29 November, 2021

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Who Is A Tamil?

By S. I. Keethaponcalan

Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan

Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan

A few days ago, my review of Laksiri Fernando’s new book entitled Issues of New Constitution Making in Sri Lanka: Towards Ethnic Reconciliation appeared in the Colombo Telegraph. Soma, presumably a pseudonymed CT reader asked, what do you mean by Tamil (people). He/she argued that it is important to clearly define the “Tamil” people in order to proceed with the discussion on the devolution of power. Perhaps, Soma is correct in saying that a precise definition is important, because, often, Tamil analysts use the term loosely and take the definition for granted. I thought that it is an important question and decided to reflect. The opinions expressed are mine and I do not claim that all or most Tamils share my views on this topic.

Who is a Tamil? Soma’s question is restricted to Sri Lanka. However, let us start the discussion with a global perspective. Tamil is an ethnic category, which has been defined mainly by language, although Tamils share many cultural traits. Hence, any person who considers Tamil as his or her mother tongue may be defined as a Tamil. Tamils live all around the world. Since, a distinction needs to be made among these Tamils who live in different parts of the world, sub-ethnic categories have been created. Indian Tamils, Sri Lankan Tamils, and Malaysian Tamils are some of these sub-ethnic categories. Tamils are native to India and Sri Lanka. Hence, in many of these countries often distinctions are made between Indian and Sri Lankan Tamils despite the reality that they may operate as a unified entity. For example, in many host nations Thamil Sangams are formed to bring Tamils from different countries together.

Sri Lankan Muslims

In Sri Lanka the definition remains largely blurred due to socio-political realities and political reasons. The discussion could quickly move to the question whether Muslims in Sri Lanka are Tamils. This issue remains controversial and a cause of contention because opinion greatly differs between (most) Tamils and Muslims on the definition. Many Tamils consider Muslims as Tamils because traditionally a vast majority of Muslims spoke Tamil. Since, they are religiously different from the Hindu Tamils, they are called Islamiyath Thamilar (Muslim Tamils) by some Tamils even today.

Ponnampalam Ramanathan famously argued that Muslims are Islamiyath Thamilar. This notion created serious rift between the two communities. Muslims believed that Tamils have political motives to label them as Tamils. Many Muslims who write about Muslim-Tamil issues often start their analysis from Ramanathan. The label, Islamiyath Thamilar makes the Muslims a subcategory of Tamil. Hence, the resistance.

The Muslims consider themselves as a distinct and independent community different from the Tamils notwithstanding the fact that many of them still speak Tamil. However, they do not treat Tamil as their mother tongue, but a convenient tool used at home. Of course, there may be exceptions to this general rule. The notion that Tamil speaking Muslims are not Tamils may create some conceptual issues because Tamil ethnicity is defined by language. When it comes to the rights of a group of people, concepts are less significant.

Therefore, I subscribe to the idea that Muslims are not Tamils. They are an independent social group defined by religion. Every social group has the right to define it’s identify as it deems fit. The Muslims have the right to define who they are. Tamils trying to define the Muslims identity may make them hegemonic. Therefore, Tamil people, do not include the Muslims. The recognition that Muslims are an independent group has the potential to promote Muslim-Tamil reconciliation.

Another category often used in Sri Lanka is “Tamil speaking people.” This label could also be problematic for two reasons. One, it creates a division within the Muslim community because Muslims now speak Sinhala, Tamil, and English. Two, there is hardly any solidarity between Tamil speaking Muslims and Tamils. It could become a useful category if the Muslims are enthusiastic about it. At this point in time, there is hardly any evidence to suggest that Muslims are enthusiastic about working with the Tamils. The trend could change if the attacks on the Muslims community continue or escalate.

Up-country Tamils

In Sri Lanka, a distinction is also made between Indian (or plantation or up-country) Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils. This distinction is important for two reasons.

One, there are historical differences between the two groups. Sri Lankan Tamils have a very long history in the country. They are native to Sri Lanka. Hence, they are often called indigenous Tamils. If I remember correctly, K.M. de Silva called Sri Lankan Tamils the “Indigenous Tamils.” Some nationalist Sinhalese believe that Sri Lankan Tamils were of recent origin, hence not native to the country. Nevertheless, Indian Tamils were mostly, but not exclusively, brought to work in the plantations during the colonial era.

Two, the issues and concerns of the Indian Tamils or Up-country Tamils are different from the Sri Lankan Tamils. Their problems are mostly social welfare related and could be resolved through administrative means, including administrative decentralization. They do not ask for a separate state and have worked closely with Sri Lankan governments. The Sri Lankan Tamils on the other hand, believe that the North-East Provinces are their “homeland” and they fought for a separate state.

Hence, lumping Indian Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils together under the label “Tamil” would certainly undermine the Indian Tamil’s socio-political welfare. Their issues would become less significant. Therefore, in terms of political discourse, it is important to make a distinction between the Indian Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils. It seems that the Indian Tamils have been increasingly adopting the label Up-country Tamils.

Hence, in view of the devolution debate in general and devolution to the North-East Provinces in particular, the term “Tamil” means “Sri Lankan Tamils,” who live or have roots in the North-East Provinces. However, many analysts often do not include the term “Sri Lankan” when they denote Sri Lankan Tamils, partly, in order to avoid repetition of the term “Sri Lankan.” They (or we) also assume that it is given.

*Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan is Chair of the Conflict Resolution Department, Salisbury University, Maryland.

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    Who is a Tamil?

    A south Indian by origin, language, religion and culture. Some are displaced from South India. Sad.

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      Fathima,

      Excellent! You are a genius and deserve a medal no doubt! Now tell us as to your origin…..

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        Tamil is one who ideally speaks Tamil, identifies himself/herself as a Tamil, and is proud to be Tamil.

        Tamils have a long history and civilization. Originally Tamils were the natives of South India and Sri Lanka and belong to the Dravidian race, culture, and language.

        Veeramamunivar was an European, who became a Tamil scholar and settled in Tamil Nadu, and is identified as a Tamil.

        In modern world to be a Tamil one can be from any race so long as he or she identifies as a Tamil and promotes the well being of Tamils.

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          So, Tamils are every where just like rats.

          Probably Aryans were smarter, so, they occuoied Tamils.

          How come, in Sri lanka they call Thamiz ?

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            Jim,

            I suggest that you plagiarise and make it look like your have written. At least they will be legible rather than putting us through pain with your garbage!

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            HAHA Tamils are everywhere, just like god. They are everywhere (as you admitted) because it is the oldest civilization in the world, as you admitted in your other post.

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            btw dumb ass they are not called Tamiz.

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          So Thiru, are you admitting that you are the closest Relative to the First Human that Originated in a tribe in Africa?

          You can trace it back by Analysing your DNA.

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        Burning Issue
        Fathima Fu……s…comes from the Toilets of Hamba…..tota and Medamullas Shit Pits.
        Otherwise no educated person would dare to write garbage like his utterances.

        These brainless imbeciles are speaking for our country which used to boast of 92% Literacy

        Also was strong in Economy , Education soon after the Independence before the RACIST BANDA POISONED THE MINDS OF THE LIKES OF FOOKUSHIMA IDIOT HAD DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY.

        NOW WRITES NOTHING WORTH TO READ OR IMPROVE OUR COUNTRY. IDIOT ….. IMBECILE BRAINDEAD MORON.

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        Her actual origin is from either Karaikuddi or Nagoor in Tamil Nadu but she only dreams about the deserts of Arabia, as her parents have told her too many Arabian Night fairy tales

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        Ever wondered why 100 million Tamils around the world have NO COUNTRY of their own?

        Who used TAMIL at the UN for the FIRST and LAST time? Mahintha Rajafucksa while killing Tamils in 2008.

        How sad is that!

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          There are more Sigh around the world than Tamils and they do not have a country of their own. What is your point, if you have one?

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      Fathima Fukushima in a deliberate attempt to hide her ancestral origin in a hurry labels all Sri Lankan Tamils as “A south Indian by origin, language, religion and culture. Some are displaced from South India” – very typical of rich Muslims living out side North and East.
      Contradicting the above mindset Many Islamiyath Thamilar, particularly from East had and have been contributing immensely, for the SRI LANKAN TAMIL LITERATURE, Uthumalebbai, and Umarupulavar are quite good examples of the past. Present day there are many, Therefore Islamiyath Thamilar cannot be made or called subcategory of Tamil, they are also Tamils who follows Islam Faith!

      Cool Fathima Fukushima Cool!

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      Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan

      RE: Who Is A Tamil?

      “He/she argued that it is important to clearly define the “Tamil” people in order to proceed with the discussion on the devolution of power.”

      Who is a Sinhala? Who is a Muslim? Who is a Para?

      Up-country Tamils
      “One, there are historical differences between the two groups. Sri Lankan Tamils have a very long history in the country. They are native to Sri Lanka. Hence, they are often called indigenous Tamils. If I remember correctly, K.M. de Silva called Sri Lankan Tamils the “Indigenous Tamils.” Some nationalist Sinhalese believe that Sri Lankan Tamils were of recent origin, hence not native to the country. Nevertheless, Indian Tamils were mostly, but not exclusively, brought to work in the plantations during the colonial era.”

      Q. Who are these people, the Sinhala, Tamils, Muslims, Up Country Tamils etc. in the Land of Native Veddah Aethoo?

      A. They All are Paras, Paradeshis in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho, who came by Hoa-Oru, Kalla-thoni and Illegal boats to the pristine land of Native Veddah Aethho, to destroy the it and major a mess of it.

      They are Para-Sinhala, Para-Tamils, Para-Muslims, Para-Portuguese, Para-Malays, Para-Dutch, Para-English, Para-uddgo, Para-Chinese and other Paras.

      Who cursed the Land to the Paras?

      The Vedda Tribe

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f89NuukY32U&t=51s

      Tamil-speaking Veddas of Vaharai await war recovery support

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeFCuZwexRw&t=2s

      Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people: their relations within the island and with the Indian subcontinental populations

      Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

      http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v59/n1/full/jhg2013112a.html

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      who are ISIS?

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      Answering the question is no easy.

      If a SINHALEs would have lived in a place where Tamil language and the culture is there, he could also have been identified as a tamil.
      There is no such Tamil or Sinhala or other identification codes by today. We are all the same whose blood is red and same homo sapien blood.
      Just for some superficial reasons, to fall apart is stupid. We had wars that took more lives of the innocient than the ones realy created the harm – LET alone today, we should see it right.
      Peace for all. Siyalu Sathwayo Niduk Wethwa Neerogi Wethwa.

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        Brilliant answer, Seelawathie.

        When I saw the article, I thought that I’d better avoid commenting. The article itself seems reasonable (I didn’t read all that carefully). I now always refer to the Tamils who live in Uva as “Up-country Tamils”, surely the least offensive way of talking about them.

        Seelawathie, I do hope you start using the spell-check though. Surely you see words underlined in red; just why don’t you work out why. At the moment I spot three such words in my posting box; your name accounts for two, and the name of my Province. I know that I have got to let them remain red.

        How are we going to answer any question, or solve any problem, if we are so careless?

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          I think it is a highly commendable step a code of ethics as a guidance is about to be introduced to the law makers soon warning how they have to behave inthe parliament future.

          That is one of the most valuable steps about to be taken by the new regime. So that can become good examples to the folks.

          First to educate the parliamentarians then its people.

          Each time travelling to the country, I get shocked the way hearing more of the rude Sinhala words being used in formal sessions of the country today.

          Few of the them are: Even women are used to use “Machan when talking informal manner”.
          Malapaninawa
          Elakiri
          Malkadanawa.
          None of these were known to me 3 decades ago in the country.

          Words can cause all kind of conflicts- if we are not trained to use them diplomatically. Hateful public statements could easily creat new conflicts – that NONE of us wish to have any further.

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          Sinhala_Man

          “How are we going to answer any question, or solve any problem, if we are so careless?”

          You are rest assured as South Asians we are not interested in solving any problems we currently have. Instead, we create more problems not only for us but for the future generations as well.

          The reason is that we believe we don’t make any mistake, we don’t see any our own mistakes, we don’t accept we have made mistakes, we don’t apologize for our mistakes, ….. we don’t avoid the same mistakes again, …. we are happy as we are, ….

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            Yes, that is a problem, although I see a few punctuation errors and other infelicities in my own comment. That is for reasons which I have put in clumsily and at great length on the article on traffic, just below.

            I got to be in the cop-shed early tomorrow morning and off to Colombo later. I was to go today. What I mean to say is that we don’t sometimes see all the problems another guy has; but yes, I fully agree with your observation.

            But before hitting the pillow, I think that I must look at all the comments that seem to be flowing in on this topic. I guess it is a subject which has to be tackled seriously.

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              Yes Sinhala_Man,
              in today s environment – even highly serious issues are being discussed as they are busy with usual gossipy at the fence.
              On the west, if anyone added the kind of hurtful statement causing the communities mental damages, they take the actions wihtout delay. Lankens are upto to abuse their wording at this critical juncture of lanken discussions. Discussions should be there but authorities and media men should be well alert what to be discussed and what not.

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      Fathima where does Vijay come from?

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        Raj

        “Fathima where does Vijay come from?”

        Vijay is a Paradeshi, Para and apparetly he came from Bharat, India, Damba-Diva, illegally by Hora-Oru, Kalla-Thoni, Illegal Boats as per Mahaweamsa.

        Vijay is a Para is supported by genetic studies.

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      We are sorry for you – higher percentages of females among muslims are the proved to be the illiterate in this planet. I have met morroccans they keep arguing about their culture but just 1 out of 10 among the females can read and write. So is the case in Pakistan and Bangaladesh. I really dont know the numbers srilanka.
      I believe you should be from a foreign country to see things this way. Good luck Fathima Pukasudu.

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        Sama

        50 years ago they were TOTALLY illustrate. They must be infinitely grateful to US for educating them, and providing health facilities. On the other hand we had Tamils from Jaffna as science teachers whom we fondly remember. Greater percentage of doctors and other professionals (including judges) were Tamils who served with dedication and honesty.

        Unfortunately the more a Muslim gets educated the more he/she becomes fundamentalist.

        Soma

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          Soma,

          this has nothing to do with ISLAM but more with islamic life styles. I dont think Pakistan muslims living in UK corners-ghetto life styles, produce more illiterates as is the case in main land Pakistan and Morrocco. Even yesterday we discussed that most among the rising criminal youth in the UK of today come from migrant communities. Among them the place given to Pakistan youth in the uk is reached to all appalling levels.

          So this also makes us the buddhists clear not the religions but the ways they practise it make it what they are. Actually lankens indicators should only be comparable of the like minded nations/countries.
          Alone the statistics of predominatnely islamic Malaysia prove it well.

          Ethnic groups
          50.1% Malay
          22.6% Chinese
          11.8% Indigenous
          6.7% Indian
          8.8% other
          Religion
          61.3% Sunni Islam (official)
          19.8% Buddhist
          9.2% Christian
          6.2% Hindu
          3.4% other

          The female literacy is also very high in Malaysia. Most of female students get their uni education in UK.

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      Fathima Fukushima

      RE: Who Is A Tamil?

      Who are Tamil People? Who are Sinhala People? Paras from Baharat, India.

      The Tamil people are an ethnic group from South Asia. They have a written history of more than 2,000 years. Traditionally, they have been living in the southern parts of India, and the northeastern parts of Sri Lanka.

      The Tamil people number around 74 million in the world. Of that, there are about 63,000,000 in India; about 3,600,000 live in Sri Lanka; about 1,500,000 live in Malaysia; and about 250,000 live in Singapore. The remaining Tamil people live in many other places. Other peoples are related to the Tamil people by language, culture, and ancestry. Some of them are Brahui people, Kannadigas, Malayalis, Telugu people, Tuluvas, and Gonds.

      Tamil people identify themselves with their language, Tamil. In recent times, they have broadened the definition of Tamil people. They now also include descendants of Tamil speaking people even when they no longer speak Tamil language.

      “They now also include descendants of Tamil speaking people even when they no longer speak Tamil language.”

      https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_people

      So, the above definition will include those who have genes that can be traced to the gene pool of Tamil People from South India.

      Since the Sinhala can trace their genes to South India like the Tamil, the Sinhala can trace as descendants of Tamil People. Therefore, by definition, the Sinhala are also Tamils.

      So the Sinhala, or rather the Para-Sinhala are Sinhala speaking Tamils or Para-Sinhala Speaking Para-Tamils, in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

      Reference:

      Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people: their relations within the island and with the Indian subcontinental populations

      Journal of Human Genetics 59, 28-36 (January 2014) | doi:10.1038/jhg.2013.112

      Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

      http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v59/n1/full/jhg2013112a.html

      The Vedda Tribe

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f89NuukY32U

      Tamil-speaking Veddas of Vaharai await war recovery support

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeFCuZwexRw

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      Just like your fake Moor Dravidian Tamil Muslims ancestors got displaced from South India and had to flee to the island in Marrakallams. Sad too.

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        Rohan

        “Just like your fake Moor Dravidian Tamil Muslims ancestors got displaced from South India and had to flee to the island in Marrakallams.”

        Are you sure they fled on Marrakallams and not on Matalai?

        Or on

        Ampi, Punai, Pinai, Timil,
        Navay, Vankam, Kalam, Thoni,
        Otam, Pataku, Mitavai, Teppam,
        Kaipparicu, Kappal, Conku, Cannatam,
        Vallam, Calattati, Vanci, Koccuvallam,
        Katavutoni, Kevutoni, kattatutoni, Tolotam,
        Kappal, Taranai, Kallapataku (piracy), Kallakappal, Iruttukutivallam, ….. Pila Oru, Angula, Yathra Dhoni,
        Paru, Ma-dal-paru, Theppam, Kattumaram, Pahura, …..

        Please find out.

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          Found out it was in Marrakallams that is why the Sinhalese call them Marrakallayo. Fatima has a little wooden replica of the Marrakallam( wooden vessel) that her ancestors fled on. It is their family treasure.

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        Rohan

        That is true for All the Para, Para-Sinhala, Para-Tamils, Para-Muslims,Para-Portuguese etc. in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

        The Vedda Tribe

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f89NuukY32U

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    [Edited out]

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    Dr. Keethaponcalan,
    Isn’t it a rather mute point to define “Who is a Tamil”? Even in a discussion on on the devolution of power, the issue is about ‘devolution of power to the Provinces’ (not to Tamils per se), therefore the ethnicity definition is not important.
    In the Constitution debate, what is paramountly important is a definition of “Buddhism” and “Buddha Sasana”. These terms are referred to in the present Contitution and the debate is about it’s relevance. There are many instances of discrimination in statutes as well as social, that is carried out presently, based on the various interpretations of these terms.
    Could you please provide your views on this and inclusion of Chapter II in the Contitution.

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      Tamils are on earth since the times of Dinosaurs. Now only they have a name to identify them and they call thamiz. South Indian Tamils use a English mixed Dialect as their neighbloours language “HIndi” had wrecked them.

      Now who is Tamil, a different kind from thamiz ?

      How did Sinhala culture and Buddhist civilization in the country lanka aka Sinhale with the influence of North INdian culture ?

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        jim softy the Dimwit

        “Now who is Tamil, a different kind from thamiz ?”

        Tamils are the descendants of kallathonies from South India who haven’t converted to Sinhala/Buddhism.

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          Native Vedda

          “Tamils are the descendants of kallathonies from South India who haven’t converted to Sinhala/Buddhism. “

          Yes. There is genetic support for that.

          Through a comparison with the mtDNA HVS-1 and part of HVS-2 of Indian database, both Tamils and Sinhalese clusters were affiliated with Indian subcontinent populations than Vedda people who are believed to be the native population of the island of Sri Lanka.

          http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v59/n1/full/jhg2013112a.html

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        Scientists were wondering the missing link between the monkeys and humans. Sihalsese are the missing link – not quite humans but think and behave like monkeys

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          aj

          “Sihalsese are the missing link – not quite humans but think and behave like monkeys”

          You are wrong.

          The Sinhala/Buddhists believe the first ape spoke Sinhala and practiced Buddhism (well before Buddha was born)

          The Tamil/Saivaites believe the first ape spoke Tamil and practiced Saivaism well before stone age.

          The Latin Christians believe the first ape spoke Latin and practiced Christianity well before Jesus was born.

          The Arab Muslim believe, they have no memory of being an Ape, they didn’t exist until Allah revealed Islam to Prophet Mohamed.

          jim softy the dimwit believes he was the first ape.

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        What matters is not that anyone is tamil or singhalese -but each of them have a healthy brain to filter racism accordingly. Lankens would have been an exemplary nation -had they been free from Eusense, Jimorbumsofty, Sumbanbalusekaras or the like

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    Dr.Geethaponcalan.

    Soma has asked you an apparently innocuous question and you have taken the trouble to clarify.
    Will Soma[Somasiri,Somapala or Somasunderam or whatever] answer the question who is a Sinhalese?
    Soma is a fundamental thinker like Einstein.
    Her oops His eternal worry is what will happen to those Tamils,living outside the North-East in the event that a Separate State comes into being.Will they move over there?
    To my knowledge no one has answered this deadly question of Soma!!!

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      Plato,

      According to soma, east is not part of the deal because there is no agreement to handover east. This is why I asked the question what about the eastern Tamils. Will he eject them too? It is clear that he wants the Tamils who live in the South to leave but he has no clear plan for the eastern Tamils yet. He is back to the drawing board!

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        Actually I think that if there is a division the Tamils in the North will move to the south as fast as they can in order to avoid the idiots who will pose as their leaders…The south of course has a long history of cosmopolitanism with a strong european genetic element in the natives of the central highlands and a few Tamils moving southwards – along with their capital and expertise – will be very welcome…

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      Thank you so much Plato. Only you have acknowledged to have understood Soma’s infinitely repeated question.

      Soma

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        soma

        Don’t lie.

        I have suggested several solutions to your paranoia driven nonexistent problem including sending you and your brethren back to South India and rest of us might also consider giving you a plot of land where you could build your Sinhala/Buddhist Aryan Ghetto, in Matara near the birthplace of the public racist Anagarika Dharmapala (the homeless one).

        Please do get on with your building work. We cannot wait any longer for you to declare your Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI).

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          Native Vedda

          “I have suggested several solutions to your paranoia driven nonexistent problem including sending you and your brethren back to South India “

          That will be great. The Paras suffering from paranoia, belongs in South India, not in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

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      Plato

      “Will they move over there? “

      My eternal worry is will they NOT move over there?

      Once a separate political unit for Hindu and Christian Tamils is formed Sri Lanka will be ‘Balcanized’ within a decade.

      That is why I always say:

      Federal Sri Lankka will need huge military resources to keep it federal.

      Soma

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      Smart Native Veddo:

      So, Some Tamils did not like Tamil. So, they created Sinhala, and there were not Sinhala people in Sinhale.

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        Tamils are everywhere like god. That god created Sinhalese using poison ivy, that is why Sinhalese have poison running in their body compared to other species.

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      Why He is not identifying Tamils in the East as a separate group. Probably, he considers, they are and the upcountry Tamils are the same.

      Tamils of east are only to be slaves to Tamil in Jaffnisthan.

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        You admitted in your other posts that Tamils in the east have different identity. why are you changingy our story now

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      Plato, you may be day dreaming. As my info are updated, I heard today tamil representative inthe north saying no for separate country but for more power devolution right? In that context, you guys to reverse their thoughts – should be connected to some mental problems of yours rather than theirs.
      The question being raised here about tamils not about separation of the country is other point.
      I have been in close association with tamils living out of the country – most among them consider not the thoguths of majority of the country. They just want tamils to be treated as srilanken. That is it. We the sinhalayas too should start learning langague and their culture so that our future generations will not face what we went through over the last 30 long years. Everyone of the country knew somebody who got injured, went missing or dead by the brutal civil war.

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      Majority of Indigenous Tamils will move to North and East if Independence is achieved as the administrative and economic centers will shift to those places. If after living since birth for 44 years in Colombo I could sell my properties for a song, forgo my pension and migrate to UK, to start a new life from the beginning, I do not see any reason why majority of indigenous Tamils will do the same to move to their homeland where they could live in dignity and safety.

      90% of Tamils living in the south being Tamils of recent origin will have to decide for themselves what to do. Certainly Sinhalese are not going to do their job in plantation sector for the poor pay, difficult terrain and paltry living conditions. Some of them who settled in north and east after being ejected from their homes in 1973, were forcibly evicted from north and east in 1983 and dumped in upcountry areas.

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    Muslims are clever, whatever language they speak they are still globally called Muslims.

    We Tamils should not have gone by the language we speak. We should be called Hindus, Christian etc!Same should apply to the Singhalese. Then we would not have had these language wars!

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      “Muslims are clever, whatever language they speak they are still globally called Muslims.”

      Not always.
      They stress language identity in Tamilnadu and Kerala. the Muslim minority in China has a name but no religious tag.
      The Balinese, Javan etc. go by their regional identity.
      There are many more examples.
      Most of all the Arabs: the Palestinians are all Palestinians for a start.
      the list is long.
      Often, the religious label comes in when they are a harassed religious minority.

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        sekara

        “Often, the religious label comes in when they are a harassed religious minority.”

        True but it is not the whole truth.

        Since mid-1970s the new found wealth gave Saudi a new edge to interfere in other countries where Muslims have a substantial presence.

        It provided employment for third world labour, financed war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, … provided arms, … helped to build new madrassas and Mosques, culturally influencing Muslim communities in other countries, its Arabisation through back door.

        The Saudis now assert themselves as the regional power in East and Northern Middle East. The signs are that their usefulness to the hegemonic powers seems coming to an end.

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    As long as you understand very clearly that no one can be born a Tamil or a Singhalese or a Muslim or whatever…then you will make sense…

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      “no one can be born a Tamil “

      Why weren’t you made the President of Royal Society – Venkat??

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    The moment we label ourselves we create a difference between ourselves and the other. It is very unhealthy and the cause of all wars.

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      Paul, you are correct.
      This has been the problem in this country since independence. Most people (including many commentators here) are barking up the wrong tree.
      What we are taking about here is ‘Issues of New Constitution Making in Sri Lanka: Towards Ethnic Reconciliation’. Constitution making is about defining the CITIZEN and his/her Rights & Responsibilities. Instead it seems that everyone is trying to label themselves on ethnicity/religion/language. This will only lead to another failed Constitution like the ones we have had.
      It is time to think about defining the CITIZEN, where every citizen is equal and having the same Rights & Responsibilities.
      Ethnicity/religion/Language has no place and should not even be mentioned in a democratic constitution.

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      Paul

      “The moment we label ourselves we create a difference between ourselves and the other.”

      People have multiple identities.

      Respect their different identities, which may be conducive to create unity in diversity.

      Packaging diverse identities into one brand does not reflect the nature of an individual. Who defines what identity one should have? A moron perhaps.

      Social engineering leads to disasters. We haven’t recovered from the one that was engineered in the 1950s.

      Leave the people alone, let them express their identity the way they think right for them.

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        Native, you define yourself as a Tamil (or Veddah!). I too define myself. Being human is the only identity we need.

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          Paul

          “Native, you define yourself as a Tamil (or Veddah!).”

          Please don’t put words into my mouth.

          I have my multiple identities and am happy about it.

          “I too define myself. Being human is the only identity we need.”

          Wouldn’t you identify as an engineer, doctor, accountant, lawyer … and through your weight around.

          Wouldn’t you assure your mates, relatives, …. your affiliation to certain faith?

          Wouldn’t you call yourself a lion if you are a member of Lions Club?

          Wouldn’t you identify yourself with a particular political party?

          ………

          ………

          Wouldn’t your children call you dad or mum?

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        Hi freinds,

        “Packaging diverse identities into one brand does not reflect the nature of an individual. Who defines what identity one should have? A moron perhaps. “

        Yes – here the most known example of the day- MAHINDA RAJAPAKSHE:

        In peace of mind there is neither loss nor gain.

        http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/jataka_p.pdf

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    you can change your religion or sex but not your language identity, even though you are hesitating to speak that language or not knowing that language or speaking a creole language.

    E.g. South African Tamils, Caribbean Tamils, Telugus & Kannadigas of Tamil Nadu.

    Language of Catholic Sinhalese is surely Sinhalese.

    Language of Tamil Muslims in India is surely not Arab. likewise.

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    A Tamil is a stateless migrant trying to grab someone else’s land. An ungrateful, greedy , grabby , blood-thirsty , insatiated and always looking for trouble meagalomaniac.

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      You should be an idiot really.. no doubt about that.
      Tamils born in srilanka belong srilanka. Even others came later as Suddas or other nationalities, have the right to claim to e srilankens.
      We the srilanken after our education stayed back in Europe. We have the same rights as the locals of these countries. You buggers not having the least knowledge of the basics about citizens rights, make efforts to add your two cts to this valuable forum. Please educate yourself before coming to add your thougths that could hurt minorities. We really dont want the kind of SInhalaya be part of srilanken community.

      If they too are srilankens, why should they be grateful to you? Or your radical politicians. Get a life man. You are out of the topic.

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      soul of Lanka

      This island lost it’s soul the day the public racist Anagarika Dharmapala (the homeless one) was born.

      Where did you buy yours? Did you buy them from black market?

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      Are describing Vijaya of Mahavamsa and his 500 friends who were stateless boat people and grabbed the land of the Naga and Yakka or the low caste Tamil ancestors of the Sinhalese Karawa, Salagma and Durawa who now make up 50% of the present day Sinhalese

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      A Sinhalese is a descendent of bestiality that took place in some cave in Bengal which explains his blood lust as also evidenced by the fact the nation he created only makes the international headlines for mass murder and war crimes. He’s a refugee who was exiled by his ancestors for being a troublemaker. When he landed in Lanka, his nature did not disappear, as you can take a beast out of a jungle but you can’t take the jungle out of a beast, hence he continues to be a troublemaker and making everyone else in the island the refugees ever since. He’s an uneducated barbarian who instead of bettering himself scapegoats successful hard-working Tamils for his own failure and loots their properties and businesses for free stuffs. This entitled mentality has driven him to steal and occupy lands of Tamils with the help of his army of sexual predators.
      He celebrates rapists and mass murderers as war heroes; venerates saffron-clad kiddy fiddlers as holy men; indiscriminately bombs his own citizens by the thousands within a matter of weeks and calls it a humanitarian rescue operation.

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    /*

    Tamils are native to India and Sri Lanka.

    */

    India you idiot. Only India.

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      and Sinhalese sprang directly out of Sri Lankan soil as opposed to their origin myths of human-beast hybridisation in the caves of Bengal.

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        Sinhala landed same time as Tamils landed in Tamil Nadu from Africa you donkey.

        Now take a hike there without burdening the country that do not want you.

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          oh i see. I guess the pure Aryan Sinhalese must have died out then because mostly the black sinhalese and their bastardised dravidian culture exist today.

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      Yes we know your so called Sinhalese De Silva Salagama Karawa ancestors migrated from Tamil Nadu India. Only from Tamil Nadu India. This is why you like most Sinhalese are obsessed with Tamil Nadu and India

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    “Who Is A Tamil?”

    Someone who feels he/she/nondescript is Tamil.

    I don’t feel Sinhalese. I don’t feel Sri Lankan.

    Occasionally I feel human.

    TO A POET
    A THOUSAND YEARS HENCE

    I who am dead a thousand years,
    And wrote this sweet archaic song,
    Send you my words for messengers
    The way I shall not pass along.

    I care not if you bridge the seas,
    Or ride secure the cruel sky,
    Or build consummate palaces
    Of metal or of masonry.

    But have you wine and music still,
    And statues and a bright-eyed love,
    And foolish thoughts of good and ill,
    And prayers to them who sit above?

    James Elroy Flecker

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      nimal fernando

      “I don’t feel Sinhalese. I don’t feel Sri Lankan.”

      However, you feel like “Ravindra Wijegunaratne”

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        Native,

        Who the hell is “Ravindra Wijegunaratne”

        Loosen up, man. Don’t be so uptight.

        Lanka is such a bleak place, we have to find entertainment where we can.

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    Who is a Tamil?

    Tamils have a long history, traditions, dwelling places, & customs.

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    Tamil, Sinhala, English, French and so on are languages and that is where the distinction should stop. Similarly religion, like language is also picked up long after one is born, depending on the upbringing, social influences and so on. Language and religion are man-made so the actual definition should stop at a human male or human female. The rest including but not limited to language, religion, other beliefs, political stance, country which one lives in and so on are chosen by the individual.

    For instance, if a baby belonging to a couple (that speaks Sinhala) is taken away to a country where the foster parents speak German (at a small age), the child will learn to speak German as the kid is being taught to do so and unless Sinhala is also being taught, the kid will not speak or understand Sinhala. The same thing will happen with regard to culture and so on. Whatever the foster parents teach and whatever the social influences in Germany will dictate how the kid grows up.

    With that being said, however, it is very difficult to challenge existing preconceptions when the general population is not too bright to begin with.

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    Muslims always want to be different and have more loyalty to their Arab masters than to their native cultures. In south Asia, they created two countries based on their religion which is not native to south asia, resulting in millions of death. In Lanka, most Muslims are of south indian origin but they deny it (or pretend to be Arabs) and they are the only group to base their ethnic identity on a religion.

    You can change your religion but you can’t change your race. Ethnic identities should be prioritised before religious ones. Dark skinned Lankan Muslims would not be treated as equals in the middle east.

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      Sinhala Propaganda!

      There are plenty of dark-skinned Muslims in West Asia and Africa.

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        There are. Many have African blood,as slavery was common and was only banned fairly recently. Even the full blooded Arabs with dark skin have different features from the South Indian Dravidian origin Sri Lankan Muslims. They still look Arab.

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      Sinhala Porpaganda,

      I think you should have been born yesterday.
      Do you know how many of the afro folks are muslims ?
      How many of the Indonesians are muslims – the largest muslim population in the world – out of them most of them are of the same skin colour as ours. We the sinhalaya are always not of fair complexion. All these are the facts. Besides, we must not need to go after race or other factors that devide us further. We are all srilankens basta.
      Let anyone to go after any religions depending on their likes – be it inherited or otherwise. Most of us the budddhist are also just born buddhists as some intelligent commentators repeated on this forum.
      You guys make every effort to create a problem from nothing.
      Please educate yourself before going to look down upon the fellow country men. That can then guide you to a complete man.
      Thanks.
      Srilanken Sinhala Association/Bonn

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        The average Indonesian is still much lighter skinned than an average Sinhalese or Tamil and they all have Malay features, however 99% of the Sri Lankan Muslims light or dark skinned have Dravidian Indian features that show their Indian(Tamil )origin. Only a small percentage of them look like Arab. Lots of non Muslim in Sri Lanka also have Arab and other blood. This does not mean they are Arabs or European too.
        Muslims in Sri Lanka are Tamil by ethnicity and Muslim by religion. They have every right to be separate if they want to. However this separate identity is solely based on religion and not on race/ethnicity.
        Many here are mixing up religious identity and ethnic identity. You can change your religion and then your religious identity will change however you ethnic identity heritage origin and where you came or your ancestry family origin never changes. Just because you convert and change your religion and name does not mean your race/ethnicity has changed. This means most Sinhalese with Portuguese surnames should be Portuguese.
        The Muslims of Sri Lanka are cunningly trying to use their religion to change their ethnicity from Tamil to Moor. They have nothing to do with Moors or Arabs. Being Muslim does not make you Moorish or Arab just like being Christian does not make you Jewish or European.
        They are trying to take advantage of incorrect name that the Portuguese gave to all South Asian Muslims, that every other South Asian Muslim community has discarded. Moor. Prior to their travels the only Muslims the Christian Portuguese ever encountered were the Moors of North Africa who ruled the Iberian peninsular for centuries. Therefore they started to call every Muslim they met during their travels as Moor. Just like they called the Sinhalese Siamese as they were Buddhist like the Siamese.
        Nowhere in the world has religion been used to define ethnicity only is Sri Lanka to divide and rule the Tamils.

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          SSS, thanks and very informative for all that have no in mind but jumped it to add their thoughts to this site.

          May I please add few more it terms of their arab connections:

          Arab origin:

          Another view suggests that the Arab traders, however, adopted the Tamil language only after settling in Sri Lanka.This version claims that the features of Sri Lankan Moors as different from that of Tamils; they commonly have lighter skin tone and hair color. Thus, some scholars classify the Sri Lankan Moors and Tamils as two distinct ethnic groups, who speak the same language.This view is dominantly held by the Sinhalese favoring section of the Moors as well as the Sri Lankan government which lists the Moors as a separate ethnic community. However, a study on genetic variation indicates, an only below average genetic relationship between Arabs and the Moors.

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          East Coast Moors
          In the eastern provinces of the country Muslims are predominant. These Muslims were settled on land given by the Sinhalese King Senarat of Kandy after the Muslims were persecuted by the Portuguese.East coast Sri Lankan Moors are primarily farmers, fishermen, and traders. According to the controversial census of 2007, the Moors are 5% (only Moors, not the entire Muslim population of the eastern province). Their family lines are traced through women, as in kinship systems of the southwest Indian state of Kerala, but they govern themselves through Islamic law.

          West Coast Moors
          Many moors in the west of the island are traders, professionals or civil servants and are mainly concentrated in Colombo, Kalutara, Beruwala, Dharga Town, Puttalam, Jaffna and Mannar. Moors in the west coast trace their family lines through their father. Along with those in the Central Province, the surname of many Moors in Colombo, Kalutara and Puttalam is their fathers first name, thus retaining similarity to the traditional Arab and middle eastern kinship system.

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            In the eastern province the Tamils are still the largest community not the Muslims and the TNA won the largest amount of votes on an individual party basis and should have been allowed to form a government by right. This despite all the large scale killing and ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Tamils. If the Tamil refugees from India return to the island, the east will have a Tamil majority as the vast majority of them are from Trincomallee.
            The east is ancient Tamil Hindu land not Sinhalese or Muslim. Everything ancient in the east is Tamil Hindu or Buddhist( the Buddhist ruins are Tamil many Mahayana and Sinhalese were never Mahayana Buddhists). The Sinhalese only arrived in the east after 1948, the vast majority in the 1970s during the era of anti Tamil Srimavo and that evil Badudeen Mohammed. The Sinhalese were deliberately settled on stolen and ethnically cleansed Tamil lands.

            There are no ancient Sinhalese lands in the east. Whatever is now Sinhalese in the east is not ancient but very new and was stolen from the Tamils by the Sinhalese government and armed forces and given to Sinhalese from the south.

            The Muslims only arrived in the Tamil Hindu east as refugees and asylum seekers, just like many are now doing in the western countries, fleeing Portuguese persecution along the western coast and later Sinhalese persecution in the central provinces, where they first fled. The Sinhalese never gave them refuge but hit killed and chased them away.
            At that time parts of the east came under the loose rule of the kingdom of Kandy. These kings were not Sinhalese but from South Indian dynasties. However the real rulers of the east were the Tamil Vannimanai chieftains. King Senarath requested the Tamil chiefs of the east to give asylum and a place to live for these Tamil Muslims fleeing from the west, as the Sinhalese did not want them in their lands and were now persecuting them.
            The Tamil chiefs agreed and settled many of these Muslim refugee men in certain villages in the east away from the indigenous Tamil Hindu villages.

            None of these lands were Sinhalese, as there were no Sinhalese in the east and they chased these Muslims from the central province as they did not want them. Stop lying.

            The Tamil chiefs not only gave these Tamil Muslim refugees a place to live and cultivate but also Tamil Hindu Mukkuva women as wives to start a family and get established, as the vast majority of these Muslim refugees who fled to the Tamil east were only men, just like many of the Muslim refugees and asylum seekers now fleeing to the western nations. The Tamil chiefs would never have given Tamil women, if these Muslim men were not Tamil and these women also would not have agreed to marry a man who could not speak to her or was not from her community. This is why the Muslims in the east follow the eastern Tamil Mukkuva matriarchal system and the eastern Mukkuva law as their female ancestors were all Tamil Hindu Mukkuva women from the east.

            These Muslims from the east and the north are very different from the Muslims in the south. They are 100% Tamil in everyway. These southern Muslims do not care for them and also do not want them to live in peace and harmony with their fellow Tamils, whilst they want to live in amity with their Sinhalese neighbours but want to use them to create problems for the Tamils and then through this gain favours and advantages from the Sinhalese. This is the reason they always get worried if the Muslims in the east and north join with their fellow Tamils, as they loose their biggest trump card to gains favours from the Sinhalese. This why you see all these articles about the east and the fear of federated north and east, as their hold on these very Tamil Muslims from the north and east will cease and they will be left in the lurch to face Sinhalese racism on their own, with no means to blackmail.

            Until the late 19th century Muslims were not allowed to own land in the island. As they were considered outside immigrants. Only the Sinhalese and Tamils were allowed to own land. The British repealed this law. Even up to the late 1970s most of the land in the east was owned by Tamil Hindu landlords. Muslims had to lease the land from Tamil landlords. Again it was only during the anti Tamil women Srimavo and that demon Badudeen era, this changed. The deliberate marginalisation of Tamils in the east began in earnest and many of them were threatened and forced to sell their lands. This is even happening now in the east.
            Do not try to rewrite history.

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        Black African were enslaved by Muslim Arabs which was much more brutal than the transatlantic slave trade. Blacks are slurred as ‘Abeed’ by Arabs which means slave. Look how dark skinned south asian migrant workers are treated in Arab countries; regardless of their religion they are all crammed into slums and treated like dirt by their arab masters.

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    It is a label given to a newborn (human being) by his or her parents/caretakers. There is nothing else but a fake identity.

    Suppose I am a newborn baby born to Sinhalese (speaking) parents but ‘mixed up’ in a remote Vavuniya hospital with a baby born to Tamil (speaking) parents, who am I? I’m a Tamil by identity but a Sinhalese by origin. This is why Tamils and Sinhalese or any other ethnic group should not try to bring their ethnicity forward when it comes to nationally important issues.

    However, we do need this identity to survive in this world where the theory of ‘survival of the fittest’ dominates, and is practiced and promoted just like democracy. When we practice and promote something controversial, complex, and has no definite value we should extremely be careful of its limits, limitations, as well as advantages.

    Democracy is called the worst kind of government but it is the best among the worst.
    Only thing we could do is to promote understanding among those who have not understood this reality.

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    “…The trend could change if the attacks on the Muslims community continue or escalate…” Ah! So there you are. Where is history, fact or principle here? In the present context Muslims have to decide whether they wish to be classified as either Tamil or something else. They cannot have it both ways taking the usual opportunistic path.
    As a minority community, my sympathies are with the Muslim community.
    They are merely trying to peacefully exist in the societies they are in. The same predicament was the lot of Jewish communities in both East and West Europe in the post-WW2 period, as it continues later in the Americas.

    As to the other two categories of Tamils in Sri Lanka today it is interesting the late leader S. Thondaman subscribed to the description
    of his people as “People of recent Indian Origin” By this, he was trying to convey, correctly as I believe, all citizens today in the Island, Sinhalese included, either came are of Indian extraction.

    It is relevant here to recall, immediately after 7/83, some in the leading Tamil families in the country – hailing from the North-East – were hurrying to Tamilnadu to trace their family Tree.

    Incidentally, is there still another distinct grouping of Tamils here?
    We have seen many describing them as Colombo Tamils. These are (1) those originally from the North-East whose forefathers settled in the South over a century ago and who have little connections today with the land of their forefathers (2) the descendants of those of Indian origin Tamils – but outside the category of the Estate Workers. These are merchants, professionals etc., who are now settled in the South of the Island – some of them married into Tamil and non-Tamil families going back to decades. During the days of the Citizenship Act(1948?) some of them secured either Citizenship by Descent or Indian categories (3) those born of parents from the North-East married to Indian Tamils
    (4) other relevant categories

    Kettikaran

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    This is unfair.
    The Muslims here are racially mixed. (So are Tamils and Sinhalese.)
    There is no pure race in any civilized society as civilization also meant mixing of many things.

    There is Arab blood in many Muslims. Look at the complexion and features of most Muslims. Arabs were here from over 1000 years ago. There was thriving trade and some stayed on. They chose Tamil because it was the language of trade at the time.
    There were also settlers from South India who arrived much later.

    There are no Arab masters as the Arab world is itself is divided and the US is dominating the key Arab states.
    Nobody from abroad instructs the Muslims, although Saudi Arabia has indulged in mischief that has divided the Muslim community.
    It was persecution by Tamils & Sinhalese that has driven many Muslims towards stressing their Muslim identity in earlier unknown ways.

    Before prioritizing any identity, let us make sure that there is justice and fair play for all within that identity.

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      Yes there is Arab blood in some Muslims and also Arab as well as European blood in many Sinhalese and Tamils. This does not make the Muslim Arab nor the small amount of Sinhalese or Tamils with the mixed European/Arab blood Europeans or Arabs or what ever. They are all still basically Indian/Dravidian and this is what predominates in them.
      Some Muslims largely from the rich elite have fair complexion, may these have the most amount of the little Arab genes but largely due to selective breeding. Using their wealth and power over generations to procure light skinned females. They are not constrained like the Sinhalese or Tamils to marry into their caste. So can select anyone. However even most of these fair ones have very Indian features and not Arab features. The same sort of Arab look is found amongst many Tamils and Sinhalese but no one comments on this, as they do not emphasise on this. Even these light skinned Muslims or the ones with Arab blood only amounts to a few hundred families. around 40000 in a population of 1.9 million Sri Lankan Muslims. Around 1% the most. Everyone talks about this 1% and ignore the 99% of the Muslims in the island who look very Tamil and are dark, as this 1% rule them and are very vociferous about their light skin and the little Arab blood they have, giving the impression that all Muslims in the island are fair and light skinned and of Arab descent, when in reality they are not.
      This is like the 30000 strong part European Burgher community taking over the islands 2 million strong Sinhalese and Tamil Christians and then stating look at us we are fair skinned and of part European heritage, this means all the island’s 2 million Christians are of European heritage. If they state this everyone will laugh but this is what has happened to the island’s Muslims. A small number of powerful elite families have hijacked the agenda for their own advantage and everyone takes them seriously.
      When challenged to produced Arab ancestry for the island’s Muslims, the Moors Islamic council could only produce a distant male Aran ancestor or two for a few hundred families only and was forced to admit that there is very little Arab amongst the Sri Lankan Muslims and their descendants only amounted to a few hundred . This hardly would have ever made a dent in the genetic make up of the Dravidian Tamil Muslims. DNA also proves that the Muslims of Sri Lanka are of South Indian origin and genetically similar to the Sinhalese and Tamils with little Arab.

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      It is not DNA analysis that I am suggesting.
      More than a ‘few’ Muslims have complexion and looks suggesting Arab ancestry.

      If someone does not want to share one’s identity, one should have the decency to leave him/her alone.
      One cannot claim that Muslims are Tamils and in the same breath justify being nasty to them.

      SL Tamils could try being kind towards Muslims, like their counterparts in Tamilnadu (thanks to the impact of Periyaar). Then they may plead to be called Tamils, the way they thought of themselves in Jaffna only a few decades ago.

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        Read what I stated. The fair complexions is largely amongst their rich and not their masses. This is largely through selective breeding and the slightly mixed blood. You see this fair complexion even amongst Sinhalese and Tamils with distant European or other ancestors.

        No one is stopping them from forming being Muslim or forming another identity if they want to. However the identity should be based on historical truth and not based on lies and myth. If they want to be separate from the Hindu and Christian Tamils in the island, thinking that it will be advantageous to their immigrant community from South India, it is their wish. However this classification should be accurate. They should be correctly called Tamil Muslims or Muslim Tamils not Moors or Arabs as they are not and as I have stated many time a little bit of Arab does not make them Arab. We are all a little bit or something. However it is not the little bit that defines us but the large bit. Their little bit of Arab is 5% the most and the large Tamil bit is around 95% the least. By logic it is the 95% Tamil bit that they should identify themselves with and not the 5% Arab but they want to identify themselves with only the 5% Arab and solely claim is as their heritage and completely ignore the 95% Tamil as they think it will be advantageous to their community largely living amongst the Sinhalese who are anti Tamil. If the Tamils were the majority they will now be running around stating that they are Tamil Muslims.

        The Slavic Muslims of Bosnia Herzegovina wanted their own separate identity based on their religion and did not want to be identified with their fellow Christian Slavs, like the Tamil Muslims in Sri Lanka and it was not an issue, as they correctly identified themselves as Slavic Muslims of Bosnia or Bosnak Not as Turks or Arabs. If the Muslims in Sri Lanka correctly identified themselves as Tamil Muslims or Muslim Tamil and wanted to remain a separate identity it would have never become an issue, Instead they deliberately denied their actual Tamil origin and identity and claimed a fake Arab/Moorish identity and pathetically clung to it. To make matters worse, o justify that fake Arab/Moorish identity and to prove that they are not Tamils, despite speaking Tamil and until recently following Tamil customs and culture, they joined with the Sinhalese to kill murder loot rape and commit genocide on the Tamils. Don’t forget that is was a Muslim minister who joined with Sinhalese racists during the Srimavo era to marginalise the eastern Tamils and denied Tamil higher education by introducing standardisation.
        As usual you are suffering from selective amnesia. Tamils have always been kind to Muslims as they are Tamils however it is the Muslim elite establishment and politicians who by their actions from independence have created this rift and are still doing so.

        The Muslims of Tamil Nadu from whom the Sri Lankan Muslims are descended from had always been proud of their Tamil heritage and origins and had called themselves Tamil. Even the ones with Arab ancestry like the famous Tamil Muslim poet Umaru Pullavar one of the best Islamic poets in the Indian subcontinent who composed one the great Tamil classics based on Islam ” Seerapuranam” now considered one of India’s best Islamic classical works. Periyaar and the Dravidian movement had nothing to do with it.

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    Sinhalese and the Tamils did not come from the blues and they were the
    early settlers from India. Tamil language of course came from South India & and Sinhala language developed from Pali language but unable to
    determine from which Indian state it came from. Muslims may have come from Arab origin, come down from a neighboring country and it may be India as they could not have come from a far off place.It could be even Mauratius or Ceyselles(sorry if spelt wrongly) and since they settled down in Eastern part of Sri lanka, where Tamils predominantly lived,they studied Tamil language and followed similar culture. Unlike the Indian Tamils, the Muslims settled down in then called Ceylon, voluntarily for doing trade in spices and gems. They should be called not Tamil Muslims but Tamil speaking Muslims as certainly there is no
    Tamil blood running in their veins.

    It was very unfortunate that age old books that contained Lanka history
    were burnt along with the Jaffna library, which was done for the purpose hiding true history of the Island. It is a pity that no one
    knows the actual history of this tiny island.

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      Lanka Watch

      “It was very unfortunate that age old books that contained Lanka history
      were burnt along with the Jaffna library,”

      It is said some of the books and ola manuscripts were taken to Hettipola area and being stored there by the arsonists.

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      Sinahal-Watch:

      Sinhala language developed from Pali language but unable to determine from which Indian state it came from

      HAve you heard about Maghadhi. How different is MAghadhi from Pali. Sinhala has so many pali words. But Pali also comes under Indo-European languges (Pekkathi (pali) and peck, english)

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        Hello Mr Linguistics professor,

        English came from German, but does English sound like German?

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        jim softy dimwit

        “Sinhala language developed from Pali language but unable to determine from which Indian state it came from”

        So Sinhala language is not really a language, a manufactured one just as the Sinhala/Buddhism was concocted.

        Why don’t you call Sinhala language the Pali mark II. Why Sinhala?

        The religion was imported, the language was imported, the culture art, music art were imported, then what is there to call yours?

        You might as well consider going back to India and living there with your long lost cousins? You might also find more relative in India than here.

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          Yeverything YimpoRRRted

          Veddah, you say: “The religion was imported, the language was imported, the culture art, music art were imported, then what is there to call yours”? You missed many thing. Even my first lover was imported from Jaffna. Her name was BAMA (NOT Obama) and she was a virgin.

          Granted that everything including virgin Gurus to teach love to us are imported, we still have one thing to call our own – a land of our own. And we are only about 18 million strong.

          The Tamils, Malayalees (Dravidians) with their 400 million people + 330 million Gods are living as a minority in so many countries. In India you are like beggars, even your women defecating and urinating in daylight and in the open. That is something that even you kalaveddahs don’t do. You at least do it hidden in someone’s ceiling.

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            EDWIN RODRIGO

            “a land of our own. And we are only about 18 million strong.”

            The land was stolen from my people.

            “even your women defecating and urinating in daylight and in the open.”

            They are your distant cousins.

            Anyhow, what were you doing when your women were doing whatever they were doing? Were you peeping through the fence and bushes, or sitting in a tree watching them? You must be a dirty old pervert. Thank your own god for not being caught.

            “You at least do it hidden in someone’s ceiling.”

            Do you sit under the ceiling and keep your mouth opened?

            ” Even my first lover was imported from Jaffna. “

            No kidding. When did you find out she kept faking her orgasms? Or did she apply chilly on your willy?

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              Kalavedi Warfare

              Vedah, you say, “The land was stolen from my people”. I agree that most lands that humans occupy is land that belonged to kalaveddahs like you and other animals.

              You say, “They are your distant cousins”. The more distant they are from us the more uncivilized they are.

              When people started to encroach in to kalaveddah territory, your great ancestor kalaveddah said, “We shall defend our territory, however much s**t it costs, we shall s**t in the trees and in the bushes, we shall s**t in the branches; we shall s**t on the jungle trails, we shall s**t in your ceilings, we shall never stop s**tting. And true to your word, you have not stopped since that time.

              If by orgasm you mean urinating on your partner like a kalveddah, then surely, she did not fake it.

              So you s**t when you make war and urinate when you make love. No wonder the smell is so bad. Only Thala thel smells worse.

              Look kalaveddah, let us make a truce. You keep away from my ceiling and I keep away from your territory. Anyway, the kalavedi smell is so strong that I will need a space suit to go there.

              If you don’t agree something more than my open mouth will be waiting for you.

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                EDWIN RODRIGO

                “Look kalaveddah, let us make a truce.”

                What truce?

                I haven’t even started the war.

                Coward.

                Go hide behind your granddaughter.

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                  Oh the stink! Shoo klaveddah shoo!

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      LW
      Thanks for the sobering comments.
      Sinhala may have had an altogether different source. Influence of Pali (a Prakrit language of India) followed Hinayana Buddhism and that of Sanskrit followed Mahayana Buddhism. Tamil too had an impact because it was a neighbour.
      Tamil itself gained words from different Prakrits of India with Buddhist & Jain influence early in its history. Brahminisation brought in Sanskrit words in large numbers, which got Tamilized. Some local dialects of Tamil have a sizable Sinhala word stock. Attempts to cleanse Tamil of alien words failed as did the Hela movement.
      Now both Sinhala & Tamil are inundated with foreign words entering via English.

      What the Muslims should be called should be their choice.
      People who complain of Sinhala chauvinism cannot adopt an arrogant attitude towards Muslims & Hill Country Tamils who assert a separate identity.

      ps. It is Seychelles that you had in mind.

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        Sekera -Thanks for the correction.It is true due to Brahmanization
        of Tamil Nadu,formerly called Madras, Sanskrit words got Tamilized
        due to Bhramins ruling the area before the colonial occupation in India but Tamil scholars in the rest of the world like Lanka, Mauratious, Malaysia,along with the Tamil scholars in Tamil Nadu realised that Tamil language, which is one of the oldest and rich languages, can function on its own and added pure Tamil words to the language and eliminated Sanskrit words altogether and Tamil spoken & written in Sri Lanka and Other countries where Tamil
        spoken,today,other than Tamil Nadu,is pure Tamil, not mixed with any other languages. The language is so old and we see Tamil words
        like Kattamarang,(wooden boat) Paraya, Mullagutanny (soup) and several other Tamil words are in English language.

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          Thanks.
          There were no Brahmin rulers in Tamil regions. But there was strong Brahmin influence ans more than that the impact of Hindu faiths, which were Sanskritized.
          In any event, no language can develop in isolation.
          In fact compare not just the word stock but also syntax and grammar of Tamil in this century with those in the middle ages and in the Sangam and post-Sangam periods.
          The Tamil numerals are gone.
          Punctuation is there to stay.
          he spoken language has drifted very far from the standard written form.

          Tamil could perhaps have survived without ‘alien’ sounds until around 12th Century or so. It was possible to eliminate alien sounding words or substitute Tamil sounds for a little longer.
          Even that is not possible now.

          Tamil can survive in some ‘pure form’. Yes, but for whose benefit?
          Greek does survive in classical form to study ancient literature. Modern Greek is something else.

          Tamil needs to face the reality of modernism.
          To grow it has to modernize. But, the question is, on whose terms.
          I prefer it to be based on that of educated, but not archaic, regular users in touch with popular usage and who are caring about the community.

          Language is a democratic phenomenon. We can only express our choices. The society eventually decides.

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      They should be called Tamil Muslims as they is lots of Tamil blood running in their veins and very little Arab. They came to trade and also fled as refugees however not from the Arabian deserts but from South India.
      Sinhalese language is very dependent on Tamil 40% of its vocabulary is from Tamil and its grammar lexicon syntax and alphabet is purely derived from Tamil and not from Pali or Sanskrit. This is not what I say but many reputed Sinhalese scholars say. Take all the Tamil out of Sinhalese no Sinhalese. Elu the native language of country was a simple semi Tamil Dravidian dialect.

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        Cool story, bro :D

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    Dear Mr Keethaponcalan

    I have no words to express my gratitude. You are the only one to date who have attempted to answer my infinitely repeated question on this column and in the most polite and erudite fashion. Strangely so far only responses I have received are abuse, insult and personal vilification for asking this simple question – “who are the ‘Tamils’ in respect of a political solution” Isn’t this a legitimate question? Why are they so afraid to confront this question?

    One has to acknowledge that or sixty long years the Tamil political class have been deliberately obfuscating the Sinhalese with various permutations and combinations of the words ‘Tamils’, ‘Tamil speaking people’, ‘Tamil Nation’, ‘Ealam Tamils’, ‘Eazam Tamils’, ‘Traditional Tamils’ etc. etc..

    Allow me to reproduce once more:

    “If it is only Hindu and Christian Tamils in the North the numbers are insignificant and if it includes those who practise Islam and those arrived during the British they are scattered all across the island such that no Einstein can device a devolution model.”

    You seem to be taking the position that those who practise Islam and those who arrived during the British are not included in the “Tamil Nation”. This is quite contrary to the opinion of many Tamil writers here. Now I beg someone related to TNA to confirm the official position of TNA.

    This leaves the Sinhalese with the intractable problem of finding political solutions for each sub group who are nearly equal in number.

    As far as I am concerned there only two groups of PRACTICAL importance. Tamil language users and Sinhala language users. I am very concerned, in fact perturbed in many occasions the difficulties that Tamil language users undergo in dealing with the state machinery. In those situations I have told my Sinhala friends that at whatever cost the government must provide adequate translation facilities.

    Thanking you again

    Soma

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      Soma,
      you need full blood tranfusion. Then only you can function normal.
      We have been studying your comments being added to this and other threads. Please no more thoughts and minds that could hurt anyone. Enough is enough. We fought a civil war that destroyed everything in this beautiful country. As a result, even in post war scenario, things have reached in cross roads, because the majority of the people are even more abusive than appeared to be. There leaders with devious and abusive nature can easily promote their thoughts. As Mahinda Rajaakshe is upto do the job today. He has been doing it akin to his twin brother from Zimbabwe-Robert Mugabe. All what he wants is be bound to power.
      But when power is given, he ended up not being able to march an inch towrds the peace and reconciliaton.
      I wish a nation free from SOMAS, MAXEs and SUMANASKEARA or the like people if we are to achieve our common goal – which is sustainable peace for all srilankens

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        Leelawathi my friend,
        So, SOMAS, MAXEs and SUMANASKEARA are a hindrance for a sustainable peace in SL, while Vedda, Jansee, analyst, plato, malliyran etc. etc. are working hard for sustainable peace??? Can you name any of their comments that had supported peace?
        You thought all CT readers were born yesterday?

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          Nuisance

          sach is missing. Hang on if I could find H L D Mahindapala.

          You need to tie the paddikkama to your neck.

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            Nuisance

            I have the feeling you intentionally insult me. Sorry dont want to idetify me to have a friendship with you.

            I questioned myself this Nuisance should have been related to newly emergy Ranjith.

            His incoherent comments make me go to mad.

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              leelawathi
              Thanks for the rejection. I am disappointed! Is this the way you spread lasting peace within Sri Lanka? I thought you practice what you preach!

              By the way, Where is the answer to my post???

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                Nuisance

                You should know where to spit/vomit. But then at your age everything becomes very hard.

                “By the way, Where is the answer to my post???”

                Does your typing deserve an answer? What was the question again?

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                  [Edited out]

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                    Nuisance

                    “[Edited out]”

                    Is this your post?

                    I must say it is brilliant.

                    Thanks for keeping it brief.

                    Probably you have found your padikkama to vomit.

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      “As far as I am concerned there only two groups of PRACTICAL importance. Tamil language users and Sinhala language users. I am very concerned, in fact perturbed in many occasions the difficulties that Tamil language users undergo in dealing with the state machinery. In those situations I have told my Sinhala friends that at whatever cost the government must provide adequate translation facilities.

      I thought you are going to give a brave solution but you came with providing adequate translation facilities. You initially said that you are happy to divide the country into two one for Tamil speaking people and other for Sinhalese speaking people. Now you are saying giving translation will solve the problem? Are you confusing others or you are in confused coma state?
      What are you going to do with Buddhist Sinhala Fundamentalists who wants eliminate Tamil speaking people from this island and to build Buddha’s statue in every inch of land?
      Who should be in the military? Who should be given employment? Who should own the land?

      You are talking about Tamils and Tamils problem but you are not talking about Sinhalese and Sinhalese version of Srilanka? Why?
      Why Buddhist Sinhalese dominate (99%) in the military? Why the Sinhalese wants Buddhism as the religion of this island? Why they introduced Sinhala only? Why they introduced race based standardization?

      Who do you represent?

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      SOMA:

      I am very concerned, in fact perturbed in many occasions the difficulties that Tamil language users undergo in dealing with the state machinery. In those situations I have told my Sinhala friends that at whatever cost the government must provide adequate translation facilities.

      Do you say Tamils all over the world live without LEarning the majority language ?

      Why only in Sri lanka, Tamils have to provide Tamil language facilities ?

      Is it besause Tamilnadu nearby. So, they think Sinhale is also Tamilnadu ?

      Why don’t they ask the samething Kerala, Karnataka or Andrapradesh ?

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        why Sinhalese in Australia and Canada are learning English but in Sri Lnka not learning Tamil?

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    I look forward to the day when all who live on this island, identify and celebrate their unity as Sri Lankans or Ceylonese or Illangayars or simply, Islanders.

    The specific label does not matter. Feeling like an equal contributor to the cultural, economic and political life is what should matter and define one’s identity.

    In buddhism there’s a concept termed “anithya” – the impermanence of ANY identity and material gain. I hope the Islanders see this universal truth, and decide that living peacefully together would save us all.

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      Cant agree with you more.
      Well done. Sinhalese Buddhist. Your thoughts can send the message across.

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      You must be one of the very few sanely thinking Sinhala Buddhist! Do you support the violence exhibited by the Buddhist Monks in Sri Lanka and Burma[Myanmar]?

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      Let us all become Saivaites. Saivaism is the first religion of Srilanka. Even Veddhas worshiped Saiva gods like Murugan. It is only after Buddhism was introduced to Srilanka that religious conflicts started. So dump Buddhism, Christianity and Islam and embrace Saivaism.

      Let us all start speaking Elu the first language of Srilanka. Elu is a Dravidian language similar to Tamil which is the second language to be used in Srilanka as evidenced by the discovery of stone inscriptions. Sinhala came later, being used only in 7th century BC.

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    Tamil is a language has been open for at least 5000 years. There are suspicions that it is the very first structured language and thus mother of all of them. Tamils is the direct mother of all South Indian languages. Little above 2000 years, it was not confined to Tamils Nadu. The original birth Language of Island Ceylon is Tamil.

    Tamilians or the Tamil people or the Tamils is a, rather modern concept, are a Tamil Nadu- Ceylon-originated light -Dark skinned people living in many parts of the word.

    Soma’s question stems from his position of the Federal solution, which is suggested for the Tamils National Question, which is openly re-advocated by TNA abandoning its election pledge of Self-determination. Soma’s understanding is Federal Solution is a separate country for Tamils speaking people. So, Soma’s question has only a few months of origin and not directly connected to solving the Tamils’ National Question which is now almost 100 years old. Ramanathan’s attempt to define Muslims as Tamil speaking Muslims is also indicating the existence of the problem. 1915 Muslims rights is too one of them.

    To answer Soma’s question, based on his opposition to Federal solution is, first of all Federal Solution is not Separate Country. TNA has moved from its promise to Tamils of Self Determination without their approval in at some election. So Tamils may or may not accept Federal government as their solution. So Soma worrying about Federal Solution is not stoppable.

    The other problem for him is, when thinking of Federal Government as Soma thinking of Tamil Eelam, as Tamil Eelam is preparing to go separate so when he has to start to prepare his tools ready for another India Pakistan split.

    So rather than getting involved in meaningless word definitions, which neither Sinhala Governments ever respect nor that will satisfy soma for his urgency to prepare him, we can get down on the ground and look at.

    Tamil Eelam is the land claimed by Tamils which was occupied mainly Tamils (practically Northern and Eastern Province) at the time of Freedom to Ceylon. So to Satisfy Soma, Tamils are the people living in the Tamil Eelam at this time. (They may go for a Federal Solution with in Tamil Eelam and, as promised by all of their Organizations which are asking to a separate country, they may make all three languages official, unlike in the Lankawe where Sinhala only is the official Language practically). So this definition is to arrive at solutions through negotiation with the Soma-s(Sinhala) government. It is carefully defined not to stress any community’s priority and spoil the new countries go for another Racial race and spend $200+$200=$400 million on bombs. Because Tamil Eelam is a negotiated solution, either upcountry can be attached to Tamil Eelam (better one), or Tamils from Up country Tamils can be allowed to migrate to North-East.

    Under this definition, Tamil speaking community living outside of North-East will be considered Lankaweyans. They both, the new countries, will have to obey the UN’s proclamations and conventions. They both will have to respect religions and Languages practiced by their communities. This essentially make that they both have to be Secular democracies. This will quickly free them from racial fights and allow them to concentrate on their economic, educational, social and family needs.

    When we come to Soma’s federal solution, that is practically only a Tamil Eelam in the feeling of his Sinhala race, we should avoid Federal Solution and let him save his money not to prepare for another India -Pakistan split. Trying to obtain a federal solution while Sinhala Government is refusing to remove its 150,000 strength rapist army and Sinhalese need not respect a border to invade, it is worse than India Pakistan split. When a federal solution is implemented that is a installation of natural temptation to Soma’s Sinhala who are willing to go for blood shed, it is better to avoid a Federal Solution at least for that reason. One and only one best solution is the Separation. That solution can have negotiated settlement for those who want to live in Tamil Eelam and Lankawe. Both Countries can ask UN peace keepers to watch the separation. This will avoid the bloodshed.

    Leaving the Tamil Muslims aside, for Soma, the theoretical Tamils are four. They are North-East, Upcountry, Colombo Tamils and the ones living in predominantly Sinhala Speaking areas. Unlike Keethaponcalan’s assumption, many upcountry Tamils like to have called them Tamils. Leading one of them is Mano Ganesan who stopped him calling Upcountry or Western Tamil. Upcountry Tamils youth and some Eastern Muslim youths took part in the Eelam Wars, which is under Keethaponcalan’s assumption a terrorist group named LTTE blocked his Sinhala Governments when they wanted to bring solutions. I don’t know if the Sinhala Governments were only party who wanted to impose solutions all these time then where the Tamil – Sinhala problem started to come as per Keethaponcalan. That is from where his divisive definition of Tamil is stemming from. Some stupid assume they are too smart from others and so adamant to stuck their thought s in others’ throats.

    Tamil speaking Tamils in West would prefer to stay in Colombo as it is cosmopolitan city.

    Tamils in Sinhala Speaking areas will prefer to migrate to North-East Tamil Eelam.

    Upcountry Tamils have to decide whether they want to move to North-East Tamil Eelam or they would prefer upcountry Tamil areas attached to Tamil Eelam. They have formed their own TNA recently. Sampanthar has been promising that their problems will be considered as Tamils problem during all negotiations. So he said it will be solved in one single occasion, not in another negotiation for it.

    The Non Tamil Speaking population in North-East Tamil Eelam people and Muslim Tamils in North East Tamils Eelam should have their opportunity to claim which citizenship they want and should be allowed to move accordingly. They can decide within five years or other reasonable time to until their first generation still alive.

    The solution has to be a humanitarian split. It should not be food for the Soma-s Sinhalese sharpened knives or food for racist elite Keethaponcalan’s hunger to divide. This definition of “Tamils” is for Soma-s Sinhalese to satisfy their need for their preparation.

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    Why can’t all the Sri Lankans living in Serandip and abroad STOP labelling themselves as a Tamil or a Sinhalese or a Muslim or a burgher. Differentiation helps the Politicians to gain power and to maintain it and swindle the country. Learn all 3 languages and be a SRI LANKAN.

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    This is what information I obtained in Wikipedia.
    “With the arrival of Arab traders in the 7th century A.D., Islam began to flourish in Sri Lanka. The first people to profess the Islamic faith were Arab merchants and their native wives, whom they married after having them converted to Islam.”

    If this is true the current Muslim population are a mixture of Arab man and Native woman. Who is the Native woman? Is it a Srilankan Tamil or Srilankan Sinhalese?

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      Wikipeida also states “The claim that the Moors were the progeny of the original Arab settlers, might hold good for a few families but not for the entire bulk of the community.[ ] This is evidenced by the fact that, the Moors’s Islamic Cultural Home, Colombo were unsuccessful in digging up the genealogical history of Muslim families with Arab descent, in any great numbers ] I.L.M. Abdul Azeez (of the organization) seemed to have accepted the idea, when he observed that:
      It may be safely argued that, the number of original settlers was not even more than a hundred.
      Another theory claims, Sri Lankan Moors are not a distinct or self-defined people and the word (Moors) did not exist in Sri Lanka before the arrival of the Portuguese colonists.[12] The Portuguese named the Muslims in India and Sri Lanka after the Muslim Moors they met in Iberia.[13] Moreover, the term ‘Moor’ referred to only their religion and was no reflection on their origin.[5]

      The concept of Arab descent was thus, invented just to keep the community away from the Tamils and this ‘separate identity’ intended to check the latter’s demand for the separate state Tamil Eelam and to flare up hostilities between the two groups in the broader Tamil-Sinhalese conflict

      Another view suggests that the Arab traders, however, adopted the Tamil language only after settling in Sri Lanka ] This version claims that the features of Sri Lankan Moors as different from that of Tamils; they commonly have lighter skin tone and hair color. Thus, some scholars classify the Sri Lankan Moors and Tamils as two distinct ethnic groups, who speak the same language. This view is dominantly held by the Sinhalese favouring section of the Moors as well as the Sri Lankan government which lists the Moors as a separate ethnic community. However, a study on genetic variation indicates, an only below average genetic relationship between Arabs and the Moors.
      Which means they have very little Arab and lots of Tamil.
      Should not have omitted these parts of the Wikipedia.
      The Malayalam speaking Mappila Muslims of Kerala will have the most amount of Arab, as Arabs have been in contact with this part of the ancient Tamil country from ancient times. The South west monsoon will directly send the Arab Dhows from the Arabian gulf straight to Kerala and vice versa. However even here DNA studies have shown the Arab contribution to the Mappila genetic makeup is only around 10%. The rest is Indian. If the Mappila have only around 10% Arab genes, the Tamil Muslims of Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu on the eastern shores of India will have far less. 5% if I am very generous but most probably around 2-3%. The rest Tamil.
      You cannot be Moor of Arab just having 5 ot 3% Arab and completely ignore the 95-97% Tamil blood and DNA. The Sri Lankan and Tamil Nadu Muslims are basically Tamils with a little bit of Arab. The Muslim Mappila or Kerala too are basically Malayali with a bit more Arab in them.

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        As per a Portuguese website, the people competed with them to Kotte Port is Mapillais- The site is clearly defining Mapillas as “Malabar Muslims”. Further the site is saying They had a dynasty conflict in Kotte and Sittwake, so they opposed the Portuguese at Kotte. If that can be explained then they were related to Alakone, because it was his descents were in Kotte. Alakagone, though a Tamil from South India, it appears was not a Hindu by this site. What I could not figure out is if it was a naval Battle with Mapillas – non living in- the same they were- that is Mapillas lived in only in Tamil Nadu and Kerala and fought with them Kotte or the Maplias lived in Ceylon too. In any case though Alakaone established Kotte, the surrounding were Sinhala Neighborhood, not Muslims or even Tamil.

        As per it, it was King Rajasinha moved Muslims to East for their safety. The site is saying Dona Catherina is their own and throned her to Kandy and lost that attempt. The King Dom Juao Periya Bandara(m) who of Kotte asked them convert Kotte people to be Catholics and 70,000 were converted. When, Dom Juao Periya Bandara(m), who married Dona, died the Kingdom Automatically went to them. It appears it that it was the deal he made with Portuguese to marry Dona. Further the site is saying that Kandy Sinhalese poisoned their representative King and it seems that behaviour too congruent with latter Pilimathalawa and Ehelepola destroying Sri Wickrama Rajasinghan.

        There is nowhere any mentioning of Ceylon Muslims(Arabian descents) living in Ceylon or Arabian Muslims fighting them. It is talking about Malabar Muslims fighting with them and Rajasinghan moving Muslms out to East.

        Further it say 1602 Dutch came to Batticaloa, a palace until then they have not gone there. But they captured it in 1628 and raided Kandy, it seems because Kandy was in contact with Dutch.

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    I did a DNA profile with a kit from AncestryDNA.com in the US.

    My DNA profile came this way
    81% Asia South
    11% Asia East
    6% Melanesia
    1 More region

    So we are ALL in the same bucket; phenotypically as well though both Tamils and Sinhalese have different shades of skin color.

    But factually Sinhalese as a language only exists in SL whereas Tamil is spoken by nearly 100million people with most being in Tamil Nadu. There is no point in putting phenotypical barriers when we are all “Eka waththey pol”. Problem is some want racial exclusivity and do not want to integrate or intermarry or even share cultures and those people are driven by false notions of cultural or racially superiority based on ethnic identity rather than by any individual personal achievement or accomplishment or contribution made to society as an individual of race X, Y or Z. That is bloody stupid.

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      Mano Ratwatte

      “Problem is some want racial exclusivity and do not want to integrate or intermarry or even share cultures and those people are driven by false notions of cultural or racially superiority based on ethnic identity rather than by any individual personal achievement or accomplishment or contribution made to society as an individual of race X, Y or Z. That is bloody stupid.”

      Can’t they all retain their unique individual identity and still contribute to their immediate, community, to the country and world at large?

      Please note individuals have multiple identities, eg A Kandyan Buddhist Engineer working as CEO of Multinational, in the adopted country Canada who is married to a French, whose children learn, English, French, Sinhala, Hebrew and Tamil (the Frenchman knew his children’s one set of great grandparents were Tamil) one child wants to be Bollywood/Kollywood star and settle down in Mumbai or Chennai and the other wants to study Archaeology (specialising in Inca Trail), both love kavun, kokis, vadei, dosai, … eat with fingers. The Frenchman’s sister works for Infosys in Bangalore and married to a Chinese.

      Where would you place this family in your world view?

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      There is no point in putting phenotypical barriers when we are all “Eka waththey pol”.

      If they are eka walle pol, they want it separate everything ?

      It is all lies.

      Tamilnadu is racist. So, dalits want their separate state here.

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        Southern invaders are racist. that is why govigama and karavar wants a separate land by claiming land as sacred under false pretense

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      Your DNA profile as according to two surveys done by Colombo Medical faculty in association with Newcastle University and Colombo Science faculty in association with Bangkok University should read as follows:
      81% – South Indian (not Asia south)
      11% – Bengali (not Asia East)
      6% – Veddha (not Melanesian)
      1% – probably Arab as they are stupid people.
      You will be surprised that you will not have the Aryan gene in you.

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    People say they are proud to be black or white or tamil. Have they looked at their portfolios professor to SEE if they actually made a difference in someone else’s life? Or is the pisspoor Tamil or Sinhalese or Muslim proud to be Tamil, Sinhalese or Muslim for no reason wanting to demarcate themselves? Aren’t you a bit of a racist while living in the USA? What if a white guy who voted for Trump with Irish ancestry comes to you and says “you darkie, we are white we are superior to you”. That will be ludicrous unless that guy has achieved more, done more than you have. But that is that rubbishy notion that is a curse of humans. I have such discussions with my students all the time. It is very interesting. You like me, live and thrive in the US and you all want to contribute to more artificial barriers to integration and reconciliation with ethno definitions. One racist sinhalese even told me at my father’s funeral that “haamu jaathiya pawaadeela pita gaaniyek banda; dhan hitiya athi aapahu enna”. WTF dude WTF? Needless to say I stopped using him as a driver in SL after that. I wanted to cold cock him but it was at my father’s funeral so I just politely smiled and walked away. WE ARE WHO WE ARE based on WHAT WE DO and OUR ACTIONS and OUR ACTIONS ONLY AND NOT BY THE ACCIDENTAL GENETIC FACTOR OF BEING BORN IN SOME PLACE.

    You know Professore’ like me you are an economic emigrant to the USA and we can live safely here on our salaries without being crooked. You know that neither of us will go back to live in SL. I have zero assets in SL and cannot even afford to buy a house there in post war booming SL. Do you want war again by putting up narrow dividers? Why not focus on the terrible demeaning facets of casteist discrimination in SL specially amongst Hindus? Thanks dude.

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      Mano,

      No matter how much we hate identities EVERY HUMAN being lives with an identity UNTIL you reach NIBBANA (NIRVANA) in this life itself.

      WHY ? Humans are cared for by some groups until they are 5 years old. We never learn to walk like animals who spontaneously walk as soon as they are born..see horses , cows, lions, tigers….

      we can not eat by ourselves…we don’t know how to speak….

      So group, village , community, society brings up an individual according long established rules and ethics and ethos…SO PLEASE DON’T BLAME TAMILS, MUSLIMS and SINHALESE..HAVING A CULTURE IS A NATURAL NECESSARY HUMAN QUALITY..that differentiate us with language from other creatures that inhabit this place the earth.

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      Mano Ratwatte should be a Christian too. HE does not know Sinhale culture. HE loves to criticize Hindus.

      Hope qabout Rich and poor devision where you are natiralized ?

      Instead of the God you worship celebrities.

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        Budhists monks worship young boys, its eve worse

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    Who is a Tamil? One who belongs to a group of good intelligent people.

    Also, I can explain who a stupid Tamil is; A Tamil who lives in a society where 85% of the people speak Sinhalese but refuse to learn Sinhalese and improve their lives.

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      Even as per your government statistics only 75% of the country speak Sinhalese and 25% speak Tamil. Most of the island’s Tamil speakers almost 90% ( this includes Indigenous Eelam Tamils. Indian origin Tamils and Muslim Tamils) live in predominantly Tamil speaking areas. The North and East and in the central hill districts largely in the Nuwara Eliya district that is 75% Tamil. The rest largely in metropolitan Colombo where a very high percentage speak Tamil and not Sinhalese, therefore they do not have to learn or speak Sinhalese to improve their lives. On the contrary it is the Sinhalese here who will have to learn Tamil. Who is stupid.
      Out of the 24 districts in the island 9 are predominantly Tamil speaking and these do not include metropolitan Colombo or the Kandy district that has a very percentage of Tamil speaker.
      You should stop being stupid and learn Tamil nuisance as around 100 million Tamil speakers surround you.

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        Mr. real
        I think you and all the Tamils you talk about need a Tamil Elam. What do you think? Should be in Tamil Nadu!

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          There is no point talking about Elam anymore basta
          TNA representatives made it very clear, they would not seek a separate country.
          So, you guys dont need to even use the term here back and forth.
          Sure, like Joint oppoition drummers, there do exist extremist elemiments in the north and also in East.
          What matters is the percentage.
          Dont thing all that supported DRIVING AWAY- Rajapakshes contain votes from Elam fighters.
          Eusense, let s change your username INTO – NOSENSE. That fits most. Take care greetings from Switzerland.

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        In Germany, France, Austria and several other countries, at least ones living in boarder villages must learn several langagues so that they can get on with fellow people easily.
        This is common to some indians too.
        Our people have been difficult to learn minority langagues.
        It would have been very useful to me if I could have knowledge in Tamil. Unfortunatley, we never had the chance to learn Tamil in early 70ties to early 80ties for us.
        I think we the sinhalaese should start learning tamil apart from English and other langagues.

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          Asumanasekara

          My Elders tell me once upon a time in a far, far away country Ceylon, there were people who were well versed in at least four languages. The people stopped learning languages the day SWRD Banda was elected with majority.

          Tamil and English were introduced back into affairs of the state only after JR’ was arms twisted by the Hindians.

          Thotagamuwe Sri Rahula Thera (1408 – 1491) who was a multi-linguist (knew at least 6 languages) laughed at people who didn’t learn 6 languages.

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      [Also, I can explain who a stupid Tamil is; A Tamil who lives in a society where 85% of the people speak Sinhalese but refuse to learn Sinhalese and improve their lives. ]

      Eusense.

      There are not. Tamil is a Classical language. Sinhalese is just a Creole language.

      No need to learn for subsistence.

      If it is so, it is called opportunism for survival.

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        Ravi-Telugu

        “There are not. Tamil is a Classical language. Sinhalese is just a Creole language. No need to learn for subsistence.”

        If so would learn Pali?

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          It is hard to learn Sanskrit and Pali having little usage. Happy with Telugu, my mother tongue and Tamil as my great classical/spiritual language.

          It is better/happy to learn Vedda Language than Pali.

          Thanks Vedda

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      Assuming what you added is the fact – then it exactly proves the fraction of stupid tamils are much less than that of sinhala population; because many among sinhalaya would not want to learn tamil language – calling it as a minority langauge. Not only minoratarian folks, but also majoratarian would see it right at least LET ALONE today, I think we could easily find solutions to the like minded problems. Lately, I was ashemed hearing from a japanese lingustic expert (also one who speak sinhala langague) known to me, that developing countries like ours meet with stalemate in the development process – as he clarifies many of the folks are suffering from “Manaya -Complex” that acording to him – prevented people from any good moves. Honestly saying, many among us are so overwelmed just being the majority. It is high time we the sinhalayas have to change our mindset for the future of the nation. Failures lie more on the majority than on minority fractions.
      There are also minorities, whose thoughts are fully neglected eve by today. Burgher community makes it clear that they consider them as a “LOST RACE” in the country by today. Had the politicians happened to take due action, would the burgher community feel

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    Tamil – Sinhala Language Barrier

    The first and the closest encounter in my life with a Tamil was with a woman, the wife of a Tamil teacher in the school that my father was the head master of. They were from Jaffna and were staying in a room of the head master’s quarters that my father had kindly given them.

    I had appeared for my GCE (AL) from a big school in Kandy and awaiting results at that time. My father, mother and her husband were teaching in the school and we were alone in the quarters. I did not know any Tamil and she did not know a single word in Sinhala. Despite this seemingly insurmountable barrier, we became very intimate. Never in my life have I met such a loving woman, someone whose memory will remain in my heart until its last beat.

    Mark Twain said “Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see”. I want to add that Love will find its way through all languages on its own.

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      You are a Tamil Paravan from Thootukudi Tamil Nadu now masquerading here as a Sinhalese Buddhist. Your first encounter with a Tamil would have been with your Thootukudi Catholic Paravan Appa and Amma. Got it.

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        Shanthi, Shanthi Sarma. Don’t get worked up like that. Otherwise your Sarama may come down exposing… – provided there is anything to expose.

        I see Tamil people in a different and kind light. You are the relatives of the angel of a woman who taught me love.

        Shanthi, Shanthi Sarma. Oooooom!

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        Who is a Tamil Woman?

        Let me assure all, man or woman, that this racial and caste divisions are of no consequence. That is what my unforgettable love Guru Bama taught me. Yes, that is right. Her name was a Bama – Not Obama mind you- Bama. Read my lips – B..A..M..A.

        Bama changed my worldly outlook that everything was Dukkha. After a few weeks with her I found that there are somethings that are Sukha and that these are so pleasurable, that they far outweigh the Dukkha. No one should think bad of her for teaching love to a boy who was 5 years her junior. She was not the loose woman that Sarma perhaps imagines her to be. No! She was still a virgin when I met her.

        The fact that she was still a virgin well in to marriage (to be exact one year in to marriage) speaks volumes about not only the chastity of Tamil women but their strength. It is not easy penetrate their mind and body. But once you manage that all important penetration, they are like putty in your hands.

        That is why the LTTE women fighters were better than men as fighters. Prabha loved them much more than the men cadres. Even the last supper with the famous chicken curry was better if the person who was going to die was a woman. Why? Because, it was chicken curry with a chick.

        This is not the experience I had with Sinhalese women. A vast majority of Sinhala women loose their virginity well before marriage, while the Tamil women carry it well past their marriage.

        If I were to marry, it will be a Tamil or a Philippina woman and not a Sinhala woman. The character of Sinhala women can be judged by the way they went away with some Arabs, I don’t from where – perhaps even from Tooththukudy – to breed with them and form the Muslim community in Lanka. Yeah, Yeah. I know the King asked them to. Is that good enough reason? I don’t think so. If I were a woman, I would not do it even if God ordered me to.

        And it was a life of sin with several women living with one man. I am sure NO Tamil woman would accept such a thing. They made of better stuff.

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      Edda,

      Did you marry her? Or, enna penna-da?

      Liyanamahathaya

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    Now, which Species wants a Homeland in the North and the East combined with all the Land and Police Powers to rule them?…

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      KASmaalam K A Sumanasekera

      “Now, which Species wants a Homeland in the North and the East combined with all the Land and Police Powers to rule them?…”

      It is the parochial Sinhala/Buddhists forcing their fellow species to carve out their own homeland.

      You should rather focus on the crooks, racists, …. stupids who have been in power for the past 69 years and continue to destroy this island.

      Do you still play handicap? I suppose you are missing your backhanders.

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    ” We see here two blood brothers, one Aryan, the other Dravidian (Pause ). Ernest Keethaponcalan, found in a mulla as neither Aryan nor Dravidian, evolved by adoption, language and culture into a Dravidian. His brother evolved in the same way into an Aryan. Our ethnicities reveal social attributes , not biological differences” – The final scene in THE LOST CULAVAMSA or THE UNIMPORTANCE OF BEING EARNEST about Aryan and Dravidian a play by Ernest Macintyre performed at Macquarie University, Sydney in February 2016 and now available as a published play ( Vijitha Yapa Publications, Colombo)

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