1 October, 2020

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Islam Segregation: Our Secular Values Need To Be Protected

All the more reason, then, that a fearless debate is encouraged to protect the fundamental values of a secular society. Teachings and practices in some faith schools that undermine women’s freedoms also ill prepare boys for the challenges of a modern mixed workplace. Issues such as forced arranged marriages, and domestic violence condoned by the extended family, have to be confronted, not because they are exclusive to any particular religious group, but because they are out of step with our civic life.

Read more in the Observer UK Editorial here

The training course at Leicester University (left), featuring guest speaker Saleem Chagtai (right), was held by the same Islamic society which put up a sign separating women and men at a public lecture / Photo Daily Mail UK

The training course at Leicester University (left), featuring guest speaker Saleem Chagtai (right), was held by the same Islamic society which put up a sign separating women and men at a public lecture / Photo Daily Mail UK

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    i see a women in the second row and it may be a choice the women make
    why create problem when there is no problem.
    most secular countrys lead in suicide/divorce/serial killers/lack of morality …. i dont think we want that.
    all developed countries now are turning to be autocratic democracies.where the law is made to suit the homosexuals — yaa like in
    canada- where if you question homosexuality you can be jailed. and it is thought in school as alternative life style. We also can say if a man is
    having sex with a dog,then in another 50 years if these same people are in power- they will make laws to say this is another alternative life style. so basically if the majority are eating human flesh then democracy will allow it. so it seems when religion which has a higher calling like islam prevents and forbids immoral behavior secularist are up in arms. but islam is past present future and it says the same and stays the same.

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      jehan……………………………………………………….

      Hitchens: Religion is about power…………………………

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pJ-rWaEyw0 ……….

      Islam is no different. It is about Ulama, Mullah, Monk, Priest power, which the politicians and their henchmen exploit………….

      Hitchens recites Omar Khayyám, translated by Richard Le Gallienne:

      “And do you think that unto such as you;
      A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew:
      God gave the secret, and denied it me?–
      Well, well, what matters it! Believe that, too.”

      Turek answers: god is probable (which is more a deist point and actually contradicts his religion) and hints on something like an argumentum verbosium. Hitchens answers: you need to do better than that if you want to tell us what to do, how we have to behave – the essence of religion.

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      Jehan idiot, Islam might have been relevant some 1500 years ago in Arab desert , checking blood of dead animals ( Halal) & denying female even sexual satisfaction, men allowed to have 07 wives,( Mohomed having 07 years old girl as a wife) women denied education, women denied worshiping fake god Allah in men only mosques etc, but those are not relevant today,…………. if they pursue those ( why not) Islam will have more & more enemies within like Malala Pakistani girl shot in head by Taliban & Islam won’t survive as religion or anything of any use among civilized society……… The time is passing before you think, next 1000 years in terms of mans intelligence may pass in another 100 years or less & days are counting fast for Islam.

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    Turkey has been in the forefront of playing the iconoclastic role in shattering false Islamic beliefs spread by the medieval culture of
    the Saudi Wahabists – claimants of the crown for global Islamic leadership. The Wahabists have foisted so much anti-Islamic features in the Muslim world. Turkey likes to view itself as European and has produced many free modern thinkers and philosophers shattering false myths since Kemal Ataturk did away with the Caliphate – the Islamic version of the Catholic Vatican – in order to lift Islam out of the middle-ages.

    Mustafa Akyol is a widely respected Islamic thinker and philosopher whose recent book “Islam without extremes” brings forth a list of these popular false practises – including the hijab, sexual segregation in public places, stoning to death etc., I would imagine the usual fanatics in these pages will pour scorn on what I reveal here. I would suggest they get a copy of the book and learn of those
    good features of Islam so different from what they are trying to force down the throats of the unlearned here.

    ADJP

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      Mr. Perera, ain’t you trying to force Mustafa Akyol’s Book too through Muslim’s throat?

      Why are you so obsessed what Muslim’s do? There are literally thousands of Islamic books, but you choose the once that agrees with your Islamiphobic tendencies.

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      A D J Perera,………………………………………………..

      1. Well said. The Mullahs and the Ulema have used Islam, to establish their hegemony. Kamal Ataturk was the first in modern times to disband the Caliphate for good. However, during the first four centuries of Islam, there was a vigorous debate between the Islamic Philosophers and the Ulama, the Islamic Scholars, that came to an head during the time of Islamic Religious Scholar Hamid Ghazali, who wrote a seminal book, called the Incoherence of the Philosophers. ………………….

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ghazali ……..

      Al-Ghazali has sometimes been referred to by historians as the single most influential Muslim after the Islamic prophet Muhammad.[5]:14–16 Others have cited his opposition to certain strands of Islamic philosophy as a detriment to Islamic scientific progress.[6] Besides his work that successfully changed the course of Islamic philosophy—the early Islamic Neoplatonism developed on the grounds of Hellenistic philosophy, for example, was so successfully criticised by al-Ghazali that it never recovered—he also brought the orthodox Islam of his time in close contact with Sufism. It became increasingly possible for individuals to combine orthodox theology (kalam) and Sufism, while adherents of both camps developed a sense of mutual appreciation that made sweeping condemnation of one by the other increasingly problematic.[5]:1

      2. Revelation took an upper hand over Reason and observations. That was the begging of the decline of Islamic Science and Philosophy, and the Ulema took and upper hand…………………………………….
      You cannot eat Revelation………

      Listen , the Naming Rights…………………………..

      The Erosion of Progress by Religions ………………….

      …………………………………………… …………….

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w

      ……………………………..
      Uploaded on Sep 3, 2010
      Neil deGrasse Tyson, an American astrophysicist and Director of the Hayden Planetarium, discusses how Islamic fundamentalist destroyed the enlightenment era of the Middle East and why we should be concerned today.

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      Link below to the term ‘Wahhabi’ as perceived by practising Muslims.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quEpBoIS4vY

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    Correction – Sexual segregation should read as Gender segregation. Tku.

    ADJP

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    What’s wrong with that?

    It is very decent and a good role model for SL.

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    The basic is, Islam is the most stupid religion on earth .. It justifies killing non Muslims… it forces women to wear whole body covered black dress while other women enjoys the colorful dress world …It encourages
    Killing their own daughter , sister for wearing a denim jean or loving a non Muslim ….so what we can expect other than the above picture ??

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      The Athesit,

      Religion poisons everything.

      All religions are stupid and childish. Judaism, Christianity and Islam from the deserts of the middle East, and Hinduism, and Buddhism from India. They vary in some detail, and some are more brutal than other for women. It was really the modern secular and egalitarianism that liberated women. Even in the US, the women got to vote only 100 years ago, and the Islamic Mullahs and Clerics are in a power struggle with secularism and egalitarianism, to keep their power and hegemony, by controlling the women which the Christian Priests did for a long time i the past, and what the Sinhala Buddhist Monks running amok are doing in Sri Lanka ………………

      Read God is not Great by Chris Hutchins and the God Delusion….

      Christopher Hitchens Explains Why Religion Poisons Everything

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1lTR8V90qU

      Hitchens talking about his book, “God is Not Great, How Religion Poisons Everything.”

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    Why is everyone on this post bashing Islam? Buddhism is just as bad in the treatment of Buddhist Nuns! Buddhism accepts that Nuns are a lesser breed than Monks, even if they are more learned and holy. They have to sit on lower seats, and may not be served meals before all the Monks are served. If this is not Prejudice and Discrimination, what is?

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      Big crap .. Buddhism always accept that a woman can achieve any thing that man do. that s why Lord Buddha has established the Meheni Sasna for women in the beginning of Buddhism 2600 years ago…
      There are lot of Buddhist nuns who played leading characters in the history of Buddhism such as Vishaka, Sangamiththa etc.Lord Buddha is the 1st person who stood up against the exploitation of women by Brahmans in india .
      But when it comes to Islam, even a woman cannot enter to a mosque.You guys simply see in sri lanka that most muslim men follow all the clothing fashions where as Islamic women are encouraged to wear that black dress…Can a Muslim girl love a sinhalese or a tamil ? no their religion does not allow . If they do so , they are treated as traitors by their so called religion.a very conservative religion that does not translate according to the time makes only troubles in this contemporary world

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        The Atheist:- I am asking you to look at ‘Sinhala Buddhism’ today.
        You are talking about the ‘History of Buddhism’, which is not the Buddhism that is being currently practised in Sri Lanka! As an ‘Atheist’ you would not be aware of what is happening to the Practice of ‘Buddhism’ in this our Dhamma Dveepa.

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          Rationalist,

          I saw as kid, the practice of Sinhala Buddhism 1958. It is not Buddhism or Buddhist History. it is Maraism, and Racism with Monks running Amok.

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    Razak, you must be enjoying the non-Muslims bashing Islam with their Islamaphobic view. You took a irrelevent topic and made a circus out of it.

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    Issue here is gender segregation or gender mixing. Why every body is using this forum to bash religions. Forced mixing is equal to forced segregation.

    If gender segregation is forced in the name of religions, we could see clearly the new oppsosite trend of forced or pressured gender mixing in the name of secularism.

    Ask an ordinary girl or lady and boy or gentleman on the street in Sri Lanka what they prefer. Also ask them what they like for their partners, spouses, sisters, brothers and mothers and fathers. Don’t forget to ask them the reasons for their preference.

    Find out what people want, gender mixing or gender segregation in public places. Do a proper survey if want accurate answers. Then please comment without your prejudices. Thank you.

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    Men and women are physiologically and psychologically different creatures. The nature has made women to loss blood monthly and carry babies. The segregation is a respect to them and not an insult. I heard that during the Prophet’s time men and women were praying together in mosques, so don’t blame him for the segregation in Islamic world. Even today men and women pray together in Makkah Grand Mosque!. If seats are reserved for women in buses, it is only to make their life easy and not to rob their rights to mingle with men. The West which treats women like pepsi cans (crush and through into dustbin after use) should learn from the Islamic world as to how to treat a woman with respect (kindly exclude few culprits who sleep with housemaids mostly with their consent and very rarely without consent!).

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      oh how funny Mr.Ahamed,how the hell it comes Islam promotes segregation for the betterment of women.? All those Pakistani and Afghanistan Islam
      Extremists turn their guns at schooling girls. Thats why Malala who was fatally injured by an Islamist , had to run to the UK. They the Extreme Muslims always want women to use as sex tool Thats why their religion allows to have malty wives..Just see how Hilarius it is to cover whole face by a black piece of cloth and walk around in this 21 st century ?
      And anyone follows the Islam can honesty say that Islamic women have no any content to wear beauty full dresses just like sinhalese and tamils ?????

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        Atheist, Lets say Islam forces women to walk naked, will you be happy? Lets say Islam forces women to pray in the mosque, will you be happy? Lets say Islam forces men and women to drink alcohol, will you be happy? Lets say Islam forces men to commit adultery and fornication, will you be happy?

        If not, be a Muslim.

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    It is entirely wrong to let one male to marry 4 women even though he can feed them.How can one man fulfill the sexual needs of four women to their entire satisfaction? Prophet Muhammad had 13 wives and some of his wives(Aisha and another) were jealous when Muhammad spent much time with another wife . When questioned, Mohammad said he spent there much time to consume some honey. Then Aisha and other wife said “But you stink” .And once Aisha said to Mohammad “Your God haste to satisfy your desires.”
    If one says that Prophet Mohammad created Allah and he invented Revelations to suit to his needs can any sensible person say “no”?
    Getting married to many women is nothing but demeaning the status of women.

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