21 May, 2019

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Lost Leadership: The Three Mahanayakes Join The Kolam Dance Of The GMOA

By Shyamon Jayasinghe –

Shyamon Jayasinghe

The days of Ven Narada, Kotahene Pragnakeerthi, Yakkaduwe Prajnaratne, Madihe Pannaseeha, are gone it seems forever. The great line of tradition begun by Ven Sariyuth Mugalan disappears before our eyes. The Sanga is fast become a mere trailer attached to the corrupt political brigade.

Sri Lanka is full of political games these days than never before. It is Kolam theatre that we see because in the typical game the players hide under masks or pretences. The discerning sophisticate can see through the agenda but the undiscerning vast are beguiled into believing that what appears is what is. Take a good look at the recent warning by the three Mahanayakes in a joint statement and you will get what I mean.

Conspiring Cabal

The statement itself was a follow -up of the unilateral statement issued previously by the Holy One at Asgiriya. Hence, the hand of  conspirators in a widening game can be inferred. The conspirators tricked Asgiriya to come into the spider net and then, with enhanced confidence, went up to the other three Holy Ones and got them to sign up.

Our conspiring cabal are indeed ‘smart patriots,’ to use a phrase innovated by Dayan Jayatilleka. GMOA is already in their fold. GMOA, in turn, tried to rope in the trade unions in one collective assault on the government but hardened workers are street smart and they refused to be caught. Thus the GMOA’s ‘unending strikes,’ like the Permanent Revolution (nonewethena viplyavaya), keeps going sans the working class until they eventually get a backlash from the suffering people.

Unlike the GMOA, however, the monk platform has only one stated theme, and that is the preservation of the Sanga and Buddhism. The GMOA has the SAITM, the government international trade pacts and so on and any public policy matter they might think fit to include. When eminent economist Saman Kelegama passed away recently the GMOA even thought it appropriate to circulate an SMS that the Chief Architect of the trade pact with India has gone!

On the other hand, the Mahanayakes’ joint statement focused on the growing public shaming of the Sanga. The immediate provocation had been the public castigation of the doings and undoings of Gnanasara. Social media went viral on rampaging Buddhist monks. A simple mobile camera can capture misbehaviour and broadcast in an instant.

Professor Kapila Abhayawansa, formerly of the Pali and Buddhist University and currently teaching Buddhist philosophy in a Thailand university, wrote a brilliant piece that appeared in the Colombo Telegraph of July 6th. He has correctly spotted the game as he  questions whether the three Holy Ones’ statement is a pointer to the government or  a pointer to the Sasana?

The statement is supposed to protest at the trend of shaming of Buddhist monks by the public and  the social media etc and wants the government to stop the rot. This wave of criticism was provoked particularly after Gnanasara’s campaign to attack Muslims begun in 2013 and revived vehemently recently.

Listing Old Stories

Professor Kapila questions the Mahanayakes’ need for listing the destruction to Buddhist religious places, the smashing of Buddha statues and the theft of valuable archaeological  treasures buried in temples as among the untoward things happening today. These have been happening for many years in the past. The suggestion is that the widened list of undesirables has been meant to give a depth of context to Gnanasara’s BBS brigade and point the finger at the yahapalanaya government.

The Professor reminds us how even some Buddhist monks have been implicated in such destructive acts of theft around sacred places. There have been charges that monks have themselves been party to the  stealing of cash donations and tills in temples. One monk has been charged with giving such moneys on interest.

Auditing of Temple Money

It is no secret that we have numerous rich temples spread over the country. Kelaniya, Bellanvila, and Kandy are prime examples. Massive amounts of donations keep pouring in to these institutions. The Kalutara Bodhi has millions of passing travellers  emptying their pockets as an insurance for a good journey. These have been occurring for many years. The Kings of the past had donated massive assets to places of worship in the form of Nindagam, Devalagam, and Viharagam. The Asgiriya and Malwatte Chapters know that too well. I am not aware of any auditing of these donations that have ever been carried out in the face of such considerable cash handling.

Sharing Wealth with Poorer Temples

Professor Kapila rightly states that these rich temple worthies should consider sharing some of their wealth with the thousands of poor temples where monks have to battle daily for mere existence. Many temples in poor rural areas do not have many facilities to extend to the burgeoning number of faithfuls who flock to worship and to find solace. I know one temple in Pilimathalawa where the Nayake monk died young of complicated diabetes. He had drawn out a Last Will passing on the inheritance to his sisters’s children!  The villagers were shocked.

We blame the Christians, but their churches better manage donations and keep audited accounts. They also assist poorer diocese. This better management practice is partly related to the fact that churches are hierarchically managed under one unifying head whereas temples freely crop up and freely grow without any regulatory body.

To come to the ostensive theme of the Holy Ones’ statement, it is absolutely unfair to blame the government or the public or the growing social media for the attacks on the ill-discipline of members of the Sanga. The three Mahanaykes should have pulled up the misbehaving monks. I have many images saved that show how young monks in robes behaving worse than lay rowdies. Many of the latter are unshaven and they are seen at various protest venues rushing to the attack and unable even to contain the robe on their bodies.

Gnanasara represents the apotheosis of this trend. I have already dealt  fully with this guy. How he entered a Magistrate’s Court and threatened the grieving widow of Ekneligoda; how he turbocharged and spat filth on the police who came to bring him under control; how he organised goons to burn mosques. The videos have had wide circulation.

Violence in thought and deed is anathema to Buddhist thinking. We say, “May all beings be happy!” (sabbe saththa bhavathu sukkhi). That is our daily wish for all the living species. Is this what Gnanasara and his many likes practice? And what the Mahanaykes’ underplay? And, thereby, encourage?

The Mahanayakes don’t want us to criticise these ruffians and they don’t want us to call them by their personal names without the prefix,”swameen wahanse,’ (something like,Oh Lord). Thus, I have sinned several times by calling this bloke simply Gnanasara. According to the Mahanayakes, if I were to address him I have to say, “Venerable Sir”! The Police must first worship Gnanasara; then say, “Venerable sir, please don’ t instigate people to violence! Be quiet!”

To digest such stuff would have to take our sense of humour to impossible heights.

Isn’t it confounding when the Asgiriya Holy made the infamous statement that Gnanasara’s “message is good but his behaviour unacceptable?” In effect, the Holy was exonerating the blackguard. 

Message and Behaviour No Distinction

Message and behaviour cannot be distinct.The message is embedded in behaviour and the behaviour itself gives another message, namely, that it is right to verbally and physically assault another.  Hence, the distinction here made between the two things makes no sense.

Professor Kapila makes the point that the first precept of the Noble Eightfold Path is ‘right view (samma sankappa). What is this but one’s message?From that flows three other steps of the Path, namely right intention, right action, and right speech. This is the whole point: Gnanasara’s foul speech, and his physically violent disposition to act, and his very act of burning Muslim shops and mosques are an outrageous violation of the Noble Eightfold Path. The three undesirable characteristics of a person leading to akusal (demerit), namely raga (desire), dosa (hate) and moha (delusion) are personified in the images of young monks I mentioned earlier and Gnanasara. It was reported how Gnanasara is said to have verbally assaulted  Revd Watareka Vijitha, another monk, calling the latter, ‘balla’ (dog).

Is this what we are advised to condone? Is this why we should worship such monks? Crazy isn’t it?

Clearly, like in politics, in the Sanga Sri Lanka has lost leadership. The days of Ven Narada, Kotahene Prgnakeerthi, Yakkaduwe Prajnaratne, Madihe Pannaseeha etc. are gone it seems forever. Is  the  great line of tradition begun by Ven Sariyuth Mugalan disappearing before our eyes? The Sanga is fast becoming an uncritical, naive, vacillating, and gullible lot lacking in the vast reservoir of erudition that their predecessors possessed. Naturally, they cannot lead a vast population thirsty for the Dhamma.

I dare say, there are still some in the tradition of Sariyuth Mugalan in Sri Lankan temples but they are a minority and they, avoid publicity.  Publicity is what builds public and international perception.

Sinhala Buddhism is in crisis.

*The writer can be contacted at sjturaus@optusnet.com.au

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    wow! if you don’t know if temples are audited ( they are) how can yousay that churches manage donations better … lol the bighoted christian comes out

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      In Sri Lanka the Buddhist monks are considered almost like Gods because saffron robe that the monk wears is highly respected by the Sinhala-Buddhist society. They are very capable of arousing the emotion of the Sinhala-Buddhist masses. They appeal to the deep-seated fears of the majority community about how its future is threatened by the minorities. The Buddhist monks and their followers are eye-witness evidence to prove that over Two thousand years of Buddhist Culture and very high rate of literacy (above 90%) has neither made the Sinhala-Buddhist society intelligent nor civilized? They have only ruined the beautiful country, like giving a flower garland to a group of monkeys.

      The Buddhist monks including the Mahanayakes are a curse to Sri Lanka. Right from Bandaranayake – Chelvanayagam pact (if it had happened at that time, we would have never undergone a 30 years’ war), they are the main cause for all the problems in Sri Lanka. They do not have children, they get their food and everything else on time, they have all the modern facilities other than wives and only the poor people have to suffer, send their children to war, and has to put up with all the chaos that is taking place in the country.

      Neither the UNP, nor the SLFP, the two major political parties representing the government, seem to have any capacity (a weak ruling class) to ignore, resist or convince the Buddhist Monks. They are Scared of being branded as traitors to the majority Sinhalese-Buddhist nation? They are scared of losing the next election? The poor country including its people are destined to suffer forever due to the Buddhist clergy.

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        They appeal to the deep-seated fears of the majority community about how its future is threatened by the minorities./// yes our enemy is the neighboring tamils who used to steal our resources and plunder our country and the colonials had brought those tamils here and built a 5th column.

        this has resulted in not giving the position sinhala language should have been given in SL ( status of Tamil in TN)…so sinhala bhumiputhras are discriminated in their own land.

        Tamil racists try to call these very rational understanding by the Sinhala as deep-seated threat to insult the sinhalese. The fact that india supported and funded LTTE and TN continuing it further proves it.

        22. The Buddhist monks and their followers are eye-witness evidence to prove that over Two thousand years of Buddhist Culture and very high rate of literacy (above 90%) has neither made the Sinhala-Buddhist society intelligent nor civilized? They have only ruined the beautiful country, like giving a flower garland to a group of monkeys.

        The sinhalese are intelligent and that is why even with millenias of barbaric invasions into their homeland they are still holding into their homeland which is the founding place of Sinhala language, civilisation and community ( which Tamils do not have in SL)

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          SAITM is a non-issue. However, the interest shown by Chief Prelate Theros is appreciated.

          Sinhalese Buddhists are facing a Kalinga Magha re-born era in the mild type. —– Our Buddhist Heritage is under attack from left, right and centre. The reason is our unity. — Chief Prelates coming together was historical and the support they receive from Buddhists is overwhelming.

          Ranil oversteps President’s authority in Parliamentary matters. However, to his credit, everytime Maha Sangha brings issues to the attention of the President, he accedes.

          ****** Mr. President, I hope you will see this. —– Is there any possibility for you to stall the enactment of OMP? —– I couldn’t keep a tab on that and I came to know only on the day it was passed “unanimously” which made me furious. Many others and I also have written elsewhere since last year about its grave impact on our forces. Mr. President, can you please see to it? Thank you!

          Parliament has lost the trust of the majority, therefore of no use. JO (minus NFF), which represents Ranil’s agenda is hell bent on fulfilling it at the expense of the country.  

          Chief Prelate Theros may have to take the responsibility that we expect from Parliamentarians and work directly with the President in all matters of concern.

          President, who seems to be thinking by himself and taking decisions by himsel has taken a strong stand to suspend or at least postpone all matters detrimental to the country. We only missed OMP. —— One has to have lot of courage to stand against Ranil’s agenda, to protect the country. —– The role played by the President is extremely critical to the best interest of the country. —- Therefore, Maha Sangha and the independent Sinhalese Buddhists should recognize, appreciate and support President to exercise his authority. 

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          You mean
          Sunday Sil ..Monday Kill ?????

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            If it is a a threat that we need to tackle, even everyday kill is possible..

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        Do you live in Sri Lanka…or in another Country…?
        Do you criticize the other beliefs and their guardians in this manner..?
        Is bashing Buddha / Buddhism / and Buddhist Monks is your favorite past time ..like shaymon Jayadinghe…?

        Kindly answer…

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      Interesting article.

      Dambulla daily income is supposed to be Rs 2 million. Gangaramaya is also close to that with all the rental income and tickets income from foreigners. No accountability for these funds!!

      Some of the churches such as Kochchikade have high income and the collections are given to their superiors for distribution among poorer churches and accounted for.

      In fact Singapore PM Lee Kwan Yew once said that all clergy, monks and priests should first take off the robes before they speak on anything outside their religion. Cannot understand what the chief priests in Kandy know about SAITM or for that matter the constitution or anything else.

      Ranil and Sirisena should adopt the tactics of MARA.

      Look at how clergy was made to keep their mouths shut in the past.

      1 gave BENZ cars to resolve contentious issues
      2 Norochcholai was resolved when priests protested
      3 Port city was resolved after protests from priests
      4 Kandalama hotel was sorted out with Dambulla temple
      5 very recently a diplomatic posting was given to a niece of a top clergy

      Can give many more examples. Money talks!!

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        Singapore is a modern day fascist dictatorship under the guise of democracy…..
        with 4.0mn slaves…

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      I think he is right. Even if they like Lions protect the fund collections, nothing seem to have done for the restoration and uplifment of poor temple structures. If Churches would not have done, they too can start auditing them. That way, we the people of this country can be aware of the facts and figures regarding those sums. What is wrong with that ?

      What have they been doing with the funds for such a long time ? Why is it wrong to go for an audit of the collections if not done sofar, from now onwards ? I think you guys interpret everything so negative.

      What have the SANGA got to hide from their ADHERENTS ?
      I dont see anywrong to audit them as felt by masses in this country.

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      I think Mahanayakas need to know lot more about the current situation of the country. We get to see politicians bring them offers almsot everyday but the small talks being held with them cant make them clear about the facts of the issues the country faces today.
      I think until this issue about the earnings of the temples just raised by one minister, not many had the least knowledge for what purposes those collections have been used from that day on. So, what is wrong with exposing about the sums and the work done sofar ?
      They these commentators to mix it up with churches and their collections would not fit here I guess.
      We the buddhist should have the rights to know what the monks have been doing with the earnings for their and other temples as a whole.
      The such earnings should be distributed to the poor of this country.
      It is believed, if savings of the banks are concerned, as the richest bank holders, even buddhists monks have been found in the respective lists.
      So why is that ?
      I really dont think buddhism is teaching monks to gather assets as much as they can.
      These taboo themes should finally be subjected to open discussions.
      Then only the acountablity of the issues would serve accordingly.

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      The Churches, especially those that have had a great deal of wealth passed on from Colonial times, but have almost no adherents, must certainly be investigated.

      We are forced to bow, genuflect and prostrate ourselves before the clergy of ALL religions. At least most people understand what happens in Buddhist temples. Yes, and it can be much worse in Christian Churches. They must be held accountable for what they do.

      I’ve started by making a general statement. Specifically it applies to the Anglican Church. In Jaffna, the community is concerned, and is protesting. In the South, this Church has ceased to matter. Find out what’s happening at the S. Thomas’ schools, and at Trinity. People just don’t bother any more. For parents with awareness (but no guts to speak out) there are the gargantuan free State Schools, or there some “International Schools”, unsupervised (like the Anglican Institutions) teaching in a language that passes for “English”.

      The private girl’s schools still have some teachers with some scholarship coming on to the academic staff.

      The Anglican Boys’ Schools are run by priests who know nothing outside religious platitudes. It won’t be much longer before all this gets exposed – even if it isn’t by me!

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        Christian / Catholic / Anglican churches own the best properties in Colombo…..and other cities…knowing the History of Christian/ Catholics faiths in Sri Lanka ..how did they come to possess such properties valued at Billions of US $ today….

        Why no one questions about their ” PIN KATEYS…”

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          Dear Lion,

          Part ONE of response

          Two very different explanations for this wealth, and you’ve got to add a third group.

          Catholicism is a living religion in the country with well over a million adherents. That came about because Portuguese determination to spread the religion was so genuine a concern that they encouraged inter-marriage with the two native populations. The Dutch didn’t – so have you heard recently of any “Good Burghers” as they were called. They went off to Australia when those guys had a racist immigration policy in the 1960s.

          Fisher folk probably converted AWAY from Buddhism where Ahimsa figures prominently.

          The British found Catholics useful for middle level employment, and they ran schools for such people throughout the country, and acquired property at a time when prices were low.

          SUPERSTITION reigns among Catholics, and the many poor among them give generously – they really believe in life after death.

          The Anglicans have always been an elite group. In British times, it was the METHODISTS who tried sincerely to convert. They ran “Vernacular Schools” in all towns, even villages. They were like cattle sheds – I remember what they were before take over, but the sincerity and commitment were there. Today Methodists outnumber Anglicans – only just.

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            S.M.
            “Catholicism is a living religion in the country with well over a million adherents. That came about because Portuguese determination to spread the religion was so genuine a concern that they encouraged inter-marriage with the two native populations.”
            Interesting that the Portuguese were the least racist of the colonial occupiers, even though they come in for a lot of flak from Buddhists.
            True that the “good” Burghers were racist towards the “shoemakers” who couldn’t enter Australia and also that the coastal folk didn’t need to be converted by force, considering their being looked down upon by the upper castes and being restricted from entering other occupations.

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    We understand that your anti-Sinhalese and anti-Buddhist policies an advocated by that you want to destroy our nation 2600 years civilization must stop ! You are too small for that >
    Only you little Englishmen of English is not quite well enough destroy ours civilization.
    Your irresponsible and irrelevant writing is more or less involuntary- interest we understand INTENTION OF VERY WELL!!!

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      What kind of civilization you have been uttering here – could you please explain:

      1) They call themsselves, buddhists, and then sinhala buddhist, on and on, but today, there are numbers of fathers that have been alleged to have raped their own daughters. All because the mothers have been exported as cheap labor to middle east oil countries. So how you expalin the civlization in such contexts ?
      Not just few, but the numbers are on a rise… drugs addicts, and all other high crimes are on a rise as no times before.

      2) Almsot there is no decency or respect in the average mind set – even if they have been made to leave the other with the sentence ” Budu sarnayi- may buddha s blessing be with you” – no means comparable the manners as had been in the country in 70ties and 80ties

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    shame on you jayasinghe, when you hold a position superior to sanganayakas offer your criticisms from afar, till then do something useful in your aussieland to be someone there. Obviously you do not know about sri Lankan traditions and cultures.[Edited out] investigate the issues that’s ailing the church first.

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    Another vile, uncivilised attack on Buddhism and Buddhist monks under the guise of ‘progressive’ thinking to promote reconciliation. The only good this is that such rage coming from senile ex-Sri Lankans will not have any impact or influence in guiding the future direction of our nation. Buddhist monks have undertaken that honourable role to the level of pre-Portuguese invasion in the 16th century. So Simon can suck his thumb and go to bed. We will proceed our own way.

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    Simon Jayasinghe, —
    As usual another load of rubbish from you.

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      No I think as a lanken citizen he should have the right to criticise anything right ? These topics have been taboos or not a single politician would tough to question sofar.
      But I think with the manner they some let saffron robed thugs to abuse the nation, it is fair Asgiiriya or any other so called highly respected theros but from funtion to have slept over the decades, to reveal the truths of the sums got collected to them over the years.

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    I want to be a Buddhist monk. Where do I join?

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      auto buddhist is a baldi then sit under a bo tree and the birds will follow.
      alternatively follow podi haudurvo style by midnight plant a small bo sapling anywhere in a compound where grass has overgrown then water it with fertiliser for a couple of weeks and as soon as it rises above the grasses just impound the compound – the buddha has visited the holy site.! you are rich then with all the birds that follow.

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      Nimal,
      Just find yourself a bo tree, sit under it , and you’re well on the way.

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        Donald, Romani shame on all of you! Are all Bhikkus like Gnanasara? You have made blanket statements about Buddhist monks. I suppose you will start back pedaling now saying no, no I only meant those who….. Too late, the damage is done. Whatever religion you are, your hatred and opportunism shine through your blackened hearts.

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          WE have soul !
          soul soul idiota paulina the heart can be seen with the naked eye on a screen.
          The venerable Gnanasara has soul too and there is nothing wrong in that.
          Wisdom(Buddhism) starts with addressing with the right term and it cannot be swallowed.
          You are a kattadiya to see dead black hearts which are red when alive.

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          “Are all Bhik liknaasar?”

          Good question: have you got the answer?

          “Sri Lanka’s hardline monks on Monday broadened a growing campaign by the Buddhist clergy against the government, threatening street protests if the island’s Tamil minority is granted greater autonomy.

          Radical monk Maagalkande Sudaththa said hardline Buddhists were mobilising Sri Lankans from the majority Sinhalese ethnic group to resist a new power-sharing arrangement being drafted by the government.

          “Monks are going from district to district to educate their followers about the dangers of the proposed constitution,” Sudaththa told reporters in Colombo.” AFP News.

          For an outsider it looks that way.

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          Paul,
          Just one example . Go to Grandpass opposite the Port entrance. Look at the concrete “ship” with bo-tree built in the middle of the road. It was not there 50 years ago (yes I was there). Can a Christian/Hindu/Muslim do this?
          No I am not back-pedalling. If you don’t have the courage to criticize your leaders, let someone else do it. Truth is truth, no matter who points it out.

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    Tiz a good thing thou livest far away, away from the rowdy Lanka….

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    Mr. Jayasingha,
    “The Mahanayakes don’t want us to criticise these ruffians and they don’t want us to call them by their personal names without the prefix,”swameen wahanse,’ (something like,Oh Lord). “
    These thugs are not Buddhists in any sense. Therefore one is justified in addressing them as thugs. Something like “thamuse” should be used, not “swamin wahanse”.
    The purported Maha Sangha is nowadays creeping up on and slowly usurping state powers and the rights of the voters. What right do they have to prescribe how the country should be run, when they cannot control their wayward members such as Gandasara? Or is it that the views ot the Holy Trinity are actually the same as those of Gandasara and Elle Gunawansa among others.
    We need a good clean-up of the Sangha, from removal of feudal attitudes and ownership/succession of temples by particular families to collections being deposited centrally. There is much more corruption in rich temples than meets the eye. This is what the three holies are trying to protect in the name of “Buddhism” . Sadly there are politicians willing to assist, and the goverment is petrified at the thought of a temple revolt.
    The Buddha would be turning in his grave if he had one.

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      Old codger from Galagedara seems to think that Sri Lankans are prepared to learn Buddhism from Mulatto land thieves. He grabs at every opportunity to have a go at Buddhism because the Jews through their inferiority complex, always like to insult others. Old codger and Saparamadu are a couple that will be buried in history before too long and we don’t care.

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      old codger,
      “”Something like “thamuse” should be used, not “swamin wahanse”.”
      You are tearing down the local wall to repair the bridge to economic success but it is fraught with danger. You need to deal with the faults of others almost as gently as with your own.
      He was clearly aiming at the gonibilla funding which has evaded them So the norwegians gave it to him- does it trouble you / it may trouble electrolux.
      Over the straits the world is simply huge and they are waning though Basil just picked the power that was in power but its no more and modi will win again.
      You have to pluck gonibilla off as in cockroach theory or you go boom. When you win the world is an oyster. there are 4th generation sinhalese at malaysia who know this well.

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    Along side Diaspora Tamils, and some Muslims in Srilnaka , these Christian who live overseas have been attacking the Buddhists, their Monks and Buddhism itself , as part of the Yahapalana plan to destroy the Buddhist Influence in the Sinhala Nation of Srilanka….And these Christians and their sponsors are the same people who demand that the great majority of the inhabitant population bend over to Dr Ranil to re write the Constitution to suit them and their Associates both local and overseas……..As Dr Dhammnanda Thero of the Asgiriya Chapter pointed out, the “drafts” are in place…….. And Dr Ranil PhD from Melbourne, is ready to buy the votes of the Kotte mob, with very handsome Santhosams , already awarded to them……That leaves only the GMOA and the Tri Sanga Mahanayakas to save this 2500 year Nation from Partitioning , according to the UN and West designed boundaries…. I don’t think it is a laughing matter as far as the great majority of the inhabitant population is concerned…….At least the great majority can breathe a sigh of relief now because the Mahanayakas have come forward to protect them and their Nation…….

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    Very well said. The truth and nothing but the truth! Expose the humbugs

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    Cannot agree more with Old Codger. There is an urgent need for cleansing the Sanga. Educated monks must come to the top and not fossilized feudal ones. These Mahanayakes also criticize the new constitution although no draft is yet out and no final decisions have been made. leave alone education they have no simple common sense.

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    “This better management practice is partly related to the fact that churches are hierarchically managed under one unifying head whereas temples freely crop up and freely grow without any regulatory body.”

    Now it is not temples that are freely growing without any regulatory body but Mosques. In fact, hundreds of temples in rural areas have been abandoned due to lack of monks.

    You mention few monks as role models. We also should not forget the monks like Ven Wariyapola Sumangala, Kudapola Hamuduruwo who gave the leadership to fight against colonial bastards.

    Who is manipulating Gnanasara has been fully exposed. When President Rajapakse wanted to put Gnanasara behind bars, Champuka had threaten to bring monks to the street.

    Among the clergy In any religion there are rotten apples. If one look at the events in the world, Buddhists are the least violent. White Christians have committed the worst crimes against humanity. Hitler’s army eliminated millions of Jews. Americans dropped two atom bombs on Japan completely wiping out people. White Christian Europeans went all over the world with gun in one hand and Bible in the other hand and massacred millions in North and South America, Africa and Asia. Muslims went around with a sword in one hand and Quran in the other and massacred millions who refused to become Muslims. Hindu violence was well demonstrated during partition of India. Before Native Vedda reminds me 1983 pogrom, I like to say it was not the work of Buddhists but RAW agents to wanted to destabilize JRJ’s government.

    Evangelical Christian Church in USA has a program to depict Buddhism as a violent religion. They are targeting Sri Lanka, Thailand and Myanmar.

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      Eagle eye
      If you say Christians went with gun in one hand and bible in other hand converted the people to Christianity, likewise Muslim with sword in one hand and Quran in other hand converted people to Islam, you are no better than a donkey. This was the Christians propaganda that “Muslims went with sword in one hand and Quran in the other” now you are repeating on Christians the same. We don’t have to go for very old history, let us take the recent histories. Mogul ruled India for nearly 700 years and if they had massacred those who did not convert, today India will be a Muslim country. British ruled whole of Sri Lanka for 350 years and according to that period they had modern weapons like guns and canons. If they had increased the soldiers, gone village by village massacred the monks, destroyed the temples they could have converted you all at gunpoint. This shows foreign rulers respected their subjects cultures, religion and knowledge and those who converted did on their own will to have a better life. See today you are so civilized and if not for British you all will be riding bullock carts with your 2500 old civilization.

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        Muslims massacred 5000 odd monks in Thaksila. When British were living like primitive people, Sinhalese had one of the most advanced hydraulic civilization in the North-Central part of Sri Lanka. Sinhalese did not become civilized because of British.

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    Established religions-Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhist- are basically built and maintained by power. Those in authority amass wealth and are free from taxation. To sustain power they protect the corrupt within their ranks.I think all religious funds should enjoy no privilege about taxation

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      Punsiri,
      “Established religions-Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhist- are basically built and maintained by power.”
      Yes, the root of all this is privilege extended to religion. There is no logical reason why religions should be tax-free, or why they should enjoy discounts on utility bills. It should not be the government’s business to promote any religion. There is also the practice of making religion compulsory at exams. What happens to the kids of parents who prefer not to believe? They get automatically brainwashed back into the System. So we have a large pool of unquestioning faithful who will listen to this extremely holy all-knowing trio of robed usurpers.

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        old codger,
        Its clearly the two crusading faiths from the same stone that has hit asia and in an endeavour to stop this taking shape vigorously when libtards like the Clintons and Obama promoted the goni billa crusade the hindus and buddhist alike raised their head as in the war on the deccan plateau and all india by Bhonsle dynasty the last warriors of India.
        Discounts on utility bills are small mercies afforded to communities so that a degree of humanity is maintained. Learning a philosophy and customs is helpful to add to a disciplined society while religion is an emotional thing and should never be made compulsory. Questioning is a western nomads habit and yet we have no answers to many things so they now use LGBT to capture the rest of the world.
        Economy is important and there is nothing like the laughing buddha to give one that.

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          Garuda,
          “Its clearly the two crusading faiths from the same stone that has hit asia “
          All the faiths (crusading included) originated in Asia, West and South.
          ” Questioning is a western nomads habit and yet we have no answers to many things”
          It is better to question and have answers than to accept what is given and be slaves to authority.

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            OC
            Sorry to say that the East of Asia had more sensible and somewhat rational faiths than the rest of Asia (excluding Buddhism).
            The faiths of the other continents were destroyed by the champions of the proselytizing faiths.
            But I fully endorse your last sentence.

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            old codger,
            Answers are many and most are hearsay like the children brought up in asian and african societies.. you heard of papa tell me why stories for kids in the west? they really speak so they have a verbal virtuosity and confidence – the key! The japanese are said to have same in their language.. Indians do not ask questions at lecture time but meet the lecturer later to ask him- typical.- mom and pop is god and fear. you can’t change overnight . Chinese have discussed philosophers for 1000’s of years before Mao now they are just listeners and can’t innovate.
            Hinduism is not a religion as much as buddhism is not.

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              Garuda
              “Hinduism is not a religion as much as Buddhism is not”. Correct
              But there are brands of Hinduism known as Visva Hindu and Sinhala Buddhism and they both are rampaging around with vehemence to destroy Hindu and Buddhist civilisation, what can be done about that?

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        Wonderful comment, “old codger”!

        What crimes are committed by organised religion.

        Digesting philosophy, and meditation, will never be criticised by us.

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    Punsiri & Old Codger. It is in the nature of power structures, as we find in Churches and temples, to protect corrupt abuses by members of the clergy. In Australia, a Royal Commission was set up to investigate widely- made allegations about Catholic priests. It was revealed how priests watched over widespread child sexual abuse taking place within the church and how they turned a blind eye. The upshot of all these developments was that Cardinal George Pell, former Australian Archbishop, has been brought down from Rome to face trial. Pell is now fighting for his life. No person should be allowed privilege by the fact that he is a pillar of some religion. Ordinary people must be protected from violators of the law by anyone -be it a priest, a monk, or a Mullah.

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      Shyamon,

      So. how do we address these Christian fathers who abuse children. Hi Gay Father!

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        I suppose the same way you address gay monks in your own backyard! you do not need shyamon’s advice for this

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        Eagle,
        Those who abuse children are Paedophiles, not gays.If you want to know the difference, go to the nearest temple with a child and see who gets abused.

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      So Shyamon Jayasinghe you promote LGBT towards Asia and Africa?
      Media Jimmy Savile was known while at it
      Michael Barrymore was known at it now he is down under.
      The French and Spanish culture are different ever thought about culture before tooting and hooting?

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      Poor Cardinal Pell…..Shaymon surely didn’t go to an Elite Boys School , unlike his mates Yahapalana PM , Ex Foreign Minister and the UNP Treasurer Samare….

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    Three things can be cited to current status of unwanted elevation of the Buddhist Brahmans or the Ayatollahs.

    1. Tamils knows a part of this. Sangam time the highly educated Tamil society had ridden into philosophical mood. When they happened to see philosophical religions like Buddhism and Jainism, TN voluntarily plunged into these religions overnight. Overnight TN lost its religion, its culture, wealth, uniqueness, even their education all gone. People learned only to watch the empty mouth of the excessive talking monks. Revolution cleaned it and religious freedom was established. Lot of recovery is in layman education shows in Thevara Kalam. What happens here is people are preached with Einstein, Newton theory by these hypocrisy monks. That doesn’t reach the laymen level and the end is people just elevate the organizational leaders as gods. Organized- philosophical religions inject religious hormones into the societies and cause deform and mul-shape of the society. “Alavukku Minchinaal Amirthamum Nanchu”(lifesaving nectar also becomes poison when it is excessive).

    2. Without economy backup, government providing free facilities for constituencies. This produces a shadow communism effect, without control. People stand on the road and talk about religion, culture and politics with their limited knowledge, an important fertile ground to pogrom guided governing system. In the West, where these all have been experienced with the growth of civilization, and where about 50% to 60% graduates students, things are evaluated in their perspective. Poverty- unemployment-Free feeding-Religion is a vicious circle chain. When it ends at religion, people seek ecclesiastical-divine solutions for their problems instead from education and logic. There, these hypocrisy religion only educated pundits assume them as masters of even rocket science, so they stand up and insert them to answer to those unrelated questions sheepishly.

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      why is your every sangam bangam times only in TN? What do you have in Sri Lanka? Isn’t your attempt to create something that never exist in SL the sole reason for all the trouble and what propelled the Buddhist ayotullas to take action?

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        Buddhist Ayatollahs were good babies under Sinhalese Buddhists elected, Old Royals. They behaved very obediently and refused to open their mouth about even opening of Kandy race track. Had they opened their mouth, their places would have been replaced by one of the Old Royal extended family members, like Kathirkamam Nilame. You know Catholics, even without opening their mouths, stuck with Old Royal Brother in Law, Cardinal Malcolm Ranjit. Muslims Stuck with Old Royals’ two home aids Rishard and Hakeem.

        Now Ayatollahs propelled to take action by TNA’s Sampanthar. He was like a fortune telling Kuraththi roaming around in the North-East roads and shouting….” Kudu kudu Kudu Kada kada kada.. Good time coming Good time, Ladies and Gentleman secret solution coming, come out of the home and vote for “Home” the Tamil UNP, Vote for the UNP.” But the Sampanthar Kuraththi thought voting for UNP will work. He did know Ayatollah agents even murdered SWRD. The Kuraththi didn’t have the common knowledge that there are snakes in the hidden bushes. That is why Tamils action created the current mess. If Sinhalese had voted and brought Old King without Tamils, now it was UNHRC time to tell that only secular constitution is suitable for Lankawe. Under the ruling of UNP, Not just Tamils’ voice at IC, even the tongue of UNHRC is pulled out by Ranil. Fortune telling Kuraththi Sampanthar caused the mistake. You are correct!

        For your Information, Sanga got its name from Sangam.

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          Sanga is a sanskrit word, that came from Buddhist Sanga..And Sangam is a tamil word that came from Sanskrit word, sanga…..RATIONAL ( which means mostly non tamil) historians put the so called Sangam age to 8-10 centuries..AD

          And the real question is again why all these sangam and bangam only in TN? Why do not you have anything in Sri Lanka?

          Tamils’ heritage is very empty in SL, even in NE…why? Why do not you have anything here at all while the Sinhalese have abundance of heritage? Is not that because SL is essentially a sinhala homeland?

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            Like Sinhala, there was no language as Sanskrit. It was only a soup of Tamil and Indo Iranian Languages. Across India, Indus Valley language was used. Two year ago, BBC brought out Iravatham Mahadevan’s interview that he was saying it was Tamil used in those days. Sanskrit is a language born out of Tamil 3000 years ago, like Sinhala separated from Tamil 1500 years ago. It died after 2000 years. “Sangam” went from Tamil to Sanskrit.
            Lankawe has the Brahmin less Sathi system which this was unique to Tamils only. That is 5000 old Indus Valley system. Lankawe has Pathini Theivam. That is unique to Tamil Nadu. Lankawe has Lord Muruga worship spread up to Kathirkamam. He is not available anywhere other than Tamil Nadu. Kali worship and sacrifices are not available with Sinhalese. This came latter days to Northern-Eastern Tamils from La La Kingdom. (Mainly during Cholas activities.) Cholas’ Kalingathu Parani has extensive references to this matter. Pancha Iswams are 5000 years old. Last week a Bhiku had climbed down to Ravana’s Palace and the pictures were out on the Colombo media. Most artifacts found and declared as Buddhists’ by Appe Aanduwa is Tamil Culture’s reminisants.

            There is no La La Culture in Eelam Island. Everything you see in Sinhala Lankawe is Tamil and Kerala culture. Even after the modern transports facilities, in the cultural area, nothing of La La’s is coming visible.

            There was no need to have Eelam Tamil Sangam and TN Tamil Sangam as they were not two separate lands on those days.

            Further, Mattara is “Then Madura” which lead the 2d Sangam.

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              LOL Sanskrit came from Tamil. What joke is that? This is why I always say tamils live in a world of mytho mania where everything was born out of Tamil. LOL

              Sanga is a sanskrit word and Tamils adopted it from Sanskrit. There is no proper evidence to show tamil predates Sanskrit which is a very old language.

              Katharagama god became Murugan in late 15th century when Tamil influence in SL started more, before that it was a local god called Mahasena.

              You have Brahminless sathi because Brahmans did not cross the seas when Tamils crossed the sea from TN to SL. Normally high caste people did not migrate to SL. It is like how the Diasporas in Canada or UK function.

              Sinhala people are not myth maniac creatures like Tamils and very open to others cultures. Therefore yes we have a lot of influences from other cultures while still protecting the initial features.

              So my friend why dont you have anything in SL? All your sangam bangams are in TN..all you have called ‘Tamil culture’ in SL are cheap copy cats of Tamil people in TN. What do you have?

              You did not even have an emblem of your own to put on your separatist flag!

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            Every word common to Tamil and Sanskrit is not from Sanskrit as though before because European colonial Aryan supremacy. Both languages borrowed words from each other. Around 30% of Sanskrit vocabulary is derived from Dravidian( old Tamil ) and Munda. Tamil only borrowed words from Sanskrit, that is no big deal, as all languages in this world borrow words, however Sanskrit not only borrowed words from Dravidian but also borrowed the Dravidian( Tamil) grammar syntax and lexicon. A language borrowing words is nothing however a language borrowing the grammar syntax and lexicon of another language, is a big deal and shows how much Tamil influenced Sanskrit and not the other way around. Indo Aryan is the only branch of the Indo European language family that has got the Dravidian retroflexes. The Indian establishment and Aryan supremacists are very quiet about this fact and truth. The word Sangh in Sanskrit of Sangam in Tamil existed long before Lord Buddah was born or Buddhism existed.

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              Who is said borrowing words is bad? It is the tamils who say borrowing words is bad. For us rational human beings it is the nature of evolution of languages. It is the mytho maniac tamils who believe in some pure Tamils which gave to birth to Sanskrit.
              There is no record of word Sanga before buddha initiated the Sanga organisation.
              :))))

              So now tamil is influenced by Sanskrit…LOL

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    Thus they are elevated to god status by the shadow communism circumstances. Any the monks pretend to talk for these laymen, while their interests are no way connected to the political betterment of these people. This is why we see these problems in unemployed Arabian countries and South Asian countries. Lankawe Appe Aanduwa have to let the people to live, rather than bringing them up.

    3. Time to time in all countries, the political manipulation elevate them as gods. Right after Hitler’s Christianity, in Lankawe SWRD sowed this sin to his political gains. He loaded the people on the train rolling on the track built by Anagarika, to the destiny of chaos. America proved that activating religious sentiment is only an effort an election campaign. You don’t need 2500 years old culture for this. So to de-seat Ayatollahs, the needed are also an election that courageously campaign for secular government. Ranil has recently delivered a fear mongering speech saying that all safety mechanism for Buddhism is coming in his new secret solution and if the Ayatollahs not letting his secret solution go through, a secular constitution may be enforced. It appears he meant that his Yahapalanaya is better in implementing Sinhala Buddhism rather than Chitanta Old King. I don’t think without really delivering something though the constitution, he is hoping to fool those educated pundits. I hope Ranil is not putting Kandy Ayatollahs into the same basket of Sinhala Modayas. He was not ready to tell that he was the one elected by the people and implementing actual Buddhist principle is no different from a secular principle so it is the Kandy Ayatollahs have to recoil them, not the decision to change the constitution. This is not anything different from SWRD’s Sinhala Only.

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    Mr. Shyamon Jayasinghe It is good idea, the govt collecting all the temple money one Fund and allocate that money for the renovation of Poor Temples: and maintenance of temples. A commiittee should based on Sangha members and civilians should be appointed. These rich temples also lead to mons selling old temples and making their cash pot bigger. As you are living in Sri lanka you should follow this. People will help you.

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    The Buddhist clergy and the politicians together are a curse on Sri Lanka.
    The Asgiriya/Malwatte clergy are a selfish bunch trying to hang onto their privileged position in the Sinhala society, not to mention a certain kind of power.
    The world is changing rapidly, so they won’t be able to hold onto these things forever.
    Anyway, the spineless President and Prime Minister are ready to pander to their whims and fancies and ignore the voters who elected them into power.
    I for one no longer look at a monk with respect, unless I know that he is worthy of it, since that seems to be the exception these days, rather than the norm.

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      Lankan,

      “Anyway, the spineless President and Prime Minister are ready to pander to their whims and fancies and ignore the voters who elected them into power.”

      The issue is spineless President and Prime Minister are dancing according to the tune of Tamil and Muslim Politicians ignoring the majority. Majority Sinhalese want a new constitution that scrap Provincial Councils and Tamil and Muslim Politicians want a constitution that gives more power to them. Voters did not give a mandate for a new constitution.

      When Vatican interfere with politics, that is fine but when Maha Sangha speak on national issues, that is a crime. Maha Sangha are citizens of this country. They have every right to talk about national issues. Do not think that Maha Sangha are a illiterate lot. There are so many with Doctorates. Head of the Economics Department in Colombo University is a Buddhist monk.

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    We are constantly making the GMOA the issue to divert attention from the real issue, namely SAITM.
    I am not a supporter of the GMOA, but think that it is right on SAITM.
    There is no moral basis to expect anyone to play any cleaner than one’s opponent, in this case the government and the defenders of SAITM.

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      acrobat UK has SAITM style so it did not fall from the sky for over 2 years now and is over loaded ready for expansion.

      Still there aren’t enough of surgeons, GP’s and most can’t get a training as a GP.
      what is your grouse?
      Remember paralegal, paramedic or anything para has been taken over by innovation to stop the social engineers sending trillion dollar industry into private monopolies where they alone hold shares too. the minimum wage nurses are behind it.

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      Dear SJ,

      I’ve not checked gravatars etc., but if you are indeed the Professor of Engineering who uses this handle, then we have to take you seriously, since he never writes without giving serious thought to what he writes.

      Certainly investigate how SAITM is run, but such investigation cannot be done by marching on the streets and keeping so many STATE UNI medical students away from lectures, which 90% would like to be following.

      The way the GMOA is protesting endangers all Education.

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    Majority Sinhalese much prefer a Sangha dance to that of LTTE/ TNA/ Tamil diaspora kolam dance. Those who support the unpatriotic West worshipping diaspora (Diarrhoea?) can go boil their muddled heads ! Go on Shame-on eat your own s**t.

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    Why do everybody create a derivative termed, sinhala buddhist.. Isn’t Buddhism an Universal religion? After 2500 years, of Buddhism, the monks have failed to inculcate or spread it on the tamils inhabiting the Island. Is it because, of the derivative? If “Buddhism” is WIDELY practiced, and not the derivative, we would have, monks from all ethnicities and living in harmony.

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      because it is not 2500 years since Tamils came here :)

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        Most Sri Lankan Tamils are descended from the indigenous Naga population, however most of the present day Sinhalese population are found to be descended from largely low caste Indian Tamil immigrants. Many of them only migrated to the island a few centuries ago. Sinhalese DNA is 70% Indian Tamil. So when did your Tamil ancestors migrate from India?

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          who cares whether we are low caste or not! :D the point is we belong to the civilisational product of Sri Lanka…

          So what were these ancient Nagas were doing until a Java prince established Jaffna kingdom in 13 AD? Why there is no mention about them? no achievements? no historical evidence?

          why did your cultural cousins or blood cousins across the sea not even notice those Nagas? :D

          LOL and what happened to those Nagas, did they gave birth to modern day tamils in SL? But majority of the tamils in SL can trace their ancestry to TN

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      It is like Muslims in Sri Lanka think that they are unique and an ethnicity, when it is a religion practised by many races linguistic groups and ethnicities. They are Tamils with a dash of Arab in some who practice Islam. Only in Sri Lanka Buddhism is only associated with Sinhalese and becomes some unique Sinhalese Buddhism and Islam becomes an ethnicity. I can still remember an Australian asking a Sri Lankan Muslim what is his ethnicity and he went on stating Muslim and she was getting exasperated, that is your religion not your race or ethnicity . I am asking for your heritage race. Are you Sinhalese or Tamil, there is no such thing called Muslim ethnicity it is a religion. The officer seated next to me is also Muslim by religion and Arab by ethnicity what is your ethnicity ? This man still could not understand as he was brainwashed in Sri Lanka to thing being Muslim is an ethnicity and went on stating Muslim, finally she gave up in disgust and wrote Sri Lankan of unknown ethnicity religion Muslim

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    “wow! if you don’t know if temples are audited ( they are) how can yousay that churches manage donations better … lol the bighoted christian comes out”.

    I refer to Harapol’s uncouth statement above. It says a lot, why we can never sort ourselves out and be a progressive country. Every Sri Lankan has the right to criticize anyone, if his behaviour or utterances are uncouth and offending.

    It maters little what Shyamon’s religious faith is. What matters is the content of his message. He scores a Bull’s Eye here!

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    The new constitution should make it compulsory that the “Pin pettiyas” (gratuity boxes) at major places of veneration in Sri Lanka be sealed, with government auditors and chief trustees being present when they’re opened for collecting the donations.

    Continuous automatic video recordings of the opening and resealing of boxes should be instantly relayed to independent impartial bodies for verification and authentication.

    This way, millions upon millions of the monies that would otherwise have gone to line pockets of “religious” dignitaries, their hangers-on and kin could be usefully spent on public welfare.

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      Pin Pettiya is not a tax collecting box. People donate willingly. If people who donate have no problem, what is your problem. They can seal; after that nobody will put money to the Pin Pettiya. Coming out with stupid ideas.

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        Sinhala Buddhist or the Sinhala Modaya does not know what he/she put in two boxes(including the alm bawl too). One is the ballot box and the other one is Pin Pettiya Taxing the collection is not going help or stop Ayatollahs or those 8th graders buying the Benzes out of people’s money. . Simply, taxing, redistribute the collection to the others partners of the temples, the 8th graders. Further, from SWRD’s time, Parliament and the temple are under same management, the Panchal Bala Wekaya, the quacks and crooks. They both(parliament and Sangha) are one and the same corrupted institution.

        Unless a Sinhala Thirunavukkarasar is born and wipe it out, Sinhala Buddhism is doomed, no recovery. Once a Thirunavukkarasar is born, Neither Yahapalanaya-Chitanda governments or Ayatollahs won’t be able to stand up.

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      Should your proposed law apply to your Kirimandala Road HQ too, or it does not matter because they receive millions of CIA dollars?

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      It is possible to bring a clause like that, but how the constitution will be able to hold when China Yuan, Qatar, Saudi Riyals, Iran Dinar come and bang on the parliament door. Nothing in the constitution worked for selling of Colombo Pong Cing or Uma Oya.

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    Buddhist clergy have brought upon themselves this barrage of criticism by their [most of them] unacceptable behavior Mahananakas down to samaneras. Why do Mahanaykas require luxury cars to travel. These are cravings Buddha advised to get rid of.Even if they are gifted they should not have accepted them or having accepted may be use them for the benefit of the poor such as ambulances to carry poor to hospitals . From time to time history shows that we have convened Sangha Councils [Dharma Sanghayana] to clean up the Sasana at times of peril. Time is ripe to convene the fifth Sangha Council to demarcate the deviations and do some cleansing if Buddhism is to survive another 2500 years. Regarding the entry of Mahanayakas to the area of constitution making their right to intervene cannot be more than that of an ordinary voter. The sovereignty is with the people of which they are a part. Mahanayakas should know that we are a multi ethnic society and 30 percent of the people belong to other religions. The entire country has overwhelmingly voted to change the Presidential form of government.

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      Are you an Authority of Buddhism & Buddhist Monks ..?
      Can you elaborate us …the laymen …the acceptable behaviour of a Buddhist Monk…?

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    It is not Christian propaganda but it is a fact of life that Muslims went with sword in one hand and Quran in the other in countries they conquered. Islam exhorts its followers to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option. Here are some quotes from Quran,
    Quran (8:38-39) – “Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven… And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran
    Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Suras 9 and 5 are the last major chapters that Muhammad narrated – hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -“There is no compulsion in religion…”.
    Quran (9:5) “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them…”

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    Hadith and Sira
    Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat.” To be safe, people must profess faith in Allah (the shahada) and follow Islamic practices (the zakat and salat). Violence is thus sanctioned until the victims embrace Muhammad’s religion and become obedient, practicing Muslims.

    Sahih Muslim (19:4294) – “When you meet your enemies who are polytheists (which includes Christians), invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them … If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them” (source: The al-Qaeda Reader p. 19-20)
    India under Mogul occupation for 700 years almost became a Muslim country. Today’s Pakistan and Bangladesh were once part of India. If you add the population of Pakistan population (190 mn) of Bangaladesh (161 mn) and Muslims living in India (165 mmn) the total is = 516 million.
    Total population of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh combined = 1662 million

    Percentage of Muslims in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh combined = 516/1662*100 = 31%

    The percentage of Muslim population in Pakistan is 98%, India 14% and Bangladesh 87%.
    Obviously Hindus were forced to convert, there was no voluntary conversion as claimed by Ralli ameen.

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    In advance democracies religion and state are kept separate. Separation of church and state has long been viewed as a cornerstone of American democracy. In 1768 John Dickinson, one of the Founding Fathers, wrote following the American Revolution “Religion and Government are certainly very different Things, instituted for different Ends; the design of one being to promote our temporal Happiness; the design of the other to procure the Favour of God, and thereby the Salvation of our Souls. While these are kept distinct and apart, the Peace and welfare of Society is preserved, and the Ends of both are answered. By mixing them together, feuds, animosities and persecutions have been raised, which have deluged the World in Blood, and disgraced human Nature. In fact history teaches that keeping state and religion separate is good for both. Normally minority religions need protection not the religion of the majority. Only weak religions seek protection from the state. The demand by the Mahanayakkas of the Buddhist sects only show that Buddhism as a religion will decline without state propping it up. In India 85% of the population are Hindus, yet it has a secular consitution. The Mahanakkas’ should travel abroad and see for themselves how countries have separated state and religion..

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    Hadith and Sira
    Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat.” To be safe, people must profess faith in Allah (the shahada) and follow Islamic practices (the zakat and salat). Violence is thus sanctioned until the victims embrace Muhammad’s religion and become obedient, practising Muslims.
    Sahih Muslim (19:4294) – “When you meet your enemies who are polytheists (which includes Christians), invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them … If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them” (source: The al-Qaeda Reader p. 19-20)
    India under Mogul occupation for 700 years almost became a Muslim country. Today’s Pakistan and Bangladesh were once part of India. If you add the population of Pakistan (190 mn), Bangladesh (161 mn) and Muslims living in India (165 mn) the total is = 516 million.
    Total population of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh combined = 1662 million

    Percentage of Muslims in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh combined = 516/1662*100 = 31%

    The percentage of Muslim population in Pakistan is 98%, India 14% and Bangladesh 87%.
    The Hindus were forced to convert; there was no voluntary conversion as claimed by Ralli Aameen.

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      Anyway, what does Allah buy with the Tax(Jizya) money? Panama…. Swish.. …Belarus…Seychelles…Dubai?

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