15 September, 2019

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Wahhabism Is Power-Worship

By Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

I want to argue in this article that Wahhabism is not as generally thought an atavistic movement designed to take Islam back to the middle ages in reaction to modernity but a movement meant to cope with modernity, and that its strategy for that purpose is to transform Islam into an ideology of power-worship. My thinking on this subject has in its background the fact that I read some decades ago in a great novel by Montherlant, something to the effect that the typical modern man, bereft of the dimension of the transcendental, has two legs one of which is a drive for money and the other a drive for power, the two legs on which the terrible fellow stomps along wreaking the unparalleled destruction that the world has witnessed since the beginning of the First World War in 1914.

But first of all I must clear up some confusions. I concluded my last article on a case for extirpating Wahabism by stating that the crucial question that has to be addressed is whether or not it is the IS, not Saudi Arabia, that practices Wahhabism in its full authentic form. I wrote further that that question can be resolved only by establishing whether or not characteristic IS practices, such as sex slavery, have their warrant in what Wahhab actually preached. If not, there would be a case for extirpating just the IS but not Wahabism itself. If, on the contrary, the IS is the full-blown authentic manifestation of Wahhabism the case for the international community persuading Saudi Arabia to abandon Wahhabism becomes, I think, unanswerable. It is pertinent to recall that in 2013 the EU officially declared that Wahhabism was the greatest source of international terrorism. We can safely assume that that declaration was backed by studies made by scholars and specialists. Therefore there was a case for the EU to persuade Saudi Arabia to abandon Wahhabism.

WahhabismHowever, Muslims who have been influenced by Wahhabism in Sri Lanka and elsewhere will give no weight at all to what the EU says. For that matter they give no weight at all to what the scholars of orthodox Islam have to say. What the latter have to say is more or less along the following lines. The Wahabis and their clones are utterly unscrupulous in finding substantiation for their tenets in the Koran and the hadiths and the Sunna. When it suits their purposes they read Koranic texts literally, ignoring the contexts that give full meaning to those texts. They are capable of perverse misreading of texts. They are given to using hadiths of very doubtful authenticity that are not included in the six canonical books of the hadiths. And so on. Consequently it can hardly be expected that finding warrant for IS tenets and practices in what Wahhab preached will lead to any useful conclusion. The Wahabis and their clones believe what they want to believe and they use texts towards that end.

The best strategy to move towards an extirpation of Wahhabism could be a three-pronged one: firstly, show that at the very core of Wahhabism there is nonsense and everything that flows from that core is nonsensical; secondly, that extreme violence and terrorism are of the essence of Wahabism; thirdly, that Wahabism is an unIslamic ideology of power under which the mass of the Muslims will become robotic power worshipers. In addition it will help if it can be shown that some Western forces have been behind the spread of Wahhabism right from the inception and right down to the IS.

I have already shown in earlier articles that at the very core of Wahhabism – the charge of saint worship and polytheism – there is nonsense. What flows from it, such as the sacking of Kerbela in 1801 including the massacre of 5,000 innocent men, women, and children, is also nonsense, moronic, brutal, subhuman nonsense, – and that’s at the core of Wahhabism and all its clones. I will now substantiate the point that extreme violence and terrorism are of the very essence of Wahhabism. Wahhab agreed to the stoning to death of an adulteress. According to Natana de Longbas, presently one of the foremost apologist s for Wahhabism, he did so very reluctantly because the woman was obviously mentally deranged: she repeatedly committed adultery and spoke about it openly. In her lengthy defense of Wahhab’s crime that I have read de Longbas fails to mention that Wahhab did not use the unanswerable argument that the Koran itself prescribes no more than 80 lashes as punishment for adultery and that he could not allow a Koranic provision to be overridden by a hadith of very doubtful authenticity. Nor does she mention that Wahhab failed to use the argument that stoning to death for adultery was very rarely put into practice in the long centuries since the death of the Prophet. I believe that during the many centuries of the Ottoman Empire, which prided itself on the strict observance of the sharia, stoning to death for adultery took place only once. The episode suggests that sadistic brutality was part of Wahhab’s personality. I have also brought out the disingenuousness that is at the core of Wahhabi apologetics, on which I remarked earlier in this article.

As for terrorism, it was there at the very inception of Wahhabism. Terrorism in its essence includes the indiscriminate killing of non-combatant innocents. It is said that Wahhab himself led the first Wahhabi terroristic attack, which was on the tomb of the brother of Caliph Omar who died a martyr’s death. That was followed by terrorist attacks on Najd villages in which Wahhab participated, it is said with the axe as his favorite weapon. The tradition of terrorism inaugurated by him had its first full flowering in the Kerbela massacre of 1801 and it continues to this day. The Saudis have been projecting a sanitized image of Wahhabism according to which its terrorism is an aberration, whereas the trut is that Wahhabism can always be expected to morph into terrorism. That is an important part of the case for the international community to persuade Saudi Arabia to abandon its championship of Wahhabism.

I come now to the question of Wahhabism as an ideology of power worship. In recent days more than one of my readers has sent me the text of a June 2015 article by Catherine Shakdam in which she argues that Wahhabism is not an atavastic throwback but a modernizing movement and compares it to movements in which mass massacres have occurred: the French Revolution in which well over a thousand were guillotined, and the mass massacres under Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. Others too, such as John Gray the philosopher, have argued a similar case after the Paris bombings. In support of that view I will point out that Wahhabism is not comparable to movements of religious reform and renewal through a return to the roots. Lutheranism led to nationalism, Calvinism led to capitalism, both led to a reinvigoration of Catholicism through the counter-Reformation, and Methodism and the chapel cults of Britain led to socialism. The Buddhist and Hindu reform movements of the late nineteenth century can be seen in a positive light, and so can the Islamic reform movement inspired by Jamaldin al-Afghani. But I can’t see anything positive in Wahhabism. In its latest manifestation, the IS, it is just a grisly, gory, savage horror. There is much more to be said on Wahhabism as power worship. I will conclude this article by recalling Yeats’ great prophetic poem which concluded, “What rough beast slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?”. The IS rough beast wants to slouch towards Mecca to be born.

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    Your understanding of Islam is tainted with the subcontinent culture of idol worshipping.
    Islam has nothing to do with idol worshipping.
    There is only one Allah, and Prophet Mohamed is the messenger.

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      ~ The Life, Teaching and Influence of Muhammed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab ~
      If anyone wants to find out about an individual or an ideology, they should go to their books. An academic person does not pay heed to the statements of blind ignorant haters, rather, he/she goes straight to the source.
      Muhammed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab is the one the most attacked personalities in recent Islamic history. There are many myths about him, may Allah have mercy on him. One such myth is that he revolted against the Ottoman Empire. Others claim that he and his followers destroyed important so-called “shrines of Islam” and allied with the British.
      I advise the sincere seeker of knowledge to read the following book for which I provided a link to the PDF (the first one in the list). This link also has other works of Muhammed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab.
      https://www.kalamullah.com/abdul-wahhab.html

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        Good advice to those who seek knowledge independently.

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        RE: Wahhabism Is Power-Worship

        RE: Hussain Fahmy

        Challenge for Wahhabis/salafis who follow Iblis, Satan inspited Abdul Wahhab

        Follow those who have been followed for 12 Centuries, not the Abdul Wahhabis.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_MPEy6Ng18

        al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU

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        Hussain Fahmy

        RE:The Life, Teaching and Influence of Muhammed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab

        “If anyone wants to find out about an individual or an ideology, they should go to their books”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZv5eKzoA8Y

        [Ex-Salafi] Yasir Qadhi talks about Salafies & Wahabies

        Published on Apr 8, 2013

        Yasir Qadhi is a well known personality in the Salafi world.
        This is an excerpt from his interview about Salafies and how he was once with them. This is an interesting listen to hear about the views of someone who was one of them and has now chosen not to be. Allah knows best what he is now, nevertheless academically this is an interesting listen.

        The full interview can be heard here insha Allah: http://interfaithradio.org/Story_Deta

        Now Let us See we see when we go to the original source Quran.

        Amarasiri has pointed out the many inconsistencies in the Quran. Since the Quran was put together within 20 years after the death of Prophet Mohamed, not during the lifetime of Prophet Mohamed, and he did not have an opportunity to correct and edit the inconsistencies, a question arises as to the errors.

        This is therefore an open question that must be resolved by Reason, Akil, not Revelation, Nakil. Wahhabies and their clones depend on Nakil, and therefore the Sun goes around the Earth, based on the literal interpretation of the Quran, even though it was acceptable 1,400 years ago, until 400 years ago.

        A good example is does the Sun revolves around the Earth?

        Ask-Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen (rahimahullaah)

        http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

        Question: Does the sun revolve around the earth?

        Answer: It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth. It is not for us to exceed the apparent meanings of these evidences without some evidence stronger than that, which permits us to explain them differently from their apparent meaning. Among the proofs that the sun revolves around the earth in a manner which causes the alternation of the night and day are the following:

        1) Allah, the Most High says, that when Ibrahim (`alayhi as-Salaam), disputed with the one who argued with him concerning his Lord:

        “Verily, Allah brings the sun form the east; then bring it you from the west.” [Surah al-Baqarah 2:258]

        Read Joshua, 10:13, Stopping the Sun, in the Old Testament as well.
        King James Bible And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

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        Hussain Fahmy

        Muhammed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab is the worst terrorist who was inspored by Iblis, Stan in recent Islamic history.

        Turkey ‘protects & supplies’ Al-Nusra camps at its border – Syria’s YPG (EXCLUSIVE report)

        Their cooperation with terrorism is a fact by now.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjsTcGk88uQ

        Published on Mar 4, 2016
        Jabhat Al-Nusra terrorists have pitched their camps right next to the border and receive regular supplies from the Turkish side, Syrian Kurdish forces told RT’s Lizzie Phelan, who traveled with YPG to investigate suspicious activity there.

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        Hussain Fahmy

        RE: Wahhabism Is Power-Worship

        The Great Satan and the Minor Satans

        Breaking Down What Really Happened In Syria, Ken O’Keefe

        Published on Feb 23, 2016
        In this video Luke Rudkowski interviews former marine and outspoken activist Ken O’keefe about the important situation that developed in Syria with global implications. The two go over there research on the topic and share their insights on what led to this geopolitical nightmare and what will proceed it.

        To find out more about Ken O’Keefe check out https://kenokeefe.wordpress.com/

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        Hussain Fahmy RE:Wahhabism Is Power-Worship

        The Horrifying End of The Saudi Regime By Sheikh Imran Hosein

        Will Wahhabism then End and the Satan?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBSCD54YXo0

        Published on Oct 3, 2014

        The Horrifying End of The Saudi Regime By Sheikh Imran Hosein

        One Person says

        “I do believe the Saudi regimes days are numbered,they’re the biggest funder of IS,and they’re sitting on the world’s biggest deposits of oil,I can see a coalition of Russia and the US depose and usurp the entire Saudi Royal family,and claim as booty the kingdom and all it bountiful commodities.This needs to be done,as capitalist nations we’ve placated and appeased this rotten regime for too long it’s time we do what we do best and instigate regime change and take what should rightfully be ours”

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        ‘If anyone wants to find out about an individual or an ideology, they should go to their books. An academic person does not pay heed to the statements of blind ignorant haters, rather, he/she goes straight to the source.’

        The Original Najdi/ Wahhabi Movement Was More Extreme In Bloodshed & Takfir Than ISIS

        Read more: http://newsrescue.com/original-najdi-wahhabi-movement-was-more-extreme-in-bloodshed-takfir-than-isis/#ixzz42QYvrccv

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        Hussain Fahmy

        “If anyone wants to find out about an individual or an ideology, they should go to their books. An academic person does not pay heed to the statements of blind ignorant haters, rather, he/she goes straight to the source.”

        And Yes, who is behind them to deceive the Ordinary Muslims. The Great Satan and the Small Satans.

        Dirty Game: The Proxy War

        Published on Feb 7, 2016
        What is the role of Saudi Arabia in the war in Syria? What are its ambitions in this regard?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGvyzCwVI8M

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      Jehan
      March 5, 2016 at 1:41

      “Your understanding of Islam is tainted with the subcontinent culture of idol worshipping.”
      “There is only one Allah, and Prophet Mohamed is the messenger. “

      Jehan, what is the punishment for Idol Worship in Saudi Arabia and the Islamic State?

      Crime and punishment: Islamic State vs Saudi Arabia –

      The Islamic State group has released a list of punishments, mirroring those prescribed by authorities in Saudi Arabia

      The Islamic State (IS) and Saudi Arabia prescribe near-identical punishments for a host of crimes, according to documents circulated by the militant group.

      IS published a list of crimes and their punishments on 16 December 2014 to serve “as an explanation and as a warning” to those living in territory under their control in large parts of Iraq and Syria.

      The document lists hadd crimes, which are considered to be “against the rights of God,” and includes fixed punishments for theft, adultery, slander and banditry.

      Crimes deemed hadd and their punishments are derived from the Quran and the hadith, the collected teachings and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. However, with the exception of Saudi Arabia, and IS-controlled areas, they are rarely applied.

      http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/crime-and-punishment-islamic-state-vs-saudi-arabia-1588245666

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      Jehan

      “Your understanding of Islam is tainted with the subcontinent culture of idol worshipping.”

      You want to see what Islamaphobes are Lying about the Muslims?

      10 Lies You Were Told About Islam

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq4BFIoPCLI

      Published on Mar 6, 2016
      Is Birmingham a Muslim-only city?

      Are there hundreds of terrorist training camps dotted all over America?

      The media might say yes, but the truth is no. AllTime10s is here to debunk 10 lies you were told about Islam.

      Music: Sword of the East by Tim Garland and Asaf Sirkis

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      Keeping Allah at ‘arsh’ (throne) is idol worshipping of Wahhabis. Wahhabis are not Muslims. No Muslim worship Idiols!

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        Horafacepotha ,

        “Keeping Allah at ‘arsh’ (throne) is idol worshipping of Wahhabis. Wahhabis are not Muslims. No Muslim worship Idiols! “

        1. Wahhabies are not Muslims, they are Iblisis, Iblis, Satan worshippers.

        2. Saudi Wahhabis Worship the Great Satan.

        3. The Wahhabies destroy Islamic monuments and Mosques, as per Iblis, Satan’s instructions.

        4. Wahhabism decreases the intelligence of Wahhabies. Check the GMAT scores of Saudi Wahhabies.

        5. The Holy Quran warns about Shaitan, Devil 88 times and Iblis, Satan 11 times, a Total of 99 times.

        6. Hadith of Najd.

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      Jehan

      “There is only one Allah, and Prophet Mohamed is the messenger. “

      There is only One Iblis, and the Wahhabi-Salafis Follow the Iblis, and Abdul Wahhab is the Messenger if Iblis.

      WAKE UP MUSLIMS! Say NO to Wahabi destruction of Islamic civilization

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA0H4UWW_HY

      From A UK Campaign

      Published on Sep 7, 2012
      SIGN THE PETITION: http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions

      Join our Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/thePropheticWay

      Asalaamualaikum dear brothers and sisters.

      The UK Sunni Movement committee has proposed a campaign to stop the destruction of Islamic heritage and sites. This campaign will In’sha Allah:

      – Refute the Salafi destruction of graves. On August 26th 2012 the brainwashed deviants demolished the grave of Shaykh Ahmad Zarruq (RadiAllahu Anhu) in Libya and dumped their blessed body. They are that personality who Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlwi (RadiAllahu Anhu) mentioned in their works.

      – Raise awareness about the attacks happening today. Programs will be held by the Sunni Movements across the UK with speakers such as Shaykh Nabeel Afzal and Shaykh Asrar Rashid.

      – Lead to a demonstration at the Libyan Embassy in London attended by all Sunni Movements across the UK and open to everyone.

      – Educate people about the deviants who disrespected the graves of the blessed companions and family of the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wasallam) at the blessed graveyards in Makkah Mukarrama and Madina Munawwara.

      ________________________________________­______________________

      The demolition of graves where our beloved Islamic personalities are resting today have been targeted! This is just the beginning of what will lead to a greater calamity if we do not take action NOW!

      We urge ALL SUNNI LOVERS of the Awliya Allah to WAKE UP and PLAY THEIR PART by signing this petition and spreading it.

      See the destruction and listen to what went down when Salafi’s invaded in Libya:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=turHP0LSazc

      Shaykh Faisal Hamid Abdur-Razak speaks about the Salafi destruction:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbOO2MrA-mE

      Jazak’Allah Khair.

      One Hussein Radi1 said a year ago

      I notice that many of these Salafi Muslims have great hatred for their Muslim brothers. This hatred they have for Muslims is very unhealthy. How can the Muslim umma unite with all this hatred and destruction. Muslims should have mercy and compassion for each other. When your Muslim brother makes a mistake, you should advice him instead of immediately accusing him of kufur.

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      Jehan

      “Islam has nothing to do with idol worshipping.”

      Wahhabism has nothing to do with women’s freedom. Wahhabism has everything to do with the Iblis, Satan, Devil.

      Hadith of Najd

      Saudi Woman Who Posted Video of Cheating Husband Faces Jail

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5LkPq-nivU

      Published on Oct 7, 2015
      A Saudi Arabian woman who secretly filmed her husband cheating on her with the housemaid and then posted the video online is now facing defamation charges, which carry a maximum sentence of one year in prison, or a fine of up to $133,332. We look at the viral video and the debate surrounding it on the Lip News with Jo Ankier and Nik Zecevic.

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      Izeth Hussain

      RE: Wahhabism Is Power-Worship

      Wahhabism is Satan, Iblis, Devil Worship by those who were misled by Satan, Iblis, Devil, as per Islamic Theology, aided and abetted by Abdul Wahab, who hailed from Najd, Saudi Arabia, as per Hadith of Najd, modern day Riyadh, in order to deceive humanity, and take to Hell Fire along with the Iblis, Satan, Devil, using Saudi Petrodollars, supplied by the Great Satan.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

      It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate.

      (Allah) said: “What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?” He said: “I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay.”
      — Quran, sura 7 (Al-A’raf) ayat 11-12

      Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it.

      Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity’s inferiority, and justify his act of defiance.[citation needed] For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called “Shaytan” (Satan).

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    ***’Because of people like you, the rest of us have to suffer’***.

    Lets discuss this common accusation.

    The sad reality of the Muslims today is generally we tend to not like taking the blame but rather shift the blame onto others.

    So let’s put some accusations into its true context. Let those who accuse the believers realise what they are saying.

    “O Muhammad (saw)! Because of you, the believers in Quraish suffered persecution and torture”.

    Because of You O Rasoolullah, Sumayya(r) and Ammaar(r) were killed.

    Because of you, the people had split ranks and families had disunited.

    Because of you, new laws and measures were imposed.

    Because of you, the rest of us had to flee our homes.

    O brothers and sisters, contemplate for a moment!

    Why are you so adamant to please the kuffar.

    Didn’t Allaah tell us the following ?

    “And the Jews and Christians will NEVER be pleased with YOU until you follow THEIR way of life”.
    [al-Baqarah 2:120]

    So let’s not blame the believers for being the cause of problems. Blame your moderate selves. You in the majority are the cause for violent assaults on this Ummah. You, the majority are the reason why new laws are implemented and Muslims are being suppressed

    As for the believers, then they are happy with these trials because of the words of Allaah :

    “Do people think they will be left alone because they say ‘we believe’ and not be tested?’

    ”And We indeed tested those before them. And will make it known those who are truthful and those who are the liars”

    surah al Ankaboot verse 2-3

    The conflict between truth and falsehood will remain until the truth is established. So to blame the kafir for causing harm would be wrong because they are doing what they are supposed to. In short the kafir is being a kafir. That’s not the problem. The actual problem is the Muslims are not doing what they are supposed to be doing except for a few.

    This reminds me of a brother who once said before going to prison,

    ” These foolish people think they can wear a suit on, style their hair, put nice perfume and then go to the sea and not get wet. On top of that they complain about being drenched in water”. Wallaah, very wise words.

    What he meant was how do you claim to be a Muslim living amongst the kuffar and expect not to face any problems. And on top of that complain about the few Muslims who are standing up for Islam.

    So my brothers and sister remove your love for them and defend your brothers and sisters … atleast verbally!

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      Jehan,

      You have quoted this from some source:

      “And the Jews and Christians will NEVER be pleased with YOU until you follow THEIR way of life”. [al-Baqarah 2:120]

      No, we don’t want to convert you to follow “OUR way of life”; but the perception of the World as a whole seems to be that Islam is a curse inflicted upon the world, and that is greatly owing to what guys like YOU write. Now, readers of the articles of IH are getting to realise that what they have had are MISconceptions. Long may non-Whabic, Koranic, Islam flourish!

      Do you really think that Allah can need puny guys like you to “stand up for Islam?

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    Dear Izeth,

    You write endlessly boring articles on why Wahabisms etc are “ok”. Clearly a Muslim apologist. But the unfortunately the reality is Islam has always bean a violent religion especially from the time it came out of middle east. It exploded violently westwards in to North Africa and then in to Iberian peninsular (Spain/Portugal) and Eastwards to Hindustan/India.

    It was always murder, rape and plunder. (please educate your self properly on Islamic history before writing ignorant and self-deluding articles. Please refer to the greatest single crime of Islam the destruction of the Greatest University in the ancient world, the Nalanda Buddhist University, Bihar, India, where thousands of Buddhist monks who practised non-violence were beheaded/massacred, libraries burnt, students murdered, by muslim fanatics).

    Your stable-mate Nishtar Idrus (PhD)needs to do the same as well

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      We’ll read: well said

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      Nalanda University, which was set up at Rajgir in Bihar in 413 AD during the Gupta dynasty, had emerged as a world seat of learning before it was destroyed sometime in the 11th century. External Affairs Minister, SushmaSwaraj along with Bihar’s Chief Minister, Jitam Ram Manjhi, formally inaugurated the new Nalanda University on September 19. The creation of new varsity came into existence in 2010 through an Act of Parliament seeking to recapture the lost glory of its earlier avatar. Many of the dailies published reports on varsity’s past glory, its decay, theories of uprooting of Buddhism etc. Unfortunately, most of these carried fabricated and concocted stories on destruction of the varsity, peddling a perverse perception of the Indian past.

      The most amusing was to read ‘Nalanda varsity set to capture erstwhile glory in new avatar’in Hindustan Times, Patna,on September 1, 2014. In the write-up it was stated that ‘the university fell upon hard times when it was overrun by the Huns under Mihirakula during the reign of Skandgupta (455-467 AD). But it was restored by his successors. The university was destroyed again by the Gaudas in the early 7th century but was restored again by king Harshvardhana (606-648 AD). But it could not recover from the third and final blow dealt in 1193 AD by Bakhtiar Khilji, a general of Qutubuddin Aibak, out to uproot Buddhism. The Turkish invaders set blaze and destroyed the huge library of the university, said to rival one at Luxor in Egypt’. On September 15, 2014 the same daily, again, reiterated that ‘the original Nalanda University……was burnt down by an army of Turkish invaders in 1193’. (‘Nalanda varsity set to capture erstwhile glory in new avatar’, Hindustan Times, Patna, September 15, 2014)

      Another leading daily of Patna, The Times of India, in its September 20, 2014 issue stated that ‘, Nalanda Mahavihara was reduced to ruins by foreign invaders’. Daily Pioneer from Delhi, on September 20, 2014, reported that ‘Nalanda University was burnt down 800 years ago by a Turkish army’ (September 20, 2014). Without mentioning the name these dailies have indicated that it was none else than Bakhtiyar Khilji who destroyed Nalanda University.

      Such falsification of history, with a clear design of creating hatred and ill-will in the society, misleads readers and pulls wool over their eyes. In obvious fact, the historical evidence proves that much before invasion of Bakhtiyar Khilji, Nalanda University had already fallen to ruins because of the rivalry of Hinayana (simple Mahayana) and Mahayana influenced with the ideas of Brahminism. Indeed, there was another Mahavihara in Odantapuri (modern Bihar Sharif in Nalanda District) inside the fort of the local king which was partially affected in the course of battle between the forces of Bakhtiyar Khilji and the local king in 1197 or 1198 AD. The chronicle, Tabaqat-i-Nasiri of Minhaj-i –Siraj, which is usually referred to be historical record of the time, apparently refers to this place and does not even mention the name of Nalanda. Presumably, Nalanda was then a desolate place.

      The fortified monastery which Bakhtiyar captured was, “known as Audand-Bihar or Odandapura-vihara” (Odantapuri in Biharsharif then known simply as Bihar). Minhaj does not refer to Nalanda at all. He merely speaks of the ransacking of the “fortress of Bihar” (Hisar-i-Bihar). This is the view of many historians and, most importantly, of Jadunath Sarkar, whose credibility is honoured even by right wing historians. (History of Bengal, vol. 2, pp.3-4).

      Historical evidence also suggests that Bakhtiyar Khilji did not go to Nalanda at all. It ‘escaped the main fury of the Muslim conquest because it lay not on the main route from Delhi to Bengal but needed a separate expedition’. (A S Altekar in Introduction to Roerich’s Biography of Dharmasvamin). Also, a few years after Bakhtiyar’s sack of Odantapuri, when the Tibetan monk Dharmasvamin visited Nalanda in 1234, he “found some buildings unscathed” in which some pandits and monks resided and received instruction from Mahapandita Rahulshribhadra. In fact, Bakhtiyar seems to have proceeded from Biharsharif to Nadia in Bengal through the hills and jungles of the region of Jharkhand, which, incidentally, finds first mention in an inscription of 1295 AD (Comprehensive History of India, vol. IV, pt. I, p.601).

      KP Jaiswal Research institute, Patna was established in 1951 by the Government of Bihar with the object, inter alia, to promote historical research, archaeological excavations and investigations and publication of works of permanent value to scholars. The research work titled ‘The Antiquarian Remains in Bihar’ by DR Patil, published as a ‘Historical Research Series’, by the Institute in 1963 reveals that: ‘…no Mohammedan Makhdum, Pir or saint of great repute happened to grace the tops of the Nalanda mounds with their tombs or mosques. This is a feature, which, it should be noted, is commonly to be observed all over Bihar at sites of celebrated and important sanctuaries. At Bihar Sharif itself many of such Muslim monuments still exist; but their absence at Nalanda, hardly six or seven miles away, is rather surprising. Had Nalanda been a living institute of great repute or importance at the time of the invasion of Bakhtiar Khilji in 1197 or 1198 AD, we should expect the Muslim Chronicles of the event to have known and mentioned the name of Nalanda. The place, said to have been destroyed by the invader, is described to be a great city and a place of study then known as Bihar, which would more appropriately be a reference to the modern Bihar Sharif, which also had a monastery, and not to Nalanda, near which there existed no big city worth the name. As is known, one of the Pala rulers had established a monastery at Odantapuri or Bihar Sharif itself which may have affected adversely. All these would indicate that, quite before Bakhtiar Khilji’s invasion, Nalanda had perhaps fallen to decay or ruins already; but how and when actually this happened is still a mystery to be unravelled’. (Page 304). The research further indicates that‘….there is, therefore, reason to believe that Nalanda had met its final end sometime in the 11th century i.e. more than hundred years before Bakhtiar Khilji invaded Bihar in 1197A.D’.(Page 325). This historical research series was published under the patronage of the Government of Bihar in 1963.

      Furthermore, DN Jha, former Professor, Department of History, University of Delhi, in the article ‘Grist to the reactionary mill’(Indian Express, July 9, 2014), on destruction of Nalanda University, quotes that: ‘Tibetan monk and scholar, Taranatha, writes inHistory of Buddhism in India’ : ‘During the consecration of the temple built by Kakutsiddha at Nalendra [Nalanda] “the young naughty sramanas threw slops at the two tirthika beggars and kept them pressed inside door panels and set ferocious dogs on them”. Angered by this, one of them went on arranging for their livelihood and the other sat in a deep pit and “engaged himself in surya sadhana” [solar worship] , first for nine years and then for three more years and having thus “acquired mantrasiddhi” he “performed a sacrifice and scattered the charmed ashes all around” which “immediately resulted in a miraculously produced fire”, consuming all the eighty four temples and the scriptures some of which, however, were saved by water flowing from an upper floor of the nine storey Ratnodadhi temple’. (History of Buddhism in India,written in the 17th century, English tr. Lama Chimpa & Alka Chattopadhyaya, summary of page 141-42).This should mean, he continues, that ‘the idea of Brahminical hostility to the religion of the Buddha traveled to Tibet fairly early and became part of its Buddhist tradition, and found expression in the 17th-18th century Tibetan writings’.

      A number of other Indian scholars like R K Mookerji (Education in Ancient India), Sukumar Dutt (Buddhist Monks and Monasteries of India), Buddha Prakash (Aspects of Indian History and Civilization), and S C Vidyabhushana who interpreted the text, viewed that it refers to an actual “scuffle between the Buddhist and Brahmanical mendicants and the latter, being infuriated, propitiated the Sun god for twelve years, performed a fire- sacrifice and threw the living embers and ashes from the sacrificial pit into the Buddhist temples which eventually destroyed the great library at Nalanda called Ratnodadhi’ (History of Indian Logic, page 516 as cited by D R Patil,The Antiquarian Remains in Bihar, page 327). Scholars named above were all polymaths of unimpeachable academic honesty and integrity.

      As regards uprooting of Buddhism there are various theories put forward which seek to explain the tragic eclipse. Even today Gaya is oftenly in news as Buddhists are still struggling to wrest control of their most holy shrine. The age-old conflict between Buddhism and Brahminism, it seems, is yet to be resolved.

      But the effort to associate Bakhtiyar Khalji with the destruction and burning of the University of Nalanda and of the uprooting of Buddhism from its place of birth is a glaring example of the wilful distortion of history. Certainly such biased historians and their ilk are always free to falsify historical data but this only reveals the lack of any serious historical exercise.The truth is sacrosanct and history needs to be preserved and presentation without making it a victim of the prejudices of any kind.
      —-
      The author of the above article is Mr. Ansari is Secretary of Peace Foundation, Patna and he can be reached at E-mail : peacefoundationbihar@gmail.com

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        J.Deane

        Thanks for the post and the references.

        Is this another version of Islamophobia or distortion of history?

        They were Turks. Turks converted to Islam quite later. So they were “Turkish” “Muslims”. What caused the destruction? Turkish or being Muslims?

        We know the Nazis, Germans, destroyed a lot, and carried out many massacres and genocides. They were Catholics and Protestants by Faith. The Catholic, being Catholics, carried put their own atrocities. The Vandals who destroyed Rome 1,700 years ago were Germans or Germanic Tribes.

        So, in the interest of knowing the truth, historical truth, it will be very useful to sort out these differentiations. Is Islam and its abhorrence of Idol Worship the Primary Cause for the destruction of Nalanda University? Why did the others destroy, before that? Was it because of the threat Buddhism posed to Hinduism?

        Just wondering.

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          Amarasiri, looks like you skipped a para.
          They were Turks. Turks converted to Islam quite later. So they were “Turkish” “Muslims”. What caused the destruction? Turkish or being Muslims?

          A number of other Indian scholars like R K Mookerji (Education in Ancient India), Sukumar Dutt (Buddhist Monks and Monasteries of India), Buddha Prakash (Aspects of Indian History and Civilization), and S C Vidyabhushana who interpreted the text, viewed that it refers to an actual “scuffle between the Buddhist and Brahmanical mendicants and the latter, being infuriated, propitiated the Sun god for twelve years, performed a fire- sacrifice and threw the living embers and ashes from the sacrificial pit into the Buddhist temples which eventually destroyed the great library at Nalanda called Ratnodadhi’ (History of Indian Logic, page 516 as cited by D R Patil,The Antiquarian Remains in Bihar, page 327). Scholars named above were all POLYMATHS of UNIMPEACHABLE ACADEMIC HONESTY and INTEGRITY.
          Sadly we hardly read the analyses of such POLYMATHS in this forum.

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            J.Deane

            “Amarasiri, looks like you skipped a para. “

            Yes, I did. get distracted, or scrolled too fast. You already had the point, “scuffle between the Buddhist and Brahmanical mendicants”. Thanks for pointing out.

            In situations like this, it always good to ask, who benefits and why? Brahmins?

            “Sadly we hardly read the analyses of such POLYMATHS in this forum.”

            Yes. But we have the Opposite, Rajesh Kaluthai, கழுதை.

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      Well read, …… need to Comprehend

      “You write endlessly boring articles on why Wahabisms etc are “ok”. Clearly a Muslim apologist.”

      You need to understand what Izeth Hussein is saying and differentiating. Wahhabism is not Islam, and is not representative of Islam, as interpreted by the Orthodox Schools. It was under the Orthodox Schools that Islamic Science advanced. So, there is no need to be an apologist for Orthodox Islam, Amarasiri assumes.

      He says, it is Wahhabism and its clones that is the Problem, he claims because of the misguided interpretation of the Quran, literally, as opposed to reason.

      Is Buddhism the Problem or “Sinhala” Buddhism, the Problem? Learn to differentiate.

      There was Arab imperialist expansion. Genghis Kahn did that too, even through most of the Mongols got converted to Islam.

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      Wahabism, Wahabism, Wahabism!!! Irrespective of whether local Muslims want this or not this controversial Izeth Hussain thrusts this provocative subject down their throats. Why? Is it to keep his weekly column filled in with trash in The Island. That regularly bringing this up creating dangerous and negative consequences to the safety of the Muslims in the four corners of the Island appear not to matter much to the man. Is he not aware keeping this divisive subject in the constant consciousness of readers – notably gaining the attention of anti-Muslims rabid Sinhala outfits – threatens to harm the safety of Muslims in the country and their livelihood, vital trading interests island-wide. The fault lies for not resisting this madness at the feet of representative and influential Muslim Organisations. It is they who should restrain this loose cannon before he takes them down the path of many more Aluthgamas.

      Hussain maintains, as usually quoting another – “Wahhabism is not an atavastic throwback but a MODERNISING MOVEMENT” He will have very few buyers for this retarded logic which also contradicts his lengthy and tiresome cosmetic criticism of Wahabism.

      Saudi Arabia abandoning Wahabism is utterly delusional. Since the EU condemnation (2013) of this toxic and savage doctrine Wahabism in its many manifestation has managed to make Islam itself Public Enemy No.1 in the entire civilised world. The barbarity of sadistic attacks on civilians in many parts of the world – notably the Western world – is shocking and will not be free of consequences. While the senseless Paris massacre stands out among recent excesses we have now the merciless killing in Aden (Yemen) last Friday (March 04) where IS “Islamic warriors” have carried out summary executions of several members of the Indian-run Sisters of Charity running a nursing home for the Sick/Elderly in Aden. This charity under the inspiration of the venerable Mother Teresa was begun at the invitation of the North Yemen authorities in 1973. It may be noted there were no such humane facilities in this poor city although Yemen is geographically part of fabulously wealthy Saudi Arabia!!!!! For good measure these “ Islamic warriors” have kidnapped the Keralite Clerical head of the facility. Todate the poor man’s fate is unknown. A demand for ransom in the coming days in expected – as is usual in that part of the Islamic world. All, of course, done in the name of Islam to the cries of Allahu Akbar. The Vatican that uses polite and guarded language in its public pronouncements was to call the savagery a “diabolical act”

      The civilised world wonders why these beasts indulge in such ghastly deeds invoking the name of their religion. Why did Hasnain Warekhar in Thane, Mumbai last week slit the throats of about 15 members of his own family – invited there for a family Dinner. The victims included his wife, infant child, father, mother and close relatives. He has used a large knife the family uses to kill goats at regular family meals. Why did he commit such a savage act – on his own immediate family while all of them were peacefully sleeping? Mumbai newspapers speculate if the mass killings are a result of the centric feature of violence and blood in the religion.

      Back in Europe thousands of Muslim refugees, mainly from Syria, seeking safety and a home there by force have made millions of enemies in the usually hospitable Europeans. They carry placards that audaciously cLLS “Open the Borders” and other provocative demands on the local population. While basic human reaction calls for sympathy to those fleeing trouble at home the fact that these hordes are violent, boisterous and do not respect the laws of their thei temporary host country makes the non-Islamic world wonder if this barbarity and violence is in the blood of all Muslims – in this lunatic global effort to Islamise the whole world – NOW.

      In the Batticaloa District in Sri Lanka, the majority Tamil community in many villages have been violently chased out by the Muslims in recent years. Names of roads and towns are Islamised. The Eastern Provincial Council is now in Muslim majority hands. This danger can spread to other parts of the South as well. The Sinhalese themselves live in fear of a long-term deceptive and deleterious take- over bid. The fear of what happened to Maldives haunts them. Even majority Tamilnadu sees many signs of their own once-peaceful Muslims gradually being radicalised with sporadic and periodical attacks on public utilities – secretly helped by Pakistani Intelligence.

      Predictably, Izeth H will call me an anti-Muslim racist and pour scorn for bringing out these legitimate fears out in the open. But the stark fact is people here and all over the world have reached the end of their tether. They have seen the danger within them. Already, Sinhala interests have taken matters up with the President against Sharia banking while a well-developed secular banking system is available to all in the country.

      Backlash

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        Backlash – this Backlash has been one of the two most nasty and stinky Tamil Islamophobic racists who have been attacking me.He explodes in detail about the horrors perpetrated by the Wahhabis and their clones. But he objects to one SL Muslim, just one – myself – who has been writing against Wahhabism and its clones. The contradiction is glaring. But he won’t be able to see it.The explanation: he has been bestialized by his Islamophobic racism.- IH

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          Izeth Hussain and Backlash, RE: Iblisic Wahhabies

          Amarasiri’s goal is to expose the Stupidity of the Iblis, Satan, Devil Following Wahhabies and their clones, who cannot differentiate between Reverence and Worship, Reason and Revelation an literal interpretation. Christianity have been there before, but have generally got out of that literal interpretation of scripture business. They have become a global problem.

          1. Can you two, set you differences aside, and corporate to address the major problem, BOTH of you can agree on, the Iblis, Satan, Devil Following Wahhabies and their Clones.

          2. Backlash, Amarasiri is at a loss to understand why you are attacking Izeth Hussein, when he is exposing the Iblis, Satan Devil Following Wahhabies and their Clones, intellectually and based on the Quran and Hadith.

          3. Backlash, is it because, Izeth Hussein, just like HLD Mahindapala and many others are exposing the Vellala Racism towards the lower caste Tamils, Muslims and Sinhala? Izeth Hussein’s criticism of Tamil racism against Sri Lankan Muslims are very minor compared to his frontal attacks on Wahhabism, which is Not Islamic, an Iblisic, Satanic Ideology. You should see that from the criticism leveled at Izeth Hussein in the comments by the Wahhabies and their clone followers.

          4. Three are rumblings that the IQ distribution of Sri Lankan Tamils is bimodal. Those with common sense and those with very low IQ. It is most likely true for SL Muslims as well. Those who are not-Wahhabies and those who are Wahhabies. For support Look at the GMAT scores of Saudi Wahhabi Graduates who took the GMAT test, and compare to the rest of the world.

          It is not Islam, it is not capitalism, but it is Wahhabism, that makes one stupid. Compare the Scores for Turkey, 550, Iran, 520 and USA, 532 for confirmation, whereas for Wahhabi Saudi Arabia it is 311 and for the Wahhabi Clone Taliban Afghanistan 309.

          References:

          1. The Story Of Two Graphs Drawn By A Tamil Man

          https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/the-story-of-two-graphs-drawn-by-a-tamil-man/

          https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/the-story-of-two-graphs-drawn-by-a-tamil-man/onioniqdistributions/

          2. Wahhabi Ignorance. One cannot find well-informed minds among the Wahhabies and their clones. Why? Is it because the Wahhabies are deceived and follow the Devil, Satan, and Iblis? Why is that the Average GMAT score of the Saudis, who have the highest percentage of Wahhabies so low? Their brains are filled with Wahhabi Ideology, just like ISIS, Iblis State, and their brains are left with very little critical thinking capacity?

          Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

          http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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            Thank you, the scholarly Muslim writing as Amarasiri, for your conciliatory remarks. You ask me why I attack IH. My respectful answer to you is I do not attack him Ad Hominem. I engage the provocative drivel he so boringly inflicts on the readership regularly. Particularly those with an anti-Tamil prejudice. You will note I am not alone here. Many others, including several Muslims, find him utterly repugnant, irresponsible and a danger to a Muslims in the island.

            You say he exposes Wahabism. I suspect this is highly suspect. It is more to remain in the public Islamic focus. Surely you have not forgotten his encouraging remarks about Wahabism in this very page itslef viz: – Wahabism is a modernising movement. It is contradictions such as this that exposes the deceptive character of Izeth H.

            With all respect, I’d advise you to please keep off what you describe wrongfully as “Vellala racism towards the lower castes” The cultured and educated Lankan Tamil Nation is doing this well by themselves. The bygone excesses of casteism in the North-East, even you will adimit, is far less intense now than it was decades ago. Evolving modern society, the growing sense of justice and education will make certain this untenable system will be gradually rooted out to a considerable degree. What learned Muslims like yourself should do, methinks, is to prevent the Wahabist/Islamic Fundamentalist virus further contaminating young Muslim children and their educational process, Madrasas etc., This is a result of the sinister objectives of Global Islam to take over the world that began some decades ag – and in acceleration now.

            As mentioned by me and others before, Izeth H takes an extremist Islamic posture to make up for his personal history of being a half-Muslim. He suffers this complex immensely. As to his regular gutter language, curses and abuse, I suspect, these are part of his upbringing in the plebeian Maradana culture.

            Backlash

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              Backlash / Amarasiri – The Tamil attempt to stop me being published failed.Then Backie and some others followed the line of trying to get the Muslims to stop me being published.I will provide some information of interest to Backie and the readers.The third part of my article on a case for extirpating Wahhabism was published as usual in the Island and the CT. In addition it was published also in the Daily Mirror. How does that make you feel Backie boy? That article has been translated into Tamil and is circulating in the social media. That has been done by Muslims. That article will also be published by the Muslim newspaper Al Islam. Furthermore I am told tht it is also going to be published by a Tamil newspaper.Looks like you are isolated by the Tamils and your ravings have no representative quality at all. /// You will agree that the Tamils have no greater non-Tamil friend than Dr Brian Seneviratne. He has been very complimentary about my articles, including the present one. How you feelin’ Backie boy? – IH

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                While I await the rationally considered view of Amarasiri, I am not surprised the testy Izeth H has, once more, jumped the gun. He quotes the Island, DM and Tamil news outfits for carrying his current piece. Good for him. I have no problems there. But he must be grateful to the generous pages of the Colombo Telegraph for giving far wider coverage for his all-too-often despicable comments. It is CT that allows much space for readers’ comments. Needless to add, there is a regular flow against Izeth’s verbal diarrhea. While he quotes Brian S again as one of his defenders a regular reader here – often at loggerheads with this “one of the five best diplomats in the world” – reveals one more inconvenient truth about this garrulous old timer. We are told by this savvy reader Hussain was “summarily relieved of your post at Seilan Muslim” tch!tch! Too bad, eh! That is clearly not the first nor the last booting out of this avid anti-Tamil “intellectual” even from a journal read not by many.

                Backlash

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                  Backlash

                  “1. Can you two, set you differences aside, and corporate to address the major problem, BOTH of you can agree on, the Iblis, Satan, Devil Following Wahhabies and their Clones.”

                  Steve Jobs of Apple Computers and Many others have been let go from their jobs or positions and that in itself is not a disqualification.

                  Many have identified the Problem as Wahhabism.

                  The Roots of ISIS

                  Published on Sep 14, 2015
                  The Roots of ISIS

                  Please share and like to understand how ISIS started and what we must to do stop it.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNLrNpP8rA&ebc=ANyPxKpO0AyCXQU9HJYeqfvJbxMflUW8EmLAz395fYQ7Joo–1KZzkpeXQtlBCNg8hj3N2NA59nhD9APLnySzapWzUW5OQ6nAA

                  How Saudi Arabia created ISIS.

                  Since its inception Saudi Arabia has been playing a dangerous game of actively funding Wahhabis (Islamic Facism) and at the very same time buying arms and munitions to appease the west. The documentary highlights how Islamism secretly infected Muslims across the world by building Salafi mosques in Europe, Asia, America and in particular Pakistan which becomes of its remote location and tribal traditions took a hold with the Soviet war being a rallying banner for all those who wanted to fight. That generation of Islamism have infected and destroyed a generation of Muslims across the world and has completely warped all other beautiful and tolerant forms of Islam such as Sufism, nations such as Chechnya, Indonesia, India Turkey and many more had, in the past relative peaceful populations but since the inception of the cold war, have now turned in to battleground and apocalyptic hell holes all supported and funded by Saudi Arabia.

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                  Backlash/Amarasiri/ Jamaat Deane – Come on Backie boy, face up to the facts.The attempts to stop me being published have failed for years. The Island and Colombo Telegraph continue to publish me. In addition the Daily Mirror has republished a recent article of mine.It has been republished in Al Islam. It has been translated into Tamil and is circulating in the social media.It is going to be published in a Tamil newspaper.In addition an American website has published it.I have been informed by a contact that my last two articles have been published by websites in Sri Lanka, India, Nigeria, the West “etc”. How you feelin’ Backie boy? And you Jamaat Deane, how you feelin’? – IH

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                    Amarasiri and J. Deane will note, as many of us have for a while, that this boastful Izeth Hussain gives many and regular signs of having gradually gone off his rocker. This comment of his is further proof the derelict Octo is now beyond redemption. Yet, out of common courtesy we wish him speedy recovery.

                    Backlash

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    Izeth Hussain

    RE: Wahhabism Is Power-Worship

    1. “but a movement meant to cope with modernity, and that its strategy for that purpose is to transform Islam into an ideology of power-worship”

    2. “We can safely assume that that declaration was backed by studies made by scholars and specialists.”

    3. “However, Muslims who have been influenced by Wahhabism in Sri Lanka and elsewhere will give no weight at all to what the EU says.”

    4. “For that matter they give no weight at all to what the scholars of orthodox Islam have to say.”

    5. “The Wahhabis and their clones believe what they want to believe and they use texts towards that end.”

    The Amarasiri Hypothesis says that,

    1. The Iblis, Satan, Devil infected Ibn Taymiah about 700 years ago.

    2. Then Iblis, Satan, Devil infected Abdul Wahhab from Najd about 250 years ago, based on the Hadith of Najd.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

    3. The Saudi Wahhabism, sprang from Najd, the Horn of the Devil, Satan.

    4. In the Quran the Satan and Devil, Shaitan is mentioned 88 times. The Iblis is mentioned 11 times. So 88/11 =8 ,
    Also 88+11 = 99.

    So the Devil is warned 99 times in the Quran. Did the Quran talk about the Salafis and the Wahhabies?

    Is this just a coincidence or more than a coincidence?

    5. According to Islamic Theology, the Devil, Satan, Iblis wants to Mislead the Muslims and take them along to Hell with Satan. Is the Devil partially succeeding with the Saudi Wahhabies and their Clones ISIS? Are they “Muslims” or are they Iblisis?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

    Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis from smokeless fire.[1] For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it. Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity’s inferiority, and justify his act of defiance. For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called “Shaytan” (Satan).

    References:

    al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU

    Wahhabism: The School of Ibn Taymiyyah – The Root of Terrorism?

    Published on Jun 26, 2015
    A look at the root and ideology of Wahhabism. Founded by Mohammed Ibn Abdul Wahab who was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyyah. This documentary studies their teachings and why so much hatred is seen towards other religions and sects because of their teachings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mBWMbuDp-s

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    Izeth Hussain RE: The Best Strategy : Expose Wahhabi Stupidity

    RE: Wahhabism Is Power-Worship

    “The best strategy to move towards an extirpation of Wahhabism could be a three-pronged one:”
    a) firstly, show that at the very core of Wahhabism there is nonsense and everything that flows from that core is nonsensical;

    b) secondly, that extreme violence and terrorism are of the essence of Wahabism;

    c) thirdly, that Wahabism is an unIslamic ideology of power under which the mass of the Muslims will become robotic power worshipers. In addition it will help if it can be shown that some Western forces have been behind the spread of Wahhabism right from the inception and right down to the IS.”

    Fourthly

    Izeth you forgot the Amarasiri Hypothesis. The Wahhabi are the Followers of the Devil, Satan, Iblis, mentioned 99 timers in the Quran.

    Akli– Reason

    Nakli– Narrations : Wahhabis Depend only on Narrations

    Wahhabism: The School of Ibn Taymiyyah – The Root of Terrorism?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mBWMbuDp-s

    “(God is) the one Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion” (Sura 21: 33).

    “It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).”

    By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him…(Sura 91: 1-2)

    What Happens to Wahhabies, when they graduate from College or university and take the GMAT? They Fall to the Bottom among the Nations.

    “The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.” – Albert Einstein

    The Wahhabi GMAT score of 311, cannot do critical thinking. forget science for the wahhabies.

    Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

    http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

    Regression Plot: The regression plot for GMAT scores and L&V’s (2012) Estimated National IQs is shown below.

    https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png

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    Izeth Hussain

    “But I can’t see anything positive in Wahhabism. In its latest manifestation, the IS, it is just a grisly, gory, savage horror. There is much more to be said on Wahhabism as power worship. I will conclude this article by recalling Yeats’ great prophetic poem which concluded, “What rough beast slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?”. The IS rough beast wants to slouch towards Mecca to be born.”

    Only Low IQ Wahhabies and their Clones who Follow Satan can see something positive.

    Illuminati Symbol in Kavkaz Center

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRCJ9l_3Eqw

    Where is Najd – HORN of SATAN?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHymIJWMfA

    Published on Dec 5, 2014
    To all the doubters who still think Najd is in Iraq and not in Saudi Arabia.

    You noticed in this video that I quoted from scholars, Muslim geographers such as ibn Kurdadhbah, ibn Hawqal and even ibn Taymiyyah to leave you with no doubt that Najd is an area in modern day Saudi Arabia. Here I will once again quote ibn Taymiyyah so your mind will be at rest on this issue.

    Shaykh ibn Taymiyyah said in commentary of the hadeeth (where the sun rises) in Musnad Ahmad vol. 5, pp. 372-373 which is graded as authentic (QUOTE): “directly east of the city of the Prophet (p) is where Musaylimah the Liar came from – this one who claimed prophethood after the death of the Prophet (p) – and many people followed him. He was fought by Abu Bakr as-Siddiq” (Al-Jawab us-Sahih li-man Baddala din al-Masih, vol. 6, pp. 127-128). Musaylimah came from Al-Yamaamah and as I showed you in this video, that is located within Najd. This proves that Shaykh ibn Taymiyyah UNDERSTOOD Najd to be within the Arabian Peninsula, (modern day Saudi Arabia) and not in Iraq.

    HISTORICAL FACT: all the scholars who lived before the time of Muhammad ibn Abdil-Wahaab who had the title “An-Najdi” attached to their last names, in every case it was always understood that each of those scholars came from Arabia. No scholar who came from Iraq ever had the title “An-Najdi” attached to his last name.

    Now my brief refutation of the claim and evidences used to suggest Najd is in IRAQ.

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    Izeth Hussain –

    RE: ‘ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, really’ – Iraqi Interior Minister

    It has everything to do With Satan, Devil, Iblis.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l12sQ3T7vz4

    Published on May 25, 2015

    The Iraqi Army is fighting tooth and nail to stop the advance of Islamic State. Following a row of victories, which have brought many hopes of war ending soon, the Iraqi Army suffered a major defeat at Ramadi – letting a strategically important city, a doorstep to Baghdad, into the hands of radical Islamists. How’s that going to affect the war? Who’s on the winning side? And is the international community doing enough to prevent Islamic State from hegemony on the Middle East? SophieCo host asks these questions to Iraqi Interior Minister Mohammed Salem Al-Ghabban.

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    From the terrible axe of terrorist Wahab to the soothing heights of Yeat’s poetry,a superb article by NMMI Hussein.He was and is a class act.HLD Mahindapala are u reading it?Hope fully you could understand!!

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      I agree absolutely. What a clear, well-informed mind, and what lucid writing; let us hope that those attributes remain with him for many years to come.

      Dear “B Mackka”, why do you continue to read what Mr Hussain writes if you think that his efforts to educate us re Islam is so irrelevant? Not all problems can be solved by the “CID” or by a “military government”. It is an unfortunate truth of the human condition that each generation must learn from scratch and adapt to new condition.

      I think that Izeth Hussain IS the best example of “an ordinary Muslim” in the sense in which you use that term.

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        Sinhala_Man

        “What a clear, well-informed mind, and what lucid writing; let us hope that those attributes remain with him for many years to come.”

        “I think that Izeth Hussain IS the best example of “an ordinary Muslim” in the sense in which you use that term.”

        Yes, I agree fully, you will find such minds ONLY among those untainted by Wahhabism and their clones. Does Wahhabism and its Clones ONLY attract the least intelligent and stupid “Muslims”, or does Wahhabism make Muslims stupid, as indicated by the Saudi Wahhabi GMAT scores, compared to the other Nations?

        One cannot find such well-informed minds among the Wahhabies and their clones. Why?

        Is it because the Wahhabies are deceived and follow the Devil, Satan, and Iblis? Why is that the Average GMAT score of the Saudis, who have the highest percentage of Wahhabies so low? Their brains are filled with Wahhabi Ideology, just like ISIS, Iblis State, and their brains are left with very little critical thinking capacity?

        Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

        http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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    I wonder why Mr Hussein is going on and on and on about Wahabism etc Difficult to understand as normally we deal with ordinary Muslims who do not pose any problem. Perhaps if he has some inside information about ISIS in Sri Lanka he should contact the CID.

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      B Mackka

      “I wonder why Mr Hussein is going on and on and on about Wahabism etc “

      Why? Izeth Hussein, and many others have identified the Iblis, Satan, Devil Following Wahhabies and theit clones such as ISIS as the Problem, and exposing them.

      According to him, it is not the Orthodox Islam, that is the Problem, because the Orthodox Islam was there, there was the Islamic Golden Age, and the Ottoman Empire, Imperialism was there before that as well.

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    In Izzeth Hussains article ” A case for extirpating Wahabism” I wrote
    A Scholar is a learned or erudite person, especially one who has profound knowledge of a particular subject. With reference to Islam, an Islamic Scholar is, essentially a Muslim, and one devotes his lifetime in the pursuit of knowledge, living with and serving renown scholars of this period in his formative years. It is a feature among them that they commit most of the books they read to memory. When they reach an Ss status they obtain blessings to teach and share their knowledge. With this definition Izzeth Hussain falls far, very far short of the qualification to associate himself from Islamic scholarship. In fairness to Izzeth he never claimed to be one. So it naturally follows that whatever he writes on Islam is the rambling of an elderly man which should not be taken seriously. For the student of knowledge it is an absolute waste of time. Be that as it may, some us do read and reply to him to warn young Muslim minds against the inaccuracies and deviant leanings he espouses. In this regard it is relevant to quote S4 V 33. Which reads as follows:

    Say (O Muhammad SAW): “(But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al-Fawahish (great evil sins, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.”

    Reading through the present essay and comparing this with his previous contributions I feel quite justified in my conclusion that these are the ramblings of a senile person who is confused and is not sure himself of what he writes. We will examine his confounded conclusions. IH writes..

    “My thinking on this subject has in its background the fact that I read some decades ago in a great novel by Montherlant,….”
    Again he writes ..

    But first of all I must clear up some confusions. I concluded my last article on a case for extirpating Wahabism by stating that the crucial question that has to be addressed is whether or not it is the IS, not Saudi Arabia, that practices Wahhabism in its full authentic form. I wrote further that that question can be resolved only by establishing whether or not characteristic IS practices, such as sex slavery, have their warrant in what Wahhab actually preached. If not, there would be a case for extirpating just the IS but not Wahabism itself.

    IH should first clear his mind. All these questions can be resolved if IH can decide on the validity of Islam as preached by the Prophet Muhammad: whether it is a tenable religion or not. If he accepts it to be a tenable religion, then he should study the works of Sheik Muhammad to discover any variance or inconsistency in them from that of the preaching of the noble Prophet. This will be a more scholastic approach than to quote known malicious critics who have been refuted many times over. He will be able to get a clearer picture first hand and not depend on what he says that she says.

    IH says….
    When it suits their purposes they read Koranic texts literally, ignoring the contexts that give full meaning to those texts. They are capable of perverse misreading of texts. They are given to using hadiths of very doubtful authenticity that are not included in the six canonical books of the hadiths. And so on. Consequently it can hardly be expected that finding warrant for IS tenets and practices in what Wahhab preached will lead to any useful conclusion. The Wahabis and their clones believe what they want to believe and they use texts towards that end.

    This is the classic case of the POT calling the kettle BLACK. Surely IH ( and his side-kick Amarasiri) have been doing this too, without understanding their sources and their classification. If IH reads and understands the standing of the Scholars I referred to, he will not write this rubbish! Today in this computer age we have access to the most authentic books which quote Hadith with the chain of narrations and their classification with the methodology used in their classification. The profiles of the narrators are also available This is one of the outstanding features in the reporting of Hadith and a real Islamic Scholar is the one who masters this science! The likes of Imam Shafeyi, ibn Hajr Asqalani, ibn Qayyim and in this era Sheik Nassar uddin Albani.

    They are given to using hadiths of very doubtful authenticity that are not included in the six canonical books of the hadiths.

    This statement shows IH ‘s emptiness with regard to his knowledge of Islam. The so called six canonical works are not free from the inclusion of weak Hadith. Sheik Albani has done excessive research and has pin pointed them giving reasons. His two books on Hadeeths ‘Selselatu Alahadeeth Alsaheha’ (chain of authentic hadeeths) and ‘Shelsalat Alahadeeth Aldaeefah’ (chain of weak hadeeths) are regarded as excellent reference books on the subject. These volumes were produced by late Al-Albaani after going through the large amount of Hadith books and verifying the authenticated chains of narrations for thousands of Hadeeths and their indexes.

    For IH to think that Hadith included in the six canonical works are all authentic shows the paucity of his knowledge on Islam and his absolute disqualification to write on any subject pertaining to Islam as a MUSLIM. If he claims to be writing as an observer from without the fold of Muslims, like Amarasiri, then this makes sense that he is writing NONSENSE and it is best left at that.

    IH CONTRADICTS.

    I will now substantiate the point that extreme violence and terrorism are of the very essence of Wahhabism. – Wahabism is Power Worship

    Honestly I cannot find much more to say in favor of Sheikh Wahab than that he represented an impulse to return to the roots for renewal and the conditions of the times in which he lived certainly warranted that.
    Anyway the impulse to return to the roots to seek self-renewal is a profoundly human one, and in so far as Wahabism is a manifestation of that impulse it has to be respected. Furthermore there was a deep need in the Arabia of Wahab’s time to get rid of unIslamic accretions that were stifling Islam – Countering Wahabism part 2

    IH writes. What flows from it, such as the sacking of Kerbela in 1801 including the massacre of 5,000 innocent men, women, and children, is also nonsense, moronic, brutal, subhuman nonsense, – and that’s at the core of Wahhabism and all its clones.
    Wahabism is Power Worship

    But in Countering Wahabism part 2 the tone is different and he writes
    The sacking of Kerbela came ten years after the death of Sheikh Wahab, and furthermore there is no doubt that he would have disapproved of it. An important fact is that the Kerbela sacking was carried out by self-styled Wahabis, The sacking of Kerbela came ten years after the death of Sheikh Wahab, and furthermore there is no doubt that he would have disapproved of it. Here I have to make some observations on the point that what Sheikh Wahab preached was one thing and Wahabism is quite another thing.

    Wahhab agreed to the stoning to death of an adulteress. According to Natana de Longbas, presently one of the foremost apologist s for Wahhabism, he did so very reluctantly because the woman was obviously mentally deranged: she repeatedly committed adultery and spoke about it openly. In her lengthy defense of Wahhab’s crime that I have read de Longbas fails to mention that Wahhab did not use the unanswerable argument that the Koran itself prescribes no more than 80 lashes as punishment for adultery and that he could not allow a Koranic provision to be overridden by a hadith of very doubtful authenticity. ….The episode suggests that sadistic brutality was part of Wahhab’s personality.

    Let IH assess his own ignorance by reading Sahih Bukhari Hadith No: 3:50:885. The Prophet himself prescribed the same punishment. So IH does not need to read Natana de Longbas unless he lacks confidence in the most authentic book in Islam Sahih Bukhari, i.e. after the Noble Qur’an. His statement amounts to making the same insult ipso facto to the noble Prophet that he made to Sheik Muhammad اعود ب الله

    With regard to the various contributors and their contribution on this thread I wish to single out Amarasiri who’s seems to be holding a brief for IH and enjoys a somewhat of a platonic relationship with him, never criticizing him though their concepts are not a hundred percent on the same wave length.

    Amarasiri, the Wikipedia student, is the classic case of the proverbial PARANGIA Kotte giya. To explain ( or really to confuse) a simple argument he brings in Quantum physics, Regression Plots, GMAT scores and L&Vs etc etc etc and a whole heap of crap. Amarasiri believes in the following:
    1. That Islam is a false religion
    2. That Islam preaches violence
    3. The Quran contains many inconsistencies that Prophet Muhammad was a good person but he preached falsehood?

    In this scenario he quotes the Quran at length confusing many to believe that he is a Muslim. This is like the Devil ( in his language IBLIS, SHAITAN quoting the bible). In other words he plays a Trojan horse acting to vanquish his enemy ( Muslims). Not understanding Islam from within is a great disadvantage. Not having a sound knowledge of who the true Islamic Scholars are, only exacerbates this situation.

    During the period of eminent scholars like Imams, Maliki,Sufyan Ath Thawri, Abu Haniffa, Shafiy and Ahmad, they had many enemies even among the ‘Ulema’ of those times. In consequence some of them were incarcerated and even subject to bodily harm. These enemies also had their supporters but eventually Truth was victorious and the Scholars gained due recognition.

    The case of Sheiks Ibn Tayyimah and Muhammad are no different to those of the pious Imams. Both brought about a revival of the true Islam in its pristine form. They too had their enemies, among them the so-called Scholar from Al-Azhar. None of their critics have faulted the books authored by these two great Scholars. All the criticism is based on hearsay, falsehood and misinterpretation to a mischievous agenda.

    Long ago they accused al-Shaafa’i of being a Raafidi (Shi’ah) and he refuted them by saying: “If being a Raafidi means loving the family of Muhammad, then let the two races (of mankind and the jinn) bear witness that I am a Raafidi.”

    We refute the claims of those who accuse us of being Wahhabis by quoting the words of Shaykh Mullah ‘Imraan who was a Shi’i but Allaah guided him to the Sunnah. He said:

    “If the follower of Ahmad [the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)] is a Wahhaabi, then I affirm that I am a Wahhaabi. I reject the association of any other with Allaah, for I have no Lord except the Unique, the Bestower (al-Wahhaab). Those who were called by the Prophet accused him of being a sorcerer and a liar.”
    (See: Manhaaj al-Firqat al-Naajiyah by Shaykh Muhammad Jameel Zayno, p. 142-143

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      The following paragraph was inadvertently omitted and should be read after the Quranic quotation
      S4 V33

      Say (O Muhammad SAW): “(But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al-Fawahish (great evil sins, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.”

      According to the scholars Allah grades sins in degrees of severity in this verse, starting from Al-Fawahish to unrighteous oppression, all forgivable. Then follows Shirk, terminating in talking about Allah without knowledge. The scholars term the latter as the ‘ mother of shirk’ since it is what gives birth to shirk (polytheism).

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        J.Deane March 5, 2016 at 3:40 pm

        RE: Grades of Sin

        “According to the scholars Allah grades sins in degrees of severity in this verse, starting from Al-Fawahish to unrighteous oppression, all forgivable. Then follows Shirk, terminating in talking about Allah without knowledge. The scholars term the latter as the ‘ mother of shirk’ since it is what gives birth to shirk (polytheism). “

        Can you please cite the Grades of Sin from

        1. The Quran

        2. Hadith

        3. Other Writings

        4. Other Interpretations by the Scholars, so that Amarasiri can read, comprehend and comment of their interpretations.

        Thank you.

        We know in the Quran, the punishment for Adultery is 100 lashes, even though Abdul Wahhab gave the order to death by stoning, and generally carried out by the Wahhabi clones, Taliban.

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        J.Deane
        March 5, 2016 at 3:40

        RE: Punishment for Adultery by Wahhabies and clones. Do they follow Iblis, Satan in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan?

        “According to the scholars Allah grades sins in degrees of severity in this verse, starting from Al-Fawahish to unrighteous oppression, all forgivable. Then follows Shirk, terminating in talking about Allah without knowledge. The scholars term the latter as the ‘ mother of shirk’ since it is what gives birth to shirk (polytheism). “

        Are there Islamic “Scholars” in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia? In Wahhabi Clone Afghanistan? Have they memorized everything. Are theit brains working?

        Crime and punishment: Islamic State vs Saudi Arabia – See more at:

        http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/crime-and-punishment-islamic-state-vs-saudi-arabia-1588245666

        The Islamic State group has released a list of punishments, mirroring those prescribed by authorities in Saudi Arabia

        Disturbing Footage Emerges Of ‘Taliban’ Stoning In Afghanistan

        Stoning to make comeback as punishment for adultery in Afghanistan?

        https://www.rt.com/news/stoning-adultery-afghanistan-punishment-295/

        http://www.rferl.org/content/afghanistan-taliban-stoning-woman-adultery/27341045.html

        http://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/country-search-post.cfm?country=Afghanistan

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      Mr Deane you have killed two Birds with one stone – there is a more appropriate word to represent that capital B, but that word will be edited out – so I use the word bird. Those shaitans, namely the Iblis and the Trojan Horse deserve the description of the more appropriate ‘b’. Well done.

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        JZK Reza for your appreciation.
        We need to man maintain our composure against insults, misinformation and lies hurled at us. Apart from the CT comments policy, as Muslims we need to show our civility and maintain dignity. I quote the verse from An Nahl where Allah says.

        Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. 6:125

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          Correction The Noble Quran Surah AnNahl (16:125)
          Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

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            JZK Maghribi for the correction. However I did mention the Surah by name.

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          J.Deane

          “We need to man maintain our composure against insults, misinformation and lies hurled at us.”

          The Wahhabies and their Clones who do not follow Allah, SWT, and follow Inlis, Satam Devil, mentioned 88 times and 11 times, a Total of 99 times in the Holy Quran are being exposed.

          There were No Wahhabies before Abdul Wahhab came from the Horn of Satan, the Najd, as per Hadith of Najd. All Wahhabies and theit Clones are Iblis Followes incliding ISI, Inlis Saye of Iraq and Sarua, aided and abetted by the Oblis-Wahhabi Saudi State.

          Are there kings in Islam? No. But the Iblis-Wahhabi State has Kings and Princes, 7000 of them.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

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            Amare

            You’re beyond the boundaries of reformation. It seems you’re adamantly yielding to the final words of dead forefather who perhaps on his death bed had baselessly warned those close to him about Wahhabism. You seem to be doing taqlid (blind following) without any accepted norm of inquiry.

            As for IH, I could realistically imagine that Riyadh could have dismissed his papers to be Sri Lanka’s diplomut hence his perpetual vengeance, but you?

            By the way, you never updated your fans whether you actually took that cold water shower.

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              Abu

              Can you please answer Amarasiri’s 5 Questions on Wahhabism?

              Can you please answer, yourself, or get an Erudite Islamic Scholar or Ulema, to answer Amarasiri’s 5 Questions? They are given below.

              Why don’t you read about what Hamid Al-Ghazali Wrote, instead of being misled by Ibn Taymiah, and his copycat Abdul Wahhab, who was also misled by Satan, Iblis.

              The Holy Quran warns about the Devil Sahitan, 88 Times, and about Iblis 11 times, Total 99 times. Why? Wahhabism and ISIS.

              Read the Hadith of Najd. The Satam Iblis has been very cunning. The real truth is that the Wahhabi’s and their clones, are deviating from the Quran, and innovating.

              The truth is that the Wahhabies and their followers are becoming stupider, as shown by the lower GMAT scores of Wahhabi Graduates compared to the rest of the World. Can you please answer the following 5 questions succinctly?

              Amarasiri has a few more simple questions, you may be able to answer, God Willing, In Sha Allah. Islam requires you to answer the question, when requested in the name of Allah, SWT. So, Amarasiri is asking you to answer Amarasiri’s questions blow, closer to the point.

              Q1.

              Amarasiri’s question was: “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach? Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan. Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews and other people.” What is your specific answer? Amarasiri could not find an answer in the Quran or Hadith. May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) guide you to answer Amarasiri’s questions so that all Humankind can know them.

              Q2.

              How did Muslims manage to practice Islam for 1,200 years before Abdul Wahhab preached?

              Q3.

              Why did Abdul Wahhab stone a women to death, when in the Holy Quran, Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He), specifically said, 100 lashes? Is it because the Iblis, Satan wanted it that way, to go against Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) instructions, as he did in Heaven, with Adam?

              Q4.

              Wahhabi sack of Karbala Why? They killed 5,000 Muslims? Is it because Wahhabis are Iblis, Satan followers like ISIS?

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

              Q5. Reason vs. Revelation. Are you still required to follow revelation, when it is clearly shown that it is not correct? Have you heard about Josiah stopping the Sun for 24 hrs, in the Bible? Heard about Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler?

              http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

              Does sun revolve around the earth ?
              Ash-Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen (rahimahullaah)

              Question: Does the sun revolve around the earth?

              He Says as an Answer: It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth. It is not for us to exceed the apparent meanings of these evidences without some evidence stronger than that, which permits us to explain them differently from their apparent meaning. Among the proofs that the sun revolves around the earth in a manner which causes the alternation of the night and day are the following:

              1) Allaah, the Most High says, that when Ibraaheem (`alayhi as-Salaam), disputed with the one who argued with him concerning his Lord:

              “Verily, Allah brings the sun form the east; then bring it you from the west.”

              [Soorah al-Baqarah 2:258]

              GMAT Scores of Saudi Wahhabis (311) and the Wahhabi Clones Afghans (309), compared to Sunni Turks, 550, Shia Iranians, 520 and the Capitalist Americans 532.

              Wahhabi Modayo….Wahhabi Mootals…They cannot tell the difference between REVERENCE AND WORSHIP, but to to Mecca and do Idol Worship by touching and kissing the bricks of the Cubic Building Kabba..

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Ld9-KqZTw

              Touching & Kissing the Kaaba

              Uploaded on Oct 13, 2011
              Dear brothers and sisters

              Touching and kissing the Kaaba and hajar al aswad, the black stone is haraam. This is the greatest shirk you can do during hajj. You must worship only Allah and obey his messenger Muhammad. (pbuh)

              No touching the Kaaba
              No Kissing the black stone.

              Allahu Akbar

              Anyone who touches the Kaaba or hajar al Aswad will be punished by 100 lashes in public after the juma prayer.

              You have been warned. Do not commit this grave sin when you go on Hajj or Umrah. You will by punished seerely by the authorities. There is CCTV everywhere and you will be hunted down or caught at the immigration when you try to leave the country.

              Everybody else has common sense, critical thinking shills and intelligence except those Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies and their Clones. Did the Scores for Afghanistan drop after the Arrival of the Wahhabies?

              http://blog.prep4gmat.com/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-average-gmat-scores/

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                Amare

                CT must be doubly happy to have an entertainer like you, keep it up, buddy.

                Another polite reminder the Alwathra bath please update us on the status.

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                  Abu

                  Can you please answer Amarasiri’s 5 Questions on Wahhabism?

                  Can you please answer, yourself, or get an Erudite Islamic Scholar or Ulema, to answer Amarasiri’s 5 Questions?

                  Can’t you find a SINGLE WAHHABI ALIM who can answer the 5 questions?

                  Do they call themselves Islamic “Scholars”?

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                  Abu

                  Just look up the sky over Colombo. See what you see.

                  Current night sky over Colombo
                  This star chart shows the current skies over Colombo.

                  http://www.astroviewer.com/current-night-sky.php?lon=79.85&lat=6.93&city=Colombo&tz=UTC%2B5.5

                  Check it out with What the Revelations say about the Heavens.

                  Look out for the “Wondering star” Juniper, now called a Planet.

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      Dear J. Deane, Part 1.

      Thank you for your counter arguments and rebuttals. You raise several points, and Amarasiri will take them in part, per issue, so that his reasoning, Akil, becomes clear for each issue we are debating.

      Just to clarify, the Amarasiri hypothesis is that the Wahhabies and their Clones are agents of Iblis. Amarasiri uses,

      a) The Holy Quran,
      b) The Hadith,
      c) History and
      d) The Actions of Wahhabis, their clones and others, as support for the Amarasiri Iblis-Wahhabi Hypothesis, as described in Islamic Theology.

      1. What the erudite and well-informed Izeth Hussein does, as a Muslim who follows Orthodox Islam, who believes in Allah SWT in the Quran, is to show that the actions and the Theology of Wahhabism and its Clones is not compatible with the Holy Quran, Hadith and Islam, as guided by the Quran. Islam means, submission to Allah SWT, not submission to Prophet Mohamed, PBUH, because he is just a messenger of Allah.

      It appears that the Wahhabies and their Clones believe in Submission to Iblis, Satan, and Devil as per claims by Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab. There was Islam BEFORE, the Iblis infected Iblis appeared 700 and 250 years ago.

      Part 1: J. Deane Says:

      “With reference to Islam, an Islamic Scholar is, essentially a Muslim, and one devotes his lifetime in the pursuit of knowledge, living with and serving renowned scholars of this period in his formative years. It is a feature among them that they commit most of the books they read to memory. When they reach an Ss status they obtain blessings to teach and share their knowledge. With this definition Izzeth Hussain falls far, very far short of the qualification to associate himself from Islamic scholarship. In fairness to Izzeth he never claimed to be one. So it naturally follows that whatever he writes on Islam is the rambling of an elderly man which should not be taken seriously. For the student of knowledge it is an absolute waste of time. “

      Part 1: Amarasiri Comment.

      1. “lifetime in the pursuit of knowledge’: So all the Islamic philosophers who were Islamic Scholars as well should qualify according to this definition. This will include, Avicenna, Al-Ghazali, Avorres and others. They were Islamic Scholars as well as Islamic Philosophers, Scientists, Mathematicians and Astronomers. They knew Reason, Akil, as well as Nakil, literal Scripture.

      It is ONLY the so-called Scholars like Ibn Taymiah, Abdul Wahhab, who ONLY knew Nakil, literal scripture that is following Iblis. To make matters worse, they follow DOUBLE STANDARDS, and use earlier Jewish arguments, as to why Allah is punishing <Muslims, because they are not "Good" Muslims, and not Reason.

      2. J. Deane Says: "It is a feature among them that they commit most of the books they read to memory"

      When there are fewer books, and books are hard to get, it made sense. When one can have the books within reach, or can be easily assessed, then the books can be referenced, the brain capacity can be used for analytical skills and critical thinking skills. So, there has been a transition from memorizing the books, understanding the books and being kept within easy reach in a library, and nowadays, almost all the references are available in the internet, being stored on Servers, globally. However, to be able to use these resources, an understanding of the subject, Islam or any other subject, critical thinking and reasoning is needed along with good comprehension.

      This is where the Wahhabis and their Clones fall short. They are lost in Nakil, scripture, and have no Akil, no reasoning. The is data in support of the low critical thinking skills pf the Saudi Wahhabi Graduate who took the GMAT Test, with scores of 311, along with their Afghanistan clones with 309. Non-Wahhabi Sunni Turkey scored 550, Shia Iran 520, Capitalist USA 532.

      Since Izeth Hussein and Amarasiri have access to much more information on reference books and on the internet, the knowledge, reasoning and critical thinking skills of Izeth Hussein and Amarasiri are far superior to those Scholars who have kept their information in memory, with reduced critical thinking skills, as they are distracted.

      Is it because the Wahhabis are deceived and follow the Devil, Satan, and Iblis? Why is that the Average GMAT score of the Saudis, who have the highest percentage of Wahhabis so low? Their brains are filled with Wahhabi Ideology, just like ISIS, Iblis State, and their brains are left with very little critical thinking capacity?

      Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

      http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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        What the erudite and well-informed Izeth Hussein does, as a Muslim who follows Orthodox Islam, who believes in Allah SWT in the Quran, is to show that the actions and the Theology of Wahhabism and its Clones is not compatible with the Holy Quran, Hadith and Islam, as guided by the Quran. Islam means, submission to Allah SWT, not submission to Prophet Mohamed, PBUH, because he is just a messenger of Allah.

        Erudition? Izzeth Hussain? In what field? Fiction perhaps, but no NOT Islam. Please read my response to understand his profound ignorance on
        1. the six canonical texts
        2. Deobandis in Sri Lanka
        3. Stoning to death edict ref Sahih Bukhari 3:50:885

        Since Izeth Hussein and Amarasiri have access to much more information on reference books and on the internet, the knowledge, reasoning and critical thinking skills of Izeth Hussein and Amarasiri are far superior to those Scholars who have kept their information in memory, with reduced critical thinking skills, as they are distracted.

        Amarasiri, a knife is a very useful tool however in the hands of a monkey can end with terrible consequences. I admire Sheiks Ibn Taymiyyah and Muhammad and to my understanding do declare that their writings are in total congruence to the teachings of the noble Prophet of Arabia. The philosophers you quote are not in sync and out of phase with the Quran and Hadith in as much as the Iblis guided Daeesh and Al-Qaeeda, and the Sufiyya folk. But to report on this analysis will be counterproductive as it will end in a big match scenario. So be unto you your belief and to me mine.
        The rest of your queries and observations have been satisfactorily elucidated however as Thomas Chalkley says

        ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.

        J.Deane

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          J.Deane

          Thanks for the reply to Part 1 from Amarasiri.

          “Erudition? Izzeth Hussain? In what field? Fiction perhaps, but no NOT Islam.”

          A very good question indeed. So, at least when they are not, they have access to the information and materials, to refer to and analyze, because their brains are not filled with materials that should be on a bookshelf or on a server in a Data Center, and available for analysis and critical thinking.

          Can you please answer, yourself, or get an Erudite Islamic Scholar or Ulema, to answer Amarasiri’s 5 Questions? They are given below.

          Why don’t you read about what Hamid Al-Ghazali Wrote, instead of being misled by Ibn Taymiah, and his copycat Abdul Wahhab, who was also misled by Satan, Iblis. The Holy Quran warns about the Devil Sahitan, 88 Times, and about Iblis 11 times.

          Why? Wahhabism and ISIS.

          Read the Hadith of Najd. The Satam Iblis has been very cumming.

          The real truth is that the Wahhabi’s and their clones, are deviating from the Quran, and innovating. The truth is that the Wahhabies and their followers are becoming stupider, as shown by the lower GMAT scores of Wahhabi Graduates compared to the rest of the World.

          Can you please answer the following 5 questions succinctly? Amarasiri has a few more simple questions, you may be able to answer, God Willing, In Sha Allah. Islam requires you to answer the question, when requested in the name of Allah, SWT. So, Amarasiri is asking you to answer Amarasiri’s questions blow, closer to the point.

          Q1. Amarasiri’s question was:

          “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach? Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan. Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews and other people.”

          What is your specific answer? Amarasiri could not find an answer in the Quran or Hadith. May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) guide you to answer Amarasiri’s questions so that all Humankind can know them.

          Q2.

          How did Muslims manage to practice Islam for 1,200 years before Abdul Wahhab preached?

          Q3.

          Why did Abdul Wahhab stone a women to death, when in the Holy Quran, Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He), specifically said, 100 lashes? Is it because the Iblis, Satan wanted it that way, to go against Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) instructions, as he did in Heaven, with Adam?

          Q4.

          Wahhabi sack of Karbala Why? They killed 5,000 Muslims? Is it because Wahhabis are Iblis, Satan followers like ISIS?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

          Q5. Reason vs. Revelation.

          Are you still required to follow revelation, when it is clearly shown that it is not correct? Have you heard about Josiah stopping the Sun for 24 hrs, in the Bible? Heard about Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler?

          Everybody else has common sense, critical thinking shills and intelligence except those Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies and their Clones. Did the Scores for Afghanistan drop after the Arrival of the Wahhabies?

          http://blog.prep4gmat.com/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-average-gmat-scores/

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          J.Deane

          Do you still Follow the Wahhabi Salafi Cult? Here is one who left that cult, Shaykh Yasir Qadhi. He was with the Wahhabi cult for 20 years.

          Which Madhhab should you follow? – Hanafi, Shafi’i, Maliki, Hanbali – Yasir Qadhi | 4th January 2013

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnF5WbCn40

          Published on Jan 10, 2013

          A dilemma that almost every practising Muslim faces is which school of thought (or Madhhab) should one follow? – Hanafi, Shafi’i, Maliki, Hanbali, Ahl al-Hadith etc.

          How did these differences in legal schools arise and will Allah punish someone for following a particular Madhhab?

          Shaykh Yasir Qadhi answers on following the different Maḏāhib.

          Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi’i, Imam Malik, Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal… or even Ahl al-Hadith, Salafi?

          Can you please answer, yourself, or get an Erudite Islamic Scholar or Ulema, to answer Amarasiri’s 5 Questions? They were given earlier.

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            Amare

            What’s your GMAT score? You are often repeating stupid questions exposing your own low GMAT score?

            Are u honestly retarded Amare?

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              Abu

              “What’s your GMAT score? You are often repeating stupid questions exposing your own low GMAT score?”

              Abu, Amarasiri does want to insult all the Wahhabi “Muslims” who have been misled by the Iblis Wahhabism, such as in Saudi Arabia, and ending up with low GMAT scores, low critical thinking skills and low intelligence. The goal is to rescue the Muslims from the Iblis Satan following Wahhabism, Salafism and their Clones.

              Since you answered Amarasiri’s question of whether the World was Created, Uncreated or Eternal in a round about way from the answer given by Imam Ahmed and the Caliph, Amarasiri will give you a simple Algebraic question to answer, except for the lowest of the low Wahhabies, should be able to figure out.

              Amares GM<AT Score =

              (Number of Times Circumambulate for Haj or Umra)x100 + Number of Times Shaitan, Devil, Jinn is mentioned in the Holy Quran+ Number of Times Iblis, D is mentioned in the Holy Quran + 1.

              Do the Algebra (from Arabic "al-jabr" meaning "reunion of broken parts"). You will get your answer.

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          J.Deane Akil, Reason Vs. Nakil, Revelation, Literal Interpretation

          1. “The rest of your queries and observations have been satisfactorily elucidated”

          No, not yet. Still no answers to the 5 Questions.

          2. ” however as Thomas Chalkley says

          ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.”

          Very True. Let’s look at the Sun going around the Earth. What the Bible Says and the Quran Says, Nakil, and compare that with the known observations, arrived at by Akil, by Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler , Newton and Foucault.

          A good example is does the Sun revolves around the Earth?

          Ask-Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen (rahimahullaah)

          http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

          Question: Does the sun revolve around the earth?

          Answer: It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth. It is not for us to exceed the apparent meanings of these evidences without some evidence stronger than that, which permits us to explain them differently from their apparent meaning. Among the proofs that the sun revolves around the earth in a manner which causes the alternation of the night and day are the following:

          1) Allah, the Most High says, that when Ibrahim (`alayhi as-Salaam), disputed with the one who argued with him concerning his Lord:

          “Verily, Allah brings the sun form the east; then bring it you from the west.” [Surah al-Baqarah 2:258]

          2) He also tells us that Ibraaheem (`alayhi as-Salaam) said:

          “When he saw the sun rising up, he said: ‘This is my lord. This is greater.’ But when it set, he said: ‘O my people! I am indeed free from all that you join as partners (in worship with Allaah).”

          [Soorah al-An`aam 6:78]

          So He described the settings as an attribute of the sun and not that the earth set upon it, for if it was the earth which revolved, He would have said: but when (the earth) set upon it.

          3) Allaah the Most High says:

          “And you might have seen, the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left.”

          [Soorah al-Kahf 18:17]

          He has described the declining and turning away as descriptions of the sun, and that is a proof that the movement was from the sun. If it was a description of the earth, He would have said: Their Cave declined from it. Likewise, describing the sun as rising and setting proves that it is the sun which revolves, even though the indication of the may be less than the indication in His Words: “declining” and “turning away from them.”

          4) Allaah, the Most High says:

          “And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun, and the moon, each in an orbit floating.”

          [Soorah al-Anbiyaaa’ 21:33]

          Ibn `Abbaas (radhiallaahu `anhu) said: “They revolve in an orbit, like the turning of a mill. This was widely reported from him.

          5) Allaah, the Most High says:

          “He brings the night as a cover over the day, seeking it rapidly.”

          [Soorah al-Ara’af 7:54]

          He described the night as seeking the day, and the seeker rushes and overtakes, and it is well known that the night and the day follow the sun.

          6) Allaah, the Most High says:

          “He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.”

          [Soorah az-Zumar 39:5]

          and His Words:

          “He makes the night to go in the day” that is, it turns around it, as a turban is wrapped around, which proves the revolving of the night and the day around the earth. If it were the earth which revolved around them, He would have said: He causes the earth to revolve around the night and day.

          And in His words:

          “the sun and the moon, each running (on a fixed course).” It is clear from what precedes it that it is a proof that the sun and the moon move in a perceptible orbit, because subjecting something which moves to its movement is more apparent than subjecting something stationary which does not move.

          7) Allaah, the Most High say:

          “By the sun and its brightness. By the moon as it follows it (the sun).”

          [Soorah ash-Shams 91:1-2]

          And the meaning of: “follows it” is that ‘it comes after it’ and this is a proof of their moving and revolving around the earth, for if it were the earth which revolved around them, the moon would not be following the sun; rather it would sometimes be following it and sometimes it would be followed by it, because the sun is higher than it. And deduction from this verse requires study and reflection.

          8) Allaah, the Most High say:

          “And the sun runs o*n its fixed course for a term {appointed}. That is the Decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. And the moon, We have measured for it mansions {to traverse} till it returns like the old dried date stalk. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.”

          [Soorah Ya-Seen 36:38-40]

          So, attributing the movement to the sun and describing it as a Decree from the Almighty, Most Wise proves that it is a real movement with a far-reaching Decree, since the consequence of it is the alternation of the night and day and the seasons.

          The measure of the moon’s mansions (i.e., stations) is a proof that it traverses them, for if it was the earth which revolves , the measuring of the mansions would be for the earth’s movement around the moon and not for the moon’s movement around it.

          And negating the sun’s ability to overtake the moon, and the night’s ability to outstrip the day are evidence of the rushing movement on the part of the sun and the moon, and the night and the day.

          9) The Prophet (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) said to Aboo Tharr (radhiallaahu `anhu), when the sun had just set: “Do you know where it goes?” He said, “Allaah and His Messenger knows best.” He (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) said: “Verily, it goes (i.e., travels) and it prostrates beneath the Throne and seeks permission to rise, and permission is granted to it. Then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but will not be permitted, but it will be ordered: Return from whence you came, and so it will rise in the West.”

          [Reported by al-Bukhaaree in the Book of the Beginning of Creation, in the Chapter: Description of the Sun and the Moon (#3199), and by Muslim in the Book of Faith, in the Chapter: Explanation of the Time when Faith will not be accepted (#159)].

          So and it is extremely clear from his words: Return from whence you came that it revolves around the earth and through its revolving the sunrise and sunset occur.

          10) It is clear from the many ahaadeeth which attribute rising, setting, and declining from its zenith to the sun, that it is the sun which does so and so and the earth.

          >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>

          This is the answer of Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (rahimullah), but i have learnd in school that the earth revolve around the sun and all scientist say that, is this mistake of shaykh Uthaymeen ?

          Read Joshua, 10:13, Stopping the Sun, in the Old Testament as well.

          King James Bible And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

          Do you go by Akil, Reason or by Nakil, Revelation, Literal Interpretation, as the Wahhabies and their clones do even when the evidence says Nakil, Revelation, Literal Interpretation is incorrect?

          ” however as Thomas Chalkley says

          ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.”

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      J.Deane
      RE: March 5, 2016 at 3:19 pm

      Dear J. Deane, Part 2. Ad Hominem Attacks –An Indication of Emptiness.

      Part 2: Reason Vs. Revelation

      J. Deane says:

      “I feel quite justified in my conclusion that these are the ramblings of a senile person who is confused and is not sure himself of what he writes.”

      “IH should first clear his mind. All these questions can be resolved if IH can decide on the validity of Islam as preached by the Prophet Muhammad: whether it is a tenable religion or not. If he accepts it to be a tenable religion, then he should study the works of Sheik Muhammad to discover any variance or inconsistency in them from that of the preaching of the noble Prophet. This will be a more scholastic approach than to quote known malicious critics who have been refuted many times over. He will be able to get a clearer picture first hand and not depend on what he says that she says.”

      Amarasiri does not like Ad Hominem attacks. Amarasiri wants you to stick to the subject or issue at hand, and counter the points, just the way normally scientists do. Ad Hominem Attacks are an Indication of emptiness.

      “IH says…. When it suits their purposes they read Koranic texts literally, ignoring the contexts that give full meaning to those texts. They are capable of perverse misreading of texts”’

      We are talking about Reason, Akil, and the Wahhabis are talking about Nakil, twisted to suit their Iblisic Viewpoints. That is the core problem. Why?

      Is it because the Wahhabis and their clones lack the intelligence and critical thinking skills and be able to differentiate between simple meanings and interpretations? Examples

      1. Reverence Vs. Worship.
      2. Sun going around the Earth vs. The Earth spins and moves around the Sun?

      So, according to the Wahhabi Akil, literal interpretation, the Sun goes around the Earth.

      From On-line Muslim Community

      http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

      Does sun revolve around the earth ?
      Ash-Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen (rahimahullaah)

      Question: Does the sun revolve around the earth?

      Answer: It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth. It is not for us to exceed the apparent meanings of these evidences without some evidence stronger than that, which permits us to explain them differently from their apparent meaning. Among the proofs that the sun revolves around the earth in a manner which causes the alternation of the night and day are the following:

      1) Allaah, the Most High says, that when Ibraaheem (`alayhi as-Salaam), disputed with the one who argued with him concerning his Lord:

      “Verily, Allah brings the sun form the east; then bring it you from the west.”

      [Soorah al-Baqarah 2:258]

      2) He also tells us that Ibraaheem (`alayhi as-Salaam) said:

      “When he saw the sun rising up, he said: ‘This is my lord. This is greater.’ But when it set, he said: ‘O my people! I am indeed free from all that you join as partners (in worship with Allaah).”

      [Soorah al-An`aam 6:78]

      So He described the settings as an attribute of the sun and not that the earth set upon it, for if it was the earth which revolved, He would have said: but when (the earth) set upon it.

      3) Allaah the Most High says:

      “And you might have seen, the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left.”

      [Soorah al-Kahf 18:17]

      He has described the declining and turning away as descriptions of the sun, and that is a proof that the movement was from the sun. If it was a description of the earth, He would have said: Their Cave declined from it. Likewise, describing the sun as rising and setting proves that it is the sun which revolves, even though the indication of the may be less than the indication in His Words: “declining” and “turning away from them.”
      4) Allaah, the Most High says:

      “And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun, and the moon, each in an orbit floating.”

      [Soorah al-Anbiyaaa’ 21:33]

      Ibn `Abbaas (radhiallaahu `anhu) said: “They revolve in an orbit, like the turning of a mill. This was widely reported from him.

      5) Allaah, the Most High says:

      “He brings the night as a cover over the day, seeking it rapidly.”

      [Soorah al-Ara’af 7:54]

      He described the night as seeking the day, and the seeker rushes and overtakes, and it is well known that the night and the day follow the sun.

      6) Allaah, the Most High says:

      “He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.”

      [Soorah az-Zumar 39:5]

      And in the Old Testament, Prophet Joshua Says: Joshua 10:13

      King James Bible
      And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

      Akil Vs. Nakil.
      Reason Vs. Revelation
      Philosophers vs. Ulema
      Science Vs. Belief, Faith
      (Hello Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Foucault)

      and then Reverence Vs. Worship.

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      J.Deane
      March 5, 2016 at 3:19 pm

      Dear J. Deane, Part 3. Ad Hominem Attacks on Amarasiri –An Indication of Emptiness on your Part.

      Please stick to the issues being debated.

      J. Deane Says:

      1.) “With regard to the various contributors and their contribution on this thread I wish to single out Amarasiri who’s seems to be holding a brief for IH and enjoys a somewhat of a platonic relationship with him, never criticizing him though their concepts are not a hundred percent on the same wave length. “

      2.) “Amarasiri, the Wikipedia student, is the classic case of the proverbial PARANGIA Kotte giya. To explain ( or really to confuse) a simple argument he brings in Quantum physics, Regression Plots, GMAT scores and L&Vs etc. etc. etc. and a whole heap of crap.”

      3.) “Amarasiri believes in the following:

      1. That Islam is a false religion
      2. That Islam preaches violence
      3. The Quran contains many inconsistencies that Prophet Muhammad was a good person but he preached falsehood?

      Interesting Comments on Amarasiri, but you need better comprehension skills. Amarasiri will take the above 3 points from you one by one.

      1) Izeth Hussein is using the Quran First that sits in Judgement over Hadith, and then the Hadith as per Islamic Theology. Wahhabism goes against the Quran, and gives its own Abdul Wahhabi Iblis interpretations. So, there is NO Need to criticize Izeth Hussein’s Interpretations, as he provides, references, reason and citations.

      Besides, IH is an erudite Scholar with materials accessible to him. Amarsiri does not criticize Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Foucault, because they have correctly interpreted data in front of them, whereas the Catholic Church was wrong, just like the Wahhabis ad their clones are today.

      2) Amarasiri is Wikipedia Student… Here again you are missing the point.

      Wikipedia provides a summary and a reference point for further perusal and research. Amarasiri cites them, so that those who have the intellect and interest can pursue them. Your knowledge of “Parangia Kotte Giya Wage”, How the Portuguese went to Kotte, given the Wrong Directions, is completely incorrect, because, Amarasir, always try to give the relevant reference, citation or link for further research, and not mislead.

      3) “ Amarasiri believes in the following:

      1. “That Islam is a false religion “

      Amarasiri never made such a claim. Amarasiri said that Islam is a Belief system, like the other belief systems, and questioned certain beliefs and asked for evidence. Questioning and asking for data and support does not mean that the questioner does believe or does not believe that. The Questioner is simply asking for support one way or another.

      2. “That Islam preaches violence “ Amarasiri claim is that Wahhabism and its Clones such as ISIS preach violence because they follow Iblis, Satan, Devil, and cited the Violence carried out by the Wahhabis and their clones.

      3. .” The Quran contains many inconsistencies that Prophet Muhammad was a good person but he preached falsehood?”

      Amarasiri has pointed out the many inconsistencies in the Quran. Since the Quran was put together within 20 years after the death of Prophet Mohamed, not during the lifetime of Prophet Mohamed, and he did not have an opportunity to correct and edit the inconsistencies, a question arises as to the errors. This is therefore an open question that must be resolved by Reason, Akil, not Revelation, Nakil.

      A good example is does the Sun revolves around the Earth?

      Ask-Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen (rahimahullaah)

      http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

      Question: Does the sun revolve around the earth?

      Answer: It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth. It is not for us to exceed the apparent meanings of these evidences without some evidence stronger than that, which permits us to explain them differently from their apparent meaning. Among the proofs that the sun revolves around the earth in a manner which causes the alternation of the night and day are the following:

      1) Allah, the Most High says, that when Ibrahim (`alayhi as-Salaam), disputed with the one who argued with him concerning his Lord:

      “Verily, Allah brings the sun form the east; then bring it you from the west.”

      [Surah al-Baqarah 2:258]

      Read Joshua, 10:13, Stopping the Sun, in the Old Testament as well.

      King James Bible

      And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

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      RE: Wahhabism is Power Worship

      J.Deane
      March 5, 2016 at 3:19 pm

      Dear J. Deane, Part 4. Wahhabism- A Satanic Inspired Cult

      Please stick to the Issues being debated.

      J. Deane Says:

      1. “The case of Sheiks Ibn Tayyimah and Muhammad are no different to those of the pious Imams. Both brought about a revival of the true Islam in its pristine form. They too had their enemies, among them the so-called Scholar from Al-Azhar. None of their critics have faulted the books authored by these two great Scholars. All the criticism is based on hearsay, falsehood and misinterpretation to a mischievous agenda.”

      Abdul Wahhab is the copycat of Ibn Taymiah. Ibn Taymiah primary argument was that the Mongols attacked and Baghdad was destroyed because, they were not Good Muslims. The same argument was put forward by the Jews in the Old Testament. Iblis, Satan picked upon it and misled Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab.

      2. “We refute the claims of those who accuse us of being Wahhabis by quoting the words of Shaykh Mullah ‘Imraan who was a Shi’i but Allaah guided him to the Sunnah. He said:

      “If the follower of Ahmad [the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)] is a Wahhaabi, then I affirm that I am a Wahhaabi. I reject the association of any other with Allaah, for I have no Lord except the Unique, the Bestower (al-Wahhaab). Those who were called by the Prophet accused him of being a sorcerer and a liar.” (See: Manhaaj al-Firqat al-Naajiyah by Shaykh Muhammad Jameel Zayno, p. 142-143”.

      Satan, Iblis is very cunning. Allah SWT warns about Satan, Shaitan, and Devil 88 times in the Holy Quran. The Holy Quran also warns 11 times about Iblis. So, 88/11 =8 times more about Shaitan than Iblis. Shaitan and Iblis, 88+11 = 99 times, warned in the Quran. Furthermore, there are 99 Names for Allah, SWT. Is this more than a coincidence?

      WORD REPETITIONS IN THE QUR’AN

      Apart from the miraculous characteristics of the Qur’an which we have looked into so far, it also contains what we can term “mathematical miracles.” There are many examples of this fascinating Qur’anic aspect. One example of this is the number of repetitions of certain words in the Qur’an. Some related words are surprisingly repeated the same number of times. Below is a list of such words and the number of repetitions in the Qur’an.

      http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_01.html

      The word “Satan” (shaitan) is used in the Qur’an 88 times, as is the word “angels” (malaika).

      Iblis is 11 Times.

      Since Satan, and Najd are given in the Hadith of Najd, one may use reason to link, Satan, Najd and Abdul Wahab, the Follower of Ibn Taymiah as a continuation of the Iblis Satanic Project.

      http://www.answering-christianity.com/fakir60/occurence_of_some_words_in_the_q.htm

      Remember, Satan, Iblis Believes in Towhid. He is using convoluted Towhid argument to mislead the Wahhabis and their Followers to Hell Fire on the Day of Judgment, claiming that Allah SWT is Egocentric, when in fact it was Iblis, Satan’s Ego that got him thrown out of Heaven as per Islamic Theology, and Iblis was given respite until the Day of Judgement.

      So, now the Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabis and their clones go around killing Muslims who revered others for their contribution to Islam and to humanity, claiming Worshipping the Dead, and destroying their places of Worship. A Clever Trick by Satan, to mislead the Muslims. Satan will only get Muslims of lower intelligence, not those with common sense.

      They use Tawhid as the bait. However, All the Muslims know what Tawhid is. They know Surah 1, Surah 112, as well. The Ibis following Abdul Wahhab was not needed for that. There were Muslims BEFORE Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab.

      SURAH AL-IKHLAS (112)
      (The Unity)

      Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem

      1. Qul huwal laahu ahad
      2. Allah hus-samad
      3. Lam yalid wa lam yoolad
      4. Wa lam yakul-lahu kufuwan ahad

      Abdullah Yusuf Ali Translation

      1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
      2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
      3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
      4. And there is none like unto Him.

      J.Deane, can you please answer Amarasiri’s 5 Questions from Earlier posts? Ask any Ulema or Islamic Scholar who has memorized stuff or not. These are open book questions.

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      J.Deane
      March 5, 2016 at 3:19

      You Say: Distraction and Inefficient Use of Mind and Time.

      “A Scholar is a learned or erudite person, especially one who has profound knowledge of a particular subject. With reference to Islam, an Islamic Scholar is, essentially a Muslim, and one devotes his lifetime in the pursuit of knowledge, living with and serving renown scholars of this period in his formative years. It is a feature among them that they commit most of the books they read to memory.”

      No radical teachings at madrasas, says Moulavi.

      Amarasiri Comment: Will spending 50% of their available study time on Islamic Studies, help the Students to have critical thinking skills and get sufficient knowledge in other subjects? When they graduate and take, for example, the GMAT exam, their their scores will be as low of those of the Wahhabi Saudi Arabian Graduates? Are the Muslims educating a generation of Students who lack the skills necessary of the 21st century. Why if one student spends 45 minutes per day along with the other subjects not sufficient? Because the students need the time to memorize? Can’t they give the students a flash drive with 64 GB of storage, and that is more than all the Scholars put together.

      No radical teachings at madrasas, says Moulavi.

      With the combining of local syllabus to the Islamic studies offered at Madrasas or Arabic colleges in the Trincomalee district, the schools are gaining popularity with high competition to get a place, a senior Islamic religious leader said.

      “There were around 200 applications to select students for a class of 40. The students are being taught the school syllabus and Islamic studies at the same time,” Moulavi Mohammed Yusuf Hidayathullah, a school principal, told the Sunday Times.

      At least twenty madrasas schools are located in the districts. They conduct classes from grade nine to the GCE Ordinary Level (OL) and some prepares students for the Advanced Level (AL) examinations too. In the morning, Islamic studies are conducted while in the evening other subjects are taught.

      Denying that these schools are teaching Islamic fundamentalism or radicalised thoughts, he said the main goal of these schools was to create a responsible and understanding community and put them on the correct path from a young age.

      Most of the madrasas are residential, giving admissions to students from across the country. Students are given accommodation and three meals. Every student has to pay a fee ranging from Rs. 800 to Rs. 5,000.

      Meanwhile, Eastern Province Education Ministry Secretary Asanka Abeyawardana said most of the madrasa schools had been registered as Sunday schools.

      “They are allowed to prepare students for the G.C.E examinations after they register with the Examinations Department. As a provincial ministry, we have no direct jurisdiction on them,” he said.

      http://www.sundaytimes.lk/160306/news/no-radical-teachings-at-madrasas-says-moulavi-185435.html

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      J.Deane – your drivel is prolix.Can’t you be brief? Can’t waste much time on you. 1)I never claimed to be a scholar on Islam or on anything else. But that should not preclude my discussing matters Islamic. The Koranic revelation was given to an illiterate Arab, not to scholars, and it was meant for all humanity not just for scholars.No scholarship is required to discuss the question whether or not there is nonsense at the core of Wahhabism.I refer to the distinction between veneration and worship. Reason and commonsense suffice for that. 2) you accuse me of being ignorant about the fact that the canonical books include weak hadiths. I wrote about all that in a seminar paper presented in 2000 and more recently also. Check your facts before insulting. 3) I was mistaken in thinking that Wahhab would not have approved of the 1801 Kerbela massacre. I was bending over backward in trying to be fair-minded to Wahhab. I found thereafter that Wahhab was certainly the originator of Wahhabi terrorism. 4) Re – stoning to death for adultery. Are you really unable to understand that a hadith cannot be allowed to override a Koranic provision? – IH

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        J.Deane – your drivel is prolix.Can’t you be brief?
        Sorry you got the wrong address! You should address this same question to your friend and mentor, nay your proxy, Amarasiri.

        I never claimed to be a scholar on Islam or on anything else.
        I know and have emphatically stated so.

        But that should not preclude my discussing matters Islamic.
        No, no, I didn’t say so. But shouldn’t your discussion be at your level of understanding.

        The Koranic revelation was given to an illiterate Arab, not to scholars, and it was meant for all humanity not just for scholars.

        Agreed! But that illiterate Arab was someone exceptionally special. One chosen by Allah. Not any run of the mill person. Got it?

        No scholarship is required to discuss the question whether or not there is nonsense at the core of Wahhabism.I refer to the distinction between veneration and worship. Reason and commonsense suffice for that.

        Agreed! The cobbler, the barber and the bar tender have all very interested audiences, however they utter gibberish, sometimes, just to while away time! True, reason and commonsense should be sufficient!

        you accuse me of being ignorant about the fact that the canonical books include weak hadiths. I wrote about all that in a seminar paper presented in 2000 and more recently also. Check your facts before insulting.

        Well this was a forum you could have repeated same. However to score a point you judiciously avoided mentioning it. We call this Intellectual DISHONESTY.

        I was mistaken in thinking that Wahhab would not have approved of the 1801 Kerbela massacre. I was bending over backward in trying to be fair-minded to Wahhab. I found thereafter that Wahhab was certainly the originator of Wahhabi terrorism.

        What can I say except that we are used to your mendacity! Allah willing he will forgive you.

        Re – stoning to death for adultery. Are you really unable to understand that a hadith cannot be allowed to override a Koranic provision?

        I didn’t know that you were a Quranist? Are you really suggesting that the Noble Prophet threw caution to the winds and gave a ruling to stone an adulteress to her death? The Quran states

        As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.5:38

        Tell me wise guy, how would this commandment be implemented without a knowledge of the authentic Hadith? To know the answer to this, you require scholarship. Is “Are you really unable to understand that a hadith cannot be allowed to override a Koranic provision?” your answer to this question?

        I hope I have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Izzeth Hussain, the eminent English Scholar, is preeminently disqualified to write on Islam from an Islamic scholastic viewpoint. His thoughts and opinions, however should only be at the level of the cobbler, the barber or the bar tender. Notwithstanding this, suffice it to say that he is at liberty to write at his level about his favorite albatross ” Wahabism”.

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          J. Deane – I cant waste my time on your endless drivel and insults. I have been interested in promoting serious dialogue. You are incapable of it. Anyway, I can see your plight. You are paid to defend the indefensible. Answer two questions. Who are your foreign pay-masters. How much do they pay you? – IH

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            Answer two questions. Who are your foreign pay-masters. How much do they pay you? – IH
            These are puerile, churlish questions by man who has been caught with his pants down, figuratively. His mendacity and intellectual dishonesty has been exposed and one can understand his distraught feelings. IH did you not write that an Indian diplomat referred to you as one of the best diplomats in the world? I am not sure that your hearing was good at that time? Perhaps he said that you were the best diplomutt? Diplomats do not lose their sangfroid in a hurry. Diplomutts do. As for the rapport you say you enjoy with the rest of the Muslim fraternity, were you not summarily relieved of your post at Seilan Muslim? Why?

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              J.Deane

              Izeth Hussein asked you two questions.

              “Answer two questions. Who are your foreign pay-masters. How much do they pay you? – IH”

              You could have said:

              1. I cannot divulge my paymasters, as it is confidential.

              2. I cannot divulge how much my paymasters pay, as it is confidential.

              Or, You could have said that I am a committed Wahabi-Salafi and I am not paid.

              So, we still do not know.

              Amrasiri still has not got the answers to his 5 questions either.

              Is this Wahhabism-Salafism, when asked Koheda Yanne, Malle Pol? Where are you going, coconuts in the sack.

              Please enjoy the Colombo Night-Dawn Sky. Right Now 5:14 am, Colombo time, you should be able to see the Wondering “Stars” Saturn, Mara and Jupiter.

              http://www.astroviewer.com/current-night-sky.php?lon=79.85&lat=6.93&city=Colombo&tz=UTC%2B5.5

              Reason Vs. Revelation

              Reverence Vs. Worship

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                Izeth Hussein asked you two questions. “Answer two questions. Who are your foreign pay-masters. How much do they pay you? – IH”.
                You could have said: ….

                Are you trying to pull IH’s pants up after he was exposed? I think he is old enough, albeit a little immature( judging by his outbursts), to defend himself.

                Amarasiri still has not got the answers to his 5 questions either.

                Why? If you had read my previous responses you could have figured out the answers but since you insist on being spoon fed I will make it easy as possible. However I warn you that you might find it difficult to imbibe for reasons I will state below
                1. Sheik Muhammad did not teach anything outside the Quran . This shows your unwarranted prejudice against one of the greatest teachers of Islam.
                2. Since there was nothing different in Sheik Muhammad’s teachings from the teachings of pristine Islam this is a stupid question
                3. Sheik Muhammad did not deviate from the teachings of the Noble prophet hence his teaching was 100 per cent in line, in phase, fully in sync with pristine Islam
                4. Sacking of Kerbala has been answered by your platonic partner Izzeth.
                5. Revelation is from Allah and precedes reason. Refer to Abdul Hamid Ghazzali’s writings for further clarification

                Now I expect you to reject my answers as you are the other face of IBLIS, SHAITAN etc. Acting your best role of a Trojan horse, you quote the Quran as one who believes, to project a pseudo-Scholar image. However knowledgeable Muslims can see clearly through your mask. I will now quote from the Quran the reason for your blindness to see reason.

                And We have put a barrier before them, and a barrier behind them, and We have covered them up, so that they cannot see.36:09
                It is the same to them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.36:10
                Their likeness is as the likeness of one who kindled a fire; then, when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness. (So) they could not see.2:17
                They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).2:18

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                  J. Deane,
                  March 8, 2016 at 9:31

                  Reply:

                  Would you now consider giving up Iblis infected Wahhabism? You need to be saved from Iblis, Satan, who makes it difficult for you to differentiate Reverence from Worship, and Reason from Revelation.

                  Thank you for replying to Amarasiri’s 5 Questions.

                  Now, if they have validity and support, Amarasiri will accept it. (See Amarasiris acceptance of burial, put forward by Jehan, being superior, compared to cremation.) However with , no validity and no support with reason, Amarasiri will not accept it, and will rebut. There is no need to accept propositions and beliefs without support, just because they were revelations, in the Bible or the Quran, or put out by some Sheikh, against overwhelming evidence by reason and data against it.

                  Q1. Amarasiri’s question was:

                  “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach? Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan. Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews and other people.”

                  A1. By J Dean: “1. Sheik Muhammad did not teach anything outside the Quran. This shows your unwarranted prejudice against one of the greatest teachers of Islam. “

                  A1. Amarasiri Rebuttal: Iblis Following Abdul Wahhabs actions speak volumes. The Saudi Wahhabis are trying to Whitewash using Agents like Deane.

                  Finally, Hempher joined Abdul Wahhab in Najd, who was imparted with the obligations of declaring all Muslims, that is, all who did not follow him, as disbelievers, and announce that it is permitted to kill them, to seize their property, to violate their chastity, and to enslave them and sell them at slave markets. He was to discourage Muslims from obeying the Sultan in Istanbul, and provoke revolt against him. He is to allege that all sacred sites and relics are idols, and that respect of them is tantamount of polytheistic and apostasy, and that they ought to be demolished. He is to do his best to produce occasions for insulting the Prophet Muhammad, his Khalifas, and all prominent scholars of Madhhabs, differing schools of legal interpretation. Finally, he was to do his utmost to encourage insurrections, oppressions and anarchy in Muslim countries.

                  http://www.conspiracyschool.com/wahhabis

                  Amarasiri Q2. How did Muslims manage to practice Islam for 1,200 years before Abdul Wahhab preached?

                  A2. By J. Dean : “Since there was nothing different in Sheik Muhammad’s teachings from the teachings of pristine Islam this is a stupid question .”

                  A2. Amarasiri Rebuttal: Iblis Following Abdul Wahhabs actions speak volumes. The Saudi Wahhabis are trying to Whitewash using Agents like Deane.

                  Finally, Hempher joined Abdul Wahhab in Najd, who was imparted with the obligations of declaring all Muslims, that is, all who did not follow him, as disbelievers, and announce that it is permitted to kill them, to seize their property, to violate their chastity, and to enslave them and sell them at slave markets. He was to discourage Muslims from obeying the Sultan in Istanbul, and provoke revolt against him. He is to allege that all sacred sites and relics are idols, and that respect of them is tantamount of polytheistic and apostasy, and that they ought to be demolished. He is to do his best to produce occasions for insulting the Prophet Muhammad, his Khalifas, and all prominent scholars of Madhhabs, differing schools of legal interpretation. Finally, he was to do his utmost to encourage insurrections, oppressions and anarchy in Muslim countries.

                  http://www.conspiracyschool.com/wahhabis

                  Amarasiri Q3. Why did Abdul Wahhab stone a women to death, when in the Holy Quran, Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He), specifically said, 100 lashes? Is it because the Iblis, Satan wanted it that way, to go against Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) instructions, as he did in Heaven, with Adam?

                  A3. By J. Deane: “Sheik Muhammad did not deviate from the teachings of the Noble prophet hence his teaching was 100 per cent in line, in phase, fully in sync with pristine Islam “

                  A3. Amarasiri Rebuttal: Muhammed Abdul Wahab killed a adulterous women mercilessly by large heavy boulder

                  After returning to Najd from his trips, Ibn Abdul-Wahhab began to preach his wild ideas in Uyayna. However, because of his rigid preaching, he was thrown out of his birthplace. He then went to preach in nearby Dir’iyyah where his dear friend Hempher and other undercover British spies joined him. Ibn Abdul-Wahhab ordered women to shave off their heads in order not to “seduce” men with their hair. 3 He also mercilessly killed a local adulteress in a crowded public square by brutally smashing her head with a large heavy boulder. 4 While Islamic punishment for adultery is stoning, but only with small stones, Muslim scholars disagree as to whether the punishment was actually intended to kill.

                  http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-361816.html

                  Amarasiri Q4. Wahhabi sack of Karbala Why? They killed 5,000 Muslims? Is it because Wahhabis are Iblis, Satan followers like ISIS?

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

                  A4. By J Deane: “Sacking of Kerbala has been answered by your platonic partner Izzeth.”

                  A4. Amarasiri Rebuttal. No Rebuttal. Wahhab was really the Agent of Iblis, and wanted to kill Muslims.

                  Izeth Hussein Says: “I was mistaken in thinking that Wahhab would not have approved of the 1801 Kerbela massacre. I was bending over backward in trying to be fair-minded to Wahhab. I found thereafter that Wahhab was certainly the originator of Wahhabi terrorism.”

                  Amarasiri Q5. Reason vs. Revelation. Are you still required to follow revelation, when it is clearly shown that it is not correct? Have you heard about Josiah stopping the Sun for 24 hrs, in the Bible? Heard about Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler? Everybody else has common sense, critical thinking shills and intelligence except those Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies and their Clones. Did the Scores for Afghanistan drop after the Arrival of the Wahhabies?

                  A 5.By J Deane: “ Revelation is from Allah and precedes reason. Refer to Abdul Hamid Ghazzali’s writings for further clarification “

                  A5. Amarasiri Rebuttal. Yes, Abdul Hamid Al Ghazali said, use reason, but when in conflict with Revelation, then Revelation is correct. However, Ghazali was shown to be incorrect in many areas including Astronomy, Earths Geology, Shape, Life on Earth etc. and therefore Ghazali was incorrect.

                  http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

                  [Soorah al-Baqarah 2:258]
                  [Soorah al-An`aam 6:78]
                  [Soorah al-Kahf 18:17]
                  [Soorah al-Anbiyaaa’ 21:33]
                  [Soorah al-Ara’af 7:54]
                  [Soorah az-Zumar 39:5]
                  [Soorah ash-Shams 91:1-2]
                  [Soorah Ya-Seen 36:38-40]

                  Then look at the Current night sky over Colombo This star chart shows the current skies over Colombo.

                  http://www.astroviewer.com/current-night-sky.php?lon=79.85&lat=6.93&city=Colombo&tz=UTC%2B5.5

                  Al-Farabi Abū Naṣr Muḥammad ibn Muḥammad Fārābī;[ Al-Farabi had great influence on science and philosophy for several centuries, and was widely considered second only to Aristotle in knowledge. His work, aimed at synthesis of philosophy and Sufism, paved the way for the work of Ibn Sina(Avicenna).

                  Avicenna (/ˌævᵻˈsɛnə/; Latinized form of Ibn-Sīnā, Arabic full name Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥusayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Al-Hasan ibn Ali ibn Sīnā There are occasional brief hints and allusions in his longer works however that Avicenna considered philosophy as the only sensible way to distinguish real prophecy from illusion. He did not state this more clearly because of the political implications of such a theory, if prophecy could be questioned, and also because most of the time he was writing shorter works which concentrated on explaining his theories on philosophy and theology clearly, without digressing to considerepistemological matters which could only be properly considered by other philosophers.[43]

                  In other words, God does not have a choice whether or not to create the universe, but by virtue of His own existence, He causes it to be. This view also suggests that the universe is eternal, and both of these points were criticized by al-Ghazzali in his attack on the philosophers[

                  Abū Ḥāmid Muḥammad ibn Muḥammad al-Ghazālī Others have cited his opposition to certain strands of Islamic philosophy as a detriment to Islamic scientific progress. Besides his work that successfully changed the course of Islamic philosophy—the early Islamic Neoplatonism that developed on the grounds of Hellenistic philosophy, for example, was so successfully criticised by al-Ghazali that it never recovered—he also brought the orthodox Islam of his time in close contact with Sufism. It became increasingly possible for individuals to combine orthodox theology (kalam) and Sufism, while adherents of both camps developed a sense of mutual appreciation that made sweeping condemnation of one by the other increasingly problematic, except for the Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies.

                  ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad Ibn ʾAḥmad Ibn Rušd, Averroes Ibn Rushd was a defender of Aristotelian philosophy against Ash’aritheologians led by Al-Ghazali. Although highly regarded as a legal scholar of the Maliki school of Islamic law, Ibn Rushd’s philosophical ideas were considered controversial in Ash’arite Muslim circles.[7] Whereas al-Ghazali believed that any individual act of a natural phenomenon occurred only because God willed it to happen, Ibn Rushd insisted phenomena followed natural laws that God created.

                  Averrroes, was absolutely correct. Modern Science has shown that Averroes is correct, especially with respect to many things including cotton burning, oxidation buy oxygen.

                  Ibn Rushd had a greater impact on Christian Europe: he has been described as the “founding father of secular thought in Western Europe and was known by the sobriquet the Commentator for his detailed emendations to Aristotle. Latin translations of Ibn Rushd’s work led the way to the popularization of Aristotle.

                  Now it is the Age of Reason. The earlier the knowledgeable Muslims get to the age of reason, despite all the distractions by the Iblis following Wahhabis, the better of Muslims are going o be. It was the loss of the age of reason by the elevation of revelation, for the Muslims, started the decline of Muslims.

                  Stupidest Muslim Vs. Neil Tyson – How ideology can ruin intellectual power

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84

                  Published on Nov 10, 2014

                  This is not a debate between some Muslim and Neil Tyson. But this video shows the thinking of some very well educated 21’st century Muslim (I don’t know he is ignorant, stupid or dishonest. But he is one for sure) and Neil Tyson speaking in a lecture about how Muslims intellectual power ruined by an ideology.

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                  J.Deane

                  Q5.” Revelation is from Allah and precedes reason. Refer to Abdul Hamid Ghazzali’s writings for further clarification”

                  Reason Vs. Revelation.

                  http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

                  This originally appeared in German in 1905, given below. This was the Paper that dealt with E=mc**2 Einstein, Albert (1905e) [Manuscript received: 27 September 1905], written at Berne, Switzerland, “Ist die Trägheit eines Körpers von seinem Energieinhalt abhängig?” [Does the Inertia of a Body Depend Upon Its Energy Content?] (PDF), Annalen der Physik (Berlin) (in German) (Hoboken, NJ, published 10 March 2006) 323 (13), pp. 639–641, Bibcode:1905AnP…323..639E, doi:10.1002/andp.19053231314 – via Wiley Online Library

                  Sprechen Sie Deutsch?

                  http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/andp.19053231314/pdf

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              J. Deane – I asked you two questions – Who are your foreign paymasters, and how much do they pay you? As expected, instead of answering those questions you have chosen to be abusive. My questions are very relevant because everyone knows that Saudi Arabia has been spending oil billions in propagating the idiotic, savage, murderous ideology of power that goes by the name of Wahhabism.That description of Wahhabism is fully merited by the sacking of Kerbela in 1801 alone.
              I must draw the reader’s attention to the significance of certain facts.For many weeks our mosques have been desecrated by the anti-Shia hate campaign.Why? The question is pertinent because Sunni-Shia relations in Sri Lanka have always been excellent.Is the hate campaign in the service of a foreign agenda? Is the Islamic religious establishment in Sri Lanka under the influence and control of the petro-dollar? So come on Deanie boy, who is paying you and how much? Is the Jamaat providing you jam? Re your insult about my being a diplomutt – Another whacking will be on the way when I have the time. – IH

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                Izeth Hussain

                “So come on Deanie boy, who is paying you and how much? Is the Jamaat providing you jam?”

                Is Deanie boy, a Wahhabi Saudi Petro Dollar Iblis-Satan-Wahhabi shill?

                The Iblis Wahhabi Petrodollars must have bough t a lot of Sri Lankan Muslims.

                The Wahhabies are so Stupid, they have the lowest GMAT scores of All College graduates in the World, and they do not know the difference between Reverence and Worship, as well as between Reason and Revelation, literally.

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              J.Deane – I told you that a further whacking would be on the way when I have the time – that was re “diplomutt”.Dr Brian Seneviratne is a cousin of former President Chandrika K and a close relation of former Premier Mrs. B. He has attested in CT columns that Mrs B was “very proud” of me. She knew my work as a diplomat at first hand. Do you know anything about it? Not a dam thing.Does the Tuan Bagoos know anything about it? Not a dam thing. Must you keep on showing that you are a mutt, an abusive mutt? / I left Sailan Muslim of my own accord. / You haven’t answered the question I posed earlier.Who provides you the jam? – IH

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                I told you that a further whacking would be on the way when I have the time – that was re “diplomutt”

                And you call this a whacking? More like a feeble pat to me! Come, come Izzi (or sissy) boy you seem to be losing your marbles early in life.

                Dr Brian Seneviratne is a cousin of former President Chandrika K and a close relation of former Premier Mrs. B. He has attested in CT columns that Mrs B was “very proud” of me.

                Izzi boy have you heard of the proverbial monkey praising its own tail? I wouldn’t put much on a lone condescending ‘pat on the back’ praise. Universal applause is acceptable not a ‘he said that she said’ statement. This is the core of your and your partners’ modus operandi to make or counter a point in this discussion. Both of you are incapable of research at the source level but you have to depend on dubious critics, hearsay and conjecture in support of your argument. Armarasiri, depends on Quantum theory, GMAT scores,Wikipedia, theory of relativity, astronomy and out of context verses from the Quran, in addition to what ‘he says that she says’ statements.

                I left Sailan Muslim of my own accord.

                Not to my knowledge. I know this damn too well since I was one of the majority who advocated that you be given the chop! If you did the you jolly well knew what was impending.

                You haven’t answered the question I posed earlier. Who provides you the jam?

                Very simple answer- Allah (SWT) provides my rizq. الحمد لله .I can proudly say that I have never ever let my honesty and integrity be sacrificed for pecuniary gain. By the same token can you please let us know how much the Iranians are paying you and your mentor Amarasiri for your diatribes and stereotyped adverse comments against the Saudis ( I care tuppence for Saudi politics) and most importantly against that noble reviver of Islam, Sheik Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab رَحِم هالله. you will be answerable for slandering this learned ‘Aalim one day. انشا الله

                CONCLUSION
                Izzi boy you can rant and rave all you want with your undignified outbursts and lack of decorum. However this does not project an image of a respected diplomat. Your mendacious statements displays your intellectual dishonesty. I believe I have given you what you call a ‘whacking’ for the rest of your life. So you can reply if you wish but I will trash it to the dustbin of useless discussions.

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                  Jamaat Deane – you are now practically certifiable. You dared abuse me as a “diplomutt”.But you know nothing about my diplomatic performance.That alone shows that you are a fool.Mrs B knew about it and I cited her. She praised me Jamaat, but you take that as myself praising myself.Are you mad? By asking that question I have given you the whacking you deserve. Can’t waste my time on the rest of your drivel.

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          J.Deane Reason Vs. Revelation

          Interesting. The Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies, who cannot Reason, only Revelation, Literally, are so disoriented. Is the Sun and the Moon Going around the earth, Literally?

          J.Deane Says:

          1. “Sorry you got the wrong address! You should address this same question to your friend and mentor, nay your proxy, Amarasiri. “

          Amarasiri has been asking many times, for a succinct answer, to Amarasiri’s 5 Questions, and always, get no answers. Why? Why can’t you find a single the so-called Wahhabi Islamic “Scholar” to answer the 5 simple questions from Amarasiri. Is it because they are still memorizing all the materials into their heads still?

          2. J.Deane, because you were prolix in your answers to Amrasairi’s questions, he was forced to be prolix to answer your prolix replies.
          Amarasiri is till looking for succinct answers to the 5 Amarasiri questions.

          3. At least, Abu was succinct, in giving the answer to the question of whether the world is Created, Untreated or Eternal, even though he also did not answer the 5 Questions. Please forward the 5 Amarasiri questions to your Learned Wahhabi Islamic “Scholars”.

          4. Reason Vs. Revelation. Common sense Vs. Ignorance.

          Reverence Vs. Worship. Why do the Wahhabies have a hard time understanding this simple differentiation?

          5. The Revelations in the Quran and in the Bible are given below.

          A good example is does the Sun revolves around the Earth?
          Ask-Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen (rahimahullaah)

          http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

          1) Allah, the Most High says, that when Ibrahim (`alayhi as-Salaam), disputed with the one who argued with him concerning his Lord: “Verily, Allah brings the sun form the east; then bring it you from the west.” [Surah al-Baqarah 2:258]

          2) He also tells us that Ibraaheem (`alayhi as-Salaam) said: “When he saw the sun rising up, he said: ‘This is my lord. This is greater.’ But when it set, he said: ‘O my people! I am indeed free from all that you join as partners (in worship with Allaah).” [Soorah al-An`aam 6:78]

          3) Allaah the Most High says: “And you might have seen, the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left.” [Soorah al-Kahf 18:17]

          4) Allaah, the Most High says: “And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun, and the moon, each in an orbit floating.” [Soorah al-Anbiyaaa’ 21:33]

          5) Allaah, the Most High says: “He brings the night as a cover over the day, seeking it rapidly.” [Soorah al-Ara’af 7:54)

          6) Allaah, the Most High says: “He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.” [Soorah az-Zumar 39:5]

          7) Allaah, the Most High say: “By the sun and its brightness. By the moon as it follows it (the sun).” [Soorah ash-Shams 91:1-2]

          8) Allaah, the Most High say: “And the sun runs o*n its fixed course for a term {appointed}. That is the Decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. And the moon, We have measured for it mansions {to traverse} till it returns like the old dried date stalk. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.” [Soorah Ya-Seen 36:38-40]

          Hadith

          9) The Prophet (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) said to Aboo Tharr (radhiallaahu `anhu), when the sun had just set: “Do you know where it goes?” He said, “Allaah and His Messenger knows best.” He (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) said: “Verily, it goes (i.e., travels) and it prostrates beneath the Throne and seeks permission to rise, and permission is granted to it. Then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but will not be permitted, but it will be ordered: Return from whence you came, and so it will rise in the West.”

          10) It is clear from the many ahaadeeth which attribute rising, setting, and declining from its zenith to the sun, that it is the sun which does so and so and the earth.

          REVELATION: In the Bible, Injil

          Read Joshua, 10:13, Stopping the Sun, in the Old Testament as well.

          King James Bible And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

          Do you go by Akil, Reason or by Nakil, Revelation, Literal Interpretation, as the Wahhabies and their clones do even when the evidence says Nakil, Revelation, Literal Interpretation is incorrect?

          REASON and Observations: See With your Own Eyes Today and over the Next 12 Months, Jupiter.

          Current night sky over Colombo
          This star chart shows the current skies over Colombo.

          http://www.astroviewer.com/current-night-sky.php?lon=79.85&lat=6.93&city=Colombo&tz=UTC%2B5.5

          1. You can see Planet Jupiter, rising from the East, about 30% and will set early in the morning.

          2. During these days, Jupiter is closer to the Earth (both are going around the Sun in elliptical orbits as per Kepler) ans at night can see the Jupiter rise and Jupiter set.

          3. 7 Months from now, September 2016, the Earth would be on the other side of the Sun, and Jupiter still where it is, only having moved only about 30 degrees, cannot be seen at night from Colombo. Can only be seen during the Day.

          4. From URSA MAJOR and URSA MINOR, can locate the Polaris, North Star, that should be around 6 to 9 Degrees above the horizon.

          This is what Reason and Observations, Natural Philosophy and Science Predicts. Islamic Science and Philosophy prevailed from around 800 CE to 1,100 CE. That is the reason why Revelation needs to be tested against reason and observations, without following blindly.

          Yes, there is a difference between Reverence and Worship, as Izeth Hussein and millions of others are saying, even though the Wahhabies and their clones do not know.

          J. Deane, as you quoted:

          ” however as Thomas Chalkley says ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.”

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        Izeth Hussain

        “3) I was mistaken in thinking that Wahhab would not have approved of the 1801 Kerbela massacre. I was bending over backward in trying to be fair-minded to Wahhab. I found thereafter that Wahhab was certainly the originator of Wahhabi terrorism. “

        Thanks for clarifying. Actually, the killings go back to Ibn Taymiah, from who Abdul Wahhab copied based on Satan’s instructions. Now the Saudi Wahhabies follow the Great Satan.

        Whahhabies are so devoid of reason and critical thinking they cannot make the differentiation. Look at the Average GMAT scores of Wahhabi Saudi Graduates. They are the least intelligent and lack critical thinking skills.

        They all are deceived by the Devil, Iblis, Satan. They lack intelligence and critical thinking skills, it is hard to get the correct information intro their Satan infested heads.

        Is it because the Wahhabies are deceived and follow the Devil, Satan, and Iblis? Why is that the Average GMAT score of the Saudis, who have the highest percentage of Wahhabies so low?

        Their brains are filled with Wahhabi Ideology, just like ISIS, Iblis State, and their brains are left with very little critical thinking capacity?

        Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

        http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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        Wahhabism could well be understood by having a good look at the attached article. Please access for a comprehensive understanding of What Wahhabism was/is all about and what its founder Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab (May Allah’s Curse be on him), the heretic, did to the Muslims to assume power?

        The Original Najdi/ Wahhabi Movement Was More Extreme In Bloodshed & Takfir Than ISIS
        I’ve read some threads on this forum and saw that there are people here who dislike the crimes of IS / ISIS against the Muslims and other innocent people, but at the same time they admire Muhammad bin ‘Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH) and the original Najdi movement. This shows that there is huge amount of lack of information regarding the original Najdi movement and the level of their fanaticism.

        ‘Know that IS/ISIS has not even committed 10% of that which the original Najdi/Wahhabi movement committed against the Muslims in the time of the first Saudi state.’

        Read more: http://newsrescue.com/original-najdi-wahhabi-movement-was-more-extreme-in-bloodshed-takfir-than-isis/#ixzz42QPzgLcI

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    To the question, is Wahabbism a Movement, many socio-religious reforms and movements have already emerged among Muslims. Some of them are purely political such as those involved in changing the types of governments regardless of whether or not a preference for a particular type of government exists. Some others are purely religious and their concern is only reform in religious and ideological content. Yet, others have been religious and socio-political such as the Islamic Revolution in Iran. These types of movements cannot be regarded as mere reformist movements as they have affected all aspects of life—religious, personal, social, etc. Indeed, the very word “revolution” is the best label for these kinds of movements.

    In reply to the question, it must be said that the truth of the matter is that Wahhabism is merely a political movement that emerged within a religious-ideological framework, and it has brought about a particular social outcome. Of course, the final view must be expressed by social and political scientists.

    The subtle differences between all sects within the Muslim community can only be appreciated by those who have an understanding of the core beliefs and tenets of the Islamic faith. Most differences are based on their own understanding of Quranic text, its translations and interpretations, which are sometimes taken in a ‘literal’ sense and sometimes on ‘metaphorical’ level. Some quotations are taken out of context, whilst some are misrepresented to fit into their own culture. Since our Prophet is our only source as leader for the entire mankind, Muslims don’t have any other living source to lookup to as leader, they are guided by his examples as recorded in his real life events called ‘Sunnahs of the Prophet’ or ‘Hadiths’.

    Ideally, everyone needs to be Muslim by practice which is what counts, rather than simply Muslim by name. It is the degree and depth of their ‘Imaan’ – Faith (belief with conviction in the unseen), which separates the strong from the fickle who could be more easily swayed. This conviction entails Belief in the 1. Existence of God Almighty whose name is Allah(SWT), 2. Belief in His Angels, 3. His Prophets, 4. His Revelations to mankind, which were later compiled into Books – last of which is The Holy Quran, 5. The coming of The day of Reckoning, where He will be Master of The Day of Judgement, and 6. All good and bad comes from Him. Bottom line is even though all of those people who belong to various sects within the Faith, they are all Muslims.

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      Moulavi

      For a Muslim “This conviction entails Belief in the 1. Existence of God Almighty whose name is Allah(SWT), 2. Belief in His Angels, 3. His Prophets, 4. His Revelations to mankind, which were later compiled into Books – last of which is The Holy Quran, 5. The coming of The day of Reckoning, where He will be Master of The Day of Judgement, and 6. All good and bad comes from Him. Bottom line is even though all of those people who belong to various sects within the Faith, they are all Muslims.”

      This is for those who follow Allah, SWT.

      However, for the Wahhabies and their clones, it is NOT Sufficient. They follow Iblis, Satan who misleads.

      Shaitan, Devil is mentioned 88 times in the Holy Quran.
      Iblis is mentioned 11 times in the Holy Quran.

      88/11 = 8 Times.

      88+11 = 99.

      There are 99 Names for Allah, SWT. Is therte a coincidence here? What about the Hadith of Najd? Presicting the Iblis, Satan from Najd, Saudi Arabia, current Riyad where Abdul Wahhab came?

      They need to kill the Muslims, as per instruction from Iblis, Satan, Devil. They also want to mislead the Muslims so that they follow Iblis, Satan and end up in Hell Fire with Iblis, Satan on day of Judgement as per Islamic Theology.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

      Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it.[16] Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity’s inferiority, and justify his act of defiance.[citation needed] For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called “Shaytan” (Satan).

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    We can debate on what Wahhabism should be or has been etc. until the cows come home.
    We can also debate on what Islam, Hinduism, Christianity and Buddhism should or should not be. Such ceaseless debates resolve nothing of use.

    The immediate question is what “Wahhabism”– as encouraged by the Saudi regime –seeks to achieve.

    Similar issues can be raised about Hindutva and Christian and Buddhist fundamentalist movements of various description.
    What all of them have in common is that they serve to divide the people within the respective religious communities, to spread hate against other religions and religious sects and serve imperialist interests, through activating modern-day fascism.

    I am cautious to discriminate between any fundamentalism and the religion itself as well as its followers, who need to be on the guard against dangerous fascist trends to which they can fall victim.

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      sekara

      “The immediate question is what “Wahhabism”– as encouraged by the Saudi regime –seeks to achieve.”

      A good question. Wahhabi-Iblis-Satan hegemony?

      Let’s ask the Question what have the Saudi Wahhabi’s Achieved with the Billions of Petrodollars?

      Stupidity, inability to reason, do critical thinking. What is what happened to Satan, Iblis Followers. On the other Hand, the Allah Followers, such as Sunnis and Shia do not suffer that stupidity.

      The Supporting data is given below.

      Is it because the Wahhabies are deceived and follow the Devil, Satan, and Iblis? Why is that the Average GMAT score of the Saudis, who have the highest percentage of Wahhabies so low? Their brains are filled with Wahhabi Ideology, just like ISIS, Iblis State, and their brains are left with very little critical thinking capacity?

      Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

      http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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    Appreciate very much Izeth Hussain for an excellent insight into the Wahhabi menace, that is creating havoc in the Muslim world and the danger it poses for the future of Islam and Muslims around the world including our own, mother Lanka. Except for the Wahhabi apologists, they are an affront to Islam and Muslims. The worse think to befall the Muslim world, in the 20th Century, is the Holy Land of Islam, that is the land of revelation, coming under the jurisdiction of the bandit family, hailing from from the accursed province of Nejd.

    Anyone is interested in knowing the credentials of the heretic Abdul Wahhab and his evil manifestations in the contemporary world, could access the link
    Radical face of Saudi Wahhabism.

    https://thinkworth.wordpress.com/2014/11/20/radical-face-of-saudi-wahhabism/#more-9765

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      Seyed Mohamed

      “Appreciate very much Izeth Hussain for an excellent insight into the Wahhabi menace, that is creating havoc in the Muslim world and the danger it poses for the future of Islam and Muslims around the world …”

      Read More …

      Breaking Down What Really Happened In Syria, Ken O’Keefe

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcTN6a_Dk3k

      Published on Feb 23, 2016

      In this video Luke Rudkowski interviews former marine and outspoken activist Ken O’keefe about the important situation that developed in Syria with global implications. The two go over there research on the topic and share their insights on what led to this geopolitical nightmare and what will proceed it.

      To find out more about Ken O’Keefe check out https://kenokeefe.wordpress.com/

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      Thanks to Seyed Mohamed and thanks in particular for providing the link showing the nexus between Wahhabism and its clone the IS. The latter is a development of the former. Therefore it is not sufficient to extirpate the latter. Wahhabism itself must be extirpated from off the face of the earth. The essence of Wahhabism was incarnated in Wahhab himself. He was an axe-wielding savage. – IH

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        RE: Wahhabism Is Power-Worship

        Izeth Hussain RE: More Wahhabi Smoke..to Send Believers to Hell Fire

        IBN TAYMIYYAH AND THE OCCULT ROOTS OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM

        MOHAMMED ABDUL WAHHAB

        http://www.conspiracyschool.com/wahhabis

        http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/ibn-taymiyyah-and-occult-roots-islamic-terrorism

        It was not legal in Islam for a Muslim to fight another Muslim. Therefore, in order to rile the Arabs against their Turkish brethren, it was necessary to first create a new interpretation of Islam that would sanction such murder, but under the guise of Jihad. This new interpretation came to be known as Wahhabism, and was founded by British agent, Mohammed Abdul Wahhab.

        Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab was born in 1703, in the small town in a barren wasteland called Najd, in the eastern part of what is now called Saudi Arabia. Ominously, Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, had already refused to confer blessings on the region, claiming that from it would emerge only “disturbances, disorder and the horns of Satan”. Abdul Wahhab’s father was a chief judge, adhering to the Hanbali school of Islamic jurisprudence, traditionally prevalent in the area. Yet, both he and Abdul Wahhab’s brother, Sulayman, detected signs of doctrinal deviance in him from early on. It was Sulayman who would first come out with a lengthy denunciation of his brother.

        Read about Ibn Taymiah, from whom Abdul Wahhab, the British Agent, who copied.

        However, Ibn Taymiyyah’s current reputation is largely a modern fabrication, as his ideas were first revived by British agent, Mohammed Abdul Wahhab, the founder of Wahhabism, the fundamentalist cult now promoted by Saudi Arabia.

        The reasons for the revival of his reputation will become evident, as we consider how his fanaticism fit in well with the goals of modern terrorist groups and their sponsors.

        Few Muslims today, due to the effective propaganda of the Saudi state, are aware of Ibn Taymiyyah’s true pronouncements and the controversy of his career.

        In fact, Ibn Taymiyyah spent much of his career in jail, placed there by the religious authorities of his time, usually for the accusation of anthropomorphism, or ascribing human attributes to God. Islamic theology is very clear about safeguarding the notion of God’s uniqueness and transcendence.

        This is interesting because, despite all their numerous tangents into various other details, the Wahhabi and Salafi scholars are devoted to ideas derived from Ibn Taymiyyah’s anthropormorphism. It’s there. It’s never very overt, but it is always there.

        Ibn Battuta, the renowned Muslim traveller, recorded that Ibn Taymiyyah “had a screw loose”, because during a sermon, he descended from the pulpit, and as he walked down its steps, he said that, when God descends from the highest heaven, “he descends like this”. (Little, Donald P. “Did Ibn Taymiyya have a screw loose?”, Studia Islamica, 1975, Number 41, pp. 95)

        It is this anthropomorphism that suggests he may have had an occult connection. Ibn Taymiyyah was born in Harran, which in the occult tradition, is one of the most important cities in its history, besides Babylon, Athens and Alexandria.

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        Izeth Hussain The spread of Wahhabism.. ans Terrorism

        “Wahhabism itself must be extirpated from off the face of the earth. The essence of Wahhabism was incarnated in Wahhab himself. He was an axe-wielding savage. – IH “

        The Roots of ISIS

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNLrNpP8rA&ebc=ANyPxKpO0AyCXQU9HJYeqfvJbxMflUW8EmLAz395fYQ7Joo–1KZzkpeXQtlBCNg8hj3N2NA59nhD9APLnySzapWzUW5OQ6nAA

        Published on Sep 14, 2015
        The Roots of ISIS

        Please share and like to understand how ISIS started and what we must to do stop it.

        How Saudi Arabia created ISIS.

        Since its inception Saudi Arabia has been playing a dangerous game of actively funding Wahhabis (Islamic Facism) and at the very same time buying arms and munitions to appease the west. The documentary highlights how Islamism secretly infected Muslims across the world by building Salafi mosques in Europe, Asia, America and in particular Pakistan which becomes of its remote location and tribal traditions took a hold with the Soviet war being a rallying banner for all those who wanted to fight. That generation of Islamism have infected and destroyed a generation of Muslims across the world and has completely warped all other beautiful and tolerant forms of Islam such as Sufism, nations such as Chechnya, Indonesia, India Turkey and many more had, in the past relative peaceful populations but since the inception of the cold war, have now turned in to battleground and apocalyptic hell holes all supported and funded by Saudi Arabia.

        Why Saudi Arabia created ISIS?

        The Saudi Royal house was supported by fundamentalist Bedouins, they gave military and political support and within a generation wiped out all opposition, their king married the daughter of every lord and became an Arabian super power. Yet there was a fundamental flaw in their rise to power, the Saudis had to placate and appease the Islamist Wahhabis who felt they owed him a favour. The Saudis attempted to kill the Wahhabis but an ideology can’t be massacred and it remained dangerously close to the heart of millions in Saudi Arabia. King Faisal sought and created an infamous plan to get rid of the terrorists at home by exporting terrorism across the world and in turn could convert as many Muslims as possible for the income generated by the Hajj pilgrimage (Islam is still the world fastest growing religion). They still do this shamelessly and this ideology has created the world’s worst humanitarian disaster in 70 years. ISIS is not Islam, ISIS is Wahhabism the Saudis have warped the minds of modern Muslims, they are extremely reactionary and their ideology was considered blasphemous for they consider themselves to be the judge and jury and not god. A notion that is heretical and extremely shocking only 100 years ago. They have played to the tune of death across countless countries. ISIS is not Islam, ISIS is Wahhabis’ the Saudis have warped the modern of Muslims and have played to the tune of death across countless countries.

        How to Stop ISIS.

        Why should we in the west be responsible for stopping ISIS when all the blame is on turkey and the Gulf States? What Germany did in accepting almost a million refugees is the noblest act in recent memory and will ripple in eternity yet why should we in the west bear this burden and let Saudi Arabia continue their despicable 5 star holidays across Europe.

        What can we do to stop Saudi Arabia? The Saudis pretends that it doesn’t need the west and can easily convert back to the tents and tribes they once lived in before the discovery of crude oil. This is false. An entire generation of Saudis travel the world with their Pilipino maids and lavishly spend their blood oil money on cars, prostitutes 5 star hotels and investments. The international community must freeze their assets in the banks and deny any new visa entries. If denied arms and wealth the Saudis will step up provide aid and refugee care and within a few months ISIS will cease to exist. It is our job to tell our governments that enough is enough, what the Gulf States have done is deplorable and the crimes committed by these corrupt disgusting men must stop now!

        Footage collected from the BBC’s Film ‘Bitter Lake’ and various news footages from youtube and edited by Ari Murad.

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    Here is another insight into the dark forces of this era; the Wahhabi vultures masquarading as humans and fast
    making inroads into the otherwise peace loving Muslims of Sri Lanka. This also reveals the savage nature of
    child killers and women haters who finance these barbarians:the Saudis, the Kuwaitis and the Qataris.

    Cannibalism versus civilization: The responsibility of the West – by Mahpara Qalandar
    The man eating the heart of a dead (killed) Syrian soldier is a Wahabi operative recruited by the Al-Qaeda to destroy every single secular Syrian: Sunnis, Shias, Christians, and others. Financed and armed by the Wahabi monarchies of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and facilitated by Turkey and its NATO allies, the Al-Qaeda belies the Hegelian-dialectical claim made by educated people and taught all over the world that humans during their march towards civilization got rid of horrifying insanities such as incest and cannibalism. The anthropology departments all around the world have been telling us that cannibalism is now a matter of the past and a matter of documentation of the stages humans have been going through.

    But this is not the case. The Wahabi-Al-Qaeda mindset belies all claims made by anthropologists and ethnographers. Abu Sakkar, the man who ripped open the dead Syrian soldier’s chest and ate his heart, is the leader of the Omar al-Farouq Brigade, which is a part of the Al-Qaeda fighting against the legitimate Syrian government. The West misled by the Saudi-Wahabi money and propaganda is fast hurling itself into a situation where it will ultimately face the likes of Abu Sakkar. The extent of the Wahabi-Al-Qaeda hatred of the liberal and secular Muslims is evidenced by the cannibalistic act of Abu Sakkar. But the Western governments must realize that the Wahabi-Al-Qaeda’s hatred of the Christians and the Jews far exceeds their hatred of the liberal Muslims. Just listen to what Osama bin Laden used to say about the Christians and the Jews, and you will know what is in store for them should these monsters succeed in Syria.

    If there is thinking in the West that it can contain the Wahabi-inspired Islamofascism within the Muslim world, it is a very, very faulty line of thought. The Wahabi cannibal-terrorists are great inspiration to those Muslims in the West who go to Saudi-financed mosques and get brainwashed by the Wahabi imams there.

    In the past, the secular Muslims like the Shias have faced worse circumstances. They have survived. They will survive again. But the Western governments should seriously think about the scenario once the Wahabis now living ‘peacefully’ London, Paris, Toronto, and New York become active. According to Wahabi beliefs, the world must be converted to Islam or destroyed. It is high time that the civilized world confronts Islamofascism financed and promoted by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    We are lucky that we were able to get hold of one cannibalistic video to understand what the civilized world is up against. Imagine how many cannibals fighting in Syria and Afghanistan have not been videotaped. Imagine how many Wahabi vampires are sleeping in Western cities waiting for the night in which Wahabism plans to wrap them!

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      omar lebbe

      “The man eating the heart of a dead (killed) Syrian soldier is a Wahabi operative recruited by the Al-Qaeda to destroy every single secular Syrian: Sunnis, Shias, Christians, and others. Financed and armed by the Wahabi monarchies of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and facilitated by Turkey and its NATO allies”

      The Wahhabies and theit clones are recruited and inspired Iblis, Satan,and their supporters. They are the Saudi Wahhabies and theit clones, the Great Satan, NATO and many minor Satans.

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    Thank you for the article.

    Ref: Stoning to death

    Is this not recommended in the Sahih Hadith?

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      TheHorsesFoot

      “Thank you for the article.
      Ref: Stoning to death
      Is this not recommended in the Sahih Hadith?”

      In Islam, the Quran is Supreme, as the Muslims believe that Quran is the Word of God, Allah. Hadith are the sayings of the Prophet Mohamed, collected over 100 to 200 years later. Shih Buhari collected about 200,000 Hadith and discarded about 90% of them, because of poor narrations. However, there must be Hadith that had good narrations, but doubtful.

      So, the Quran sits in Judgement over the Hadith.

      The Wahhabi, Abdul Wahhab, stone a women to death, despite the Holy Quran prescribing 100 lashes.

      Who would go against God, Allah? Only Satan, Iblis, Devil or a Satan Follower? Who Was that? Abdul Wahhab, the Wahhabi.

      The Wahhabi Clones, such as the Taliban also stone women to death.

      After All, they All are Satan, Iblis Followers.

      Besides, Wahhabism makes you lose your critical thinking skills and makes the Wahhabi stupid.

      Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

      http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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    For me the problem here is Mr. Hussein doe snot like to accept the core problem is Islam itself.

    If the philosophy is the holy truth, people can criticize it but, it will stay the same.

    Islam is not the correct philosophy. So even blind followers of it make it disappear from earth or change it.

    Centuries ago, Islam Destroyed countries and societies but that won’t be eternal. You get back what you did.

    It is just Karma. Every thing is cyclical.

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      Jim softy

      “If the philosophy is the holy truth, people can criticize it but, it will stay the same.”
      “Islam is not the correct philosophy. So even blind followers of it make it disappear from earth or change it.”

      Islam and Wahhabism are confusing. So is, Buddhism, Sinhala Buddhism, Duality of the Photon and Electron as well. You need to use good intellect to differentiate between these as well as within these beliefs.Buddhism says no Soul, and Hinduism says Soul.

      Recommend reading Avicinna, Al-Ghazali, Averroes, Thomas Aquinas, and Aristotle and comprehending.

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    Amare the jack ass writes so much crap to be relevant.
    Still thinks copying and paste will make him pass as a intellectual ,
    Sorry the longer the comment, doesn’t make it relevant or factual.
    Ranting incoherent crap, just to past time.

    There is only one Allah and Prophet Mohamed is his messenger.
    Accept the truth, when given clear evidence.

    Idol worshippers will be in hell for eternity.
    I am just a Warner.

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      Jehan

      Just look up the sky.

      Current night sky over Colombo
      This star chart shows the current skies over Colombo.

      http://www.astroviewer.com/current-night-sky.php?lon=79.85&lat=6.93&city=Colombo&tz=UTC%2B5.5

      The Earth and Jupiter goes around the sun. The Earth spins on its axis.

      Why Circumambulate the Kabba 7 times?

      Why Haj only for 5 days?

      Why Umra, the Next 360 days?

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        Jehan

        RE: Haj and Syrian Refugees- Caused by Iblis-Wahhabi Saudi Arabia.

        “The Earth and Jupiter goes around the sun. The Earth spins on its axis. Why Circumambulate the Kabba 7 times? Why Haj only for 5 days? Why Umra, the Next 360 days?”

        Unfortunately the people of this world, especially the Muslims have gone deaf.

        See What this Muslim guy is saying. The Saudi Wahhabies and The Great Satan are behind the Syrian Tragedy.

        The Reason Why I Will Never Go For Hajj
        BY AKIF KICHLOO O

        On one side, there are 2 million displaced Syrian refugees in great distress and on the other, more than 2 million Muslims, totally disconnected from the tragedy, spending their life savings to indulge in a 1400-year-old ritual

        http://thewire.in/2015/09/12/the-reason-why-i-will-never-go-for-hajj-10590/

        Syrian refugees walk along Budaorsi Street on their way out of Budapest.

        Fa ayna tadh haboon – It is very difficult to understand the depth of emotion behind these words in the Quran when god asks us with so much of love and compassion, “Where are you going?”

        The concern with which we are asked about the path we have taken, if heard and understood correctly, could so easily bring us back to the right path. Unfortunately the people of this world, especially the Muslims have gone deaf. Today with the same worry and tremendous anguish in my heart, I am compelled to ask everyone “Where are you going?” “Why have you turned a blind eye towards the sufferings of your fellow human beings?”

        On one side, there are 2 million displaced Syrian refugees including children, in great distress all across the Gulf and the European nations, crying for help, and on the other side, more than 2 million Muslims, totally disconnected from the tragedy, spending all their life savings to indulge in a 1400-year-old ritual called Hajj, which adds billions of dollars yearly to the already over flowing treasures of the Saudi king.

        The same money, if donated by the people for the cause of Syrian refugees, could solve all their problems. And the Saudi government – which has housed more than 25 million pilgrims in the past 10 years – could lend a helping hand in giving temporary asylum to a major proportion of the most needy refugees by diverting the same manpower and wealth used to host the pilgrims. There are 100,000 air conditioned tents standing in the city of Mina in Saudi Arabia, with a holding capacity of about 2 million people – which, coincidentally, equals the exact number of refugees displaced from Syria. These tents are used for just 5 days in a year to house the Hajj pilgrims and they stand empty for the rest of the year, totally unused.

        The Muslim world specifically and humanity in general is losing its moral compass. By believing in a god when we are divorced from the struggles of our own brothers and sisters, we have done nothing but shift the burden of responsibility from ourselves on to a higher power. When will we start to realise that no higher power will come to lift the fallen ,and take it upon ourselves to do more than just pray for the ones in desperate need? Isn’t it high time already, especially for the people in Muslim world who take pride in quoting the Quran on universal brotherhood and oneness among Muslims, which I must say, ironically, is only displayed during the five days of Hajj?

        Being brought up in a conservative Muslim household, there is only one verse from the Bible in my memory, and it has always been “Love Thy Neighbour”. I can quote hundreds of similar verses from the Quran urging us to help the needy, whereas only a few (around nine) come to mind when I think about the importance of the pilgrimage called Hajj.

        Isn’t it our duty to prioritise our spending and give Syrian refugees a higher place in our grocery list of virtues which we think we can buy by spending a couple of weeks at a place called sacred in scriptures as old as the last virtuous man that lived? And to the Muslims who aim to get a higher place in the eyes of god, I would suggest donating – for this Hajj they are on will get them virtues worth one Hajj, but they could get virtues good for a thousand Hajjs if they donate the same money they had kept aside for this pilgrimage. And if they think this I am wrong in saying this, I would suggest they go and read their Quran right.

        Yes, I am a devout Muslim, but I will never go for Hajj. I think there are a thousand more causes in the world for which that money and time can be used, and I, being a man of the 21st century, would not be able to justify giving my hard-earned money to a country which did nothing for the Syrian refugees in dire need.

        “Fa Firroo Ilallaah – Not there, come over here, come towards the path that is right, that is free of sin” —Holy Quran

        It is about time we got our priorities right.

        Akif Kichloo is a doctor and poet

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    7 minutes ago
    Masood Akhtar
    ALL NON – MUSLIS OF THE WORLD ARE IGNORANT PEOPLE OF THE LORD.

    THE PITY IS THAT THEY ARE IGNORANT OF ISLAM.

    WHY DO MUSLIMS BURY DEAD BODIES INSTEAD OF CREMATING THEM, I.E BURNING THEM?

    Components of human body present in the soil:

    Elements that are present in the human body are present in lesser or greater quantity in the soil. Hence it is more scientific to bury a dead body, as it easily gets decomposed and mixed in the soil.

    No Pollution:

    Cremating (burning) the dead body leads to pollution of the atmosphere which is detrimental to health and harmful for the environment. There is no such pollution caused by burying a dead body.

    Surrounding land becomes fertile:

    To cremate a dead body several trees have to be chopped, which reduces the greenery and harms the environment and the ecology. When dead bodies are buried, besides the trees being saved, the surrounding land becomes fertile and it improves the environment.

    Economical:

    It is expensive to cremate a dead body when tons of wood have to be burned. Annually there is a loss of crores of rupees, only because dead bodies are cremated in India. Burying dead bodies is very cheap. It hardly costs any money.

    Same land can be utilised for burying another body:

    The wood used for cremating a dead body cannot be reutilised for cremating another dead body since it gets converted to ashes. The land used for burying a dead body can be reutilised for burying another body after a few years since the human body gets decomposed and mixed in the soil.

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      I agree with Jehan in this. The dead body as it decomposes creates nutrients for the plants. Which then enter the food chain producing new life.

      I don’t know why Christians say Ashes to Ashes – Dust to Dust.

      But the Muslim method is the best I think. Not even a coffin is needed.

      We also have in some parts of India the custom of leaving the bodies to be eaten by vultures. Not so nice but still better than burning.

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      Jehan

      “WHY DO MUSLIMS BURY DEAD BODIES INSTEAD OF CREMATING THEM, I.E BURNING THEM? “
      “Components of human body present in the soil: “
      ” Elements that are present in the human body are present in lesser or greater quantity in the soil. Hence it is more scientific to bury a dead body, as it easily gets decomposed and mixed in the soil.”
      ” No Pollution: Cremating (burning) the dead body leads to pollution of the atmosphere which is detrimental to health and harmful for the environment. There is no such pollution caused by burying a dead body.”

      Jehan. Bravo! Amarasiri can agree completely on this.It does not even contribute to Global Warming.

      Here is another supporter for burial.

      Neil deGrasse Tyson stops a religious troll (w/captions)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afGkv0IT4dU

      Uploaded on Sep 28, 2010

      At the end of the Q&A period after Tyson and Dawkins’ magnificent presentation “The Poetry of Science”, this douchebag troll (who refused to sit and insisted on getting his “question” out) tries to bait Dawkins/Tyson into a religious discussion with the mildly retarded question about what they would do when they’re about to die with nothing to console themselves but their knowledge of science (implying that they’re incomplete without the source of origin:god). Dawkins passed the opportunity for retort to Tyson, who answers in a fantastically poetic way.

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    Amarasiri,

    If you want to be scientifically precise, it is more appropriate to say that, the Earth and Sun orbit each other around their ‘common center of mass’. We can calculate the position of this common center of mass using OL physics/math using the following data.

    Sun to Earth Mass Ratio = Mse =The mass of sun / the Mass of earth) = 330,000

    D = The average distance between the Sun and earth = 150,000,000 km
    The distance of the common center of mass of the Sun Earth system = D/Mse =(150,000,000 / 330,000) =450 km.

    This of course means that the common center of mass lies deep inside the Sun, which is expected as the Sun is about 330,000 times more massive than the Earth. This also means that virtually, the planets go around the sun, not the other way.

    However, the Sun is not stationary and is also going around the common center of mass in a nearly circular orbit of diameter 450 km. Just to get an idea about how large this orbit is, if you imagine the center of the Sun to be in Kandy, the circular orbit of the Sun would cover twice the size of Sri Lanka.

    Another interesting thing is that planets around other Suns (extra solar) are discovered using the above phenomenon. The planet causes its Sun to wobble (another name for the apparent orbital back an forth motion followed by the sun, when viewed edgewise) and this wobble is detected by the Doppler effect it causes in the light it emits. Direct observation of planets is extremely difficult with present technology, and the above provides one of the main ways (the other being occultation) in which extra solar planets are discovered. The effect is quite prominent if there is a huge Jupiter like Planet orbiting its sun very close.

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      ruwan

      “If you want to be scientifically precise, it is more appropriate to say that, the Earth and Sun orbit each other around their ‘common center of mass’”

      Thanks. You are absolutely correct. The current “dispute” with the Wahhabies and their clones is Reason and Observations Vs. Reverence and Worship.

      Copernicus and Galileo debate with the Catholic Church in the 21st century, taken over by the Wahhabies.

      Amarasiri has also thrown in the Hypothesis that the Wahhabies and their Clones follow Iblis, Satan, Devil based on the Islamic, Christian and Jewish Theology on the Satan. There is some “Data” support for this Satan Hypothesis, even though not scientific, but circumstantial. Here, with Wahhabies and their clones, we are at two different resonance frequencies.

      1. However, when you are dealing with those who still believe in the Geocentric model, based on the revelations in the Bible or the Quran, we have to forgo such “small” details, as the Sun has 99.87% or so of the planetary system mass. Remember Giardano Bruno and Galileo?

      2. Another detail is the orbit of Mercury, as calculated by Newton’s gravitational theory and Kepler’s Laws.

      The Mysterious Orbit of Mercury I The Great Courses

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSXNE0pNtr8

      In 1916, General Theory of Relativity, Space and Time, a deformable fabric of gravity, Mercury was following the curved space and time, close to the very high gravity close to the Sun.

      3. As to the exoplanets, yes, it is the motion of the Star that can only be measured from Earth by the Doppler Shift, and interestingly they follow Kepler’s Laws. The spacecraft sent to measure such exoplanets was appropriately named Kepler Spacecraft.

      4. Neil deGrasse Tyson on Science and Religion

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdtfbPsRw&ebc=ANyPxKqVVoE7aeFsx2k25DSh6Nn1PBWjWIeUVc7M5fz2yYLBLV12bzwPX5Xa8L4wqFCQVRMq6Jm1bUIGI3_vJsT8dDPOQwLAIg

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        ruwan

        Kepler (spacecraft)

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_(spacecraft)

        Designed to survey a portion of our region of the Milky Way to discover dozens of Earth-size exoplanets in or near the habitable zone and estimate how many of the billions of stars in the Milky Way have such planets, Kepler’s sole instrument is a photometer that continually monitors the brightness of over 145,000 main sequence stars in a fixed field of view. This data is transmitted to Earth, then analyzed to detect periodic dimming caused by exoplanets that cross in front of their host star.

        Kepler Spacecraft Field of View of the Milky Way Galaxy, about 3,000 light years.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_(spacecraft)#/media/File:LombergA1024.jpg

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        Amarasiri,

        Thank you for your references.

        It is nice to have someone like you. a living catalog.

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    Izzeth Hoo and Amarasiri Who share First Prize for pseudo intellectual masturbation. Congratulations to both of them.

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      Navin

      Give up your Iblisic Satanic Wahhabism and its Clones. Remember, Stupidity is not a Virtue.

      Stupidest Muslim Vs Neil Tyson – How ideology can ruin intellectual power

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84

      Published on Nov 10, 2014
      This is not a debate between some Muslim and Neil Tyson. But this video shows the thinking of some very well educated 21’st century Muslim (I don’t know he is ignorant, stupid or dishonest. But he is one for sure) and Neil Tyson speaking in a lecture about how Muslims intellectual power ruined by an ideology. You can watch the Full video of this Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s amazing lecture filled with fun and knowledge by clicking on the link below.

      Ken Miller on Human Evolution

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

      Uploaded on Feb 14, 2007
      Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. He discusses a recent finding of the Human Genome Project which identifies the exact point of fusion of two primate chromosomes that resulted in human chromosome #2.

      10 Times Neil deGrasse Tyson Blew Our Minds

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdtfbPsRw&ebc=ANyPxKqVVoE7aeFsx2k25DSh6Nn1PBWjWIeUVc7M5fz2yYLBLV12bzwPX5Xa8L4wqFCQVRMq6Jm1bUIGI3_vJsT8dDPOQwLAIg

      Then look at the Current night sky over Colombo
      This star chart shows the current skies over Colombo.

      http://www.astroviewer.com/current-night-sky.php?lon=79.85&lat=6.93&city=Colombo&tz=UTC%2B5.5

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        Amarasiri Who,

        You personify in intellect the incurable porn addict who gets his release by cheering on his heroes and heroines. In your comment above, your heroes happen to be Ken Miller and Neil Tyson. Perhaps you had the night sky in Colombo in the background while you were getting your release?

        Although you hallucinate imagining that with your puny mind you understand the Universe in its entirety, the maximum your heroes are doing is to cast doubt on what others believe: they do not dispense conclusions with certainty, although you appear to be certain that the universe “just happened”. Of course you have already declared many times that anyone who does not take your words at face value is stupid, is an idiot. But, then, with masturbation of what importance is reality?

        Why do you imagine anyone should take you seriously? Are you an Isaac Newton, or a Marconi, a Bill Gates, a Christopher Columbus, a Socrates or are you even a Gnanasara? What are your credentials / attributes to speak on a subject such as the Solar System, the Galaxies, life forms and what sustains them? All what you have given CT readers up to now is your cut and paste diarrhoea with monotonous regularity.

        Unless you make clear your credentials, as regular CT readers, are we not justified in thinking you are in reality nothing but an amateur and a charlatan?

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          Navin

          “Unless you make clear your credentials, as regular CT readers, are we not justified in thinking you are in reality nothing but an amateur and a charlatan?”

          Amarasiri, The Egalitarian Rationalist Philosopher? Would it help you discard your Petrodollar Funded Wahhabi beliefs inspired by the Iblis, Satan. Devil?

          Hadith of Najd?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

          This is precisely the Problem with Wahhabies and their Clones.

          They do not address the issues. They want Ad Hominem attacks, because they cannot rebut the arguments. Even Copernicus and Galileo were spared ad Hominem attacks, and they were attacked on the Heliocentric Model.

          The Wahhabies are a different bunch. They have low intelligence and low critical thinking skills, such as the Saudi Wahhabies. They cannot even differentiate between reverence and Worship.

          Besides, Wahhabism makes you lose your critical thinking skills and makes the Wahhabi stupid.

          Give up your Wahhabism, before it destroys and others around you.

          Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

          http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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            Amarasiri Who

            You started by quoting from my comment, that, unless you establish your credentials your assertions indicate you are nothing but an amateur and a charlatan. Your response was typically “charlatannic”, namely “hint, but don’t claim”.

            You responded with the words “egalitarian rationalist philosopher” which are followed by a question mark. If indeed you intended to claim the attributes portrayed by those words, taken as a phrase, or as separate words, you have failed to provide evidence in support.

            Your style of writing indicates you are far from being an egalitarian, rationalist, or philosopher. This is indicated by your aversion to treat adversaries with respect (egalitarian?, and dismiss with contemptuous arrogance any competing postulation about the galaxy, life forms and sustenance merely because your puny brain cannot understand (rationalist?). And your claim to be a philosopher with a question mark is intriguing.

            In view of my initial comment while awarding you the Gold Cup for pseudo intellectual masturbation, it has become relevant to enquire whether you are delusional, merging, in your mind, with the personality of the physical actor in the porn movie?

            And what is the big fuss you make about the “Hadith of Najd”? From my limited knowledge of Islam I think Allah has permitted the freedom to Muslims to think rationally, even critically about the reported sayings of his Prophet, subject to adherence to the absolute articles of faith.

            There was no justification for you to assume that I am a Wahhabi clone. I have never said or written anything in their favour at any time. Isn’t it an indication that you are an amateur and a charlatan? Were you hallucinating? Are you a drug addict as well on top of being a porn addict? Perhaps a clown as well?

            You say: “The Wahhabies are a different bunch. They have low intelligence and low critical thinking skills, such as the Saudi Wahhabies. They cannot even differentiate between reverence and Worship.”

            Isn’t this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? I sincerely hope you have a speck of intelligence in your cranium to make the connection. To help you with that may I simply add that critical thinking should not be confused with the cunning of a charlatan.

            To imagine Wahhabism, as projected by you, as a threat to a religion founded over a thousand years ago, and its followers of over a billion people, can only be the work of a sick brain. My sincere advice to you Mr Amarasiri Who is to verify your GMAT scores and get medical help for ailments that may come to light.

            CT readers are still waiting to hear about your qualifications that you think entitle you to spray your stinking cut and paste faeces over all almost all the Articles that are published in CT.

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              Navin
              Amarasiri quotes prolixly on irrelevant verses of the Quran,taken from Wikipedia, and other sources with hardly any relevance for establishing that the teachings of Sheik Muhammad had an impact on terrorism. No attempt is made to establish with an inflexible proof, the nexus between the teachings of Sheik Muhammad with the ideologies of ISIS, AlQaeeda, and other un-Islamic terrorist organizations, but assumes it to be so. His modus operandi Is to hurl profuse abuse at Sheik Muhammad by calling him IBLIS etc, etc. to brainwash the reader that he is evil. Amarasiri keeps asking irrelevant questions, all trying to establish inconsistencies in the Quran, that the Saudis are a nation of low IQ etc. thus deflecting the reader from the core issue. Non of this cut and paste stuff on Astronomy, GMAT scores, theory of relativity, Quantum Physics are relevant to, nor has any bearing to the teachings of Sheik Muhammad and the concomitant effect on terrorism. No body has the time to go through his rigmarole and the end result is that he is not only wasting his time but also that of the readers who wish to increase their knowledge. Common decency, which sadly Amarasiri lacks, demands that we keep the discussion at dignified levels. Amarasiris contribution is to hurl invectives at those who follow the teachings of Sheik Muhammad, which I assure has nothing to do with the ideology of ISIS, Al-Qaeeda etc,etc. The knowledgeable students of Sheik Muhammad will be the first to condemn radical ideologies inimical to the peaceful message of Islam. Amarasiri should try and do research at the first level, if it is within his capacity, by analyzing the writings of Sheik Muhammad and draw his conclusions. Being an armchair critic is an easy way out for indolent people with access to the computer and the Internet. They end up as cut and paste specialists and drift away from true scholarship. As pseudo scholars they are however impressive to naive readers who are not familiar with the subject at hand.

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                Navin and Other Innocents Re: Comment by J Deane.

                Just Look at the evidence. As the Quran Says “Look at the Signs”

                Saudi Petrodollar Funded Satan-Iblis Following Wahhabis are behind it all. Look at the Satan-Iblisic pact between Abdul Wahhab and Saud, aided and abetted by the British, to destabilize the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, so that they could ultimately take over the Middle East. Have you heard about the Sykes-Picot pack, and the pack Saud made with the British? What about the 1949 pack Saud made with the Great Satan, to protect the Wahhabi Satans?

                1. Seyed Mohamed March 5, 2016 at 8:07 pm, Commented.

                “Anyone is interested in knowing the credentials of the heretic Abdul Wahhab and his evil manifestations in the contemporary world, could access the link Radical face of Saudi Wahhabism.

                https://thinkworth.wordpress.com/2014/11/20/radical-face-of-saudi-wahhabism/#more-9765

                2. Izeth Hussain on March 7, 2016 at 9:11 pm, commented:

                “Thanks to Seyed Mohamed and thanks in particular for providing the link showing the nexus between Wahhabism and its clone the IS. The latter is a development of the former. Therefore it is not sufficient to extirpate the latter. Wahhabism itself must be extirpated from off the face of the earth. The essence of Wahhabism was incarnated in Wahhab himself. He was an axe-wielding savage. – IH”

                3. Amarasiri March 7, 2016 at 9:44 am, Commented

                Read More … Breaking Down What Really Happened In Syria, Ken O’Keefe
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcTN6a_Dk3k

                Published on Feb 23, 2016 In this video Luke Rudkowski interviews former marine and outspoken activist Ken O’keefe about the important situation that developed in Syria with global implications. The two go over there research on the topic and share their insights on what led to this geopolitical nightmare and what will proceed it. To find out more about Ken O’Keefe check out

                https://kenokeefe.wordpress.com/

                Thre are many other articles and Hadith tat expose the Satanic Wahhabies and their clones. Beware!

                http://www.islamicfinder.org/articles/article.php?id=75

                This is a brief summary of the signs; there are many books, articles, and cassettes etc., which discuss these in greater detail. May Allah enable us to recognize and heed the Signs, and strengthen us in the times of tribulation.

                “Are they waiting for anything except the Hour, to come to them suddenly? But its Signs have already come!” (Al-Quran, Surah Muhammad)

                13. A trial (fitnah), which will enter every Arab household. ( Look at what is happening in Arabia, supported by the Saudi W

                14. Knowledge will be taken away (by the death of people of knowledge), and ignorance will prevail. ( Look at the Low GMAT scores of Saudi Wahhabi Graduates)

                19. Tribulations (fitan) will prevail. ( Wahhabi Calamity by Satan)

                20. Bloodshed will increase. ( Wahhabi Calamity by the Wahhabis and theit clones, who follow Satan, Iblis and the Great Satan)

                21. A man will pass by the grave of another and wish he was in the latter’s place. ( The Wahhabi suicide idiots)

                22. Trustworthiness will be lost, i.e. when authority is given to those who do not deserve it. ( Given to Wahhabies and their Clones)

                23. People will gather for prayer, but will be unable to find an imam to lead them. (They all would have been killed off by the Wahhabies and their Clones such as ISIS.)

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                J.Deane , RE: Wahhabis are Followers of Satan, Iblis

                The Evidence: No Wonder The Wahhabis have Low GMAT Scores. They Lack critical Thinking.

                Memoirs of Mr. Hempher: Confessions of a British spy

                The Great Game and British Imperialism. Are the Arabs Stupid? Or, were they deceived?

                An early 18th century British spy in the Ottoman lands revealed covert operations designed to spread separatism across the Muslim world.

                http://www.worldbulletin.net/personage/127761/memoirs-of-mr-hempher-confessions-of-a-british-spy

                Ismail Cal / World Bulletin / History

                The Memoirs of Mr. Hempher was an autobiographical account of a British spy who had infiltrated the Ottoman Empire in the early 1700s. In the document, Hempher confesses to a number of plans to destroy the Ottoman Empire by promoting separatism in the Middle-East and thus leave the Muslim world in tatters.

                Hempher was a British spy who had been specially raised and sent to the Ottoman Empire. After receiving an in-depth education in Islam and the Turkish language in Britain, he was sent on his first mission in Istanbul.

                On arrival, after portraying himself as a lonely westerner who had converted to Islam, he came under the tutelage of a scholar known as Sheikh Ahmed. Under his tutelage, he learned Arabic and the Islamic sciences, as well as further enhancing his Turkish.

                Hempher later returned to Britain to be briefed by the British Imperial Ministry. He was then sent on a new mission to Basra, Iraq to study, stir and even provoke new separatist tendencies in the Muslim world. In a place where both Sunni and Shiite Muslims coexist, Basra was the ideal location for this mission.

                According to Hempher, nine other agents like himself were operating in the Ottoman lands. One of these agents went missing in Yemen, while another went missing in Russia. The agent in Egypt abandoned his mission after actually converting to Islam, whereas another agent died while on duty.

                In his memoirs, Hempher details the weak points of the Muslim world, and along with exposing tensions between Sunnis and Shiites, he also explained the formation of a new movement which later became known as Wahhabism.

                One of the most important confessions of Hempher was that the British Imperial Ministry was following political developments in the Muslim world so closely that they had even established a unit to predict new trends.

                The most shocking roles that this unit fulfilled was appointing individuals to operate as copycat covers of the Ottoman sultan and Sheikh-ul-Islam (Grand Mufti), as well as the Safavid ruler, grand vezir and the Shiite spiritual leaders. According to Hempher’s account, these individuals were specially trained the disguised to represent these personalities. Together with their advisers and scribes, they would collect information on their assigned districts.

                In his memoirs, Hempher stated that these units were able to correctly predict the trends and reflexes in the Muslim world seventy-five percent of the time.

                While in the city of Najaf, Hempher posed as a student of knowledge. In one particular instance, he recalled encountering one of these copycat spies, who was posing as a Shiite religious scholar, but at that time Hempher was not aware that the scholar was actually a spy like himself.
                Hempher asked the fake scholar if it was permissible to rebel against a Sunni regime. The scholar replied saying that it was not justified to rebel against a government just because it was Sunni, that all Muslims were brothers and that it would only ever be permissible if the Sunni establishment was subjecting the Muslims to oppression and cruelty within the boundaries of ordaining the good and forbidding the evil.
                Hempher was stunned when he found out that the fake scholar was actually a spy, as he himself was so convinced that he was actually speaking with a Shiite scholar. At the same time he felt proud of the other spy for pulling off such a great act.

                Despite all of this, Hempher still could not contain admitting his admiration for the Qur’an and the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) at certain points in his memoirs.

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                J.Deane and Navin,

                Question: Who is your Savior from Hell Fire?

                This Guy says, it is Satan. May be the Wahhabies and their clones may be saved by Satan, Iblis.

                The trouble with Christianity and With Satan

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfE2rZVmXE

                Uploaded on Apr 14, 2011

                “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.” – Thomas Jefferson

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                J.Deane and Navin,

                ” that the Saudis are a nation of low IQ etc. thus deflecting the reader from the core issue” “His modus operandi Is to hurl profuse abuse at Sheik Muhammad by calling him IBLIS etc, etc. to brainwash the reader that he is evil”

                Does the Data Support that? This Saudi Cleric, Sheik is an Abdul Wahhab following Wahhabi.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ

                Saudi Cleric Says the Sun Rotates Around the Earth

                Published on Feb 19, 2015

                Saudi Arabian cleric Sheikh Bandar al-Khaibari has claimed that the Earth is stationary and the sun rotates around it in a speech he gave to students at a university in the United Arab Emirates on Sunday. The claims have since been mocked by Twitter users and Cambridge University scientists alike. We take a look at video of the Muslim cleric’s attempt to debunk the rotation theory, in this Lip News clip with Elliot Hill and Mark Sovel.

                Muslim scientist says world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth because Quran says so.

                Is he a Wahhabi, like the Saudi Wahhabi?

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g84g2KJcUV0

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              Navin

              “Amarasiri, The Egalitarian Rationalist Philosopher? Would it help you discard your Petrodollar Funded Wahhabi beliefs inspired by the Iblis, Satan. Devil?”

              There were two question marks. One next to Philosopher?, and one next to the Devil?

              Is Amarasiri a Philosopher? is a question for you Wahhabis and their clones following the Satan, Iblis Devil. You dispute that.

              Are the Wahhabiles, Salafies and their Clones Iblis, Satan, Devils? or Devil Followers? This is a question for All Non-Wahhabies, Muslims and Non-Muslims included, all of Humanity, because the Wahhabies ultimately want to kill them All as per Wahhabi Iblisic, Satanic Ideology, as per teachings of the Najdi Abdul Wahhab, the copycat of Ibn Taymiah.

              However, a Philosopher is a Lover of Wisdom. In Greek, Philos=Love and Sophia =Wisdom. In Baghdad, during the Abisaid Era,they had the House of Wisdom, during the Islamic Golden Age. It shoukd be clear to anybody with any common sense that Amarasiri s a lover of wisdom.

              On the other had, there is a mountain of evidence from the Hadith, Islamic Scholars and the actions of the Wahhabi, Salafis, and theit clones such as ISIS, they are in fact followers of the Devil, Iblis, Satan. This answers the Question Marduk next to Devil, Devil?

              Just read Amarasri’s Comments, Izeth Hussein’s Writings, some of his comments and the numerous other references.

              If you are STILL, a Wahhabi Iblis, Satan, Devil Follower, that is being promoted by the Wahhabi Saudi Petrodollars originating from Najd, as per the Hadith of Najd please give up and avoid being burned in Hell Fire along with the Sahaitan, Iblis.

              Read about the Iblis, in Islamic Theology.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

              “Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it.[16] Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity’s inferiority, and justify his act of defiance. For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called “Shaytan” (Satan).”

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                Amarasiri Who

                I am now convinced you are a deranged delusional hallucinating amateur “philosopher” and a charlatan. Prevarication is your modus operandi. Proof of this lies in your deliberate intentional koheda yanne malle pol response to my pointed question.

                Otherwise, why do you refuse tell CT readers what qualifies you to pontificate on every subject under the sun? Obviously you have no education except night school English and access to the internet.

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                  Navin, J. Deane, Abu and other Wahhabies,

                  Here is an interesting survey of Americans about religions. Most do not know theit own religion compared to Agnostics and Atheists.

                  Do the Wahhabies and their Clones know their own claimed Religion Islam? Are thet rerally Muslims? Or are they Satan, Iblis Devil Followers? Did Abdul Wahhab know Islam? Or did he become the Agent of the British?

                  Are religious Americans really this stupid?

                  Are religious Wahhabies really this stupid?

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wifUXxsOPMA

                  Besides, Wahhabism makes you lose your critical thinking skills and makes the Wahhabi stupid.

                  Give up your Wahhabism, before it destroys you and others around you.

                  http://www.conspiracyschool.com/wahhabis

                  Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

                  http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

                  Regression Plot: The regression plot for GMAT scores and L&V’s (2012) Estimated National IQs is shown below.

                  https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png

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                  Navin

                  “I am now convinced you are a deranged delusional hallucinating amateur “philosopher” and a charlatan.”

                  Why don’t you read up on Aristotle, Avicenna, Al -Gazali and Avorroes, and give a summary paragraph on what each advanced.

                  You can then compare that to what the Iblis, Satan, Devil Following Abdul Wahhab, the Ibn Taymiah Copycat preached.

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              Navin and Other Wahhabies, For Your information

              You Say:

              “To imagine Wahhabism, as projected by you, as a threat to a religion founded over a thousand years ago, and its followers of over a billion people, can only be the work of a sick brain. My sincere advice to you Mr Amarasiri Who is to verify your GMAT scores and get medical help for ailments that may come to light.”

              1. Most Wahhabis say that they are not Wahhabies. If you are not a Wahhabi or a Clone, God, Allah SWT, will bless you. You do not need Abdul Wahhab who appeared 1,200 years later, to practice Islam or any other Religion. On Further, inquiry, they, Wahhabies, claim to be Salafis. Practically speaking, Wahhabies and their clones are identical and almost indistinguishable. There is nothing wrong being Muslims, Christians Buddhists , Hindus, Jews etc., but everything is wrong being a Wahhabi, because the follow the Devil, Satan, Iblis and they want to kill every non-Wahhabi.

              http://www.conspiracyschool.com/wahhabis

              The details of this relationship are outlined in a little known document by the name of The Memoirs of Mr. Hempher: A British Spy to the Middle East, said to have been published in series in the German paper Spiegel, and later in a prominent French paper. A Lebanese doctor translated the document to Arabic, from which it was translated to English and other languages. The Memoirs outlines the autobiographical account of Hempher, who claims to have acted as a spy on behalf of the British government, with the mission of seeking ways of undermining the Ottoman Empire. Because, as recorded by Hempher, the two principal concerns of the British government, with regards to its colonies in India, China and the Middle East, were:

              1. To try to retain the places we have already obtained;

              2. To try to take possession of those places we have not obtained yet. For we are the sort of people who have developed the habit of taking a deep breath and being patient.

              Hempher claims to have been one of nine spies sent to the Middle East for such a purpose. He reports, “we were designing long term plans to wage discord, ignorance, poverty, and even diseases in these countries. We were imitating the customs and traditions of these two countries, thus easily concealing our intentions.” The pretext Hempher was offered for his actions was:

              2. GMAT Scores, answer given to Abu, another Wahhabi, on March 7, 2016 at 9:35 pm

              Abu “What’s your GMAT score? You are often repeating stupid questions exposing your own low GMAT score?”

              Amarasiri does not want to insult all the Wahhabi “Muslims” who have been misled by the Iblis Wahhabism, such as in Saudi Arabia, and ending up with low GMAT scores, low critical thinking skills and low intelligence.

              The goal is to rescue the Muslims from the Iblis Satan following Wahhabism, Salafism and their Clones, and prevent them in ending up in hell fire with Iblis, Satan. Amarasiri will give you a simple Algebraic question to answer, except for the lowest of the low Wahhabies, should be able to figure out.

              Amarasiri GMAT Score = (Number of Times Circumambulate for Haj or Umra)x100

              + Number of Times Shaitan, Devil, Jinn is mentioned in the Holy Quran

              + Number of Times Iblis, Devil is mentioned in the Holy Quran + 1.

              Do the Algebra (from Arabic “al-jabr” meaning “reunion of broken parts”). You will get your answer.

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      Navin

      Look up the sky

      Current night sky over Colombo
      This star chart shows the current skies over Colombo. Where is the Sun?

      http://www.astroviewer.com/current-night-sky.php?lon=79.85&lat=6.93&city=Colombo&tz=UTC%2B5.5

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      Navin and other Misled Wahhabies,

      Know the Truth. The Wahhabies must be Exposed, Exposed and Exposed.

      The Iblis Following Abdul Wahhabis actions speak volumes. The Saudi Wahhabis are trying to Whitewash using Agents like Deane.

      The British Conspiracy against the Ottoomans

      Finally, Hempher joined Abdul Wahhab in Najd, who was imparted with the obligations of declaring all Muslims, that is, all who did not follow him, as disbelievers, and announce that it is permitted to kill them, to seize their property, to violate their chastity, and to enslave them and sell them at slave markets. He was to discourage Muslims from obeying the Sultan in Istanbul, and provoke revolt against him. He is to allege that all sacred sites and relics are idols, and that respect of them is tantamount of polytheistic and apostasy, and that they ought to be demolished. He is to do his best to produce occasions for insulting the Prophet Muhammad, his Khalifas, and all prominent scholars of Madhhabs, differing schools of legal interpretation. Finally, he was to do his utmost to encourage insurrections, oppressions and anarchy in Muslim countries.

      http://www.conspiracyschool.com/wahhabis

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      Navin and Other Wahhabies and their Clones

      Wahhabism Exposed.The Followers of Iblis, Satam, Devil

      Wahabism the cancer within Islam created by British spy Hempher.

      And 10 Minutes: From Wahhabism to Daesh.

      Who is behind? British? The Great Satan?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y83NRc4AP_4

      Published on Apr 4, 2012

      Memoirs Of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy To The Middle East is the title of a document that was published in series (episodes) in the German paper Spiegel and later on in a prominent French paper. A Lebanese doctor translated the document to the Arabic language and from there on it was translated to English and other languages. Waqf Ikhlas publications put out and circulated the document in English in hard copy and electronically under the title: Confessions of a British spy and British enmity against Islam. This document reveals the true background of the Wahhabi movement which was innovated by Mohammad bin abdul Wahhab and explains the numerous falsehood they spread in the name of Islam and exposes their role of enmity towards the religion of Islam and towards prophet Mohammad sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam and towards Muslims at large. No wonder the Wahhabis today stand as the backbone of terrorism allowing and financing and planning shedding the blood of Muslims and other innocent people. Their well known history of terrorism as documented in Fitnatul Wahhabiyyah by the mufti of Makkah, Sheikh Ahmad Zayni Dahlan, and their current assassinations and contravention is due to their ill belief that all are blasphemers save themselves. May Allah protect our nation from their evils.

      Wahabism is a cancer within the body of Islam that threatens everyone.

      10 Minutes: From Wahhabism to Daesh

      Published on Dec 9, 2015

      This episode traces the roots of Daesh terrorism to the Wahhabi school of thought which was nurtured and advocated by the Saudi family and Western imperialism since the 18th century.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5eg6k7KAO4

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    Navin and other Misled Wahhabies,

    Know the Truth.

    Bill Maher – America IS a Stupid Country and now there’s proof

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6qIoMjfECo

    Saudi Arabia IS a Stupid Country and now there’s proof

    Regression Plot: The regression plot for GMAT scores and L&V’s (2012) Estimated National IQs is shown below.

    https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png

    PS. Average GMAT Score of American Graduate 532, Turkish, 550, Iran 520, Morocco 509

    Wahhabi Saudi Arabia 311, Wahhabi Cline Afganistan 309

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    Navin and other Misled Wahhabies,

    Your Strange Bedfellows, Indeed.

    Bill Maher on : the hypocrisy of evangelical Christians.

    What about : the hypocrisy of the Wahabies and their clones?

    Uploaded on May 15, 2011
    When evangelical Christians rejoice at Bin Ladens death, what does that say about their belief system?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao_PdmERD_U

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