By C.V. Wigneswaran –
Justice C.V. Wigneswaran
This week I am answering several questions posed by a person who was annoyed that I called Mahāvaṃsa a fiction in my earlier Question for the Week series.
Question: You have stated that Mahāvaṃsa is only a fabrication written in Pali. On what facts and basis do you state so?
Answer: I did not say fabrication. It was a fiction written in Pali for the glorification of Buddhism. Mahanama at the end of every stanza says so. A historian will not say at the end of every stanza I do this for the glorification of a particular Religion or philosophy. His purpose was religious not writing history.
Question: Information and details provided in history and inscriptions found at many places of archaeological value and books on history and ancient events in Sri Lanka including India as well as other countries too, confirm contents in Mahāvaṃsa are exactly true and genuine. Then how do you call Mahāvaṃsa is only a fabrication in Pali.
Answer: Fabrication is a wrong word used by your good self. We sometimes write fiction with certain known information. Suppose I write a fictional short story that Mr. X was walking down Galle Road, Colpetty on a particular day, the latter information that there is a Galle Road in Colpetty might be true while Mr. X walking down Galle Road on that particular day would be fiction. Some information of historical value may have been included by Mahanama taking such information from traditional stories available at that time. Lots of journalists even today take existing facts and join them with their fancy stories and write articles giving the impression that their entire articles are genuine and true. I can identify such journalists if needed. In any event what contents of Mahāvaṃsa do you say are true and genuine? Once you tell me that, then I could answer your question more in detail.
Question: It was according to information and details given in Mahāvaṃsa that late King Ashoka the Emperor of India was recognized correctly and his period of reign decided upon. By these facts too, it is crystal clear that Mahāvaṃsa has an international recognition.
Answer: This is not true. The recognition of King Ashoka never came to pass only due to the existence of Mahāvaṃsa. You are insulting the Indians! The Ashokan Edicts were well known.
Question: There are many books written by foreigners about our country. Among those are many about our history. One book contains a report by Fa Hien as a keen observer of this country. But none of the books state about a Tamil Eelam.
Answer: There is no need to prove Thamil Eelam. It exists even now. Eelam is another name for Lanka, Ceylon, Serendip and so on. Since Sri Lanka exists Eelam also exists. Thamil Eelam is that part of Sri Lanka which has from pre Buddhistic times been Tamil speaking. That’s all. Eelam contains Tamil speaking Eelam and Sinhala speaking Eelam. The Sinhalese masses have been misinformed so far.
Question: Yalpaanam Vypawamalai is considered the oldest book written about the history of original Tamils. Information provided at the very beginning of that book tallies with information given in Mahawamsa to a great extent. At the beginning it states about King Wijaya just as mentioned in Mahawamsa too. What are your views on this issue.
Answer: Yalpaana Vypavamalai was not a book written by a Historian. He would have thought Mahāvaṃsa to have been true and referred to its contents. But within the last ten years or so, lots of evidence has come to light to show the existence of Tamils from pre Buddhistic times.
Professor Indrapala wrote his thesis for his Doctorate in the 1960s. They would not give him his Doctorate at the Ceylon University if he told the truth of the existence of Tamils prior to Chola occupation. So he said real cogent evidence of permanent settlements of Tamils was found only during the Chola occupation. My friend Lawyer S.L. Gunasekera went to town with Dr. Indrapala’s thesis Book. But what happened? Professor Indrapala wrote his subsequent Book in 2005 from Australia giving full details of Tamil occupation of Sri Lanka from pre Buddhistic times. Even our Sinhala Professors and respected Buddhist monks had been stultifying research to further their chauvinistic ends.
Question: Even in Tamil history book Yalpana Vypavamalai at the very beginning it states about the periods of reigns from King Wijaya to other kings who reigned in Sri Lanka exactly as stated in Mahāvaṃsa. This too clearly confirms Tamil history books have been written on facts and guidelines given in Mahāvaṃsa.
Answer: Yalpana Vypavamalai was not written by a Historian. He took for granted that Mahāvaṃsa contents were authentic history and must have written his book. That does not take away the fact that Mahāvaṃsa in fact was a fictional writing written for the glorification of Buddhism. Like S.L. Gunasekera taking Professor Indrapala’s first book to prove his Sinhala story you are taking Yalpana Vypawamalai, which is not a historical work, to prove your case. But the last ten years have brought ample proof of the antiquity of the Tamils in Sri Lanka. A very senior Professor of History said so recently at a public meeting.
Question: Although Yalpana Vypavamalai covers a long period of over 2400 years it contains details of 20 kings only. What are your views about this?
Answer: I do not have to comment any further about Yalpana Vypawamalai. If the author of Yalpana Vypawamalai lived today he would write a Book like Professor Indrapala disassociating himself with the contents of his earlier Book. You cannot keep truth hidden for a long time.
Question: It is stated in Yalpana Vypawamalai that the soil in the North was known as Weligoda (mound of sand) in the past. During this period a blind poet named Weeraruwan from India visited Sri Lanka. King Rajasinghe who was highly satisfied with the performance of his violin play, gifted him with a nindagam. Later their area was called Yalpanam which means violin player’s village. This proves clearly that Sinhalese people lived in North.
Answer: Utter rubbish! Sinhala words were coined for Tamil names and words within the past 100 years or so only. Now these coined words are used to say the coined Sinhala name existed centuries earlier. Manal Aru is a good example. Manal Aru was the name given in all official documents both before Independence and after until about 40 years ago. Then the Sinhala translation of Manal Aru viz. Weli Oya was inserted into Official documents. Now it is said Weli Oya was the Original name of the area and the Tamils took over and named it Manal Aru! You can check the Official documents during the British times and the early years after Independence. Lots of fraudulent acts of this nature had been taking place simply to portray that this Country was originally Sinhala and Buddhist. Even Mootha Sivan’s son Thevanai Nampiya Theesan has been changed to Devanampiya Tissa! There was no Sinhala Language at that time when Theesan was living.
Question: According to page 51 of the Yalpana Vypawamalai Sinhalese translation, it states all who professed Buddhism were Sinhalese people. Many Buddhists lived in the Kingdom of Jaffna. If it was so how do you say Tamil Buddhists lived in Jaffna in the past?
Answer: All Sinhalese may have been Buddhists. But all Buddhists were certainly not Sinhalese. Professor Sunil Ariaratne refers to Demala Bauddhayo in his Book under the same title. Please do not harp on Yalpana Vypawamalai again and again like my friend S.L. Gunasekera used to quote Professor Indrapala’s first book as his sole proof for his distorted view of History. I speak on the basis of the latest discoveries.
A discovery is where you are able to bring out something covered by removing the cover. The recent evidence regarding the Tamils have uncovered the wrong ideas propagated so far by some pseudo Sinhala Historians.
Question: Yalpana Vypawamalai states about the Aryachakrawarthy dynasty. Indian inscriptions state that. That dynasty was not Tamil. If it was so, how do you say original residents in Jaffna were Tamils and there was a Tamil Kingdom in Jaffna?
Answer: Aryachakrawarthis were Telugu Dravidians. They spoke Tamil when they were ruling here because Tamil was the language of communication at that time at the Royal Level. The Kandyan King signed in Tamil in 1815. He was an Aryachakrawarthi. Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada and Sinhalese were all Languages that came out of Tamil. Tamil and Pali helped to form Sinhala language. Surely I don’t have to prove to you that Sangiliyan the last King of Jaffna was a Tamil? Are you trying to say Jaffna Patnam was Sinhalese? How foolish of you! Sinhala language came into existence only 1300-1400 years ago. Before that there were no Sinhala language nor Sinhalese as a community. Mahāvaṃsa was in Pali. There was no Sinhalese when Mahāvaṃsa was written in the 5th Century AD. Sinhala came in the 6th or 7th Century AD. Further the recent DNA tests have confirmed Tamils and Sinhalese are from the same common origin.
I would therefore ask all my Sinhalese Brothers and Sisters to take cognizance of their common ancestry with us the Sri Lankan Tamils, grant us merger of North and East and include federalism in our constitution with a special unit within the North and East for the Tamil speaking Muslims so that the Sinhala, Tamil and Muslim brethren could hold hands together and move forward!
*Justice C.V. Wigneswaran – Former Chief Minister, Northern Province and Secretary General, Tamizh Makkal Kootanii
latha / December 27, 2019
Does Tamil history is only on what this & that man tolled?
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Mallaiyuran / December 28, 2019
Latha,
Don’t make yourself as a child.
Remember none of the Sinhala Books were written in Kaimunu’s time. Kundalakesi and Manimegalai, two Tamil Buddhist books are within the most honored Tamil Aimperum Kappiyam (Book are of BCE).
In Ceylon, there was nothing but Tamil legends existed. There was no Sinhala before 5th century. Deepawamsa and Mahavamsa are two books distorted the Tamil legends. The rest is invented.
During the Kalapirar invasion, TN Tamil kings were weakened. Cultural Communication with Ceylon fell apart. By 4th Century, Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism were having bloody fights in TN. Only Buddhist monks, who were losing in TN, were travelling to Ceylon seeking refuge in the Island. That time corrupted the Native Tamil with Sanskrit and Pali. Thus the Sinhala was born. We know how Malayalam was born from Tamil. Then these monks rewrote the Tamil legends in their way.
Krishna means black man. Dravidian Krishna was working to balance the Kandahari’s schemes in Haustinapura’s palace using his aunt’s children. The Krishna won that battle but Ariyan’s won the war, latter days. The Dravidian started to treat Krishna as like their god, after that magnificent battle. But Aryans’ eventually, when they ran over the entire North, redid the cultural foundation, including rewriting Krishna’s story as their god and he as the enemy of lost Dravidians. Still Karunanidhi’s and his gang treat Krishna as Tamils’ enemy. But he was the king saved Tamils and chased out Kandaharians.
That is how the Tamil story Mahavamsa, now a story against Tamils. We have lot of experience in these. Ask me if want to read it in length like a long book.
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Abhaya Premawardena / December 28, 2019
every racist Tamil monkey says the whole world was born out of Tamil. Stateless idiots.
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velu Rasiah / December 29, 2019
Abhaya, you are the real racist shit. Your ancestors (vijaya and his thugs) were the stateless idiots landed here.
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jayt / December 30, 2019
Solution this , Sinhalese have it on their hand, but Sinhalese don’t see it.
Today Sri lanka completely run by foreign spies; news papers/medias, government, oppositions and many organisations.
All bogus story are given to Tamil by well skilled global spy organisation who similarly claim that all western cavillation belongs to them or came from them and that fact is it is other way around; they are stealing everything from Western civilisation.
Solution to this is come to agreement with Japan and
get all technology we need to spy on Sri lanka and other countries and we need a few courage’s people to carry out this project. THis has to be done privately, without any connection to any party
As part of this, we first at least two spy ships which are equipped to intercept phone messages, text messages and other web communication. Step two is to station one ship near Colombo and other one near Jaffna. The whole goal is to Capture global spies and their local agents belong to many political parties and religion with evidences and go for revolutionary changes
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Punchi Point / December 31, 2019
Languages don’t get born – they evolve. Tell us when the Tamils first got to know of the Mahavamsa? Both the Mahavamsa and the Dipavamsa are written using Sinhalese commentaries, as the prefaces say. Who are you to question that?
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Burt / December 28, 2019
I thought only vehicles are tolled in Sri Lanka. Do they toll people too?
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Native Vedda / December 28, 2019
latha
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Its difficult to raise intelligent question if you are void of any knowledge, worse if you are void of wisdom. You are attempting very hard though end up proving your …..
Please read the following then attempt:
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“LANGUAGE CONTACT AND LINGUISTIC AREA:
SINHALA TAMIL CONTACT SITUATION’
“Every word has its own history and its own area”
(Quoted Masica 2003: 139)
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Sandagomi CoPerahewa
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babalawathie mudunkotuwa / December 28, 2019
Dear Wigie,
not only you, but anyone who has studied it would feel that Mahanawansa is a fiction.
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I was born to a family close to late Dr Walpola Rahula Thero – but for my studies I moved out of the country few decades ago. I questioned myself not once back and forth, why on earth lanken MAHANWANSA does not seem to be subjected to revision. Today people s knowledge on then unknown topics are somewhat clear – through archaeological and geological research outcomes, than then. So, the versions and stammered stories based on Jathaka katha, but not going by facts, should be revisioned accordingly. Why on earth, lanken most respectable chapter monks did not allow or make wholehearted efforts regarding the topic. Instead, they either stayed mum or did utter anything when questions came up why was that ?
Even today, not few weeks ago, some brutal sinhala mobs demolished the lively hoods of muslim srilankens – but chapter monks stayed mum as sounded they indirectly endorsed the brutal acts of the mobs. Any most so called buddhists, never thought twices, that those poor innocient muslims are too consisting of the same flesh and bones… as is the case with sinhalaya….. why is that ? I learnt buddhism also in damam schools, and later by myself – …. and I do believe, if we truly respect true teachings of buddha, we should better, respect non-violence rather than,… any kind of violence acts the way RAJAKSHE supporters directly or indirectly promote in this god beloved island. They believe, mahawansa has given place to the monks as no others…. so that even any sivuru wearers could do anything in the name of SANGAYA..
Lately, going by statistics, lot more monks have contributed to high crimes than the lay people in this country.
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Punchi Point / December 31, 2019
Good question, Latha. The thing is Tamils think history is about fabricating nonsensical race and linguistic theories, shuffling letters in Sinhalese words to get obnoxious Tamil etymologies, etc… Its simply because they do not have any history in this island.
If we forget ancient history for a moment, and look at the lies Wigneshwaran has told about recent history – it is common knowledge that both British and Indian scholars strove several decades to decipher the Brahmi script and to identify who had left the huge pillar and rock inscriptions in India, and it was James Prinsep who finally deciphered it ca. 1836/37. Prinsep initially identified our king Devanampiyatissa as the authour of these pillar and rock inscriptions, since the inscriptions were signed with just “Devanampiya”. Prinsep writing in1837:
“But in my preceding notice, I trust that this point has been set at rest, and that it has been satisfactorily proved that the several pillars of Delhi, Allahabad, Mattiah and Radhia were erected under the orders of king Devanampiya Piyadasi of Ceylon, about three hundred years before the Christian era.” JRASB (1837) Volume VI part II, pp. 566-67
It was only after information from the Dipavamsa which George Turnover thought was a copy of the Mahavamsa was brought in that it was clear that “Devanampiya” was an appellation originally used by king Asoka, which our king Tissa had adopted, and that Devanampiya in the Indian inscriptions was Asoka. Information in the Asokan inscriptions are corroborated by the information in Sinhalese chronicles, including Mahavamsa. Anybody interested in this subject should read the journals from 1800’s which are freely available in the internet-archive, and see the importance and the central role the Sinhalese people’s chronicles played in fixing the chronologies, places and identities in Indian history.
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Lester / December 27, 2019
For readers who seek objective evidence, here is the genetic admixture of Sinhalese: 72% Bengali, 15% Tamil, and 12% Gujarati (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0235db156335fc2f06c7040069df79f1.webp). There is no doubt that Sinhalese evolved from some kind of Aryan people. Look at the word HELA. The Greeks also call their island Hellas. It shows that Sanskrit and Ancient Greek have some common derivative. Now I ask readers: what are the odds some Dravidians will colonize the island and call it Heladiva?
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Capillary Action Explained / December 27, 2019
Lester,
What you are saying is that a larger number of Bengalis settled in this tiny island thousands of years ago by passing through a powerful Dravidian Kingdom?
Is that your best explanation?
What kind of tunneling are you proposing to validate your postulate?
Just because Sinhala language adapted many words from Sanskrit doesn’t mean Sinhala language has a connection with Greeks!
We’ve heard interpretation of your pathetic logic so many times from people like you.
By the way, someone said that Sinhalese discovered capillary action first to flow water against gravity. Is that true like the logic of Aryans in the backyard of the Dravidian Kingdom?
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Native Vedda / December 27, 2019
Jester without a sense of humour
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“here is the genetic admixture of Sinhalese: 72% Bengali, 15% Tamil, and 12% Gujarati (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0235db156335fc2f06c7040069df79f1.webp
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Don’t you think its time you left our shores?
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“There is no doubt that Sinhalese evolved from some kind of Aryan people.”
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We can see similarities of Aryan self destruction from Mahabarata to Mahawamsa to Herrenvolk of Aryan Germany.
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Read and educate yourself:
Common ancestry of Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils – DNA proof
“West Eurasian haplogroups among the Sinhalese, Sri Lankan Tamils and Vedda population groups with a longer history in the island suggest early migration of women carrying these haplogroups into the country. Our data led us to conclude that contemporary Sri Lankans share very close maternal ancestors and that ethnicity is created by linguistic, religious and cultural differences rather than by genetic differences.”
– Prof. Kamani Tennakoon, University of Colombo.
(This article is authored by the admin of this blog and not by Prof. Kamani Tennakoon whose work amongst other researchers is quoted from.)
https://sldna.blogspot.com/2019/02/common-ancestry-of-sinhalese-and-sri.html?fbclid=IwAR1vl0aGbqS0TLXfqxRUTaee_lNdKNaKKl2oEFRvJiPyUty2NEmEw9V9S8s
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Mallaiyuran / December 28, 2019
” Now I ask readers: what are the odds some Dravidians will colonize the island and call it Heladiva? ”
Lester Hella,
Heladiva- There is no “H” in original Dravidian Tamil. It is E(e)ladiva. Yes, there is no word in any language as Diva. There is only in one language-that is Tamil- a word available, that is Thivu (தீவு). Fix your knowledge accordingly.
Congrat for you new learning!
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latha / December 28, 2019
Then what is Divaina ( Island)
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Mallaiyuran / December 28, 2019
Latha,
Read the comments without just asking question.
Before Mahanama, the southern Tamils dragged the Divu into Divina.
Tamil, Pali, Sanskrit all three are in Sinhala. A new language is born from a mother language when a sectional area’s pronunciation get corrupted and other languages’ words infiltrate in to that. If you notice Telugu has many “L” in that and Malayalam has “nG” in that. If you notice the TN people pronounce the “nk” and Ceylonese pronouncing it. Their Tamil has heavy “nk” and Ceylonese almost suppress the nk. Area to area it differs the word’s sounds. Many areas drags the words, others chops, too. Do you know there is an American English called Ebony. The American Blacks named from the black tree ebony. It is spoken only by Blacks. It is very hard to understand the way they pronounce the English words. The Madras Tamil(not TN Tamil) is, they speak Tamil and English mixed, but all the English word in that are Tamilised. So any Westerner hears it will not know that those are English words. None of these are new to practical world. Some linguists argue those are different languages, but some argue it is only a different accent.
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Lester / December 29, 2019
“Diva” is a Sanskrit word which means “time of day.” It has nothing to do with “thivu.” There is another word “divij” which means celestial.
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latha / December 30, 2019
Dweepa is the Sanskrit word for a country as in Jambudweepa (India), Lankadweepa= Lakdiva
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Punchi Point / December 31, 2019
You fix your knowledge. Thivu is NOT an original Tamil word, but borrowed from Sanskrit.
“They had no word expressive of the geographical idea of ‘ island ‘ ”
That’s according to Robert Caldwell, an authority in Dravidian linguistics and quoted in Dravidian Theories by R. Swaminatha Aiyar, page 64
It is the Sanskrit word “dvipa” Tamils had borrowed and Tamilized into “tivu”. page 336 of the same book.
The question is HOW is it possible for the Tamils to not have a word for island, if they were indigenous to an island?
Also, if the Tamils were in the coastal areas of south India for long, they would have had a word for island, since there are small islands around the coast of India, which proves very well that the Tamils had not even made to the southern coast of India, prior to the Indo-Aryans. As shown by many scholars (F. C. Southworth, Fuller etc.) the Dravidian speakers occupied the interior of upper central India, in the upper Krishna valley, and started spreading southwards only around 1000-700 BC, by which time the Indo-Aryan speakers had also spread southwards. According to R. Swaninatha Aiyar many of the agricultural words are borrowed from Indo-Aryan:
“Archaeology says that when the Aryans penetrated into Southern India, they found the country inhabited by men in the neolithic stage of culture. The South Indian words for ‘paddy’, ‘rice’, ‘ragi’; for ‘plough’, ‘cattle’, buffaloes’, and ‘sheep’; and for ‘boats’ and ‘rafts’ appear to be derived from North Indian names brought by Aryan speaking immigrants”. Dravidian Theories, R. Swaminatha Aiyar, page 542
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latha / January 1, 2020
Tamils can’t face a Punchi Point
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / January 2, 2020
Stupid idiot it is the other way around Tamils. Around many Tamil/Dravidian and Munda words crept into Sanskrit. In reality around 30% of Sanskrit vocabulary is of Dravidian/Tamil and Munda origin. Both Tamil and Sanskrit borrowed words extensively from each other . Tamil more so. However Tamil only borrowed words from Sanskrit but Sanskrit borrowed the Tamil/Dravidian grammar , lexicon and syntax. This is why Indo Aryan is the only group amongst the Indo European family that has the Dravidian retro flexes. All languages borrow words but a language borrowing another languages grammar lexicon and syntax is a great thing and this shows how much influence Tamil had on Sanskrit and not the other way around. Tamil people have been living along the coasts and islands from time immemorial and you mean to say they never had a word or term to describe an island until the met the landlocked Sanskrit speaking people who originated from the steppes of Central Asia. Don’t be daft. Theevu is an original Tamil word and this was borrowed from Tamil to Sanskrit like many other words. Those days every word common to Tamil and Sanskrit was presumed to have a Sanskrit origin and Tamil borrowed from this. This was due to racist Aryan European supremacy that was imposed even on Indians , especially the Brahmins and other North Indians. In reality it was the other way around . It was Sanskrit that came from the central Asian steppes with no history or writing and an oral tradition that borrowed its writing grammar , lexicon and lots of vocabulary from Tamil. This fact was deliberately hidden by the Brahmins ( I am one ) and North Indians and other Europeans. This is a fact
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Mallaiyuran / January 4, 2020
Punchi,
I missed this comment to reply. Sorry. Anyway you are not abandoned by Tamil commentators. You have got ample.
May I know was that you or Swaminatha Sharma lived in the artificial island Aryans built in Afghanistan? Did you read Swaminatha Sharma’s “Grece Valzhtha Varalaru” (The history how Greece lived). Then you wouldn’t talk like that.
There is joke. One time the Shipping Minister from Afghan came to meet Justice Minister Hakeem. Hakeem asked why would they want a shipping minister there, & what does he do? He asked what a Justice Minister in Lankawe is doing, where is not justice minister, like Afghan has not port to do shipping.
By Greeks time, Tamils went to Greece and gave them Rice there. They know just not Divu, almost all Indian languages shipping term are coming from Tamil. Even the English Navy (Latin) is originating from Tamil “Navai”
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Rohan / December 28, 2019
Ah here comes the Sinhalese Goebbels , who lives the good life in London , with another of his fairy tales and propaganda. Hela is the Prakrit corruption of the ancient Tamil word for the island Eelam or Eezham and has nothing to with ancient Greeks. Going all the way to Gujarat and ancient Greeks , instead of the Tamils who are from the region , and have a rich and ancient classical civilisation to justify your racist propaganda. Mad man. Please do to the moon too,
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Richmond Peiris / December 27, 2019
Quoted from Mr. Wig’s article: “There was no Sinhalese when Mahāvaṃsa was written in the 5th Century AD. Sinhala came in the 6th or 7th Century AD.”
Mr. Wig, you must be a pretty interesting nutcase!
If you are right,
1. What’s the language that the people of pre-Mahawansa era spoke in Sri Lanka? Tamil? King Dutugamunu who lived in the 2nd century BC spoke Tamil? (not Sinhalese)? What’s this nonsense?
2. Mahawansa was written in Pali but the alphabet was Sinhalese. How did that happen?
3. In Mahawansa, there is a mention about Buddhagosa who wrote Visuddhimagga (Path of Purification: a famous book among the Western scholars today). Buddhagosa mentions that he used Sinhalese commentary books and actually translated many of them to Pali.
4. Pali has no alphabet even today; Magadhi Pali is the language used by The Buddha and by the ‘Hela’ people (in Siv Hela= 4 Sinhala kingdoms) at the Buddha’s time (6th century BC). The Sinhalese had a well developed alphabet and the Buddhist monks used the Sinhalese alphabet when they wrote books in Pali.
5. Buddha has apparently imposed a ‘Vinaya’ rule and prohibited to translate his teachings (preached in Magadhi Pali) to other languages. Therefore, monks were compelled to use Pali when they wrote to preserve Buddha’s teachings, and wrote only commentaries in Sinhalese.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / December 28, 2019
Re-write the history correctly according to recent findings.
1. There was a single landmass connecting present day Sri Lanka and India, which were separated by sea upheaval about 8,000 years ago.
2. First immigrants are the Veddhas, who walked all the way from Africa as evidenced by stone and iron tools found similar to those found in Africa. They are living for more than 60,000 years along eastern coast and south eastern hinterland. Some of them are still maintaining their identity, while those in the eastern coast have become Tamils and many living in hinterland have become Sinhalese. They were primarily hunter gatherers, but recently a seat of their rule has been discovered in Kathiraveli in eastern province showing that some of them were civilized.
3. Next set of immigrants were Dravidians who walked all the way from Indus valley. They occupied the northern and north western parts of Sri Lanka as evidenced by urn burial sites discovered in these areas. Moreover potsherds discovered in the north which were found to be similar to those found in Tamil Nadu proves that the people lived in Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu were of the same ethnic group.
4. The languages spoken in Sri Lanka were Elu, a Dravidian language considered to be proto-Tamil and Tamil itself. This corroborates with the fact that Pandyan brides who knew only Tamil were able to communicate without difficulty with Kuweni’s people, the inhabitants and Vijaya’s people who came from Bengal.
5. Dravidians living in Sri Lanka had a glorious civilization centered around Mantotam which is evidenced by the recent discovery of two such sites in Mannar district. They had trade links with other parts of the world as evidenced by foreign coins and other artifacts found in these areas. (CONTD)
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Eagle Eye / December 28, 2019
Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam,
Despite all the scientific evidences presented by renowned archeologists such as P.E.P. Deraniyagala, S.U. Deraniyagala and Raj Somadeva confirming that Sinhalayo evolved in this island and hence they are Native people, you are demonstrating your naivety by not accepting that fact. We have re-written history based on these new findings. Vijaya story is out. Native Sinhalayo are not prepared to re-write their history based on fabricated stories of the descendants of Dravidians brought to Sinhale by colonial parasites. The problem is we can tell the truth to the don-key but we cannot force the don-key to accept the truth.
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Read:
Ithihasaya: 10 Shreniya, Adyapana Prakashana Departhamenthuwa, 2018.
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‘Sri Lankawe Adi Ethihasaya’ by Raj Somadeva, Gurulugomi Prakashakayo, Maharagama, 2016. ISBN:978-955-8696-46-0
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Watch:
New Horizons in History of Sri Lanka – An Archeological Perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNtK_xFtIE
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Sri Lanka Ethihasaya Pilibanda Nawa Soya Geneem by Raj Somadeva (Part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFFsKC-I9PE
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Sri Lanka Ethihasaya Pilibanda Nawa Soya Geneem by Raj Somadeva (Part 2)
https://id.leisure.lv/video/0WX5bF025NKFY1U%3D.html
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shankar / December 28, 2019
dr.gnana
“4. The languages spoken in Sri Lanka were Elu, a Dravidian language considered to be proto-Tamil and Tamil itself.”
keep off the scotch when writing rubbish.Elu is a prakrit language.Prakrit languages are indo aryan languages that precede todays modern indo aryan ones such as Urdu.It was also known as helu and sometimes as hela.As for the pandyan women communicating with their husbands it was easy,because it was one way communication.The man would make a round with his thumb and index finger and insert his other finger into it and the woman would dutifully remove her clothes and get into the bed with him.That was all the main communication needed at that time between man and woman in Hela Dipa.That was the only interest shown by the man towards a woman.Even now some sin-hela do it.
ps.now don’t go and try that on brits women who can be quite feisty and get a slap.You being doctor and all that is enough to get deregistered.
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Native Vedda / December 28, 2019
shankar
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“Elu is a prakrit language.Prakrit languages are indo aryan languages that precede todays modern indo aryan ones such as Urdu.”
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Please cite evidence.
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Hela Mama / December 28, 2019
NV
From where did you learn that Elu was an ancient language? Who told you that Elu was a Dravidian language? Which Vedda told you that Elu was a Vedda language?
Please learn your basics. Elu is NOT an ancient language and it is NOT a spoken language either. Neither Veddas nor Tamils understood Elu. It appeared only after the 9th century AD, very much after Sinhala. Elu is a Sinhala poetic language used ONLY for poems. Sinhala originated from Prakrit and Pali and a little bit of Tamil and some words picked up from the aboriginals. Elu is a poetic language that originated from Sinhala, only after the 9th century AD. There was nothing called Elu before the 9th century AD. If you can find any kind of evidence to prove that Elu existed before Sinhala, please show us. You have to analyze the Elu texts Elu Sendas Lakuna, Elu Bodhi Vamsa, Elu Akaradiya, Elu Hathvanagalu Vansaya, Elu Umanda, Elu Daladavansa Kavya, Elu Silowa, Elu Silo Sathakaya, etc. to see if any Dravidian semi Tamil words are also found in any of these Elu texts. I am 100% sure, neither Veddas nor Tamils can read or understand any of these Elu texts. Even the ordinary Sinhalese cannot read or understand these Elu texts, only the Buddhist priests and some Sinhala language scholars can understand.
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Native Vedda / December 29, 2019
Hela Mama
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Aren’t you barking at the wrong tree?
You should have gone to bed much earlier than now.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / December 28, 2019
Hela is old Sinhalese . This is a mixture of the native semi Tamil Dravidian dialect Elu+ Prakrit.( Pali) Hela or old Sinhalese, just like Elu and the Vedda dialect were all very close to their Tamil mother in structure and pronunciation , compared to modern Sinhalese , that has now been deliberately Sanskritized to prove a point . Sinhala again has nothing to do with a lion or North Indian immigrants but is the corrupt Prakritised version of one of the ancient Tamil word for the island. Chingkallam meaning the red or copper coloured land in Tamil. Eelam or Eezham means land of metal or toddy in Tamil . The ancient Tamil or semi Tamil speaking Dravidian Naga and Yakka tribes were either called Eelavar/Eezhava or Chingkallavar. The Eezhava/Billava population in Kerala in South India are supposed to have arrived from the island and are still closely associated toddy tapping or similar work. The Eezhavas the largest community in Kerala , around 28% . However they will be an outright majority, as many of them have now converted to Islam and Christianity. Eezham and Chingkallam have a meaning in Tamil and are constantly mentioned in ancient Tamil poetry, whereas its Prakratised versions Hela and Sinhala have no meaning . Just gibberish. When the new identity and language started to evolve in the South of the island due to the large scale conversion to Buddhism in these parts and the resulting gradual corruption of the native Tamil dialect with Pali/Prakrit of Buddhism . Tamil Eelam became Hela and Chingkallam became Sinhala . Old Sinhalese was called Hela and the people the ancient Tamil Chingkallavar became the Sinhala. To justify this new name that evolved from the old Tamil name., Mahanama hatched up this Aryan North Indian immigrant lion origin for the converted Tamil Buddhists living in the south of the island.
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Mallaiyuran / January 4, 2020
” about Buddhaghosa who wrote ”
Buddhaghosa is Tamil Pundit from Kanchi, where Manimekhala, who trained the Nuns who wrote the Divuwamsa, got trained. Buddhaghosa, too used commentaries and/or legends to write it, like the nuns. He didn’t find any Sinhala Commentaries or Sinhala Script. Kanchi was the Nalanda of that. When the religious rights shutdown Kanchi, they all went to started Nalanda. Even the Nalanda was being burned 600 years latter, the VC was a Tamil Prince from Pallava Dynasty (possibly a some Varman?). Buddhaghosa gave up his Tamil Hindu name. Anything about Buddhaghosa said by Mahanama was nothing but all lies! Mahanama is just a bloody liar! Period!
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Richmond Peiris / December 27, 2019
Quoted from Mr. Wig’s article: “There was no Sinhalese when Mahāvaṃsa was written in the 5th Century AD. Sinhala came in the 6th or 7th Century AD.”
Mr. Wig, you must be a pretty interesting nutcase!
If you are right,
1. What’s the language that the people of pre-Mahawansa era spoke in Sri Lanka? Tamil? King Dutugamunu who lived in the 2nd century BC spoke Tamil? (not Sinhalese)? What’s this nonsense?
2. Mahawansa was written in Pali but the alphabet was Sinhalese. How did that happen?
3. In Mahawansa, there is a mention about Buddhagosa who wrote Visuddhimagga (Path of Purification: a famous book among the Western scholars today). Buddhagosa mentions that he used Sinhalese commentary books and actually translated many of them to Pali.
4. Pali has no alphabet even today; Magadhi Pali is the language used by The Buddha and by the ‘Hela’ people (in Siv Hela= 4 Sinhala kingdoms) at the Buddha’s time (6th century BC). The Sinhalese had a well developed alphabet and the Buddhist monks used the Sinhalese alphabet when they wrote books in Pali.
5. Buddha has apparently imposed a ‘Vinaya’ rule and prohibited to translate his teachings (preached in Magadhi Pali) to other languages. Therefore, monks were compelled to use Pali when they wrote to preserve Buddha’s teachings, and wrote only commentaries in Sinhalese.
Thank you.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / December 28, 2019
Richmond Peiris, you are the biggest nut case. The first time Sinhala appeared in stone inscriptions is around 6th century AD. Prior to that it was in a development stage with no script. Sinhala script was borrowed from Malayalam, because those Buddhist monks were natives of Kerala before being expelled when Buddhism lost its appeal there. It is accepted by linguists that ancient people in Sri Lanka spoke Tamil or some form of Tamil (Elu is considered proto-Tamil and not proto-Sinhala). It is said that Dutugemunu communicated with Elara directly. As Chola king, Elara could not have known any other language than Tamil. How can Dutugemunu do that if he did not know Tamil. Please think rationally and do not let your racist frenzy cloud your mind. Dravidan languages did not have the letter H and therefore Hela cannot be the original name of the island. Usage of H in words came only after Aryan influence entered the country. Thus it has to be Elu and and the land of the Elu people was called Eelam and not Heladiva as what Sinhala racists are trying to make. Recent discoveries have put to rest all Sinhala propaganda distorting the truth. Did you ever care to think how Veddahs started worshiping Murugan, without Tamil influence as only Tamils in the world worship Murugan. This shows Tamils were present even in the deep south and that there is every possibility that Dutugemunu would have known Tamil.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / December 28, 2019
Dr< Sankarapillai are you aware it is the same with Kannada , with the arrival of Aryan influence many original Tamil words start with H or B in Kannada. Eg. Pal ( Milk ) in Tamil is Halu in Kannada. Tamil Vettai ( Hunt) Bete . Tamil Vellam ( floods) Bella in Kannada. Tamil Vasal or Vayil ( door or entrance) becomes Bagillu in Kannada and Telugu. Tamil Vaa ( come ) becomes Baa in Kannada. Tamil Kal or Kallu stone becomes Gal or Gallu in Kannada. These words sound similar. Old Kannada (hal egannada) seems to be very close to Tamil words. Similarly with the arrival of Prakrit( Pali ) through Buddhism and Aryan influence. Tamil Eelam/Eezham becomes Hela
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Pandi Kutti / December 28, 2019
The so called Chingkalla alphabet and grammer is purely derived from Thamizh . Sidasangarawa is derived from Thamizh Verracholium. Even your Chingkalla historians and Scholars have admitted to this Stop posting nonsense and garbage. Chingkallam with a Portuguese name, to hide your recent South Indian low caste immigrant background.
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Sri Vikram / December 29, 2019
Richmond Peiris,
Historians and linguists/etymologists believe that Prakrit (Indo-Aryan language) was the language of the island when Buddhism arrived around 3rd century BC. The Brahmi inscriptions found in the caves of Sri Lanka during the 3rd century BC were written in Prakrit. Only some learned people (members of the clergy and those close to the kings) are able to write such a language. We are not sure that Prakrit was the spoken language before the 3rd century BC? It could have been a language used only for writing. The North Indians who arrived as traders before the 3rd century BC would have introduced the Indo-Aryan Prakrit to the island but we cannot say for sure that it was the spoken language of the land.
It is true that Naga, Yaksha, Raksha, and Deva were Dravidian tribes who lived in India and Lanka even before the Aryan invasion (refer ancient Indian Hindu, Buddhist & Jain texts such as the Vedas, Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabaratha, Jataka, Bagawath Geetha, etc, etc.). However, nobody knows what language these tribes spoke. May be they spoke the old Tamil, may be Prakrit or the Veddha dialoge. Mahavamsa says in 3rd Century BC, Arahant Mahinda who introduced Buddhism to the island preached the Dhamma to the inhabitants of the island in Deepa Bhaasa (language of the Island). The Mahavamsa did not say Sinhala Bhaasa, or Hela/Elu Basa or Tamil/Damila/Eela Bhaasa, or Prakrit/ Sanskrit Bhaasa. Nobody knows what this Deepa Bhaasa that the Dravidian tribes in Lanka spoke.
For example, the Nagas not only lived in both Sri Lanka and South India but they were also moving back and forth between Sri Lanka and South India. What language did they speak? Prakrit? Tamil? We will never know.
Etymological clues: “The Vedda dialect as probably did the old Sinhala approaches far closer to Tamil than modern Sinhala in its pronunciation”. (Hugh Nevill. p.88, Hugh Nevill Collection of Sinhalese Manuscripts in the British Library).
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Sri Vikram / December 29, 2019
Richmond Peiris,
There is no evidence to prove that the Pali chronicles were written in “Sinhala” script.
The cave writings and stone inscriptions found in both South India and Sri Lanka were written using the same script (Asokan Brahmi) and the language used was either Prakrit or old Tamil. Epigraphists have discovered the same (identical) Indo-Aryan Prakrit inscriptions in South India (brought by the North Indian traders). Thousands of Prakrit stone inscriptions written in Asokan Brahmi script have been discovered in Sri Lanka during the early period, but not a single archaeological/epigraphical evidence has been found within or outside Sri Lanka to prove a Sinhala script or Sinhala language existed.
The Sinhala language started developing very much later and first appeared only in the 8th century CE Sigiri mirror wall writings. The present day Sinhala language is made up of Prakrit, Pali, Tamil, a few words from the early tribes, and a few words from Portuguese, Dutch and English and the present day Sinhala script was borrowed from the Indian Grantha script.
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Sri Vikram / December 29, 2019
Richmond Peiris,
It is being said (even though nothing has been found as historical evidence till today to prove it) that the beginning chapters of the Pali Chronicle was translated into Pali by the scholarly monks of the Mahavihara from the Vamsa text (original source preserved for many centuries) known as “Sihala atthakatha” written in Sihalabhasa. If the Mahavamsa is the history of the Sinhalese, what good does it make to the Sinhalese in translating it from Sihalabhasa into a language that the Sinhalese cannot understand? Now, if we assume that the Mahavihara monks wanted those outside the island also to read the Sinhala-Buddhist history, then what happened to the original Vamsa text written in Sihalabhasa? If they had preserved it for so many centuries, they could have continued to preserve it till today but unfortunately it disappeared after the Mahavamsa was written in Pali. Very unfortunately, the Sinhala nation had to wait till the 19th century for someone to translate it back from Pali to Sinhala for them to read and understand the Mahavamsa. Is that not a crime committed by the Mahaviharic Bikkus to the Sinhala nation of Sihaladipa?
However the truth is something else. There is also a commentary to the Mahavamsa written in Pali by an unknown Buddhist monk (definitely with ulterior motive) in the 13th century AD known as the ‘Tika’ or Vansatthappakasini to explain/interpret the verses in Mahavamsa. It is the ‘Tika’ that talks about a mysterious “Sihala atthakatha” (Vamsa text known as original source written in Sihalabhasa), the main reason for calling the Pali chronicle of the Mahavihara as the chronicle of the Sinhalese.
Similarly, it is being said (not mentioned in any inscriptions) that the Theravada Buddhist scriptures Tripitaka better known as the Pali Cannon was originally written in the Sihalabhasa and kept preserved for many centuries before it was translated by the Mahaviharic Bikkus into Pali. Now the same questions arise.
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latha / December 31, 2019
Sri Wicram
Your type of scholars may be CVW searching to rewrite Sri Lankan history. Sinhala language suddenly appear in 8AD. In the past people spoke a different language & wrote in some other language to read by aliens?. Meantime no trace of anything written in old Tamil until Chola invasion in SL.
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Sri Vikram / December 29, 2019
Richmond Peiris,
Buddhaghosa was a South Indian Bikku from the Telugu Desa. Did he actually write the preface in most of his Pali commentaries where he mentioned the language (Sihalabhasa), the land (Sihaladipa) and the people (Sinhalese) or is it the same as what happened in the Pali Chronicle that during the last several centuries after Buddhaghosa, spurious commentaries would have got added perverting the real intent and meaning of that great Bikku?
The verse “Sīhaladīpam pana ābhatā’ tha vasinā Mahā-Mahindena thapitā Sīhalabhāsāya dīpavāsīnam atthāya” could have been inscribed somewhere in Anuradapura in one of those cave temples where the Buddhaghosa and the Mahavihara monks were residing. What is found today as a commentary on the beginning pages cannot be trusted.
If Buddhaghosa wrote in Pali so that the monks outside the island can also understand, what happened to the original text in Sihalabhasa? If it was preserved for so many centuries until Buddhaghosa came to Anuradapura, they could have easily continued to preserve it for the “Sinhala nation” of Sihaladipa. Did Buddhaghosa destroy the Sinhala version after he translated it to Pali? Now, if Buddhaghosa says that it is written in Sihalabhasa for the benefit of the island-inhabitants, then after translating it into Pali, Buddhaghosa or the Mahaviharic Bikkus has committed a crime by depriving the “Sinhala nation” from reading the Buddhist scriptures in their own language. In a land where all the ancient Buddhist artifacts are being preserved for millenniums by the Monks and the Kings, why such an important thing has not been kept safely?
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Sri Vikram / December 29, 2019
Richmond Peiris,
“Buddha has apparently imposed a ‘Vinaya’ rule and prohibited to translate his teachings (preached in Magadhi Pali) to other languages.”
Where exactly in the Tripitaka (Viniya, Sutta, Abhidhamma) or in Mahavamsa or any other Buddhist texts did you find the above? Please quote the chapter.
Buddha preached in Magadhi (his mother tongue) because he was from Magadha (presently Bihar). Buddha’s teachings were preserved orally by the Sangha for centuries and later transmitted to Sri Lanka during King Asoka’s period (after the 4th Buddhist council). They were written down in Prakrit and Sanskrit and later in Pali (literary language in mainland India).
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Native Vedda / December 27, 2019
Jester without a sense of humour
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“here is the genetic admixture of Sinhalese: 72% Bengali, 15% Tamil, and 12% Gujarati (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0235db156335fc2f06c7040069df79f1.webp
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Don’t you think its time you left our shores?
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“There is no doubt that Sinhalese evolved from some kind of Aryan people.”
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We can see similarities of Aryan self destruction from Mahabarata to Mahawamsa to Herrenvolk of Aryan Germany.
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Read and educate yourself:
Common ancestry of Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils – DNA proof
“West Eurasian haplogroups among the Sinhalese, Sri Lankan Tamils and Vedda population groups with a longer history in the island suggest early migration of women carrying these haplogroups into the country. Our data led us to conclude that contemporary Sri Lankans share very close maternal ancestors and that ethnicity is created by linguistic, religious and cultural differences rather than by genetic differences.”
– Prof. Kamani Tennakoon, University of Colombo.
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https://sldna.blogspot.com/2019/02/common-ancestry-of-sinhalese-and-sri.html?fbclid=IwAR1vl0aGbqS0TLXfqxRUTaee_lNdKNaKKl2oEFRvJiPyUty2NEmEw9V9S8s
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K.Pillai / December 27, 2019
Fiction creeps into chronicles, interpretation of the words of founders of religion, miracles etc.
God-Persons from India have masqueraded as God and have accumulated astronomical wealth. God-persons have been exposed as human frauds and criminals, during the lifetime or after death.
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Lester / December 28, 2019
Uncle Wiggy, in his theory of the Tamil Multiverse, forgot to mention that Sinhala is an Indo-European language. The base of the Indo-European languages is another language, now lost, called the Proto-Indo-European language. Even Greek belongs to this family, that is why you have similar words such as “hela” and “hellas.” In 1780, the scholar William Jones found that Sanskrit and Greek have thousands of words in common, meaning they share a common ancestor. Tamil is not an Indo-European language. The origin of Dravidians is Australia; there is a strong connection between Tamil and the languages spoken by Australian Aboriginees. Magadhi Prakrit was introduced to Sri Lanka by Vijaya. Due to geographic isolation, it evolved into Sinhala Prakrit and finally Sinhala. However, if we go by Wiggy’s theory, some Dravidians in S. Lanka converted to Buddhism, wrote Prakrit in caves, and one day started speaking Sinhala. But the best part is that these Dravidians forgot their 5000-year old Tamil!
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Pandi Kutti / December 28, 2019
Are they still employing Jesters in the British Court? Especially imported Chingkallams? Are you one of these court Jesters? So the Dravidian South Indian looking Chingkallams with proven 70% or more Thamizh DNA are Hela people closely related the ancient Hellenic Greek. Are you high in Ganja?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The so called Hela in Chingkallam is corruption of the ancient Thamizh word for the island Eezham., You get a people called Eezhavas living in Kerala but not Helavas. These people may not have migrated from the island or would have , as legend states but this common name and ancient Thamizh identity , closely associated with toddy tapping and metallurgy , as the Thamizh word Eezham states , proves the ancient common Thamizh identity that the island had with ancient Thamizh Chera Nadu. The island was also called Cheran Theevu ( meaning the land of the Cheras another name for Naga( Nairs) in Thamizh) , Ancient Chera( Naga) was full of Dravidian Tamil speaking Naga tribes so was the island. The word Serendib is a corruption of this ancient Thamizh name for the island Cherantheevu. this became Serendib. Keep on having your wet dreams about ancient Hellenic heroes. Jester the court Jester.
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Lester / December 29, 2019
There is no “Eezham” in Sinhala, nothing even close. I know Tamils have a good imagination, they like to make movies with fair-skinned beauties; ironically, the beauty is hardly a Dravidian but the offspring of some Muslim or Greek or British or other Aryan fornication with the dark-skinned great-grandmothers…. In any case, “hela” refers to the 4 tribes that preceded Vijaya. These tribes were not Hindu or Tamil, they were animist, meaning they worshiped various stones, rocks, fire, etc. Veddahs today are still animist. “Heladiva” is probably a corruption of “Heladeva.” Devas are the gods (spirits) thought to have ruled the island by the Hela people. Hela people are mentioned in Ramayana, they are the Yaksha (Yakku), Naga, Deva, and Raksha (Rakus). These people are also mentioned in Mahavamsa. It is hilarious to see Eelamists try to claim the Hela civilization as their own. Hela civilization is a unique one that is neither Sinhala or Tamil.
“According to the Hela theory of the island’s history, long before the beginning of the lineage of kings recorded in the Mahavamsa, Sri Lanka was populated by the Hela people who built up a great civilization.The land itself was much larger, extending over to Madagascar. Great monarchs such as Taraka and Ravana, who could effectively challenge the military might of the mightiest of Indian empires, ruled the Hela kingdom.” This great civilization came to an end due to toe treachery of “Hela traitors” such as Vibhisana and Kuveni, who fraternized with the Indians, and consequently, Indian influences swept over the kingdom, debasing and corrupting, among other things, the language of the Hela people.”
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Pandi Kuti / December 29, 2019
Jester has got up from his wet dreams. Which ancient Hellenic hero appeared in your wet dream. Jason? Hercules?
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Thambapanni Man / December 30, 2019
Lester,
Most of the mythical/supernatural stories and legends in the Mahavamsa were derived either from the North Indian Buddhist Jataka Tales or from the North Indian Hindu Epics and Jain texts written in Sanskrit. For example, stories with names/terms such as Pandu, Vasudeva , Simhala, Lanka, Yaksha, Naga, Deva, Raksaha, etc.etc. are found/mentioned in the Indian epics/mythology and the Scholars are not sure if they were true.
The scholarly monks of the Mahavihara in Anuradapura who wrote the Pali chronicles must have been very fluent in Sanskrit and very thorough/well versed with the Indian Sanskrit texts (Epics, Puranas and the Jatakas) and must have adopted all these stories (including the names) from them.
The Sri Lankan chronicles Deepavamsa and Mahavamsa have also adopted these (North Indian epics) but with a different twist by including a new (Lion) story. The beginning chapters of the Mahavamsa stories have NO archeological/epigraphic evidence in Sri Lanka and the present day Scholars do not accept any of them as true. Yaksha, Naga, Raksha and Deva tribes living in SL from ancient time is a mystery because there is NO archeological/epigraphic evidence what so ever to prove it. The island was named ‘Lanka’ (influenced by Ramayana), the people were named ‘Sinhala’ (influenced by Mahabaratha), and the four tribes Deva, Naga, Yaksha, Rakshasa is nothing but a copy and paste from the Mahabaratha. Mahanama Thero who authored the Mahavamsa seems to be an expert on copy & paste. Historically it is from the Mahavamsa depiction the Sinhala race originated. Having Naga Place names and Naga people names does not prove that Naga tribes existed in South India/Sri Lanka. There are plenty of Naga names in both North Indian Hindu and Buddhist texts. People around the world always adopt names for self and places from their religious texts.
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Real Revolutionist / December 28, 2019
Mahawamsa, the true manual of history of Sri Lanka is an obstacle for Tamils to mislead the international community/bodies & to fabricate fake history & garner support for their selfish cruel cause.
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Native Vedda / December 28, 2019
Real Revolutionist
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“Mahawamsa, the true manual of history of Sri Lanka is an obstacle for Tamils to mislead the international community/bodies & to fabricate fake history & garner support for their selfish cruel cause.”
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Instead the Mahawamsa myth has already entrenched in the Sinhala/Buddhist mindset, misleading gullible Sinhalese and Buddhists, making them stupid and under developed, suffering from arrested development, for them their history started and ended with Vijaya, Buddha, and Elara, ….
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Grow up, there was life before and after Mahawamsa, Vijaya, Buddha, Ellalan, ….. after SWRD Banda, Mahinda, Gota, …..
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Adrian / December 28, 2019
I would rather believe scholars and historians than a racist Tamil politician.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / December 28, 2019
Yes the only scholars and historians for you Sinhalese are racists and chauvinists and your so called Archeological Department that everyone knows is the handmaiden of state sponsored Sinhalese Buddhist Fascism and propaganda., Even the UN Human rights commission this year questioned the motives and behaviour of the Sri Lankan Archeological , and other government departments like Forestry Etc that were grabbing state and private lands of the Tamils in the north and east under various lies and pretexts for their Sinhalisation projects. The Sri Lankan State with fanfare released private Tamil lands , which then grabbed by the armed forces , Archeological department and Forestry departments for Sinhalisation projects., The recent incident at Neeravadi Pillaiyar temple and the Kinniya Pillaoyar temple are good examples of this . Even the UN knows what you racists are up to with your fake history
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Native Vedda / December 28, 2019
Adrian
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“I would rather believe scholars and historians than a racist Tamil politician.”
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How about thinking man’s general who always posed in front of bookshelf?
What about Mahinda Chintana?
Champika who wrote Sihala Abhiyogaya, Koti Viniwideema, Thrastha Virodi Jathika Salasma, …..
How about Chana Jeyasumana’s rant at the UN?
Do you still believe Kamalika Pieris is a Historian?
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pirabakaran / December 29, 2019
Adrian
Who are your scholars ? Members of Budu bala sena perhaps??
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Rajash / December 28, 2019
How can a lion fxxk woman and produce humans?
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JD / December 28, 2019
RAJASH: Who got shot in Mullai vaikkal. Tigers.
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Rajash / December 31, 2019
JD:you definitely have the four legged’s brain
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Adrian / December 29, 2019
Rajash,
May be he was Narasimha the man-lion avatar of Vishnu who destroyed the evil king Hiranyakashyapu, saved his devotee Prahlad and restores the Truth.
If you were a Christian I would ask, how can a talking snake trick a woman into eating the fruit of a magical tree?
You see, there is both genuine history as well as mythology in the Mahavamsa. The historian will sort the wheat from the chaff but the Tamil racist will always be a Tamil racist.
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Mallaiyuran / December 29, 2019
I never heard Narasiman had any children. It is scientifically established a mule cannot have phonies. If you think Narasiman is said to be a child of woman and lion, then still you are not establishing Wijeya birth. Narasiman is not a human birth or any spices on this earth. He is an avatar of Lord Krishna, from the above world. For us Buddha is a Krishna Avatar. Unless you and Mahanama are saying that you guys tried to create a Buddha Avatar in Wijeya in the Mahavamsa, but it has gone wrong, I don’t see any meaning for your talk. If Mahanama had tried create Buddha Avatar in Wijeya, it makes sense as he was just copying the Hindu legends.
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Native Vedda / December 31, 2019
Adrian
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“May be he was Narasimha the man-lion avatar of Vishnu who destroyed the evil king Hiranyakashyapu, saved his devotee Prahlad and restores the Truth.”
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So Mahanama couldn’t come up with his own myth he had to plagiarise Bhagawat Purana to impress his own ego.
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“The historian will sort the wheat from the chaff but the Tamil racist will always be a Tamil racist.”
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Aren’t you one of them? Being a descendant of Kallathonie convert makes you a Tamil descendant and a denier, although you may vehemently your gene would betray you.
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Give us some examples of wheat and chaff.
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whywhy / December 28, 2019
The history has it that Jews lived scattered all over the Mideast . They even used
Palestinian passports . And today , there’s an Israel on Palestinian soil but where’s
Palestine ? If we want to learn ,then examples are in abundance . The Western
civilisation of which the roots lay in the ancient civilisations of Greece and Rome
highly appreciates the fact that Greek and Roman civilisations were built on
foundations laid in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia . New countries have been
created out of old ones throughout the history . South Sudan is the youngest new
country carved out of Sudan . People of Srilanka have a violent past which has to
be sorted out amicably using any or every respectable avenue available and to the
satisfaction of all communities . For this , all I know is , generosity in giving and
taking as much as possible and not starting another episode of the past .
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Jayamini Perera / December 30, 2019
Wijaya is an evil asshole and a crook who got kicked out of India and landed up in here. You can clearly recognise the descendents of him and his goons today. They are the ones who ruining this country even now. The ones who loves this country, are the descendents of the people who were the original inhabitants (naga, raksha tribes) of this land. The asshole or the assholes who claims that the father of the Sinhalese is wijaya , is a lunatic.
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Sri Vikram / December 30, 2019
Jayamini Perera
Please read the Mahavamsa. It says Vijaya was the founder of the Sinhala race in Sri Lanka. Sinhabahu’s eldest son Vijaya and his followers who were banished from India (Sinhapura) landed in the island Lanka. He used Kuveni to get a foothold in the country and seized power by annihilating most of those aboriginal natives (Similar to what happened to the aboriginals/natives of Australia and North America). Once he had achieved that, he abandoned Kuveni and his two children to marry a princess from the royal family of South India (a Pandu/Pandyan princess). His 700 men (followers) also married women from the land of this princess and from this union sprang the Sinhala race. Kuveni then went back to her clan, only to be put to death for the crime of betraying the country and its people to the foreign invader Vijaya. The Sinhalese people are made up of half North Indian (Paternal) and half South Indian (maternal) and the poor aboriginal Veddhas (the original natives) had to live in the jungle forever.
The Mahavamsa author is a Buddhist monk who very clearly says Vijaya was the founder of the Sinhala race, are you saying that he is a lunatic?
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Rohan / December 31, 2019
Apart from these people, the present day Sinhalese are also made up of immigrants invaders from India , from ancient , medieval to fairly recent. 99% of them are from the Tamil country in South India. Other than the so called original migration from NE India , there is no record of any other migration to the island from any part of India , other than the Tamil country. This is why the present day Sinhalese share a 75% DNA with Indian Tamils
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Thanga / December 31, 2019
It is unfair to dismiss Mahavamsa authored by Mahanama Thero as fiction. That does not mean that the work is ‘history’ in the modern sense of the word. Mahavamsa is a combination of fiction and some significant source of material about the early history of Ceylon.
According to the author, Mahavamsa was composed for the “serene joy and emotion of the pious” reveals the purpose of compiling the chronicle. That is to extol Buddhism, the battle cry of King Dutugemunu was “not for the Kingdom but for the Agama” proves the intention of the author.
Mahavamsa narration of the three visits of Buddha to Lanka through the air is pure fiction. Buddha’s missionary work was confined to North India and not South India. According to the chronicle, his first visit was to Mahiyankana, in the south-east, where Buddha is said to have quelled the heathen Yakshas. His second is said to be to Naga Dipa, in the north, where he quelled two warring factions of Naga Kings. On his third visit, Buddha is said to have gone to Kelaniya and several other places, including Anuradhapura, and “left traces of his footprints plain to see on Sumanakuta”.
There is no evidence whatsoever, not even legends in India or of any Buddhist country to support the claim Buddha visited Lanka.
The Mahavamsa links the story of the landing of Vijaya, the “original myth”, to a series of religious myths regarding the place of Buddhism in Lanka, as ordained by Buddha. According to the chronicle, Vijaya landed on the day Buddha passed into Nibbana (death and enlightenment) in 543 BC. 1/3
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Thanga / December 31, 2019
The landing of Vijaya is a legend and there is no historical existence of Singapura in Bengal/Orissa. His father was born to a Princes and a Lion is equally a fiction. Vijaya was simply the personification of early North Indian settlers who made Ceylon their home.
Mahavamsa records the existence of original clans of Lanka as Yaksha (Yakku), Naga, Deva, and Raksha (Rakus). To this list must be added the Veddas who are still extant. According to Mahavamsa Pulindas (Veddas) are the descendants of the children born to Vijaya and Kuveni.
The Nagas were the dominant group and they were followers of Vedic (Hindu) religion. Until the conversion of Devanampiya Tissa (BC 247-207), the kings who ruled Ceylon including the legendary Vijaya were Hindus. Even after embracing Buddhism, the Naga kings retained the suffix Naga/Tissa to their names like Mahanaga (n) Sri Naga (n) Abhaya Naga (n) etc. This practise continued until the 7th-8th century when Buddhist Nagas took the identity as Sinhalese
This explains why to this day Buddhists worship Hindu gods and prominent Sinhala leaders like Mrs Bandaranaike, Mahinda Rajapaksa. Ranil Wickremesinghe, Maithripala Sirisena regularly visited temples like Thiruppathy to receive blessings. The Tamil – Sinhala New Year is common to both.
Duttu Gemunu (BC 101-77) is easily the hero of Mahavamsa. While Dipavamsa devoted only 10 poems to narrate the story of Duttu Gemunu Mahavamsa blows up his birth and conquest of Anuradhapura in1 11 Chapters.2/3
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Thanga / December 31, 2019
The war between Ellalan (BC 205 – 161) and Duttu Gemunu was not a war between Tamil King and Sinhalese king; it was a war between the Hindu Tamil King and Buddhist Naga King! It was also not a war for Buddhism, but a war to regain the Kingdom his (Duttu Gemunu) forefathers ruled. Mahavamsa clearly says Duttu Gemunu was a Naga prince on both his paternal and maternal sides. His mother was the daughter of the Tissa Naga King who ruled Kalyani (Kelani). He is related to Muttra Sivan, father of Devanampiya Tissa.
In course of time, Hindu Nagas were assimilated into Tamil race and Buddhist Nagas and Tamils given the identity of Sinhalese about the 8th century AD. In fact, the term ‘Sinhale’ appeared only in the 13th Century AD Chulavamsa and NOT in Dipavamsa/Mahavamsa.
If not for the Mahavamsa, the story behind the large stupas in Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka, such s Ruwanwelisaya, Jetavanaramaya, Abhayagiri vihāra and other material would never have been known.
While Mahavamsa omitted to mention the Tamils as the original people of Lanka along with Nagars, Yakshas, Rashes, later it owns up Tamils presence beyond the river Maha Ganga (Mahaweli Oya) through Kavan Tissa who ruled Mahagamam.
King Kavan Tissa tells his son Duttu Gemunu “Let Tamils rule that side of the Maha Ganga [now Mahaweli Ganga] and the districts this side of the Maha Ganga are more than enough for us to rule”. Duttu Gemunu on his march to Anuradhapura defeated 32 Tamil chieftains who ruled Mahiyanhana to all the way to Anuradhapura. 3/3
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / December 31, 2019
Thanga the Naga in the island adopted Tamil as their mother tongue around 3000 years ago. This Is why they had Tamil names common to this era , Thissan Mutta Sivan ( meaning the great Siva in pure Tamil) Kakkai Vanna Thissan ( meaning the king or great man the colour of the crow in Tamil ) or Kaavan Thissan ( the great protector or guardian in Tamil), Both were names or titles given to Duttu Gemunu; father.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_people_(Lanka)
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Adrian / December 31, 2019
Well explained Thanga. Hopefully fake Vedda will read and understand.
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Native Vedda / December 31, 2019
Adrian
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You better take some time off from your mundane run of the mill unimportant job and start reading and listening to our great intellectually honest Historians, Archaeologists, Anthropologists, … such academics as Professors S Pathmanathan,
H L Seneviratne, Sudharshan Seneviratne, Osmund Bopperachi, Gananath Obeyesekere, K Indrapala, ….. Paramu Pushparatnam, you will learn a thing or two.
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A simple question have you ever had the chance to touch Mahavamsa? If you haven’t please visit archive.org Mahawamsa, where you can download a free soft copy of the book. Also visit noolaham.org which provides free access to many english and Tamil books, journals, ….
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These websites provide great services to people who want to learn if you want to access information and knowledge.
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Following racists, bigots, morons, fascists, Kamalika Pierises, HLD Ms, Malinda’s, ….. with their nasty little narrow agenda should make everyone sick then visiting this forum throwing up on readers is sickening, wasting your time on trying to outsmart rest of the well informed liberals in this forum is another stupid activity, …..
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Please listen to Prof Pathmanathan at University of Jaffna:
Professor S Pathmanathan on historiography
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oCg21FqCaA
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Shan / January 2, 2020
Northeast Tamils have a very long history in Sri Lanka.
According to Mahavamsa, 58 kings ruled Sri Lanka from BC 483 to AD 352 and out of these eight were Tamil Kings and seven were Naga Kings.
As Professor Paul. E. Peiris stated in 1917 [Nagadipa and Buddhist remains in Jaffna JRAS Journal No. 70 p12 – 18]
“I suggest that the north of Ceylon was a flourishing settlement before Vijaya was born.”
According to Mahavamsa, 58 kings ruled Ceylon [now Sri Lanka] from BC 483 to AD 352 . It is generally accepted by historians that Mahavamsa contains facts, fables and miracles and written for the benefit and pleasure of the Buddhists. The facts in the Mahavamsa is dissected by finding other corroborating evidence. If historical evidence is to be believed it must be done scientifically. It must be done with the view of establishing the truth by obtaining the required evidence.
Professor Indrapala, who heavily relied on investigations of excavations of ancient sites in Sri Lanka by Professor Deraniyagala and using South Indian archeological excavations, concludes in his book written in 2005 that Sri Lanka had a Dravidian culture before conversion to Buddhism.
In the mid 14th century Moroccan Traveller Ibn Battuta was a guest ofJaffna king Marthanda Singai Ariyan. Portuguese historians Robeiro and Fernando de Queros have written about Tamil Kingdoms in Sri Lanka. Robert Knox who escaped from the Kandy kingdom in the 17th century found that people living in the north of Malvatu Oya spoke Tamil and didn’t understand Sinhalese. Dutch Father Philippus Baldaeus has written about Tamil people Tamil people’s predominance in the northeast. In the middle of the 15th century Admiral Zheng He of China’s Ming dynasty installed a trilingual slab in Southern end of Sri Lanka in which the local Lingua Franca was assumed to be Tamil.
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