this land but from whatever is the order of the day now?? and speak the same Colonial languages too not related to the aboriginals??

    5. So I agree “Lingua Franka” and take advantage means we all win?? yes Hon SWRD died giving the ancient language (Tamil) a place in our Nation should be respected under a very stressful environment that we did not help the needs then.

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      However through our ignorence we can take it to the “Brexit” state that was all about “locals” recenting “uncontrolled immigration” that is affecting their “perceived and real identities”……..is where we loose all rational & benefits and start a journey come what may??

      When FP started a journey of “not so irrelevant” to SL and her future Narrative they as a Party (just as National fronts in western countries) created a real life scenario of Sinhalese hardening/consolidating power/look inwards against all that is sensible/logical/humane/caring & sharing??

      Any salvation possible is further undermined by Hon CJ against with his current mission/vision statements not relevant to the ground realties that is to serve the electorate not his personal ego’s?

      This has been proven beyond reasonable doubt during the NPC…….it is a luxury only feasible in SL?? where we have been made gullible through brain washing by this kind of history irrelevant to our life’s need today and tomorrow??

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      correction for point 4….now we around the world

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        correction” Any salvation possible in the future undermined by Hon SJ again….with his

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    After a very long and bitter experience during the past four decades, it looks like everything is falling back to square one (the 1956 – 1972 era) again. Both sides have never learnt any lessons. With CVW in parliament, it looks like SJV Chelva and Amirthalingam period. The Tamils may have to seek India’s help again in solving the national problem. This time it is Modi who is not so interested in Tamils but very much interested in Hindus. If the Sinhalese leaders can play the Sinhala-Buddhist card, then the Tamil leaders like CVW should start playing the Tamil Hindu card, the only way to involve Modi/India into this and to retain at least the Indo-Lanka agreement. Not only Wigneswaran but all the Tamil politicians and the entire Tamil community should rise and protest. The Non-Violent Direct Action exemplified several decades ago by the Civil Rights Movement under Martin Luther King in the USA is a very practical technique which is relevant to the Tamil people.

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    Two old fools arguing nonsense. What ever they imagine their history to be , look at the two races today, illegal immigrants in the west , low grade workers in the middle east and everybody noisily chomping huge plates of rice until they have a huge stomach bulging out ! That is a typical South Asian big talker

    These two fellows have one consolation. Their children have escaped the hell hole .

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      deepthi silva: “Two old fools arguing nonsense”. I would add “Bull Shit”. These are the “Elite Criminals” who stand to “Slaughter” the species called “Human Beings”.

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    Kumar David – “He suspects that the GR-MR government will screw the Muslims first and then turn on the Tamils soon.
    “…. (Will the beef ban be followed by a murunga and thala-thel ban?).”

    more serious than murunga and thala-thel…..

    Wiggy may be banned from coming to the Parliament sporting the thiruneeru and santhana pottu in his forehead

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      Rajash
      Tell us how you acquired this ability to forecast the future?

      Spma

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        Soma -Tell us how you acquired this ability to forecast the future?
        not surprisingly you don’t understand English.
        ———–
        I said “my be banned….”

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    “Tamil militancy, essentially, was the product of Sinhala not Tamil”
    .
    Tamil militancy (terrorism) was the product of VADUKKODAI RESOLUTION.

    Another myth the Tamil political masters have been successful in planting is that LTTE came into being after 83 black July, craftily avoiding to mention the fact that the event was triggered by LTTE killing 13 soldiers. LTTE was officially recognised by Tamils as their sole representatives.
    .
    History was set in motion when Tamil political class demanded 50-50.

    Soma

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      somass THE DUMBASS

      “Tamil militancy (terrorism) was the product of VADUKKODAI RESOLUTION.”

      Vaddukoddai Resolution was adopted on 14 May 1976.
      Vaddukoddai Resolution WAS DEAD

      1972: Velupillai Prabhakaran forms a militant group called the Tamil New Tigers (TNT).
      https://www.refworld.org/docid/49f969bf26.html

      The LTTE, who have been fighting for an independent Tamil homeland since 1972, has acknowledged losing ground. But the group has accused the government of killing 1,000 civilians in recent days.
      https://www.hindustantimes.com/world/two-top-ltte-leaders-surrender-95-000-escape-war-zone/story-EDAnU8t1YH7msbnzhfWNEM.html

      Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam
      Formed May 22, 1972
      https://web.stanford.edu/group/mappingmilitants/cgi-bin/groups/print_view/225

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      somass THE DUMBASS

      “Tamil militancy (terrorism) was the product of VADUKKODAI RESOLUTION.”

      Vaddukoddai Resolution was adopted on 14 May 1976.
      Vaddukoddai Resolution WAS DEAD on arrival.

      Tamil New Tigers (TNT) was formed in 1972, well after Sinhala terrorism had failed in 1971 April.

      1972: Velupillai Prabhakaran forms a militant group called the Tamil New Tigers (TNT).
      https://www.refworld.org/docid/49f969bf26.html

      The LTTE, who have been fighting for an independent Tamil homeland since 1972, has acknowledged losing ground. But the group has accused the government of killing 1,000 civilians in recent days.
      https://www.hindustantimes.com/world/two-top-ltte-leaders-surrender-95-000-escape-war-zone/story-EDAnU8t1YH7msbnzhfWNEM.html

      Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam
      Formed May 22, 1972
      https://web.stanford.edu/group/mappingmilitants/cgi-bin/groups/print_view/225

      The weeping widow’s army and police were the recruiting seargents of TNT, LTTE, TELO, EROS, EPRLF, …..

      “LTTE was officially recognised by Tamils as their sole representatives.”

      Seriously if DJVP/JVP stuffed their pistol in your mouth and a**e what would you have done? Wouldn’t you have cried out ” aye aye, sir” until Saman Piyasiri Fernando
      ( Keerthi) ordered you to shut your mouth and a**e?

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        NV
        “Seriously if DJVP/JVP stuffed their pistol in your mouth and a**e what would you have done? Wouldn’t you have cried out ” aye aye, sir” until Saman Piyasiri Fernando
        ( Keerthi) ordered you to shut your mouth and a**e?”

        Is this the present official position of TNA tops?


        Soma

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          somass

          “Is this the present official position of TNA tops?”

          I have no way of confirming or denying it as I do not have any contact with either sinhala or Tamil speaking politicians.

          Mostly Politicians, crooks, racists, bigots, truth deniers, war criminals, VP’s lackeys, Rajapakse lackeys, ….. racist members of saffron brigade, Born Agains, Hindutvas, Caliphas, liers, war crime deniers………………….. keep themselves away from me because they just like you, (Sinhala speaking Demela Ravi Perera, Eagle Brain Dead Blind Eye, …..) don’t seem to like me.

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            You have a following on CT like Pied Piper.

            Soma

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      Soma, Tell me, what was the 50-50 demand of Tamil political class.

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        Do you have Internet access?

        Soma

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    According to mahavamsa adipidi ( not adipudi / fight ) started by Lord Buddha on his arrival in the island. Buddha harassed tormented and forced the original inhabitants yakkhas to flee, just for a place for him to sit. Vamsaththapakasini says ” Buddha used his supernatural powers to harass yakkhas with eleven different types of afflictions. Torrential rains and hurricanes descended on them. They were pelted with showers of stones, weapons, burning embers, hot ashes and mud. Cold and humid winds, storms and darkness torment and terrify them ” Buddha thus became a jina , conqueror and made lanka ” a fit dwelling place for men. “

    Adipidi started by Buddha still goes on and we all should hope and pray for eternal peace.

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    Screwing the Muslims first? LankaeNews reports that excrement was thrown at a Buddha statue near Divulapitiya hospital on Sept. 13.

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    Hilarious stuff. During the ’83 riots a very good male friend of mine, a colleague, who was an educated and peaceful Sinhalese Buddhist, but with a skin tone vivid crow-black, was pulled out of bus and roundly assaulted as a Tamil even though he spoke flawless Sinhala when insisting he was Sinhalese. I would presume the Sinhalese doing the assaulting were only slightly lighter, perhaps the color of roadside bitumen.

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      sonali

      ” I would presume the Sinhalese doing the assaulting were only slightly lighter, perhaps the color of roadside bitumen.”

      Please refer to a letter that was written by Eminent Prof Gananath Obeyesekere to the New York times about its reporting on 1983 riots:

      In an otherwise excellent news article, ”Recent Fighting in Sri Lanka Dims Hope for Ethnic Peace” (April 22), you state: ”The Sinhalese and Tamils are divided not only by religion, but by ethnic background: the Sinhalese are of Aryan stock, the Tamils are of darker-skinned Dravidian extraction.” This racist nonsense is part of the current mythology of middle-class Sinhalese.
      The Aryans were motley groups of ancient tribes, probably from the Central Asian steppes, that descended onto the Iranian plateau and launched a series of migrations or invasions into Northwest India in the second millenium B.C. Most of the languages of North India, and the language of Sri Lanka, are Indo-European because they are offshoots of the languages of these early settlers.
      However, even during the period of the Buddha, in the sixth century B.C., miscegenation had been complete, and the term Aryan ceased to have any racial connotation. It was simply a descriptive term meaning ”noble.”


      https://www.nytimes.com/1984/05/04/opinion/l-racist-nonsense-in-sri-lanka-confrontations-165610.html

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        sonali

        Prof Gananath Obeyesekere’s letter to Newyork times continues:

        The first colonizers of Sri Lanka were probably North Indians. But according to the chronicles of the Sinhalese, even the first king and his followers married women from South India (Madurai). Thereafter the patterns of royal marriage and mass immigration were wholly from South India, initially from the Tamil country and later (since the 13th century) from Kerala. As for dark skin, the father of King Dutugemumu, a great hero of the Sinhalese, was called ”Kavan,” or crow- colored. There are a few Sinhalese nowadays with fair complexions, but this is probably due to miscegenation with successive waves of European conquerors from the early 16th century onward. Any Aryan complexion comes from the latter-day European descendants of the ancient Aryans. GANANATH OBEYESEKERE Princeton, N.J., April 24, 1984
        The writer is chairman of Princeton University’s Department of Anthropology.
        A version of this article appears in print on May 4, 1984, Section A, Page 30 of the National edition with the headline: ‘RACIST NONSENSE’ IN SRI LANKA CONFRONTATIONS. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

        https://www.nytimes.com/1984/05/04/opinion/l-racist-nonsense-in-sri-lanka-confrontations-165610.html

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    Before arguing who came first, they must define who a Sinhalese is and who a Tamil is. This is impossible because there is no Sinhalese without some Tamil blood and vice versa. Further, since the majority of Tamils and Sinhalese believe in reincarnation, how do they know what race they were last time? Or the time before?
    .
    Next time round, for their sins, Wiggy will be reborn as a Sinhala Buddhist and Fony as a Jaffna Tamil.

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      Ane Aiyo i don’t want Gota and brothers to reborn as Tamils in their next birth. Like Dutugemunu let them reborn in heaven, to await rebirth as the chief disciple of the future Buddha Metteya.

      I don’t mind Sampanthan and Sumanthiran be reborn as Sinhalese because they have already been discarded by Tamils.

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        RMN how can Gota be reborn in a heavenly world? He is returning to Lanka as a Muslim.

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        RMN,

        “Good one!

        Pls Keep it up.

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      S
      Do you want either among our next generations?
      Cannot you wish them a faraway country?

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      Stanley

      “Before arguing who came first, they must define who a Sinhalese is and who a Tamil is”

      Before finding out who a Tamil is or who a Sinhalese is , we first must find out who came by Kallthonie and who walked all the way across Palk Strait.

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        It doesn’t matter who came first but racists have made it very important. You and all CT posters are invited to Gota’s circumcision, next time round.

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          Stanley

          “You and all CT posters are invited to Gota’s circumcision, next time round.”

          Thanks for the invitation.
          Can you transfer the invitation to PUNCHI WILLI who also suffers from p***s envy.

          If you organise “Pricking Gota’s Ego” event please let me know. I love to attend provided you promise me my safety, security, dignity, ……. my safe return to my habitat.

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            Don’t worry, Thalaivar is no more.

            Soma

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    Wiggy is not a “Honest Tamil Politician”, he is an educated opportunist who does not care about Tamil issues leave alone minority issues. I say this because we live in a democracy. In any democracy majority support is essential to pass any laws. When the Yahapalana Govt started releasing lands in the North he passed the Genocide Resolution, which gave way for the Sinhala Buddhist Southern Opposition to agitate and the Govt had to slow down the release. Similarly for selfish reasons he left TNA. If he was truly interested in Tamil cause (obviously he was never interested in minority cause), he should have stayed in TNA and fought his battle within the party. He did not do it, because he knew very well deep in his heart he is a Rajapakse Golaya, if not why would he stir the Sinhala Buddhists of the South who are racists during the election by making statements that strengthened Southern Sinhala Racism?
    Similar to Wiggy, Gajendra Kumar Ponnambalam is also a Traitor. He too split the strength of TNA. Gajendra Kumar like his father who was also a Traitor to the Tamils, especially the Tamils in the Upcountry who were Indian origin and voted for removing or blocking the citizenship to these people, contested separately to reduce the strength of TNA.

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    Kumar,
    As for ancient history, our academic historians have for the most part confused the matter. You are better off on your own. Read the early chapters of the Mahavamsa and Dipavamsa and the Jataka tales. The latter tells you that there was Buddhist influence in Kanchipuram. What does the Elara story tell you about Anuradhapura’s trade links.

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      Sorry, my error.
      I meant not Kanchipuram, but Kaveripattinam, a major ancient port and trading centre, and probable home of Mahavamsa’s Chola prince Elara – Ellalan.

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        Rajan Hoole, you were right in the first instance. In Chola and Pandyan kingdoms it was Jainism that was practiced along with Hinduism whereas it was in Pallava kingdom that Buddhism was practiced along with Hinduism. Pallavas are a mix of Tamil and Kalinga ethnicity and brought Buddhism with them to Tamil Nadu. Their original capital was Mamallapuram and when it submerged, they shifted the capital to Kanchipuram. It is Pallavas who built Hindu and Buddhist complexes in Indonesia and Cambodia when they ruled them. Kaveripoompattinam was the original capital of Cholas and when it submerged, they shifted the capital to Urayoor (now Tanjavur). When Hindu renaissance took place in seventh century, Jainism disappeared in Chola and Pandyan kingdom, but Buddhism survived in Pallava kingdom.

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          GS,
          If you look at the Chinese records of Fa Hien and Tsua Tsang which are available in English translation, Buddhism thrived in Tamil Nadu long before the Pallavas

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            The period in which Jainism and Buddhism thrived in Tamil country was the so-called Kalabhra (aka Kalabrar, Kalappirar etc.) period (sometime between the 3rd and 6th centuries CE). That period which yielded great ethical works like Thirukkural has been named a dark age by subsequent scholarship which also seems to have blacked out important historical details. (Think of what happened to Mahasena’s legacy in Mahavansa).
            *
            I heard an interesting theory on what happened to the Jains who were severely persecuted by the late Pallavas. It is suggested that they embraced Vaishnavaism as it was too humiliating to become Saivaites.
            The theory fits well with the Vaishnava faith emerging in some strength only after the Pallava period, and the character of the then Vaishnavaite Tamil, with minimal Sanskrit presence, and Vishnu referred as Maal (the name of a Sangam Tamil deity).
            Also, the bitterness of Vaishnavaites towards Shiva although aggravated by persecution by Saivaite Chola rulers, could have deeper roots.
            *
            That is something that scholars of Hindu Studies, UoJ could work on, I guess.

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    “Second, many but may not be most Tamils in South India and Lanka were Buddhists in ‘BC times’ before the onward march of Saivism inundated the community in ‘AD times’, especially during the apogee of Chola power. “
    To be precise, the great upsurge of Saivaism was under the Pallavas. It effectively wiped out Jainism. The Cholas got involved much later, and Sanskritisation of Tamil was strong under the Cholas it appears.
    *
    Buddhism survived as a mass religion with far less royal patronage than Jainism and, perhaps thrived in Pandya country, at least until Manikkavasagar. The ultimate blow was under Sankara, which was an all Indian sub-continent phenomenon.
    *
    There is a similarity in the style of the dagobas in Tamilnadu and the north of the country. which points to a similarity in ideology.
    *
    Prakrit should not be read as a single language. There were several Prakrits, each with native roots and strong Sanskrit influence.
    *
    “Here’s the interesting bit…. The difference between our warring idiots is not race – same gene pool – it is ethnic, that is language, religion and culture. After the high period of Chola conquest two separate cultures ossified in different portions of the island; hence the two fossilised communities we confront today.”
    I wonder what the writer has in mind when he says “two fossilised communities”.

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      SJ,
      You should write articles on this subject, which I am sure would make interesting reading. It was under the Pallavas that Koneswaram Temple was built and Trincomalee was first known to history as Gokarna, although there was already a Gokarna near Kirinde in the South (Mahavamsa and Culavamsa), and several others in India. It was also under the Pallavas that several Mahayana Buddhist shrines were built along the East coast. My impression is that Pallavas patronised Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism at different times and were not the persecuting type.

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        RH
        Thanks.
        But you seem better informed than I am on the subject.
        I remember much information, but piecemeal, and cross check with sources accessible on Internet.
        An article requires much more effort.

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    Continued
    Because of this unfair rule Tamil people who have a long history in Sri Lanka, have a need to bring to open the history involving them.
    There is this science called Population Genetics. Unsurprisingly the DNA analyses of a small number of people of Sri Lanka does not show any major difference in the lineage between the different ethnic groups.
    But ethnicity does not depend on DNA as mentioned before. What really matters is the numerical superiority of the ruling ethnic group which has all the instruments of power under them. Ruled ethnic groups can’t do anything about it.
    It is the use of history and using some unjustified rule to hold the moral high ground is being challenged by the Tamils because they have a long history of Sri Lanka.

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    The native language Elu is a simple semi Tamil Dravidian language or dialect, which was spoken by the masses until the arrival of Buddhism and the introduction of Prakrit/Pali into the island. For formal purposes proper Tamil was used. The Vaedda dialect as probably did the old Sinhala approaches far closer to Tamil than modern Sinhala in its pronunciation”. (Hugh Neville. p.88.) The Vedda dialect, their spoken language is identical with Elu which was the spoken language of ancient Sri Lanka, which is semi-Tamil; as to the grammatical structure it is essentially Dravidian and simple (Emaneau, M.B 1961. Semi Tamil Elu + Prakrit = Hela or old Sinhalese . Modern Sinhalese evolved from Tamil ( both proper and its local dialect Elu) + Prakrit/Pali and later modern times deliberately Sanskritized in the 1950s , Just like Malayalam , Telugu and Kannada to prove a point that they never evolved from Tamil. Yes even now 35-40% of Sinhalese vocabulary is derived from Tamil/Elu and the rest from Pali and Sanskrit. 100% of the Sinhalese grammar , lexicon and Syntax and its alphabet is derived from Tamil and not from Pali or Sanskrit. The way a sentence is formed in Sinhalese as well as in other north Indian languages is the same way a sentence is formed in Tamil and not like other Indo European languages . Even Iranian. This proves that these speakers of these so called Indo Aryan languages , including Sinhalese are all descended from Dravidian( Tamil) speakers who switched their Dravidian speech to Indo Aryan speech but retained a lot of the Dravidian traits and form of speech

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      Yes even now 35-40% of Sinhalese vocabulary is derived from Tamil/Elu and the rest from Pali and Sanskrit. 100% of the Sinhalese grammar , lexicon and Syntax and its alphabet is derived from Tamil and not from Pali or Sanskrit. The way a sentence is formed in Sinhalese as well as in other north Indian languages is the same way a sentence is formed in Tamil and not like other Indo European languages . Even Iranian. This proves that these speakers of these so called Indo Aryan languages , including Sinhalese are all descended from Dravidian( Tamil) speakers who switched their Dravidian speech to Indo Aryan speech but retained a lot of the Dravidian traits and form of speech

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      Dear Sharma,
      You have not said from which work of Neville you have quoted. His journal The Taprobanian, which was published in India in three volumes in the 1880s is available in the Colombo Museum, and I am sure the archives as well. They contain documentation not found elsewhere. Neville used to translate and publish rare documents that came to his hand. There is one translated from Tamil dealing with a Rasapaksa (Rajapaksa) Mudali, who was probably an official of the King of Kandy in old Batticaloa District. It gives an idea of life in pre-nationalist times.
      Some Indian publishers (e.g. AES and Navrang) were republishing these old books. It has now stopped. This republication probably requires a state subsidy.
      One could only painfully watch our sources of history disappear. Preservation requires librarians who value these sources and are not only preservers, but also collectors. I could see the decay of sources happening around me in Jaffna.

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    Do you have Internet access?

    Soma

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      somass

      Are you standing in front of a mirror asking yourself the same question twice. Is your situation that much worse for you?

      Why do you think Gota hasn’t offered Dayan a good government job?

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    Wiggy is right – Tamils were the original inhabitants of SL but they evolved into a far more superior race called Sinhalese.

    But sadly their unfortunate brethren in Tamil Nadu remained in an evolution rut and they are still Tamils.

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      GATAM, can you substantiate your statement that Sinhalese evolved into a far more superior race. This type of claim will generate plaudits only among bigoted sycophantic Sinhala audience and not in an intellectual international forum, where you will be immediately branded as an Idiotic lunatic. How can Sinhala race be superior when everything in them from words, grammar, script of language, food, dress, music, dance of culture are all borrowed from others. Recent archaeological findings have placed Tamils as the pioneering ethnic group of Indian civilization. All structures and sculptures in Sri Lanka which is exhibited as Sinhala were constructed by Tamil artisans.

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        GS
        “This type of claim will generate plaudits only among bigoted sycophantic Sinhala audience and not in an intellectual international forum, where you will be immediately branded as an Idiotic lunatic.”
        Have you given much thought to the prospect that the same can be said of several of your utterances with ‘Tamil’ replacing ‘Sinhala’.

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    NV
    You mean to say Vadukkodai resolution was adopted at the gun point of LTTE?
    .
    Dste of ceremonial declaration may be different. Date of start of ground work is much earlier.
    .
    LTTE IS THE MILITARY OUTFIT CREATED TO ACHIEVE VADUKKODAI OBJECTIVE.
    .
    Tamil political class justified LTTE methodology of achieving the ends, even justified child deployment and asked the world to recognize LTTE as their sole representative.
    When you say we were helpless, we did it out of fear, you must acknowledge that:
    a) Present TNA leaders are not worthy of calling themselves leaders
    b) Sinhala armed forces liberated you.


    Soma

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      Soma
      “LTTE IS THE MILITARY OUTFIT CREATED TO ACHIEVE VADUKKODAI OBJECTIVE”
      That seems a rather convoluted conspiracy theory.
      *
      The FP/TULF had no idea of how to achieve Tamil Elam, as exposed by Comrade Shan in 1975.
      It was a ploy to win the election in the face of falling popularity and rising police harassment amid growing discrimination.

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