The Tamil Civil Society Forum (TCSF) says the Tamil community does not need to make a collective stance on who to vote at the upcoming elections, since the manifestos of the two main candidates has made it clear that they have both placed the Sinhalese at the center of the polls.
TCSF Convener – Bishop of Mannar, Dr. Rayappu Joseph
TCSL Official Spokesman, Elil Rajan in a statement has noted that the proposed policies and manifestos of the two main candidates have made the upcoming polls as being material only to the future well-being of the Sinhalese.
Clarifying their stance with regard to the upcoming Presidential polls, TCSF has pointed out that Tamils suffered greatly under the incumbent President and continues to be abused even presently despite the end of the war, and therefore, the question of Tamil people voting for Rajapaksa does not arise.
However, he has noted that time and again, it has been made clear that regime changes alone would not solve the issues faced by the Tamils since the two main candidates do not seem to even be prepared to discuss a solution that goes beyond the confines of a unitary constitution.
He has pointed out furthermore that both President Rajapaksa and common Opposition candidate Maithripala Sirisena are the same with concern to a political solution and accountability for crimes committed against the Tamils.
The TCSF has noted the following to support their stance:
-Tamil people suffered equally under Westminster style parliamentary form of government: e.g.: implementation of the Sinhala only act in 1956
-Tamils haven’t been accommodated as equal partners in any of Sri Lanka’s constitutional experiments
-It is a minimalist argument to state that the calls for good governance and judicial independence made by the common candidate must be considered basic issues for the Tamils to vote for him because they alone will not be enough.
They have pointed out that although the call to abolish Executive presidency as a stand-alone issue is an important component for a democratic reform, in their opinion the ONLY sustainable path to democratization lies in the creation of a popular discourse that is created by taking a just stand on the national question.
“There are no other alternatives or by-roads to democratization – the Sinhala people and their leaders must realize this,” the statement reads.
Moreover, the TCSF has noted that the common candidate’s pledge to retain the unitary character of the Constitution and not allow international investigations is merely a strategy to win Sinhala Buddhist votes and has stated that its highly indicative of the lack of concern the to even try to appeal to Tamil votes.
“To explicitly call for a vote for either of the main candidates therefore will be tantamount to accepting a unitary constitution and reject an international investigation,” the TCSF has noted adding that Tamils should collectively devise a political program that would fulfill their aspirations and mobilize themselves around a program, which, irrelevant of who comes to power in the South would enable them to press ahead the political program to win their rights.
Dev / December 23, 2014
No wrong ! both candidates have placed THEMSELVES at the center of the polls. Its me me me !
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Ben Hurling / December 24, 2014
Yes Bishop Rayappu.
You see Sri Lanka as two nations. Two countries. Nothing less than “Tamil Ealam” will satisfy your “Tamil grievance”.
Good governance, brotherhood among people & independent judiciary etc. will not cut it for you.
In fact, CC Sirisena should commit Harakiri by promising you Ealam through the backdoor. You may not be happy even then. Who knows!
Cheers!
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Dev / December 24, 2014
You want to replace one evil with another?
The team wanting to “lead” us next include:
Rishard Bathiudeen who threatened a sitting judge in Mannar and attacked a court premises. So much for a law abiding future with respect for the judiciary!
CBK, who is a convicted criminal in the waters edge case for abuse of power.
Champika who has gone on record to defend the BBS and has been anti-muslm and anti-Tamil in his speeches.
The main man, Sirisena who tried to circumvent the law to save is son from an assault case.
OH YES, definitely we need to replace the current evil with this “clean” lot !
Before anyone asks, no I am not a supporter of the current regime. The world is not mutually exclusive. Disagreement with one does NOT mean support of the other. I am simply cautioning this euphoria. Remember, remember 1994……..its twenty years and what happened to that euphoria?
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Ben Hurling / December 24, 2014
Dev,
“Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best”
It is also the art of compromise.
Everyone has misgivings about a lot of things and people. I certainly share your concerns. However, this is not the moment for my concerns. It is bigger than that.
If we get stuck with Rajapassa on 9th of January, we don’t even stand a chance of change or progress. Even marginally.
Cheers!
PS: I am not euphoric. But, I am relieved we can now take realistic shot at sending the despotic family home. Better yet to jail.
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
Greetings Madakalapuwa Benja Hurting,
I like most diaspora would put all my money to make people cannibals!
Like a toreros (bullfighter) we can face the half man/half animal satakays.
Were_lion, Were_tiger Were_buffalo is often a dangerous sorcerer; it’s the hereditary curse or a vindictive ghost.
I DEMAND A BETTER FUTURE
Please don’t tear this world asunder
Please take back-This fear we’re under
◕◕◕From a picture book island to 66 years of
◕◕`Sihala Buddhist Stupid Scum Rule`
◕◕◕◕Can someone convincingly enlighten us as to why anyone should endorse the continuation of Sihala Buddhist only governance please?? ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
`NO COMMENT`INSCRIBE“NO CONFIDENCE` ON BALLOT PAPER！ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
Silencio! is very Buddhist.
Silence is the virtue of fools.
What is truth? Emptiness.
Satakaya Hato! Sivuru Hato!
Burka Hato! Halal Bacho !
Mara Maitri Modi Mooth Maro QQQQQQ ◕◕◕
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Native Vedda / December 24, 2014
Ben Hurling
“Good governance, brotherhood among people & independent judiciary etc. will not cut it for you.”
I admire your misplaced trust in your tried and failed state and its rulers.
Only a recognition of diversity can deliver unity and all the liberal ideals you talk about which you wish your people must demand and enjoy.
Otherwise you are chasing a mirage.
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Ben Hurling / December 24, 2014
Native,
Well, “Rome wasn’t built in a day”.
Despite being a clergyman, Bishop Rayappu seems to believe so.
Cheers!
PS: Bishop Rayappu should seriously consider enrolling for global Mr. Cry Baby Challenge. He can stake a formidable claim to that title.
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Native Vedda / December 25, 2014
Ben Hurling
“Bishop Rayappu should seriously consider enrolling for global Mr. Cry Baby Challenge.”
MR is the most suitable candidate for Cry Baby Challenge as you are very well aware he knocked the doors of UNHRC complaining about the then government.
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Ponkoh Sivakumaran / December 24, 2014
There is little doubt that there are two nations, possibly three nations, in Sri Lanka. The Sinhalese supremacist attitudes have coloured the attitudes of both candidates. None of them seeks any accommodation with the Tamils and want to outdo each other in taking a supremacist stance. Racism is the refuge of both candidates, as it has been with all Sinhala politicians. They have said nothing about a vision for the country or indicated how the two races can live together. They would be committing political suicide if they were to do this. So, the only strategy both adopt is to hurl slurs at each other as to corruption, without realising that both are equally corrupt, as Sirisena’s spinor, CBK, was the Bandit Queen who rooked the people of their wealth in the past, Rajapakse only repeating that feat.
That is why the Tamil people are in a difficulty as to how to decide between the two racist crooks. It is a genuine difficulty. Sirisena has the JHU with him which will never allow Tamils any rights. Rajapakse is the man who has killed the most Tamil civilians and is the man who kept the army in the North. Sirisena was in MR’s cabinet when both events took place and has responsibility for them. There is a dilemma for the Tamils as to who they should choose.
But, it is not a solution to ask Tamils not to vote. That will rob the rest of the country of a possible change in the government if it desires such a change. So, it would be sensible to ask the Tamils to vote according to their choice.
The Tamils must seek their own salvation, knowing that the Sinhalese will never give them their basic rights It has been proven from 1948. The delusion should not be continued. Tamils should seek their future by themselves through lawful means. They must carefully plan on how this could be done. The fact that there is an influential diaspora and that the young Tamils in TamilNadu and the rest of the world are on there side gives them great strength in their struggle towards their legitimate claims for autonomy.
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Ben Hurling / December 25, 2014
Ponkoh Sivakumaran,
“There is little doubt that there are two nations, possibly three nations, in Sri Lanka”
If so, how many nations are there in India? Any thoughts.
“The Tamils must seek their own salvation, knowing that the Sinhalese will never give them their basic rights”
Do basic rights include a Tamil only Ealam that covers 2/3 of Sri Lanka’s coastline? For 12% of its’ population. Who live scattered all over the Island. Mostly among Sinhalsese in the Western Province.
Do you hope to reach salvation by piggybacking on international investigations?
I will be right behind you.
Cheers!
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Native Vedda / December 25, 2014
Ben Hurling
“Do basic rights include a Tamil only Ealam that covers 2/3 of Sri Lanka’s coastline? For 12% of its’ population.”
If we go by your logic, are you prepared concede 3/25 of the island’s coastline to the Tamils?
Do you agree that it is reasonable for 75% of the population to enjoy 100% of state power and fill 100% armed forces?
Why does governments always unable to find capable people from ethnic minorities to run ministry of defense, finance and chose the prime minister from majority community?
Why does the constitution have special clause assuring the protection of Sangha?
Why does the soldier/policeman who stops a Tamil or Muslim question them in Sinhala?
Why do the majority resort to riots when they are bored?
Here is a link to Central Bank website which provides detail of Principal Officers (as at 11thNovember 2014)
http://www.cbsl.gov.lk/htm/english/03_about/a_5_4.html
Can you spot Tamil/Muslim from the long list?
“Who live scattered all over the Island. Mostly among Sinhalsese in the Western Province.”
Let them have their Tamil Eelam and kick them out of Western Province so that they can have their own Central Bank and Tamil speaking Governors, hope that will satisfy your criteria.
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Ponkoh Sivakumaran / December 25, 2014
Thank you, Native Veddah. You are a delight.
To answer Ben Hurley, there are many nations in India. They have been accommodated to the extent possible through a federal system. That is why you have TamilNadu, Karnatiaka,Bengal etc which are based on linguistic units. The forging of Indian nationalism has an inclusivity which is lacking in Sri Lanka where the Sinhala-Buddhist claims exclusivity on the basis of a myth based on bestiality and patricide. If they cannot get out of that bloodthirsty mentality, they should let the others live in peace in their own homelands. That is sensible.
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
PS,
Both Hindia and China have around 42 ethinicities.
Within 100 years China has changed all those languages to Putonghua (Std Chinese) The ancient `hun chinese` believed only they were humans and the rest were in fact animals werewolf, weretiger so they let the others quarrel and kill themselves.
It takes decades of travel within both countries to appreciate their cultures and traditions.
Here is a short cut to chinese culture as told by media- click on tourism and its spellbinding.There is instant CCTV live news of the world in english to find out their views on any event. Good luck
http://english.cntv.cn/travel/heritage/
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Native Vedda / December 25, 2014
Ponkoh Sivakumaran
Now I am ready to facilitate a settlement between Sinhala/Buddhists and Tamil Saivaite regarding my ancestral land, resources and coastline.
This is what Ben is offering 12% of land and coastline. Ravi Perera the Sinhala speaking Demela insists on 8% of everything.
What sort of % is acceptable to Tamil/Saivaite?
Now look, Ben, Romesh and Ravi Perera do not dispute Tamil’s right to their land in principle, but the % which Tamil demand (1/3 and 2/3)and the size of land and length of coastline Ben, Romesh and Ravi are willing to concede.
Lets see whether we can come to an amicable settlement.
Remember, the land and coastline are given to these two stupid people on lease and the right to ownership remains with my people.
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
“Lets see whether we can come to an amicable settlement.”
When most billionaire live in their yachts, nations are building on sea far away creating islands and singapore is a case which is old. There is no carbon foot print and funding is better.
Why don’t they take what is on the table- less is more.
They are wasting time on revenge because it will take its course naturally.
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Ben Hurling / December 25, 2014
Native,
Most things you mention in your list above are legitimate grievances faced by Sri Lankan Tamils. No doubt.
Change and progress means, we as a country look into these grave problems with dignity, empathy, an open mind & good faith.
It will not happen tmrw. We are on a winding path. In the wilderness. Going uphill. It is going to take effort. There will be setbacks. But, we will get there.
What is not going to get us there is Bishop Rayappu’s “International Investigation”. Artificially imposed from outside. By people of dubious backgrounds. With ulterior motives.
Cheers!
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
“I will be right behind you.”
Greetings Madakalapuwa Benja Hurting,
you are afraid of your own shadow- grease yakka- `Gooo`ta `Boo`ta
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Ravi Perera / December 25, 2014
“Sirisena has the JHU with him which will never allow Tamils any rights
Is asking for 1/3 of the country (Separate or federal)for 8% of the people equal rights?
The day you Tamils realize what you could achieve reasonably I think even proper devolution is possible. As long as you start laying claims to territory (East) that you have never ruled (and of course will never rule) your reasonable rights also will continue to be blocked.
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Native Vedda / December 25, 2014
Ravi Perera
Sinhala speaking Demela
“Is asking for 1/3 of the country (Separate or federal)for 8% of the people equal rights?”
Alright alright you have raised a logical point, very reasonable.
Are you willing to concede 8% of land, coastline, natural resources, harbours, airports, ……. to whoever is this imaginary 8%?
By the way if you find this imaginary 8% population is in fact 25% then as an honourable Sinhala speaking Demela would you be please part with 25% of everything excluding your stupidity?
Your ancestral homeland is in Thamil Nadu why don’t you claim your share of everything from Hindians?
Why does a descendant of relatively recent kallthoni arrival from South India trying/portraying himself/herself as best as he/she can to be more Sinhala/Buddhists than the original Sinhala/Buddhists? Now I am talking about you.
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Ben Hurling / December 26, 2014
Native Vedda is a student of mediation at the School of Solheim.
After graduation he should consider joining Sri Lanka’s defunct Supreme Court.
Cheers!
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Ben Hurling
“Native Vedda is a student of mediation at the School of Solheim.”
The Solheim School of Mediation which successfully terminated VP and his LTTE, made PLO defunct after stopping the portent first Intifada, and there are other incidents in which they have proved to be more lethal than any weapon known to human race.
Your obsession with absurd arguments so often repeated coded in 8%, 12%, 25% …. 100% forced me to take up your challenge. Its not me who would divide the land along ethnic/linguistic lines it will be your stupid arguments that unintentionally/inadvertently/stupidly accepts ratios and percentages and open room for negotiation.
You and your fellow Sinhala/Buddhists do not and will not accept a position which is not about percentages its all about recognizing other’s identity, habitat, livelihood, political representation, security, culture, heritage, well being ……
You have a serious problem which cannot be dealt with your imaginary percentages but can only be cured by accepting others democratic rights over ownership of all resiources and reality.
What I have observed over the years is that you are a firm believer in Sinhala/Buddhist one Aryan nation and the other inferior people do not have the right to demand their own rights but should take what is given to them by the benevolent superior Sinhala/Buddhists run state, its parliament, and the rulers.
You haven’t learnt anything from the past and you will never learn anything in the future. You are no different to Champika, Weerawansa, Nalin, MR … although you have skilfully covered yourself with liberal tag.
I am disappointed with your age old stupid arguments based on stupid percentages.
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Ben Hurling / December 29, 2014
Native,
The badge “Undercover Racist” awarded by you, will be worn with much pride. Thanks!
Here is a fundamental difference between you and me. Though a Sinhalese Buddhist, I do not look at Tamils, Muslims, burghers, Malays or Natives etc. as “THE OTHERS”. You do. Then call me racist.
I have no problem with any Sri Lankan’s identity, habitat, livelihood, political representation, security, culture, heritage, wellbeing etc. Coz’ these are my own interests as a Sri Lankan too.
We are One! Obama put it best, when he said “we rise and fall together”.
Cheers!
PS: I want fellow Tamil Sri Lankans to lay claim to 100% of this country as theirs. Not just 12%. And get out of their bottomless Ealam pit, bunker mentality. You included.
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Native Vedda / December 30, 2014
Ben Hurling
“I want fellow Tamil Sri Lankans to lay claim to 100% of this country as theirs. Not just 12%. And get out of their bottomless Ealam pit, bunker mentality. You included.”
I am not going to repeat what I said earlier and over the years. Here is a story which will impress you for its underlying message:
Excerpts:
The New York Times
By ELLEN BARRYDEC. 28, 2014
Postwar Sri Lanka’s Awkward Peace
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Siva Padmanathan, 44, who offers auto-rickshaw rides from the station, said his conversations with southern customers were strange ones, even when they managed to find a common language.
“They ask me, ‘Now are things good here?’ And I tell them no,” he said. “They look at us as if we are exhibits in a museum. They think we are funny people. They think they won and we lost. Though they don’t say it directly.”
But little of that came across to Mr. Kavinda, the Sinhalese passenger, who returned south again on the Yal Devi, thoroughly elated by his tour of the north. He said he wished that the Tamils he met had spoken better Sinhala, since, as he said, “Sri Lanka is a Sinhalese country.” But he was sure they were glad to see him.
“The war is over, so they like to see Sinhalese,” he said. “When we went back to Jaffna, they were smiling, so I think they like Sinhalese.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/29/world/postwar-sri-lankas-awkward-peace.html?_r=2
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Ravi / December 28, 2014
Regarding Eastern province
The arrival of the Portuguese in the 16th century and the fall of Jaffna Kingdom led to turbulence in the Northern and Eastern districts of Ceylon. The only kingdom that existed in Sri Lanka (both Kotte and Jaffna kingdoms fell into the hands of the Portuguese) was the Kandyan kingdom and many of the old Tamil Hindu principalities sought protection from the Kandyan kings. The king of Kandy invited the Dutch to fight the Portuguese. The Dutch captured some parts of the Eastern and Northern Province (including Trincomalee and Batticaloa) from the Portuguese and handed it over to the king of Kandy. (That was the period when Robert Knox landed in Trincomalee and was taken as a prisoner to Kandy). But the Kandyan rule does not deny the Tamil presence in those areas. Some parts of the Eastern and Northern Province coming under the Kandyan Kingdom made no difference to the Tamil position in regard to the inhabitancy. The Tamils would have had and yet have no objection what so ever to the benevolent and accommodating rule of the kandyan kings whether they were from the Kalinga or Nayakkar dynasty, and see no inconsistency in the Tamil claim to those areas even under the Kandyan rule.
The Tamils were a clear cut majority in that region until post-independent governments colonized Sinhalese in the region. Even though most of the Eastern Province came under the umbrella of the Kandyan Kingdom, the census of Ceylon conducted in 1881 indicates that the two Tamil provinces (North & East) were inhabited almost exclusively by Tamils in the late nineteenth century (Census of Ceylon, 1881). The Sinhalese population constituted only 1.8% of the total population of the two Tamil provinces in 1881; Sinhalese accounted for only 0.51% of the total population of the Northern Province, and 4.2% of the Eastern Province. Even in the census of 1920 only 4 percent of the population of the Eastern Province was Sinhalese. It is only in the past fifty years that there has been a substantial influx of Sinhalese settlements through state intervention.
Nobody has ever come across a Sinhala person or family that claimed a Northern or Eastern Province habitancy or origin. If you speak to the Sinhalese living in those areas today, each one of them will say that their father, grandfather or great grandfather is from the South (settled in North & East by the government after independence) where as there are any number of Tamils who hail from North and East and proudly proclaim their habitancy. Sinhalese Buddhist nationalism endeavors to suppress the historical evidence, but facts are stubborn. The Tamil Hindu historical claims to the East will not be forfeited regardless of the attempts by the Sinhala governments to transform the ethnic character of that land.
In 1939, one of the governors of the country, Sir Andrew Caldicott reflected the views of many of his predecessors when he said that all ‘fissures radiate from the vexed question of minority representation.’ When the question of Sri Lanka (then Ceylon) was before the British House of Commons, the Conservative M P for Hornsey referring to the Ceylon Tamils made the following observation:
‘Ceylon . . . . is not a single unit. There are two races, Sinhalese and Tamils. The Tamils differ from the Sinhalese in race, religion and to a large extent in background. Where there is a racial minority in a country the danger is, it may become a permanent political minority’ (Hansard November 22, 1947).
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Anpu / December 29, 2014
Thanks Ravi.
http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2014/10/taking-tamil-sovereignty-through-sri_19.html
The True History
The metamorphosis of the Sinhalese language from Hela, Tamil. Sanskrit, Pail and Malayalam began in the 14th century in the territory of Kingdom of Kotte when the entire country was under the rule of Kingdom of Jaffna. It was not out of design a new language was created but by the natural process effected by the peculiar melting pot of ethnic composition of Kotte lasting over hundred years. It was a centre of spice trade with foreign countries where there was a preponderance of Malayalees, Arabs, Tamils and many other tribes and races giving raise to the new language.
The new language that evolved over a hundred year period between 13th and 14th centuries taking the script that was used to write all languages which has now become the Sinhalese script. This spread to parts of Kandyan kingdom known as Kantha Uda Pasratta in the fifteenth century. In the 14th century works were written in both Hela and Sinhalese. Subsequently Hela declines and dies.
In the rest of country including the Southern Province, Tamil was the dominant and official language. The Sinhalese language did not exist in Anuradhapura or Polanaruwa and there was no Sinhala Buddhism in either Anuradhapura or Polanaruwa. Tamil was the dominant developed vernacular language throughout Sri Lanka during this period, though it was written in the script which is now called Sinhalese script as well as other scripts.
No king of Sri Lanka can be called a Sinhalese king. They all spoke Tamil and were all crowned as kings according Hindu traditions and followed the Hindu religion . Parakramabhahu VI (1412-1467) would not have named his daughter Ulakudayadevi, a pure Tamil version of the name, keeping away the Sanskritised version Lokamahadevi. All Prakramabahus were aligned to the continuing Pandyan lineage of the Sri Lankan sovereignty.
There was neither Sinhala race nor Sinhala language during Dutthagamini’s period (161-137BC). Duttugamini is considered to be the hero of the Sinhala race because he defeated the Chola king Ellalan who ruled Anuradapura. Duttugamini’s father’s name was Kakka Vanna Theesan and chronicles add, ‘he so got the name as he was of the colour of the crow’, which was twisted as Kavantissa by falsifiers to hide his Tamil origins. Prabakaran was another Duttugamini fighting the Indian invasion. When did the Sinhalese ever fight the Indians? Duttugamini never fought the Sri Lankan Tamils.
The dominant language among the aboriginal people was Hela. There were many other dialects among aboriginal people. Sanskrit and Pali were unspoken scholarly languages. There was no Sinhala race without Sinhala language. So the story of the 2500 year history of Sinhala race and Sinhala Buddhist civilization is a superficial projection extending the 600 year history of the Sinhala language and race into antiquity appropriating all achievements of Tamil civilization as Sinhalese civilization. But the 600 year history of Sinhala race begins under the rule of the Kingdom of Jaffna that extended to another 200 years followed by 400 years of colonial rule before the new metamorphosis Sinhala Buddhist race finally grabbed power.in 1948 and lifted its ugly head.
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Ravi / December 29, 2014
Anpu,
Regarding King Parakrambahu the great of Sri Lanka
King Vijaya Bahu married a princess from Kalinga Royal Family as his second Mahesi (because his Tamil queen Thilokasundari did not have children), and from the Kalinga princess he had a son named Vikrama Bahu and a daughter named Ratnavali. Vijaya Bahu’s sister, Mitta, was given in marriage to a (Tamil) Pandya Prince, who had three sons. The eldest of whom named Manabharana, who became the husband of King Vijaya Bahu’s daughter Ratnavali. Their son was Parakrama Bahu I (1140-1173 AD), Grandson of Vijaya Bahu I, Prince of Royal Blood, Pandyan descent, son of Manabharana and Vijaya Bahu’s sister, Mitta whose husband was a Tamil prince. Parakramabahu I thus coming of Tamil lineage, easily ingratiated himself to the Tamils of Jaffna. Sri Vallabha, the uncle of Parakramabahu, exercised authority in Jaffna in the name of the king.
King Parakrambahu’s father was a Tamil prince Manabharana, his Grandfather was a Tamil King of Pandiyan Kingdom, his mother was a Kalinga princess Ratnavali, his wife was a Tamil named Ulaka Maha Devi alias Leelavathi, he didn`t have a son and he adopted a Tamil named Senpaka Perumal (Sappumal Kuamara) as his Son. His Chief Minister was a Tamil named Vira Alakeshwaran. He puts up a stone inscription in front of his palace in Tamil, then why on earth are you calling him as a Sinhala King?
What is the big connection between the Sinhalese and the King Parakramabahu? Tamils have more connection to Parakramabahu than the Sinhalese, why should anyone call him as a Sinhala King? He himself has never ever considered him a Sinhala, even the Mahavamsa does not call him a Sinhala.
The pillar of stone inscription in Tamil is at the entrance that leads to the Palace of King Parakramabahu the great.
King Parakrambahu the great built a statue to honor the Tamil sage Agaththiyar who brought the Tamil language to the earth, to commemorate his Tamil roots, but the foolish Sinhalese are calling the sage Agathiyar`s statue as Parakrmabahu`s statue.
King Parakramabahu was the patron of numerous Hindu Temples including the Jaffna Nallur Murukan Temple and Rameswaram Sivan Temple, and his Tamil inscriptions are still in Rameswaram Temple. The Tamil Saivites of Jaffna are still invoking his name in the Nallur Temple before the temple procession of Lord Murukan.
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Anpu / December 29, 2014
I am told supporting references are given in http://www.sangam.org/BOOKS/Book-Arudpragasam/Bibliography.htm
http://www.sangam.org/BOOKS/Book-Arudpragasam/Contents.html
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Ravi Perera / December 29, 2014
Anpu,
Hina hina hina wenna hinna….
Your True history obviously has been quoted from a person who unsuccessfully (Probably still trying) tried the home land theory.
“The new language that evolved over a hundred year period between 13th and 14th centuries “
You are using the word evolved very correctly. Anpu it is not just the 13th or the 14th century but through out the history the Sinhalese language has been developing. It is hela languages with influence from Indian languages that has evolved into today’s Sinhalese. W ether you call it Hela or Sinhalese it is the same people at a different stage of the evolution process. In another 2500 yrs the present day Sinhalese will be known as some other name.
I don’t know about the Tamil race but most races evolve over time.
You say Tamil was the dominate language in the south , Anuradhapura and polonnaruwa and there ere no Sinhala kings. This is absolutely hilarious….
you seem to be endorsing the views of some Tamils who say that Duttugemnu was a Tamil.
If the Tamils were the dominant in South and the rest of the country how do you think that the Tamil population dwindled and a new race called Sinhala sprang up from no where to rob the tamil country. Did the new race start breeding so rapidly and also sinhalised the then Tamil population
Tamil Nadu is twice Sri Lankas size in terms of land but it population (70 million) is about 4.67 tmes that of the sinhalas in Sri Lanka. This is ample evidence that Tamils are better at breeding than Sinhalese. Tamil culture is very strong compared to Sinhala and other south asian races.
The only way Tamils could become sinhalised (as is happening now with the plantation Tamils) is if the Tamils live among a very large Sinhala population.
Your argument that the Tamils were dominant in the south etc does not sound logical isn’t it?
Tamil population in Sri Lanka is very similar to different European races (predominant in one country) living in the adjoining or neighbouring countries.
“No king of Sri Lanka can be called a Sinhalese king. They all spoke Tamil and were all crowned as kings according Hindu traditions and followed the Hindu religion .”
Hindunism being an older religion it is highly likely the original tribes (Hela) in Sri Lanka would have been Hindus. Besides there were certain times in the history where we came under lot of South Indian influence.(Parakramabahu period is reported to be the period with the biggest south Indian influence). Hence Parakramabahu naming his daughter some tamil name would be no no different to Sinhala people having taken protugees and English names and adopted the life styles of these colonial rulers. You could see this process reversing out now.
You call Duttugemunus father Kakka Vanna Theesan. This is no different to us Sinhalese calling Great Britain maha brithanya in Sinhala.
King duttugemnu and his father would have been more closer to one of the hela tribes that anything else.
As prabhakaran being another Duttugemnu.
He is a shameless coward who did not even take his cyanide pill after instruction his cadres to do so. He surrendered to the army like a rat.
As for Sinhalese never having fought Indians, it is my fervent hope that it would remain so. Our relationship with India got soured due to eelam issue.
So it seems like it is not just the North and East, the entire Sri Lanka is Tamil homeland.
Since you have been defeated at war, I suppose thinking about this garbage must be giving you some sort of satisfaction.
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Ravi / December 30, 2014
Ravi Perera
Who are these so called ‘Hela’ tribes? Are you referring to Yaksha, Naga, Deva?
If you read all the ancient Indian (Hindu, Buddhist & Jain) texts such as the Vedas, Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabaratha, Jataka, Bagawath Geetha, etc, etc, you will find that in every text (both North and South Indian) the tribes Yaksha, Naga, Deva and many more are mentioned not as Sri Lankans but as Indians. In Tamil Nadu you will find even place names such as Nagakovil, Nagapatinam, etc. How did the Indian Yaksha, Naga, Deva get into the Mahavamsa? The Mahavamsa author has done a cut-and-paste job. He has taken the Indian Yaksha, Naga, Deva tribes and converted them into native Sri Lankans. The only tribe original to Sri Lanka is the Veddas. The Sinhalese are nothing but Indians and mostly South Indians.
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Ravi Perera / December 29, 2014
From your First paragraph, it seems like you also agree that the present day eastern province was part of the Kandyan Kingdom. At no point in history was Eastern province part of Jaffna Kingdom. Your argument being that since there was tamil presence in the kandyan kingdom those areas should be annexed with the new Tamil territory.
I am compelled to write a few things that I have written before just to reply to some of the points you have raised.
your argument that due to Tamil presence in the East (during the Kandyan kingdom) makes it reasonable for you to ask those tamil areas of east to be annexed to the present day northern province does not hold water due to a number of reasons.
1.The Tamil areas of the east was and is restricted to a stretch of 10 miles along the coast.
The Sinhala settlements on the other hand though comparatively few were scattered over extensive areas of the interior, covering the entirety of the admistrative divisions of Bintenna,Udapalatha,Yati palatha and meda plaltha of wewgam pattu and panama pattuin. In the northern part of the the batticalo and Trincomalee districs were mostly uninhabited /scattered Sinhala settlement.
The British when they created the provinces annexed the relatively thickly populated (Tamil +Muslim)coastal belt of the Kandyan Kingdom with the sparsely populated Sinhalese villages to create this illusion.
Remember initially there were 5 provinces and the present day Polonnaruwa district was part of the Eastern province. Due to the significant presence of the Sinhala people in polonnaruwa I would assume that the sinhala people would have been an out right majority in the east. If the 5 provinces were kept as it was without any changes later on would you have claimed the present day Eastern province as part of your homeland.
I would like to know your answer on this ?
2.If at all you could argue that you could ask for this narrow stretch of 10 miles to be annexed to the North. Even this is not feasible.
The narrow stretch of 10 miles from the coast is not a contiguous Tamil only area. There are villages where Muslims are a majority.
Muslims will not agree to any of their villages being linked to the North.
Tamils can not bring the Muslims under the Tamil umbrella (Due to the fact Muslims speak Tamil) since the Muslims are a distinct ethnic group in Sri Lanka with a clear leadership.
You mention about Sir Andrew Caldicott reflecting the views of many of his predecessors that Sri Lanka was two nations. I think the piece of evidence the eelam supported give is from one clegorman. According to him Tamil country extended all the way upto River Udalawalawwe. If it is true King Duttugemnu is also a tamil (As belived by some tamils).
In todays political context tell me one single country that supports the two nation theory or even an NGO that supports this idea. None.
You can quote from certain governors to suite your argument but facts are stubborn.
As to your claim on the sinhala population numbers increasing in the present day East read what I have written earlier well.
“The Tamil Hindu historical claims to the East will not be forfeited regardless of the attempts by the Sinhala governments to transform the ethnic character of that land. “
The Sinhalese claim to the east will never be forfeited regardless of the attempts by Tamil Eelam supporters. Not only East even Vanni will be vanished soon (Which I am ready to grant as your territory)
You have failed to defeat us militarily. Your only hope is to argue internationally and win it.
Would like to see an answer from you how you are going to argue the case internationally, if that answer is any different to what you have already written
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Ravi / December 29, 2014
Ravi Perera,
“From your First paragraph, it seems like you also agree that the present day eastern province was part of the Kandyan Kingdom.”
I have also said that it was after the fall of the Jaffna Kingdom. The Tamil speaking Eastern province was also a part of Jaffna Kingdom.
“Your argument being that since there was tamil presence in the kandyan kingdom those areas should be annexed with the new Tamil territory.”
Not just Tamil presence, it was Tamil areas that the Dutch captured from the Portuguese and handed over to the Kandyan Kingdom (the Dutch were brought to fight the Portuguese).
“The Tamil areas of the east was and is restricted to a stretch of 10 miles along the coast. The Sinhala settlements on the other hand though comparatively few were scattered over extensive areas of the interior.”
The census of Ceylon conducted in 1881 and then in 1920 do not support your claim.
“Polonnaruwa district was part of the Eastern province”
Polonnaruwa was not considered a part of the Eastern province but however there is evidence to prove that not only Anuradapura but even Polonnaruwa was inhabited by the Tamils.
Until the 10th century AD, the people in the island irrespective of their racial background were scattered all over the island with the Tamil settlements (Demel-gam-bim) more towards Rajarata (North of Anuradapura and close to Polonnaruva).
The capital of Polonnaruwa was built by Rajendra Chola the son of Rajaraja Chola in the 10th century AD when he shifted the kingdom from Anuradapura to Polonnaruwa.
“I think the piece of evidence the eelam supported give is from one clegorman.”
Cleghorn was just one of the many who mentioned about two separate people in Sri Lanka.
There are many others such as Jacob Burnand, a Swiss soldier in the service of the Dutch and later the English, was the governor of Batticaloa between 1784 and 1794. He said, from time immemorial Sinhalese and Tamils had divided the rule of the island between the two of them.
Another example is Governor Rjklof Van Goen’s account dated 1675. Referring to Batticaloa he made the following comment:
‘And since all the inhabitants of Batticalo (both in customs, religion, origin and other characteristics) together with those of Jaffnapatnam, Cotjaar and on Westward right over to Calpentyn and the Northern portion of the Mangul Corle inclusive, have been from the remotest times and are still now Malabaars, divided into their tribes, and very unwillingly mix with the Cingalese, Weddas or others outside their tribes.
One last example of the many: The Chief Justice in the British Government, Sir Alexander Johnston wrote on 01.07.1827 to the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland as follows:
‘I think it may safely be concluded both from them and all the different histories which I have in my possession, that the race of people who inhabited the whole of the Northern and Eastern Provinces of the Island of Ceylon, at the period of their greatest agricultural prosperity spoke the same language, used the same written character, and had the same origin, religion, castes, laws and manners, as the race of people who at the same period inhabited the southern peninsula of India.’
I can provide you many more examples if you insist.
“If it is true King Duttugemnu is also a tamil”
None of the Pali chronicles or epigraphy (inscriptions) says Duttugemnu was a Sinhala King (Buddhist of course but not Sinhala). Even he himself has never said he was a Sinhala. Neither did he say he was a Tamil.
“In todays political context tell me one single country that supports the two nation theory or even an NGO that supports this idea.”
Sri Lanka was two nations until the British united it into one.
The East Bengal or East Pakistan was not known as Bangladesh, a separate nation or even a nationality by anybody in this world until India intervened and made them a country. No state (country) on this planet has designated South Sudanese as a nation until UN intervened and made them a separate country. The same story continues with several others who have become a nation. All nations (separate countries) that have come into being in recent years following the United Nations intervention and referendums such as ‘Kosovo’, ‘East Timor’, ‘Montenegro’ and so on were NEVER recognized by any state/country or international organization in this world as a separate nation or nationality until they were established as separate countries.
The North & East of Sri Lanka was known to the Tamils as ‘Tamil Eelam’ (Tamil part of Sri Lanka, Eelam is another word for Sri Lanka). The North & East of Sri Lanka (Tamil Eelam) has all the necessary criteria to become a separate nation/country (Tamil Kingdom/homeland was grabbed by the Portuguese and later given to the Sinhalese on a platter by the British).
Right from independence when we the Tamil countrymen of Sri Lanka asked you peacefully to let us live in peace and dignity, without the interference of Sinhala Buddhist hegemony, in our traditional habitat to protect our Tamil identity and culture, your inherent Sinhala racism didn’t allow to accommodate the Tamil’s reasonable request, you attacked the unarmed non-violent Tamil protesters. At the end our youth had no choice but to take up arms. If the Sinhalese think that the Tamil freedom struggle ended at Nandikaddal, they are worse than the worst fools in this world. Just like the Palestine-Jew conflict continues with the Western World supporting the Jews, the Sinhala-Tamil conflict will also continue with the World supporting the Tamils (it already began) until they achieve freedom. To do so, the World Tamils are also well organized and established and progressing well to take the struggle to the next level by lobbying/influencing the political leaders of the Western world. Today, unfortunately you have to deal with Uncle Sam and the powerful west in order to solve this once internal issue.
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Ravi Perera / December 30, 2014
ravi,
“. The Tamil speaking Eastern province was also a part of Jaffna Kingdom”
Many Tamils in this forum used to argue for possession of eastern province, based on the fact that it was Tamil speaking even during Kandyan kingdom days. You have gone a step forward to claim that East was part of Jaffna Kingdom. When you say East is it the present day eastern province (craeted by British).
I think you need to get your head checked. There is a limit to this madness.
“Not just Tamil presence, it was Tamil areas that the Dutch captured from the Portuguese and handed over to the Kandyan Kingdom (the Dutch were brought to fight the Portuguese).”
The territory Dutch captured was the territory protugees had captured from the Sinhala kings. Not your illusionary homeland.
In reply to my statement that the Tamil areas of the east was and is restricted to a stretch of 10 miles along the coast and the Sinhala settlements on the other hand though comparatively few were scattered over extensive areas of the interio, you have said the census in 1881 or 1920 do not support this. According to the census of 1921 78% of todays Ampara district (admistrative divisions of Bintenna,Udapalatha,Yati palatha and meda plaltha of wewgam pattu and panama pattuin) had 93% Sinhala people.
“Polonnaruwa district was part of the Eastern province”
According to the initial boundaries drawn by the British there were only 5 provinces. The present day polonnaruwa district was part of the then Eastern province and the present day Anuradhapura district was part of the then northern province.
“Polonnaruwa was not considered a part of the Eastern province but however there is evidence to prove that not only Anuradapura but even Polonnaruwa was inhabited by the Tamils.”
Rajarata (Mainly Anuradhapura and polonnaruwa) is considered the bastion of Sinhala civilisation.
All the evidence in available in Anuradhapura and polonnaruwa point to the fact that these two cities make the core of the Sinhala civilisation in rajarata. During the period of polonnaruwa there was alot of South Indian Influence due to the invasions by the Tamils. Today you can still see the influence of the British, Dutch and the Protugees in Sri Lanka as a result of over 500 yrs of foreign rule. Does that mean that the British or the protugees are entitled to a homeland in the Sinhala polowa.
Demala Gam bim you are refering to is no different to the dema agam bim in Central province or in other Sinhala areas. Does that mean that those areas belong to you tamils.
You have quoted a swiss solder, Cleghorn, Rjklof Van Goen’s etc to say that the present day north, East and even part of the west was inhabited by Malabars.
a.)When they mentioned the word east, how do you know that they were referring to the present day provincial boundaries? As I said the Tamils lived and still do live in the east about 10 miles from the coast. They may have been refering to this area.
b)Besides how many of those colonial rules would have held views contrary to the ones who supported the tamils.You see this even today in the UK. People like Norsby back the Sinhalese where as some MP’s back the tamils.
c) Besides you have not mentioned anything about the Muslims. Their leadership have clearly said they oppose a permanent merger with the North (Big no to separation by the way)
“None of the Pali chronicles or epigraphy (inscriptions) says Duttugemnu was a Sinhala King (Buddhist of course but not Sinhala). Even he himself has never said he was a Sinhala. Neither did he say he was a Tamil.”
Oh dear Duttugemenu may not have been Sinhala , he may have been Spanish..
By the way did the tamil territory run all the way upto Spain ? In that case Duttu would have been Tamil?? Hina hina hina wenna hina…
“Sri Lanka was two nations until the British united it into one.”
Tamil nation then was smaller than the present day Northern province.That too you governed only for about 300 yrs and even during that period the Jaffna king was paying taxes to Kotte king..
“The East Bengal or East Pakistan was not known as Bangladesh, a separate nation or even a nationality by anybody in this world until India intervened and made them a country.”
India is a union of different nations (like Eurpean Union). So it was just a matter of time before the partion with Pakistan and Bangladesh happened. One day the present day India too could split. When Tamil Nadu becomes an independent country, then you could bank on their support.They might try an invasion as they have done throughout the history. Any thing could happen. But The Sinhala man gets extra motivated when pitted against Tamils.
“United Nations intervention and referendums such as ‘Kosovo’, ‘East Timor’, ‘Montenegro’ and so on were NEVER recognized by any state/country or international organization in this world as a separate nation or nationality until they were established as separate countries.”
This is possible in the North. Certainly not in the East , Central hills or the western province. The East which you like to have part of your territory due to the resources in the province etc will firmly stay with the Sinhala people. Muslims will always back the Sinhalese if they have to choose between the Tamil and the Sinhalese inspite of the work of Booru balu sena. Even the Referendum in the North is unlikely because most tamils live outside the North. The UN and the international community is likely to take the safety of the Tamils living outside the North in case North decides to separate.
\” The North & East of Sri Lanka was known to the Tamils as ‘Tamil Eelam’ (Tamil part of Sri Lanka, Eelam is another word for Sri Lanka). The North & East of Sri Lanka (Tamil Eelam) has all the necessary criteria to become a separate nation/country (Tamil Kingdom/homeland was grabbed by the Portuguese and later given to the Sinhalese on a platter by the British).\
ABSOLOUTE LIE
Part of the Sinhala country that was ruled by Tamils (for 300 yrs of the 2500 yrs history) in the form of Jaffna kingdom was handed over to the Sinhala people by Britsh. EAST HAS NEVER BEEN YOURS and WILL NEVER BE in the FUTURE aswell.
“Right from independence when we the Tamil countrymen of Sri Lanka asked you peacefully to let us live in peace and dignity, without the interference of Sinhala Buddhist hegemony, in our traditional habitat to protect our Tamil identity and culture, your inherent Sinhala racism didn’t allow to accommodate the Tamil’s reasonable request, you attacked the unarmed non-violent Tamil protesters”
You did not ask what is yours , you asked for something way more than what is yours. Something you can not justify historically or in terms of numbers.
“If the Sinhalese think that the Tamil freedom struggle ended at Nandikaddal, they are worse than the worst fools in this world”
Inspite of the fact that Prabhakaran and his jonnies (Ugliest of the Ugly) perished like flies in Nanthikadal, we know very well that you guys will never allow us to live in peace as you have done in the history.
In Sinhala we say..
Demala prashne, alu yata gini wage..
“Just like the Palestine-Jew conflict continues with the Western World supporting the Jews, the Sinhala-Tamil conflict will also continue with the World supporting the Tamils (it already began) until they achieve freedom.”
We all saw how the entire world supported you fellow. Israel –Iran, India – Pakistan, USA-China .
“World Tamils are also well organized and established and progressing well to take the struggle to the next level by lobbying/influencing the political leaders of the Western world.”
You Tamils are so organised I am told you are making a nuclear bomb to destroy us…
By the way where are the Funds coming from Rajaratnam or Jayalalitha..
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Ravi / December 30, 2014
Ravi Perera
”The territory Dutch captured was the territory protugees had captured from the Sinhala kings.”
After the fall of the Jaffna kingdom to the hands of the Portuguese, the Tamil Hindus of North and East came under severe atrocities, they were attacking the Hindu temples and forcefully converting to catholism. The only kingdom left was the Kandyan kingdom and therefore the Tamils of North and East were seeking help from the King of Kandy. The Eastern territory that the Dutch captured from the Portuguese and handed over to the king of Kandy was the Tamil territory. The Kandyan king being a Tamil speaking south Indian by origin, the Tamil Hindus had no problems being under the (Buddhist) Kandyan king rather than the Christian Portuguese.
“According to the census of 1921 78% of todays Ampara district (admistrative divisions of Bintenna,Udapalatha,Yati palatha and meda plaltha of wewgam pattu and panama pattuin) had 93% Sinhala people.”
LOL…
The Admistrative divisions of Bintenna,Udapalatha,Yati palatha and meda plaltha comes under the Central/Uva province and NOT Eastern province. Learn your basic geography of Sri Lanka before coming to a public forum and make yourself a laughing stock. The Tamils have NEVER claimed Bintenna, Udapalatha, Yati palatha and meda plaltha as Tamil areas.
“Rajarata (Mainly Anuradhapura and polonnaruwa) is considered the bastion of Sinhala civilisation.”
Considered by whom? People of your ilk?
You can consider, assume, imagine, etc, etc but your consideration does carry any water. Rajarata/Anuradhapura was NEVER known as a Sinhala kingdom. It was ruled by both Sinhala and Tamil kings. Tell me in which chronicle it is said that Anuradhapura was a Sinhala kingdom? (do not confuse Buddhist with Sinhala, Buddhism was attached to Sinhala only in the recent past).
Polonnaruwa Kingdom was created by Rajendra Chola in the 10th century AD, learn some basic history if you do not know this basic facts.
“When they mentioned the word east, how do you know that they were referring to the present day provincial boundaries?”
I only quoted a few out of the many, they all have very clearly said, the North and East of the Island as Tamil areas. They NEVER talked about the 10 miles coastal stretch.
“Besides how many of those colonial rules would have held views contrary to the ones who supported the tamils.”
It is not just one but many and at different periods. These are NOT ordinary Pereras or Appuharmys or Somapalas, they were very responsible colonial officers holding high positions such as Governors, Chief Justice, etc.
“Besides you have not mentioned anything about the Muslims.”
The mother tongue of Muslims is Tamil, the Muslims of East speak pure Tamil. The Tamils have no problems with the Muslims as long as the East remains Tamil speaking.
“Oh dear Duttugemenu may not have been Sinhala, he may have been Spanish”
Spanish?
No, neither Spanish nor Sinhala or Tamil. Duttugemenu’s ethnicity is not known so you can assume him to be a Sinhala. Before going to the war against Elara, he went to the Katharagama Hindu temple to worship Lord Murugan, so it is nor wrong if the Tamils assume him to be a Tamil. You can also assume him to be a Spanish if you want, because finally it is all assumptions.
Everything else what you have written is pure gibberish which deserves to be ignored.
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Ravi Perera / December 31, 2014
ravi,
“After the fall of the Jaffna kingdom to the hands of the Portuguese, the Tamil Hindus of North and East came under severe atrocities, they were attacking the Hindu temples and forcefully converting to catholism. The only kingdom left was the Kandyan kingdom and therefore the Tamils of North and East were seeking help from the King of Kandy. The Eastern territory that the Dutch captured from the Portuguese and handed over to the king of Kandy was the Tamil territory. The Kandyan king being a Tamil speaking south Indian by origin, the Tamil Hindus had no problems being under the (Buddhist) Kandyan king rather than the Christian Portuguese.”
You have written pretty much the same thing you wrote earlier, without answering any of my questions. Read well and answer if you can ?
“The Admistrative divisions of Bintenna,Udapalatha,Yati palatha and meda plaltha comes under the Central/Uva province and NOT Eastern province. Learn your basic geography of Sri Lanka before coming to a public forum and make yourself a laughing stock. The Tamils have NEVER claimed Bintenna, Udapalatha, Yati palatha and meda plaltha as Tamil areas.”
Thanks Pappa for you opinion here. Check and come back to me.
Bintenna, Udapalatha, Yati palatha and meda plaltha fall into the todays sinhala areas of Ampara.
“I only quoted a few out of the many, they all have very clearly said, the North and East of the Island as Tamil areas. They NEVER talked about the 10 miles coastal stretch. “
You wrote the same thing earlier. I asked many questions and you have not replied.
“It is not just one but many and at different periods. These are NOT ordinary Pereras or Appuharmys or Somapalas, they were very responsible colonial officers holding high positions such as Governors, Chief Justice, etc.”
Oh i see..
Any Hadi Sivajilingams in the above list ??
“The mother tongue of Muslims is Tamil, the Muslims of East speak pure Tamil. The Tamils have no problems with the Muslims as long as the East remains Tamil speaking.”
You may not have a problem, but the Muslim leadership has clearly said they do not want to be under tamil rule.
“No, neither Spanish nor Sinhala or Tamil. Duttugemenu’s ethnicity is not known so you can assume him to be a Sinhala. Before going to the war against Elara, he went to the Katharagama Hindu temple to worship Lord Murugan, so it is nor wrong if the Tamils assume him to be a Tamil.”
Even the present day sinhala leaders go to Hindu Kovils. Does that mean they are tamil. Besides in the old days the hindu influence would have been far greater due to to Buddhism being a new then.
“Rajarata/Anuradhapura was NEVER known as a Sinhala kingdom. It was ruled by both Sinhala and Tamil kings. Tell me in which chronicle it is said that Anuradhapura was a Sinhala kingdom? (do not confuse Buddhist with Sinhala, Buddhism was attached to Sinhala only in the recent past). Polonnaruwa Kingdom was created by Rajendra Chola in the 10th century AD, learn some basic history if you do not know this basic facts.”
Tami kings ruling rajarata is no different to British ruling Sri Lanka. The same applied to Polonnaruwa kingdom being ruled by Chola the invader.
It is not me, it is you who have written garbage.
I wrote a detailed article Pls read again and answer some of the many questions I asked you.
It is not me it is you who have written rubbish.
BY the way most Sinhalese people do not care a damn about the opinions of the Tamils, I at least take time to engage with you fellows.
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Ravi / December 31, 2014
Ravi Perera
I have answered all your questions very clearly with verifiable facts (go to google and verify) other than your own hallucinations (with no evidence). How do you expect me to answer your assumptions, considerations, and imaginations?
Any other valid questions?
In Sri Lanka, the history is already twisted many centuries ago and sealed. What we have is not history but a fairy-tale (Ven. Mahanama’s story). After several centuries today the myth has become the truth and the Sinhalese fools believe it as gospel.
BY the way the Tamil people do not care a damn about the opinions of the Sinhala-Buddhists, they only need the International opinion and support and they already have it enough. Only Iran, Swaziland, China and a few other dictators and pariah states/banana republic believe the Sinhala opinion. US, UN and the West is always with the Tamils. Wait for the UNHRC report and then let us see the fun.
We Tamils do not need to respond to stupid and moronic questions of the Sinhalayas but here I am just having some fun with an ignorant, that’s it.
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Ravi Perera / December 31, 2014
ravi,
“I have answered all your questions very clearly with verifiable facts (go to google and verify) other than your own hallucinations (with no evidence). How do you expect me to answer your assumptions, considerations, and imaginations? Any other valid questions?
YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MANY QUESTIONS. You have avoided many of my questions.
“In Sri Lanka, the history is already twisted many centuries ago and sealed. What we have is not history but a fairy-tale (Ven. Mahanama’s story). After several centuries today the myth has become the truth and the Sinhalese fools believe it as gospel. “
Mahanamas story is no different to any other historical or religious documents. Among the many truths the is addins too.
By the way you ugly demalas are blind enough to believe that Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa was part of the tamil homeland based on garbage fed to you by the highly intelligent coward prabhakaran.
“BY the way the Tamil people do not care a damn about the opinions of the Sinhala-Buddhists, they only need the International opinion and support and they already have it enough”
We saw your international support duering the nanthikadal days. Rajive Gandhis ghost will be the biggest supporter of you Tamil fellow.
“We Tamils do not need to respond to stupid and moronic questions of the Sinhalayas but here I am just having some fun with an ignorant, that’s it”
Thanks for reminding me that I am Ignorant. Something intelligent people in Sri lanka as well as overseas have not been able to identify. But a refugee in a Western country has judged me to be ignorant.
I WILL WRITE TO YOU WITH VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (Which you have avoided answering earlier) tomorrow since I have plans for the new years eve. That is more important than arguing with yet another ugly demala.
By the way it won’t be tomorrow may be towards the end of the week, since I do not want to waste time on a scavenger/refugee on the first of the new year.
Have fun tonight if you don’t mind spending.
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Ravi / December 31, 2014
Ravi Perera
I was rolling on the floor and laughing out loud at your hilarious immature response on the New Year eve while enjoying a glass of single malt scotch and a good cuban cigar. I am already having fun and at the same time enjoying your jokes too.
Cheers!
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Suresh / December 27, 2014
I see only five options available for the Tamils of Sri Lanka in the 2015 Presidential election.
1) Vote for Maithripala Sirisena
2) Vote for Mahinda Rajapaksha
3) Vote for the Tamil candidate
4) Vote for anyone among the rest (eg. the candidate who did raise a voice for Tamil rights)
5) Refrain from voting
Let us see the possible outcome of each, bottom up.
OPTION 1: REFRAIN FROM VOTING
This was what the Tamils did in 2005. Even without LTTE influence, most had reasons to boycott elections. With LTTE reluctant to resume peace talks, from their perspective a vote for Ranil Wickremasinghe did not necessarily bring a new hope.
Now, the environment is different. LTTE is no more. (Just assume Rajapaksa thugs do not play any dirty games on January 8), the Tamils have all the right to abstain, but why? That will not serve any useful purpose, unless if one prefers anarchy.
OPTION 2: VOTE FOR ANYONE AMONG THE REST
Hardly makes any sense. None of them will get enough to be seen as a protest vote. Voting for Siritunga Jayasuriya to show gratitude is fine, (he is a rare Sinhalese gentlemen who fought for Tamil rights throughout his life) but after two weeks nobody will remember the votes (Less than 0.1%). If protest is what you want, make sure that is seen.
OPTION 3: VOTE FOR THE TAMIL CANDIDATE
Why should Tamils vote for a Sinhalese when there is a Tamil candidate?
Let me tell why. Even if the entire Tamil population votes for him, he will get not more than 10-15%. (This is highly unlikely, more than 90% Colombo Tamils back UNP. Even without Thonda, sizable percentage of Indian Tamils too will follow suit.) So what? It will not make him the President. Doing so will surely show the Tamils strength but for what?
Isn’t this the time to vote on larger political issues rather than on ethnicity?
In the Presidential Election of 1982, the only one so far to have a serious Tamil candidate, G.G. Ponnambalam Jnr (Kumar) got only 40% (87,263 votes) from Jaffna district while the SLFP candidate Hector Kobbekaduwa was not too behind. (35% and 77,300 votes), Why did Jaffna Tamils vote for Kobbekaduwa whom they have hardly heard about? It could have been partially a protest vote, but more importantly a reflection Jaffna Tamils did well under the control regime of Sirima Bandaranaike. They vote on issues, not on people or ethnicity.
That is what we need. Tamils should vote on principles rather than ethnicity. Who will address their day to day problems? (We have come a long way since the Sinhalese governments could ignore their pressing issues like they did in 1970s.) In terms of economy and rights Maithripala Sirisena certainly is better for the Tamils than anyone else in the list.
OPTION 4: VOTE FOR MAHINDA RAJAPAKSA
This sounds more like a joke. Why should a Tamil vote for Rajapaksa? Or, for that matter why should anyone vote for this opportunistic dictator whose only interest is himself and his family? Do we want a Zimbabwe here? Can any self-respecting individual endorse the re-election of this Hitler who shamelessly violated the human rights? Have we forgotten white vans? Have we forgotten Karuna hijacking Colombo Tamils for kappam?
Rajapaksa is also the candidate of the extreme Sinhalese Nationalist types, who think the entire country belongs only to Sinhalese Buddhists and everyone else (including Sinhalese Catholics) live as second class citizens. He doesn’t even represent the moderate Sinhalese. Why should anyone expect him to represent Tamils?
Maithripala Sirisena, on the other hand is the only candidate that represent the minorities. See the people who stand with him. We still have a long way to go to win an acceptable political solution to ethnic issue and Tamil grievances, but that will happen only if Maithripala Sirisena comes into power. Otherwise the road will be closed forever.
OPTION 5: VOTE FOR MAITHRIPALA SIRISENA
1. His INTENTIONS ARE NOT TO SERVE HIS FAMILY: Let us not kid ourselves. Why Rajapaksa wants power? To make his family grew further bigger and more powerful. Perhaps he wants to make his family the richest in South Asia. Aren’t we tired of this kind of petty politics? Isn’t this the time to give a chance for somebody who thinks about the country before himself?
2. HE REPRESENTS A NATION, NOT A SINGLE RACE: Can Rajapaksa ever say he represents Tamils, or in that case even Muslims? Rajapaksa represents only the extreme Sinhala Buddhists not even moderate Sinhalese. On the contrary, Maithripala Sirisena‘s New Democratic Front, true to its name, represents all ethnic communities at the top level. He will be the only leader capable of uniting this divided people.
3. HE IS ABOVE POLITICS: Unlike Rajapaksa, who is still very much within the political game (and thus not approved by nearly half of the country) Maithripala Sirisena is above politics. He is a common candidate representing almost all the major parties.
Finally, the bitterness Tamils having with the Sinhala leaders. Whatever they are, I frankly think this is the time to bury the hatchet and forget differences. True, Maithripala Sirisena, just like Rajapaksa, primarily represent Sinhalese. Maithripala Sirisena was an honest minister who did his job well without corruption. Given a team, I firmly believe he will do more for Tamils interests than Rajapaksa. What matters is future and not past.
Let the entire Tamils vote for MAITHRIPALA SIRISENA on the 8th of January, 2015.
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Ben Hurling
Here is an important facebook clip:
Ven Baddegama Samitha Thero
Southern Provincial Council Member
Inter Faith Study Circle Press Conference
2 April 2013
Please listen carefully and pass this link to your fellow Sinhala/Buddhists Aryans.
Here is a monk who can teach one or two things for you to ponder. He mentions Adhivasin during his speech.
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Ben Hurling
Here is an important facebook clip:
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=353945998058921
Ven Baddegama Samitha Thero
Southern Provincial Council Member
Inter Faith Study Circle Press Conference
2 April 2013
Please listen carefully and pass this link to your fellow Sinhala/Buddhists Aryans.
Here is a monk who can teach one or two things for you to ponder. He mentions Adhivasin during his speech.
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Ben Hurling / December 29, 2014
Native,
I have been a fan of Ven Baddegama Samitha Thero for a longtime.
Even before you were initiated for hunting in the jungle as a boy.
Thanks for posting anyway. Shared.
Cheers!
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Thiru / December 23, 2014
TCSF Convener – Bishop of Mannar, Dr. Rayappu Joseph,
You have very well said it, and this clearly shows the exclusionary functioning of Sinhalese politics since independence starting with the disenfranchisement of upcountry Tamils.
Tamils, Muslims and Christians must join hands and get the international community to ensure their rights in the island with the Sinhalese politicians with whom the British handed over the colonial administration of the peoples of the island which they put together for convenience.
Sinhalese politicians and the Buddhist hierarchic are adamant on Sinhalese Buddhist hegemony over the island. It must be stopped and reversed for democratic governance.
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Ajith / December 24, 2014
It is true that Ceylonese politics turned into Tamil Sinhala politics since the name changed to Sri Lanka. Unfortunately, for Tamils, Muslims and Christians our homeland is inside this island. Therefore we have to fight to get our rights of living within this island. The day it turned into Sinhala Tamil politics, we have become a football between two major Sinhalese power groups. All these days we thought we can get some relief by alligning this side or that side but it is now clear there is no point bargaining with this side or that side. So, in this election we should leave it to the people to make their own decision to evaluate what Mahinda offered within past five years and whether there is any hope if Mithiri promised to do within 100 days. I advise our political leadership not to involve in any campagin to support one or other and don’t go to any talks unless they come to discuss what they can offer to a permanent solution. It is sinhalese problem to select their leader what they want from those leadership. Do they want Mahinda continue with the style in which runs this land or by electing Maithiri whether they can stop this style and get what they want. In this election they have to choose a dictatorship or a democratic rule.
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Ravi / December 24, 2014
As long as the next President also remains a Sinhala-Buddhist Nationalist why should the Tamils vote for them? Why should the Tamils worry if the President is a corrupt familial dictatorship?
It is true that Mahinda Rajapakshe is not going to do anything good for the Tamils but his Anti-western and Anti-Tamil policy will ensure a continuous support for the Tamils from the West, UN, and Tamil Nadu. In the long term, it will help the Tamils to have a referendum to separate from the Sinhalese. If the Tamils want to hope for the best (long term gain) then they should support a 3rd term for Mahinda Rajapakshe.
On the other hand, getting rid of the known devil Rajapakshe and bringing in the JHU dominated Maithreepala Sirisena is also not going to do anything good for the Tamils but his pro-western policy will only ensure that the Tamils lose their support in the West. If the Tamils think of short term gains and help to elect Maithreepala Sirisena, then they should get ready to prepare for the worst.
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Sinhala Banda / December 24, 2014
Ravi (aka the Paravi)
There was an avenue for a Tamil person to become a Prime Minister in this country under Whiskey Chandrika’s administration. One of greatest sons of this country has ever born in this country produced Mr. Kadiragamum. But this Bis-hope’s disciples (LTTE monkeys) managed to send him to the Heaven while he was resting in his pool at one night. So you missed last chance my dear Bis-hope.
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Ravi Perera / December 24, 2014
thiru,
“You have very well said it, and this clearly shows the exclusionary functioning of Sinhalese politics since independence starting with the disenfranchisement of upcountry Tamils.”
In the disenfranchisement of Indian Tamils the Sri Lankan Tamil leadership in the form of Ponnambalam supported too.Besides if the Indian Tamils were not disenfranchised most of the parliamentary representatives from the up country would have been Indian Tamils based on the electoral system that existed then, despite the fact the Sinhalese were the majority.
while blaming the Sinhalese people for disenfranchising the Indian Tamils, you wrongly accuse the Sinhalese for settling mainly in the east for what you called the colonization schemes, knowing very well that these provincial boundaries existed only after the British started governing the country.
Sinhalese people are 75% to 80% of the country. You should not and certainly can not claim 1/3 of the country as your fictitious homeland, if that is what you mean by equal rights.
During the war in South Africa there were many whites who backed Nelson Mandela and the ANC. Such people within the sinhala society supporting the your homeland theory are very few, infact most sinhala people consider the Tamil leadership as a selfish group of people
Most of the Muslims know very well that the incidents against them were initiated and carried out by only a marginal group within the sinhala society.
As long as the threat from the Eelamists exists, my personal opinion is we should hold on to the executive presidency.
By the way it is highly unlikely that Maithriplala Sirisena will give up the executive presidency if he wins.(There is a good chance he may)
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Ajith / December 24, 2014
Sinhalese people are 75% to 80% of the country. You should not and certainly can not claim 1/3 of the country as your fictitious homeland, if that is what you mean by equal rights./////
Sinhalese people outside North East were 95% according to population statistics in 1881. Tamils of North East were 95%. This was the situation before the power of whole island was handed over to Sinhalese. Under the rule of Sinhalese, there were continous genocide of Tamils and it continues until now. The equal rights is not about land area or size of the population. It is the right of self determination of the right to administer the area that was traditional homeland. It is true that Tamils thought that they can live together. Unfortunately, Sinhalese thought they are superior and they are above law and they can kill Tamils and they don’t need to face justice. This is what that is going for over 65 years under Sinhalese rule. A good example is that Jaffna library was burnt by somebody. Was there any investigation? Have you find out who burnt that library? if No, Why not? Do you have any answer? We are not worried about your opinion because you are bloody fundamentalist. You don’t know what is justice and what is right? We don’t mind you hold on executive presidency and continue with sucking the blood of poor Sinhala masses as your Mahinda is doing now? You need executive power to save guard Mahinda family because he will have to face justice for killing Lasantha and removing power of Shirani who are also Sinhalese.
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Ravi Perera / December 24, 2014
“Tamils of North East were 95%.”
There is clearly no justification for once racial group claiming proprietary , exclusive rights over the others within these two boundaries set artificially by the British merely because there are more members of that group over the others. If there is any validity in such contention it would follow with even greater force from the same principle, since there is and always has been within the natural borders of Sri Lanka, am overwhelming preponderance of Sinhalese, the entirety of Sri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhalese.
Whilst Tamils are an overwhelming majority in the North the same can not be said about the Eastern Province. Muslims and the Sinhalese together constitute about 64% of the eastern Province.
Although the Sinhalese are about 25 % of Eastern Province, the Tamils and the Muslim settlements are largely confined to the coastal areas (Particulary in Ampara and Trincomalee) which are relatively thickly populated compared to the sparsely populated Sinhalese villages which are spread over a huge area.
Thus of the 22 assistant government agents divisions in the Trinco and Ampara districts the Sinhalese constitute the overwhelming majority in in 10 namely, Padavi Siripura,Gomarankadawela,Kantalai, Moraweva and Seruvila in the Trincomalee district and wevgam pattu ,panama pattu and bintennepattu in Ampara district whilst the Tamils constitute majority only in Trincomalee town and Tirikkovil in Amara .
Thus the Sinhalese constitute the overwhelming majority in about 60% of Trincomalee district and 78% of Ampara district.
This spartial distribution of the population was not a recent phenomenon caused by so called colonisation but one existed long before any Sinhalese was settled in the North and the East with state assistance.
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Kettikaran / December 24, 2014
” … exclusive rights over the others within these two boundaries set artificially by the British..” notes Ravi Perera.
But, Sir, please address your mind to the history of the Island
prior to the arrival of the first colonials, the Portugese, in the first decades of the 1500. Even a die-hard anti-Tamil like you will admit the entire North-East region till the mid-20th century was largely Tamil-speaking. Why should Sinhalese, whom you falsely claim as being there in those centuries, talk Tamil when they had a highly developed mother tongue then? Blaming the British for all our ills is now a stale strategy has been far too clear for a long time.
Kettikaran
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Ravi Perera / December 24, 2014
“prior to the arrival of the first colonials, the Portugese, in the first decades of the 1500. Even a die-hard anti-Tamil like you will admit the entire North-East region till the mid-20th century was largely Tamil-speaking.”
I would admit the north being Tamil but not the east (excepting the coastal stretch (which include Muslims).
Read my answer well again, and hopefully you will be able to digest what I have said.
As for my being anti Tamil, you can say what ever you want. People like you who are anti Sinhalese will see any one opposing your views as such
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Anpu / December 25, 2014
Kettikaran,
This Ravi Perera is twisting the history for a long time.
East Sri Lanka, the Tamils and History
August 5th, 2007 http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/344
By Dharman Dharmaratnam
The Eastern Province has a land area of 9,361 square kilometers (3,613 square miles). The Tamils have had a presence in the region that goes back two millenia. Successive post-independence governments in Sri Lanka, backed by hardline Sinhalese nationalists, have attempted to deny the Tamil Hindu character of the region. They have attempted to do so through dubious efforts to distort history. This entails a highly selective read of the Pali and Sinhalese historical chronicles while suppressing the Sanskrit and Tamil literary evidence, the evidence of archeology and the records of outside travelers to the contrary.
This attempt to Sinhalize the East and to give it an exclusively Buddhist historical color is seen in the efforts of the current Percy Mahinda Rajapakse administration. It is a naked attempt to grab Tamil land and to de-Tamilize it using history as one tool of many to legitimize the Sinhalization of the East. The declaration of Sampur as a High Security Zone, failed attempts to secure UNESCO World Heritage status for Seruvila, the demerger of the North and the East, the Government’s Neganihara Navodaya program, and post-Thoppigala celebrations are examples. There is a veritable industry to roll back the Tamil character of the region.
This article presents some of the rich evidence that demonstrates the centuries old Tamil Hindu presence in the region. The East has been Tamil despite the efforts of independent Sri Lanka to settle Sinhalese peasants through land colonization schemes of dubious economic value.
Early Iron Age
Megalithic urn burials have been excavated in Kathiraveli in the Batticaloa district and north of Nilaveli in the Trincomalee district. This included black and red ware pottery tentatively dated to the 3rd century BCE and iron tools (Sudarshan Senivaratne, The Archeology of the Megalithic Black and Red Ware Complex in Sri Lanka, Ancient Ceylon, 1984). The ethnicity of these people can not be verified but remarkable parallels exist between these urn burials and those excavated in the Kaveri, Ponnaiyar, Tamraparani and Vaigai rivers in Tamil Nadu. Similar sites have been excavated in the Jaffna, Kilinochchi and Mannar districts. The Jaffna islands and the Aruvi Aru, Elapat Aru, Modarakam Aru and Kal Aru basins stand out. North Sri Lanka shared the same early iron age culture as did Tamil Nadu. Preliminary evidence suggests that the ‘megalithic culture’ witnessed the introduction of iron, the potters wheel, the plough, rice cultivation and minor tank irrigation.
Trincomalee
The Siva temple at Trincomalee known as Koneswaram is of considerable antiquity despite the strenuous efforts of Sinhalese nationalist historians to deny the Tamil Hindu character of the ancient port city. The earliest reference to a Hindu temple is in fact the Pali chronicle, the Mahavamsa, where chapter 35, verses 40 to 41, indicate that King Mahasena destroyed three ‘Deva temples’ in Gokarna (Trincomalee), Erakavilla (Eravur?) and in the village of the Brahmin Kalanda to atone for his defiance of orthodox Theravada Buddhism. He reportedly built Buddhist viharas in their place. This was in the 4th century CE.
Gokarna in Sanskrit translates as the “cow’s ear” and signifies a place of Saivite Hindu worship. The place name Gokarna recurs in western Karnataka and in Nepal, where both sites boast of ancient Siva temples! The Buddhist vihara evidentally did not last long if one were to accept the tradition of the Vayu Purana dated to the 4th century CE. Chapter 48, verses 20 to 30, refers to the ‘Siva temple on Trikuta hill on the Eastern coast of Lanka’. While Sinhalese nationalist historians have tried to put a spin on the alleged Buddhist antecedents of Trincomalee, the evidence is clear that the ancient port city of Trincomalee or Gokarna was a Hindu place of worship since antiquity. Further, the Tamil Saivite saint Tiru Gnanasambandar sang of the glories of the Siva temple in Trincomalee in the 7th century. The Nilaveli inscription in the 10th century refers to a land grant made to this temple.
An 8th century Sanskrit inscription was excavated in Tiriyai. The inscription engraved in the South Indian Grantha script, refers to merchant mariners from Tamil Nadu who endowed this Mahayana Buddhist shrine dedicated to the Bodhisatva Avalokitesvara and his consort Tara. It was interesting that the inscription was recorded in Sanskrit and not in Pali. Neither was it inscribed in early Sinhalese characters. It relied on the South Indian Grantha script instead. Neither was Thiriyai a Theravada Buddhist sanctuary dominant in Sinhalese history. The Grantha alphabet was used to write Sanskrit in Tamil Nadu and is similar to the contemporary Malayalam script!
The inscriptions dated to the kings Udaya III and Mahinda IV in the 10th century refer to Tamil lands (Demel gam bim) in the eastern coast of Sri Lanka.
The Cholas
The Chola interlude in Sri Lanka’s history dated from 993 CE to 1070 CE. This period marked a deepening of the Tamil historical presence in the East. Inscriptions dated to this period refer to a Tamil village in Kantalai called Chatur Vedimangalam. This village, consecrated to the performance of Hindu religious rituals, had a local assembly that administered the community. (S. Gunasingham, Trincomalee Inscription Series, Peradeniya, 1974). Archeological ruins dated to the Chola period have been excavated in Trincomalee, Kantalai and Padavikulam. (S. Pathmanathan, The Kingdom of Jaffna, Colombo, 1978, page 44).
Chola-era inscriptions record the activities of Tamil mercantile communities in Padavikulam (renamed Padavi Siripura in Sinhalese). The mercantile groups referred to were the Ticai Aayirattu Ain Nurruvar (Velupillai, Ceylon Tamil Inscriptions, Peradeniya, 1971) and the Ayyavole. Taniyappan, a mercant from Padavikulam, laid a foundation stone for a Siva temple there. A Tamil inscription by Raja Raja Chola refers to Ravi Kulamanikkeswaram Siva Temple in Padavikulam. (K. Indrapala, Epigraphia Tamilica, Jaffna Archeological Society, 1971 – page 34). A 13th century Sanskrit inscription excavated here mentions a Brahmin village in the area. The paddy fields of Padavikulam were watered by the Per Aru river (renamed Ma Oya in Sinhalese).
The Cholas also expanded a Buddhist shrine, Vilgam Vihara, which they called Raja Raja Perumpalli near Mudalikulam (renamed Moraweva in Sinhalese). Other inscriptions mention a Chola prince – by the name of Lankeshwara Devar who administered Trincomalee.
A 12th century Tamil inscription from Kantalai refers to the Siva temple of Ten Kailasam. (Epigraphia Zeylanica). Another inscription from Palamottai from the Trincomalee district records a monetary endowment to a Hindu temple by a Tamil widow for the merit of her husband. This was administered by a member of the Tamil military caste – the Velaikkarar (Epigraphia Zeylanica, Volume 4, Number 20).
Chola era inscriptions refer to a settlement of the Velaikkarar in Kottiyaaram, known today as Sampur and Mutur. Kottiyaaram was divided into two Chola administrative units i.e. Raja Raja Valanadu and Vikrama Chola Valanadu. (T.N. Subramaniam, South Indian Temple Inscriptions, Madras 1953). These examples prove without doubt that the Trincomalee district had a distinct Tamil Hindu presence in the 11th and 12th centuries, a point denied by the Sinhalese nationalist historians of today who legitimize attempts to suppress evidence of the Tamil historical presence.
The Pali chronicle, the Culavamsa, mentions that King Aggabodhi II built an irrigation tank in Gangatata in the 7th century. Latter day Sinhalese nationalists identify Gangatata with Kantalai but the link is unclear. Tamil literary sources of a later date acribe Kantalai reservoir to Kulakoddan, a Chola prince. The evidence is once again uncertain.
Magha of Kalinga
The invasion of Magha of Kalinga (Orissa) in 1215 CE deepened the Tamil historical presence in the East. Chapter 83 of the Culavamsa refers to Magha’s garrisons in Kottiyaaram, Trincomalee, Kantalai, Kattukulam and Padavikulam. The temple of Tirukovil in the Amparai district was built by Magha (Ceylon Tamil Inscriptions, page 6). Archeological evidence indicates that the Siva temple in Kokkadicholai in the Batticaloa district dated to his time i.e. the 13th century.
The Tamil lands of what is today Amparai and Batticaloa were traditionally divided into several principalities or ‘pattus’. These included Manmunai-pattu, Palukamam-pattu, Natukaatu, Eravur-pattu, Porativu-pattu and Koralaipattu. Pattu in Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam denotes a territorial division consisting of several villages ( T.V. Mahalingham, Administrative and Social Life under the Vijayanagara, P 81). Medieval Tamil texts dated to the 15th and 16th centuries, such as the Mattakalapu Manmiyam, the Konesar Kalvettu and the Dakshina Kailasa Puranam, not to mention the later Mattakalapu Purva Caritram, provide useful insights on the political conditions in what is today the Trincomalee and Batticaloa districts in the 13, 14 and 15th centuries. Sinhalese nationalist historians question the historical rigor of such textual evidence but the same critique could then be applied to the traditional Buddhist chronicles in Sri Lanka such as the Mahavamsa, the Culavamsa and the Pujavaliya!
The Vaiya Paadal, a late Tamil historical text dated to the 17th century, refers to the Brahmin Cupatittu who ruled Tiriyai, a Aanasingam who administered Kattukulampattu, a Maamukan who ruled Verukal and Thampalakamam, and a Mayilan who ruled over Kottiyaaram in the 1400s CE. The arrival of the Portuguese in the 16th century and of the Dutch in the 17th century led to turbulence in the eastern districts of Ceylon. Many of the old Tamil principalities sought protection from the Kandyan kings. But this does not deny the early Tamil presence in what is today the Eastern Province. Muslims from Sri Lanka’s west coast fled to Kandy to seek protection from the Portuguese and were resettled on lands in what is today Amparai. The Kandyan kingdom was itself a multi ethnic one. The last four kings there were infact from Thanjavur in Tamil Nadu! One Kandyan king built the Siva temple in Thampalakamam in the early 1700s.
While Buddhist remains in the East such as Deeghavapi and Seruvila do exist, these do not detract from the early Tamil association with the region just as the Tamil Hindu historical presence in the deep south of the island does not remove from the Sinhala character of the latter. I have highlighted a few of the many pieces of evidence that proves that the Tamil presence in the East is of considerable antiquity. The Tamils were a clear cut majority in that region until post-independent governments resettled Sinhalese in the region. Sinhalese Buddhist nationalism endeavors to suppress the historical evidence, but facts are stubborn.
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Kettikaran / December 25, 2014
Dear Anpu,
Thank you for the scholarly intervention. Ravi Perera is not an obstinate Sinhala extremist. But those like him are mislead by the devious “research” done by the late Gamini Irriyagolle, which the demagogue Lalith Athulathmudali (and even Prof. Kingsley de Silva) used extensively both in Parliament and elsewhere to distort the Tamil presence over two millennia in the East. Yes! There were occasions when Tamil kings in the region owed suzerainty to Kandyan Kings, which used to be Athulathmudali’s Piece de Resistance, during different period of those historical times. But the moment the Tamils were able to raise sufficient troops they recovered their territory.
I will revert back on this matter after I study the arguments in this page.
Kettikaran
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Ravi Perera / December 25, 2014
Read the answer I wrote to Anpu. Your two millennia presence in the East is just imagination. Your homleland is Tamil Nadu
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Kettikaran / December 25, 2014
“Your homeland is Tamilnadu” says Ravi Perera. How true! That is where both Tamils and Sinhalese came from, if you know your true history. The only difference is those who call themselves Sinhalese today came from the lower castes in South India – the Dalits, if you like. That is what Dr. Colvin R. de Silva and other honest Sinhala historians acknowledge. The original Lankan inhabitants were savages and half-savages – the progeny of Rakshashi Kuveni. See those old paintings in the Buddhist temples. Not much to be proud about. In other words, the Sinhalese, I am sorry to say, are an achcharu race.
Are you not ashamed of the names stolen by the Sinhalese today from India for their children. Look at the name of your much loved Cricketers – Aravinda, Arjuna, Kumar, Mahela etc. Look at your own stolen name. Why have you deserted names like Somapala, Sirisena, Odiris, Ukkung and others. Know something? Even they are Indian. Come out of it, Mister. The only claim is you are over 75% of the current population and are using the numbers to subjugate the others using force. Tamils have and will resist this. Unfortunately, you have no claim for originality in religion, language or culture.
Kettikaran
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Ravi Perera / December 25, 2014
See the garbage you have written. If you can sell this garbage to the international community and convince them of your homeland then that is fine.
” Tamils have and will resist this.”
This will be your only option and keep resisting and invite for another Mullivaikkal.
“Unfortunately, you have no claim for originality in religion, language or culture.”
You buggers are so original it is reflected in your good looks too.
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
Ravi Perera
Sinhala speaking Demela,
So you come to ground but afraid to do so when called on the thread dedicated to you.
You are para sihal hora oru in the profession of parasite as much as para demla- both para deshi.
The land belongs to Hindia and you have no DNA of the north.
Perera means you were bought in as a slave by the portugese who operated close to Goa till 1978. You dont have european DNA component.
It was the policy of isaballa catholica the architect of royal relationship by marriage from south of europe to norway-
to send orphans to marry the sailors who came their for trade and set up east india company (wise decision for security) There are many an offshot(court lang)
Even today if your grandfather was european then you have the right to residency and nationality- but neither you nor GL who I know have it.
Do you understand pachabhau!
Apith ekka kathave (talk to us bullet points only no apron strings of other folks bullshit 2 dimension language that can change with one word of latin in any court house)
Spanish is my language as close to latin as possible.
pagina folio = page foolscap (you need that at court house)
I am no lawyer but i can run through any parasite because we think verticle.
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Javi. / December 26, 2014
“You buggers are so original it is reflected in your good looks too. “
Mugabe the Great Loves you bamuno go go go!
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Ravi / December 30, 2014
Ravi Perera
There is no such thing as an Aryan Sinhala/Buddhist. Sinhala people came from South India, Buddhism (religion) and language came from North India.
In 1995, a research project carried out by Dr. R. Jayasekara and his team from the Human Genetics unit, Faculty Medicine, University of Colombo, Sri Lanka in collaboration with the Department of Human Genetics, University of New Castle collected blood samples in Colombo and surrounding areas from 102 Sinhalese, 100 Tamils, 103 Burghers, 100 Muslims (Moors) and 103 Muslims (Malays) who were healthy, normal and unrelated individuals. Altogether 608 blood samples were collected and transported by air to the department of Human Genetics. University of New Castle. In the final analysis, the Sinhalese and the Tamil Population of Sri Lanka appear to be the descendants of a single genetic group that had occupied this country. The DNA of Tamil Nadu Tamils is matching the Sinhalese, Sri Lankan Tamils and also the Muslims (Moors). That is the reason why the mother tongue of Muslims (Moors) is Tamil and not Arabic or Sinhala. There are no indications to believe that the Sinhalese are direct descendants of North Indians (Aryans) and Sri Lankan Muslims (Moors) are the direct descendants of Arabs. They are all South Indians (most probably low caste Hindus) who got converted to Buddhism and Islam.
By the way Ravi Perera, if you check your DNA/genes it will definitely match the South Indian Tamils (100% no doubt).
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Ravi Perera / December 31, 2014
ravi,
“There is no such thing as an Aryan Sinhala/Buddhist. Sinhala people came from South India, Buddhism (religion) and language came from North India.”
I have never ever said anywhere that Sinhalese are descendants of North Indians. Sinhalese race today has evolved from the Hela Tribes with an input from the Indians. in another 2500 yrs time the sinhala race would be known as something else. Today we have protuges names , English names and we see the influences of these cultures.
Even Mahavansa which says that the sinhalese are descendants of Vijaya, very clearly mentions the fact that the vijaya and his people mixed with the natives to give birth to the sinhala race.
The reason the Sinhalese like to say that they are descendants of North Indians is due to the stigma attached with the word Dravida (Sinhalese confuse this word with the Tamil).
From what I have heard before that the sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils share 55% of the same DNA.
This sort of similarity could be found among many neighboring races
“They are all South Indians (most probably low caste Hindus) who got converted to Buddhism and Islam. “
You are referring to Sinhalese as low caste Hindus.
How dare you buggers call us that. How low can it be more than a Tamil.Sakkiliyas
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R. Varathan / December 31, 2014
Ravi,
Suggest pay no attention to this much confused pseudo-Nationalist Ravi Perera. My sympathies are with him and other Sinhala friends, proud of their heritage. We will always respect them for that. But attempts at creating “instant history” and surreptitiously changing history is not on. What has he got to say where that disputed chronicle the Mahawamsa, in which Sinhala extremists like him make such a hue and cry, came to the attention of the Sinhala Buddhists only about 100 years ago – thanks to visiting American missionaries.
Sinhala Buddhism, culture and language, without its South/North Indian influence and content, will be akin to a damp squib.
And I do not mean it derogatorily. There is still much to be admired and respected in them.
R. Varathan
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Kettikaran / December 31, 2014
Ravi,
I recall reading earlier from the scholarly works of respected Professors Sudharshan Seneviratne and Shiran Deraniyagala that both Sinhalese and Tamils of today came from the same genetic pool
from today’s Tamilnadu. Both these fine gentlemen, respected as honest scholars by the global academic community, may not like to get involved in the muddy waters of Sri Lankan arguments of
who came from where and when etc – hot debates where rhetoric and visceral features overcome reason and historical evidence. Prof. Seneviratne, at any rate, is our High Commissioner in Delhi – one of the few good ones by the Rajapakse regime.
Kettikaran
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Ravi / December 31, 2014
Ravi Perera
“Even Mahavansa which says that the sinhalese are descendants of Vijaya, very clearly mentions the fact that the vijaya and his people mixed with the natives to give birth to the sinhala race.”
Ha,ha,ha… LOL
Can you please show me (mention the chapter/page number or give a reliable link) where exactly in the Mahavamsa or Dipavamsa or Chulavamsa or any other Sinhala/Pali Vamsa it is said that Vijaya and his people mixed with the natives to give birth to the sinhala race?
What I read from the Mahavamsa was, Vijaya married to Kuvaini against the consent of her tribes and also attacked her people, later he killed her and married a Pandya Queen from Madura along with maidens from Pandya Nadu for his 700 men. I have NEVER come across a statement in the Mahavamsa that Vijaya and his people mixed with the native tribes to give birth to the Sinhala race.
Did you create this story? Looks like it is your story and NOT history. If not please provide reliable evidence.
“From what I have heard before that the Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils share 55% of the same DNA.”
According to the latest DNA/genetic studies, the Sinhalese genes are much closer to the South Indian Tamils, even more than the Sri Lankan Tamils (common genetic marker). In other words, you are a Sinhala speaking Demalaa.
“You are referring to Sinhalese as low caste Hindus.”
Mostly, the low caste Hindus (Dalits) got converted to other religions and adopt other cultures, languages, etc. Regarding Sinhalese, according to GG Ponambalam (politician) YES, but personally I do not know. I did not mean to put the Sinhalese race down, as a community/people I do not see the Sinhalese lower than the Tamils.
“How low can it be more than a Tamil.Sakkiliyas”
Sakkiliyas can be considered as one of the lowest castes of South India, more than the caste, it is a profession (a labour class). Today, most of the Sinhala-Buddhist women are doing Sakkili job in the Arab countries. We should not disrespect those few handful of people who are doing that job irrespective of their race (Tamil or Sinhala).
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Ravi Perera / December 31, 2014
According to legend Mahavamsa they are the descendants of the exiled Prince Vijaya who arrived from East India to Sri Lanka in 543 BCE. However, the popular Sinhalese folklore and some references in Mahavamsa to times before Vijaya, indicate the Sinhalese are actually descendants of earlier inhabitants of Sri Lanka; (Raksha, Yaksha, Deva and Naga) who intermixed with Vijaya and the other Indo Aryan invaders from India.
Birth of the sinhala race (Evolution of the heal races into sinhala)is to the island of Sri Lanka).
“According to the latest DNA/genetic studies, the Sinhalese genes are much closer to the South Indian Tamils, even more than the Sri Lankan Tamils (common genetic marker). In other words, you are a Sinhala speaking Demalaa. “
Interesting to know what these studies are,who conducted them etc etc. I will dread the day I hear that the statement you made is true.
GG Ponnambalam with his good looks would have thought he was higher than the sinhalese.
About the sinhala women doing sakkili jobs in the mddle east, what about tamil women in Toronto. They are not even doing sakkili jobs. They are living like scavengers in Toronto, living off tax payers money.
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Ravi / December 31, 2014
Ravi Perera
“However, the popular Sinhalese folklore and some references in Mahavamsa to times before Vijaya, indicate the Sinhalese are actually descendants of earlier inhabitants of Sri Lanka; (Raksha, Yaksha, Deva and Naga) who intermixed with Vijaya and the other Indo Aryan invaders from India.”
Can you specify what these Sinhalese folklore are and on which pages you found this story for me to verify and where in the Mahavamsa it is said that the Sinhalese are actually descendants of earlier inhabitants of Sri Lanka (please tell me in which chapter)? Also tell me where it is said that they intermixed with Vijaya and the other Indo Aryan invaders from India. Looks like you have NEVER read the Mahavamsa.
Regarding Raksha, Yaksha, Deva and Naga
If you read all the ancient Indian (Hindu, Buddhist & Jain) texts such as the Vedas, Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabaratha, Jataka, Bagawath Geetha, etc, etc, you will find that in every text (both North and South Indian) the tribes Raksha, Yaksha, Deva, Naga and many more are mentioned NOT as Sri Lankans but as Indians. In Tamil Nadu you will find even place names such as Nagakovil, Nagapatinam, etc. How did the Indian Raksha, Yaksha, Deva and Naga get into the Mahavamsa? The Mahavamsa author has done a cut-and-paste job. He has taken the Indian Raksha, Yaksha, Deva and Naga tribes and converted them into native Sri Lankans. The only tribe original to Sri Lanka is the Veddas. The Sinhalese are nothing but Indians and mostly South Indians.
“Interesting to know what these studies are, who conducted them etc etc. I will dread the day I hear that the statement you made is true.”
There are number of studies available on this topic and some details are as follows:
A Genetic Study of the Veddas and the Sinhalese by S. B. ElXEPOLA* Pathologist, General Hospital, Badttlk And EUGENE R . WIKRAMANAYAKE Department of Anatomy, University of. Peradeniya
Blood Genetic Markers in Sri Lankan Populations- Reappraisal of the Legend of Prince Vijaya By N.SAHA Department of Physiology, Faculty of Medicine, National University of Singapore,
Blood Groups of the Sinhalese
Author(s): D. F. Roberts, C. K. Creen, K. P. Abeyaratne
Reviewed Genetic affinities of Sri Lankan populations
Human Biology| December 01, 1995 | Kshatriya, Gautam Kumar
The legend of Prince Vijaya – A Study of Sinhalese Origins
R. L. Kirk, Department of Human Biology, The John Curtin School of Medical Research, Canberra ACT 2601, Australia
Genetic study of Dravidian castes of Tamil Nadu S. KANTHIMATHI, M. VIJAYA and A. RAMESH Department of Genetics, Dr ALM PGIBMS, University of Madras,
Peopling of Sri Lanka, an Outline Based on Genetic (DNA) Studies
By Subramaniyam Visahan
“About the sinhala women doing sakkili jobs in the mddle east, what about tamil women in Toronto.”
Tamil women in Toronto are members of Parliament…
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Ravi Perera / December 25, 2014
Anpu,
“This Ravi Perera is twisting the history for a long time.”
It is not me it is you tamils who have been twisting the history.
The place that gave birth to the Tamil culture is Tamil Nadu. )Presence of Hindu temples in Sri Lanka can not be given as evidence as having Tamil settlements. Hindu being an older religion, it is highly likely the original people of the country the Hela tribes may well have been Hindus.
You have quoted a whole heap of rubbish to say that East is part of the tamil homeland. Fact is you do not have the numbers or the historical facts to prove that East is part of a Tamil homeland.
You can not get it by military means. Your only hope is to convince the International community. You have been saying for a long time that you are confident of doing this. I know for a fact that the embassies in Colombo do not believe the Sri Lankan history of the Eelamists.
You talk about demnala gam bim in the East. There are demala gam bim in Colombo and the central hills too. Does that mean that the central hills or Colombo are part of the Tamil territory. I am writting. Your demala gam bim in the east was and is restricted within 10 miles from the coast. Besides you are trying to include the Muslims in to your group by the Tamil speaking card.
Here is a bit of history of Sri Lanka
Whilst it is acknowledged that Jaffna was, for about 300-400 years out of our history of 2500 years, a seat of political power ,it nature and question such as whether it was a “kingdom” or not and the extent of its power is still disputed among historians. However even those historians who support the view that the seat of power was, both a kingdom and Tamil Kingdom are at once in agreeing that it was a kingdom of fluctuating fortunes, the territory of which was largely confined to the Jaffna Peninsula and never extended to the Eastern Province.
As Professor K M De Silva said
A Tamil kingdom did exist from the the 13th century to the early part of the 17th , but except during a brief heyday of its power it seldom controlled anything more than the Jaffna Peninsula., and some adjacent regions on the coast and some parts of the interior.
Set against a history of 2500 yrs the independent existent of this kingdom covered a very brief period, and even during this period its status and influence varied dramatically; at times a very powerful kingdom; at others a satellite of expanding Dravidians States across the Palk straight, and at times subjugated by the Kotte Kingdom, and generally acknowledging its suzerainty.
There is little or no evidence to support the claim made in the TULF Vaddukodai resolution that there was either an unbroken national consciousness or a continuing tradition of independent statehood.
Professor CR De Silva said ;
A separate kingdom in Jaffna existed in Sri Lanka from about the 13th century to 1619. During Certain periods the kingdom was so powerful that for a brief period it captured power in the western seaboard almost up to the environs of Colombo.
But for most parts of of the 400 yrs it was a rather week kingdom confined to the environs of the Jaffna Peninsula. It never wielded power in the present day Eastern Province.
Nor was it always independent, for it often acknowledged the sovereignty of the dominant power in south India and was once overwhelmed by a Sinhala army from the south.
But most significantly the Tamil kings of North did not think of them as separate rulers of Tamil Kingdom. They like all the other Sinhala kings aimed ultimately at being the Monarc of all Sri Lanka.
The first ground on which a secessionist claims the Northern and Eastern provinces as being the traditional homeland is demonstrably false.
The second and the only other ground on which this claim is made is that there is in the Northern and Eastern Provinces, the boundaries of which were drawn by the British purely for their administrative purposes .
There is clearly no justification for once racial group claiming proprietary , exclusive rights over the others within these two boundaries set artificially by the British merely because there are more members of that group over the others. If there is any validity in such contention it would follow with even greater force from the same principle, since there is and always has been within the natural borders of Sri Lanka, am overwhelming preponderance of Sinhalese, the entirety of Sri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhalese.
Whilst Tamils are an overwhelming majority in the North the same can not be said about the Eastern Province. Muslims and the Sinhalese together constitute about 64% of the eastern Province.
Although the Sinhalese are about 25 % of Eastern Province, the Tamils and the Muslim settlements are largely confined to the coastal areas (Particulary in Ampara and Trincomalee) which are relatively thickly populated compared to the sparsely populated Sinhalese villages which are spread over a huge area.
Thus of the 22 assistant government agents divisions in the Trinco and Ampara districts the Sinhalese constitute the overwhelming majority in in 10 namely, Padavi Siripura,Gomarankadawela,Kantalai, Moraweva and Seruvila in the Trincomalee district and wevgam pattu ,panama pattu and bintennepattu in Ampara district whilst the Tamils constitute majority only in Trincomalee town and Tirikkovil in Amara .
Thus the Sinhalese constitute the overwhelming majority in about 60% of Trincomalee district and 78% of Ampara district.
This spartial distribution of the population was not a recent phenomenon caused by so called colonisation but one existed long before any Sinhalese was settled in the North and the East with state assistance is borne out by the findings of Professor G H Peries professor of Geography at Peradeniya university in his paper entitled an appraisal of the concept of the traditional homeland in Sri Lanka.
The pattern of settlement distribution assumes significance from several points of view. In the first place considered in the light of our earlier observations on the trends of demographic change in the Preceding centuries the pattern as it prevailed in 1921 represents what may be regarded as the culmination of a long drawn out historical process featured, on the one hand, by territorial advances of the Tamil population and on the other , retreat and recession of the Sinhalese population.
This , in turn implies that the process of “Tamilization’ in the eastern lowlands of Sri lanka had not penetrated significantly into the interior even at its most extensive territorial spread.
The second point of significance arise from the fact that, often the “Tamil Homeland” is being defined with reference to the modern administrative units. Given the spatial patterns of ethnicity borne out bu our maps the demand by one ethnic group for exclusive proprietary rights over Provinces and districts encompass extensive tracts of territory which it had never occupied (and much of it, in every sense is the homeland of the other ethnic groups) appears in its true light as one which lacks a rational basis.
In a functional sense sparsely settled interior of the eastern lowlands of Sri lanka was not a hinterland of the settlement clusters of the littoral. Both the interior as well as the littoral were very largely rural.
Hence, a core periphery concept is of no relevance to the issue. More specifically, there is no empirical basis for a theoretical assertion that because there was numerical preponderance of the Tamils in the coastal areas , hinterland, areas, regardless of the traditional rights of the other ethnic groups, should form a traditional hinterland of the Tamil areas.
The fact that the eastern littoral itself is not ethnically homogeneous (Well known but purposely over looked) is also illustrated by our maps with a fair degree of superiority.
The littoral is as much the traditional homeland of the Muslims as it is of the Tamils. And in many areas , the Muslims constitute the majority which has no common cause with the Tamils and in fact is bitterly opposed to the EAST being MERGED with the NORTH
Unfortunately for the Tamil secessionists there is not only a Total absence of any shred of evidence any part of the East having being governed by a Tamil King, but does not even have a numerical preponderance which could provide them with the remotest justification that East is part of the Traditional Tamil Homeland.
There is nothing these secessionist could do about the absence of a claim founded on history but to continue to LIE about it, there was nothing they could do about the absence of a numerical preponderance of Tamils in the east except to UNILATERLY DENY THE SEPERATE ETHNIC IDENTITY OF THE TAMIL SPEAKING MUSLIMS and equally UNILATERLAY ACQUIRE THEM AS PART OF THE FICTITIOUS TRADITIONAL TAMIL HOMELAND, just to give them the NUMERICAL SUPERIORITY; while at the same time alleging falsely that they had been made a minority in
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
Ravi Perera,
are you hiding behind sevuru pota with your foot in the mouth and distributing fascist propaganda like the free ata piri kanan??
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Kettikaran / December 25, 2014
Ravi,
So when you are caught with your pants down, you call it “garbage”
As to descending to the level of calling others “buggers” that,
Sir, is your upbringing and your culture. I have nothing to do with it.
The International Community you refer to, good man, will teach you something of Homelands soon. Do some reading on a Tamil King called Deva Nambiya Theesan a.k.a. Devanampiyatissa. Nambiya, in Tamil, is the one who believes. So that becomes the Theesan who believed in his God. Want to take me on that because the Sinhala extremists point out to him often? The man was Tamil.
Kettikaran
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Ravi Perera / December 26, 2014
I am not surprised that you called Devanampiyatiisa a tamil. There
are many tamils who belive that King Duttugemnu was a tamil.
There are Tamils who believe that the Diaspora Tamil wealth is 5 times that of Sri Lankas GDP. There are Tamils who believe they have the technical know how and the wealth to create a nuclear Bomb.
In this scenario your illusions about a homeland does not come as a surprise.
“The International Community you refer to, good man, will teach you something of Homelands soon.”
The above “Will” is a lovely hope at this point in time . When will it ever turn into “has” ? Will it ever ? Even the North is highly unlikely.
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Ravi Perera
Sinhala speaking Demela
“I am not surprised that you called Devanampiyatiisa a tamil. There are many tamils who belive that King Duttugemnu was a tamil.”
Were they both Sinhala/Buddhists?
Champika Ranawake believes the first ape spoke Sinhala, practiced Sinhala/Buddhism and discovered zero. Do you support his views? If not why not?
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Ravi Perera / December 25, 2014
Read the below,
Whilst it is acknowledged that Jaffna was, for about 300-400 years out of our history of 2500 years, a seat of political power ,it nature and question such as whether it was a “kingdom” or not and the extent of its power is still disputed among historians. However even those historians who support the view that the seat of power was, both a kingdom and Tamil Kingdom are at once in agreeing that it was a kingdom of fluctuating fortunes, the territory of which was largely confined to the Jaffna Peninsula and never extended to the Eastern Province.
As Professor K M De Silva said
A Tamil kingdom did exist from the the 13th century to the early part of the 17th , but except during a brief heyday of its power it seldom controlled anything more than the Jaffna Peninsula., and some adjacent regions on the coast and some parts of the interior.
Set against a history of 2500 yrs the independent existent of this kingdom covered a very brief period, and even during this period its status and influence varied dramatically; at times a very powerful kingdom; at others a satellite of expanding Dravidians States across the Palk straight, and at times subjugated by the Kotte Kingdom, and generally acknowledging its suzerainty.
There is little or no evidence to support the claim made in the TULF Vaddukodai resolution that there was either an unbroken national consciousness or a continuing tradition of independent statehood.
Professor CR De Silva said ;
A separate kingdom in Jaffna existed in Sri Lanka from about the 13th century to 1619. During Certain periods the kingdom was so powerful that for a brief period it captured power in the western seaboard almost up to the environs of Colombo.
But for most parts of of the 400 yrs it was a rather week kingdom confined to the environs of the Jaffna Peninsula. It never wielded power in the present day Eastern Province.
Nor was it always independent, for it often acknowledged the sovereignty of the dominant power in south India and was once overwhelmed by a Sinhala army from the south.
But most significantly the Tamil kings of North did not think of them as separate rulers of Tamil Kingdom. They like all the other Sinhala kings aimed ultimately at being the Monarc of all Sri Lanka.
The first ground on which a secessionist claims the Northern and Eastern provinces as being the traditional homeland is demonstrably false.
The second and the only other ground on which this claim is made is that there is in the Northern and Eastern Provinces, the boundaries of which were drawn by the British purely for their administrative purposes .
There is clearly no justification for once racial group claiming proprietary , exclusive rights over the others within these two boundaries set artificially by the British merely because there are more members of that group over the others. If there is any validity in such contention it would follow with even greater force from the same principle, since there is and always has been within the natural borders of Sri Lanka, am overwhelming preponderance of Sinhalese, the entirety of Sri Lanka is the homeland of the Sinhalese.
Whilst Tamils are an overwhelming majority in the North the same can not be said about the Eastern Province. Muslims and the Sinhalese together constitute about 64% of the eastern Province.
Although the Sinhalese are about 25 % of Eastern Province, the Tamils and the Muslim settlements are largely confined to the coastal areas (Particulary in Ampara and Trincomalee) which are relatively thickly populated compared to the sparsely populated Sinhalese villages which are spread over a huge area.
Thus of the 22 assistant government agents divisions in the Trinco and Ampara districts the Sinhalese constitute the overwhelming majority in in 10 namely, Padavi Siripura,Gomarankadawela,Kantalai, Moraweva and Seruvila in the Trincomalee district and wevgam pattu ,panama pattu and bintennepattu in Ampara district whilst the Tamils constitute majority only in Trincomalee town and Tirikkovil in Amara .
Thus the Sinhalese constitute the overwhelming majority in about 60% of Trincomalee district and 78% of Ampara district.
This spartial distribution of the population was not a recent phenomenon caused by so called colonisation but one existed long before any Sinhalese was settled in the North and the East with state assistance is borne out by the findings of Professor G H Peries professor of Geography at Peradeniya university in his paper entitled an appraisal of the concept of the traditional homeland in Sri Lanka.
The pattern of settlement distribution assumes significance from several points of view. In the first place considered in the light of our earlier observations on the trends of demographic change in the Preceding centuries the pattern as it prevailed in 1921 represents what may be regarded as the culmination of a long drawn out historical process featured, on the one hand, by territorial advances of the Tamil population and on the other , retreat and recession of the Sinhalese population.
This , in turn implies that the process of “Tamilization’ in the eastern lowlands of Sri lanka had not penetrated significantly into the interior even at its most extensive territorial spread.
The second point of significance arise from the fact that, often the “Tamil Homeland” is being defined with reference to the modern administrative units. Given the spatial patterns of ethnicity borne out bu our maps the demand by one ethnic group for exclusive proprietary rights over Provinces and districts encompass extensive tracts of territory which it had never occupied (and much of it, in every sense is the homeland of the other ethnic groups) appears in its true light as one which lacks a rational basis.
In a functional sense sparsely settled interior of the eastern lowlands of Sri lanka was not a hinterland of the settlement clusters of the littoral. Both the interior as well as the littoral were very largely rural.
Hence, a core periphery concept is of no relevance to the issue. More specifically, there is no empirical basis for a theoretical assertion that because there was numerical preponderance of the Tamils in the coastal areas , hinterland, areas, regardless of the traditional rights of the other ethnic groups, should form a traditional hinterland of the Tamil areas.
The fact that the eastern littoral itself is not ethnically homogeneous (Well known but purposely over looked) is also illustrated by our maps with a fair degree of superiority.
The littoral is as much the traditional homeland of the Muslims as it is of the Tamils. And in many areas , the Muslims constitute the majority which has no common cause with the Tamils and in fact is bitterly opposed to the EAST being MERGED with the NORTH
Unfortunately for the Tamil secessionists there is not only a Total absence of any shred of evidence any part of the East having being governed by a Tamil King, but does not even have a numerical preponderance which could provide them with the remotest justification that East is part of the Traditional Tamil Homeland.
There is nothing these secessionist could do about the absence of a claim founded on history but to continue to LIE about it, there was nothing they could do about the absence of a numerical preponderance of Tamils in the east except to UNILATERLY DENY THE SEPERATE ETHNIC IDENTITY OF THE TAMIL SPEAKING MUSLIMS and equally UNILATERLAY ACQUIRE THEM AS PART OF THE FICTITIOUS TRADITIONAL TAMIL HOMELAND, just to give them the NUMERICAL SUPERIORITY; while at the same time alleging falsely that they had been made a minority in their homeland by the COLONISATION of the East with the Sinhalese state assistance
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Kettikaran / December 25, 2014
“Read the below..” This is the English and learning of our Super Sinhala patriot Ravi Perera. Mister, first learn this wonderful language well before you try to teach others.
Kettikaran
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Ravi Perera / December 26, 2014
I think teaching English would be more suitable for you than chasing illusionary homelands
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Ravi Perera / December 24, 2014
Replies to your other querries.
Burning of the jaffna library, 83 riots etc are not approved by the sinhala majority, just as much as you would not approve of some of the acts of the LTTE.
“We don’t mind you hold on executive presidency and continue with sucking the blood of poor Sinhala masses as your Mahinda is doing now? “
Thanks for being concerned for the poor Sinhalese, I am sure you would have been equally concerned when the LTTE was killing sinhala villagers in the East (Your ficticious homeland)
“You need executive power to save guard Mahinda family because he will have to face justice for killing Lasantha and removing power of Shirani who are also Sinhalese”
I am no fan of Mahinda, but I respect him for destroying the LTTE something which colorful characters like Gamini Dissanayake and Lalith Athulathmudali could not do.
My Guess is that, Maithripala will be the next president and it is highly unlikely he will give up the executive presidency.He is as much pro sinhala as mahinda, so do not get over excited.
” We are not worried about your opinion because you are bloody fundamentalist. “
Nor do I worry about your opinion,you are just another Eelamist.
By the way I am one of the few Sinhalese people who like to listen to Tamil views (Not agree on most things though). In fact most Sinhalese don’t give a damn about the opinion of the Tamils. You could see this very clearly from the election manifestos of the two leading candidates.
“You don’t know what is justice and what is right? “
Thanks. You certainly seem to know about right and wrong with the views you express about North East.
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Native Vedda / December 25, 2014
Ravi Perera
Sinhala speaking Demela
“Burning of the jaffna library, 83 riots etc are not approved by the sinhala majority, just as much as you would not approve of some of the acts of the LTTE.”
Okay, I take it that the Sinhala/Buddhists approved 1915, 1958, 1961 1977 and numerous other mini riots and the final solution in 2009.
What did the Sinhala/Buddhists do to bring the arsonists to book? Where are the stolen old manuscripts and rare books that were taken to South kept? Have you made any effort to recover the books and catch the arsonists?
Have you ever owned up to the burning of library, said it was wrong and appologised to people of Jaffna?
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Ravi Perera / December 25, 2014
Welcome Vedda, I new at some point you were going to entertain.
Thanks
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
Ravi Perera,
So you are dead on your feet??
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Ravi Perera
Sinhala speaking Demela
“Welcome Vedda, I new at some point you were going to entertain.”
Thanks
Have you ever owned up to the burning of library, said it was wrong and appologised to people of this island or for that matter Jaffna?
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
NV,
sorry to bother the hammering with ravi, i like to kick mottekaran back into the pit because he does not use a search engine but goes into holman jaffna library.
Will the pope do something similar and find the JT’s a place at andaman??
(it’s governed by nadu)
Obama and Raúl Castro thank pope for breakthrough in US-Cuba relations
Surprise breakthrough came after 45-minute phone call between President Obama and Raúl Castro finalised the release of US prisoner Alan Gross (highlight and google it if you like)
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Leelawathie / December 25, 2014
Ich wünsche Dir schöne Feiertagen NV.
Let s hope the best defeating MR and his regime soon.
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Native Vedda / December 25, 2014
Leelawathie
Ich danke Ihnen sehr (Thank you very much)
Frohe Feiertage (Happy Holidays)
“Let s hope the best defeating MR and his regime soon.”
Defeating MR does not bring peace, harmony and prosperity to all people, the common opposition is no different to ruling party.
Those who enjoyed power, privileges and impunity have jumped ships will continue to enjoy what they had before switching sides if the opposition wins.
I have great faith in the future generation, whose thinking & life will be shaped by global events and hopefully not by Champika, Weerawansa, Namal, …..(Mahawamsa mindset).
Ich bin ein Optimist, seine meine Religion (I am an optimist (its my religion)
Have a good time not because of religion but despite it.
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Javi. / December 26, 2014
NV,
“”(I am an optimist (its my religion)””
It’s good to dream. About 30 years ago I met a third generation very influential Sinhalese business man of ASEAN and he told twice he was let down from setting up business at Lanka.They all want to meet the president for security of their investment and it’s the same with Europeans. When I see the Lankan generations in the west they are less interested unless they are from villages. So with another generation the land would be different and the people would be different because we live in the present. It’s only a world war that changes the game eg independent Ceylon without a shot being fired- Opportunity makes a thief- DSS and his band of refugees with the JT’s striking off a million who slog it on the estates where the sinhala would never work in that cold at 4am barefooted. Then the rush of 83 from the villages to send back the arms and ammunition and the aftermath 2009- they blocked the streets of London to no avail- they are still labour class even with their riches. After WW1 the Jews worked hard under very difficult conditions with racism east end white chapel area; but then they are Europeans so they managed. Bangala was helped by Hindia with the intention of taking over a problem wing when the west looked on. Lanka has passed that stage and it will go back to Hindia the end is near like Sikkim, Nagaland that were never conquered by the Mughals. No one can stop it happening- because the islanders will keep on fighting and fighting as they know nothing better than croak_et. I am a realist and you have this Reality + Dreams + Humour = Wisdom
A song to Lanka:
I learnt already the tale by heart
I walked through all your path
You won’t change, evilness has got no cure
I leave in peace, I leave you alone with your craziness
NV Adios Bye and Goodluck
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Javi
Thanks.
You have written something for me to contemplate over the weekend.
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
Leelawathie
You never opened your eyes because like your first freedom fighters who hid in South India you hidden in the land of idealist=(reality+dream=Heart ache)
The square heads that get perfected by the Ironic Anglo Saxons.
I do not believe in God; his existence has been disproved by Science.
But in the concentration camp, I learned to believe in men.–Jean-Paul Sartre
They are men of discrimination because they have lived with their mind and body.
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
NV ,
Ravi Perera fascist Sinhala speaking Demela,
Is seated on Ice Cream with Sevura as a satayaka and churning out poop apron strings.
He needs a 1″ X 2ft steel water pipe up khyber pass.
yet another terrorist scumbag playing like the madurave.
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Ajith / December 26, 2014
“Burning of the jaffna library, 83 riots etc are not approved by the sinhala majority, just as much as you would not approve of some of the acts of the LTTE”.
Did you understand my question? I asked about investigation, justice and outcome. I know you can’t answer this question because it was done by your government, your police and your military as over 40,000 Tamils were massacred by the same machine. You don’t get the approval from people before committing crimes but people give approval after your crimes. We Tamils always concerned about people, law and order and justice. You respect Mahinda for massacring Tamils. That is what he did. If you respect your killer for killing Tamils and don’t bother about justice to Tamils there is nothing wrong with having a separate state for Tamils.
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Native Vedda / December 28, 2014
Ajith
“We Tamils always concerned about people, law and order and justice.”
Oh please.
LTTE didn’t ask for approval, they went ahead and did what they did anyway. The people either openly supported LTTE’s most heinous crimes against people or passively accepted them.
The Tamils do not have the moral authority to point their fingers at Sinhala people.
Tamil people believe they are a peace loving people. Sinhala/Buddhists believe they are the only adherent of Ahimsa. Both want rest of the world to believe them.
These two stupid people rage 24/07/52 basis and if they don’t fight each other they fight among themselves.
Please be serious.
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punchisingho / December 23, 2014
If Mahinda wins Tamils will get nothing. Instead they will be further oppressed.
Is that what TCSF want?
If Maithri wins Tamil will have an opportunity to negotiate with the new government and win some rights.
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Uthungan / December 24, 2014
In other word, there has to be everlasting negotiations between the S&T’s till the end of time with both hoisted on tenterhooks,is what you mean? Brilliant!
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Sellam / December 23, 2014
What advice the TCSF is giving to the Tamil population with regard to this presidential elections. How to caste their votes! Both candidates are two sides of the same coin. The present position of the Tamils is not created with the current presidential elections. It was started from the period of the State Council where the Solbury Constitution was adopted as a Parliamentary constitution with the endorsement signature of the minority leadership then. When the minority leaders wine and dine with the Sinhala leadership, they tend to yield to the promises of the Sinhala leaders. But those promises were not upheld. The minorities were kept as a second class citizens from the beginning. British parliament is also responsible and answerable for this horrendous plight of the Tamils for so long.
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Anpu / December 23, 2014
A bit of history
•The 1st prime minister, D.S. Senanayake, disenfranchised 1 million Tamil plantation workers retroactively within Sri Lanka’s first year of independence
• The 4th prime minister, S.R.D. Bandaranaike, gained power on the election pledge of “Sinhala Only” in government service. Following through on that promise, Tamils in government jobs lost their jobs in the 3 _days_ of leeway the law allowed. He agreed with the leading Tamil politician, S.J.V. Chelvanayakam, on a plan for mere regional councils. Following pressure from Sinhalese Buddhist monks, he ceremonially tore the agreement up. He was subsequently assassinated by a Buddhist monk who was frustrated at his slowness in promoting Buddhism.
•In less than 1 year after Bandaranaike was assassinated, his wife, Srimavo Bandaranaike, was voted in as the 7th prime minister. She was voted in with a majority, something that eluded all previous prime ministers, but she decided not to implement the regional council plan of her late husband. Instead, she continued her husband’s policies of codified favouritism to the Sinhalese language and Buddhism.
•Dudley Senanayake, who was previously the 2nd prime minister for 6 months and the 6th prime minister for 3 months, was voted in as the 8th prime minister. He also signed a pact with S.J.V. Chelvanayakam for regional councils, but Senanayake then didn’t implement the agreement. The frustration of Chelvanayakam following more than a decade of no progress for a federal solution led him to sympathize with the idea that Tamils need independence.
•Srimavo got elected as the 9th prime minister, and she replaced the constitution with one of her own. In the process, she changed the name of Ceylon to Sri Lanka (a Sinhalese name), gave the government control over key export industries, and created a weak president.
•J.R. Jayewardene was voted as the 10th prime minister. He changed the constitution again by making the president excessively powerful, and he made himself president at the same time. In response to growing discontentment from Tamils, his response was to pass the 6th amendment outlawing MPs from talking about separation from Sri Lanka. Jayewardene was the one in power when his ministers torched the Jaffna library and orchestrated Black July (1983) that signaled the start of the civil war.
•The daughter of the Bandaranaikes, Chandrika Kumaratunga, was elected as president in 1994 on a platform of peace. Tamils voted en bloc for her. She used that year to reinvigorate the SL military offensive against the Tigers in a manner more coordinated and brutal than anything seen before. The operation had the Orwellian title “War for Peace”.
•Despite, or because of, the relentless brutal warfare, the LTTE grew ever-stronger. In 2001, immediately following the height of the LTTE’s strength relative to the SL military, it was revealed that SL had bought chemical weapons from Russia. (In 2009, Tamils claimed that the SL forces used chemical bombs and cluster bombs, which are banned under international law, against civilians and Tiger soldiers.)
•During Kumaratunga’s second (lame duck) term, Ranil Wickremasinghe, the nephew of J.R. Jayewardene, was elected as prime minister on a mandate to broker peace. Despite the success of the peace process, while Wickremasinghe was visiting the US, Kumaratunga took over the ministries of defense, interior, and media and gave them to herself on the grounds that Wickremasinghe was giving too much power away.
•A long-time communist group, the JVP, adopted a hardline Sinhalese Buddhist nationalist platform in the 2004 national elections, and it thus catapulted from being a marginal influence for a long time to becoming the 3rd largest party in parliament.
•After the tsunami of December 2004, which disproportionately affected Tamil-speaking areas under LTTE control, there was an outpouring of assistance to the affected areas from all over the world. But Kumaratunga prevented desperately-needed aid from reaching affected areas for 6 months because she insisted she needed the time to create a new bureaucracy to distribute the aid. Aid was never distributed to Tamil-speaking areas in the end.
•In 2005, after Kumaratunga’s second term was over, Wickremasinghe and Mahinda Rajapakse campaigned for president. The LTTE encouraged and enforced a boycott of the elections (in contrast to their earlier support of Kumaratunga in 1994), and as they put it, the elections were thereby tantamount to a referendum of the Singhalese polity’s will. Rajapakse ran as a hardline nationalist Sinhalese Buddhist and was enjoying success in the pre-election polls. Seeing the success, Wickremasinghe started campaigning on a Sinhalese Buddhist nationalist platform, but it was not enough to get elected.
•It took 6 months in 2005 that it took for Chandrika to formalise an agreement on a structure that would allow the disbursement of foreign aid money to the tsunami-affected areas, inhabited by Tamil-speaking peoples and controlled by the LTTE. The agreement, called P-TOMS, was accepted by the international community. Those long 6 months it took to formalise such an agreement were the 6 months when the structure was most needed in a timely manner in light of such a sudden disaster. The nationalist JVP was upset with P-TOMS, took it to SL courts, and entirely in the span of 1 month, the case had already made its way to the Supreme Court and was struck down for being unconstitutional. Chandrika wins credit with her international friends for being “reasonable”, and the JVP wins credit domestically for being patriotic to Sinhalese Lanka.)
As the history shows, all the leaders of Sri Lanka are Sinhalese, and the more they cater to Sinhalese Buddhists, the more power they gain. This trick has been performed consistently, spanning party lines, generations, and socio-economic ideologies.
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Taraki / December 23, 2014
…and you guys STILL don’t know what to do about it.
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Ranjan / December 24, 2014
Simple.First let UN probe into the last stages of war.And hold a referendum in N/E organized and monitored by UN. Let the people there decide. Why are the Sinhalese (both moderate and hard liners) paranoid about any investigation or referendum? Someone explain.
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Jeremy Ludikins / December 24, 2014
I don’t need to tell that minorities here, in general, don’t feel being equal partners. But offering solutions to infuriate a marauding majority, will only lead to pogroms that dwindle the minority population, in other words a good excuse for ethnic cleansing. I am not making a case for submissive conduct, but tact and diplomacy may have better results.
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
Let them fight because that was how the sub continent and even the americas were given away- last man out makes life easy for hindia because the island belongs to hindia.
◕◕◕Jai Hind!◕◕◕
◕◕◕Sihala Buddhist State of (Hindia) Akhand Bharat.
what it means is all these tatte guys become schedule caste on quota , no dpl positions no holding scholarships under the table no foreign trips.
Let them become cannibals and that is the trend.
Times have changed because India resigned the defence treaty with russia so there wont be a china card for lanka and a*se kicking will commence.
RSS wont let go and US will turn a blind eye because the land belongs to hindia.
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Sinhala Banda / December 24, 2014
All
Can somebody clarifies was the follwoings:
– Is this Bis-hope the one who glorified blood sucking LTTER monkey army when they attacked poor sinhalese and musliums in romote villages?
– Is this Bis-hope who hid some terrorists of LTTE monkey army to avoid advancing Sri Lankan forces?
– Is this the Bis-Hope wants separate cardinals for Northern Sri Lanka?
Majority of Sinahalese know very well, from where is Bis-hope coming from? You can hide my friend from people. But remember this Bis-hope cannot hide from the All Mighty for the good deeds he collected over last 30 odd years by supporting a brutal terra group aka LTTE monkey army. Ready for that day my Bis-hope!!!!!!!!!!
Also remember, this is a land with a majority of Sinahalese and they will decide who administrates this country. That was the case in many thousand years and will deifnitely be the case for many 1000 years.
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Ravi Perera / December 25, 2014
“Also remember, this is a land with a majority of Sinahalese and they will decide who administrates this country. That was the case in many thousand years and will deifnitely be the case for many 1000 years. “
You are absolutely spot on sir
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Native Vedda / December 25, 2014
Ravi Perera
Sinhala speaking Demela
“You are absolutely spot on sir”
Did Sinhala Banda hit upon his own and your stupidity?
Since the land is occupied by Sinhalese who are in the majority that is a very good reason for any sane minded person to stop the majoritarian stupid ruining the island.
“a majority of Sinahalese and they will decide who administrates this country”
You have more stupid people than any other minorities put together.
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Sinhala Banda / December 26, 2014
Uru Varige Booru putha (aka uncuvilised LLT supporter)
Do you know the meaining of a democratic process? Rather than blabbering recomments for every [Edited out] posting, please think carefully before touchiing the keyboard.
You are a [Edited out] disgrace to natives in ths country byusing that caption. You are simply a [Edited out] LTTE terra supporter like this Bis-hope. You have proved it many times in various forum.
If you have, please use your pinch of brain before repeating the same all [Edited out]
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Sinhala Banda
“Do you know the meaining of a democratic process?”
No I don’t. Please let me have your views on the subject what you assume to be democracy.
I love learning even from a bigots.
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Perverted Sinhala/Buddhist Banda
Here is an important facebook clip:
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=353945998058921
Ven Baddegama Samitha Thero
Southern Provincial Council Member
Inter Faith Study Circle Press Conference
2 April 2013
Please listen carefully and pass this link to your fellow Sinhala/Buddhists Aryans.
Here is a monk who can teach one or two thing for you to ponder. He mentions Adhivasin during his speech.
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Anpu / December 27, 2014
Thanks Native.
Very pleased to listen to Ven Baddegama Samitha Thero.
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Ravi Perera / December 26, 2014
Thanks vedda. Keep killing time
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Native Vedda / December 26, 2014
Ravi Perera
Sinhala speaking Demela
“Keep killing time”
Thanks for your advice that is what most of your state employees do in this island.
However in your case you keep killing your own people, start rioting when you are bored, raping your own daughters, running round with begging bowl to feed greed, hiding behind your women folks when you should be fighting the foreign invaders, writing for your own amusement, ………….. believing in own myth, …..
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Kettikaran / December 29, 2014
I am afraid Ravi Perera once again displays both ignorance and racial prejudice when he notes “You are absolutely spot on, Sir”
That the majority of the island are Sinhalese pre and post-Portugese arrival is not disputed. What is disputed, however, is your mischievous insistence because the Sinhalese are the majority they will continue to rule the country as they please. When the British stitched the Island together bringing the then existing separate Sinhala and Tamil Kingdoms as one
“country” for “administrative convenience” they probably presumed the Sinhalese will take on to the higher features of their democratic system and share power judiciously. Benjamin Disraeli, of the Jewish faith, was made Prime Minister of the then mighty Protestant Britain. Many Christians and Catholics then, as now, did not see eye to eye on what happened Jesus Christ during the Crucifixion. But the democratic process had by then reached adulthood where the majority Britons voted Disraeli in vaulting the prejudice barrier.
As to this country and her majority, there is too much of anti-racial venom in the influential and ubiquitous Buddhist priests they have so far prevented to enable what is just and reasonable to the Tamils. Attitudes such as the one you regularly display are, of course, symbolic of this misfortune. But this cannot go on indefinitely. World opinion will force a change, as it appears now, towards the direction of reason to the long held Sinhala prejudice and delusional fear of the Tamils.
Kettikaran
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Javi. / December 24, 2014
“D.S. Senanayake, disenfranchised 1 million Tamil plantation workers retroactively “
JT’s were a catalyst to this –
now it’s bouncing back to you in leaps and bounds.
annunta kala de thaman te pala de (reap what you so)
treaties are made and they are gentlemanly only and value only of the paper it’s written.
a small village in the land does not qualify for separation I think so.
this is the same as galle matara hambantota holding the land and people to ransom
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Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah / December 23, 2014
Hear Hear!
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Dom / December 24, 2014
The tamil issues are very doubtful for the country, But we understand the issue that currently tamils are facing. Therefore they should think that if Maithripala entered into negotiations with Tamils he will surely lose most of Sinhala vote bases, which would dynamically be shifted to MR.
Further if Maithripala wins the election, The tamils will have the opportunity to negotiate about their issues with the new Government. But the rights of tamil will also be restored per as the agreement between party and the new Government. However Maithripala will not agree on bases that establishes the provinces powers to be designated for north and east.
Per as the statement made by Maithripala recently, that clearly stated Sri Lanka doesn’t have Rome Statute legal binding agreements, thus they’re unable to allow such investigators from international community, Therefore they’ll do the domestic investigations openly and the case will receive fair verdict under Good Governance.
If Mahinda wins, Tamil will never get the opportunity to negotiate with the Government as he will continue to spread lies about the negotiations. Tamils will also continue to struggle under corrupted regime and MR Govt will never provide proper domestic investigation which he recently stated.
Thereby if you are smart enough you have to think wisely, Sarath Fonseka offered negotiations openly to Tamils and quickly he has lost almost of many Sinhala vote bases. We’ll not allow this to be happened!
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Uthungan / December 24, 2014
Dom
What are you trying to say?
Have you taken a snort of a whiff of the stuff that is now freely available with government blessings from thambili and kappura bola vendors and such sort down most streets in the capital.
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Dom / December 24, 2014
Read my comment carefully! MR’s govt refused to negotiate the demands that Northern and Eastern Province wants.
The Tamils are not yet free and they’re still under isolation. They are not mostly permitted to get jobs and there are no improvements in Northern and Eastern Province after the war. MR only has made the railway path from Western Province to North, This not enough for them, Even there are no better hospitals and they lack of medications, The amount of food supplies has been lowered compared since end of war.
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Davidson Panabokke / December 24, 2014
Father
Yes, Sinhalese leaders have all been always unfair to the ethnic minorities and Maithri doesn’t convince them that he would be better.
But, but, ….nothing can be done without gettig rid of the person who has not only insulted the ethnic minorities but has put the whole country in a mess.
So, we need to get rid of the person and 18A.
Then, fair-minded Sinhalese should insist on Maithri to change the course of all the previous leaders and give equality and dignity to all citizens.
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R. Varathan / December 24, 2014
In these times of racial prejudice, it is refreshing we have people like Mr. Davidson Panabokke able to think in a balanced manner across the ethnic divide. Happily, there are multiple thousands of Sinhalese, more in the middle class, who are blessed with this welcome capacity.
They must come out and express their views – loud and clear.
It should be clear even to the hoipolloi who get into the streets in the South, Tamils have reason to take the position this is more a Presidential Election for the Sinhala South. If either candidate makes a clear proposal in their own Manifestoes to move towards an acceptable formulae to the Tamils, the Sinhala electorate, long on an anti-Tamil diet, will vote them out. That has been our tragedy from the 1960s. Soon the Sinhalese have to be educated, by all sides including the influential Buddhist hierarchy, to overcome this malignant prejudice and take steps to keep their Tamil cousins within the National fold. Fortunately, we see signs of this in the recent past. In 1972 we are supposed to have built a new country but we failed to make a NEW Sri Lankan Nation. The tumult and political disorder in the interim period is evidence enough of this. It is time we do this – after Jan 08, as a high priority. If we fail this time subsequent events may overwhelm us. Issues like East Timor, Kosovo herald a new approach in the world to contentious plural States in perpetual conflict.
For the moment, however, the rational Tamil political leadership has advised their voters to actively participate in the forthcoming Presidential Elections. With victory, the winning candidate cannot afford to brush the National Question under the carpet this time around. We are in the threshold of the most important times in the modern history of this Island. I hesitate to state Country or Nation – because we may have lost our right to claim this as such if we once more fail to honour our obligations.
R. Varathan
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vishvajith / December 24, 2014
True.
Oh My Tamil Brothers and Sisters, how much the Sinhalese wish you bugger off. You,their perpetual enemy, just like the Hutu’s n Tutsi’s.
Our President is on record saying he has no objection if all Tamils are given refuge in other countries. I am sure he will facilitate this as a humanitarian operation.
No matter, who will win, you will be shown the finger. Our Army will coerce you day in and day out. A meaningless Omanthai checkpoint will be kept to remind you that you are the vanquished.
Soon your cultural capital Jaffna will be a Sinhala bastion. I only wish you well and safe passage from a country and it’s people, who don’t want you there.
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Kettikaran / December 27, 2014
“Soon your cultural capital Jaffna will be a Sinhala bastion” says Visvajith. We don’t dispute. It is half-done already – notably in the past 6 years – with the enthusiastic connivance of a politicised Sinhala army. But there is a problem for you. What you and many Sinhalese wish can only be accomplished under the military boot.
However, remember there are millions around who watch with horror the State-sponsored genocidal projects, theft of large hectares of Tamil land etc by successive Sinhala Govts. They are getting ready to prevent this eventuality. It is diabolical thinking such as this by Sinhala bigots, lead by the priesthood, that may eventually result in the division of the Island, AGAINST THE WISH OF MOST TAMILS HERE. It is prejudice such as this that has resulted in, at least in the minds of both communities, we are, in fact, as we were, 2 Nations occupying one Island for several millenia.
Also, do give consideration to the thought what you have seen in Tamilnadu politics so far (between 1960s to date) is nothing compared to what the Sinhala side will force them on to in the future. So far it is only a small fraction of the Lankan Tamil issue that engages Tamilnadu political competition. If hardliners like film star Vijaya Kant come to power there, they will insist on nothing less than a total bifurcation of this country – purely because the Sinhalese side obstinately continues to ignore the decades-old pleas of their own Tamil citizens.
The BJP under Modi is already planning to strengthen their base in TN by working with Vijaya Kant and colleagues, if you care to investigate.
Worse still is the fact, under poor foreign relations under the Rajapakses most Tamilnadu has now become anti-Sinhalese.
Let me add, Lankan Tamils do not go with this entirely. They still hope the Sinhala South will come out with a workable solution – soon, so that the country remains undivided and, hopefully, fully reconciled.
Kettikaran
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Sengodan. M / December 24, 2014
Who says that a regime change will solve all the problems of the Tamils?
If Mahinda wins again, it will be the end of democracy in the country and continuation of his corrupt familial dictatorship. Do the Tamils want more of it?
What did the Tamils gain from the 1931 boycott? Again, what did they gain from the 2005 boycott?
Thinking of another boycott? For whose benefit?
Sengodan. M
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Dom / December 24, 2014
As far i heard from their side, That they have no choice to vote for the Presidential election. Because of the both candidate disagreed to negotiate in regard to the conflict that tamils faced.
They can’t afford to do the mistake again like in 2005 which they boycotted the election, As if they do this, Maithripala will have no mercy under his Government in event if Maithripala wins.
Even Muslims, Who faced racist abuse by BBS, Still they vowed to support opposition candidate for a bright future. While the Tamils are whining about their rights. They should simply have followed the muslim’s path.
You’re completely right, That MR will put an end to democracy in event if he wins.
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vishvajith / December 24, 2014
Here’s my take.
If MR wins, the Sinhalese will be under the jackboot of the Rajapaksa clan for the next 30+years. They will be controlled by thugs, rapists and murderers, as it is now. Living in this environment, they will plead for outside help, to get them out of their misery.
The winner will be the Tamils for they will get their Nation, As a quid pro quo for bailing out the Sinhalese from the Sinhalese. Sinhalese will enjoy the Chinaman at their doorstep. Tamils will look to their natural contemparies in India.
Tamils will develop their regions. They have a culture of education and a huge diaspora who will support them. They certainly have a culture of good governance, law and order etc. As of now, the TNA wishes the same thing Sirisena et al wishes. Good governance, law and order etc.
The folks in Kandy will want to get the hell out of a Sinhalese mess. The Nation will reset to it’s past glory and the three kingdoms.
What do you think ?
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Arul / December 24, 2014
When you use the word “Tamils” you mean the Jaffna Tamils!You guys never
lived or thought of yourself as Sri Lankan Tamils BUT only as Jaffna Tamils, which meant a very narrow minded way of thinking where you always
thought ALL other races, including the non Jaffna Tamils, were a lowly
class and therein lies the problem.
Well, now all Tamils are in a self made soup and it is time you thought of yourself as Sri Lankan’s first and Tamils later and vote for the common candidate to be able to at least negotiate on a new batting field,
and stop splitting hairs and confuse your flock once again!
Remember it was that devil of a Jaffna man “P” WHO SOLD YOU OUT FOR
$$$$$$$’S!!!!!You have lost your cherished ‘puniyaboomi aka Jaffna to the other side & this deservingly. You now have a chance to make amends for your own welfare so shake the hand of the devil, if you have to, and face the future.
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Vasantha Raja / December 24, 2014
These guys are absolutely clueless about the unique significance of this election. Your inability to judge the POTENTIAL of various political developments at specific junctures has been the reason for all your disasters.
Let me tell me tell you very clearly: In this election, mobilize the Tamils on an unprecedented scale to vote for SWAN. If you don’t, you are making another BIG mistake again.
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vishvajith / December 24, 2014
The Tamil’s default vote is for the ” Swan “. Whether they will bother to vote is something else. Then, someone else will vote for them, as done frequently in our polls.
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justice / December 24, 2014
Even now, five years after the end of the war, only tamils suffer the provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism Act though many are still in refugee camps.
Tamils are labelled ‘terrorists’ when they demand equal rights and protest harassment, assaults, disappearances, being found dead ,sexual molestation, denial of even manual employment avenues which are filled by citizens from the south.
Demands to produce those arrested at the end of the war in full sight of witnesses and who subsequently disappeared, are met with threats of incarceration in secret camps under the PTA.
Now the police and army have commenced threatening those whom they suspect will vote for the Common Candidate.
The words “human rights” are excluded from the manifestos of both main candidates.
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n.ethirveerasingam / December 24, 2014
The Tamil Civil Society Forum’s statement is, I think, an appeal to the elected Tamil Representatives as a whole. The key paragraph is below:
“To explicitly call for a vote for either of the main candidates will be tantamount to accepting a unitary constitution and to rejecting international investigations.”
The TCSF is not asking Tamils not to vote. It only informs them that their vote to either candidate is a Referendum of the Tamils on the two points that both candidates agree – Unitary State and against International Investigation. By inference it is what a Sinhala Majority of voters agree.
It is left to the Tamil voters to decide to which candidates they should vote for and accept the consequences or exercise their THIRD option, that all voters have the right to, not to vote. Let the Tamil people be informed so they can choose one of the three options.
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Uthungan / December 24, 2014
The Tamils should exercise their franchise and NOT vote for either of the two foremost contenders, but only vote in favor of one of the others
who are contesting the elections,especially for one who has publicly declared or has set in the manifesto that the 18th Amendment will be annulled and replaced with the 17th Amendment or something better than that and further that the NE Provincial Councils would be administered as set out under the 13th Amendment in terms of the Accord reached between India and SL in 1987 for a provisional period until the matter is finally resolved by a referendum confined to the two regions.
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Ramanay K / December 24, 2014
So Bishop,what can we do?If the Sinhalese are not going to treat the tamils equally,then there is only one choice.why dont you start another Eelam war under your leadership.
Oh Jesus! forgive him for misleading the poor Tamils.
Forgive him for robbing Muslims lands
Forgive him for being a racist
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Sinhala Banda / December 24, 2014
Ramaney K
Not a bad idea as this Bis-Hope has many track records on the same effort as Sri Lanka Defence Forces have not had target practice for last five years. Bring on my sinna load!!!!!!!!!!!.
You are a disgarced to any religon my Bis-hope. Thst is the the opinion of Majority in this country.
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Javi. / December 25, 2014
Attu patti _anay kukulo,
“Oh Jesus! forgive him for misleading the poor Tamils. Forgive him for robbing Muslims lands Forgive him for being a racist “
Your fantasy is War criminals and terrorist KP Karuna Douglas that you got Lucifer on your finger tips.
Rub that on your head and keep doing blow blow blow with the 3 in 1.
“bye felicia”
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Pandaranayagam / December 29, 2014
Ramaney and Sinhala Banda,
Please show some respect and decency to the Bishop. I am not a Christian/Catholic. However, I have deep respect for those in the
Cloth in the NEP for their admirable service in recent decades of the war. They serve under great hardship, inconvenience and constant danger. Some of them have made the supreme sacrifice in the name of Jesus for a suffering people. They deserve our respect.
It is not like those other “priests” who pay lip-service to their “aagsma” but are in cohorts 24×7 with drug-traffickers, Brothel owners, assaissins and other forms of racketeers – and now, in total contradiction to the rules laid down in their faith – are openly in the snake pit of dirty politics. Even many in the Buddhist public are ashamed of them.
Pandaranayagam
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Sinhala Banda / December 31, 2014
Pandaya
Do not try to preach what is good and what is bad when it comes to people supporting the terrorism.
This Bis-Hope has many track records that he has been entertaining the interest of blood sucking LTTE terrorists for last 30 odd years to separate this country. Yes Pandaya!!!!!! you are right he served the wrong group.
Even his preachings are full of poisons. GO and search yourself before advising others.
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justice / December 29, 2014
Dear historians all,
In what language did Arahat Mahinda preach his famous sermon to King Theva Nampiya Theesan (a.k.a ‘devanampiyatissa’) – son of Mootha Sivan (a.k.a ‘muttasiva’) – on that fateful day when the King and all his subjects changed their religion overnight – though they could not have understood the sermon ?
What was the language of the king and his subjects ?
This, if correct, was the only mass religious conversion of a ruler and all his subjects in the history of mankind !
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maleficent - Angelina Jolie / December 31, 2014
The amount of space allocated to this kind of 10th Century AD and 20th Century BC is the real reason why Sri Lanak is travelling backwards so fast that it will become the Kingodwm ruled by Rajapakshes for another 200 yeasr from now on!
As a country in the 21st century, forget about who came first and who ruled whic part of the island.
EVERYONE of you born in SL should be able to LIVE wherever you want and whenever you want. All Government institutions and Aparatus must cater for ALL Language and Religion to co-exist.
The government should take out the religious and language ascendency given to one particular language and religion should be dethroned and the constitution must be made secular and devoid of any inferences to religion and language hierarchy.
ALL peoples must be treated same and all basic right to live and prosper should not be curtailed by any means or even laws.
All development and funding should be distributed equally to regions so that no single region is left behind because the funds and development focus being on the majority.
DO THIS and YOU WILL HAVE BEAUTIFUL PEACEFUL country to live in.
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