7 December, 2022

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Mahavamsa- An Insult To The Buddha!

By Sharmini Serasinghe

Sharmini Serasinghe

Sharmini Serasinghe

Caution- The following is more suitable for the broad-minded and the wise. Others are kindly advised to pass!

Wonder if ours might have been a wiser, and a more ‘humane’ society, had our ‘ancient’ history, been based on Aesop’s Fables, instead of the Mahavamsa. For if not for the Mahavamsa, the Sinhalese may not have been endowed, with the reputation, of “Sinhalaya Modaya (The Sinhalese are Fools)”!

In this “wonderland” called Sri Lanka, and in this day and age, one still comes across ‘academically’ educated, and supposedly intelligent ‘Buddhists’, but sadly lacking in wisdom, who reverently believe, that the Buddha walked out of his mother’s womb, and walked seven steps, while lotuses blossomed, under his feet!

These very same supposedly educated, and intelligent ‘Buddhists’ also believe, that the enormous indentation, resembling a footprint on a boulder, at Adam’s Peak (Sri Pada to ‘Buddhists’), to be that of the Buddha. This would be in keeping with the conviction that the Buddha, was as tall, or perhaps even taller, than the Avukana Buddha statue, which stands above 40 feet (12 meters) in height!

Then, there is the ‘Dalada Maligawe’ in Kandy; most Buddhists believe, the tooth relic housed within, belonged to the Buddha. Some adorn the ‘tooth casket’ with mounds of gold jewelry, fervently believing, that they would earn merit, to the value of the gold they offer. The thought of donating the value of this gold, to feed and help, the poor, sick and the needy, that would be far more meritorious, never cross their minds!

There hangs a controversial question, over the authenticity of this ‘sacred tooth’. But then again, to those ‘educated and intelligent Buddhists’, devoid of wisdom, if the Buddha, was taller than the Avukana statue, and had a giant footprint, as on Adam’s Peak, then this ‘huge tooth’ could be his!

However it does not matter, if the tooth is over-sized, belonged to the Buddha or not, because he the ‘wise one’ asserted, that his followers must not revere, nor worship, any part of his physical self, nor idolize him. Had the Buddha wanted otherwise, he would have left not just a tooth, but his entire skeleton, for his followers to worship.

The annual Esala Perahera, in Kandy, is yet another case in point. This colourful and spectacular ‘parade’ of the ‘tooth relic’, atop a magnificent elephant, is nothing but an ego-boosting exercise, of small minded men of yore, and now, a tradition of small minded men of the present. The ‘Esala Perahera’ therefore, is no relation of Buddhism!

Then there are also those ‘Buddhists’, who on Full Moon (Poya) days, make a bee-line draped in white, to the temple, to ‘pray’ to ‘God Buddha’. They piously recite the ‘Five Precepts’ and other Buddhist verses, as in ‘praying’, facing a perceived image, of the miracle performing ‘God Buddha’. The Five Precepts- the basic code of ethics that the Buddhist laity, is required to abide by, cease to hold any value, beyond the temple gates!

They offer flowers, to clay and stone images of the Buddha, and light oil lamps, as it is an idée recue; believing by doing so, one earns enormous merit. Little do they understand the significance, of such customs; they fail to connect the similarity of flowers and the oil lamp, with their impermanent life – ‘anicca’.

Then they also go on to bathe the ‘Bo tree’ (Bodhi Puja), with pots of water, thereby encouraging tree-rot, expecting the ‘holy’ tree’ under which ‘God Buddha’ attained enlightenment, to bestow merit upon them to. During trying times, unable to accept their ‘karma’, they once again flood the ‘Bo tree’, expecting deliverance from their misery.

When this unique ‘brand’ of Sinhala/Mahavamsa-Buddhism fails to deliver, they next make a bee-line, to a Hindu kovil, break coconuts, praying for miracles, as well as cursing and damning to hell, fellow human beings. Then off they go, to a Christian church and light candles and then, to Sai Baba or even a Mosque (I have no idea what they do there). At all these places, promises (vows) are made, to various Gods, on a quid pro quo basis. Some, even resort to animal sacrifice!

Then, there are also those who believe, that the Mahawamsa was authored, by the Buddha himself!

All that the Buddha asked, of his followers, was to lead a life according to his noble teachings. But this, most find so hard to do, especially the ‘simple’ minded, Mahavamsa-Buddhist!

Mahavamsa Lies and Deceit

Perhaps nowhere in the world, might one find, this strange practice of Buddhism, other than by most Sinhalese; for it is neither a religion nor a philosophy. It is a unique ‘culture’, passed off as Buddhism, in Sri Lanka!

Who and what distorted the Buddhist philosophy, in Sri Lanka? I say firmly, the blame must be laid fair and square, at the feet of Mahanama thera, and his ‘book of Buddhist tales’- the Mahavamsa. For, it deals mostly, with mythical and supernatural tales of so called, Buddhist history, with some borrowed from the ‘Mahabaratha’ and ‘Ramayana’.

Through his Mahavamsa, Mahanama portrayed Sri Lanka, as the ‘Dammadeepa’; the chosen land of the Buddha, to protect and propagate his Dhamma. He, Mahanama said, (NOT the Buddha), that Buddhism will prevail, for five-thousand years, and the Sinhalese alone, must “protect” it.

Perhaps at a time, when Buddhism began to lose its popularity in India, The monks of the Mahavihara, especially Mahanama, might have panicked, and therefore decided to make Sri Lanka a ‘Buddhist Country’, in order to ‘protect’ Buddhism.

Thus, he created the Sinhala race, by bringing together, those from various tribes and ethnic groups, to create this one ‘supreme’ race- Sinhala-Buddhist; Buddha’s chosen people, Mahanama said, to protect Buddhism, for five-thousand years!

The Buddhist scriptures, Tripitaka, (Viniya, Suttaand Abhidhamma), and the Mahavamsa, were both written in the Pali language. Therefore the average Buddhist laity, who was not au fait with this language, would not have understood the difference between the Tripitaka, and the Mahavamsa. Hence when Buddhist monks preached the Mahavamsa, the laity accepted all that the monks said, as the true words of the Buddha.

From that day forward, 2600 years ago, the Buddhist clergy of this country, transformed the Buddhist philosophy, into an ‘ethnic’ religion of the Sinhalese, and propagated it as such, as per the Mahavamsa. Thus, over the past 2600 years, Buddhists, in this country, have been misled, misguided, led astray and lied to, by our Buddhist clergy, and their ‘bible’- the Mahavamsa!.

By converting the philosophy into a religion, Buddhist monks, also converted the Buddha, into a ‘God’, and themselves, as his ‘Messengers’, who must be revered and worshiped; totally disregarding the Buddha’s words-

Believe nothing, in the faith of traditions,
even though, they have been held in honor,
for many generations, and in diverse places.


Do not believe, a thing, because many people speak of it.
Do not believe, in the faith, of the sages of the past.
Do not believe, what you yourself have imagined,
persuading yourself, that a God inspires you.


Believe nothing, on the sole authority, of your masters and priests.
After examination, believe what you yourself, have tested
and found, to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.”
The Buddha

A case in point, as it is recorded nowhere, of the Buddha having said, is that alms must be offered to monks, in one’s home or at a temple, seven-days, three-months and one-year after a death, in one’s family.

This practice perhaps, originated through a custom, followed by our ancestors, that has today become sine qua non, for Buddhists-

2600 years ago, a Buddhist temple was the only venue, of social gathering, activity and entertainment, in a village. Hence, when a ‘Rite of Passage’ i.e. death in a family occurred, it was only natural, for the entire village, including Buddhist monks, to visit the bereaved family, and offer words and deeds of comfort and consolation, to them .

Sinhalese hospitality being such, all gathered, would be offered a meal, by the bereaved family, and the monks too, would partake of that meal. This, over the years, became part and parcel, and a ‘religious ceremony’, of the Sinhala- Buddhist ‘religion’.

With time, the Buddhist clergy, introduced a sense of ‘guilt’, to the Buddhist laity, that if such ‘alms-giving ceremonies’, were not held, the departed will be reborn, in ‘hell’. So once again, ‘debunking’ the Buddha’s theory, of ‘karma’ (unavoidable results, of our intentional actions), the monks carved a path of convenience, and reverence, for themselves.

So, according to Sinhala/Mahavamsa-Buddhism, even a murderer, rapist, child molester, and others as such, could circumvent their bad ‘karma’ and be reborn in ‘heaven’, courtesy alms and gifts, offered to Buddhist monks.

Coming from a family regarded as ‘pillars’ of the Buddhist temple, I have observed and been made to participate, in this ridiculous practice, of alms-givings, since early childhood. My paternal grandmother, in Galle, held an annual alms-giving, at her home, for a hundred corps d’elite of Buddhist monks. She had the best of the most expensive crockery, brass ‘padikkamas’, (spitting pots)’ et al, set aside, for the exclusive use of each of these monks. My grandmother, in Kandy was no different.

Today, no event of significance, for a Sinhala-Buddhist is held, without the patronage and ‘blessings’ of the ‘Maha Sangha’ (Buddhist monks). And our foolish laity, continue to believe, that the more you feed and spoil these ‘people’, the more ‘merit’ they, and their dearly departed, would receive!

Who will convince them otherwise, certainly not the Buddhist clergy!

Mahavamsa- a Sinhala-Buddhist Political Guide

If one was to go by the Mahavamsa, the Sinhala race came about, through a mythical union between a lion and a human princess. Perhaps that explains why, Mahavamsa-Buddhists, are so lethargic and bloodthirsty!

But in reality, the Sinhalese race, was a creation of the Buddhist monks of the Mahavihara, who themselves originated from India (unless they were aboriginal Veddhas).

The Mahavihara monk, Mahanama, projected himself as the Messenger of the Buddha- a 1000 years after the passing away of the Buddha himself.

The Mahavamsa was written at a time, when all Sinhalese were Buddhists and all Tamils were Hindus, long before other religions, were introduced to our country.

So, author Mahanama, designed the Mahavamsa to be, instead of a historical record of the Sinhalese and Tamils of Lanka, as a Buddhist canonical text, for the descendants of a Lion!

He took ‘bits’ and ‘pieces’ from Hinduism viz the caste system, idol worshiping, astrology, superstition etc., and projected the Buddha as a superhuman, or a God. This made it more appealing, to the average human psyche; as a religion is far easier to deal with, than a complex philosophy like Buddhism.

So today, we have Sinhala-Buddhists running around in circles, when facing a crisis, between, temples, kovils, churches, mosques and ‘others’ such, as Sai Baba.

Though the author intended the Mahavamsa to be, for the “serene joy of the pious” it contradicts itself, by condoning and equating the killing of human “invaders”, with “sinners, and wild beasts”.

He, Mahanama, in his Mahavamsa justifies, and glorifies the murder by Dutugemunu, of thousands of Tamils he called “invaders”, by equating them with “sinners, and wild beasts”. So, where is Buddhism in that? Thus, how can one regard the Mahavamsa, as a Buddhist guide?

If the Maha Sangha had been sincere, and honest from the outset, they would have disassociated the Mahavamsa, from Buddhism. Had they done so, Buddhism in Sri Lanka today, might have been practiced as the Buddha meant it to be; as per the Dhamma.

Therefore it is the linking of Buddhism with the Sinhalese, this text stands for, that has over the years, formed the mentality of the Sinhala-Buddhist psyche. It became a cast or a mould, of the Sinhala-Buddhist racist; a psychological tool, and a political guide of the Sinhala-Buddhists.

The Curse of the Caste System

What made all those Sinhalese who were originally Buddhists, turn to other religions?

The caste system, denounced by the Buddha, has been fostered by none other, than the Buddhist clergy of the Mahavamsa, themselves. They divided themselves between Nikayas, based on caste, and banned those Buddhists, they called ‘low caste’, from entering the temples, they administered.

Therefore, is it any wonder, that those Sinhalese Buddhists, would turn to a more compassionate faith, where caste, creed or ethnicity, has no place? Perhaps those Mahavamsa/Sinhala-Buddhists, like the Bodu Bala Sena (BBS), their sponsors and supporters, ought to reflect on what they say and do, and ask themselves, why these Sri Lankans, who were originally Sinhalese Buddhists, renounced Buddhism, and embrace other faiths?

Strangely, in India, it is the ‘low castes’; Harijans/Dalits, once called “untouchables” or “pariahs”, who are Buddhists, and not the Brahmins of India, despite the Buddha, being a Brahmin himself.

To the Brahmins of India, one’s caste was a matter of vital importance, but one of utter indifference to the Buddha. He strongly condemned, the degradation, of the caste system. In his Order, Monks of all castes were united, as do the rivers in the sea. They lost their former names, castes, and clans, and came to be known, as members of One Community– the Sangha.

Once, the Buddha, while begging for alms, approached the house of the Brahmin, Aggikabharadvaja. The Brahmin, seeing the Buddha at a distance, shouted out: “Stay there, you shaveling, stay there you wretched monk, stay there you outcast.” The Buddha, gently asked the Brahmin: “Do you know, Brahmin, who an outcast is, and what are the conditions, that make one an outcast?”

To the dumbstruck Brahmin, the Buddha said, “”Birth makes not a man an outcast, Birth makes not a man a Brahmin; Actions make a man an outcast, Actions make a man a Brahmin.” (Sutta-nipâta, 142)

Thus, the Buddha admitted freely, into the Buddhist Order, all those he deemed fit, to lead the holy life, from all walks of life, castes and classes. Some went on to distinguish themselves, in the Buddhist Order. The Buddha was one, who united all those torn apart, by man-made differences, of caste, creed and class.

Today, save a few, where does one find these wise words, of the Buddha, practiced by our Sangha, of the Mahavamsa?

Mahavamsa Indoctrination-

I recall my first, school Buddhist text book, as a six-year-old in Grade-One. The cover of the book was illustrated with a picture, of a fully clothed infant Buddha, walking on lotus blossoms. After querying its significance, I was informed by my ‘Buddhism’ teacher, that the Buddha walked, soon after he was born and informed all, that he would be the greatest. And because of this, lotuses blossomed, with each step he took.

For a child, who was constantly seeing her newborn cousins, not capable of such miracles, this seemed like magic to me. So I asked my teacher, if the Buddha was a magician. I was severely admonished, as a “pow kareya” (sinner), and punished for being irreverent.

From that day forward, I became extremely cautious, of whoever tried to talk Buddhism to me, until I became a lay disciple, from childhood to adulthood, of the late Rev. Piyadassi Maha Thera. My ‘guru’ taught me Buddhism, in its original form, as per the Dhamma, and not its corrupt, Mahavamsa version!

From an early age, the innocent and pure minds, of Sinhalese Buddhist children, are ‘brainwashed’, by foolish parents and teachers, with Sinhala-Buddhist racism; Mahavamsa Buddhism!

They are taught, to regard, the ‘other’, who is not a Sinhala-Buddhist, as “an invader”. They are taught, not to trust this ‘other’, who does not belong to Sri Lanka, and is only a ‘guest’, of the ‘benevolent’ Sinhala-Buddhists.

Thus, they are taught, at an early age, that all Tamils, Muslims, Hindus, Christians (Sinhala Christians included) and others, must be chased away, from Mahavamsa-Buddhist Sri Lanka, just as in ancient times, when King Dutugemunu, killed or  chased away the “invaders”, to Tamil Nadu.

In Mahavamsa Buddhism, there is no place, for the Buddha’s Dhamma, of tolerance and compassion!

My ‘Accidents’ with Mahavamsa-Buddhism

My first school was a Convent, in Galle. Here, I was a very happy child, amidst a mélange of others, of various ethnic groups, and religions, including Buddhism.

With time, my Buddhist family thought it essential, for me to change to a Buddhist school. So there I ended up in an exclusive Sinhalese Buddhist private school for girls, in Colombo.

As an eleven-year-old, coming from a Convent, I was most unprepared for the ‘culture shocks’ that awaited me, at this private Buddhist school!

Coming from a family background, where displaying one’s wealth, was regarded as vulgar, as exposing one’s body, I was horrified, at the liberties afforded to the students, and teachers of this Buddhist school. Some tended to favour, students who displayed, their recently acquired family wealth; decked in gold, and dressed in ‘mini’ uniforms, and flashed money freely. They laughed and ridiculed those who appeared less privileged.

For instance, my father once dropped me in school, in his jeep, on his way to Galle. A teacher seeing this, (ironically it was my ‘Buddhism’ teacher), announced in class, that I had come to school that day, in a lorry. Of course as to be expected, I was ridiculed and made fun of, by most of my classmates. I wondered how they might have treated me, had I come to school, by bus!

The horror of studying ‘Buddhism’, in a Buddhist school, is a story by itself!

What was ‘taught’ as Buddhism, and passed off as ‘teaching’ was in fact, a self-teaching exercise, where we the students, were ordered to memorize, Buddhist verses in Pali, with no meaning of the verses offered, while the teacher napped, at her table.

This is how they ‘taught’ Buddhism, in a Buddhist school, that charged exorbitant fees, from unsuspecting parents, who believed their offspring were receiving, a ‘sound Buddhist education’. All this happened, thirty-five years ago (late 70s), and I sincerely hope, this situation has changed, for the better now.

Severely traumatised, by my horrifying ‘Buddhist school’ experience, my parents moved me back, to a Convent. And once again, I happily found myself amidst, a mélange of girls, of various ethnic groups, and religions.

With Mahavamsa-Buddhism, I seem to be accident-prone!

As a young adult, I came across many, who regarded the iconic Sinhala-Buddhist-Anagarika Dharmapala, as the next best thing, to Lord Buddha. Their hypocritical practice, of Mahavamsa-Buddhism, left a bitter taste, in my mouth, I yet feel to date.

Yet another ‘unfortunate accident’ I met, with Mahavamsa Buddhism, was when I tried to have my young son of eight years, admitted to a ‘Buddhist Sunday School’, at a leading Buddhist temple, in Colombo. The person in charge, of new admittance, was a short-tempered ‘gentleman’ of the Buddhist laity.

This ‘gentleman’ informed me, in an angry and loud voice, that I had no business, as a woman, admitting my son, though I was his mother, to a Buddhist Sunday School. He demanded that my son, be accompanied, by his father, if I wished to have him admitted, to this Buddhist Sunday School!

I wondered how, widows managed to admit their sons, to this Buddhist Sunday School.

Teach Comparative Religion in Schools

As a lay-student, of the world renowned most Venerable Piyadassi Maha Thera, I consider myself privileged, to have had such an eminent Guru, of the Buddhist order. Rev. Piyadassi, as I referred to him, had been a close friend of my family for generations, with whom we, as a family, had frequent interaction.

Here was a highly educated, intellectual Buddhist prelate, who would insist that we sit with him at table, and have lunch along with him, while I, as a curious teenager, bombarded him with questions on Buddhism, which he answered patiently and clearly. This type of interaction, with such teachers, is what is required today.

With Rev. Piyadassi’s demise in 1998, in my eyes at the time, he left shoes too big to be filled. But now I know better. For there are many Buddhist prelates and monks of his caliber out there, who are worthy of being revered and worshipped, as the true messengers of Lord Buddha’s philosophy, and they are those, who can guide Sri Lanka’s future Buddhist generations, away from Mahavamsa indoctrination, and on to the correct path.

Alas, such genuine Buddhist prelates and monks, never make news, and are often found in jungles, in deep meditation.

If Sri Lanka’s incumbent President, sincerely wishes to safeguard and foster Buddhism, in its pristine form, then it is his bounden duty, to bring forth a system, whereby our impressionable younger and future generations, are taught the Dhamma, by intelligent and educated Buddhist prelates, as opposed to those stick-in the-mud, Mahavamsa-Buddhist monks, who by no stretch of one’s imagination, are pristine models of Buddhism, to do the job.

The incumbent President has assured more than once, of “religious freedom for all communities, by enhancing interreligious harmony and tolerance”. If he is sincere, then he ought to consider introducing the subject of ‘Comparative Religion’, to all schools, whereby all would understand, the religion of the other.

This would ensure, from an early age, a deeper understanding of the fundamental philosophy of different religions, practiced in Sri Lanka, and that no religion, is above the other.

A child, who has undertaken such a course of study, will undoubtedly have a much deeper understanding of human beliefs and practices, and therefore be more tolerant of each other; not feel threatened by the religion of the other.

This would ideally lead, to our ultimate dream, of a peaceful Sri Lanka, for one and all!

However, the question begs, are our politicians selfless and sincere enough, to take up such a challenge?

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    This is an evangelist-sponsored project. Cant one see that from the language/arguments used -no different from what the Evangelists are teaching children in their Baby classes at Polonnaruwa are asking, as some one remarked – and the popularity rating of near 775 responses received, just like in best sportsman of the year or best website contest. It is all part of the game/the pop. quiz et al.
    There is nothing new said here except recycling old hat. The missionaries used this language she has spoken/arguments used for over three centuries in this country.The Portuguese Bishop in Goa even pulverized in a crucible, an alleged Tooth Relic of the Buddha when the King of Burma had offered handsomely for its possession.
    It is not what is said that is important but the cheer crowd. That is the new strategy. Just as the missionaries did in the 19th century Ceylon, buy tapping the rich and the influential,including a few Buddhist Bhikkus like the one who came to be known as David Silva and became a spokesman for the Christian religion, today’s Evangelists know whom to tap. In Africa they first converted the prostitutes and through them their clients. Clients were satisfied:God was honoured! No difference here. They have known whom to tap. Though the writer may not have the academic learning of a David Silva, she has other attractions, notably communication skills, all round. That is far more important today. She [Edited out] That is where the crunch is.
    Don’t blame the Buddhist extremists. Extemism begets from challenges like this, whether it is in the form of BBs or Ravana Balaya,or Vadamal Thailaya. That is how Arumuka Navalar was produced in the Jaffna society and Anagarika Dhemapala among the Sinhalese Buddhists. it is the “Challenge and Response” as the Historian said.

    Next time, Why does not she write about the “Immaculate Conception’ of the Christians, or the Hindu women tonguing/or rubbing against stone male stone Linga (penis); or the Gay rights? Will she try to get away saying, No I am no Christian, or stone Linga -grabber, nor Gay. What happened to those within the the Christian fold who questioned the Immaculate Conception. Ex-communicated? or sent to oblivion like one of our own fathers. What about the gay supporting Christain priests? What happened to the popularly exhibited French film “Nun for Christ”? Did the film makers get away easily? Does her claim to some Buddhist connection make her the right choice -the medium -for on going bashing of last vestiges of Buddhism remaining in the form of ritual, belief system etc?
    the game is clear enough. the writer is playing ball with anyone who pays. A former Director General of SLBC, who was declared Buddhist in his days at lest openly went over as a Christian propagandist and that for money. Why doesn’t she declare herself, likewise?.

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      Fair-thinker

      Why talk about other peoples religion when your own has very similar or worst stories. Read your own Buddhist scriptures man and you will be surprised. You are throwing stones while living in a house built by glass. Criticize yours first before criticizing others. Think fairly man if you are not from a Sinhala-Buddhist NGO.

      Recently I read a few Jathaka stories from the Buddhist scriptures. It is believed that the Buddha himself told the Jathaka stories about his previous lives as a Bodhisathva. With all respect to what you believe, may I ask you, do you think that the Buddha would have told these Jataka tales as true stories?

      Let’s consider some examples,

      In Nandivisala Jataka, the Bodhisathva was an intelligent talking bull that could pull hundred carts.

      The Mirga Jataka talks about the Bodhisathva as a deer that saved a drowning merchant and later preached the Dhamma to the king who was hunting.

      In Sivi Jataka, the Bodhisathva as king Sivi redeemed a pigeon by giving his own flesh.

      Another Jataka story which the Buddhists strongly believe is the Kusa Fathakaya, where the Bodhisattva was born as Kusa, and married a beautiful princess Pabawathie.
      Sakra the king of Gods came unnoticed by any one while Pabawathie was asleep and rubbed her navel with his toe. This caused her to conceive without any intimacyual congress.
      This is very similar to the virgin conception (mother of Jesus Christ).

      I do not want to list all the Jatakas here to elaborate my point, but take a closer look at them and think, do you believe that they are true?

      The Buddhist scriptures were written long after Buddha’s passing away by disciples most of whom were Brahmins. Thus, it is not surprising that a lot of Brahminical myths and concepts, which the Buddha has discarded, crept back into the Suttras and Jataka tales.

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        “Why talk about other peoples religion when your own has very similar or worst stories. Read your own Buddhist scriptures man and you will be surprised. You are throwing stones while living in a house built by glass. Criticize yours first before criticizing others. Think fairly man if you are not from a Sinhala-Buddhist NGO. “

        Well this is relevant to all buddhist bashers here ne. The shameful sex stories of Hindu gods (which Abraham T kovvor consider as made up stories of sex starved hindu priests), islamic haditha and christian stories are even below the human level ne. The argument you brings is very much relevant to u as well. :)

        And this thread is started as a mahavamsa bashing ceremony and now has become a buddhism bashing one.

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          Great stuff Sharmini! Way to go – keep up the excellent analysis.
          THe Mahawamsa is an ORIGIN MYTH and of the Sinhala Modayas – your are so right – it is a stupider origin myth than most other nation’s origin myths..
          Please translate your brilliant article into Sinhala and publish widely, to educate the Sinhalaya Modayas think the Mahinda Jarapassa in Duttugemunu and Devanampiyathissa in one!
          Buddhism needs to be modernized in Sri Lanka. Majority of monks are a NATIONAL DISGRACE – check out GOta the Goon’s Balu Sena. The saffron thugs who are fed till they vomit by idiotic Colombo 7 Sinhala Buddhist housewives should have to learn English and access the internet and pass exams before ordained..
          Thanks again Sharmini!

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        Praveen Kumar, I feel sorry for you if you believe that Jataka Stories constitute the True Dhamma of the Buddha. The Buddha Himself said that His Dhamma would only be Understood by ‘Those with little Dust in their Eyes’. It is the dust of ‘Avidya’ that the Enlightened Buddha asked us to rub away from our ‘Minds’ Playing around with Words borrowed from Myths, to illustrate examples to simple people, will never allow you to get to the Heart of the Dhamma. Only deep investigation into the Truth, will set your feet on the Road to Enlightenment. I would advise you to read the Buddhist Scriptures, which are not Jataka Stories.

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    ‘Fair Thinker’
    I will repeat an earlier comment “…watching the Christmas TV Broadcasts, Yesterday and Today, I would guess that the Buddhist Monks of old, would have seen how the colourful ceremonies of Christianity were taking over the Practice of Christianity and attracting increasing numbers of Buddhists. Buddhism did not have the Fanfare to attract the Masses, so the Monks would have borrowed all the Rituals from Hinduism and Christianity to keep the Masses Happy and Visiting Temples to practise their rituals, AND hopefully listen to the Dhamma. Ritual and Ceremony seems to be a Human Need”, which the Pure Dhamma does not satisfy.
    Visiting Temples even for the Rituals, and listening to the Dhamma would awaken “Those with Little Dust in their Eyes”

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    I agree that Buddhist culture in contradistinction to one could discern as Buddha’s own way of thinking, has borrowed many features from other religions like Hinduism and Christianity during long contacts.
    The pantheon of Vedic gods were brought into the Buddhist milieu, like Brahama, the creator god (Svayambhu=sprung by himself)being made subservient and serving Buddha. And Vishnu and Indra, the latter as Sakra deviyo too, Sataravaran Devivaru included. From the west, if not from Christianity itself, came the idol worship into Buddhist practice of worship after contact with Perso-Greek contacts with India. In the 18th/19th centuries, came other forms such as Buddhist Carols following Christmas Carols, birthday celebrations by Bhikkus – I was shocked as an adult when I first heard of these Birthday celebrations.
    Commercialisation of religion in Christianity is rampant not only with ritual centres like Lourdes, Paduva and Fatima but also with exchange of good wishes thr’ X’mas cards, and X’mas bashes with liquor flowing seconds after Midnight Christmas mass. Jesus Christ!
    There are many ritual aspects in every religion to which people adhere. The story going round now is that loss of the albino turtle at Kosgoda was the result of black magic. The information points to black magic being practiced in Maldive islands, where it was suspected that the turtle disappeared, as much as here. The performers there are callled “Fandithar” (Pandita, perhaps, remnant of an old Brahmanic practice. This shows how tainted Islam itself is. In the Esat Asia (Iran/Arab countries), I was shocked to see the practice of Tomb worship, the tombstones were well polished thr’ worshippers rubbing against them, like Linga (penis ) stones rubbed by women, many in the expectation of children, throwing money into the kitty.So rituals which are not in the teachings of the founders have invaded every religion.That is not the issue here. Why this old hat critical of Mahawanso and Buddhist ritual has been brought up at this particular time, by this woman who has become the media for another wave of attack at a time the country is hard pressed over many issues, and Geneva in early March. Who are the cheer crowd? Conspicuous among them is the Fr.Emmanuel, the LTTE terrorist hiding under a cassock, eulogizing the writer, followed by a flock of numerous faceless cheer crowd. That is what to look for.

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      Even though Buddha was not a politician and Buddhisim has nothing to do with politics, the so called religion *SINHALA-BUDDHISM* practised in Sri Lanka is nothing but a Political Philosophy and Practice derived from the work of Bikku Mahanama (author of Mahavamsa) and the Theravada Buddhist Monks. It includes Racist Politics. All these Sinhala-Buddhist Monks are Racist Politicians irrespective of wheather they are Members of Parliament or Not.

      Buddha (Buddhism) Never advised his deciples/monks to do Politics but Sinhala-Buddhism does, and therefore a Sinhala-Buddhist Bikkhu is at liberty to engage in Racist Politics, criticize and condemn all other religions and races, take part in Political rallies, burning flags and effigies and Promote War and Hatred as we see in Sri Lamka.

      They call Sinhala-Buddhism a *Religion (Buddhism) or a Philosophy of Buddha* only to FOOL the gullible Sinhalese people.

      From a very young age, the innocent Sinhalese children who attend the Daham Pasela (Sunday school) in the Buddhist temples are brainwashed by engraving the Sinhala-Buddhist Racism into their sub-conscious minds.

      For Example,

      In July83, full moon poya day (Sunday) night, the Sinhala-Buddhists were gathered at the Buddhist temples listening the Racist Priests, just after mid night (Monday), they were told about the attack on the 13 soldiers. It was these Sinhala-Buddhist Monks who instigated and instructed those foolish gullible Sinhalese to attack and kill the innocent Tamils. Most of those so called *Sinhala Thugs* came out of the Buddhist temples after listening to the sermons delivered by these Racist Sinhala-Buddhist Monks and killed the innocent Tamils, burning them alive, and looting all their belongings.

      Wheather you like it or not, in Sri Lanka, Religion (Buddhism), Politics and Racism (Sinhala) are mixed into ONE and goes as Sinhala-Buddhism.

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        Dont talk nonsense men, what practices does mahavamsa bring to sinhala people? There is nothing called sinhala buddhism. Many of the rituals and practices may have been influenced from other religions and they have no connection to Mahavamsa. Infact the rituals some buddhists practice were influenced by Hinduisma nd some buddhists worship hindu gods, if Mahavamsa has made them hostile to other faiths why do sinhala people worship other faiths giving prominence to such gods?

        The argument that many here put forward that buddhists today in SL have hindu practices and worship hindu gods actually counter argue the very point many try to make herem that Sinhala Buddhists are hostile to others’ religions.
        The only this woman does is supplying some material to feast on and enjoy for the eelamists who will grab any opportunity to slander Mahavamsa.

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    Dear All,

    If you all become mindful about your mind, than thinking others, it is what the Buddha simply means his followers to do, both ordained monks and lay followers. Without debating for nothing, we would be able to develop necessary qualities to clear our path to freedom from suffering.

    I appreciate the article in one sense because some monks like during the time of the Buddha, have been going out of the advice of the Buddha, rather they do cultural, social services. But, good friends of the Buddha, Vishaka, Anathapindika, Mallika and even kings helped those misguided people to be good. I believe it is good if people come forward and show our mistakes. if they are true, we would be genuine to accept them.

    the unfortunate thing is, majority who put comments including the writer Sharmini Serasinghe seem not to refer the facts related to Dhamma and vinaya in the tripitaka. Please try to read the tripitaka in English (if pali is unknown)and makes the writing deep, otherwise ,it becomes an emotional expression.

    However, you people be careful not to insult all the monks in Sri Lanka. I know there are innocent monks who live in accordance with the cord of discipline and the Dhamma. They feel that they cannot stop some wrong forces in the community so that they are silently practicing. Please be careful not to criticize all the monks as bad.

    I sense that wrong doers can be corrected with this type of writing even if it is somewhat right, because writer has failed to see good qualities of many Buddhist monks except his teacher.

    As a monk for twenty years, I never follow Mahavansa as the Dhamma and also many monks whom I know.

    Please don’t decide that all members of the Sangha community are corrupted by seeing the activities of media monks and monks in politics. Don’t give weapons to enemies
    The Buddha in Abhayaraja Kumara sutta (MN: 58) explained the way he uses his words.

    [1] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial (or: not connected with the goal), unendearing & disagreeable to others, he does not say them.

    [2] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, unbeneficial, unendearing & disagreeable to others, he does not say them.

    [3] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, but unendearing & disagreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them.

    [4] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them.

    [5] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them.

    [6] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, and endearing & agreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them. Why is that? Because the Tathagata has sympathy for living beings.”

    Please adhere this in your life.

    Similar thing to stepping in lotus flowers is recorded in Accariya abbhuta sutta (MN: 123). Please read it before commenting. Children in very early stages of life are taught the magical things, but it is considering their level of understanding but not young adults. Nevertheless, I know even some adults believe it with many additions, not as sutta recorded. But I believe people in advance knowledge should not recognize others as fools until they at least attain the stream entry (Sotapanna).

    During the time of the Buddha, monks, nuns and lay followers came with flowers and kept them near his Kuti (room) so that his kuti was famous as Gandha Kuti (fragrant room). He did not barred monks because he knew that a kind of traditions should go with the deep Dhamma. It is just like hard wood is protected by the outer layer of the tree, branches, leaves and flowers. Similarly, due to different characters in human lives, people have different understanding.

    In Uggatitannu Sutta (AN 133) explains four kinds of people in the word who have different understanding levels;

    1) Ugghatitunnu – The quick learner (needs only few lines to realize the truth)

    2) Vipatitannu – the learner with some instructions

    3) Neyya – the one who needs instructions for a long time and finally makes his way to freedom from suffering.

    4) Padaparama – the one knows only words but does not practice
    So let’s decide who we are. Let’s practice and extend compassion to oneself and others.

    Finally, I would like to invite you all to read the Dhamma, discuss the Dhamma and adhere into Vinaya in your own way.

    The great teaching is not a mere inheritance of Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis although they suppose to be ideal disciples. Lay people also represent and can hold it.

    With compassion,

    Bhante J
    Ottawa, Canada

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    This is an era that some people try to keep out Mahavansa, the chronicle from the history due to political reasons. Did you think that those people would get credits from your article?

    If you want to protect the Dhamma, it is not the best things to criticize the chronicle and its author. Please address the real issue; craving to popularity, wealth, power and so on.

    With Metta

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      Bhante,I have not read the Mahawansa, but going by what is being quoted, it appears to be of less value than even Aesops fables It is high class toilet paper.

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    Fair Thinker,
    If you think again of what you thought, wanting others to think as you thought, you would realize what you Thunk was Thonk.

    You are questioning, ‘Why this old hat critical of Mahawanso and Buddhist ritual has been brought up at this particular time, by this woman who has become the media for another wave of attack at a time the country is hard pressed over many issues, and Geneva in early March. Who are the cheer crowd? Conspicuous among them is the Fr.Emmanuel, the LTTE terrorist hiding under a cassock, eulogizing the writer, followed by a flock of numerous faceless cheer crowd. That is what to look for.

    So in your eyes all the Sensible Buddhists including myself who practice the Philosophy, not only labeled, numbering over hundreds who have posted comments, view this Mahawansa Tosh has nothing to do with what Buddha preached but only a ruse for the likes of you to sell for your gain. Your attempt to shove us all, including Sharmini under the cassock of Fr. Emmanuel, showing the UNHCR Gonibilla in March 2014, to rally support for your thinking again, that the rest will swallow your bait, is too far fetched. This issue what Sharmini has brought out on Mahawamsa is long overdue and it is about time that the Gullible masses are made to open their eyes without falling pray to your type to have fooled the masses for over two millenniums. Besides this issue has nothing to do with what the country has to face in March 2014. Why do you believe that you can sell Mahawamsa Buddhism and escape March 2014?

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    Very correct Fair thinker. Thad issue is not Buddhism or the rituals, it is far more deeper.

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    Dear Sharmini
    It takes a lot of courage to write something like this in this day and age! I guess the number of responses attest to that. It seem a pity that Sri Lankans tend to slander each other than addresing the subject at hand, isn’t it?
    The Mahavamsa Mindset is very much the cause of all the problems we face in this country. Its quite ridiculous the way some elite Sinhala Buddhists do not want to accept the fact that almost all the queens of Sinhala kings were imported from South India!! Is that a reflection of the beauty and chastity of the locals, I wonder! So, the claim of Aryan purity is in the dustbin of history even before we start!
    Another thing that the SB’s do not want to accept is that the Nayakkar kings of Kandy in the 18th and 19th centuries were Tamil-speaking – again imported from South India!In fact, most of the Kandyan Chieftains who signed the Treaty with the British signed in Tamil. Why, I wonder!!
    My message to the SB’s and Tamil extremists is that we are one and the same race how unapalatable that may be to some. The Sinhalese – Vijaya included – came from Orissa, which is closer to West Bengal and Andhra Pradesh (very much a South Indian state- which explains our food, which we crow about!!).
    So, people, let’s get real and try to find a way of living together in harmony!

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      Suresh “My message to the SB’s and Tamil extremists is that we are one and the same race how unapalatable that may be to some. The Sinhalese – Vijaya included – came from Orissa, which is closer to West Bengal and Andhra Pradesh (very much a South Indian state- which explains our food, which we crow about!!). So, people, let’s get real and try to find a way of living together in harmony”
      Prof Mendis Rohanadeera doubts whether Vijaya ever existed.There is an interesting article by Kusal perera in 29ths Ravaya, which comments on the “universality” of the Sinhala language.It is possible that the Sinhala race arose as a branch off of the Tamil Hindus.Otherwise how do you explain the presence of Shiva Lingams in Temples in the south? There was a write up that a head of a statue Shiva Deviyo’s ( Eishvara deviyos)was excavated from the Dondra temple.How do you explain all these?

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      There is nothing called mahavamsa mindset. It is a term created to slander mahavamsa because it is a historical book that impedes the desings of many pseudo historians and their political agendas.

      Of course Sinhala kings did bring brides from india and talking about chastity and beauty with it is childish cos the same can be argued in a different manner whether the tamils were women suppliers. And bringing brides was due to creating political and other partnerships. As the Pandya was an ally of Sinhalas against Cholas that is understandable. that is how ancient people function all around the world, there is no right or wrong in it.

      The Nayakkars may have spoken tamil but they were of Telingu lineage. And they had to renounce their religion and become sinhala to become the king. Poetry written during the Kandyan period would support it. And again signing using tamil lanugae doesnt make them tamil, today many sign using english does that make them english. Without any doubts Tamil was a language widely spoken in South india and as they were traders and invadors its effects were felt in SL, just like that of English.

      And you take messages to tamil extremists then who are you?

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    If one is honest,we need to agree with most of statements made by her But to say the least the manner in which it has presented is unprofessional mainly due to limited knowledge she possesses.

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      Jayantha, did you listen to the discussion between Wijedasa Rajapakse and Omalpe Sobitha.I stopped listening because Sobitha repeated that Lord Buddha, who I venerate worship and try to follow his teachings,clearly defined some laws ( Buduhamuduruwo neethiyak demma) every time he could not meet Rajapaksa’s arguments.Lord Buddha never laid down any laws. he was particular, this is what I preach, you at liberty to accept it or otherwise.Is not that a case of limited knowledge or an attempt to hood wink the listeners.

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    To Sach, Kirthi, Jim Softy and all those insulting Sharmini on this thread.This is my response to them-
    One day Buddha was walking through a village. A very angry and rude young man came up and began insulting him. “You have no right teaching others,” he shouted. “You are as stupid as everyone else. You are nothing but a fake.” Buddha was not upset by these insults. Instead he asked the young man “Tell me, if you buy a gift for someone, and that person does not take it, to whom does the gift belong?” The man was surprised to be asked such a strange question and answered, “It would belong to me, because I bought the gift.” The Buddha smiled and said, “That is correct. And it is exactly the same with your anger. If you become angry with me and I do not get insulted, then the anger falls back on you. You are then the only one who becomes unhappy, not me. All you have done is hurt yourself.” “If you want to stop hurting yourself, you must get rid of your anger and become loving instead. When you hate others, you yourself become unhappy. But when you love others, everyone is happy.” ― Since Shamini is not accepting it will belong to you -Sach, Kirthi, Jim Softy and all those insulting Sharmini.

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      Sinhala Buddhists did not start it, Sharmini is the one who is angry about mahawamsa and Sinhala Buddhists, so why put the ball to our court, let her keep the anger. We are not affected at all, as happy and jolly, always.

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        By “our court” you must mean the bunch of imbeciles on this thread, with you Kirthi Jayasekera the schizophrenic included.

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          As you like, people will decide that by the comments and by judging who the veiled and unveiled ones are.

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        Jolly Kirthi,

        Let it be Sach’s count , Jim Softy court or even the dump Rohitha’s court.

        You continue to eat the dirt.

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        Then kirthi you should have ignored the article as she requested.

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          She said the unwise and modaya s to pass it. I don’t belong to that .

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      We critique the contect and do not insult the author like you. A man who cant even put a comment that has any meaning without slanderigng others are giving lectures. just grow up.

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        Sach,

        There is an article titled ‘Marketing Buddhist Monk Pitiduwe Exposed’ on CT. Where are your ‘wise’ comments on that thread?

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          Pitiduwe monk is a hoax. No wise buddhist in SL takes him seriously. The only place that has given him a place is CT. why should i comment on a totally useless thing

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    Shows the class of the people.

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      “Shows the class of the people”.

      And Kirthi dear, what class do you belong to?

      Thanks to Umbalakada, all those commenting on this thread now know, how you stalked the author Sharmini with emails, threatening her in foul language.

      What kind of “class of the people” do that?

      By the way, didn’t you mention somewhere on this thread “What is the meaning of reading this nonsense over and over…….”

      Contradicting yourself, aren’t you?

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        Any way I don’t belong to Shaminis class, to hide behind and talk about stalking and foul language, when the email was a straight forward query. Up to you , you people stink . That’s your class. We have nothing to hide, that’s why we are on the open arena.

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          Kirthi Jayasekera,

          “Any way I don’t belong to Shaminis class”

          You are absolutely right. How can you, when you are a scum bag from the gutter?

          You say your emails (NOT email) to her were straight forward?

          I got Sharmini to forward those emails to me, and there is nothing more I would love, than to reproduce all of them on this thread.

          But the CT Editor will not publish them because of the foul language you have used on Sharmini while threatening her.

          By the way, in case you have forgotten your own words in one of your stupid comments above, here’s a reminder-

          “What is the meaning of reading this nonsense over and over as if it is more complex than the special theory of relativity. May be for the brigade, this is the most complex publication they have ever seen, as it bashes what is Sinhala all round.”

          As some one has asked you here, why are you “reading this nonsense over and over” and commenting over and over?

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          First class
          second class
          Third class
          or
          upper class
          lower class
          You are absolutely right.Shamini no doubt belongs to First class or upper class.
          You have accepted that you don’t belong to that class.
          All readers will know to which class you belong to.

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          Kirthi Jayasekera,

          There is an article titled ‘Marketing Buddhist Monk Pitiduwe Exposed’ on CT. Where are your ‘wise’ comments on that thread?

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      Wimal-modawansa,
      Most of your comments are suitable the broad-minded and the wise. Others Moda putha Sach, Jolly Kirthi, Jim Softy and of course dump Rohitha should be advised to pass!

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    How about Mahabharata?
    It is an insult to common decency.

    How about worshiping the penis? Only Africans and Hindus do such disgusting uncivilized things.

    Disgusting at the least and foolish at best!

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    Oh Siva-Lingam worshiping barbarians!

    What a disgusting practice to worship the penis!

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      Fathima Fukushima,
      You worship Jim Softy’s [Edited out]. That is disgusting!

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    Finally Understanding Mahavamsa…thank the writer..

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    Though there are that many comments and ongoing counter comments, I wonder as to how many real humane and other near humans have participated in this. On perusal most of the comments about 90 to 95% are from many masked, false and identity less creatures who are simply spewing muck and venom that would continue for the next millennia if mankind is fortunate to be still on this planet.

    “It is impossible for a person to learn, what he or she thinks that they already know”.

    “Then I looked upon all the works my hand had done and on the labour in which I had toiled; and indeed all was vanity and grasping for the wind. There was no profit under the sun. ………Therefore I hated life because the work that was done under the sun was distressing to me, for all is vanity and grasping for the wind.” Psalms.

    May you all fair thinking peoples of this website please endeavour to read Richards Dawkin’s “The God Delusion”, “The Greatest Show On Earth- OR The Evidence For Evolution” & “The Magic of Reality” of the 10 books written to-date. These are the most recent books that I read.

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    From one of my friends:

    This is a very well written article by Sharmini Serasinghe. She has presented Buddhism as it should be. Buddha was born a Hindu in the Brahmin caste. He never wanted to create Buddhism, but he wanted to reform Hinduism. He failed, as the Brahmins were deadly against his preaching. He, like Barathiar, wanted the caste system totally abolished. To him rituals had no place in the Hindu temples. Expensive religious places of worship should not be built.

    Religious practices should be kept simple. Meditation and following the Eight Fold Path are very important. This ran contrary to the money making schemes of the Brahmin priests and they fought against Buddha tooth and nail and Buddhism didn’t take hold in India. That doesn’t mean the Brahmins were devoid of intellect. They just didn’t want the Hindu masses to know the religious doctrines, which they kept it to themselves. They preached a corruption version of Hinduism, where money can buy spiritual favours.

    The great Hindu religious leader, Swami Vivekananda made in his auto biography the following statement. “If only India had adopted the Brahminic intellect with a Buddhist heart, India will be a different country today.” One of the greatest religious text in the world, ‘The Bhagavad Gita’, plainly states that rituals and caste system has no place in Hindu society. Yet it is still practised in the temples. Why? Source of very good money for the priests, when they put God’s favours on sale.

    Sharmini finds the same situation in the Buddhist temples in Sri Lanka. Buddhism is corrupted by the Sinhalese historical myth, the Mahavamsa. Both combined make a myth of Buddhism. Please download and read the link below. It is worth the time spent on reading.

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      According to the concept of the Pas Maha Belum, the forth is Caste.The caste to which the Buddha is supposed to have been born is KSHATHRIYA.Is the employment among Kshathriya’s fishing or was he a Brahamin. Who is writing stories?

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    The article by Sharmini Cherasinghe seems worth reading. The comment I want to make here is, no prophets wrote their teachings, be it in Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc. All these religions teach to respect one another and live along one another and this also includes Hinduism (today it is well corrupted), Judaism etc. Nice to hear, but can it be practiced? Moreover people by and large do no make an attempt to trigger their thinking power, be it in Europe or Asia. Why we have so many religions, languages, cultural practices? Can one enjoy looking at roots, be it tape or fibrous roots, but flowers, branches, fruits and leaves. In short, staying at the root level is not simply possible for the masses and this is my emphirical observations. People love to live in myths and fantasies, fairy tales etc.
    Coming to Sri Lanka there is only one answer, i.e. divide the land into Tamil Eelam and Sinhala Desam. The Sinhalese can then sort their house and give a cleaning. The Tamils have gone through the process of cleaning. Once this process is through, then the Sinhala and Tamil countries start to learn to work together, if both sides decide. Of course this process may take ernomous amount of time and energy, but it could work if there is no external interferences which isn’t possible looking at the how the world is configured after the cold war.
    The article of Sharmini is a good piece but has come too late and further it is utopian which I find it difficult to put into practice. The next question is, how to repair the psychological damage created in the Sinhala masses by theros and bikkus?

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      Dear Raja,

      I would prefer a Unitary Sri Lanka where Tamils, Sinhalese, Muslims, Malays and all other ethnic communities live in Peace and complete Equality. However if you want to go back to your Tamil Kingdom past, then campaign for it on Historical Lines instead of making claims that are not supported by history.

      The Tamil Kingdom of the Jaffna peninsular was captured by the Portuguese and the Dutch captured it from them. Hence the boundary during the Dutch rule would reflect that boundary of the Tamil Kingdom at the time the Portuguese deposed the Tamil King.

      There is proof available in the Dutch National Archives that states the Dutch built a Fort at Elephant Pass to protect the Jaffna Peninsular from the Sinhala Kandyan Kingdom. This establishes that the boundary between the Jaffna Kingdom and the Sinhala Kingdom ran through Elephant Pass.

      Elephant Pass

      De compagnie stond in de 17de eeuw dikwijls op vijandelijke voet met de koning van Kandy, die sterk verbonden was met het boeddhistische deel van de Ceylonese bevolking. Bij Elephant Pass was een smalle landengte waar een fort gebouwd werd om de grens met het gebied van de koning te bewaken. Olifanten die op Ceylon waren gevangen, werden langs dit punt naar Jaffna gebracht om verkocht te worden in India, vandaar de naam Elephant Pass

      (http://www.atlasofmutualheritage.nl/nl/post/?id=813)

      Translation

      Elephant Pass

      During the 17th century the Company was engaged in a war of attrition with the king of Kandy, who had close ties with Ceylon’s Buddhist population. There was a narrow tongue of land at Elephant Pass a fort was built to guard the border with the king’s territory. Elephants captured on Ceylon were herded past here to Jaffna to be sold in India, hence the name Elephant Pass

      You say “The next question is, how to repair the psychological damage created in the Sinhala masses by theros and bikkus?”

      For starters let’s begin by repairing the unimaginable damage that was caused to the Low Cast Tamils who consisted of 75% of the Northern Tamil Population (according to Ms Pearl Thevanayagam) by the Hindu Brahmin Priests and the Vellala ruling class of Jaffna.

      You prevented the Low casts from entering Hindu Temples (please research the Mavidapuram Temple Entry case) by Hindu’s and their Priests (who were exclusively Brahmins, the Highest Cast)

      If you want a better description of the Hindu Cast system please read the following comment https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/mahavamsa-an-insult-to-the-buddha/#comment-829983

      Wishing you a Prosperous and Enlightening 2014

      Kind Regards
      OTC

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        Dear OTC,

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_conquest_of_the_Jaffna_kingdom

        “This modest kingdom is not confined to the little district of Jaffnapatnam because to it are also added the neighboring lands and those of the Vanni which is said to be name of the lordship which they held before we obtained pocession of them, separated from the proceeding by a salty river and connected only in the extremity or isthamus of Pachalapali within which the lands of Baligamo, Bedamarache and Pachalapali forming that peninsula and outside of it stretch the lands of Vanni. Crosswise from, from the side of Mannar to that of Triquillemele, being separated also from the country of Mantota in the jurisdiction of Captain of Mannar by the river Paragali;which (lands) ends in the river of the Cross in the midst of the lands of Vanni and of others which stretch as far as Triquillemele which according to the map appears to be a large tract of country”.[8]

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          Dear Anpu old friend,

          First let me wish you a Prosperous and Peaceful 2014.

          The source I quoted was a primary source, the Dutch Govt. Hence the Fort at Elephant Pass cannot be countered nor can the purpose for building that fort be countered.

          Since the Dutch conquered what the Portuguese conquered, the Boundary of the Jaffna kingdom would be the same as the boundary during the Dutch reign.

          You need to show that it was different.

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            Dear OTC,

            Many thanks for the wishes.
            I too wish you a very happy and a prosperous new year.
            Tirukkētīsvaram is far down south from Elephant pass. Other eeswaram temples even further down. One is in the south cost. Who worship the gods in these temples?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketheeswaram_temple

            Ketheeswaram temple (Tamil: திருக்கேதீஸ்வரம் Tirukkētīsvaram) is an ancient Hindu temple in Mannar, Northern Province Sri Lanka. Overlooking the ancient period Tamil port towns of Manthai and Kudiramalai, the temple has lay in ruins, been restored, renovated and enlarged by various royals and devotees throughout its history. Tirukkētīsvaram is one of five Ishvarams dedicated to the Hindu deity Shiva and is venerated by Shaivas throughout the continent. Throughout its history, the temple has been administered and frequented by Sri Lankan Hindu Tamils. Its famous tank, the Palavi tank, is of ancient antiquity and was restored from the ruins. Tirukkētīsvaram is one of the 275 Paadal Petra Sthalams of Shiva glorified in the poems of the Tevaram.

            Literary and inscriptional evidence of the post classical period (300BC-1500AD) attests to the upkeep of the temple during the ancient period by kings of the Pallava, Pandyan Dynasty and Chola dynasties who contributed to its development up to the late 16th century. In 1575, Tirukkētīsvaram was largely destroyed by Portuguese colonials, with Pujas terminating at the shrine in 1589. Following an appeal by Arumuka Navalar in 1872, the temple was rebuilt at its original site in 1903.

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              Dear Anpu,

              The new system of breaking up the comments into pages and displaying only the latest page, buries even new comments that are replies to an older comment in an older page out of sight of the reader. This happens because the page system is chronological while the Nesting system is not.

              Hence I have posted my reply out of this sub thread here https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/mahavamsa-an-insult-to-the-buddha/comment-page-4/#comment-832659

              Pointing to any Landmarks or Kovils in the South does not change the most important information contained in the Dutch Archive.

              Which is, the fact that, the Boundary between The Sinhala Kandyan Kingdom and the Dutch held Jaffna Kingdom WENT THROUGH Elephant Pass during Dutch rule.

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    Dear Evangelical friends,
    Shall we now celebrate that our Medium Sharmini received 871 votes and qualified for the year’s popular award! Hope you received your share from the Evangelical pudding! If not ask Sharmiini. Happy New Year> When shall we meet again? In Hail, Storm or Thunder? Perhaps under Sharmaini’s warm embralla? Not bad eh. Till we meet again.
    For Sharmini only: Thanks Sharmaini for a good job done. When shall we celebrate privately?

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    Though there are almost a thousand comments and ongoing counter comments from the very same few people it’s absurd and foolish to be carried away mere numbers without pausing think of the break-down details within it and try to respond to the following Mr. Evangelist as you are really missing the woods for a tree. In reality there are only a very few humane and other near humans have participated in this. On perusal most of the comments about 90 to 95% are from many masked, false and identity less creatures who are simply spewing muck and venom that would continue for the next millennia if mankind is fortunate to be still on this planet.

    “It is impossible for a person to learn, what he or she thinks that they already know”. “Then I looked upon all the works my hand had done and on the labour in which I had toiled; and indeed all was vanity and grasping for the wind. There was no profit under the sun. ………Therefore I hated life because the work that was done under the sun was distressing to me, for all is vanity and grasping for the wind.” Psalms.

    May you all fair thinking peoples of this website please endeavour to read Richards Dawkin’s “The God Delusion”, “The Greatest Show On Earth- OR The Evidence For Evolution” & “The Magic of Reality” of his 10 books written to-date and these are the most recent books that I read.

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    I’m a foreigner living in Sri Lanka with my wife since our retirement.

    We both speak and understand a little Sinhalese, so we would like some answers to the following questions-

    Do the Sinhalese really believe, they are descendants of a Lion?

    Is that why they are called ‘Sinha (lion)lese?

    Is that why there is a Lion on the National flag of Sri Lanka?

    Is that why several Sinhala and Tamil family names end with ‘Sinha’ and ‘Singham’?

    Since there are no lions to be found in Sri Lanka, but plenty of elephants, would it not be more appropriate to have an elephant on the national flag, instead of a lion?

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      In jest
      All the Lions were killed by the Sinhalese
      All the Tigers were killed by the Tamils.

      So, as you probably noticed we have quite a few Monkeys inhabiting the Island nation.

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      To – Carl Smith

      There are no Lions in our jungles. It is a mere emotional attachment
      to identify with strength. Singapore too has a fetish for Lions but the
      beast is not found there – even in the thick Malaysian jungles.

      As to the Sinhala names ending with “singhe” it has something to do with the fact that those whom the Sinhalese wish to identify as their
      Pilgrim Fathers, if you like, came from the Bihar/Orissa/UP/West Bengal
      region. The last name Singh is common there – as in their current cricket captain Mahendar Singh Dhoni. For good measure, the origin of the Sinhalese is also associated with the demon Queen Kuveni, who, some believe, became the wife of the “playboy” Vijaya (and his 700 friends) as the hungry lot came ashore. And from that union came the present Sinhalese – fairly sound playboys themselves. Have you met
      Kudu Mervin yet?

      So, Carl, you might as well get used to a great deal of Fibbing (or conning) in this country. You may have seen our political leaders
      indulge in this past time this in a big way. For example, we hold the record in conducting an all out war for nearly thirty years and ended up with “zero” casualties. Or, that’s what Govt leaders tell the world.
      Naturally, after a while when they (the Govt) found the story has only a few takers they back-tracked. So it is with this part of the history of ours.

      But, as you may have seen already, the country is awash with ancient cultural traditions, 2 great religions – all linked with adjoining India, of which we were a part before the ocean separated us about 9,000 years ago. The people are fun-loving and have an ear for humour.
      Its a lovely country capable offering much to the European tourist in a short time. To quote a famous British teacher it is a land “where everything pleases the eye – except where man is vile”

      Enjoy the rest of your holidaying here, Sir.

      Burgher Boy

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    Dear Carl,
    Yr.Q’s:
    Q 1&2. They are called Sinhala because their ancestor killed a lion.(Ancient 8th c. Sinh. Text).a woman running away with a lion is a silly story. If not born in perversion, it is total ignorance.
    Q3.No. There were other totemestic flags some with elephant,others with other animals, even a decorative fish.
    Q4.No.There are more Sinha’s in Bengal and Singh s in Punjab (Sikh Community and others)
    5.The suggestion re Elephant on the SL flag. The Lion flag alone among totemistic flags has come to dominate. It was the last ruler’s flag. It was also the flag (lion holding the sword) of the former ruling al-Badr family /dynasty of Yemen. Iran’s Shah’s flag (national flag)also had a lion wielding a sward in a blue or green background.
    The association with the lion is also popular in Singapore’s history. (Sinhapura= Lion City..)

    Many of our people have nothing to occupy themselves with. So they keep on insulting others who do not agree with them. That is a national trait though our main religion taught us just the opposite. Don’t get embroiled in these parochial dialogues too seriously. Just enjoy yourself as we do. Wish you a happy stay. Have some good tea!
    regards,
    H/man

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      His -story man,

      Haven’t you got your story all wrong, and confused poor Carl as a result?

      Where does it say “They are called Sinhala because their ancestor killed a lion”?

      Carl, the real story is that the author of the Mahavamsa fooled the gullible Sinhalese into believing that a lion mated with a human female and thus gave birth to the Sinhala tribe. Hence, Sinha(lion)lese.

      As Sharmini correctly points out “Perhaps that explains why, Mahavamsa-Buddhists, are so lethargic and bloodthirsty”, just like a lion.

      His -story man, Carl’s question is on the NATIONAL flag of Sri Lanka not totemistic flags.

      Yes Carl, we have a lion on our national flag because the stupid Mahavamsa indoctrinated Sinhalese believe they are decedents of a lion.

      You say “There are more Sinha’s in Bengal and Singh s in Punjab (Sikh Community and others)”. Further confusion.

      Carl is asking about Sinhala and Tamil surnames in Sri Lanka, not Bengal and Panjab!

      Yes Carl, those with surnames ending with ‘Singha/Sinha’ and ‘Singham’ are descendants of those who believed their forefather was a lion. However, since only the Sinhalese believe they descended from a lion and not the Tamils, I’m not sure how Tamils ended up with a ‘lion’ in their surname.

      His -story man, you ought to take history lessons afresh.

      What has a lion on flags of Yemen and Iran got to do with the Sri Lankan flag?

      Are you suggesting that we Sinhalese and Tamils are descendants of the al-Badr’s of Yemen and the Shah of Iran?

      Now, that would make us all Sinhalese and Tamils Muslims, wouldn’t it?

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        Dear Pandit Koralage,

        You said “Are you suggesting that we Sinhalese and Tamils are descendants of the al-Badr’s of Yemen and the Shah of Iran? Now, that would make us all Sinhalese and Tamils Muslims, wouldn’t it?”

        Evidence suggests that the Sinhalese (55%), Bengalis (28%) and Indian Tamils (17%) are the parent stock of Lanka Tamils. Hence Lanka Tamils are an offshoot of Sinhalese.

        If anyone living today, believes foolishly, in the story that an Animal has successfully fornicated with a human female to produce an offspring then All Lanka Tamils would also be descendants of a Lion!

        But perhaps someone who thinks All Yemenis and Iranians and their descendants should be Muslim just because they are Arab might even in this day of Scientific knowledge, believe in Mythical Crap such as God impregnating a monkey resulting in a “GodMonkey” or God impregnating a human female giving birth to a “GodHuman” who even rose from the dead is true.

        The inability to separate Ethnicity and Religion results in foolish conclusions.

        You further state As Sharmini correctly points out “Perhaps that explains why, Mahavamsa-Buddhists, are so lethargic and bloodthirsty”, just like a lion”

        When someone says “perhaps that explains why”, that someone, should have a belief in the statement made. Its true that perverted women and men practice Bestiality even in this day. But there is no record of a Dog, Horse, Cow, Pig etc fornicating with a Human to produce a live Cross-bred Offspring.

        Since you and Sharmini believes that this is possible, even remotely, either you have evidence that is not in the Public domain or both are insane.

        Please make a logical argument instead of dealing in Fables.

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          Dear Mr/Ms Off the Cuff,

          I mistakenly thought you were an educated and intelligent person until I came to end of your comment.

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            Dear Pandit Koralage,

            Are ALL Tamils Hindu?
            Are ALL Sinhalese Buddhist?
            You claimed ALL Iranians are Islamic just because they are Iranian!
            Since you are very intelligent and educated, can you please explain how you can tell a person’s Religion from his/her Ethnicity?

            Can you, being an Educated, Intelligent person with Wisdom, explain how Bestiality produces Live Offspring, as you and Sharmini claims?

            Please don’t duck the questions with another ad hominem argument. Please don’t be shy to share your wisdom with the CT readership.

            Best Regards,
            OTC

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      My understanding was that Vijaya’s father was called Sinha Bahu because His Arms(Bahu) were as strong as the legendary Lion’s! Not because he was a Lion, who fathered a Human! One has to take most Myths and Legends with a pinch of Salt and some Intelligence!

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    Dear Anpu,

    I hope the following will shed some light to this Chicken and Egg dilemma.

    What is the relationship between the Sinhalese, Lanka Tamils and the Moors of Lannka? Dr. Gautam K. Kshatriya in “Genetic affiliations of the Si Lankan population” (1995) states the following.

    The Bengalis, the Tamils, and the Veddahs are considered parental populations for the Sinhalese. The Bengali contribution is 25.41%, the Tamil (India) contribution is 69.86%, and the Veddah contribution is only 4.73%. Thus the Sinhalese have a predominantly Tamil (India) contribution followed by the Bengalis and the Veddahs. The fusion of the Veddahs and the Sinhalese was recorded in the ancient chronicles of Sri Lanka (Dipavamsa and Mahavamsa) as early as 543 B.C., but the Veddahs were subsequently pushed to the inhospitable dry zone for a long period of time under pressure from early colonizers.

    By studying the Sri Lankan Tamils, one can see that the Sinhalese, the Bengalis, and the Indian Tamils can be considered ancestral populations. The contribution of the Sinhalese to the Sri Lankan Tamils is 55.20%. Similarly, the Bengali contribution is 28.17% and that of the Indian Tamils is 16.63%. The results indicate a predominant influence of the Sinhalese (who already have a high contribution from the Indian Tamils) and the Bengalis to a lesser extent.

    It is an accepted fact that the Veddhas are indigenes of Lanka.

    The above Scientific study indicates that Lanka Tamils do not have any genetic contribution from the Veddha population who are the Sons of the Soil.

    Secondly, The Sinhalese have a 400% greater genetic connection with Indian Tamils than the Indian Tamils have with Lanka Tamils (69.86% for Sinhalese against 16.6% for Lanka Tamils).

    Thirdly, the Sinhalese contribution to the Lanka Tamil genome is 55%

    This indicates that the Lanka Tamils are an OFF SHOOT of ancient Sinhalese who have mixed with Indian Tamils at a later date.

    Indian Tamil + Bengali ——> Veddha = Sinhalese (Sinhalese are more Tamil than Lanka Tamils

    Sinhalese + Bengali —–> Indian Tamil = Lanka Tamil (Lanka Tamils are more Sinhalese than Tamil).

    The Sinhalese evolved in Lanka and the the Lanka Tamils evolved from the Sinhalese not vice versa as per the above scientific study.

    This explains why the Lanka Tamils do not have a continuous historical record in Sri Lanka as a separate entity. The Mahavamsa is as much a Historical record of the Lanka Tamils as it is of Sinhalese

    This is also a possible explanation for the majority population remaining as Sinhalese (as an offshoot is usually smaller than the main).

    The Sri Lankan Moors have not been found contributing to the Lanka Tamil genetic make up in any significant way but the Lanka Tamils for some strange reason has been consistently attempting to annex the Lanka Moors as their own while fighting and rejecting their own parentage!

    Any thoughts anyone?

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      Dear Mr/Ms Off the Cuff,

      After reading your two comments above, I’m sure Mr.Carl Smith is now not sure if the Sinhalese descended from a lion, Tamils, Veddhas, Bengalis,Yemenis or Iranians.

      You have contradicted yourself in both your comments above. But having read your previous comments, I’m not surprised.

      According to you, “Evidence suggests that the Sinhalese (55%), Bengalis (28%) and Indian Tamils (17%) are the parent stock of Lanka Tamils. Hence Lanka Tamils are an offshoot of Sinhalese.”

      Then you say, “The Bengalis, the Tamils, and the Veddahs are considered parental populations for the Sinhalese….. Thus the Sinhalese have a predominantly Tamil (India) contribution followed by the Bengalis and the Veddahs.”

      Adding to the confusion you say, “By studying the Sri Lankan Tamils, one can see that the Sinhalese, the Bengalis, and the Indian Tamils can be considered ancestral populations.

      The contribution of the Sinhalese to the Sri Lankan Tamils is 55.20%. Similarly, the Bengali contribution is 28.17% and that of the Indian Tamils is 16.63%. The results indicate a predominant influence of the Sinhalese…”

      Then you add “It is an accepted fact that the Veddhas are indigenes of Lanka.”

      Then how did “Indian Tamil + Bengali ——> Veddha = Sinhalese” happen?

      “Sinhalese + Bengali —–> Indian Tamil = Lanka Tamil”

      Adding to the confusion further you say “But perhaps someone who thinks All Yemenis and Iranians and their descendants should be Muslim just because they are Arab might even in this day of Scientific knowledge, believe in Mythical Crap……”

      Are you now suggesting that we are now descendants of Yemenis and Iranians, as well?

      “The inability to separate Ethnicity and Religion results in foolish conclusions.” Isn’t that what the Mahavamsa and fools like you who believe it have done?

      Off the Cuff, I’m now convinced that you and that confused [Edited out]Bandu de Silva are one and the same!

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        Dear Mr. Pandit Koralage,

        The inferences have been made using a Scientific Paper by Dr. Gautam K. Kshatriya in “Genetic affiliations of the Sri Lankan population” (1995).

        I have stated that very clearly in the second paragraph of my comment. Wonder how it escaped your attention. They say Fools rush in where Angles fear to tread!

        Very unfortunate that you don’t have the intelligence to realise I am only using that report and not making any claims about the genetic makeup.

        If you have doubts then you should address those doubts to Dr. Gautam K. Kshatriya, the author of the report. Perhaps you were in shock to learn of such a report in the first place!

        I also observe that you have a problem in comprehending the English Language. Else you would not have asked that silly Iranian/Yemeni question again. First time could have been a mistake but to repeat it a second time?

        Look around you, ALL Tamils are not Hindu, ALL Sinhalese are not Buddhists, ALL Moors are not Muslim, ALL Burghers are not Christian. A single Ethnicity will have a multitude of Religions within.

        You said ALL Yemenis and Iranians are Muslim. That is a fallacy.

        Hence I am not surprised at your inability to understand the more complex report of Dr. Kshatriya. Please take time to read it with care. It will help you to recover from your confusion.

        You say “Off the Cuff, I’m now convinced that you and that confused [Edited out]Bandu de Silva are one and the same!”

        Oh another Crystal Ball gazer!

        The discerning reader would be convinced who you are.

        Best Regards
        OTC

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          Dear Mr. Off the Cuff,

          I’m sorry to embarrass you on a public forum such as this, but I would like to draw your attention to your own words below-

          “I also observe that you have a problem in comprehending the English Language. Else you would not have asked that silly Iranian/Yemeni question again. First time could have been a mistake but to repeat it a second time?”

          Read your last sentence “……repeat it a second time”. This would mean I have said the same thing thrice and not twice.

          Now, who has the problem comprehending the English language?

          I also noticed that you misinterpret what others (including the author)state, which makes it very difficult to have an intelligent debate with you.

          I believe you do this deliberately, in order to provoke a debate. Unfortunately for you, this throws you up in poor light.

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            Dear Pandit Koralage,

            You cannot embarrass me as I am not shy to acknowledge my mistakes. I have no ego to massage! My pseudonym attests to that.

            Yes you are right and I am sorry about the error. It should have just read “First time could have been a mistake but to repeat it?”

            Now here is the question again.

            How can you identify the Religion of a person from his Ethnicity?

            It is a fallacy to assume ancestry can define Religiosity.

            My question to you is based on your question to “His Story Man”
            “Are you suggesting that we Sinhalese and Tamils are descendants of the al-Badr’s of Yemen and the Shah of Iran? Now, that would make us all Sinhalese and Tamils Muslims, wouldn’t it?

            Have you read the Scientific Paper by Dr. Gautam K. Kshatriya in “Genetic affiliations of the Sri Lankan population” (1995)?

            Any comments regarding Sinhalese being the majority parent to the Lanka Tamil Genetic make up and the Sinhalese being MORE Indian Tamil (400% more) than the Lanka Tamils themselves?

            You say “I also noticed that you misinterpret what others (including the author)state, which makes it very difficult to have an intelligent debate with you.”

            Easy to say impossible to prove.
            All you have to do is to point out the misinterpretation with a logical argument that supports your interpretation. Then if I am proved wrong I will apologise and correct myself. Without that logical argument it won’t be an intelligent debate.

            If you or anyone else cannot do that then the alleged misinterpretation does not exist and my rebuttal stands uncontested.

            Not all of Sharmini’s claims have been rebutted as I agree with some (please read what I have addressed to her). When I rebut I give my reasons and whenever possible I provide references. Hence no misinterpretations are made. Sharmini was free to reject what I wrote giving reasons like any self respecting author would have done but she failed. She does not have a license to slander unchallenged. The same applies to anyone including me. Writing the Truth is not Slander but Sharmini did not write the Whole Truth and nothing but the Truth.

            Sharmini’s previous article “Sri Lanka Has A 2600 Year-Old Culture?” Commences with an IF then DROPS the IF turning it to Fact. No reason given or argument presented. Viz “If what has become of Sri Lanka today is the legacy of a “2600-year old culture”, might we have been better off without any culture at all?”

            That is clever but cunning language. You don’t Question it because it suits your view but I do, as its not the whole Truth.

            Write Truthfully, with factual data, then you will find me agreeing with you. If you do anything else, you can count on my challenge.

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              Off the Cuff,

              “My question to you is based on your question to “His Story Man”

              Why are you butting in and answering a question posed to ‘History Man’?

              Are you and ‘History Man’ one and the same?

              Have you noticed, no one on this long comment thread has agreed with your stupid comments?

              Even MM (Jnr) has mentioned below “none of your comments have received votes for or against.”

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                Dear Pandit Koralage,

                You ask “Why are you butting in and answering a question posed to ‘History Man’?”

                Tut Tut Pandit Koralage have you not butted in on conversations? Let’s take a look shall we.

                His-story man addressed Carl on January 2, 2014 at 10:53 pm
                You butted in and questioned His-story man on January 3, 2014 at 9:21 am. I did not see His-story man complaining. That’s because he is no weakling.

                In fact in an open debate on the web, butting in is the name of the game. You do it, I do it, everyone else does it. Complaining is the strategy of the weak in order to avoid answers. And that is what you have done. Speaks for itself!

                I saw an illogical argument of yours in that post where you claimed the ability to identify Religiosity from Ethnicity. I challenged you to describe the Methodology. Instead of answering you hid behind trivialities and ad hominems. Which proved you were bluffing from the start. Several posts later, you are still trying to bluff your way.

                Logical debate is not your Forte, you depend on ad hominems to see you through. In all your replies you avoid answering direct questions. An egoistic person would be shy to admit a mistake.

                Since establishing the TRUTH is what I am after, winning or losing is immaterial. As declared before, I am always ready to apologise to anyone, who can establish, that my argument is wrong with a factual and logical counter argument.

                I call myself “Off the Cuff” and you call yourself “Pandit” (a wise man), a clear indication as to who massages an Ego.

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      Off the Cuff,

      There is an article titled ‘Marketing Buddhist Monk Pitiduwe Exposed’ on CT. Where are your ‘wise’ comments on that thread?

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        Dear Mahadana Muththa (Jnr),

        Thank you for bringing it to my notice.
        I will certainly comment after reading it.

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    Off-the Cuff.
    Which Sinhalese were subjected to this analysis? Was any distinction made between Tamil and Malayali, Telegu etc? Were they taken together as one type? Yes,if you take the Sinhalese of the Western/southern coast the South Indian 9as distinct from Tami) genetic component might even increase to over 80 per cent.It may be different with the Kandyans and other groups. The genetic studies cannot be carried on a superficial basis.Nothing is conclusive from these studies.

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      His story man,

      Off the Cuff is a nutjob. Don’t waste your time with him.

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        The Mafia tried all the thuggery at their command now they are reduced to heckling.

        I am aware that most of what I write is beyond you but please tell me, Does Bestiality produces Live Offspring? If yes then that will be a medical marvel. Can you give any reference from any Respected Scientific Magazine?

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          Does Bestiality produces Live Offspring?

          YES!

          Can you give any reference?

          THE MAHAWANSAYA! (The Greatest Pali Chronicle of Lanka).

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            Dear Tikiri Banda,

            What I said was If yes then that will be a medical marvel. Can you give any reference from any Respected Scientific Magazine?

            So you believe that the Mahavamsa is a Respected Scientific Magazine?

            That is really Dumb!
            What will Sharmini say to that?

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      Dear His story man,

      I have given you the name of the report and the author. Please check the Internet. It’s available there.

      I only used the Data from the report.

      Best Regards
      OTC

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        Dear His Story Man,

        Here are the wiki source pages

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Sri_Lankan_Tamils

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Sinhalese

        Hope this will help. The original report is also available on the net.

        You are arguing well. Just don’t allow the thugs to distract you. Keep in mind that your real audience is the intelligent reader and not the Mafia imbeciles heckling you. Any post that does not address content and focuses on ad hominem arguments is written by an imbecile.

        Stones are not thrown at barren trees but those bearing fruit.

        Kind Regards,
        OTC

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    Dear Netizen,

    You state “….much of the descriptions are metaphorical: An example from this article, “The Buddha walked out of his mother’s womb, and walked seven steps, while lotuses blossomed, under his feet!.. could be a metaphor to the fact that when the Buddha was born, his seven treasures were already purified.”

    That statement was made by a complete antithesis of the so called “…‘academically’ educated, and supposedly intelligent ‘Buddhists’, but sadly lacking in wisdom,..”. Additionally despite her Convent education, she was a disciple of an eminent Buddhist Scholar, the much respected Ven Piyadassi Thero from whom she learnt unadulterated Buddhist philosophy. She therefore is not corrupted by the Mahavamsa.

    Even a Buddhist child would know that the Buddha was not born but self made, 35 years after Siddhartha was born. That’ is what is taught to every Buddhist child. Question and ridicule the myth by all means but adding indecent embellishments to shock an awe is not acceptable. Any woman knows a baby cannot crawl out of a womb let alone walk out.

    Thus that statement coming from a Wise, Academically Educated, intelligent Buddhist, steeped in Buddhist knowledge, is to say the least indecent and in bad taste. She was writing about the Buddha, the source of her Buddhist knowledge.

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      “The Buddha walked out of his mother’s womb, and walked seven steps, while lotuses blossomed, under his feet!.”

      YES, the above statement is TRUE!

      For reference please read,

      THE TRIPITIKA! (The Greatest Pali Cannon of the Theravada Buddhists written in Lanka).

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        Tikiri Banda,

        Did Queen Mahamaya give birth to Siddhartha in water for him to walk on lotus flowers? What a feet to walk on flowers just as been born? From where did he find the little robe he is wearing? I am sure he must have worn it while inside the womb. Only thing is please do not laugh at others for believing in an unseen God, because this belief of yours is bad enough.

        It is generally believed that if the mother dies soon after birth, the child is considered an unlucky child. Sidhartha can not be an exception.

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          Gamini,

          “It is generally believed that if the mother dies soon after birth, the child is considered an unlucky child. Sidhartha can not be an exception.”

          You have a good point here.

          As Prince Siddhartha was born a Hindu, perhaps he was treated as an unlucky child. This may have caused him to go on his chosen path.

          I find it hard to believe that any human being could have lived for 29 years without seeing the elderly, the sick, death and an ascetic.

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        Dear Tikiri Banda,

        Another comment like your previous one about Bestiality producing Offspring.

        I know that “Tikiri” means small or in your case the Junior Banda.
        Never thought it also applies to the brain as well as your name. Hope it does not apply to anything else of yours!

        Kind Regards
        OTC

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          Off the cuff,

          You are insulting (showing contempt) to the Buddhist sacred scriptures by your above comment. How can you question the Buddhist scriptures? You should be punished for blasphemy. Are you just another LTTE rump?

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          Off the cuff,

          You are insulting (showing contempt) to the Buddhist sacred scriptures by your above comment. How can you question the Buddhist scriptures? Do not talk about other peoples religion if you are ignorant. You should be punished for blasphemy. Are you just another LTTE rump?

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            Dear Tikiri Banda,

            You are out of your depth Tikiri Banda. Blasphemy is not a concept available in Buddhist scriptures. It is however an important concept in all forms of Christianity, Islam and perhaps Hinduism to put Fear of God in to the subjects. May be a “Tikiri someone” with a “Tikiri Molay” would have no knowledge of that. At one time Christians punished blasphemy with death and so did the Muslims. It was needed to prevent those with intelligence corrupting the simple minds of the believers to keep the flock in it’s fold.

            You say “Do not talk about other peoples religion if you are ignorant”

            So you are not a Buddhist after all. Thought you could use Sharmini’s misguided article to have a swipe at Buddhist Philosophy? You were mistaken just like the others.

            Here is something for you to think about.

            God Created Adam from dust and then created Eve from Adam.
            They procreated and produced children perhaps one baby each year. Even if the parents lived a 150 years from adult hood to death (they did not have a childhood) they could have produced about 150 children in their life time.

            Since ALL the second generation were Adam and Eve’s CHILDREN and the Children were Brothers and Sisters how did they procreate to produce the 7 billion humans of today?

            Next time use Logic and Facts to prove Bestiality can produce a human/animal crossbreed. God did not confer that ability on those that He created. Going against your own God you have been Blasphemous. Should you not rush to the nearest confessional?

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              Off the cuff booruwa,

              If you are not a Buddhist then why are you insulting other people’s religion (Buddhism)? You are behaving like a Puttalam Booruwa. If you do not know other people’s religion, either you should keep quite or learn it.

              The Majjhima Nikāya states that the Buddha had more superpowers than any other being including being able to walk on water which is further verified in the Aṅguttara Nikāya. The Buddha could multiply into a million and then return, he could travel through space, he could make himself as big as a giant and then as small as an ant, walk through mountains, he could dive in and out of the earth, he could travel to Heavens to school the Gods and return to earth.

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                Dear Mr. Tikiri Banda,

                Even though you are a Tikiri person with a tikiri intellect it would be wise to understand a post before commenting on it.

                I practise the Buddhist doctrine not the hocus pocus.

                I made a logical observation. Why are you offended?

                BTW Siddhartha was born. It took him 35 years to be a Buddha. There was no Baby Buddha like a Baby Jesus.

                Kind Regards
                OTC

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    Mr. Pandit Koralage is absolutely correct. I’m thoroughly confused.

    I have re-posted my questions below and I would like to kindly request Messrs. Off the Cuff and History Man to refrain from confusing me further with their comments.

    I would like straight forward answers from a person who understands my questions and can answer them intelligently.

    I’m a foreigner living in Sri Lanka with my wife since our retirement.

    We both speak and understand a little Sinhalese, so we would like some answers to the following questions-

    Do the Sinhalese really believe, they are descendants of a Lion?

    Is that why they are called ‘Sinha (lion)lese? Is that why there is a Lion on the National flag of Sri Lanka?

    Is that why several Sinhala and Tamil family names end with ‘Sinha’ and ‘Singham’?

    Since there are no lions to be found in Sri Lanka, but plenty of elephants, would it not be more appropriate to have an elephant on the national flag, instead of a lion?

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      Dear Mr Carl Smith,

      Your questions as a foreigner seeking information has been adequately answered by “His Story Man”. If you want confirmation you could ask the Sinhalese that you meet in your day to day activities. Have you done that yet?

      My intervention was to challenge The Pandit and was addressed to him.
      Pandit was being an opportunists, using red herrings to confound “His Story Man”.

      Pandit was claiming that Iranians etc are Muslims because the are Iranian etc.
      As an intelligent person, would you say that all Englishmen are Anglican Christians just because of their ethnicity?

      Hence I am sorry I cannot accede to your request and leave this comment thread open to opportunist Propaganda. Your best source of information is the common Sinhalese that you meet on a day to day basis where you could conduct your own survey else just check the Internet.

      Please listen to “His Story Man” if information is all that you require.

      You ask “Do the Sinhalese really believe, they are descendants of a Lion?”

      Let me ask a counter question to illustrate a point. Do you as an Elderly educated foreigner from the west, believe that Bestiality can produce Live Offspring? Have you ever in your life come across such a recorded event? I haven’t. Hence that question should not have been asked.

      Sri Lanka has one of the highest literacy rates in the world (the US Library of Congress). DO you think we will believe that Bestiality Myth?

      BTW- Richard the 1st was not called Richard the Lionheart because he had a Lion’s heart beating inside his bosom.

      You ask “Is that why they are called ‘Sinha (lion)lese? Is that why there is a Lion on the National flag of Sri Lanka?”

      The answer to the first part you already know.
      The answer to the second part is easily accessible on the Internet which you have access to, if you are not satisfied with the explanation given by “His Story Man”.

      BTW – The Royal Arms of England is a coat of arms symbolising England and the English monarchs. The three lions depicted in it does not signify any genetic connection to either to England or their Monarchs.

      You ask “Is that why several Sinhala and Tamil family names end with ‘Sinha’ and ‘Singham’?”

      Again let me ask a counter question to give you a better perspective.

      A Smith is a Metal worker or a Blacksmith (a Smithy is where a Blacksmith works).

      There are many Smiths in the West.
      It would be childish of me to ask “Are All persons named Smith Metal workers?”

      You ask “Since there are no lions to be found in Sri Lanka, but plenty of elephants, would it not be more appropriate to have an elephant on the national flag, instead of a lion?”

      The USA uses Stars in their Flag but there are no Stars on Earth. Yet they use it and it is their choice. We could have used a Coconut tree or a Bird or a flower or whatever. But we have used a Lion and that is our choice. So shall we leave it at that please?

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        Off the Cuff,

        In case you haven’t noticed, none of your comments have received votes for or against.

        This means no one is taking your comments seriously.

        Are you so thick skinned that you haven’t got the hint?

        At least the other pea-brained, like Jim Softy, Sach, Kirithi Jayasekera etc have got the message.

        What will it take to shut you up?

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          Dear Mr Mahadenamuttha Jr,

          Delude yourself with the thumbs up and thumbs down but you did try to debate with me as a thug would, just like your friends did and all bit the dust. So that would give you an inkling as to who has a thick skin.

          ” What will it take to shut you up?”

          Not ad hominem arguments or the Mafia Thugs for sure.

          But haven’t you noticed Sharmini has been Totally dumb.

          And you seem to be reading ALL my posts and having a hard time rebutting them.

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            Off the Cuff,

            You seem to be regarding everyone who doesn’t agree with you as a “thug”.

            After reading your comments, it’s obvious that you are the “thug” on this thread. And an ill-bred,uncouth and an uneducated one at that!

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              Dear Pandit Koralage,

              you say “You seem to be regarding everyone who doesn’t agree with you as a “thug””

              No not all of them, only those who use Mafia tactics to silence the opposition.

              You only have to read this discussion to know the type of tactics Katakarawala and his friends employ. He said I am Keerthi, you asked whether I am “His-story man” (January 5, 2014 at 8:15 am), many others think expletives and ad hominems are a replacement for Logical Argument. See how Sach is hounded using Mafia tactics. You have even used an unprintable expletive against someone called Bandu de Silva who you say is me! (January 3, 2014 at 9:20). Non of that has succeeded against me because my arguments a factual. Prove me wrong.

              You say “it’s obvious that you are the “thug” on this thread. And an ill-bred,uncouth and an uneducated one at that!”

              I have check mated you and your friends and all you have to offer is More expletives! Try arguing your case instead.

              In a previous post you say “Have you noticed, no one on this long comment thread has agreed with your stupid comments?”

              More importantly, not a SINGLE amongst those who think they are Wise, succeeded in countering those “stupid” comments. Would that be because the “wise” are really stupider?

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                Off the Cuff,

                Now I’m convinced you are a senile old donkey.

                “You have even used an unprintable expletive against someone called Bandu de Silva…..”

                The comment on Bandu de Silva was made by Mahadana Muththa (Jnr) NOT me!!!!!

                Here it is-

                Mahadana Muththa (Jnr)
                January 3, 2014 at 1:37 pm

                “Bandu de Silva, Are you really a career diplomat? Seriously?

                If you are, then the examiners who passed you must have made a very serious miscalculation!

                You have obviously crammed your way into becoming an academic, but despite your advancing years, wisdom has evaded you.

                No amount of cramming nor advancing years can give one wisdom! People like you are living proof of that.

                There is nothing ‘diplomatic’ nor even gentlemanly about the uncouth rubbish you have dished out as a comment. It is all about vulgarly insulting the writer (and a lady at that)based on your stupid assumptions.

                You display all the attributes of a racist Mahavamsa Sinhala-Buddhist, who resorts to insults when unable to put forward a wise and intelligent counter argument. Perhaps you are too stupid and senile to do that.

                I hope this is not how you ran the diplomatic missions you headed.

                Since you yourself have admitted ” I do not belong to the ‘broad-minded and wise’ group….” you should have taken the writer’s advice and passed, without embarrassing yourself here, with your inane comments.

                You say “one like this would have to pay by receiving a Fatwa for blasphemy,-to be put to death by stoning”. What kind of a human being are you?

                Honestly Bandu Silva, don’t you know the definition of “blasphemy”?

                If you are accusing the writer of “blasphemy” because of her criticism of your Sinhala-Buddhism where you regard the Buddha as a God, then yes her article is blasphemous of the Mahavamsa Sinhala-Buddhist ‘religion’.

                But is her article blasphemous of the Buddha and the Dhamma? The answer is an emphatic NO!

                You say “Her assertion is good for an Evangelical school run by American missionaries, where probably she is a part now as her writing demonstrates .One would not be surprised if she is not part of that circuit. That is an opinion.”

                Is this an “opinion” of a a so called career diplomat? Seriously? It sounds more like a comment made by the BBS and its ilk.

                Good grief, no wonder our foreign service is down in the dumps with ‘diplomuts’ like you.

                There is so much hatred and venom in your comment that only proves you are anything but a sincere and genuine Buddhist. You are the epitome of an irreverent, racist Sinhala-Buddhist.

                Once again, you should have taken the writer’s advice and passed. Her message is too deep and advanced for a pea-brain like you to grasp.

                Mahadana Muththa (Jnr)
                January 4, 2014 at 11:40 am

                Bandu de Silva, Are you a diplomat? Really? If you are a ‘diplomat’ then I should be the UN Secretary General!”

                Off the Cuff, you too seem to be a pea-brain like Bandu Silva, hope you are not a “diplomut” too!

                Pandit Koralage

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                  Dear Pandit Koralage,

                  You said “Now I’m convinced you are a senile old donkey. “You have even used an unprintable expletive against someone called Bandu de Silva…..” “The comment on Bandu de Silva was made by Mahadana Muththa (Jnr) NOT me!!!!! ”

                  You are an imbecile to make such a statement when the evidence is not far away. You should be ashamed of blaming someone else for your misdeeds. Even though I don’t see eye to eye with Mahadenamuttha I don’t see the CT moderator intervening to edit what he has written in the post you have reproduced. In your case the moderator has intervened and deleted your expletive because it was UNPRINTABLE.

                  Your comment starts with

                  “Dear Mr/Ms Off the Cuff,

                  After reading your two comments above, I’m sure Mr.Carl Smith is now not sure if the Sinhalese descended from a lion, Tamils, Veddhas, Bengalis,Yemenis or Iranians.”

                  and ends with

                  “Off the Cuff, I’m now convinced that you and that confused [Edited out] Bandu de Silva are one and the same!”

                  Pandit Koralage January 3, 2014 at 9:20 pm

                  Emphasis mine

                  You wrote that comment though like a coward you are trying to blame Mahadenamuttha Jr. because he used Bandu de Silva’s name earlier.

                  I wouldn’t know whether you are a senile old whatever but certainly you look a backstabber. That’s what you have done to Mahadenamuththa to save your skin!

                  Where is you honesty and Integrity?

                  BTW you have not yet told us how to tell Religiosity from Ethnicity!

                  Kind Regards,
                  OTC

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      Carl Smith

      The Story of the Lion (National) flag

      It is believed that the first Lion Flag was displayed at the Kandyan Kingdom by the last Kandyan King Sri Wickrema Rajasinghe who was from the Nayakkar (Royal) family that ruled Madurai, Tamil Nadu.

      Some Sinhalese believe that the flag carried by King Dutu Gemunu to Vijithapura Battle was a lion on a red background. The only source for this belief was the painting on the Dambulla Golden Rock Cave Temple, but this is not true because when Prof. Paranawithana reproduced the drawing in his famous book ‘Sinhalayo’ he showed a flag without the picture of the lion. It is interesting to note that the mural was painted at the Dambulla temple about 200 years ago, after the arrival of the Europeans and the European Lion.

      In 1908, the opposition leader Ranil Wickramasinghe’s maternal grandfather D. R. Wijewardena (the famous NEWS paper man and the founder of the Lake House publishing) discovered three Sri Lankan banners at Chelsea Hospital, England, and one of them was believed to be the banner of the last King of Kandy, Sri Wickrama Rajasinghe.

      He sketched the flag and later the Royal flag with the emblem of the Lion holding a sword in its right paw (It did not have the saffron and green stripes as well as the four bo-leaves) was printed in colour.

      The first time the Lion flag became a centre piece of attraction and the public became aware of the actual design of the flag was when D. R. Wijewardena in his Sinhala newspaper ‘the Dinamina’ issued a special edition of the paper on March 2, 1915. On the front page were portraits of the last King and Queen of Kandy surmounted by the royal insignia Crown and the Lion flag in colour.

      In 1948 Jan 16, Hon. A. Sinnalebbe the Muslim MP for Batticaloa District brought a motion in the State Council that Lion Flag of King Sri Wickrama Rajasinghe should be made the national flag of the country.

      Then Prime Minister D.S. Senanayake named an Advisory Committee for the formulation of a National Flag. The Members of the Committee were Mr. S.W.R.D. Bandaranaike (Chairmen), Sir John Kotalawela, Mr. J.R. Jayewardene, Mr. T.B. Jayah, Dr. L.A. Rajapakse, Mr. G.G. Ponnambalam, Senator S. Nadesan, and Dr. Senarath Paranavithana (Secretary).

      The Tamils did not accept the Lion flag then and they do not accept it even now. The Nandi flag (cow) was the flag of the royal family of Jaffna. This was the flag raised by Tamils in Jaffna on the independence day of 1948. The Lion flag was not official, instead of raising a Lion flag that the Tamils know nothing about, they settled for the Nandi flag, something they are more familiar.

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        Dear Mr. Prasad,

        Thank you for your explanation, but I still can’t understand the ‘fixation’ on the lion.

        Why do some Sri Lankans have names ending with ‘singhe or singham’? For instance, names like Wickremasinghe, Rajasingham etc.

        I believe ‘Singha’ means lion in Sinhalese.

        Please enlighten me.

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          Carl this is what a Sinhalese professor of history has informed the Dutch University of International Studies studying Asian culture.

          SRI LANKA
          JEWEL IN THE OCEAN
          o ancient mariners, Sri Lanka was Ratnadipa, the land of gems. By about the fifth century BC peoples from northern India had settled on the island. Legends mention the name of their leader, prince Vijaya. The settlers were called Sihalas–‘people of the Lion’–because Vijaya’s father was actually believed to have been a lion. Within four centuries most of the islanders had accepted Buddhism, and from 67 until 993 C.E. the city of Anuradhapura was the political and religious centre of the island. Giant reservoirs were built for irrigation. However, it was not rice, but rather cinnamon and the elephant trade that attracted Western traders. To control the Sri Lankan cinnamon trade, the VOC conquered the port town of Colombo from the Portuguese in 1656 and there established its largest colonial settlement in Asia save Batavia (Jakarta).

          Only Stupid Mahanama Buddhist Sinhalese can write this too:
          Buddha Cut his Head and handed over to listerner??
          The Chinese monk Faxian (also called Fa-Hien) writing of his visit to Taxila in 405 CE, mentions the kingdom of Takshasila (or Chu-cha-shi-lo) meaning “the Severed Head”. He says that this name was derived from an event in the life of Buddha because this is the place “where he gave his head to a man”.[19] Xuanzang (also called Hieun Tsang), another Chinese monk, visited Taxila in 630 and in 643, and he called the city as Ta-Cha-Shi-Lo. The city appears to have already overrun by the Huns and been in ruins by his time. Taxila is called Taxiala in Ptolemy’s Geography.[20] In the Historia Trium Regum (History of the Three Kings) composed by John of Hildesheim around 1375, the city is called Egrisilla.[21]
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          The Chinese had a classical language the Sinhalese did not. Longmen Grottoes Loyang China the biggest Buddha in the world (100k statutes) was constructed between 490CE-1127CE.(So the man was a bit disappointed because the first Buddha to China was from Tamil Nadu: Bodhidharma was a Buddhist monk who lived during the 5th/6th century CE;) The same time the Hindu kings of the Deccan continued with the 2nd phase of Ajanta and Ellora 450CE -600CE bringing it to a close- Walter M. Spink, have argued that most of the work took place over the very brief period from 460 to 480 CE,[17] during the reign of Emperor Harishena of the Vakataka dynasty. Like Sigiriya (“The second phase of paintings started around 5th – 6th centuries A.D. and continued for the next two centuries”.) It is Tamil architecture of the gopuram.-the south is part of the Deccan and was ruled(cholas, pandayans, cheri) but not by the northern folk and rarely by the mughals.

          The nationalist Sinhalese are general Dutch Slaves brought from Patna Bihar. Like all slaves some ran into the jungle. The Dutch first established a post at Patna and took slaves from there to Suriname but not from Bengal or Tamil Nadu though they had many trading post.How they came from the west is understanding European history and Carlos 1st Emperor of Rome and his Dutch Mistress.
          The Sinhalese have an identity crisis only they have to admit that they are they cause. “Arysingha” Aryan is the place of Iranians residence.
          Sanskrit word सिंह Simha meaning Lion.the Hindu Kshatriyas (warriors and kings)By the sixteenth century, “Singh” had become a popular surname among the Maratha and Rajput warriors.the surname “Singh”, which used to denote connection with power and authority, was used in Bihar by Brahmin zamindars, like the surname “Khan” in Muslims.[4] “Singh” has gradually emerged as a hereditary title[5] to be used as a middle name, highlighting connections to a warrior status or occupation. The surname has also been widely adopted by other groups of India like Yadavs and Jats. However, this is not an exclusive usage, and many Hindu groups including Scheduled Castes and Vaishya have adopted this title without any significant warrior status or ties. Buddhist are Schedule Caste!!

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        beliefs in such things that add to their nationalism is nothing specific to sinhalese. The same can be seen every where. For examples the kumari kandam is another example for a hoax well engrained in a national psychic.

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      Sinhalese dont believe they are descendants of a lion. Just look around you and do you see people from 5 AD. Actually asking such a question itself is stupid.

      Lion is a symbol of the sinhala people. That is why it is in our flag as well. Now lion is not only a symbol of sinhala people but also of the whole of SL.

      For example England has three lions as its national symbol. Why because it is for symbolising. The same apply here. The lion was an animal which had respect and edmiration through out human civilisation all over the world. That is why.

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    Baka Pandita,
    1. “Where does it say “They are called Sinhala because their ancestor killed a lion”?”-[Pandita Koralage.]

    You are a shame. How did you get that first part of your name? Change it today to “Modaya” or “Dum-koff.” If you cannot read intelligently, or if you do not understand SL History but just want to bash the chronicle just pass w/o making ass yourself. Haven’t I answered Carl’s Qs one by one quite clearly? Without making silly remarks you should point out where I have got it wrong. If Carl had any problems he would have asked me. Your rushing in on his behalf reminds me of the saying “fools rushing where angels fear to tread”?
    You say (1)I have got my story wrong and confused Carl. What rubbish.
    (2) You want to know where it is said “They are called Sinhala because their ancestor killed a lion”?
    I did not want to refer Call to the Sinhala wording in the 8th century text or give details contained in it, because his Qs were simple and needed simple answers, and the Hela Sinhala in that text would have been difficult even for an ordinary Sinhalese, like, for example, “Vidae Kumaru” for “Vijaya Kumaraya”_Prince Vijaya)and words like ‘lu’ (killed).it is clearly stated there that it was because his father killed (lu)that the name Sihala came.
    I will not educate you on Sinhala texts. Mahavamsa never tried to explain how the word ‘Sinhala’ originated, though you are bashing that chronicle on that account along with sharmini. it is this 8th century Sinhala text which for the first time tried to explain the word’sihal’ not any other. You are such a nincompoop it is useless my wasting time on you quoting the Hela Sinhala in which that text is written. Go to the real source man if you want to pretend to be intelligent enough to join this forum. Ask someone who knows. Ask Prof.K.N.O Dharmadsa for instance, who pointed to the occurrence of the idea of ‘Sinhala’ in the literature of the country, and highlighted this text. He will educate you if there is any steak of intelligence in you.

    Next Point:
    “His -story man, Carl’s question is on the NATIONAL flag of Sri Lanka not totemistic flags.” he says “Yes Carl, we have a lion on our national flag because the stupid Mahavamsa indoctrinated Sinhalese believe they are decedents of a lion”.Mahavamsa never did so. It only related a story.
    Look what stupidity! Isn’t the idea that the Lion flag owes its origin to a totemastic past good enough an explanation. That has been pointed out by other scholars. I pointed to such totemestics flags being used in the country (They are used even today in temple Peraheras in Provinces) and that Lion symbol had came to stay. I pointed to the presence of the lion holding a sword in the flags of two foreign dynasties for comparison as a matter of curiosity.
    Modaya, it is not me who ought to take history lessons afresh but you, but your post exposes your dim-wit so much one doubts if you have the capacity. Modaya does not even understand why the information about the presence of the name ‘Sinha’ in Bengal and ‘Singh’in Punjab was mentioned,that is to show that ‘Sinha’ was not unique to Sri Lanka. Modaya does not have an answer to why Tamils also have it.
    No ruler of the island or people used the suffix “Sinha” to their name till the 15th century. Rajasinha I of Sitwaka was first to use it,perhaps, under the influence of Arittakivendu,(Kokkan-payya) who converted him to Saivism. Rajasinha II of Kandy followed but Tamil Kings of Jaffna like Edirimaanasingham also used it. They called themselves Cinkai-Aryan. It is called the Cinkai dynasty and the Capital was called Cinkai. It was used in South India and came to be used by Kandyan kings of the Vaduga line. Why? The Sinhalese chiefs who distinguished in war/battles were given the honourifics like Wickramasinha,Jayasinha,Weerasinha, Munasinha etc.(never Rajasinha)but Rajasinham is used but ordinary Tamils. Other “Sinha” ending honourifics came to be awarded from late Kotte times but later become family names. This is again a South Indian influence rather than one of origin in the country. Following this man’s logic, did the Tamils use these Singha name also because of a belief in lion -ancestry? Modaya is puzzled!
    3.Our man says:”As Sharmini correctly points out “Perhaps that explains why, Mahavamsa-Buddhists, are so lethargic and bloodthirsty”, just like a lion.” I do not want to comment on this weird logic of the earlier writer and the one who approves it. it is weird because if you reject the story of the lion-origin of the ‘race, ‘you cannot use it again to prove a characteristic of the people. Suffice it to ask if ‘bloodthirstiness’ is an exclusive Sinhalese characteristic? Didn’t one see it in abundance with Tamil terrorist groups, if one recalls, Aranthalawa, Kebitigollewa, Anuradhapura, Kalawnchikuddy massacres and the shooting of 600 Policemen who had surrendered. Or if one recalls, the pre Independence massacres in undivided India,Gujarti massacres of Muslims, and massacres of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi’s death; or race riots in Singapore and Malaysia, or the massacres of millions of Hutu tribesmen Africa. Any connection of these to a lion? As Shipler wrote in New York Time Magazine of March 8,2001, “deep character flows in nations,as in individuals, do not always disappear. They can be dormant., mutate, and emerging in crisis”.Sharmini and Koralage should grow up!
    I have tried to explain but this will be lost on a person like this Koralage.

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    Dear Carl,
    “Mr. Pandit Koralage is absolutely correct. I’m thoroughly confused. I have re-posted my questions below and I would like to kindly request Messrs. Off the Cuff and History Man to refrain from confusing me further with their comments. I would like straight forward answers from a person who understands my questions and can answer them intelligently.”

    You have virtually asked me to get off your post, haven’t you? and also concluded that my replies to you which were expressed in simple language, were not intelligent. If you did not have the intelligence to understand what I wrote which I am sure even 5th Grade child in this country would have, I am sorry I wasted my time on you. I offer you no TEA anymore. You have it with the dim-wits whom you have chosen to associate with. That also exposes who you are, and what your real agenda here.
    Though I took your Questions seriously and made a genuine effort to answer them, you did not even have a word of thank for that. You thought of biting the hand that fed you. What gratitude? Perhaps you did not bring that from overseas wherever you came from. That’s another matter.
    looking back, now I realize that you yourself had wanted to bring the people in your present host country to ridicule. That seems to be the real objective of your project, put in the form of an innocent looking inquiry. If not would any sane person ask a question if the Sinhalese believe they were first fathered by a beast? Ask your wife if that is possible?
    Now I no longer offer you curtsies. You have to be paid back in your own coin. Don’t think because you came from abroad that only they are intelligent and the people here are damn fools. if you hold on to such notions, I am sorry to say, with all our sense of hospitality, this is not the land for your retirement. P[a]ss off without trying to impose superior airs on local folk, which seems to be your real objective.

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      Dear Mr. History Man,

      Please accept my sincere apologies, I didn’t mean to offend you, but I got confused between your comments and those of Mr. Off the Cuff. I thought you were both, one and the same.

      My apologies once again.

      I do appreciate the effort you took in answering my questions and the sincere offer of a ‘cuppa’. You seem like a nice fella.

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    Going by the comments of both you, Messrs. Off the Cuff and History Man, I presume you are both Sinhalese.

    I’m sorry but neither of you have given clear answers to my simple questions.

    They manner in which both of you have retorted to Mr. Pandit Koralage is appalling. You both appear to have a very good command of the English language, so I’m sure you are both aware, that it’s possible to use it in a far more respectable way, sans insults, in a debate such as this.

    It is indeed interesting to note Mr. Off the Cuff’s suggestion “Your best source of information is the common Sinhalese that you meet on a day to days basis…..”

    My wife and I interact frequently, with not only the Sinhalese, Tamils and Muslims who live in peace and harmony. Of course they don’t speak English, but they are simple and wonderful people.

    So why would you Mr. Off the Cuff suggest, that my best source of information would be a Sinhalese. Why not a Tamil, as you claim that Tamils of Sri Lanka are descendants of the Sinhalese?

    I would greatly appreciate the likes of Messrs. Senguttuvan and Rajasingham Narendran to answer my simple questions.

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      Carl Smith

      “Do the Sinhalese really believe, they are descendants of a Lion?”
      YES!
      Due to the Mahavamsa, a fable written by someone monk with a vivid imagination, a large majority of the Sinhalese believe they descend from the Lion. However, they also show animalistic behavior, despite following one of the most passive and compassionate religions in the world – buddhism.

      “Is that why they are called ‘Sinha (lion)lese?”
      YES!
      It is said in MAHAVAMSA CHAPTER VII THE CONSECRATING OF VIJAYA,
      **But the king Sihabahu, since he had slain the lion (was called) Sihala and, by reason of the ties between him and them, all those (followers of VIJAYA) were also (called) Sihala.**

      “Is that why there is a Lion on the National flag of Sri Lanka?”
      Maybe, no idea….

      “Since there are no lions to be found in Sri Lanka, but plenty of elephants, would it not be more appropriate to have an elephant on the national flag, instead of a lion?”
      Regarding National flag I have posted another comment.

      “Is that why several Sinhala and Tamil family names end with ‘Sinha’ and ‘Singham’?”
      I do not think so…

      The main reason for all the above is IGNORANCE.

      There is a huge need to educate the Sinhalese and make them more historically, religiously, and socially aware so that they can get out of the Mahavamsa mindset but unfortunately the Sinhala politicians and pseudo-scholars are doing the opposite. Only a very few (handful) of educated, intelligent and wise people like Sharmini Serasinghe who are brave, bold and clever come out to do this great service in bringing the Sinhalese out from darkness to light.

      The Sinhalese erroneously believe that they are some sort of distinct lion-blooded Aryan tribe descended from Vijaya with a special claim to Lanka over everyone else. Much of this foolish thinking is largely due to Anagarika Dharmapala who promoted the silly and false idea of a pure Aryan Sinhala-Buddhist race, perhaps as a reaction to the inferiority he felt with regard to the British and in search of some sort of identity in the face of an opening up of the world. (If you read some of Anagrika Dharmapalas writing you will be shocked as to how much he actually loathed himself and the Sinhalese people whom he wanted to remake as a glorious race that the British would respect).

      Their silly story goes something like this: The Vijaya descended lion-blooded Sinhala-Buddhist has the foremost claim to the land of Lanka and they came to Lanka before the invading foreign Tamils. Us and Them Our Sinhala-Buddhist land versus Foreign Tamil invaders, and so on and on.

      Most Sinhalese are ignorant, and still continue to hold on to the Mahavamsa mindset and believe that Tamils are really foreign invaders or migrants, who the Sinhalese either could not repel or graciously permitted to settle.

      As I said at the beginning, to get rid of their mindset, the Sinhalese need to be educated properly.

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        You have brilliantly stated the truth, Prasad.

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        Dear Mr. Prasad,

        Your answers seem to be the most plausible. Thank you.

        However, I would still like to know why some Sri Lankans have names ending with ‘singhe’?

        I found the following in Wikipedia-

        “There are more than 40 Surnames use Singhe. Edirisinghe, Wikramasinghe, Sudusinghe, Gurusinghe…. Surnames ending with suffix -singhe (often pronounced as “sinha”) from the Sanskrit for “lion”. Weerasinghe (brave lion), Ranasinghe (fighter lion), Rupasinghe (beautiful lion).

        The word “Singh” is derived to Sanskrit सिंह Simha meaning lion.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_Asia#Sri_Lanka

        My question is, why do the Sinhalese associate their names with a lion? Is it because the Sinhalese are an off-shoot of the Tamils?

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        If carl smith is an intelligent person i dont think he would take Prasad’s answer for even two cents. The racism against Sinhala people is very clearly displayed in his answer. May be brain damage being unable to show even a single record for their version of history.

        Do sinhalese believe they originate from a lion? NO.
        Is that why they call themselves sinhala? Dont know, it is an ancient name.
        national flag? It is the symbol of Lankan nation.
        Elephant on flag? people dont add an elephant or a lion to a flag simply because it exists in its country. It is the symbolisation that matters. The same reason England has three lions as a national symbol.

        Mahvamsa saying sinhala people originated from a lion is not accepted by anyone. That was written in 5 AD and for a person living in that era such an occurence can be logical and realistic.
        that is the same for all the religious books, and any book written at that time. At the same time these are wealth of knowledge for learning history

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          Dear Mr. Sach,

          You seem to be a much nicer person than that overbearing and aggressive Mr. Off the Cuff.

          Frankly, after my unpleasant interaction with Messrs. Off the Cuff and History Man, I was beginning to think that the Sinhalese were a very aggressive ethnic group, when angry, just like a lion :-)

          However, since nobody so far, has been able to answer my question regarding Sinhalese names ending with Singhe/Singha, I was forced to draw my own conclusions.

          It seems logical that such names were borrowed from the Tamils as the Sinhalese were originally Tamils from India.

          Further, according to your history, the Sinhalese appear to have had more faith in Tamils than their own kind, as Tamils were appointed kings to rule over the Sinhalese.

          I also found some very interesting information courtesy Wikipedia on this topic-
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinhabahu

          Accordingly, Vijaya of Sri Lanka was a grandson of a lion and a human princess.

          Vijaya was an offspring of an incestuous relationship between a brother and a sister- Sinhabahu and Sinhasivali.

          Vijaya’s father Sinhabahu had hands and feet just like a lion’s paws. He committed patricide by killing his father (a lion).

          As suggested by Mr. Off the Cuff, I checked the veracity of this information from other Sinhalese folk in my neighbourhood, and they confirmed it.

          As such, now I know the Sinhalese fixation on the lion.

          I can also understand the writer’s (Ms. Sharmini Serasinghe)satirical essay above, on the Mahavamsa.

          By the way, to a foreigner, like myself, there is no distinguishing difference between the Sinhalese and Tamils. To me you both look the same.

          It is such a pity, that you people from the same stock, cannot live in harmony, in this beautiful country, blessed by nature.

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            For a foreigner your understanding or more correctly belief in Vijaya story is phenomenal. No sinhalese believe vijaya story like you. Yes people who made the sinhala nation came from India
            and many could be Tamils.

            That might be reason for their names. between dont ponder upon their names in your short stay, reading your stuff make others think you too suffer frm mahavamsa mentality. Dont think about it that much.

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          History is basically the capacity of the society in remembering the past. The mode of exerting this capacity differs from society to society. Anthropology and Archeology (ancient artifacts, ruins, potsherds, burials, coins, stone inscriptions, cave writings, rock edits, writings on Ola leaves, etc), ancient literature, chronicles, cultural anthropology, folk stories, historical linguists, etc are some of the tools to understand the history of a society. The ancient Tamil literature and the excavations (archeological findings) prove the existence of Tamils including Tamil Buddhists (Theravada and Mahayana) in the island from very ancient period.

          The Mahavihara monks of Anuradapura maintained Pali chronicles in Sri Lanka which were intended primarily to record the activities of the Theravada Buddhists. The Mahavamsa speaks ONLY of Theravada Buddhists and NOT Sinhala Buddhists. The Pali chronicles were written long after the events described took place (some of them more than 1000 years). Therefore these cannot be considered as accurate records of the events. These were written by Theravada Buddhist priests who mainly tried to convey a religious message using the events to illustrate the importance of the Theravada Buddhist religion, hence a very biased version. The description of the events had a very heavy religious flavor and the history was modified to glorify those kings who patronized and supported Buddhism and those who did not were portrayed as “bad kings”, or “invaders”. There was also a tendency to remain silent on the issues which did not portray Theravada Buddhism in a favorable light. It is also clear that the Mahavamsa is biased towards North India against the South. This may be because Buddhism and Pali came from there. Even the South Indian great Pali scholar Buddhaghosa who came to Sri Lanka from Tamil (Chola) country in the 5th Century AD and made a remarkable contribution to Buddhism was depicted (in the Mahavamsa) as a Brahmin from North India and born near Bodh Gaya showing a clear bias towards North Indians (Magadhi) against South. It has been trying to minimize the South Indian component of the Lankan culture, adopting an anti-Tamil attitude and trying to maximize on an imaginary North Indian component of Lankan culture.

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          Dear Sach,

          You say ” If carl smith is an intelligent person i dont think he would take Prasad’s answer for even two cents”

          You are absolutely right.

          Mr Prasad appears to be a fraud.

          Please see https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/mahavamsa-an-insult-to-the-buddha/comment-page-4/#comment-838571

          He did what the Kottoruwa (woodpecker) in the Sinhala proverb did.

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          Dear Sach,

          You have made an astute observation perhaps even you would not have known how accurate your observation is.

          ”If carl smith is an intelligent person i dont think he would take Prasad’s answer for even two cents”

          Mr Prasad appears to be a fraud.

          Please check the links for details.

          https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/mahavamsa-an-insult-to-the-buddha/comment-page-4/#comment-838571

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      Dear Mr Carl Smith,

      You are not the simple foreigner looking for information are you Carl?

      You say “I would greatly appreciate the likes of Messrs. Senguttuvan and Rajasingham Narendran to answer my simple questions”

      Sengutuwan is a Separatist Tamil and you seem to have a belief in him. He has not posted here and yet you name him to get your confusion remedied! Your slip is literally showing Mr Carl Smith or what ever it is.

      Mr Rajasingham is a down to earth Tamil, he speaks the truth and has earned my respect. I have defended him many a time when he was under attack by rabid separatist nationalistic Tamils. Mr Rajasigham says “I have read the English translation of the Mahavamsa several times. It is a valuable historical document that carries with it the prejudices and political objectives of a Buddhist monk. It not a Buddhist text or a message for Buddhists. It has become a tool to be misused in the hands of the monkeys who are our politicians and politicians who are also some of our Buddhist monks, since Pali script was discovered by Wilhelmina Geiger. If not for the Mahawamsa much of our ancient history will be lost to us. For me as a Tamil, the Mahawamsa at its essential core, sans the obvious biases, also tells at least in part the story of the Tamils in the Lanka of old” I agree with his sentiments and not with Sharmini and her bandwagon.

      You said ” It is indeed interesting to note Mr. Off the Cuff’s suggestion “Your best source of information is the common Sinhalese that you meet on a day to days basis……….. So why would you Mr. Off the Cuff suggest, that my best source of information would be a Sinhalese. Why not a Tamil, as you claim that Tamils of Sri Lanka are descendants of the Sinhalese?”

      Haven’t you lost sight of your own question Carl?
      Let me jolt your flagging memory. “Do the Sinhalese really believe, they are descendants of a Lion?”

      Common sense dictates that a Sinhalese would be able to give you the best answer. The best source would have been the common Sinhalese you meet, who as you say, “are simple and wonderful people” I assumed you possessed that common sense. I apologise for that assumption.

      You could have avoided your confusion by directly asking these simple and peace loving people whether they believe that they had a Lion as an ancestral Father. But Yet you want a Separatist Tamil Nationalist, Mr Sengatuwan, to dispel your doubts!

      When you want to know what your wife believes, you should ask your wife not the next door neighbour. Unless of course you believe that your neighbour knows your wife more intimately than you and that she confides her innermost secrets to him and not to you.
      If you don’t agree let me know why.

      What is interesting is your attempt at introducing a racial undertone to what I wrote. In the future, please do not attempt to bring any racial undertones disguised as simple questions.

      You say “They manner in which both of you have retorted to Mr. Pandit Koralage is appalling. You both appear to have a very good command of the English language, so I’m sure you are both aware, that it’s possible to use it in a far more respectable way, sans insults, in a debate such as this”

      Do you have some sort of filter between your eyes and your brain that interprets what your eyes see?

      Prasad December 27, 2013 at 12:06 pm
      Prasad December 29, 2013 at 12:31 pm
      Prasad December 27, 2013 at 3:14 am
      The many unprintables from Javi
      Mahadana Muththa (Jnr) December 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm
      Mahadana Muththa (Jnr) December 22, 2013 at 7:35 pm
      Unfortunately the page containing my response to Sharmani is missing https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/mahavamsa-an-insult-to-the-buddha/#comment-824840
      Else I could have referred you to some choice responses.

      Please go through the thread before you venture to make observations of that nature.

      Fortunately though my English is not impeccable it is good enough to take on a Native speaker and as you may have realised by now, I can be civil and sarcastic at the same time. My counter questions about Bestiality, Surnames and Stars would have drawn your ire though they are civil.

      Do you believe Bestiality produces Live Off Spring? You have not given an answer. If you know that it’s an impossibility then your Question was a derogatory slight in disguise.

      Do you believe the multitude of surnames in your part of the world has any literal connections with reality? Eg, Smiths are not necessarily descendants of Blacksmiths, Brown’s who are White need not have brown ancestor, you can even have an idiot named Wiseman.

      Was your fixation on the name intended to underline a Bestial ancestry?

      Why did you ask “These simple questions” within a controversial debate such as this, when you had the answer at your fingertips from more reliable sources on the Internet? The same Internet that you were using to read and post comments on this website!

      Though Sharmini and her bandwagon says so, Sinhalya is no Fool.
      Hence acting a simpleton deceives no one.

      Kind Regards,
      OTC

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        What is your point here? Why are you wasting this much of web space beating around the bush and finally nothing significant.

        Why are you insulting the Pali chronicle and the Pali cannon? Who the hell are you???

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          Dear Tikiri Banda,

          You ask “What is your point here?”

          I am sure you cant see the point because you believe the Mahavamsa is a Respected Scientific Journal and has scientific proof about living Human/Animal Crossbreeds (vide your comment January 4, 2014 at 7:27 pm).

          You also said that there is proof that a Baby can Walk out from a Mother’s womb (vide your comment January 4, 2014 at 7:34)

          I certainly don’t think that the Mahavamsa is a “Respected Scientific Magazine”.

          I don’t expect a confused Tikiri with a Tikiri intellect to understand but I am sure Sharmini and perhaps Carl has already understood.

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            Booruwa,

            Mahavamsa and Tripitaka are Respected much more than a Scientific Journal. Do you know Prof. Nalin Silva? He says Science is all rubbish, white man’s nonsence. Do not believe in Science, it keeps on changing but Mahavamsa and Tripitaka never changed for thousands of years. There are many things that are beyond science, Baby Buddha talking and walking is a fact that the scientists cannot understand.

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              Dear Mr Tikiri Banda,

              So now you respect the Tripitaka and the Mahavamsa?

              You see Tikiri with all things Tikiri have you heard of the Sinhala Proverb about the Dog that defecated on a stone?

              You are in the same predicament after citing the Mahavamsa as a Respected Scientific Journal.

              I have no regard for Prof Silva and his disciples. No wonder you put your foot in the mouth so often.

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      tamils in SL (not all) are descendants of sinhalese. As they have renunced their ethnicity or forced to renunce it is stupid to expect an answer from them. Simply because they are not sinhalese anymore. And your question is regarding sinhalese ne.

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        Dear Sach,

        There is a Scientific POSSIBILITY that the Lanka Tamils are an Off Shoot of Ancient Sinhalese. Please see my post of January 3, 2014 at 10:35 am for details.

        Sinhalese and Sri Lanka Tamils are considered Hybrid Populations.

        “The contribution (%) of ancestral populations to the hybrid populations (Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils) ……….

        The Bengalis, the Tamils, and the Veddahs are considered parental populations for the Sinhalese. The Bengali contribution is 25.41%, the Tamil (India) contribution is 69.86%, and the Veddah contribution is only 4.73%. Thus the Sinhalese have a predominantly Tamil (India) contribution followed by the Bengalis and the Veddahs. The fusion of the Veddahs and the Sinhalese was recorded in the ancient chronicles of Sri Lanka (Dipavamsa and Mahavamsa) as early as 543 B.C.

        By studying the Sri Lankan Tamils, one can see that the Sinhalese, the Bengalis, and the Indian Tamils can be considered ancestral populations. The contribution of the Sinhalese to the Sri Lankan Tamils is 55.20%. Similarly, the Bengali contribution is 28.17% and that of the Indian Tamils is 16.63%. The results indicate a predominant influence of the Sinhalese (who already have a high contribution from the Indian Tamils) and the Bengalis to a lesser extent. ‘

        The foregoing is an excerpt from Dr Kshatriya’s study.

        You can access the report here http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2007/6/15923_space.html

        It is also available elsewhere.

        Sach don’t be distracted by the hecklers (dismiss them with sarcasm) continue with your argument as objectively as you can.

        Their are many out there who do not write for fear of being embarrassed by the heckling. That Silent Majority is who you should reach out to.

        Kind Regards,
        OTC

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    Dear CT Editor,

    Is it possible for you to leave out comments made by this person called ‘Off the Cuff’?

    His interceding nonsensical comments are crowding out the sensible comments.

    He also insults those who don’t agree with him (all others)on this thread.

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      Dear Charitha,

      So you want a website that will allow you to publish tripe without an opposition? Scared to see Truth staring in your Face?

      Is Javi a friend of yours?
      Does that make sense to you?

      Well my friend you should learn to argue your case instead of being a cry baby.

      Kind Regards
      OTC

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        Off the Cuff,

        You asked me in one of your numerous stupid comments above,

        “Does Bestiality produces Live Offspring? If yes then that will be a medical marvel. Can you give any reference from any Respected Scientific Magazine?”

        Yes. Go look in the mirror and discover the “medical marvel”!

        Btw, you are getting your English in a twist-
        “Does Bestiality produces……”

        It should be “”Does Bestiality produce……..”

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          Dear Kattakarawala,

          I have asked you many things that you have failed to answer.

          You have also lost your intimidatory tone, the braggadocio and the arrogance that you welcomed me with. You will learn some more as time passes.

          Thank you for that remark but I know who both my parents are.
          But your behaviour makes me wonder, whether you know your father.

          BTW – Thank you for correcting my English error. To err is human. It would be nice if you could focus on the argument rather than my English and counter the argument logically and truthfully.

          Kind regards
          OTC

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      I fully agree.

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        I fully agree with Charitha and Psychologist. Off the cuff is an undesirable creature.

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          Clap Clap clap!!!

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    Replying to comments by ‘Off the Cuff’ is grist for his mill.

    Just ignore.

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      Dear Psychowhatever,

      That’s an astute observation.
      Hope your friends who find Logic and Truth a strange component to their debating style, take your considered opinion to heart.

      Whenever I see holes in arguments and overt and covert propaganda I certainly will highlight and challenge them.

      Those who do not agree have two choices

      1. Accept their were lying or stretching the truth by their Silence.
      2. Make a counter argument logically and truthfully and prove me wrong

      If I am proven wrong I will apologise without hesitation and correct myself.

      BTW as a Scientist (you are a scientist I presume), you should know for a fact that Bestiality is not dead in today’s world. Have you seen any scientific record of a Human/Animal cross bread on Earth. If you have, can you refer me to that Scientific Journal please?

      Please continue with your valuable work.

      Kind Regards,
      OTC

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