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Will An Unsteady State Of Governance Bring A Lasting Peace?

By Ayathuray Rajasingam

Ayathuray Rajasingam

Ayathuray Rajasingam

Time to realize the message of Bhagavad Gita

The message of Bhagavad Gita extends to the area of promoting good governance and sustainable development. Even Buddhism is indebted to the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita. Gita stresses the concept of duty and its significance for good leadership. Duty needs to be done without attachment and without any discriminations whatsoever and for those who do their duty without attachment will attain the supreme goal. It is the steady state of governance which will promote a lasting peace in any country.

Good governance denotes the ability to manage one’s anger which should not be allowed to gain control over an individual. According to Gita, complete delusion arises from anger and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence will be lost and when intelligence is lost, one falls down. The control of anger is a vital aspect of human relations. Prince Duryodhana  was shown in Maha Bharath as emotionally blackmailing Karna to engage in unrighteousness and followed an unsteady state of governance. This is what is happening in Sri Lanka today.

Sri Lanka political leaders always want to be in the forefront whenever there is a conference on the subject of the teachings of Bhagavad Gita, but when it comes to practice, they completely ignore its teachings and focus on misleading the public on various pretexts, especially engaged in emotional blackmailing which leads to unsteady state of governance. The appointment of Karuna Amman as a Minister, who was earlier involved in the bombing at Daladawa Maligawa, shooting of innocent Policemen and later seen in various clubs with women, is one of the cases in point. Now the protection given to the BBS leader, Gnanassara Thero for being in possession of an automatic firearm is another case to expose the unsteady state of governance by President Rajapaksa. The BBS is been utilized as an emotional blackmailing of the ethnic communities which reflects the uncultured behavior of Mahinda Rajapaksa and his siblings. Political leaders in countries where pluralism is practiced have yet to learn a lot from Federal countries like Canada. In Federal countries there are different decision-makers with different constituencies and democratic claims of equal strength with a steady state of governance. Should there be any conflicts, Judicial Review is seen as the best practical solution for settling disputes about Federalism. Political leaders in those countries are discouraged to engage in emotional blackmailing of the minority communities. In Federal countries democracy cannot appear to be a tyranny of the majority community. This is why Federalism is seen as a pathway to a strong democracy and for a lasting peace.

The messages of Bhagavad Gita are in compliance with the unique features of Federalism. The unique feature of Federalism is that it offers representation to different populations which have different aspirations and follow different cultures. But it appears that the government under President Rajapaksa has been overlooking these differences and adopt policies which cater to the majority for which the BBS is still been utilized in an uncultured manner, which is evident when he is unable to conquer his egoistic attitude and unable to use his intelligence. President Rajapaksa failed to realize that Provincial government are in a better position to understand their problems and offer unique solutions for them. This would have been the outcome of the 13th Amendment had it been implemented in its true perspective. This does not in any way amount to separation.

It is also painful to watch that the Central Government failed to realize that Federalism has the force of promoting inclusive development to Provinces and assuring proportional and fair representation for both the Tamil and Muslim communities in future governments and other decision-making organs of the country. In the Northern Province in Sri Lanka some unscrupulous ruling politicians ignore the aspirations of the people in the Northern Province and appropriate their resources in an undemocratic manner. This is where tyranny of the majority community is undemocratically is forced upon the minority Tamils. Here is a case when the Chief Minister desired to fulfill the needs of the people, his powers had been suspended through the Judiciary which have been squeezed because of the enormous powers of the Executive. This is where the Rajapaksa’s unsteady policy is exposed demonstrating that he is not interested in finding a lasting peace, but to keep the country under tension which cannot go on forever. Had the powers of the Chief Minister been not suspended, there would have been due consideration to local needs, tastes and opinion while formulating policies. Similarly, had there been Federal government, Courts would have intervened to show that Federalism is an expansion of democracy which is one step further than the democracy in a Unitary government. At present, the Central Government is engaged in emotional blackmailing of the minority communities through extremist groups like the BBS in contravention of the religious teachings to defeat the call for Federalism and to protect the interests of the President which are detrimental to the country.

Moreover, President Rajapaksa has failed to realize the message of the 13th Amendment that giving more powers to the Provinces, gives more control over their own affairs in their Provinces and protects them against the predatory politics of the Centre. Every Province has political, social and economic problems peculiar to the Province itself. It is the Provincial government representatives who are in a better position to understand these problems and offer unique solutions for them. As such there is no reason for the Central Government to delay the implementation of the 13th Amendment. If this is implemented, there will be unity among the Provinces when the Provinces have an annual General Conference among the Chief Ministers. Even the Provincial administrative machineries can have a conference and discuss ways and means to develop their respective Provinces. The 13th Amendment will provide the oppressed minority Tamils a legal and political structure to preserve their own culture and identity and will prevent the dismemberment of a country. This is the way to establish a confident building measure among the people. One ponders whether President Rajapaksa is adapting a policy of divide and rule with the view to defeat the purpose of the 13th Amendment and shatter the relationship of trust of the Tamils and even of the oppressed Sinhalese.

After the defeat of the LTTE, the Sinhalese are brainwashed into thinking that only President Rajapaksa can save and protect them and Buddhism. They are informed that any support given to the opposition by the West will end up in surrendering their sovereignty which is absolutely false and without any foundation. To achieve this purpose, Rajapaksa’s regime has adopted a policy of divide and rule among the communities and created a fear psychosis among the people through the creation of monster group like the BBS. But it is unfortunate that many Sinhalese are unaware that Rajapaksa is following a malignant economic policy, the result of which has seen earning foreign exchanges through Middle-East employment, where Sinhalese and Muslim girls are treated as slaves and sometimes executed in Kangaroo style without a fair trial. The execution of Rizana was a case in point. Sri Lankan ruling politicians have completely forgotten that mental instability is a step that leads to unsteady state of governance. Even Lord Buddha may be worried over such uncultured way of emotionally blackmailing the ethnic communities through the BBS. It is time for Sri Lankan politicians to realize that that service to human without any discriminations whatsoever is service to God.

When corrupt politicians enjoy power positions, people have lack of knowledge of their cruelty and absurdity. The manner of appointing the Parliamentary Select Committee and their behavior in relation to the impeachment of the Chief Justice Dr.(Mrs) Shirani Bandaranayake is a clear evidence that corrupt politicians took all forms of obnoxious decisions and made all manner of stupendous policies and made democracy a mockery. They failed to realize the message of Bhagavad Gita. Perhaps this may be one of the reason why Sri Lanka banned some websites for exposing the truth.

According to Bhagavad Gita any ruler who administers justice and protects the people without any discrimination whatsoever will be considered of divine quality. Merely paying homage to Lord Venkateswarar at Tiruppathy or participating in Poojas at Hindu temples will not make sense of possessing divine quality. If a ruler is to be considered as one with divine quality, then any ordinary citizen expects President Rajapaksa and his siblings abide by the message of Bhagavad Gita in renouncing the negative thoughts, renouncing inequality and promote equality, renouncing indiscipline and dishonesty, renouncing selfish desires and exercise selfless service and renouncing arrogance and ignorance. It is in Federalism such divine qualities of a person can be cultivated and righteousness (Dharma) can be restored.

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    Well written article.

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    The writer is very shrewd. He has swiftly exposed the motive (emotional blackmailing) of the Sri Lankan President. Good comparison with Prince Duryodhana.

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    bagawat gita my arse

    Cheers

    Abhaya

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      What about Buddha and his preachings?

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        Ajith,
        Didn’t you read ‘Even Buddhism is indebted to the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita’. I think he is very clear.

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      Abhaya

      “bagawat gita my arse”

      According to BHAGAVAD GITA your a*** is not really yours.

      Read the relevant bit below particularly the last sentence:

      What did you lose that you cry about?

      What did you bring with you, which you think you have lost?

      What did you produce, which you think got destroyed?

      You did not bring anything – whatever you have, you received from here.

      Whatever you have given, you have given only here.

      Whatever you took, you took from God.

      Whatever you gave, you gave to him.

      You came empty handed, you will leave empty handed.

      What is yours today, belonged to someone else yesterday, and will belong to someone else the day after tomorrow.

      You are mistakenly enjoying the thought that this is yours. It is this false happiness that is the cause of your sorrows.

      http://www.eaglespace.com/spirit/geetaenglish.php

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        Native Vedda,
        Thank you for clearing everyone’s doubt.

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    According to the writer, it appears that the 13th Amendment is a stepping stone towards federalism. He goes on to state that the 13th Amendment giving more powers to the Provinces, gives more control over their own affairs in their Provinces and protects them against the predatory politics of the Centre and concludes that this does not in anyway amount to separation. I think he means unity in diversity. Even the Draft Constitution that was presented during Chandrika’s period endorse such a proposition.

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    Well said again Mr.Rajasinham! Bensen

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    Ayathurai Rajasingham is absolutely on the mark when he points out the similarities between the Bhagavad Gita and the Buddhist concept of dasa raja dharma, which incorporates “the message of Bhagavad Gita in renouncing the negative thoughts, renouncing inequality and promote equality, renouncing indiscipline and dishonesty, renouncing selfish desires and exercise selfless service and renouncing arrogance and ignorance.”

    Rajasingham is also right when he asserts that anger, in the BG view, gives rise to delusion, which gives rise to bewilderment of memory. “When memory is bewildered, intelligence will be lost and when intelligence is lost, one falls down.” Buddhism incorporates these into the concept of Five Hindrances (Panca Nivarana)
    under the Right Thought (Samma Sankappa) path of the magga.

    UNFORTUNATELY, Rajasiingham loses his credibility by not practicing what he preaches.

    His essay exudes all the characteristics that the Bhagavad Gita deplores: starting with anger against Karuna and the Rajapakses. Moreover, how does he think that federalism will bring about a permanent solution?

    The law of nature says there is nothing permanent. Everything is in processual change. Buddhism concurs. How about BG?

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    Bhagavad Gita; Dhammapada;Bible; Kuran or any other scriptures would lay down all things that are conducive for the humanity. These scriptures are all very holy and good to be preached.

    But my question to you Sir: If people are not living according to the teachings and their own consciousness, what good can come out of those scriptures and teachings? What we find today are those HYPOCRITES of all shades ruling the ordinary citizens to achieve their own personal goals and ambitions. You will find them crowding to Temples, Kovils, Churches and Mosques and even change their attire and behaviour to suite the place and please the “Agents to the Gods” who run those institutions. What to speak of the people, even the very “Guardians” of those scriptures do NOT live and act according to the very guidelines given in those recoded teachings.

    So Dear Sir; Tell the people to first correct themselves “INTERNALLY” NOT “OUTWARDLY”and settle down to work for the common good of the whole community of living beings. Then this world will be quite a peaceful and a beautiful place for all of us to live. The “ANIMAL INSTINCTS” of the politicians must be washed away. Then you will see, your Geitha and all other scriptures working fine for the people.

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      douglas

      ” If people are not living according to the teachings and their own consciousness, what good can come out of those scriptures and teachings?”

      Forget about the goodness side of things, send in the religious and thought polices and order them to arrest as many as possible, put them in prison and throw the keys away. This will teach them a very good lesson.

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      Douglas,
      I agree with your view. I think it is time that all moderates should join together in the best interests of the country. First of all, Colombo Telegraph should be congratulated for entertaining articles from Ranil Wickremasinghe, Ayathuray Rajasingam and Charitha Ratwatte. Their views show strong support for democracy, especially freedom of the press. In addition, their Dean, Prof.Savitri Gunasekera also presented some valuable articles. None of them were communal. These 3Rs who were in the same Law Faculty almost had the same views. RW contested the Presidential election stating Federalism is the only solution for this ethnic problem. C.Ratwatte was reluctant to spell out that Federalism is the only solution, which I could gather from his article. A.Rajasingam was very clear on Federalism. Even Gamini Dissanayake & his wife Sirima (both had number of Tamil friends) relied on Federalism. RW & CR have number of Tamil friends. Likewise AR too had number of Sinhalese friends while they were in the Colombo University. Had all these 3Rs are in Sri Lanka, I am sure that there would have been some reconciliation and unity within the religious groups. Unfortunately AR is in Canada and is a Liberal, while RW & CR are UNPers and in Sri Lanka. Will there be any chance for them to be together to defuse the present tension in Sri Lanka. I think it is the moderates from all communities to ignore the extremists from all the communities and allow room for cultured moderates from all communities to enter into the political scene in the best interests of all the people in Sri Lanka. These are the moderates who can at least encourage the people to abide by the religious teachings and promote harmony among the communities and put an end to hate propaganda.

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    How is this BG doing in Mahabarth?..

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      K.A Sumanasekera

      “How is this BG doing in Mahabarth?”

      What has “Mahabarth” got to do with Bhagavad Gita?

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    There is a school of thought which believes that Buddha is one of the 10 avatars(Dasavathar)of Lord Vishnu. Does it offer a clue as to why Rajapaka’s visit Tirupathy??(abode of Lord Vishnu alias Venkateswara)

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    Brahamins and even some lucky Dalits have raked in so much money by doing politics that their crores stashed in Swiss banks outstrip the loot in local banks.

    Perhaps our politikkas must get cue from these Bagawath Geetha .followers.who have left behind over 500 Million of the fellow citizens below the poverty line of USD 1,25 a day.

    In contrast, our Vellalas in Wellawatta are raking in big time thanks to the peace dividends emanating from May 2009.

    Just in half a sq KM area from the Ramamakrishna Kovil,there at least half a dozen high riser luxury pads being constructed for the expats are coming up.

    These are in addition to the recently completed 100 apartment block adjacent to the Kovil, which by the way has become a mini Nalloor from its hole in the wall Siva Stand in Ramakrishna lane., .

    The new extension to the Marine drive is now a Luxury Coach stand, used for ferrying high net worth Vellalas to the North on the Weekends as well as Weekdays.

    If the Vellalas who have taken charge of the North get Federalism, , wouldn’t it be a travesty of justice for the rest who live in Wellawatta and the other Colombo postcodes.

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      K.A Sumanasekera

      “If the Vellalas who have taken charge of the North get Federalism, , wouldn’t it be a travesty of justice for the rest who live in Wellawatta and the other Colombo postcodes.”

      No it won’t be, justice only applies where it is actually practised, not in this island so just forget your concern.

      Wellawathai is their second homeland, let them deal with it the way they see fit.

      What is your problem?

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    “Even Buddhism is indebted to the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita”

    How is it so?

    I am not critiquing Bagwat Geetha here, but this person who says this with so conviction. As CT is filled with people showcasing their padithawakya eventhough they have no education or training to back it up, so this is a similar case.

    Buddhism came before Bhagwat Gita. so how does Buddhism be indebted to Gita? Does a grand father born out of a grand daughter? Which is the predessor?

    And secondly Bagwat githa mentions Buddha while buddha never spoke about BG. Which is understandable.

    This is further evident that most of the articles talking about history in this site should not be taken seriously. I dont know the education background or profession of the writer. I have seen vetenarians writing about sinhala language and SL history. For god’s sake talk about something you are well versed.

    And for the writer it is a very simple task to check which came before Buddhism or Bagwat gita

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    Sach,
    I appreciate your concern. Bhagavad Gita is an integral part of Maha Bharath. It was composed during the Vedic period, during which period Saraswathi River was considered of great significance. With the passage of time, there could have been an earthquake on account of the movement of the tectonic plates, resulting in the disappearance of Saraswathi River. It was along this great river several institutions were established by ancient sages. Sanskrit was considered as the official language during the Vedic period, though there were other languages. As such, it is said that Maha Bharath was composed around 3100 B.C. or even earlier. The date of composition is a debatable issue. However, Prince Siddhartha Gauthama was born in Kapilavastu and his enlightenment took place around 550 B.C. It could be a little earlier or after, which is also a debatable issue. Even Lord Buddha was in a way considered as a sage (Sakiyamuni) on whose teachings Buddhism was founded. Buddhism was in Pali while Maha Bharath was originally composed in Sanskrit. Pali was a hybrid language. Some are of the view that Lord Buddha was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Even Prince Siddhartha was a Hindu Prince. Strictly speaking Buddhism is an off-shoot of Hinduism. Though there are contradictions between Bhagavad Gita and the Buddhist Teachings, both stressed the significance of righteousness.

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      Of course Bagawat Gita is a part of Mahabarat. But Mahabarat was not written on a single period.
      I know hindus say Mahabarata is 3100 years old. The belief of devotees is different from the actual dates agreed upon by historians. For an example devoted christians would say with conviction Jesus was the son of god born in israel and world is 6000 years old, but historians dont disagree. Historians find it hard even to establish whether a real character called Jesus was there. And physicts, biologists and those who work on evolution would disagree with the other.

      So devoted Hindu’s claim (including yours) that Mahabarata is 3100 old is not accepted as a historical fact. It is considered to be written much later.

      Answer me this question, ‘Doesnt Bagawat Gita talks about Buddha? Doesnt Bagawat gita say Buddha is an avatar of Krishna?’ Not some people have the view that buddha is krishna’s avatar, but Bagwat githa mention so. Why didnt you mention that?

      In other words Bagawat Githa accepts the individual called Buddha. So how come Bagawat Githa came earlier? Even sensible and rational hindus in india (a rare brand in SL) accept that Bagawat Githa is a much later written prose.

      And the second thing Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism. No it is not. Buddhism has opposite of the views of Hinduism when we talk about Karma, Re incarnation, Soul, creator. Hinduism has more similarities with monotheistic religions like islam and christianity than with buddhism. How can Buddhism be an offshoot of Hinduism when it differs with Hinduism on all subjects.

      There is a tendency of fanatic Hindus to make Buddhism an offshoot of Hinduism. They have no idea of what the philoshophy of Buddhism states. They try to change Buddhism to make it look like Hinduism. On core subjects hinduism and buddhism are in two opposite places.

      And what is Hinduism? Hinduism doesnt have a single source. Its sources come from a wide time range. some sources predate buddha and some are post buddha. The sources that came after buddha would show buddhist influence. Another thing is buddhist pali canon say there were 60 religions during buddha’s time in india. belief in vedas or Brahmanism was just a one. Maha Veera, Ajitha Kesha Kambali, etc were there in early indian thought. Out of all these only buddhism and Jainism could survive invasive Brahmanism. The rest of the religious thoughts just disappeared or got absorbed into mainstream Brahmanism.

      It is this evolved Brahmanism that absorbed many religous ideas of ancient india that is known as Hinduism today. That is why rituals differ among Hindus from different parts of india. That is exactly this difference that islamist evangelicals like Zakir Naik quotes from early Vedas and shows how it is different from the later written hindu sources.

      Unfortuantely and due to pressure from fanatic Hindus enough research has not been done in early philosophy and religion in ancient india.

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        Sach,
        Let me be clear that Bhagavad Gita is earlier in point of time. Lord Buddha preached in Magadhi language, but Lord Buddha’s teachings were mainly written in Pali, which is a hybrid language. Even the edicts of Emperor Asoka was found in Magadhi, which implies Lord Buddha spoke Magadhi language. Hence Lord Buddha spoke Pali as it had some influence of Magadhi. It should not be forgotten that languages changes with the passage of time. For instance, the words ‘Malaya, ‘Indonesia’, several places in Malaysia, the word ‘Singapore’ etc originated from Sanskrit language, which implies the influence of the great epic Ramayana and Maha Bharath. Even the words “India’ and “Bharath’ are of Sanskrit origin. It should not be forgotten that there were more than 300 tribes speaking different languages in India. But Sanskrit had the force of binding the whole of India because of the significance of Hinduism. It stood ground firmly despite all attacks from the invaders.
        I would also like to emphasize that Maha Bharath was composed in around 3100 B.C. or ever earlier., that is it was composed about 5500 years ago or even earlier, which again is of considerable debate. Even today Wesak is celebrated as a mark of Lord Buddha’s enlightenment which is about 2600 years ago. No doubt that there are defects in Hinduism, but had anyone read Rig Veda and other three Vedas they would have realized that Hinduism is a way of life, philosophy and science. It is Hinduism which had given a clear explanation as to what is God, while accommodating other faiths within its fold and that is the beauty of Hinduism. I have heard the speeches of Zakir Naik, but I found he is unable to give a clear description of the word God. I think he has not understood the contents of the Vedas and Upanishads.

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          I think you have missed my point. I dont want to talk about Hinduism or critique the contents of Bagawat Geetha.

          Sanskrut may be be older than Pali. But does that mean every sanskruti work predate Pali works? What are you trying to prove saying buddha spoke in a hybrid Pali and sanskrut is a sacred language which is very old. How does it answer the question how Bagawat githa predates buddha?

          I was talking abaout Bagawat Githa, the historical fact is it was written after Budhha’s time. Actually 3-4 centuries later buddha’s time. That is the position of historians. Saying Bagawat githa is 3100 years old is dumb.

          And you didnt answer my question. I asked you whether Bagawat Geetha mentions about Buddha or not. Give me the answer.

          If Bagawat Geetha mentions Buddha in its prose how can it predate Buddha?

          Take a look at this link

          http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/bhagavadgita-and-buddhism-IDL127/

          This is written by a Hindu devotee. Look at what he says.

          “It is undeniable that the Bhagavadgita, in the form that it has come down to us with Lord Krishna as the central dominant Godhead, has arisen much later (probably some three hundred to four hundred years later) than the advent of the Buddha and his missionary life as Dharma-Kaya dedicated for the welfare of the world-Bahujan Hitay, Bahujan Sukhay. The source of inspiration for conceiving and casting Lord Krishna as the self of selflessness in the Bhagavadgita acting for lokasamgraha can be traced to the ideal model of life that the Buddha led and to the Buddhist teachings.”

          It is sad that CT has no journalist ethics or any professionalism to check accuracy when publishing articles.

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          Out of your reply more than 50% you are talking about a language which is not relevant. I didnt question what sanskrit is to India or what Hinduism is to india. Actually i didnt even talk about defects in Hinduism. I merely pointed out that Hinduism carries many ancient indian belief systems which were absorbed to Brahmanism. So it is rather Brahmanism which was influenced by other indian beliefs like buddhism, jainism.

          “I would also like to emphasize that Maha Bharath was composed in around 3100 B.C. or ever earlier., that is it was composed about 5500 years ago”

          I was talking about Bagawat geetha. I suppose i didnt make it clear in my previous comment. With whatever conviction you say Bagawat Geetha is 3100 years old is still wrong. As wrong as pope of catholic church who thought earth was flat with same conviction.

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    Sach,
    Thank you. It is good to exchange views. Though the subject matter of my article refers only to ‘whether a lasting peace can be brought through an unsteady state of governance – Time to realize the message of Bhagavad Gita’, I shall answer your issue. I also wish to state that I am not opposed to Buddhism or any other religion. All religions send the same message. I only maintain that Bhagavad Gita is earlier in point of time.
    I read the contents of ‘The Bhagavad Gita and Buddhism’ by O.N.Krishnan. I agree that Buddhism was opposed to the sacrifices and rituals-oriented Vedic religion. It should be accepted that both Hinduism and Buddhism refer to way of life. Buddha taught man gain salvation and freedom from sufferings only by his own exertions and efforts. But strictly speaking, if one reads the Rig Veda deeply, one will realize that Hinduism is opposed to sacrifices and caste system, but unfortunately they were misinterpreted during the intermittent period or periods. It is something like when a mother has fallen sick, it does not mean she is useless – she will have to be cured and brought to normalcy. A mother’s love is boundless. Likewise Hinduism is a mystic religion which will have to be analyzed deeply. However, it is very difficult to accept that Hinduism is been influenced by Buddhist teachings by way of assimilating the noble teachings of Lord Buddha.

    Now I am quoting a statement from Swami Vivekananda who states ‘The essence of Buddhism was all borrowed from the same Upanishads; even the ethics, the so-called great and wonderful ethics of Buddhism, were there for word for in some one or other of the Upanishads’. Ref: The complete works of Swami Vivekananda – Vol.3 at page 23.
    Compare the concept of AUM. The chant of AUM SHANTI AUM is associated with Hindu’s life. Hindu teachings typically end with the words AUM SHANTI SHANTI as an invocation of peace and the same chanting is also used to conclude in some Buddhist devotional ceremonies. The AUM SHANTI is of Sanskrit origin and SHANTI is also found in Pali which implies that it has borrowed from Sanskrit.

    According to Hinduism, religion is a matter of relationship between an individual and God. Buddhism remains silent on the concept of God as well as on the concept of religion, though generally Buddhism is referred to as a religion. But both Bhagavad Gita and Buddha’s teachings emphasize the importance of ‘RIGHTEOUSNESS’. Only the approach is different.

    The conclusion arrived at by the Vedas, the Upanishads and the Epics (Bhagavad Gita being an integral part of Maha Bharath) is that God realization is an enlightenment in our mind with the divine disclosure of the Supreme knowledge and intuitive power to realize the truth of the eternal worldly life attained by the grace of God. Enlightenment emanates divine love, compassion and understanding towards all beings as opposed to anger, revenge, greed, ego, and self-interest.

    Hence there is a contradiction when it is said that Bhagavad Gita arose 3 or 4 centuries after the birth of Buddha. The attempt in the Bhagavad Gita has been to provide the much-needed philosophical basis for the revival Brahmanical Vedic religion by absorbing and assimilating the best in Buddhism is contradictory. However, everyone is entitled to their view.

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      Ayathuray Rajasingam

      Though I have no clue as to the origin and age of Bhagavad Gita, I would like you to read news item below. Most of Indian history is buried under the sea. This news item that confirms the ancientness of India is based on marine archaeology. I thought this may be useful to your study of Sanadana Dharma (Eternal Law).

      Saturday, 19 January, 2002, 06:33 GMT

      Lost city ‘could rewrite history’

      Excavated Harrapan remains (Picture: North Park University)

      The city is believed to predate the Harappan civilisation

      By BBC News Online’s Tom Housden

      The remains of what has been described as a huge lost city may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history.

      Marine scientists say archaeological remains discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India could be over 9,000 years old.

      The vast city – which is five miles long and two miles wide – is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years.

      The site was discovered by chance last year by oceanographers from India’s National Institute of Ocean Technology conducting a survey of pollution.

      Using sidescan sonar – which sends a beam of sound waves down to the bottom of the ocean they identified huge geometrical structures at a depth of 120ft.

      Debris recovered from the site – including construction material, pottery, sections of walls, beads, sculpture and human bones and teeth has been carbon dated and found to be nearly 9,500 years old.

      Lost civilisation

      The city is believed to be even older than the ancient Harappan civilisation, which dates back around 4,000 years.

      Marine archaeologists have used a technique known as sub-bottom profiling to show that the buildings remains stand on enormous foundations.

      The whole model of the origins of civilisation will have to be remade from scratch

      Graham Hancock

      Author and film-maker Graham Hancock – who has written extensively on the uncovering of ancient civilisations – told BBC News Online that the evidence was compelling:

      “The [oceanographers] found that they were dealing with two large blocks of apparently man made structures.

      “Cities on this scale are not known in the archaeological record until roughly 4,500 years ago when the first big cities begin to appear in Mesopotamia.

      “Nothing else on the scale of the underwater cities of Cambay is known. The first cities of the historical period are as far away from these cities as we are today from the pyramids of Egypt,” he said.

      Chronological problem

      This, Mr Hancock told BBC News Online, could have massive repercussions for our view of the ancient world.

      Harappan site in Pakistan, BBC

      Harappan remains have been found in India and Pakistan

      “There’s a huge chronological problem in this discovery. It means that the whole model of the origins of civilisation with which archaeologists have been working will have to be remade from scratch,” he said.

      However, archaeologist Justin Morris from the British Museum said more work would need to be undertaken before the site could be categorically said to belong to a 9,000 year old civilisation.

      “Culturally speaking, in that part of the world there were no civilisations prior to about 2,500 BC. What’s happening before then mainly consisted of small, village settlements,” he told BBC News Online.

      Dr Morris added that artefacts from the site would need to be very carefully analysed, and pointed out that the C14 carbon dating process is not without its error margins.

      It is believed that the area was submerged as ice caps melted at the end of the last ice age 9-10,000 years ago

      Although the first signs of a significant find came eight months ago, exploring the area has been extremely difficult because the remains lie in highly treacherous waters, with strong currents and rip tides.

      The Indian Minister for Human Resources and ocean development said a group had been formed to oversee further studies in the area.

      “We have to find out what happened then … where and how this civilisation vanished,” he said.

      See also:

      22 May 01 | South Asia
      Indian seabed hides ancient remains
      12 Feb 01 | South Asia
      Quake reveals hidden water
      19 Jun 00 | South Asia
      Ancient gold treasure found
      04 May 99 | Sci/Tech
      ‘Earliest writing’ found
      Internet links:

      Archaeological Survey of India
      Indus (Harappa) Civilisation
      Harappan Civilisation
      National Institute of Ocean Technology

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1768109.stm

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      Again i am telling you i am not critiquing Hinduism.I question your claim that Buddhism owes to bagawat Githa.

      You need not quote Vivekananda, I know many religious Hindus treat Buddhism as a revolution to free hinduism (according to Hindus), from rituals and sacrifices. Buddhists dont think so. Therefore dont push your version of Buddhism on others when Buddhists disagree with you. Buddhism is completely different from Hindusim in philosophical aspect.

      I asked you a single question.

      Does Bagawat Geetha mention Buddha???

      And dont take time to evade the question and write something else that is not related to what i am asking.

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        Sach,
        I am giving what is said in the introductory overview in Srimad Bhagavad Gita.
        ‘The eternal knowledge of the Bhagavad Gita has not been influenced by Buddhism, Jainism, Islam, …….., because these religions (including Buddhism) did not exist at that time. There is no reference to Buddhism any where in the Bhagavad Gita. The word ‘Nirvana’ is compounded with the word ‘Brahma’ as in Brahma-nirvanam meaning identified with the Ultimate Truth. In Buddhism, the word ‘Nirvana’ is used to mean extinguished in terms of loss of separate existence. As the word ‘Nirvana’ by itself also used in Maha Bharath in the sense of extinction, it can be determined that the Buddhists received this concept of Nirvana from earlier Vedic scriptures.’
        Now it is up to you to decide which is earlier in point of time.

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    Native Vedda,
    Thank you very much. I have gone through some your information that you have mentioned. As you said some are buried. Recently they have discovered about Dwaraka under Gulf of Kutch. I will be posting some more articles relating to Hinduism some of which will be interesting.

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