By S. I. Keethaponcalan –
Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan
A few days ago, my review of Laksiri Fernando’s new book entitled Issues of New Constitution Making in Sri Lanka: Towards Ethnic Reconciliation appeared in the Colombo Telegraph. Soma, presumably a pseudonymed CT reader asked, what do you mean by Tamil (people). He/she argued that it is important to clearly define the “Tamil” people in order to proceed with the discussion on the devolution of power. Perhaps, Soma is correct in saying that a precise definition is important, because, often, Tamil analysts use the term loosely and take the definition for granted. I thought that it is an important question and decided to reflect. The opinions expressed are mine and I do not claim that all or most Tamils share my views on this topic.
Who is a Tamil? Soma’s question is restricted to Sri Lanka. However, let us start the discussion with a global perspective. Tamil is an ethnic category, which has been defined mainly by language, although Tamils share many cultural traits. Hence, any person who considers Tamil as his or her mother tongue may be defined as a Tamil. Tamils live all around the world. Since, a distinction needs to be made among these Tamils who live in different parts of the world, sub-ethnic categories have been created. Indian Tamils, Sri Lankan Tamils, and Malaysian Tamils are some of these sub-ethnic categories. Tamils are native to India and Sri Lanka. Hence, in many of these countries often distinctions are made between Indian and Sri Lankan Tamils despite the reality that they may operate as a unified entity. For example, in many host nations Thamil Sangams are formed to bring Tamils from different countries together.
Sri Lankan Muslims
In Sri Lanka the definition remains largely blurred due to socio-political realities and political reasons. The discussion could quickly move to the question whether Muslims in Sri Lanka are Tamils. This issue remains controversial and a cause of contention because opinion greatly differs between (most) Tamils and Muslims on the definition. Many Tamils consider Muslims as Tamils because traditionally a vast majority of Muslims spoke Tamil. Since, they are religiously different from the Hindu Tamils, they are called Islamiyath Thamilar (Muslim Tamils) by some Tamils even today.
Ponnampalam Ramanathan famously argued that Muslims are Islamiyath Thamilar. This notion created serious rift between the two communities. Muslims believed that Tamils have political motives to label them as Tamils. Many Muslims who write about Muslim-Tamil issues often start their analysis from Ramanathan. The label, Islamiyath Thamilar makes the Muslims a subcategory of Tamil. Hence, the resistance.
The Muslims consider themselves as a distinct and independent community different from the Tamils notwithstanding the fact that many of them still speak Tamil. However, they do not treat Tamil as their mother tongue, but a convenient tool used at home. Of course, there may be exceptions to this general rule. The notion that Tamil speaking Muslims are not Tamils may create some conceptual issues because Tamil ethnicity is defined by language. When it comes to the rights of a group of people, concepts are less significant.
Therefore, I subscribe to the idea that Muslims are not Tamils. They are an independent social group defined by religion. Every social group has the right to define it’s identify as it deems fit. The Muslims have the right to define who they are. Tamils trying to define the Muslims identity may make them hegemonic. Therefore, Tamil people, do not include the Muslims. The recognition that Muslims are an independent group has the potential to promote Muslim-Tamil reconciliation.
Another category often used in Sri Lanka is “Tamil speaking people.” This label could also be problematic for two reasons. One, it creates a division within the Muslim community because Muslims now speak Sinhala, Tamil, and English. Two, there is hardly any solidarity between Tamil speaking Muslims and Tamils. It could become a useful category if the Muslims are enthusiastic about it. At this point in time, there is hardly any evidence to suggest that Muslims are enthusiastic about working with the Tamils. The trend could change if the attacks on the Muslims community continue or escalate.
Up-country Tamils
In Sri Lanka, a distinction is also made between Indian (or plantation or up-country) Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils. This distinction is important for two reasons.
One, there are historical differences between the two groups. Sri Lankan Tamils have a very long history in the country. They are native to Sri Lanka. Hence, they are often called indigenous Tamils. If I remember correctly, K.M. de Silva called Sri Lankan Tamils the “Indigenous Tamils.” Some nationalist Sinhalese believe that Sri Lankan Tamils were of recent origin, hence not native to the country. Nevertheless, Indian Tamils were mostly, but not exclusively, brought to work in the plantations during the colonial era.
Two, the issues and concerns of the Indian Tamils or Up-country Tamils are different from the Sri Lankan Tamils. Their problems are mostly social welfare related and could be resolved through administrative means, including administrative decentralization. They do not ask for a separate state and have worked closely with Sri Lankan governments. The Sri Lankan Tamils on the other hand, believe that the North-East Provinces are their “homeland” and they fought for a separate state.
Hence, lumping Indian Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils together under the label “Tamil” would certainly undermine the Indian Tamil’s socio-political welfare. Their issues would become less significant. Therefore, in terms of political discourse, it is important to make a distinction between the Indian Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils. It seems that the Indian Tamils have been increasingly adopting the label Up-country Tamils.
Hence, in view of the devolution debate in general and devolution to the North-East Provinces in particular, the term “Tamil” means “Sri Lankan Tamils,” who live or have roots in the North-East Provinces. However, many analysts often do not include the term “Sri Lankan” when they denote Sri Lankan Tamils, partly, in order to avoid repetition of the term “Sri Lankan.” They (or we) also assume that it is given.
*Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan is Chair of the Conflict Resolution Department, Salisbury University, Maryland.
Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 16, 2016
A Tamil is a person who speaks Tamil as their mother tongue and closely identifies with this language. Now even the descendants of these people who migrated to places like the West, Malaysia/Singapore who despite not speaking Tamil still closely identify themselves with Tamil and Tamil culture.
People of Tamil ethnicity may have an Indo Aryan,Dravidian
Australoid/Veddoid, Negroid Semite, Malay, Roman,Greek and many other origins or a mixture of all these or part of these racial origins. Just like all modern ethnicities. Ethnicity is different from race.
A Tamil can belong to any religion it is not an ethnicity. A Tamil can be a Hindu Christian Muslim Buddhist Jain or any other religion. It is an ethnic identity not a religious identity. People here are confusing religious and ethnic identity. Both are different. People belonging to the same ethnicity or even the same family can belong to different religions and people following the same religion can belong to different cultures language races and ethnicity.
Being a Muslim is a religious identity and not an ethnicity. The Muslims of Sri Lanka are by and large Dravidians of South Indian origin. There may be a little bit of Arab or other western Asian origins in a few families but like stated this is only a little bit and this does not really affect their ethnicity or genetic makeup. We all have a little bit of something and all modern ethnicities including the Tamils are a mixture of many people and races.
You now do not get a pure race or people unless you go to some remote area. Therefore citing a little bit of Arab heritage as proof that they are different from the rest of the Tamils is not a valid argument. Even many Hindu and Christian Tamils may have Arab or other Semitic part heritage, just like the Syrian Christians of Kerala but these people do not claim a Syrian origin.
It is easy for the Muslims of Sri Lanka to distinguish themselves on the basis of religion from others and other non Muslim Tamils, as other than the small microscopic minority of Malays and Borah who identify themselves by their ethnicity, the rest of the Sri Lankan Muslims have the same largely Dravidian South Indian origin, they all follow the Indian form of Sufi Islam and 99% of them still speak Tamil as their mother tongue even if they study in the Sinhalese medium. However using their religion ( Islam ) as a form of distinction and separation from the rest of the population will not be possible and many countries, as the Muslim population here are diverse. Racially ethnically linguistically culturally even in the form of Islam practised.
In these lands it is not their religion but their ethnicity that is primarily used to distinguish one community from another. Despite then all being Muslim by religion Eg. Arab, Kurd , Turkoman, Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi, Baluch, Hazara, Sunni Arab, Shia Arab. Alawite Arab.
Having a common religion hardly unites a diverse population. Pakistan Iraq Syria are very good examples. People always tend to be close to their linguistic cultural and ethnic group irrespective of the religion they practice than to a co religionists belonging to another ethnic group. Pakistan and Iraq are very good examples. Within an ethnic group there may be differences on the basis of religion region caste class ETC but they still tend to unite against a common enemy.
Like the author stated I agree that the Muslims of Sri Lanka have every right to differentiate themselves from the rest of the Tamils on the basis of religion and form a different identity, however this identity and difference is based solely on religion not on origin language or ethnicity. This is basically a religious identity and not an ethnic identity. This is where the confusion is. They have every right to form a separate identity based on their religion like the Slavic Bosnian Muslims of Bosnia Hezergovina . Just like they are correctly identified by their Slavic origin and then their religious identity, the Sri Lankan Muslim identity should be correctly identified as Tamil Muslims or Muslim Tamil and not Sri Lankan Moors as there is hardly any Arab or Moorish origin or heritage in them. Being a Muslim does not make you an Arab or Moor. Islam may have originated from the deserts of Arabia but most Muslims are not Arabs. in fat they largely live in the Indian subcontinent and in Idonesia not in the largely Arab middle east. Remember many Arab are Christian and Druse too.
They are Dravidian Tamils from South India who converted to Islam around 700 years ago. A few even older than that and migrated to the island around 500-200 years ago.
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Sama / December 16, 2016
I dont think that a language should be the only criteria to name a person s identification.
I have met myself up with Kurds coming from Irak, Turkey, Syria and several geographical locations of this planet.
I now question more myself -who I am – this article indeed affected on my being.
I think I am born sinhalaya since I was born to a sinhalese family- but after leaving left the country few decades ago, having met with with diverse nationatlities, culutres – now I prefer to call myself as another human being only.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 16, 2016
The Kurdish history is another tragedy just like the Tamils of Sri Lanka and the Palestinian Arab or the Rohinga of Burma. Due to geo politics. Despite living in one continuous contingent land and able to form and sustain a nation of their own that was promised to them by the colonial powers after the first world war. They got played out and when nations were carved out from the former Ottoman empire. Their territory got divided between Turkey ( the larger part) Iraq, Iran, Syria and even Armenia. Now these people of around 22 million covering a huge territory with a lot of oil have been divided between five countries and are suffering genocide and discrimination in all these nations. Saddam Hussein used poison gas on them and Arabised their many of their cities that had oil like Mosul. The Turks banned the use of their language. They fared no better in Syria or Iran. All these nations are Muslim but they still treat their fellow Muslim Kurds so badly. Proving belonging to a common religion and being a Muslim does not mean all are one, they will still kill murder and commit genocide on you if you speak a different language or belong to different religion.
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Samuel Jayaweera / December 18, 2016
who is Keethaponakalan ? Who is tamil ?
My question is why the writer thought of writing an article ont he TOPIC ?
Are there tamils that he feels as not behaving like tamils ?
Why Sinhalaya seem not questioning about the same manner ?
Is that because they the majority of the country are so stupid ?
However the manner SOME sinhalaya extremists behave even today – I feel most of them have no idea what they are talking about.
Best example, please check the comments added by most of sinhalayas to YOUTUBE videos on local politics/regligious issues etc ?
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Seelawathie Jayasinghe / December 18, 2016
Soma – is an apologist for Rajapakshe men:
His posts prove that. I think even read the man s posts.
How can a person be that gulliable and radical ?
These men are blind folded by Rajapakshe for their survivial.
But one thing is clear to anyone – nobody can make the very same nation forever fools.
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Pacs / December 16, 2016
We need to distinguish the the Indian Tamils so to continue to benefit from the slave labour, Cheap inhuman labour throughout sri Lanka and Middle east, asia, To feel superiority over some one, divide and politically weaken the suppressed and oppressed. Need some subject to kill and rape for pleasure. The tea, rubber , coconut owners and traders, employment agencies, middle-eastern house hold s, sri lankan midlle class all needs these slaves
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Pacs / December 16, 2016
“One, there are historical differences between the two groups. Sri Lankan Tamils have a very long history in the country. They are native to Sri Lanka. Hence, they are often called indigenous Tamils. If I remember correctly, K.M. de Silva called Sri Lankan Tamils the “Indigenous Tamils.” Some nationalist Sinhalese believe that Sri Lankan Tamils were of recent origin, hence not native to the country. Nevertheless, Indian Tamils were mostly, but not exclusively, brought to work in the plantations during the colonial era.”
This is an utter Mistake and false statement from lie writing Historians. Look at the geographical Map of the region. Tamils in srilanka and sotuh Tamilnadu are the same people. They were frequent movers of across the sea in both directions. They had relatives both sides. They were travelling both way whenever it was needed, No visa needed then . They mastered sailing . 200 years ago it is common habitation for the Tamils. marriages happened across the water. They may had cultivation or trade on both side of the water. most people from eelam would have moved after the Portuguese tyranny. Those are the people deceived by people smugglers and brought for slave labour in Sri Lankan Tea estale, Most of which area was not inhabited before. The up country and north east Tamils are same people divided and isolated for the last 200 years. The historians lies for their masters. And aristocrats brain washed in history. all made to believe false history. The believers live in lies.
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vas / December 16, 2016
Tamils are not genetically different from sinhalese. Sinhalese and Tamils are mixed but adhering to the cultural dominance of a particular area. When Parakrama Bahu the 6th invaded Jaffna the sinhalese in jaffna helped him. On the other hand the Karawa caste in the sinhala areas are descendants from the migratory fisher folk from Tamil Nadu. These sinhalese interestingly are more recen tmigrants than some tamils in jaffna, the Salagama caste is from kerala etc Both Tamils and sinhalese are closely connected in SL and their behaviour is very different from a indian Tamil of Tamil Nadu.
The Sihala Tamil problem has been mainly created by Sinhala Tamils like Mettananda and Tamil tamil like chelvanayagm who have a inherent middle class problem. Poor Sinhalese and poor tamils have no problem. Basically the problems created was for each group to dominate their societies like the vellalas of Jaffna and the Sinhala buddhist elements in the sinhala areas. It is time the Sinhalese and Tamils realise they are bretheran who have to live in Sri Lanka. Tamils cannot live with tamils in tamil nadu the indian ocean seperates them.
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Dangedera / December 16, 2016
Sri Lankan tamils are so caste driven that they look down on the lesser privileged indentured serfs brought in from S.India to work the plantations. The plantation tamils occupied the lowest rungs of casteist Indian society. This professor seems to be a Ceylon Tamil who is trying to show he is superior. Indian tamils have been the most abused exploited segment of Ceylonese society and continue to form the backbone of the Tea economy. They also work hard and have a reputation of being reliable servants. They have massive levels of poverty, alcoholism, drugs and also incest in the line rooms.
Sadly, the Kandyan peasantry who were displaced by the British Raj to make the plantations were disenfranchised by Indian tamils who were brought in. British ALTERED the demographics of Ceylon and Tamils did this to Ceylonese Sinhala areas. No one wants to have an honest discussion of this FACT. Tamil Indians were sent to Malaysia and Fiji. In Fiji they bred so fast and refused to integrate, it caused problems for REAL FIJIAN native Micronesians. It even led to a military coup when Fijian Indian Tamil estate sugar cane workers and the Baniya class traders, shop keeper Hindi Indians also came in there to Fiji. Josaia Voreqe Bainimarama was right in expressing concerns about his native nation being overrun by Indians who refuse to mix. Same problem with estate tamils in Malaysia. British took these indentured under privileged Tamil Indians and created problems in many nations. What if Sinhale Kandyans want an honest discussion of race and exclusive nationhood based on actual historic FACT and demanded a Sinhala eelam and moving out Indians? It will not work right? So then why the hell do you Jaffna Tamils think you need separatism?
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 16, 2016
Good we need the Sinhalese who were settled in the north and east by Sinhalese led government to alter the Tamil majority demography in these region moved to the Kandyan areas and the Indian Tamil transferred here.
Sri Lankan Tamils caste ridden what a joke the biggest caste ridden population are the Kandyans. Their largely South Indian origin upper castes as evidenced by the DNA of Mano Ratwatte look down upon their lower castes and treated them like surfs. They treated and considered the the low country Sinhalese less than human, especially the recent South Indian origin lower castes like the Karawa Salagama and Durawa , who make up the majority of so called low country Sinhalese. The Sinhalese Govigamma called them Demala Jarawa meaning Tamil dirt or the dirt of the Tamils, derogatively referring to their lowly south Indian Tamil origin. They never allowed them to build proper homes but live in hovels until the British banned this custom . The upper caste Govigamma would not allow these Demala Jarawa to entry their Buddhist temples or to be ordained as monks. They had to run to Burma and found get help to found their own Buddhist orders and open their own temples. Even now certain Buddhist sects will not allow a non Govigamma to be ordained as a monk.
Unlike the Tamils who will select a lower caste person or a Christian as their leader the Sinhalese will only elect an upper caste Govigamma Buddhist as their leader. All Govigamma Christians like Bandaranaike, Jayawardene Etc had to convert to Buddhism to become leaders of the Sinhalese.
lastly the Kandyan peasants were never displaced. That is a big lie. They were lazy and did not want to work, Therefore the British had to import Tamil labour from South India and they were largely settled in virgin jungle land that was cleared to create tea estates. Like in Nuwara Eliya, Talawakelle Haputale, Bandarawella. very few Sinhalese lived here. This is the reason the vast majority of the Indian origin estate Tamils are found in these areas and they predominate here. They never displaced anyone. They cleared the virgin jungles here to create the world famous tea estates in Ceylon. Stop lying racist
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Non PhD / December 16, 2016
M.Ratwatte,
In Sri Lankan context you singling out for cast practices is flawed. In fact the Christian ( both Catholic and Non catholic ) Schools in the NE admitted students from all backgrounds regardless of students cast.In response to establishment of Christian schools, many philanthrophists / founders including Brahmins started Hindu School and cast was not a barrier. Later on Hindu Board also started their group of Hindu Schools and cast was not a barrier for admission.
Until free education was introduced students from poor background had problems with admissions to elite schools and also continuing their studies beyond Primary School.
With regards to temples, the temple entry propoganda intiated by the left parties in the NE were successful. The emergence of Tamil rebel groups accelated the entry and now there is no more temple in the NE who practices cast based entry.
Sadly all over SL , In marriage and private scocial functions, social visits still cast plays a role.
This is true for all religious groups.
Reading Sinhalese matrimonial columns in some of the newspapers will prove this point.
So M.Ratwatte,what do you think of the politicians and political leaders from the majority Sinhala Buddhist communities are mainly from higher cast. Do a pattern study since 1948.
Go to Tangalle and ask the ordinary people about Rajapakse Clan or to Kandy or Kegalle and ask the ordinary people about Senanayake or Bandaranayake clans.
I am not sure about the cast of Sir John Kottalawela, W. Dahanayake and Wijeyaratne.
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Ravi-Telugu / December 16, 2016
[Therefore, I subscribe to the idea that Muslims are not Tamils. ]
Tamil Muslims in India never claimed so. They claimed as Tamils and never claimed with religious identity. They use it only to identify Urdu Muslim, Tamil Muslims.
Muslims of Hyderabad and Telangana can create no common platform with Muslims in the rest of Andhra because there is nothing in common with them other than religion. Most Muslims who live in Andhra region are Telugu speaking unlike the Hyderabadi Muslims or those of Telangana origin. (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/The-Muslim-question/articleshow/10695169.cms)
Therefore, I subscribe to the idea that Muslims are Tamils.
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Pacs / December 16, 2016
A child should have the right and beloning to the land where he or she i/was born. That will be the humanityism. I do not know what the animals and birds do?
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MYM Siddeek / December 16, 2016
The truth is the term ‘Islamic Thamilarkals’ was used to make an attempt to deny their distinguished identity and thereby their rights, from Ramanathan to Prabaharan.
Although a very few Muslims have Sinhala as their mother tongue, mostly they use Tamil as their mother tongue even those who live outside the North and East. It does not make them Tamils. There are many historic reasons why they are a separate entity.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 16, 2016
What are the historic reasons? Please tell me? What is this distinguished identity? I am eager to know? What makes you more distinguished and separate from the Hindu and Christian Tamils? Just because your Hindu Tamils converted to Islam ? Or is it because you think that a little bit of Arab or whatever amongst certain Tamil Muslim families makes all Tamil Muslims separate with another distinguished identity? Your parent population in Tamil Nadu from whom all Sri Lankan Muslims are descended from do not think so. They consider themselves Tamils who are Muslim by faith and other than their religion nothing else distinguishes them from the rest of the Tamils. May be when you crossed the sea and migrated to the island you became distinguished and needed a separate identity from the rest of the Tamils to survive and advance.
Muslims belonging to other ethnicities in the India subcontinent do not think that they are distinguished and separate from their non Muslim brothers and claim a different ethnicity just based on religion. They are still Malayali Bengali Punjabi Gujarathi. Only the Tamil Muslims in Sri Lank claim a different ethnicity based on their religion and the Sinhalese led Sri Lankan government and the Sinhalese encourage this to divide and rule the Tamils. Your different identity is only based on religion not on ethnicity, for you are neither descended from Arabs or Moors but from Hindu Dravidian Indian Tamils who converted to Islam around 700 years ago. A little bit of Arab does not make you Arab. You are still Tamil. A Tamil Muslim. Just like the Slavic Muslims of Bosnia.
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Ravi-Telugu / December 17, 2016
what is your mother tongue?
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 16, 2016
Keethaponcalan,
They say, “Dr. S. I. Keethaponcalan is Chair of the Conflict Resolution Department, Salisbury University, Maryland”.
So you must be one of the guys who want to keep conflicts going because, without any conflicts to resolve, you will have nothing to resolve, except perhaps your domestic conflicts, and you would be loosing your chair. We do not want that to happen do we? That would remove a substantial contribution to that World Tamil Something.
Who is the world’s biggest conflict maker? Since WW 2, we had the Korean war, Vietnam war, Iraq War, Syrian War, Libyan war, the list is as long as the Mississippi and the award goes to US of A.
Why does America do it? Because they are devils? No. It is because they want to sell the weapons they make. They are just good businessmen – not devils. After all, Americans cannot even make LED TV’s now. They don’t know how to. That is why we saw Americans fighting for TV’s on Thanksgiving day, like dogs fighting for a rotten chunk of meat. You will not see such sights even in the least advanced nations.
The only thing they make are weapons. Terrible weapons, like the drones controlled from Virginia. The man who used to kill thousands of civilians got the Nobel Peace Prize. Can you point out a more bitter irony?
So coming back to your specialty, can you tell us one conflict you have helped resolve? just one. Or is it all classified? May be it will be easier for you to give the conflicts that you have helped to add fuel to. Like the Eelam war.
While you guys are going about your work, have you ever thought about the harm, the misery, the suffering that you have caused to your own community here in SL? That karma will follow you everywhere you go like a wheel following bull in a bullock cart life after life, if not this life. It will you follow your children and your children’s children until it exhaust it self like one of those hurricanes that hit the US South. Think about it.
With all those crimes committed Samantha Powers has the gumption to talk of shame as if she were a newborn babe. Good thing your sponsor Hillary Killary was defeated, never to come back.
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jim softy / December 16, 2016
Edwin rodrigo:
So you must be one of the guys who want to keep conflicts going because, without any conflicts to resolve, you will have nothing to resolve, except perhaps your domestic conflicts, and you would be loosing your chair.
I heard some where near a University, one whole street is lines with the NGO mudalalis and they want to solve all the world issues. Probably, Church, George Zorro and the COA funds them. They may have funded this chair.
the need is to how to dismantle other nations and produce shanty nations what they call democratic and they fighting alone ethnic lines.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Jim softy, get lost. keep away from talk that is beyond your intelligence. Jim hardy, go attend to your hard problem with your friend kalaveddah. shoo. shoo.
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jim softy / December 17, 2016
EDWIN RODRIGO:
YOu are selling MR you AH. I did not come to your camp.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Thank you for that. With the smell of your kalavedi friend, I don’t want a smelling pig in my camp.
Kalaveddahs and half kalavedi pigs, shoo! shoo!
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Rohan / December 17, 2016
He is in conflict with himself as he is actually an Indian Tamil Catholic Paravan now passing off as an ardent Sinhalese Buddhist nationalist. This change did not happen a few generations ago but during his lifetime. From a Tamil Catholic to Sinhalese Buddhist. No wonder he is so conflicted and crying out in pain
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Dolalanga Manike / December 17, 2016
That is exactly what your Athigaru wants.
So long conflicts remain, he can fish on muddy waters.
Jim bumsy, even if your cesspit permits lies, you tongue seem remaining genuine (kata borukeewath diwa boru nokiyai)
Your cry is for nothing.
You guys make it worse inthis country today.
That is simply a curse. Ebola would have been no dagerous but you.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 16, 2016
The Muslim Mappilla of Kerala have the most amount of Arab amongst all the Muslim communities in the sub continent, however even when checking their Y-haplogroup frequencies of Mappila, this is what is revealed, despite their constant claim to large scale Arab origin and ancestry, they were largely of Indian ancestry and only 10% Arab.
H1a: 22.5% – Dravidian
H2: 5% – Dravidian
J2: 10% (Dravidian if J2b)
J*(J1): 10% – Arab
L: 10% – Dravidian
K: 5% – Dravidian
R1a1: 32.5% – Indo-Aryan
R2: 5% – Dravidian
As you can see, the Arab ancestry accounts for 10% of the population. The rest Indian. 32% of them descendants of Prakrit speaking population due to the large scale forced conversion of upper caste Hindu Namboothiri Brahmin, Nair, Menon and Nambiars who migrated to Kerala via Tulu Nadu. The rest 58% are native Dravidian tribes.
If the Malayalee Mappila Musim from the western part of India, where extensive trade and settlement took place, have only around 10% Arab ancestry and the rest Malayalam or Chera Tamil ancestry Indo Aryan or Dravidian. The Arab ancestry and heritage amongst the Tamil Muslims from the eastern part of India will be very much less. 5% if I am very generous but more like 2-3%. Which is negligible and not worth bothering about. Yet these people use their religion and Arab origin myth to ignore their 97% or more Tamil Dravidian ancestry and keep on crowing about their Arab origin ancestry that is negligible and claim that they are not Tamils but Tamil speaking Arabs or Moors.
In ancient Kerala that was Tamil Chera Nadu and in modern Tamil Nadu ancient Muslim and Christian communities formed around merchant guilds. Members of these guilds may have been Dravidian or Prakrit speaking immigrants from the north, who now have adopted the Dravidian language. Therefore these immigrant Jewish, Arab and Christians assimilated with the locals did not change the linguistic or genetic identity much but profoundly changed the cultural identity. This is the reason this clamour we are not Dravidian or Indian but Arab.
Oppana (Malayalam: ഒപ്പന) is a popular form of social entertainment among the Mappila (Kerala Muslims) community of Kerala, South India, prevalent all over Kerala, especially in Malappuram. The Malayalam word ‘Oppana Pattu’ is the derivation of the Tamil word ‘Oppanai Pattu’
You can see the three types of Oppana performed by the three major religious communities in Kerala of this traditional form of dance song and entertainment. Amongst the Muslim Mappila its largely used during weddings.
This is a traditional Muslim Mappila Oppana
You can see how Hindu the dance and culture is and the women other than the bride wear the tradition white attire of Kerala and the cloth and Jacket worn by Malayalee women other than the head dress to show their Muslims. Most Tamils can still understand most of the language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBsHLv-kmas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIaLNvnKU3M&list=RDHZHHS3F_Ayw&index=6
Here is a Kerala Muslim Mappila song from a famous movie
These are from the Christian Mappila of Kerala or called the Syrian Christians of Kerala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4txGVf6VCBU
Hindu women dancing Oppana in kerala in traditional style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrohVpA408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSG2sJWt9pU
on a funny note I will leave you with nuns dancing Oppana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vno8WeCNJ4
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Rajash / December 16, 2016
I subscribe to the idea that the analysis in this article is wrong.
Applying the same argument –
Tamil Christian are not Tamils but Christians
Tamil Catholics are not Tamils but Catholics.
Rajan Hoole is a good example. He has written in CT and:
He claims he is a Christian first and Tamil Second.
He claims he is being discriminated because he is looked upon as a Christian first and a Tamil Second
How about low caste Tamils
Vellala Tamils treat them as low caste first and as Tamils second
So I am sorry Dr I do not subscribe to your analysis
Instead of micro analysing lets all Tamil speaking people of Sri Lanka unite regardless of caste, religion, origin
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MYM Siddeek / December 16, 2016
A man on the street (layman) asked me these questions:
1. If the Sri Lankan Muslims are also Tamils why were they killed in hundreds in the mosques by the Tamil militants?
2. If the Sri Lankan Muslims are also Tamils why did the Tamil militants surrounded the Muslim villages and killed even pregnant women pulling out the unborn baby from her womb ? Then they killed they baby too.
3. If the Muslims are also Tamils why did the Tamil militants expelled the entire Muslims population from the North?
4. If the Muslims are also Tamils why did the Tamil militants destroyed dozens of their mosques?
5. Why did not the Tamils (who argue that the Muslims are also Tamils) raise their voice for the Muslims when these happened if they are part of the Tamil community?
He concluded saying that the Tamil militants showed to the world by these barbaric acts the Sri Lankan Muslims are not part of the Sri Lankan Tamil community. They are a separate entity.
The Muslims strongly believe that the term ‘Islamic Thamilarkal’ has been used by some Tamil politicians and some movements with ulterior motive to deny their legitimate rights and suppress their aspirations.
If I want to be called X why do you want to argue with me and say you are not X but you are Y? Is it your business? It is your business if you have an ulterior motive to benefit from it!
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Rajash / December 16, 2016
I presume you are the same guy who wrote the blog “The Myth About The University Admissions Criteria”
You are very clever in using the words “Tamil Militants”.
Your argument is that, because LTTE allegedly committed these atrocities against Muslims; Muslims are not considered Tamils?
I am sure that I don’t need to tell you and you know very well that LTTE also committed many atrocities against the fellow Tamils.
Then you ask and I quote “Why did not the Tamils (who argue that the Muslims are also Tamils) raise their voice for the Muslims when these happened if they are part of the Tamil community? “
well let me ask you when did the Muslims raise their voice for their “Fellow Tamils” when they were massacred and raped year after year in the govt sponsored racial program against the Tamils?
Look what is happening in Syria and all over the Muslim world.
Two sects of the same Muslim religion cant live peacefully with each other.
Your argument in the blog “The Myth About The University Admissions Criteria” was flawed.
..and yet again
did to the Muslims is For you to argue that just because LTTE committed all these
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Rajash / December 17, 2016
“did to the Muslims is For you to argue that just because LTTE committed all these “
this is editorial oversite
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Nilamdeen Senanayake / December 17, 2016
Rajash
You are right.They are not Tamil /Hindu militants .They are Infact Tami/Hindul terrorists.No matter what Tamils say about Muslims/Sri Lankan Moors, if they wish to feel different that’s their right and no body else’s bloody buissness., This whole attempt to include the Muslims in the broad category of Tamil speaking people is an old and failed /failing conspiracy against SRI Lanka and the Muslims per say.Needless to say the Muslims/SRI Lankan Moors will NEVER subscribe to it.So Siva/Rajash keep barking at the moon but nothing will change the view of Muslims.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 17, 2016
Yes a so called Sinhalese with an odd name using the tactic to divide and rule Tamils on the basis of religion caste region. Muslim Tamils want to be different and distance themselves from their actual South Indian Tamil Dravidian immigrant origin, they all become Moors and not Tamils.
Colombo Chetty and Tamil Paravans both immigrant Tamil communities belonging to the Chettiar( trading) and the other Paravan now called Bhartha( fishing)that migrated from South India again and also want to distance themselves from their actual Indian Tamil origin, so are now not Tamils any more but called Colombo Chetty and Bharatha their caste name. It is hilarious as these are specific Tamil castes not found amongst other ethnic groups. It is like some one stating I am not Sinhalese but Govigamma and this stupid claim in entertained by the government to divide and rule the Sinhalese.
Very soon they will move from Colombo Chetty to Sinhalese Hetti ( as some have already done eg Hettiarachchi) and from Paravan/Bharatha to Sinhalese Bharatakula like our friend Edwin Rodrigo has done.
It is only the indigenous Tamils from the north and east and the Indian origin estate Tamils who proudly maintained their Tamil identity and ethnicity, despite attempts by the Sinhalese establishment to further divide them or forcibly convert parts of them to Sinhalese ethnicity, just like they did to the Tamil population in Negombo Chilaw and Puttalam 60 years ago.
Any attempt by any individual and Tamil religious regional or caste group to break away from the Tamil ethnicity and feel different is actively encouraged as this will further weaken divide and finally destroy the Tamils. On the contrary the Sinhalese government and establishment make every attempt is made to further consolidate the Sinhalese identity, irrespective
of religion caste or region. At the time of independence the difference between the Muslim and non Muslim Tamils was negligible, even if they were called Moors. All Tamils were classified as one single ethnic group Indian origin and . However the difference between the Kandyan and low country Sinhalese was so huge that the Kandyan Sinhalese considered themselves a separate people from the low country, many still do and will not intermarry into them. It was the Kandyans and not the Sri Lankan Tamils who first demanded a federal state for their lands and many still want it.
Now after 60 years the Sinhalese government and establishment has taken great pains to make what was a huge difference into something minor. Prior to 1977 Kandyans Sinhalese were treated and counted on the census as a separate ethnic group from the low country Sinhalese. The racist Srimavo government banned this and stated all Sinhalese are one. On the contrary Tamils who were one ethnic group and counted as one are now divided into indigenous and Indian origin. Colombo Chetties and Baratha or Paravans, all Tamil castes, who were part of the Tamil ethnic group after 1983 are now counted as not as Tamils but as two different ethnic groups. Every effort is still being made to further divide the Tamils with the help of certain Tamil quislings. Muslim Tamils have now been successfully divided from the Tamils and have miraculously become Moors. Now they want to divide the Tamils further. Christian and Hindu Tamils, Northern and Eastern Tamils, Low caste and high caste Tamils so that all these divided Tamil groups will squabble amongst themselves and ultimately be destroyed. However so far they have failed miserably to make further inroads, as most Tamils have seen through this diabolic trick.
The Tamil Muslims thought that by distancing and denouncing their actual Tamil Dravidian identity from South India and claiming a fake Arab/Moor Identity, will be greatly advantageous to them. Especially their southern elite and establishment who are still desperately trying to cling to this idea. However the Sinhalese only encouraged this to divide and rule and get these fake Arab/Moor Tamil Muslims on their side, whilst they deal with the restive Tamils who wanted their rights. These Dravidian fake Moors from South India also to prove a point that they are not Tamils but indeed Tamil speaking Moors jumped to help the Sinhalese racists to kill rape loot ethnically cleans and commit genocide on the island’s Tamils. A Muslim minister named Badudeen even hatched out an evil plot called standardisation to gain furher brownie points from the Sinhalese to keep out Tamil student as much as possible and to admit only a token few to the universities.
Until the Tamils were defeated the Sinhalese to keep these fake Arab/Moor backstabbing immigrant Dravidian Indian Tamil Muslims on their side, were throwing lots of crumbs and other benefits that rightfully should have gone to the Tamils to them, which they gratefully and gleefully lapped up. Even have promised the Tamil east to them if they help them to ethnically cleanse and kill the eastern Tamils and to settle Sinhalese to reduce the Tamil majority in the east and they did this too. Now that they Sinhalese have defeated the Tamils. They have turned their attention on these lying sly backstabbing fake Arab/Moor immigrant Tamil Muslims from south India and they are squealing like pigs and protesting, why us we helped you in your genocidal dance to kill Tamils so not touch us but kill the remaining Tamils. This is what all their blogger write.
If the LTTE is terrorist all Sinhalese led Sri Lankan governments and Sinhalese armed forces and the backstabbing fake Arab Indian Tamil origin Tamil Muslims are genocidal war criminals, as that the LTTE did was child’s play compared to what they did to the island’s Tamils from the time of independence. There was no LTTE for the first 30 years of independence and no LTTE now but the discrimination and marginalisation of the island’s Tamils is continuing even under this government that largely came because of the Tamils. Proves it is not the LTTE that is at fault but the Sinhalese. The LTTE are no saints but they are only responsible for around 5% of the violence and most of it was directed to the Sinhalese armed forces and Sinhalese and Muslim thugs and home guards. No one can accuse the LTTE of raping or looting the Sri Lankan armed forces and Muslims did to the Tamils. 95% of the violence was committed by the Sinhalese Srilankan government the armed forces/police all Sinhalese again and the Muslims thugs and home guards and the 99% of their victims were not the LTTE they deliberately targeted innocent Tamil civilians. Within 60 Years they reduced the island’s Tamil population ( excluding the Muslims) from 26-28% at the time of independence. They made one million Indian origin Tamil stateless after living in the country for more than 150 years and earning its foreign exchange. They then chased out around 1.2 million Indigenous Tamils out of the country in the past 30 years. Killed around 300000 innocent Tamil civilians around 145000 in May 2009. All deliberately done. Who is the terrorist and war criminal?
The Tamil Muslims have every right to identify themselves as a separate ethnic people and no one is stopping them, least of all the Tamils and we know we do not have the power to stop this, as their elite and Sinhalese establishment want this. However they should be correctly identified as Tamil Muslims or Muslim Tamils like the Slavic Muslims of Bosnia, as they are Slavs who are Muslims. Not Moors or Arabs as they are not. This is something deliberate and mischievous done to hoodwink and sabotage Tamil unity. Their identity is religious and not ethnic or racial, just because you converted to Islam does not mean you not a Tamil and become an Arab or Moor. Citing far fetched distant Arab/Moorish ancestry for a few families as proof of Arab or Moorish origin for the entire community will not work.
I don’t want to be Tamil Brahmin anymore but feel like being an Eskimo, dress like them eat meat and worship their gods. Can I also change my Identity from Tamil to Eskimo as this is what I feel like and want?
Only in Sri Lanka duty to dirty racist politic to divide and rule the Tamils a religion has now become an ethnicity. No where else in the world being a Muslim has become an ethnicity. It is a religious identity not a racial or ethnic identity.
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Rajash / December 17, 2016
Nilamdeen Senanayake
are you Nilamdeen or Senanayake
you are a typical example of a confused Muslim.
you guys don’t know if you are a Muslim or Tamil or Sinhalese.
you guys are thoppi guys want to scrounge and get the best from both
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jim softy / December 17, 2016
MYM Siddeek:
It is the same with Sinhala people.
They argue sinhala people are mostly Tamils who became Sinhala.
then next time they argue, Sinhala people are oppressing Tamils, So, we want our eelam.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 17, 2016
I think you are the same nasty man who blogged about standardisation trying to convince everyone that standardisation was wonderful, may gave been for you, and it greatly benefited the Tamils( sic). You failed miserably in your attempt to white wash the crime that the Muslim Iblis Badudeen hatched out with racist Sinhalese Srimavo to deny Tamils children higher education and had to retreat with your tail between your legs.
Now you are coming here with another cock and bull story about the man in the street asking you, just like your friend from Jaffna another concocted fiction to justify your lies.
Yes the LTTE attacked Muslims in the east and this was only after heavily armed Muslims home guards deliberately armed by the Sinhalese armed forces. started to attack Tamil Hindu villages and committed large scale rape looting killing ethnic cleansing burning and destroying Hindu temples, that killed destroyed and chased thousands of Tamils from their lands.
Tamils and the Tamilised Vedda of the east are the real indigenous population not you Muslims who came here a few centuries ago begging for asylum and refuge from Portuguese and Sinhalese persecution.
As fellow Tamils, we took pity on your plight and gave you land to live and women to start a family, instead of being grateful and living amicably with us, the Muslims in the east urged by pro Sinhalese nasty southern Muslims like you were conniving with the Sinhalese to steal our land from us and are still in bed with the very same Sinhalese racist groups that are attacking the Muslims down south.
The brutality of these armed Muslim home guards towards the Hindu Tamils were so bad that finally even Sinhalese army officers were forced to intervene and put a stop to it. Even now in many parts of the east Muslims are still occupying the Tamil lands that they illegally seized and are not allowing the Tamil owners who legally own these lands to return. Stop lying
In 1985 at the behest of JR Jayawardene the then Minister Mohammed sent heavily armed Muslim thugs who had taken part in the killing and looting spree against the Tamils in July 1983 to Kalmunai in the east to terrorise the Tamil population there. Do not lie it is all recorded. This was the beginning of the animosity between the Tamils and the Tamil Muslims in the east, that was orchestrated by JR and his henchman minister Mohammed from the south. Strangely his family and business name Nagoor Meera shows his family’s Tamil origin from Nagoor in Tamil Nadu. A centre for Tamil Islamic culture.
The LTTE only started to attack Muslims in the east after all these incidents and also what happened to the Tamils down south at the hands of Sinhalese and Muslim mobs. What the LTTE did was nothing and child’s play compared to what the Muslims did to the Tamils. Evidence how many Muslims/Sinhalese displaced in the east. Hardly anyone. How many Tamils displaced in the east. Hundreds of thousands. Yes these people lies and exaggerate but keep quiet about the what the Muslims home guards did and how the friction really started in the east.
The Muslims use to hide their arms inside the mosques thinking that no one will dare to search raid or attack a mosque. This habit of using the mosque as an arms depot is widely used not only in Sri Lanka but throught the world. When ever there was going to be a raid on a neighbouring Tamil Hindu village, these Muslim home guards used to go to the mosque to collect their arms and pray to Allah to bless their attack on the Hindu Kaffirs who ironically allowed them to live amongst them and gave them refuge and women a few centuries ago. This is why the LTTE attacked these mosques, not because they were just mosques but were acting as arms depots. These Muslims know these truth but try to twist and omit to justify their lies.
The only innocent people who paid for the evil and violence that the southern and eastern Muslims committed against the Tamils were the northern Muslims. They did spy for the Sri Lankan armed forces against the Tamils and when the LTTE found this out did not want a repeat of what happened in the south and east to happen in the north and packed the 75000 Muslims living in the north to the neighbouring Putatlam district.
Just because all these incidents happened it still does not refute the fact that Muslims in Sri Lanka are Tamil by ethnicity and not Arabs or Moors. During the partition of India the most amount of violence between the HIndus/Sikhs against Muslims and vice versa took place in two provinces, the Punjab and in Bengal. In the Punjab Muslim Hindu and Sikh Punjabi were fighting and killing each other and millions were displaced. The same in Bengal Hindu and Muslims Bengali were killing each other and many were displaced here too. The killing in these two provinces were not done by outsiders but in the name of religion one fellow Punjabi or Bengali was killing another fellow Punjabi or Bengali. No Tamil Malayali Hindi speaking person or Gujarati came and killed them. However even now with all this violence amongst them they all still proudly identify themselves as Punjabi or Bengali as this is what they are. Just because at one time violence and animosity took place amongst them and is still taking place, a Muslim Punjabi or Bengali does not use this as an excuse to change their identity to Moor or Arab they still remain Punjabi or Bengali. Your race ethnicity never changes just because something happened. If you fight amongst members of your family or relatives you do not become someone else or a stranger, you still are a member of that family and they your relatives. In Lebanon Christian Arab fought Muslim Arab in Iraq and Syrian Sunni Muslim Arabs are fighting Shia Arabs but yet they all remain Arab, despite hating or not liking each other.
Your arguments are weak stupid and do not make sense. Just quoting friction between Muslim Tamils and Hindu/Christian Tamils that is only very recent, largely created by selfish Muslim populations and the racist Sinhalese establishment to divide and rule the Tamils, as proof that Muslims in the island are not Tamils is laughable and weak. If you were educated and intelligent enough you could have explained all this to the fictional man in the street. Amen(It is not only Christian but even Islamic)
May God bless you brother.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 16, 2016
The Sinhala Alphabet
Here is the full Sinhala alphabet.
a ,ā ,æ ,ǣ ,i ,ī ,u ,ū , ,e ,ē ,ai ,o ,ō ,au ,ru ,rū ,li ,lī ,ka ,kha ,ga ,gha ,nga ,nnga , , ,ca ,cha ,ja ,jha ,kna ,gna ,ñja ,Ṭa ,Ṭha ,Ḍa ,Ḍha ,Ṇa ,ṆḌa , , ,ta ,tha ,da ,dha ,na ,nda , , ,pa ,pha ,ba ,bha ,ma ,mba , , ,ya ,ra ,la ,Ḷa ,va ,ha , ,śa ,Ṣa ,sa ,fa
අ, ආ, ඇ, ඈ, ඉ, ඊ, උ, ඌ, එ, ඒ, ඓ, ඔ, ඕ, ඖ, ක, ඛ, ග, ඝ, ඞ, ඟ, ච, ඡ, ජ, ඣ, ඤ, ඥ, ඦ, ට, ඨ, ඩ, ඪ, ණ, ඬ, ත, ථ, ද, ධ, න, ඳ, ප, ඵ, බ, භ, ම, ඹ, ය, ර, ල, ළ, ව, හ, ශ, ෂ, ස, ෆ
Some are accusing us of borrowing, borrowing and borrowing from other cultures like the yahapalana government borrowing money. Yes, we have the astuteness to borrow but at the same time we have the judgment to retain only good things. That is why we have not borrowed anything from Tamils except for their love Gurus.
The Tamil alphabet does not have vowels æ ,ǣ, e ,ē (ඇ, ඈ, එ, ඒ) and some consonants like cha and ha.
Thus හරී හොඳයි becomes අරී ඔන්දයි.
Once I wanted to buy some eggs from a wayside grocery run by a Tamil here and the conversation went like this:
ER: Please give me 10 eggs.
Tamil: what? We don’t have them.
ER: What about these? (showing an egg tray)
Tamil: Oh… Adeyappa. You mean Yeggs. Heh! Heh!
And then he gave a secretive glance at his assistance which had ‘man cannot pronounce English properly’ written all over it.
The problem with Tamil is not only the missing letters but how it sounds when spoken. It is horrible to listen to the Tamils conversing in Tamil – well to tell you the truth not only Tamil it is horrible to listen to them speaking any language. But worst of all Tamil. It is so rough and start stop like pebbles falling on palmyrah leaves.
Where I am working, the Arabs crowd around when our Tamil technician starts to use the phone to call another Tamil. A sample:
Allo!… Yennappa sinnappa…. Shari. Shari. Anda paal yirikiyaa—– (the yirikiyaa — Comes with the typical Tamil tilt — So funny to hear and the Arabs break in to the chorus aaaaaa imitating the tilt perfectly) .
The man used to come to work with 3 strokes of holy ash on his forehead complete with a big yellow pottu and a small red bulls eye at the center, ignoring the fact the Arabs hate that. Good things fire arms are controlled here.
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Rajash / December 17, 2016
” The man used to come to work with 3 strokes of holy ash on his forehead complete with a big yellow pottu and a small red bulls eye at the center.”
“when the Buddhist monks in yellow robe come to ; you don’t know if they are thugs with firearms and kassipu under their yellow robe or genuine monks”
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Rjajash, you think too much for your little kalavedi brain. Buddhist monks like Gnanasara may one day eat you up in one gulp and spit out your bones. Look at his stature, it matters not whether he is wearing a yellow robe or nothing at all. You will freeze like a kalveddah under a search light. But one thing they don’t do is to work in the Middle East.
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Rajash / December 17, 2016
“But one thing they don’t do is to work in the Middle East. “
yeah they leave it to the Sinhala ladies to work as prostitute’s for the smelly Arabs and clean the toilets of the smelly Arabs and send the foreign exchange for the likes of Ganasara thugs to hide behind the yellow robes and drink kassipu
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
The Gene Trade
Rajash, Rajash, Rjash, don’t you see what is happening to you? The Kalavedi gene is affecting your brain. You are becoming more and more stupid by the day. Of course, you did not have too much of it to start with. But you are already accelerating down the slippery slope of extinction.
Our ladies going to ME is part of our business plan of Gene Trading. The Arabs get them pregnant and give the offspring part of their genes and their Y-chromosome – all at a price.
Our maids in turn give the Arab genes to us and through us and the Bamas you get it. So you end up with the Arab genes as well as ours. As a result of that, you get more and smelly because Arabs are smelly as you have found.
The increasing levels of stink keeps the Bamas away from you and they become more and more dependent on us pleasure as well as genes. It is a positive feed back cycle.
Go to Dr. Amarasiri for a further explanation if you do not understand.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Rajash, Oh My Gaban Atha, I just saw the Navalar article by Ratnajeevann Hoole. My first reaction, was Oh My Gaban Atha, is this someone from the Zulu tribe in Africa, with war paint, ready to go in to battle?
It was not. But that was hardly a relief. 3 strokes not only on the forehead but in so many other visible places. The mind boggles at how many more in hidden places?
Hoole, please don’t spring up apparitions things like this on unsuspecting readers like us without giving us sufficient notice. It can be something like ‘Hidu Guidance recommended’ or some such inote. Otherwise, It can give a heart attack. If my Arab friends see it, they will think that those lines have been drawn up for the convenience of any Jihadi John who decides to slice him up as an infidel.
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Rajash / December 17, 2016
ER: What about these? (showing an egg tray)
was there any eggs in the egg tray?
unless of course you wanted buy the empty egg tray but didn’t articulate properly
no wonder you are the one who cant speck English properly
you plonker!
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Rajash, “was there any yeggs in the yegg tray”? Can you see anything wrong there? No! I did not think you would.
rajash, for a kallathoni, you write fairly good English.
Yeny vay, coming back to yeggs, yesh dorai, yeggs there. mAny mAny yeggs, shum yin tray and two yelse where.
Here is an anecdote:
Two kallathonis, rajash and kalaveddah were practicing English.
rajash: Yennada ishland? (translation- what is an island? kallathoni pronounciation: ish as is – not eye)
kalaveddah: Ishland ish a land yendirely shorounded by wottah )(island is a land entirely surrounded by water).)
rajash: Yennada beach? (but the kalaveddah because of his closeness to lower animals in an evolutionary sense hears ‘beach’ as ‘bitch’)
kalaveddah: Bitch is yen yenimal yendirely shorounded by dogs.
I don’t think I have to translate that.
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Rajash / December 17, 2016
EDWIN RODRIGO – to be honest your writings and your so called jokes are very dry and not funny at all.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Rajash, you poor thing! You think I am joking? Would not even dream of doing so. It is a sad thing for anthropologists to see a whole species (kallathonis in this case) in the brink of mass extinction due to immersion of their yeggs in salt water and depending on a highly undependable group of population to keep up their gene stocks.
Of course you understand that they have to keep it up to keep up the gene stocks, which they are unable to. Hope I am not talking in riddles.
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Rajash / December 18, 2016
You think I am joking?
No you are joker
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 17, 2016
Edward Rodrigo,
Do you know that a part of the Hill Countey Tamils are of Andra origin and speak Tamil with a Telungu slant. The ‘y’ sound precedes a lot of words in Telungu. Tamil/Thamil is their adopted language. The ‘Y’ slant also occurs when the Telungu people of India, especially the less schooled try to speak English.
Dr.RN
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Native Vedda / December 18, 2016
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
I suspect Edward Rodrigo was adopted by Telungu Speaking up country people when he was abandoned by his natural parents. His birth could have been an accident or unnatural.
Maybe he is hiding his family secret, just to fit in with others.
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Dan Fernando / December 18, 2016
What you guys seem not getting is – Edwin Rodrigo is caught by his mental asylum being in that ME open prison. He himself says he is killing time these days. So he may be not knowing what he is writing about.
Poor guy should go to a specialist. Else, I really dont know why an adult as a sexaganorian behaves like a teenager in transition.
Instead, we could better exchange lot on the topic. Here not to overlook, he has been enjoying comments by commenting to any prepostorous comments.
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Taraki / December 17, 2016
Pathetic attempt to match ER.
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Native Vedda / December 17, 2016
EDWIN RODRIGO
You are learning, a sign of evolution, much needed and welcome. As a beginner, you are doing well.
However, you have a Himalayan task before you. Try hard one day you will catch up with our fellow commentators.
About the Tamil accent/dialects you typed above, it sounds like Bhasha Madarasa, not Tamil.
Did you hear him right?
Did you hear him say:
Annanṇṭa (அந்நாண்ட) Attu (அட்டு) Gabbu (கப்பு) Thangalei (தாங்கலே). Bēmānī (பேமானி) Yegīrī (யெகிரி) Bējār (பேஜாறு) Panraan (பன்றான்).
Let me give you the translation tomorrow.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
kalavedddah, Evolution works in funny ways just as Gods work. Most are improving, while some like you are stuck up there on a branch stinking more and more and in an evolutionary downward slope.
Anyway, please get out of my ceiling. shoo! shoo!
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Native Vedda / December 18, 2016
EDWIN RODRIGO
Are you up to something, may be an urge to mate with kalavedddah? What would you call your off springs Sikalave?
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Taraki / December 17, 2016
I have to agree with you Edwin. There is nothing funny about the Tamil language but the accent is hilarious. I don’t know why, it just is. All over the world people burst into laughter on hearing it. It is a most pronounced Indian accent. LOL
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Ravi-Telugu / December 17, 2016
It is hilarious of adding ya to all Indian words to claim it as Sinhala word.
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Native Vedda / December 17, 2016
Taraki
“I have to agree with you Edwin. There is nothing funny about the Tamil language but the accent is hilarious. I don’t know why, it just is.”
The reason is that you are another racist, no.
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Taraki / December 17, 2016
No, you don’t have to be a racist to find an accent funny. Various Chinese and African accents are mimicked all over the place but the Indian and especially the Tamil accent is unique in the amusement it produces. Get over it.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Dropping ෆ
Taraki, you say, “There is nothing funny about the Tamil language but the accent is hilarious”.
I agree. The language is OK as languages go and it is more advanced and less funny than the kalavedi language. Someone was asking why there are no Tamil Buddhists. I discovered the reason to be their alphabet. These guys drop sounds that they consider harsh, such as ha. Following that trend, they dropped (or never had) the mahaprana sounds such as ඛ, ඝ, ඡ, ඨ, ඪ, ථ, ධ, ඵ, භ and even ෆ. So how do you expect them to say even the most basic thing in Buddhism, බුද්ධ, ධම්ම, සංඝ? The Dhamma is completely inaccessible to them.
But what they lack in quality, they make up in quantity by having 330 million Gods, including monkeys and donkeys. Recently they added deitified kalaveddahs too and the went up to 330,000,001. Numbers are growing like their population but the quality is taking a nose dive.
But having ෆ is the real sucker. They cannot tell us f***k off or even indulge in the actual act themselves. That is why the Bama’s come to us.
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SinhalaPropaganda / December 17, 2016
This perverted modaya is obsessed with sex, penis and Tamil women. Since they descend from bestiality they have uncontrollable animalistic sexual urges hence their national pastime which is rape or gang rape or genocidal rape. Sinhala men are notorious for that, even in Haiti. Even corpses of women they mutilated are not safe hence their another favourite national pastime: necrophilia.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
They even tried to sodomize Pirapaharan after he was shot dead. But the guy was perfectly spherical in shape like a bloated balloon and they could not find where the orifice was.
You can imagine what those guys would have done if they captured him alive. May be that is why the Gamaralage Putha decided to dispatch him to heaven first and ask further questions later.
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Amarasiri / December 17, 2016
EDWIN RODRIGO
“Someone was asking why there are no Tamil Buddhists.”
“I discovered the reason to be their alphabet. “
“But having ෆ is the real sucker. They cannot tell us f***k off or even indulge in the actual act themselves. That is why the Bama’s come to us.”
Puck off is not good enough? Puck (mythology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_(mythology)
Quite a logical argument. However, the data and observation show that there are substantial Tamil Buddhists, and Buddhaghosa as a Tamil Buddhist( even though he was from elsewhere in Bharat)
Buddhism amongst Tamils
Buddhism amongst Tamils was historically found in Tamilakam and the Jaffna Peninsula.
Ancient ruins of a 4th-5th century Buddhist monastery, a Buddha statue, and a Buddhapada (footprint of the Buddha) were found in another section of the ancient city, now at Pallavanesvaram.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_amongst_Tamils
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
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I may set aside my Metta and behead the guy, Islamic style, before he comes to the end of the 3rd line.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
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Native Vedda / December 17, 2016
EDWIN RODRIGO
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Brilliant
Thanks for keeping it brief.
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Rajash / December 17, 2016
I wonder why Muslims and Sinhalese queue in the gallery class to watch Tamil movies.
I was in Colombo recently and was travelling by bus Panandura.
you know what they play Tamil hit songs in the bus!
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Amarasiri / December 17, 2016
Rajash
“I wonder why Muslims and Sinhalese queue in the gallery class to watch Tamil movies.”
The actresses are prettier and the actors are handsome too, compared to the Sinhala. You may add the music and songs as well to the list.
Same reason reason for Hindi Movies.
Quality matters!
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Rajash / December 18, 2016
Quality matters!
Thanks
Tamils have quality. Shame Sinhala racist policies deprived it to Sri Lanka.
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Taraki / December 17, 2016
‘I wonder why Muslims and Sinhalese queue in the gallery class to watch Tamil movies’.
So that they can listen to the accents.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 17, 2016
Edward Rodrigo,
Which dialect of Tamil are you talking about? If within Sri Lanka, it it Jaffna, Batticaloa, Trincomalee. Vanni or hill country? Even within Jaffna the dialects tend to differ!
With regard to our alphabets, we take pride that Tamil has no harsh sounds. We call chaste Tamil-Senthamil.
The Jaffna Tamil dialect/s are fast disappearing under the malignant influence of Tamil Nadu cinema. Within Tamil Nadu too, there are different dialects. Madras/Chennai Tamil is the most jarring to hear. Tamil prononciation of English, is sometimes wrong, because the Tamil tongue is not trained to articulate harsh sounds. Tamil scholars like Kirupananda Variyar, have said that Jaffna Tamil was the most chaste. Of course this was before the ‘Damn’ war.
Remember that Sinhala has around 4000 Tamil words of Tamil origin. When I listen to platform Sinhalese, I hear more Tamil words that are being incorporated into Sinhala. This is a positive development. Sinhala is like English- constantly growing through borrowing and innovation.
Whereas, Tamil is not growing but degenerating. A shame!
Further, what do you know of Tamils and Tamil to pontificate of Tamils? Have read Tamil literature and Tamil classical music?
Do not venture into territory you know absolutely nothing of.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Taraki / December 17, 2016
Doctor I am surprised at your comments. It is the accent that is funny, not the language or dialect.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 17, 2016
Taraki,
Have you listened to the accent of the Sinhala villagers, who know a smattering of English or Tamil? Most of our oarliamentarians have horrible accents too!
Dr,RN
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Taraki / December 17, 2016
Yes you are right Doc. Their accents are pretty bad but I still claim that the Tamil accent with its tortuous lilts is funnier. Having said that I dare say there are many Tamil accents and all cannot be the same. Are there some areas of SL and India where the language is spoken in a different way?
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Dropping harsh sounds
Rajasingh(k)am, I don’t know, which dialect is spoken here. I don’t from which Toothukudi they come from but they are from Tamil Nadu.
You say, “we take pride that Tamil has no harsh sounds. We call chaste Tamil-Senthamil”. What a joke. So you decide to drop HA (හ) and pronounce හරී හොඳයි as අරී ඔන්දයි because ha is too harsh? ha! ha! Sorry Rajasinkam. Soon you will not be able to laugh ha! ha! and say a! a! only. Not a big loss, because you guys laugh only for the stupid jokes in Tamil Nadu movies.
Well, I it is nothing that I loose sleep over. The more sounds you guys drop, the merrier for me, until you are left with only the guttural sounds of the kalaveddahs.
You complain “Remember that Sinhala has around 4000 Tamil words of Tamil origin.” You guys rob our genes, each gene a whole symphony in A, T, C, G, and you complain about a measly 4000 words, which we don’t want anyway? Name the 4000 words, and I will gladly remove them from my vocabulary. Can you do the same with out genes?
You warn me, “Do not venture into territory you know absolutely nothing of”. I did that long ago with your Bama and we both felt good. I learnt so much about that territory from her that I can find my way there even in absolute darkness.
The problem is that you Tamils men know nothing about that territory and your women depend on us to discover that.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 17, 2016
Edward Rodrigo,
Do not be silly!
Do you know how many Tamils were doused with kerosine and petrol in 1958, because when shown a bucket and ordered what its name was in Sinhala, said, ‘Valliya’ instead of ‘ Bhaldiya’! The are no alphabets for brash sounds like ‘ Bha, Gha, Go, etc.) in Tamil and yet has the words for everything we need to say.
We can call someone ‘Maadu’ instead of ‘Gona’. Would you understand, if it sounds ‘Konaa’.
Dr.RN
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 17, 2016
Edward Rodrigo,
My name in Tamil should be written as, ‘ Irasasinham Narenthiran’ . Unfortunately, it was write not as used now,
in my birth certificate issued in 1946.
The rest of what you written, does not merit a response.
Dr.RN
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Names, Names and Bulls
Irasasinham Narenthiran, Then why do you write it as Rajasingham Narendran. You guys always hide your names for well known reasons.
Veluppilai Prabhakaran was called Pirapaharan. That is why he got shot at point blank range by that SL Army private, the son of a Sinhala Buddhist Gamarala. He acted with a lot of restraint when he challenged something that looked and smelled liked a bloated pig carcass floating in the waters of Nanthikadal. The dialog went like this:
Private: Who floats there?
VP: It is me Samy. It is a poor Thamil. Not Pirapaharan. Andavane Aiya Samy. Murugan Devam Samy. Aiyo..! Setta Pochchi Vana.
The private was logically minded and his reasoning went like this: This pig looks like Prabhakaran and he says he is not Pirapaharan. If he is not Pirapaharan then he must be Prabhakatan.
And that is how your deity went to Hindu Heaven. This practice of having two different names is very dangerous.
You ask me: “We can call someone ‘Maadu’ instead of ‘Gona’. Would you understand, if it sounds ‘Konaa’”. Call it Gona, Madu or as Amarasiri does, Sirisena or anything you like, I understand. It is one of your 330,000,001 deities.
By the way, witch kind of Dr. are you.
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Dan Fernando / December 18, 2016
What you guys seem not getting is – Edwin Rodrigo is caught by his mental asylum being in that ME open prison. He himself says he is killing time these days. So he may be not knowing what he is writing about.
Poor guy should go to a specialist. Else, I really dont know why an adult as a sexaganorian behaves like a teenager in transition.
Instead, we could better exchange lot on the topic. Here not to overlook, he has been enjoying comments by commenting to any prepostorous comments.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 18, 2016
Let Us be Serious
Ok guys. I will try to be serious hereafter. Most of you seem to lack a sense of humour and get hurt or feel insulted. That is not my intention.
Taraki understands me.
So I will put the question to all of you.
RN says, “A Tamil is one who is born to Tamils.” Is that a circular argument or not?
Not: I will not call kalaveddah a kalveddah heerafter. (cannot help that!)
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Rajash / December 19, 2016
ER. “I will try to be serious hereafter”
come on you were serious all the time
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sekara / December 19, 2016
Edwin R
Notably, ඇ, ඈ are unique to Sinhala.
Tamil has එ, ඒ. But it has only one each of the ‘hard’ consonents k, c, t, th & p, whereas all other Indian languages have four each (like k, kh, g, gh etc.). But it has pairs for l, r, n, t (and in my view) y sounds. That is a unique feature.
Sinhala did expand its alphabet– first based on Pali and then Sanskrit. So what? It is good to be adaptable.
Sinhala always responded to demands of the time.
Some sounds like kh, gh etc. are hardly articulated in speech today while Sinhala commendably provided for the ‘f’ sound with a distinct symbol, after decades of experimentation. (Malayalam adapted the letter for ph to do the job.)
There is also now an effort to accommodate the vowel sound for “o” as in office, coffee etc.
Sinhala dialects have converged in the latter half of the 20th Century– thanks to mass literacy and effective electronic media.
Tamil dialects (Jaffna, Batticaloa, Hill Country, Eastern Muslim, Western & Southern Muslim, Northern Muslim etc. as well as various sub-dialect remained the same for long, except that displacement after conflict has destroyed much of standard Jaffna speech.
Indian TV and movies are further eroding the local character of Tamil speech.
Our ancestors may have spoken a great language. The question is whether we have a language that is fit to address our needs.
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Rajash / December 16, 2016
who is Human?
is Human
English or Tamil or French or German or Sinhalese
is Human
Hindu or Muslim or Buddhist or Catholic or Jew
is Human
Black or White or Yellow or Brown
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PoachingTamil / December 16, 2016
Who is a Sinhalese ? A ethno linguistic group of Dravidian mixed negroid mixed with aborigine local tribes over 2,500 years and are a unique people who are only found on the Island of Sihala. They have been predominantly practicing buddhism and fighting invasions from Chola S.Indian tamils over 2000 years and finding it hard to protect their identity against a massive overbreeding under educated population of 88 million in Tamil Nadu.
Wow Tamil Eelam lovers, you will find it racist if a Sinhala person presents facts right? Why is it only ok for Tamils to keep writing and saying all sorts of insulting things here? You do not find illegal Sinhalese in Tamil Nadu do you? You find coolies, shit pot card pushers, thorombal and bothal kaarayas, all Indian tamils and there are 25,000 illegal immigrants from Tamil Nadu in Sri Lanka with other Indian Kidney sellers and even Pakis now. Glory to the Sihala nation.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 17, 2016
Who is a Sinhalese? 50% descended from low caste Tamil indentured labour that was imported into the island by the Portuguese and Dutch a few centuries ago.
The rest descended from a part lion and part human freak that was put on a boat with another 500 freaks from some part of India and landed and mated with the local Yakka and Naga who spoke a Semi Tamil Dravidian dialect called Elu.
Then these Indian freaks got tired of mating with the Yakka and Naga and went to South India and found Tamil harlots to mate with and returned to produce heirs. Later all these Yakka, Naga and the half Tamil descendants of these Indian boat people (Kallathoni) all got mixed up with later immigrants from Tamil South India to produce Sinhalese. Basically the Sinhalese are Tamils who after converting to Buddhism bastardised their Tamil with Pali and Sanskrit to create a Creole language that became Sinhalese by the 8TH century
History and DNA also proves this. You shot your self in the foot when you stated that the Sinhalese are an ethno linguistic group that is Dravidian veddoid negroid. If you are Dravidian basically you are a Tamil. Elu the indigenous native dialect as well as the Vedda language were both simple Semi Tamil Dravidian dialects.
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Native Vedda / December 17, 2016
PoachingTamil
“You do not find illegal Sinhalese in Tamil Nadu do you?”
What nonsense? Who knows? Somawansa and about another 1000 JVP members and N M Perera sought asylum in India. We do not know exactly how many still live there.
There used to be Simhala settlements in Thirunageshwaram in Thamilaham, (Trade, Ideology and Urbanisation, By R Champakalakshmi, chapter 6 page 365).
“You find coolies, shit pot card pushers, thorombal and bothal kaarayas, all Indian tamils and there are 25,000 illegal immigrants from Tamil Nadu in Sri Lanka with other Indian Kidney sellers and even Pakis now. Glory to the Sihala nation.”
Are you sure you know what you are ranting about?
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SinhalaPropaganda / December 17, 2016
still feeling threatened by Tamil Nadu! There is that ‘majority with a minority complex’ acting up again. It seems only Buddha can redeem your race from your collective paranoia.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
The Great Gene Robbery
With the publishing of my story about Bama in CT there has been a flood of similar stories published in my Facebook page. All that reveals not a story of love as I thought before but a story of subterfuge, exploitation and conspiracy.
I have not been the only victim, hundreds of others have been victims. A young girl comes from Jaffna masquerading as the new and dissatisfied bride of a Tamil. Soon a clandestine love affair ensues with a young Sinhala male, she gets pregnant with his child and goes back to Jaffna. The couple never returns to the South.
A child is born with half of its genes Sinhala, including the Y-chromosome, if it is a boy. Thus a severe shortage of good male genes among the Tamils, perhaps the result of too much swimming, would be overcome. Gradually the bad Tamil male genes, that produced idiots like Thambi and his followers, would be flushed out and replaced by superior Sinhala genes.
Bama you are exposed!
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John / December 17, 2016
Tamils are not native to Sri Lanka at all. Actually Sri Lankan Tamils are not the genuine Tamils, in fact they are Malabaris, Sinhalese lazily call them Tamils for convenience and also concidering the closeness of Tamilnadu to Sinhala island.
Earlier Tamil migrants already assimilated with Sinhalese. The recent Tamils migrants who were brought by Dutch and British want to be different, have no more than 250 years of history on the island. Sure, Tamilnadu’s unfortunate proximity to the island maintained TamilNESS from time to time in Sri Lanka.
North and east provinces were Sinhalese lands, ruthless south Indian invaders and severe droughts forced the sinhalse to go to the other parts of the island. Those south Indian invaders destroyed the Buddhist temples and the Sinhala villages, the names in north and east provinces are Tamilised Sinhala names.
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SinhalaPropaganda / December 17, 2016
what makes your kind natives? you did not just directly spring out of lankan soil nor were you the first ones to migrate here. you dingalese are actually human-beast hybrids that came on a dinghy from Bangladesh.
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John / December 17, 2016
Eastern province Tamils think that they are superior to Jaffna Tamils, that’s why they don’t like mixing with them.
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MYM Siddeek / December 17, 2016
Mr. Rajash,
Sir. Pon. Ramanathan called the Muslims Islamaic ‘Thamilarkal’ to deny separate representative for the Muslims in the SC. The Tamil militants called the Muslims Islamic Tamils to deny their participation in the peace talks as a separate entity and to deny their other rights. When the Muslims started to talk about their separate identity, rights and security they were killed and or expelled.
While the Tamil militants denying the rights of the Muslims, they wanted them to be silent.But they could not silence them but they destroyed themselves.
The LTTE did not consider the Muslims as Tamils. But the LTTE used the Muslim population to quote in international fora and peace talks and demand resources/shares from the government and international agencies and to extort money from the Muslims etc. They said the Tamils comprise about one-fourth of the Sri Lankan population. According to them 12% Sri lankan Tamils, 8% Islamic Tamils and 6% Indian origin Tamils. All together the Tamils are a significant community in numbers and therefore, they demanded/bargained larger area to rule and larger share in the resources. Internally, the LTTE denied their rights, killed them and or expelled them.
You said “I am sure that I don’t need to tell you and you know very well that LTTE also committed many atrocities against the fellow Tamils” Can you tell me whether the LTTE expelled the entire Hindus or the entire Christians from the North or the East? Did the LTTE destroyed the temples and churches of the Tamils. Did the LTTE killed the hindus and christians while they were praying in the temples and churches? Did the LTTE surrounded the Hindu or Christian villages and killed the entire population of the villages? Why only the Muslim mosques, Muslim villages etc?
Unless and until the Tamils recognise the Muslims as a separate entity and understand their aspirations, fear and suspicions (because of the past bitter experience) the Tamil-Muslim understanding is very remote.
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Mallaiyuran / December 17, 2016
Unless and until the Tamils recognise the Muslims as a separate entity and understand their aspirations, fear and suspicions (because of the past bitter experience) the Tamil-Muslim understanding is very remote
Is that all your explanation to Substantiate Badudin Mahamood in your article of ” The Myth About The University Admissions Criteria”?.
All you wrote about LTTE was not real. LTTE was the most disciplined rebel organization in the world. Every attack on Sinhalese and Muslims civilians were retaliation. This truth will come out if investigation is conducted by IC. Until that nobody care about judgement. If noticed, last november, hardly any Tamil village or town missed observing Maveerar Naal. That is What all Tamils stands. Further you may talk anything, but in the hay days, Hakeem went to Leader Pirapaharan and asked for Tani Alaku. All Muslim Ministers and MPs went to Geneva three times and witnessed they are very happy in the Old Royals government. Hakeem worked for the Old Royal to suppress investigation. He did it even after the Aluthgama incident where only a Tamil DIG tried save Muslims and lost his job under Hakeems Justice Ministry for that. It is that nasty mentality separating Muslims from Tamil, not the language or religion. Hakeem took all the Aluthgama evidences and destroyed all of them so the Old King’s government will not be contested for Aluthgama riots.
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Luxman / December 17, 2016
// LTTE was the most disciplined rebel organization in the world.//
Wrong. Waffen Schutzstaffel was far better than the LTTE.
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Mallaiyuran / December 17, 2016
Yes you are right. They were brutal in fighting and directly accused of war crimes and punished. They were attached to Nazi party too. But LTTE was accused by UNHRC on war crimes based on Sinhala Government’s Idi Amin gang’s accusations on Human Shielding and Sinhala Goverment is not goto to UNHRC to prove that story.
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Rajash / December 17, 2016
you have lob sided views about university admission and Tamil-Muslim understanding.
The civil war is over and the country is talking about reconciliation and moving forward. Muslims People like you and Izeth are still harping on about the past.
…With people like you and Izeth in the Muslim community; the Muslim community will always be isolated from not just Tamils but Sinhalese as well.
Look at the Muslim countries all over the world …..what do you have bloody war and violence and killing of your own brothers and sister…raping of your own Muslim ladies and girls…killing of your own kids.
so to all Muslims…. moderate your self and adopt the world and stop lecturing here about holy Quran.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / December 17, 2016
Muslims have every right to claim a separate identity, but they must prove it scientifically. Recent genetic studies show that Muslims in Srilanka have the same genetic components of other ethnic groups. How can an Arab descendant stake claim to any part of Srilanka, when it is clear that Arabs are not indigenous to this region. You cannot distort history where it says Arabs settled in Western ans Southern parts of Srilanka and then moved to other parts. It is evident in history that Muslims are in eastern province only for last 500 years arriving as refugees fleeing the persecution of Portuguese. How can they deny the inherent rights of Tamils in eastern province who are there for more than 2000 years. The rightful owners of eastern province are the Tamilised descendants of Veddhas and not others. Let Muslims have their own identity, and determine their future, but it should not be at the expense of Tamils. Muslims have their fare share of atrocities such as murder and ethnic cleansing of Tamils, illegal appropriation of lands belonging to Tamils and destruction of Hindu temples and constructing of mosques on those sites. Muslims who are vociferous about what LTTE did are woefully silent on these dastardly acts committed by them.
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sekara / December 19, 2016
Could Dr GS give more details of the “Recent genetic studies show(ing) that Muslims in Srilanka have the same genetic components of other ethnic groups.”
I also like to have historical evidence for “…Tamils in eastern province who are there for more than 2000 years.”
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Farhan Cader / December 17, 2016
Siva Sankaran Sarma
You are surely a Tamil from the East who is bitter about what the Muslims/Arabs/Moors did to your ancestors.The Arabs who were settled in the East by a Sinhalese king arrived in the Eastern Province as bachelors.So when they got the urge to merge they put a jump on Tamil women and that’s how the Muslims dominate the East today.After all the date eating Muslims are legendary jumpers/humpers.They were a very fair people compared to the Tamils who had a colour close to the Negros and the flat features of the Australian aboriginals. The new settlers were fair in attitude too:while allowing their Tamil keeps concubines/mistresses to teach the children Tamil they nevertheless insisted on Islam as their religion.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 17, 2016
Sorry I am a Brahmin from Jaffna not from the east.
Arabs or Moors never arrived in the east. Only Muslims to arrive in the east were the Tamil Muslims not Arabs or Moors. For your information Moors never came anywhere around Sri Lanka. The are from North Africa and are really not Arab but Berber.
Arabs never came in their thousand but only a few hundred Arabs who came to trade over a span of centuries. Even your Moors Islamic Council has been forced to admit this truth. The half caste descendants of these Arab trades and Tamil Muslim women numbered only a few hundred and would not have made any dent in the demography or the genetic make up of the Tamil Muslims. The reason the Arabs only took Tamil women and not Sinhalese women is not because the Sinhalese women were less attractive but at that time the coastal area was Tamil and you only found Tamils who were Muslims and not Sinhalese.
When the Portuguese arrived the Arabs fled and left their wives or concubines and their half caste Tamil/Arab bastards to the mercy of the Portuguese and never returned to this day. Most of these half caste Tamil/Arab Muslim bastards would have been the first to perish under the Portuguese sword, as they did not like Arabs/Moors, compared to the full blooded Dravidian Tamil Muslims. So Arabs never went anywhere else especially to the east. These are Dravidian Tamil Muslim. This is the reason the Sinhalese did not want them in the central province and they had to move to the east and the Tamils there easily accepted them gave them land and even Tamil Hindu women, as they were fellow Dravidian Tamils fleeing persecution. If it was an Arab or Moor a Tamil Hindu women or Tamils would not have given their women folk. It is because they were Dravidian Tamils that they were willing to accept and marry into them. Understood.
The so called Tamil Sinhalese kings of Kandy were in reality from Tamil dynasties and they only loosely ruled parts of the east. The actual rulers were the Tamil Vannimannai chiefs. Do not try to rewrite history to justify your fake Arab/Moorish origin and to fawn to the Sinhalese.
The eastern Muslims are very Tamil and still follow the eastern Tamil Mukkuva matriarchal system and laws as on their female line their ancestors were all Mukkuva Tamil Hindu women.
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Dr,Rajasingham Narendran / December 17, 2016
A Tamil is one who is born to Tamils, knows Tamil, speaks Tamil , continues to live as a Tamil atleast in his home and has significant aspects of Tamil culture- food, music ,dance, dress and food in his/her life and takes pride in being Tamil, while not denegrating others who are not born Tamil. There are genetic , evolutionary and contemporary aspects to being a Tamil. This is true for all one word identities that contributes to the beautiful mosaic, this’ world is.
I know Sinhala, English, but I am neither a Sinhalese nor an Englishmen. I battle on a daily basis to resist the anglicization of my family and those close to us, although I encourage them to learn Sinhala and English and understand/learn about their way of life.
Dr. Rajasingham Narendran
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soma / December 17, 2016
Dear Dr R.N.
Now that Dr.Keethaponcalan has clarified the issue once and for all who the Tamils or the Tamil Nation are my eternal quest “Is it only Hindu and Christian Tamils in the North or does it include those who adhere to Islam and those arrived during the British” is laid to rest. FINALLY IT IS CONFIRMED THAT IT IS ONLY HINDU AND CHRISTIAN TAMILS IN THE NORTH AND EAST. Is this the official position of the TNA to your knowledge? What is the approximate percentage of Tamils out of total population in Sri Lanka? What implications of Tamils in the East being a minority and amity between Hindu/Christian and Muslims being very poor as Dr Keethaconcalan suggests.
Incidentally, you must have observed that excepting you, all other Tamil writers on this column did nothing but throwing abuse and insult at me for asking this simple, unambiguous question as if applying salt on a wound. It took Dr. Keethaoncalan take the bull by the horn in the end. Why? Am I not entitled for an apology from these racially blinded writers when Dr. Keethaconalan says:
“Perhaps, Soma is correct in saying that a precise definition is important, because, often, Tamil analysts use the term loosely and take the definition for granted”
Soma
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Dr,Rajasingham Narendran / December 17, 2016
Soma,
The only identity that should primarily matter to the Sri Lankan government is our nationality, which is Sri Lankan. Every Sri Lankan’s sub identities , should be thereafter respected and nurtured as required by the laws in Sri Lanka. No subgroup should be permitted to prey and take advantage of another, however vulnerable they may be. Conflicts between sub identities should be strictly controlled and the government should not play a role in formenting such conflicts.
We should remember that it is nasty politics and nastier governments that have divided us and seeded conflicts.
A very well known Buddhist priest once told me that the Buddhists and Hundus should form a common front to oppose the Christians. I told him that ploy will not work, as most Tamil families have Hindus and Christians within. I think it was the educationist Nesiah, who defined the Christians in Jaffna as ‘ Christian Hindus’ .
The Muslims in Batticaloa yet attend Hindu temple festivals. Recently, I watched a video where the present Chief Minister of the Eastern Province was enthusiastically clapping and enjoying a Hindu hymn sung by a Muslim poet ( The song starts with the words , “Kokkatisolai Urai Perumaney—).
Let everyone practice their version of religion freely, within the boundaries of law, without being a nuisance to
others.
My late father was once complaining bitterly that Mother Theresa was converting poor Hindus to Christianity. I was forced to ask him why the Hindus were not doing what she did and told him that when there is a vacuum air will rush into fill it. The LTTE and the earlier JVP phenomena were such responses.
Let each of us try our best to heal and make us whole, instead of wounding us further. We have had enough and more of these self-inflicted and unhealing wounds. Opportunism which knows no bounds is our national albatross.
Does it matter how many types of Tamils are there in this country? They are all groups of citizens who need good governance. Does it matter how many groups of Sinhalese live in this country with sub identities, across this island ?
Dr.RN
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Native Vedda / December 17, 2016
Dr,Rajasingham Narendran
soma knew exactly what he/she wants. He wants this island turned into a Sinhala/Buddhists Aryan ghetto.
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jim softy / December 18, 2016
What I can not understand that Tamils move to their mythical homeland. But, Sinhala people who came from India did not stay in South INdia. they directly came to Sinhale via south India. Even to date Sinhala people do not move to Tamilnadu. Tamilnadu does not have even a fraction of Sinhala people.
but, Tamilnadu has Tamils ran away from Sri lanka and they are still refugees. Why they don’t like their beloved mother land ?
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Native Vedda / December 17, 2016
Dr,Rajasingham Narendran
Please access this paper online:
Dr Samanti Kulatilake:
The Peopling of Sri Lanka from Prehistoric to Historic Times: Biological and Archaeological Evidence
This paper can be accessed at http://mtroyal.academia.edu/SamantiKulatilake
Published 2016
Let me know your comments.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 18, 2016
Native Vedda,
Thanks for the link. It took me sometime to read it. I have to conclude only sophisticated sub cellular genetic research will shed light on our origins and status quo.
It is difficult to find ancient Tamil-Hindu skeletons, because of the practice of cremation. It is the same situation with regard to stone inscriptions in Jaffna.
What is emerging from the Kulatilleka article is the fact that the Tamils were a component of ancient Lanka and waves of migrations and assimilations have taken place thereafter. The story is yet foggy because of the myths that have taken root in our minds and prejudice that has blinded researchers. There is a deep rooted belief that Tamils lived only in the northern and eastern provinces, in ancient times. Is it possible to prove they did or did not? The political climate also does not permit honest research or its publication.
The Pomparippu burial urns showed that the practice was similar to those in areas of Tamil Nadu, in ancient times. The undeniable presence of ancient Siva temples around Lanka is proof of Hindu presence
around the island.
The Ranawana et.al studies are more conclusive and show a strong genetic link between the Sinhalese and Lankan Tamils. More sophisticated and better sampled genetic studies may provide greater clarity.
However, despite what science discovers, would it overcome our myths and prejudices?
This review article has been well researched and painfully put together . However,it is yet an attempt of a blind person to find a lost item in pitch darkness.
Dr.RN
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Anpu / December 18, 2016
Thanks NV and DR RN. You two should get together and do some blogging on the subject. https://wordpress.com/
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Rajasinkam’s Circular Argument
Rajasinkam, to say that “A Tamil is one who is born to Tamils… ” is a Classic Circular Argument.
One may ask now how you define the second ‘Tamil’ in your definition and so you get in to a infinite regress. It is like saying Allah is Allah.
You should know better than to come out with such fallacies.
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Dr,RajasIngham Narendran / December 18, 2016
Can a Tamil be someone born to Chinese?
Dr.RN
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sbarrkum / December 18, 2016
What would a person 3/4 Chinese ancestry, and 1/4 direct paternal Jaffna Tamil ancestry become. My opinion, Malaysian.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ian+james+barr+kumarakulasinghe
http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/brown_on_the_st/comment-page-1/#comment-283339
Rama Coomaraswamy, of mixed Tamil, English and Jewish ancestry, was the son of the famous Indologist Ananda Kentish Coomaraswamy, and of his fourth wife Luisa Runstein, an Argentine-born woman of Jewish descent. He is the grandson of the Tamil-Ceylonese lawyer and social pioneer Sir Muthu Coomaraswamy and his English wife Elizabeth Beeby. As such, Rama Coomaraswamy hailed from notable Tamil and English families.
and boston_mahesh replied I have actually visited Dr. Coomaraswamy back in ’04 in Wilton or Milton, Connecticut.! I met his son, Frank, who is 1/8 Tamil. Frank is a principal or a teacher at a school down there. Frank is married and has at least 2 kids, who are 1/16 Tamil. They were all very nice and gracious, and I’ll never forget how happy and old-world Frank’s blonde-hair daughter was to see us. It blew my mind that these kids – who are 1/16 Tamil – still have their old surname, and they carry it with a lot of pride. They are keenly aware that their great grandfather was the first Desi knight.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 18, 2016
RN. You don’t get my point. You say, “A Tamil is one who is born to Tamils.”
The whole idea is to define or decide on a test to find out who a Tamil is. It follows from the outset that the questioner does not have a precise idea of who a Tamil is. So, when you say “born to Tamils” you are not making things any more precise because, you are using the word ‘Tamil’. The questioner is back to square one again. That is a circular argument.
Hope you can understand my explanation.
Taking your counter question, “Can a Tamil be someone born to Chinese”? the answer would depend on whether the questioner knows to a reasonable degree who a Chinese is and in that case the answer would be ‘No’.
So now we know that a Tamil is someone who is not born to a Chinese. We can repeat this many times, using Korean, Japanese, Inuit, Filipino etc. and we can get some idea about who a Tamil is not.
So approaching the question using inverse logic is not the right way. It is time wasting and imprecise.
Let me put it this way. If an extraterrestrial comes and asks you who a Tamil is what is the answer you would give? Would you say, “A Tamil is one who is born to Tamils”?
Please give a serious answer without sarcasm or malice. I am serious here.
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Dr,Rajasingham Narendran / December 18, 2016
Naja Edward Rodrigo,
There are intr-cellular mRNA tests that can tell you with ‘Some’ accuracy whether you are Tamil. These genetic tests are being refined further. The reference Native Vedda has provided in this blog on a chapter written by Kulatileke is worth reading and has cited Ranawana et.al on mRNA studies in Sri Lanka. I have commented on the Kulatikeke paper in a preceding comment.
Dr.RN
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 18, 2016
Ramakrishnan Nagalingam, Yes I agree with you there. That would be a much more reliable basis for deciding ethnicity, while the circular argument you presented before is worthless.
Here is another false argument:
The author S. I. Keethaponcalan looks very much like Late Sidney Poitier, the famous Hollywood Actor. S. I. Keethaponcalan is a Tamil. Therefore, Sidney Poitier must have been a Tamil.
Can anyone point out the logical fallacy here?
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 19, 2016
Edward,
I did not type Naja, preceding your name. It is an iPad glitch. My mistake was in noticing it before posting. However, I apologize.
Dr.RN
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Native Vedda / December 19, 2016
EDWIN RODRIGO
“The author S. I. Keethaponcalan looks very much like Late Sidney Poitier, the famous Hollywood Actor. S. I. Keethaponcalan is a Tamil. Therefore, Sidney Poitier must have been a Tamil.”
Crow is black.
Therefore all black matters are crow.
Philosophers sport beard.
Therefore all bearded men are Philosophers.
Dayan Jayatilleke believes so.
Copenhagen is the capital of Zoophilia (practitioners of bestiality).
Therefore EDWIN RODRIGO thinks he is Danish.
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sbarrkum / December 20, 2016
Genotype vs Phenotype
The Kulatileke article basis is on phenotype.
Papua New Guineans look like (phenotype) Africans.
DNA wise (genotype) Papua New Guineans and Europeans are distant from Africans.
Who is a Tamil or whatever. Isnt it about self identity.
Prince William is a direct descendant of an Indian woman, thru Diana.
Provable thru his mtDNA. So is he Indian (or German for that matter).
Is a 3rd gen Lankan in the uS or England, American British.
I would agree based on color for complete acceptance.
In Lanka, the Tamil Sinhala merging is easily done, because we look alike.
Sinhalese, Muslims (and some Tamils) have forged a new identity and culture. Some of us understand elements of our culture, cuisine are from India, Indonesia and the rest of the world (eg red pepper/chillies from South America). Now it is unique, with rhymes of its origins.
Yes we are all originally Africans. The rhythms of Thovil are similar to the music of Mali and other African nations. This shows we have retained some of the First Wave out of Africa.
What I dont get are the comments of Brahmin Sarma, Mallaiyuran etc.
a) Claim we are low caste Dalits from Tamil Nadu.
b) Our (Lankan) achievements are really of Tamil Nadu origin.
So these high caste guys from TN want to claim Sinhalese culture as Tamil.
Its a compliment.
Also rejection by the Sinhalese of TN is a bitch.
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Native Vedda / December 21, 2016
sbarrkum
Sundar Pichai CEO is from Tamil Nadu. I don’t think he would ever claim he invented Computer, WWW, … Zero.
It is Globalisation, International Trade, Colonialism, …. that brings changes in people, their attitude, their history….. culture, religious practices, ….
Tamils/Indians have a problem (now the Arabs/Muslim too) who tend to claim everything comes from India/Tamil Nadu. In the case of Arab/Muslims everything was invented by Arab/Muslim.
Sinhalese have their own problem, please work it out for yourself.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 21, 2016
Edward,
I yet standby what I said.
To differentiate between Sinhala and Tamil genetic markers, though genetic tests, there should be markers. There are such markers, MR and company have Malay genes in them and it is phenotypically manifested.
Dr.RN
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sekara / December 19, 2016
You may be interested to know that Pohar a famed Tamil Siththar who was responsible for making the statue of Muruhan in Pazani is said to be from China.
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S.R.H. Hoole / December 18, 2016
Thank you Dr. RN. Right or wrong, at last a comment that addresses the article.
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Thanga / December 17, 2016
The Muslims in the Northeast, especially in the east were settlers from the south of the Island. The Muslims were persecuted by the Dutch since both were engaged in trade wars. The Muslims asked for protection from Senarath King of Kandy (1604-1635) and he in turn settled them in the eastern province. After settlement they married Tamil women mainly from the Mukkuwa caste who are in a majority in the eastern province.
The tying of Thaali among Muslims was in vogue some 50 years ago, but now abolished as un-Islamic practice. This is mainly due to the influence of Wahabi fundamentalism bent on homogenizing Islam.
Wahhabism gained considerable influence in the Muslim world following the escalation in the price of oil in the mid-1970s. Having the world’s largest reserves of oil but a relatively small population, Saudi Arabia was in a position to spend tens of billions of dollars throughout the Muslim world promoting Islam, and in particular Wahhabism.
This process of homogenization could be referred as “Arabization” of Islam which emphasizes rituals and code of conduct more than substance and Islam’s universalism. It stems from the “the Wahabi creed,” a rigid branch of Islam exported from and financed by the government of Saudi Arabia.
Of late, in Kattankudy in the Batticaloa district Arabic language is replacing Tamil in name boards, street names etc. This is in keeping with the resolution adopted on November 24, 1979, at a conference of Muslims from different parts of Sri Lanka convened by the Organization for the Promotion of Arabic language in Sri Lanka. It resolved to promote the study of Arabic language which is sacred to the Muslims being the language of the Holy Qur’an. Prayers are recited in Mosques not in Tamil but in Arabic.
The villages Muslims were settled bear Tamil names like Saainthamaruthu, Maruthamunai, Ninthavoor, Kaththankudi, Eravur, Kalmunai, Akkaraippattu etc. Some Muslim personal names are pure Tamil names like Periyathamby, Seenithamby, Periya Podi, Sinna Podi etc.
Muslims largely take their identity based on religion. The Muslims (except Urdu speaking Muslims) Tamil Nadu have no problem in calling themselves Tamils.
However, a person is not a Tamil because he speaks Tamil. For the first generation of expatriate Tamils, English has become the first language, but still they are Tamils not Anglo Saxons. The deciding factor is the culture. The Tamils who migrated during British times like Fuji, Reunion, Mauritius, and South Africa etc lost their language, but not their culture. Their food, clothing, beliefs, rituals, festivals remained more or less the same. Of late some attempts are made to teach Tamil to children.
So the argument the Muslims of eastern province are not Tamils because they speak Tamil is valid. Their culture is different. The same is true in regard to names of new villages. A village has been named after the former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and another in the name of Libyan dictator Muammar Kaddafi. These two dictators funded and financed housing shames for the Muslims in the east.
As for the Hill Country Tamils, they are undoubtedly Tamils first and last both because of language and culture.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 18, 2016
They do have a right to claim a different identity but it is based on religion not an ethnicity, unless they can definitely prove that they are Tamil speaker with a predominant or substantial amount of Arab heritage. Just having a little bit of Arab does not make them Arab or different from the rest of the Tamil Hindu or Christian many of whom will also have some form of mixed blood, even Arab , however this does not make them Arab or anything else.
Even the Muslims of Kerala who would have had the most amount of Arab, were only able to prove that they had around 10% Arab heritage the rest Indian. Ancient Tamil Chera Nadu modern day Kerala had the most amount of contact with the Arabs and others from ancient times, During monsoon times, the winds directly take the Dhows from the Arabian gulf straight to the ports of Tamil Chera Nadu. Arab Syrian and Jewish settlement in Kerala/Cheralam as been there since ancient times. However even these Muslims have only around 10% Arab heritage and 90% Indian origin.
These Muslims of Sri Lanka are descended from the Tamils Muslims Of Tamil Nadu who proudly identity themselves as Tamil and only started to migrate to the island a few centuries ago. First to the north west coast that was part of the Jaffna Kingdom and them fled from there during the Portuguese and Dutch era to the other parts of the island. They are not native to the island or to the east but arrived there is refugees. mostly men who were given Tamil Muddkuva Hindu women as wives to start a family.
If the Kerala Muslims with the most of amount of contact with Arabs can only show a 10% Arab origin the Tamil Muslims from the east coast of south India will have far less Arab in them. Around 5% the most but around 2-3% the most. This is nothing negligible and trying to use this and their religion to claim a different ethnicity from the rest of the Tamils for political and other advantages and deny their actual Tamil origin is pathetic and laughable.
Deliberately Arabising themselves following the Wahhabi Islamic culture instead of their Tamil culture and the Tamil form of Sufi Islam that is s very tolerant and was practised for centuries, to prove a point that they are different from the Tamils will also not work. This is like the happy clappy born again Christian Sinhalese and Tamil Christians stating they are now different from the rest of the Sinhalese and Tamil Christians or the Sinhalese and Tamils as they are now following fundamentalist western American Pentecostal Christianity and culture. No one will entertain this claim but will laugh outright.
It is only the Sinhalese Tamils and of course the Veddah have an ancient history and claim to the land. The Sinhalese and the Eelam Tamils are the two ancient nations in the island, all the others are communities. Just like in Britain the English Scottish Welsh and the Irish are the ancient nations in Britain, as they have a long history and the island and have owned their land. All other peoples like the Indians Pakistanis West Indian and others are recent immigratns and are communities with no ancient claim or tie to the land.
Similarly the Muslims, Indian origin Tamils, Malays, Burghers ETC do not have an ancient history or history of ruling and only arrived here a few centuries ago, they are not nations like the Sinhalese or Eelam Tamils who have an ancient history in the island and have ruled and owned territory and land. However the other communities realise this are only asking for equal rights. It is only the Muslims who are quite recent arrivals are now aggressively demanding land only from the Tamils, where a minority of them live but not from the Sinhalese as they feel the Tamils are very weak and their unreasonable demand will be entertained by the Sinhalese led Sri Lankan government to further weaken and damn the Tamils. They do not realise that they are going to create future headache for the entire region, with the Muslims now deliberately discarding their Tamil culture and embracing fundamentalist Wahhabi Islamic culture and Arabising themselves.
The Muslims did not arrive from the deserts of Arabia but from South India Tamil Nadu. If they want to be Arab?Moor claim Arabic heritage speak Arabic and follow Arabic customs and not be Tamil and deny their actual Tamil heritage, fine that is their wish, however they have no right to claim any land in the land as theirs. Arabs are not from the island they are outsiders and foreigners. The languages/cultures of the island are Sinhalese and Tamil not Arab or Arabic Wahhabi culture and imported foreign culture. They are recent immigrants from Tamil Nadu South India who had arrived in the island a few centuries ago either to trade or fleeing persecution and have no history of ruling and were not even owning land until recently. They have settled amongst the Sinhalese and Tamils and all the villages and towns they live have Sinhalese or Tamil names not Islamic or Arabic names. It is only recently in the east they have started to change names of villages from Tamil to Arabic and the name boards from Tamil to Arabic, as part of their Arabisation and Wahhabi cult. They now feel they can get away with it. Around 30 years ago they would have been afraid to have done this.
Sinhalese governments also encourage these moves to deliberately divide and weaken the Tamils. However will not allow these brazen moves in Sinhalese areas. They tried this Aluthgamma and were taught a lesson they will never forget. However in the Tamil areas they do it with impunity as they can get away.
A people who arrive in the ancient Tamil Hindu east, that was ruled by Tamil Hindu Vannimanai Chieftains at times coming under the loose benevolent rule of the Sinhalese Tamil kings of Kandy, fleeing persecution from the Portuguese/Dutch and then the Sinhalese and claiming refuge and asylum as fellow Dravidian Tamil Muslims, a few centuries ago, now cannot claim large parts of this ancient Tamil Hindu land. the land of the Eelam Tamil Mukkuva Hindus and the Tamilised Hindu Vedda as theirs, especially when they now conveniently want to discard their Tamil heritage language culture the Tamil Sufi Islam and become some pathetic carbon clones of Arabs who despise them. The east was and is Tamil and Hindu and had never been Arabic or Islamic. Arabs/Arabic and their culture do not belong to the island and definitely not to the east.
You came to the east as Tamils and Dravidian Tamil Muslims and claimed refuge on that basis and were given land and even Tamil Hindu women to marry and start families on this claim. Not as Arabs/Moors and to Arabise and Islamise the east or had this intention once you were established. If this was so you would not have been allowed into the east and given refuge. The Tamil Hindu chiefs of the east must be turning in their graves and kicking themselves, to know that they have given refuge to a group of people who claimed they were Tamil Muslims fleeing persecution but are now claiming they are not Tamils but Arabs/Moors and in the name of Islam want to destroy everything Tamil.
In the late 1950s, the late Gate Mudaliyar Kariapper,(Muslim) while addressing voters of the Eastern Province, said “None can dispute the fact that Tamil speaking Muslims of Ceylon are descendants of Tamil Hindus who embraced Islam in the latter part of the 14th century when South India was under Muslim rule. It is only religion that divides the Tamils and Muslims. By ethnicity Tamils and Muslims are one”
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Saman Adikari / December 17, 2016
Tamils are chavnanist in politically .
They do not want to accepts any type and norms of democracy.
They are born for Terrorism.
Nothing else understood by Tamils or any language that Tamils understand, only that GUN RULE politics is their democracy.
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Rohan / December 18, 2016
But your surname Adikari is Tamil. Derived from the Tamil word Adikaram to rule or govern. An Adikari in Tamil means to rule or to govern. This means you are another recently Sinhalised Tamil. Tamils ae chauvinistic when you are the biggest chauvinistic clown. Hate Tamils but has a recent Tamil origin and a Tamil surname or title.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 19, 2016
Adikari
Adhikari is a Hindu surname native to the Indian subcontinent. It is mainly found among several groups including Bengalis, Khas people and Biharis. People with this surname include: Amrit Bhushan Dev Adhikari, Indian writer from Assam. Bharat Mohan Adhikari, Nepalese Deputy Prime Minister. (Wikepedia)
People, don’t fall for this Tamil strategy of telling us that all of Sinhala, people, words, names are derived from Tamil. May they feel to be associated with the Sinhalese. Rather, I think the Tamils are becoming associated with the Sinhalese because of the gene robbery I mentioned.
Soon we will find the Tamils becoming half Sinhala as we donate the male genes to them throught the Bamas.
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Ravi-Telugu / December 17, 2016
Who Is A Tamil?
@ S. I. Keethaponcalan.
You (Tamil Muslims in Lanka) should aware Tamil Muslims in Tamil Nadu have supported Eelam Genocide and Tamil Eelam. They worked together with “non” Muslim Tamils.
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Ravi-Telugu / December 17, 2016
Who Is A Tamil? @ S. I. Keethaponcalan.
You and Tamil Muslims in Lanka) should aware Tamil Muslims in Tamil Nadu have supported justice for Eelam Genocide and Tamil Eelam. They worked together with “non” Muslim Tamils.
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Ajith / December 17, 2016
It is a waste of time and resources to define who is a Tamil. It is same as defining who is Sinhala or who is English or Who is Arab or Who is Welsh or Who is Scotish? I don’t know why Keethapongalan considered this is necessary to solve the problem in Srilanka. The problem is about the security the basic rights of human being (land, House, Food, Water), identity and equality which was denied by the state to a group of people.
Who is Sinhala? Sinhala is a term derived from a Tamil word “Singam” – Lion.
Most of the Sinhala names are from Tamil words.
For example:
Wikremasinhe – Wikiram +Singam
Warnakulasooriya _Warnam (Colour) +Kulam (Race)+Sooriyan (Sun)
Bandaranayake = Pandaaram (Those who collect flowers for God)+ Naayakan (husband).
The Sinhalese are mixture of too many componets. Sinhala is not a language. They believe they born to Lion (Singam). They still got the killing character of Lion.
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Native Vedda / December 17, 2016
Ajith
“Wikiram Singam Warnam Kulam”
Please check your Nikandu for etymology of the above words.
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Ajith / December 17, 2016
Native,
Do you know the etymology of the word Sinham Or Sinha?
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na / December 17, 2016
Ajith
Sinha is a Sanskrit word which meant Lion.
Variations of this word are being used in India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, …
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Real Siva Sankaran Sarma / December 18, 2016
actually it is a Tamil word and Sanskrit borrowed it and now claims it as its own like many Tamil origin words found in Sanskrit. Tamil too borrowed many words from Sanskrit.
In Tamil it is not Sinham but Chingham meaning the animal with the mane ( the male lion) Chikai in pure Tamil means hair or mane. This is why in modern Tamil they call hair styling Chikai Alangaram. Therefor Chingham means the animal with the mane. The male lion.
Sanskrit originated in Central Asia, you hardly or never found lions in these areas. However in ancient times lions were prevalent in India where the ancient Dravidians/Tamils lived and they would have had a word for a lion and not waited for Sanskrit speakers who arrived from Central Asia where there were no lions to coin the word for lion. It is the Sanskrit speakers who borrowed this word from the Dravidians/Tamil. Just like the word for Cuckoo. The Tamil/Dravidian word Kooyil became Kokila in Sanskrit ( a very common name for Hindu women) Koel in Hindi and Koha in Sinhalese.
Many Tamils will now call the Orange fruit as Orange not realising the word is derived from the old Tamil word for Orange. Narthan Kai. This became Naranga in Sanskrit Narang in Singhalese, Auranga in Greek and Orange in English.
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Native Vedda / December 18, 2016
Real Siva Sankaran Sarma
Please read the Notes an Query published in The Guardian some time back:
Is an orange called an orange because it’s orange, or is orange orange because of the orange? Which came first, the fruit or the colour?
https://www.theguardian.com/
theguardian/2010/mar/31/
origin-of-the-orange
I am unable to verify your comment and will come back to you.
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sbarrkum / December 18, 2016
Hmm, Varna Dharma of Tamil Origin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism)
And Punjabi Sikh Singh’s must be of Tamil Origin.
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Native Vedda / December 18, 2016
sbarrkum
“And Punjabi Sikh Singh’s must be of Tamil Origin.”
Actually, they were Sinhalese before they converted to Sikhism.
The Sikhs have been celebrating Vaisakhi on 13th of April. They must have picked this cultural practice from Sinhalese who celebrate New Year on 13, 14 or 15th of April.
South Indians (including the stupid Tamils) too picked this idea from Sinhalese later.
There is nothing new about Sinhalese spreading their superior culture to the rest of the world. In fact Brahmagupta was the first to learn properties of zero from Champika’s ancestors who were believed to have spread the idea of Zero to Babylonians, Mayans and other early civilisations.
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sbarrkum / December 18, 2016
Never heard of Sinhalese making those kind of claims.
On the other hand Tamils claim that they are the source of all, including the Sinhalese.
Wasnt that the claim of Ajith and Real Siva Sankaran Sarma.
They avoided the Varna (Dharma) word tho.
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Native Vedda / December 19, 2016
sbarrkum
“Never heard of Sinhalese making those kind of claims”
Please refer to:
Champika Ranawaka Is Conning
By Shyamon Jayasinghe
June 18, 2014
Colombotelegraph
I can give you more example of Sinhala/Buddhists outrageous claims, but too tedious to mention here.
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Rohan / December 19, 2016
That is because there is nothing original in Sinhalese. From the language people food culture music dress all borrowed from others
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Native Vedda / December 19, 2016
Rohan
“That is because there is nothing original in Sinhalese. From the language people food culture music dress all borrowed from others”
Maybe.
However if you look deeper into “Tamil Culture” you will see it has been going through changes effected by outside forces, for more than 2,500 from cattle rustling tribes to highly skilled temple builders, navigators, international traders, .. to CEO of Google, Sundar Pichai, though Pitchai didn’t invent the first computer.
The point is no one culture could claim it was not influenced by other. The problem starts when certain section of people deny this fact and continue live in a romantic past.
Even the caste system was borrowed from the North Indians.
Remember globalization didn’t start with neo-liberals.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Theory of Evolution of Kallathonis
(A research article by Edwin Rodrigo}.
The Theory of Evolution of Kallathonis should not be considered as a refutation of Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, but as a refinement of the same, in the same way as Einstein’s Theory of Relativity was a refinement of Newton’s Laws of Motion.
Recently, while observing the behavior of Kalaveddahs and Kallathonis, I have observed many similarities between the two species. Both names start with ‘ka’ but the similarities do not end there.
Despite the famous Para Theory of Dr. Amarasiri, Native Veddah Aththo are not the original inhabitants of Sri Lanka. The Yaksha, Naga and Devas were. Thus the Native Veddah Aththo become Para Veddah Aththo. The Para Veddah Aththo evolved from the Kalaveddahs who swam across the Palk Strait together with Kallathonis thus forming a strong inter species bond that survives to this day. The motivation factor for this great watery migration was the harsh hell in their original habitats in Jambudveepa and beckoning of the comforts and an easy life in the Paradise Island, Lankadveepa.
IQ wise the Kallathonis lead the Kakaveddahs and vice versa in the Stink Index. While swimming, the male kallathonis lost their ability to reproduce due to long exposure of their yeggs to salt water. Therefore, they had to adopt to the trick of sending their females to the South for impregnation and to build up gene stocks.
(To be continued)
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Ravi-Telugu / December 17, 2016
EDWIN RODRIGO
what about Holy Lion and Human Hybridization?
Is it against Darwin’s Theory of Evolution or a New revolution in Evolution?
Bestialitya or Hybridizationiya as per your usage.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
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Mallaiyuran / December 17, 2016
Keethaponcalan did not define “Tamil” based on who was/is affected by the Lankawe’s Apartheid laws. Then the definition did not touch who is in need of a solution. Because, genetically, Sinhalese more Tamil Nadu Tamils(Pandya) than the the Keethaponcalan defined Tamils, who are now more Keralites in food and many cultural behaviours behaviours, Keethaponcalan definition lacks legality.
Keethaponcalan is confused of who is treated as Tamil and Apartheid on that, who is culturally Tamil, Who is genetically Tamils, whose appearance look Tamil, who manifest Tamilians attributes, who speak Tamil as Mother tongue and consider it as their mother tongue. That is there is need for Theory of Evolution of Kallathonis
The first and last Kallathonies arrived to Eelam, as per mythologies, are only about a boat load of Rowdies or the So called SinhaLE. This is hardly any more than twenty five. It is unlikely in 2500 years ago, a casual boat which was used to punish some rowdies would have been able to carry a 25 people and supplies for months of drifts from Bengal to Eelam. A man punishing a few people will not have sent 50 boats of Naval fleet to float on the ocean for months for 700 people to sail. A 700 People, mixed with lawfully migrated 700 Tamil Pandya women and can not have produced a race. Further, than the Princes and her intimate companions, very few important people did come to Eelam. This entourage might have had the Princess’s mother and a navy of 10 ships. Many returned back to TN. The King who sent her daughter should have had the knowledge of the surrounding of the Eelam Kingdom. That means Tamils were there and he had been having in touch with them. If true, basically none of the remaining 700 had TN brides. Further when Vijaya married the Yakka woman Kuveni, took years to have children, made arrangement to rob the Kingdom and chased her (only her) to jungle, the rest of the 700 idiots were not standing on the doorway, while there was a Yakka population existed and doing well outside in the town?
While Mahavamsa mythology is talking about the Kallathonies, a much earlier Dravidian story of Ramayana is talking about a massive army invading by Land to Eelam. The invaders did not have horses. They had only Dravidian war techniques. The King invaded Eelam won the Eelam king and married his daughter named Sita and took her with him by land. It appears she died on her way during the child birth. The king who returned to Ayodya has had a statue next him to represent his beloved wife while he was ruling. Back to Eelam – The traveling mode between TN and Eelam was available by land. So the Tamils came from TN are just walked did not come by Kallathonies like Vijeya.
During the Kalabhras invasion of TN Tamil kings lost their authority and lost contract with Eelam. Buddhism was brought them into Lankawe by TN Tamils. The Epic of “Manimekhala” is telling that pious nun has been travelling to Lanka to spread Buddhism. The ignorant poet who wrote that has said it is Sangamitta who spread the Buddhism in Lankawe. In reality it is the Tamil nun Manimekhala.
After a very good and meaningful interpretation of Mahavamsa, it is revealing that no chance of North Indian aryan mix took place in Lankawe. All the current population are the peoples lived before Vijaya came(If that myth is true) and the workforce migrated to Eelam, during the Kings and colonial times. All the workforce travelled by legal boats. The South Indian Keralites’, Tamils’, Telgus’ DNA contains much more Aryan mix than the Ceylonese DNA. If South Indians had passed less than their share of Aryan DNA to Ceylonese, then where is the Aryan rowdy Vijeya brought clean aryan DNA?
There is something lacking in this Mahavamsa History. While your Theory of Evolution of Kallathonis seems to fit and can well enlightening the CT readers, The Mahavamsa history appears to be only good enough to fool the bald headeds rowdies.
This is why there are some Arabian Merchants blood (DNA) in Ceylonese, but unexpectedly very low Aryan DNA in Ceylon people. So my conclusion is Muslims who claim their forefathers came from Arabia has more right to in Ceylon than who claim they came on the Kallathoni with Vijeya.
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Ravi-Telugu / December 17, 2016
Simple and clear
Classification by
a) Language
Tamil
Telugu
Vedda
Sinhalese
Malay
b) Religion
Tamil Hindus
Tamil Christians
Tamil Muslims
Tamil Buddhists
Sinhala Buddhists
Sinhala Christians
Vs
Religious Terrorists
RSS etc
IS/ISS etc
BBS, Ravana Balaya etc
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 17, 2016
Tamils as English Teachers
This is a friendly advice for those who are with their children outside Sri Lanka.
NEVER GO TO A TAMIL or any INDIAN FOR TEACHING ENGLISH TO YOUR CHILDREN.
You will find your children dropping ‘ha’, using RRRRRRRRRRR where R should be silent and saying yeggs instead of eggs. If you ignore my advice, you will hear child saying things like “Ave you ad yenithing for dineRRRRRRRRR. Let us ave Butterrr with breadhe”
Let them learn English through English movies and if they are sitting for TOEFL let them see the full Dollar series starring Clint Eastwood.
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Dr.Rahasingham Narendran / December 19, 2016
Edwin,
You are talking of Indian Tamils and not Lankan Tamils. Lankan Tamils do not roll their R’s, the Scots do so too! From what I have read, the Scots taught English to the Tamils in South India in colonial times. We Lankan Tamils used to make fun of the English spoken by Indian Tamils at one time, because of the way they rolled their R’s.
Dr.RN
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justice / December 17, 2016
When Arahat Mahinda preached his famous sermon to King Deva Nampiya Theesan, he did so in the Tamil language.
Else, the King would not have understood what was said.
This sermon resulted in the King and all his subjects, in embracing Buddhism.
This was the largest and fastest religious conversion, in the history of mankind – of an entire nation.
Hence, those who spoke Tamil, constituted the whole nation at that time.
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EDWIN RODRIGO / December 19, 2016
The language of conversion
The stone inscriptions soon after the conversion referred to by you, do not bear you out.
They are in a language completely different from Tamil. They are in Sinhala.
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