Saturday 31 Aug. witnessed the gathering of a few hundred persons at Trimmer Hall at 3:30 PM. The event was chaired by Ahilan Kadirgamar for The Forum for Tamil Muslim Relations.
Proclaimed the banner on the stage, “Forum for Tamil Muslim Relations – Justice, Equality, Relations,” drawing our attention to the need for concerted efforts at justice for the displaced Muslims, and help to resettle them. Senior Lecturer Dr. Ms. S. Krishnakumar of the University of Jaffna read out a statement by the Women’s Forum on Tamil Muslim Relations which will go into a book. Kadirgamar and other speakers lamented how the return of the displaced refugees to their original homes had been abysmally slow. Many had been living as refugees for 25 years, i.e., almost a generation, and their return to Jaffna was a return to a strange place for their children who see their areas of refuge like Puttalam as their real home now. Out of an estimated 8,000 refugee families originating from Jaffna, 2,200 have registered their desire to return, and out of these, only 600 are living in Jaffna amidst difficulties.
How wide the gulf has grown was seen when Ms. A. C. Jancy, the Principal of Khatheeja Girls’ School, described in her speech in perfect Tamil, how a Tamil had asked her if she spoke Tamil. It reminded me of an incident in my own life of how separate communities living together can be so ignorant of each other. In Nigeria in 1979 or so, I was invited to a function at the home of a former Hindu Mayor of Jaffna. All were seated on the floor for their lunch just like at Tamil Christian functions. Yet, just for me, a table was laid out with cutlery.
What moved me to write this piece was TNA Parliamentarian M.A. Sumanthiran’s speech which responded to that by Professor S.H. Hasbullah of Peradeniya University who asked for an official response from the Tamil National Alliance to the enormity visited on the Muslim people. Mr. Sumanthiran made some points I have rarely heard expressed by elected representatives of the Tamil people. What he said needs to be placed on public record and widely heard. He said, among other things, that
- The Muslims are a separate people with their own traditions and way of life
- Tamil attempts and assertions to declare Muslims who are Tamil speaking as Tamils like the Tamil-speaking Hindus and Christians who comfortably call themselves Tamil, are wrong. It is for Muslims to say who they are and choose what to call themselves.
- He is an MP from the Federal Party which in its constitutions loudly proclaims the right of Muslims to self-determination
- When the Muslims of the North were asked to vacate within 48 hours leaving behind their homes and all their hard earned savings and property, it was indeed ethnic cleansing.
- It is self-serving rhetoric to shout for the army to vacate the lands they occupy and make way for displaced Tamils to return, when we ourselves will not lift a finger to help Muslim refugees return to their homes in Jaffna.
- We Tamils cry about genocide over what happened in 2009, but so long as we Tamils deny that what was done to Muslims was ethnic cleansing by us, no one will listen to us.
- Justice and the right to assurance of non-recurrence for Tamils must go hand in hand with the same for Muslims.
That far greater attention than given now, is needed to settle the problems of the refugees once and for all was clear from things said and unsaid at the meeting. After speaker M.A.C. Moubin described how before their exodus, Muslims were taunted at school by derisory phrases like Choni and Kaakaa, another Tamil speaker instead of showing any sympathy denied that and asserted how well Tamils had treated Mulims and what happened was an aberration. As one who schooled entirely in Jaffna at mission institutions, the fact that I never had a Muslim classmate till I went to university, shows how well Muslims were treated and what little access they had to good schools, and that Tamils have much to gain by being exposed to Sri Lankan institutions. Not only did my world expand through new Muslim friends after I moved South, but I also witnessed in the South far worse descriptions of Muslims by my new Tamil friends such as Mukkaal (three quarters) which were outside the genteel speech of mission schools. Denying how badly Muslims were treated is to pour oil on fire, and takes us back to our more primitive origins.
The Sri Lankanness of these problems was forcefully made by Mr. C. Maliyadde (Director General of the Office for National Unity and Reconciliation at the Presidential Secretariat) who had come all the way from Colombo at the insistence, he said, of Chandrika Bandaranaike Kumaratunge. He was accompanied by his colleague Ambassador D. Casie Chetty. Mr. Maliyadde said that if we substituted Hambantota for Jaffna and Sinhalese for Muslim, the same problems can be seen elsewhere and that we should treat this as a Sri Lankan problem and seek a common solution. The point is very valid in that we do need each other to expand our horizons and vision. Yet it needs to be balanced with the fact that Tamils and Muslims have a history of atrocities against them and preservation of identity is not only a cultural right but also affords safety. Hitting the balance will take political commitment, astuteness and daring as done by Mr. Sumanthiran
The evening showed on the positive side that much needs to be done as seen from the fact that only one TNA MP was present and no Chief Minister or provincial minister. The presence of former Chief Minister A. Varadaraja Perumal was a pleasant exception. Many who should have come and thrown their weight behind the problems faced by Muslims if they really cared, instead sent excuses to be read out. Worse, in the city of Jaffna where there are hardly any Muslims after the evil visited on them on 30 Oct., 1990, there were more Muslims than Tamils present at the function. The Jaffna Muslims are therefore indeed still alone and Tamils need urgently to do something about it.
The evening ended with a short, moving skit by Red Face Performing Group highlighting how returnees are sent from pillar to post as they seek to register themselves and claim what is only theirs.

Param / November 1, 2015
Restoration Of Muslim-Tamil Relations In The North,
Dont worry, S. J. Emmanuel is on his way to help you all. Don’t insult or ignore him, give him the right share.
He is a man of all seassions!!
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Mariampillai / November 1, 2015
Ahilan and Hoole, let’s have a forum for Sinhalese Muslim and Tamil relations instead. Why exclude the Sinhalese? The Sinhalese are as much native to the North where they have continuously lived in south Vavuniya since the 1300s.
I liked Sumanthiran’speech.Muslims are not Tamil as they define themselves by religion, not by language.
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ravivararo / November 3, 2015
Ya. you should praise the Tamil Traitor Sumanthiran (Srilnakan Ettappan)
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justice / November 1, 2015
All these sentiments are well and good, but what of the attitude of the peacetime army of occupation to both Tamils and Muslims?
Both are perceived as ‘anti-Sinhala Buddhist’ interlopers who do not belong in Sri Lanka and are supported/pampered by the state and consider the citizens as subservient humans.
Until and unless the military quit predominantly Tamil areas ethnic relations cannot be well established.
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Marwan / November 1, 2015
I wonder what cholan has to say on Minister Sumanthiran’s speech, where he correctly identifies Muslims with their religion, rather than a particular language, which I agree to be correct assessment. Cholan also insists that ancestors of Muslims were once previously Tamil speaking Hindus who converted is also highly questionable. Can someone put this in perspective.
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Uthungan / November 2, 2015
I would say that what Sumanthiran said about Mulslims,’that it is for Muslims to decide if they are Tamils or not ‘ is correct.
Just because Muslims speak Tamils., Tamils cannot say that Muslims are Tamils.
Would a Tamil say a Sinhalese who speaks Tamil is a Tamil?
Muslims invariably speak the language of different of the countries they inhabit and are domicile do in. Like for instance Muslims in Pakistan may speak Urudu,or Punjabi, or speak in Bengali in Bangaladesh, Malay in Malysia,Tamil or Malayalam if they are from Tamil Nadu or Kerala and Tamil and or Sinhalse in Lanka etc., etc.
Because Muslims prefer to denie themselves according to Islam which is their religion and like to regard themselves as Muslm, meaning a believer in God Allah,Peace be unto Him.
No one can or should dispute their believe, because, it is their prerogative.
But if they try to arrogate to themselves the rights of others who are NOT Muslims, that will not, and should not be tolerated.That is the difference between a Muslim and non Muslim.
To come back to the question about the expulsion of the Muslims from the North by the fascistic LTTE, it was a catastropy and deserves unreserved condemnation from all right thinking people and it is right that they all should be restored their properties and adequately compensated for the loss and hardships they endured.
The NPC should have done that as a matter of priority when it was elected and at least passed a resolution to that effect before bringing about a dubious resolution about Tamil genocide.
It is still not late, and the NPC should not have waited for a prompt.
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Uthungan / November 2, 2015
Correction
..Read …..prefer to ‘define’ not denie.
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Paul / November 2, 2015
It is not because that the Muslims In Sri Lanka or the so called Sri Lankan Moors, speak Tamil that the Tamils state that they are Tamil but because there is ample evidence and proof that they are ethnically Tamil and not descended from Arabs/Moors or any other people and then adopted Tamil as their mother tongue but they are Tamil by ethnicity and the Tamil language culture is their heritage, they even follow the almost 1000 year old Tamil Indian Sufi form of Islam and not any form of Arab or other Islamic sects. It is only now they have been brainwashed to follow these desert Arab fundamental Wahhabi/Salafist form of Islam and adopt and become some sort of cheap pale imitation of the Arabs and to discard/despise their Tamil heritage culture and the 1000 year old rich vibrant extremely rich Tamil Sufi Islam.
Unlike the Iranian origin Parsis in India adopting Guajarati as their mother tongue, these Tamil Muslims never adopted Tamil, as they were Tamil. No one calls or claims the Parsis of India as Guajarati, not even the Gujarati, as there is ample evidence that they are descended from Iranian immigrants who settled in Gujarat and then adopted Guajarati as their language. However the Muslims and Christians communities of Gujarat, Eg Like the Borah, Memmon, are classified as Gujarati, as they are of Gujarati descent.
The vast majority of these so called Sri Lankan Moors( again incorrect labelling by the Portuguese just like they originally called the Sinhalese Siamese and the Native Sri Lankan Tamil Malabar) are descended from largely low caste converted immigrant Dravidian Tamil Hindus from what is modern day Tamil Nadu and then Tamil Kerala in South India. Only a few hundred of these so called Sri Lankan Moor families have been able to prove some sort of Arab descent and even this was a far distant male ancestor and this so called Arab blood is negligible, as the rest of the ancestry was Tamil. To all intent and purposes they are Tamil. A little bit of Arab does not make you Arab or anything. We all have a little bit of everything in all our ancestry but do not try to claim that little bit as our origin/heritage and ignore the very large bit that really defines us. This is what the Muslims in Sri Lanka are trying to do. Ignore the 99% Tamil blood heritage and ancestry they have and pathetically cling and claim the 1% Arab ancestry as their origin. Even the Arabs have clearly rejected this claim and correctly classified them as descendants of South Indian/Asian Hindu converts.
There is no such thing as a Muslim ethnicity or identity. Just like there is no Buddhist Christian Hindu race ethnicity or identity anywhere in the world. These are all religions that are followed by members of various races ethnicities and language groups. Followers of Islam are called Muslims and they are spread throughout the world belong to different races and ethnicities that is why they speak different languages. They are still identified by their ethnicity and that is their main identity . Like Arab ( you also get millions of Christian and other non Muslim Arabs eg the Copts, Maronite the Druze) speaking Arabic. Turks speaking Turks. Kurds speaking Kurdish( Again you get Muslim and Yazidi Kurds) , Iranians or Persians speak Persian or Farsi, Malays speaking Malay. Punjabi Muslims of Pakistan speaking Punjabi, Sindhi Muslims speaking Sindhi Bengalis Muslims of Bangladesh speaking Bengali. Hindu/Sikh Punjabis in India also speak Punjabi. Hindu Bengalis speak Bengali. Hindu Sindhis speak Sindhi. Tamil Muslims in South India speak Tamil Kerala Muslims speak Malayalam. Urdu is mainly the mother tongue of the Muslims from the Hindi speaking areas in North India or the North Indian Muslims. It is now used as the lingua franca of most Indian Muslims and the official language of Pakistan, however it is still not the mother tongue the vast majority of the population in Pakistan. It is only the mother tongue of the Muslim Immigrants who fled from the Hindi speaking parts of North India. The are called the Mohajir. In Europe the Albanian Christians and Muslims speak Albanian and the Slavic Muslims of Bosnia called the Bosnian speak Bosnian are southern Slavic language that is a form of Serbo Croat.
So get this there is no such thing called a common Muslim ethnicity or race like there is no such thing called a common Christian Buddhist or Hindu race or ethnicity or race. Muslims belonging to various races/ ethnicities and cultures still follow their own cultures and speak their own languages and other than the slender thread of Islam. Have nothing much in common with each other. A Punjabi Muslim has far more things in common with a Hindu or Sikh Punjabi than with the Bengali Muslim from East Bengal now Bangladesh. This is the reason the only country that was formed on the basis of religion Pakistan broke up. As the Punjabis started to ill treat the Bengalis in the east and tried to impose their culture and language on them. Even now the Sindhi and the Baluch in Pakistan want to break up as they hate this Punjabi domination.
In the Middle East or West Asia the Arabs Turks and Iranians hate each other and they all hate the Kurds despite all being Muslim and following some form of Islam. In Afghanistan the Pashtuns hate the Dari speaking Tadjik and the Turkic races in the north of the country. In Central Asia despite most the population being Sunni Muslim and the vast majority of them belonging to various Turkic ethnic groups the Uzbeks do not like the Turkmen ETC. In Malaysia the Malay treats the Indian Muslims and the Indonesian Muslims as lower to them. The story goes on.
Only in Sri Lanka due to politics and in an attempt to weaken and divide the island’s Tamil population first by the British and then by the ruling Sinhalese with the connivance of the Island’s Muslim elite for their own selfish economic and power/political has Muslim become an ethnicity. This was made easy for them as more than 98% of the island’s Muslims were Tamil and belonged to the Indian Sufi sect. To create this artificial on existent identity they cunningly used the term the Portuguese used the describe the Muslims in the Island Moors. Prior to their travels the only Muslims the Portuguese even encountered were the Moors of Morocco who captured and ruled, large parts of the Iberian peninsular for almost 800 years. Therefore the Portuguese incorrectly started to identify every Muslim that they met during their voyages in Africa and Asia as Moor. The term that the Portuguese used to describe the Tamil Muslims in the island was a religious and not a racial or ethnic identity. Just like they first described the Sinhalese as Siamese as both were Buddhists. So are the Sinhalese Siamese? of the Island’s Tamils Malabar just because the Portuguese first incorrectly called them so?
The small microscopic communities of Malays Borah Memmon despite being Muslim did not come under this so called Muslim identity as they were not Tamil Sufis so they were still identified by their ethnicity despite being Muslim. So even in Sri Lanka the so called Sri Lankan Muslim/Moor is in fact a form of ethnic identity as this only denoted to these Muslims of Tamil descent largely following the Sufi faith and not the Malays Borah Pakistani or any other Muslim. No Tamil is denying these Tamil Muslims in the island their religion or their religious identity but want them to correctly acknowledge their real Dravidian origin and be correctly classified as Tamil Muslims. They are not Arabs or Moors. Moors are from Morocco. They definitely never came from there. Even the Arab ancestry in a few of them is so distant and so negligible that it is not worth talking about. The Tamil Muslim in Sri Lanka claiming an Arab ancestry is like the Sinhalese and Tamil Christians in the island claiming a European ancestry stating that is was the Europeans who introduced Christianity to the island and then showing the miniscule microscopic part European Burgher community in the island as proof of pure European ancestry for the entire Christian population in the island. The so called Sri Lankan Muslims are not Tamil speaking and never adopted the Tamil language but are Tamil by race/ethnicity and that is why they speak Tamil. They adopted Islam but not Tamil. Just like the Sinhalese and Tamil Christians adopted Christianity
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ravivararo / November 3, 2015
well said. keep it up.
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Sengodan. M / November 3, 2015
Paul,
Your comment should enlighten the Hooles and Sumanthirans. Yes, there cannot be an ethnic group described as ‘Muslims’ just as how there cannot be an ethnic group described simply as Christians or Hindus.
Sengodan. M
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Sinhala_Man / November 5, 2015
Whilst I agree, is it not true to say that both Sumanthiran and Hoole mean well?
I’m only an outsider in this interesting debate; but please don’t let this go on for ever. There is a country to be saved from anarchy, and from the destructive racists.
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James / November 2, 2015
Contrary to popular belief, Islam came to South Asia before Muslim invasion of Indian subcontinent. Arab traders used to visit the western coast of India (Coastal Malabar) as early as the 7th century AD. Malabar region in South India was a link between them and ports of South East Asia to trade. They intermarried with local people (Hindus) in Malabar and with this admixture the large Jonakar/Mappila (Muslim) community of Kerala evolved. Later, a certain number of Jonakar/Mappilas have also settled in the southern districts of Karnataka and western parts of Tamil Nadu.
According to tradition, the first Indian mosque (Cheraman Juma Masjid) was built in 621 CE by the last ruler of the Chera dynasty, who converted to Islam and facilitated the proliferation of Islam in Malabar. At that time, a good number of Jonakar/Mappilas were enlisted in the naval force of Zamorin (royal title used by the Hindu rulers of Malabar) and given the title of Marakkar (so named because they were using wooden boats). The Marakkar established a monopoly in the commercial activities in the Indian Ocean and one of their main trade was spices.
The South Western coast of Sri Lanka where the premium quality spices (such as cinnamon) were grown was the first landing/settling place of the Marakkar or Jonakar/Mappilas (Muslims) in Sri Lanka. Within a short period, all the trade in the Island was in the hands of the Moors. The wealth which this trade had brought to the country rendered them powerful and gave them ascendency over the Sinhalese rulers. Their aim at that time was to become the absolute rulers of Sri Lanka. When the Portuguese arrived, it was the Moors who first organised resistance against them and urged King Bhuvanaike Bahu, and his brothers Mayadunne and Vijayabhu to oppose the Portuguese. However, the Portuguese not only took over the trade but also persecuted the Moors and saved the Sinhalese from the slavery of the Moors. Due to the Portuguese persecution, the Moors were seeking help from King Senarat of Kandy who settled them in the North-Eastern Coasts of Sri Lanka. Some of them still bear Malabar names like Periya Marikkar, Sinna Lebbe and Pitchai Thamby and so on.
This is the brief history of the Moors/Muslims of Sri Lanka also known as Jonakar (in Tamil) or Marakkala (in Sinhala). They are actually a mixture of Malabar Hindus and Arabs.
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Paul / November 2, 2015
Muslims in Sri Lanka are descended from Dravidian Muslims who migrated from Tamil Nadu and Kerala. At the time they migrated there was no Malayalam language in Kerala. Kerala was Tamil. Arabs came and settled along the then western and eastern Tamil coasts. ( Kerala or Cheralam and Tamil Nadu). Preached and converted many Dravidian Tamils along both coasts to Islam . A few them settled or took local Tamil Dravidian women bred a few half castes. However the number of these half castes were very few in numbers. DNA analysis has refuted the claim that both the Muslim and Christian Mapillas of Kerala have a lot of western Asian ( Arab, Syrian or Jewish blood) as they claim. They only have a little bit and this little bit as well as selective breeding with light skinned Dravidian Tamil females by many rich Muslim and Christian families gave many of them a lighter skin. However they are basically Dravidian with a dash of Arab Syrian or Jewish.
The word Mappila is derived from the ancient Tamil word for bridegroom or son in law. Denoting the original visitor immigrant status of the Arabs, Syrians Jews to then Tamil Chera Nadu who introduced Christianity and Islam around 2000 years go and in the 7Th century respectively. All the ancient Christian and Muslim texts in Kerala are not in Malayalam( as this is a very young language) but in Tamil.
Ethnically only the Malayalam Muslims indigenous to Kerala are only called Mappilas and the Syrian Christians of Kerala were called Nasrani( meaning Christian from Jesus of Nazareth hence Nazrani)Mapplias.
These indigenous Mappilla Muslims largely live in the northern parts of Kerala towards the very north. During the reign of Tippu Sultan hundreds of thousands of upper caste Hindus like the Nairs Nambiars and the Brahmin Namboothiris were forced to convert to islam and they also assimilated into the Mappila identity. Many of these Hindu Kerala upper castes are extremely sharp featured and very light skinned. This also happened in parts of Tamil Nadu that came under Tippu Sultan’s rule.
The Tamil Muslims or Sri Lanka have very little Mappila blood in them. Many of them did migrate from then Tamil Kerala, but their ancestors first migrated to Kerala from Tamil Nadu lived there for a few centuries and then many migrated to Sri Lanka. They were derogatively called Thullukans by the native population of Kerala and were never identified with the indigenous Mappila Muslims.These Thullukans largely lived in the southern parts of Kerala largely away from the Mappila strongholds in northern Kerala.
With the fall of Tippu Sultan the Hindus in Kerala and parts of Tamil Nadu took their revenge on the Muslims and chased them away. However in Kerala they did not do anything to the native Mappila Muslims from the north of Kerala but targeted the alien Thulluka Muslims (who originated from Tamil Nadu) from the central and southern parts of Kerala. These Muslims fled to then Tamil North western coasts of Sri Lanka in wooded boats called Marrakallam in Tamil( which literally means the wooden vessel in Tamil) and joined the already established small Tamil Muslim trading communities residing along the North western coasts. This is the reason the Sinhalese still call the Muslims in Sri Lanka as Marrkalla minissu ( people from the wooden boats) whilst the Tamils still use the derogative word used for these ethnic Tamil Muslims originally from Tamil Nadu in Kerala .Thullukan.
They have never been called or termed as Mappilas ( the native now Malayalam speaking Muslims of Kerala)as they are not descended from them.
They are ethnic Tamils from Kerala or Tamil Nadu who converted to Islam.
The word Chonnakan or Yonnakan or Choni is a term originally used by the ancient Tamils to denote the ancient Greeks who were called Yavanar. So when you call someone a Chonni or Chonnakan you basically calling them an outsider too, as in ancient times the Tamils traded extensively with the Greeks.
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SOLOMAN / November 2, 2015
Cut and paste Paul,
All this information is already available in Wikipedia.
From where did the Muslims/Moors come to Sri Lanka, Arabia or Kerala or Tamil Nadu?
Please give some reliable information instead of simply cutting and pasting a whole lot of unnecessary rubbish.
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Paul / November 3, 2015
Not very happy with what I state as you still want to keep up the fake Arab origin from the Sri Lankan Muslims. I did not cut and paste but posted all this in my own words. We all get our information from books the internet ETC. It is also available for you to search and find the truth instead of blindly believing in lies and myths and then creating havoc.
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Sinhala_Man / November 5, 2015
There’s already too much information around. Cutting and pasting is O.K. (provided it is not academic plagiarism), so as to give timely access to ideas when many people have no time for scholarship.
Putting it another way, is it not our duty as intellectuals (label me as a pseudo-intellectual – quite O.K. by me) to educate those who have no time to be scholarly? Most importantly, many of these ideas have to be helped to percolate to those speaking only Sinhala, or only Tamil.
Discussion of DNA as an academic exercise is a worthwhile luxury; countering naked racism and religious bigotry is a pragmatic necessity in Sri Lanka today.
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James / November 3, 2015
The Muslim Mappilas of Malabar are called Jonakar or Chonakar or Sonakar. They were not Arabs but lower class Malabar/Tamil Hindus from the Malabar coasts of South India who were the earliest converts to Islam. Writers such as Humayun Kabir (Indian Heritage) has pointed out that the majority of the Muslims of South India are converts to Islam (from Hinduism) and not Arabs. However, some of the Moorish Arab Merchants also married them (Sonakar) and settled in Malabar, the reason why the Muslims are fair in complexion. This kind of inter-marriage with the Moorish Arab Merchants was in fact encouraged by the Zamorin kings of Calicut. One of the last kings of the Chera dynasty Shankara Varman or Chenkal Perumal also got converted to Islam.
It is wrongly believed in Sri Lanka that the Sri Lankan Muslims (Moors) descend from Moorish Arab merchants who married native (Sinhalese & Tamil) wives after having them converted to Islam. The fact is, bulk of the ‘Moors’ in Sri Lanka, as it has been amply demonstrated again and again, are not Moorish Arab Merchants but Tamil speaking Sonakar who came from Malabar. Except for a few visitors like Ibn Battuta, the Arabs did not come to Sri Lanka.
BERUWELA in the South-West coast of Sri Lanka is the counterpart of PERUVELI, a Muslim settlement in the Trincomalee district. There are other similar Muslim settlements in the North-Eastern sea-board, viz. KUCHAVELI, NILAVELI, UPPUVELI, etc. These “velis” occupied by the Muslims were all settlements along the sea coast, Every Muslim (Moor) village in Sri Lanka from South-West to North-East carries with it a Tamil/Malabar name (Peruveli aka Beruwela, Sammanturai, etc), a pointer to the fact that the original Moor occupants had hailed from Malabar and spoke from the beginning the Malabar language, whatever their present ‘nationality’, ‘race’ and ‘language’ might be.
The affairs of Sri Lanka (economy) during the time of Bhuvanaike Bahu (King of Kotte) was in a most critical condition. All the trade in the Island was in the hands of the Moors and they were more powerful than the natives. The arrival of the Portuguese saved the Sinhalese from the Moors becoming the rulers. The Portuguese treated them harshly, they suffered widespread persecution because (1) they refused to become converts to Christianity (2) they were their rivals in trade. Professor Courtnay in his ‘History of Ceylon’, (pp. 13-14) says that had not the Portuguese come to Sri Lanka the entire Island would have come under the control of the Moors.
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James / November 3, 2015
Adding to the above, one of the famous Malabar Merchants who traded in cinnamon with Sri Lanka and sold them to the Portuguese in Calicut/Kozhikode (before the Portuguese came to Ceylon) was the Markar family. Some members of the Markers settled in Sri Lanka (Bakeer Markar, Markan Marker and so on). Markar and Maraikkar are common names in Kerala even today.
There is a famous Sinhala saying “how Parangiya went to Kotte”. It is the members of the Markar family who took the ‘Parangiya to Kotte’ when the Portuguese wanted to meet the King of Kotte and we all know how the Parangiya went to Kotte.
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Paul / November 3, 2015
Thanks however when they migrated from Kerala Malayalam was still a dialect of Tamil. There was hardly any Mapila migration from Kerala to Sri Lanka. The vast Majority of the Muslims in the island did migrate from Kerala but they were the Thullukans ethnic Tamil Muslims who were settled in Kerala for a few centuries. Their originated from what is modern Tamil Nadu. The people of Kerala called them Thullukans in a derogative manner to distinguish them from the Mappilas who were indigenous to Kerala.
The three main Tamil Muslim castes in Tamil Nadu are the Marikars, the Rawthers and the Lebbais. The former Indian president Abdul Kalam was a Tamil Muslim from the Rameswaram area and he belonged to the Marikar community. Contrary to what you state, these names and castes are not found amongst the native Muslim Mappilas of Kerala. The Mappilas tend to come from the northern parts of Kerala. These areas are the Muslim strongholds of Kerala and vast majority of the population of northern Kerala is Muslim. Muslims make up around 25% of Kerala’s population. Christians another 30% and the rest are Hindus. The Muslims around the southern and central parts of Kerala still tend to be the immigrant Thulluka Tamil Muslims who originated from Tamil Nadu. Marikar is a common name amongst them. Many of them now speak Malayalam instead of Tamil.
The names Marrikar Rawther and Lebbai Pitchchai, Thambi was and is still very common amongst the Sri Lankan Muslims indicating their Dravidian Tamil origin. Nowadays people poke fun of the Muslims calling them Naina. It is actually Nainar. It is a pure Tamil word and it is even used in parts of Jaffna but very common in Tamil Nadu.
Nainar is a title or term used call someone important respected in the community or holding a high position. So when some one is called Nainar Marikar it means in Tamil the a very honourable or respected person from the Marikar community.
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SOLOMAN / November 4, 2015
Copy and paste Paul,
All what you have written above has no evidence what so ever. It is just your own imagination. Please do some homework before writing nonsense in a public forum. Do not think that the readers are fools. At least quote some reliable source, research or books written by scholars to prove what you say is true. Go and dump your rubbish somewhere else instead of a public forum where the readers are not fools.
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Paul / November 4, 2015
The Poor thing is going berserk, as he does not want the truth to be told, so has started to personally attack me thinking this will stop me from posting. Not the wise Solomon from the bible. Sorry Solomon I have not copied and pasted anything
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SOLOMAN / November 4, 2015
Looks like you do not know anything about academic guidelines, have you at least passed your grade 10. When asked to quote the source, you are saying I am personally attacking you. Show me where I attacked you in person? When you copy and paste, you should cite the source. Do not tell me all what you have written here is your own work, and if so where did you publish them or did you simply invent them from thin air? How can anybody know what you are saying is true or rubbish? Any Tom, Dick or Harry can write some nonsense like you and then say “I am telling the truth” and truth hurts. Please remember, readers are not Fools to simply believe all what you say as gospel truth unless you prove it or quote the source.
If you do not know, citations also allows readers to locate and further explore the sources you consulted, show the depth and scope of your research, and give credit to authors for their work.
Btw, I am not Solomon, you need to check your eyes also.
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Paul / November 4, 2015
Still fuming. The only piece of nonsense is you.
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SOLOMAN / November 4, 2015
Paul,
So, you accept that you are inventing stories from thin air. Unfortunately this forum is not for fairy tales. There may be a handful of fools, jokers, clowns, and retards who may like your rubbish but remember that most of the readers here are educated intellects, not just some idiots like you.
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / November 4, 2015
Soloman,
“Paul” uses reliable sources like Tamilnut and mad ramblings of his fellow We Thamizh nutjobs in various blogs and forums – please don’t question these :D
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Paul / November 5, 2015
Still agreeing with another anti Tamil moron and posting anti Tamil venom under a stolen Tamil Identity. Both you anti Tamils used to post in the now defunct Sri Lankan Topix forum.
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Native Vedda / November 5, 2015
SOLOMAN
Oh dear me, you were not around when OTC the noted copy paste con artist was active in this forum. Or you didn’t mind him being a copy paste con artist, as long as his typing were agreeable to you.
By the way OTC used to have a few sidekicks, Ramuuuuuuu the habitual liar, sach the stupid one, and the Wee Thamihz senior journalist Siva Sankaran Sarma Menon. Were you one of them typing under different name?
“Any Tom, Dick or Harry can write some nonsense like you and then say “I am telling the truth” and truth hurts.”
Writing nonsense started with Mahawamsa and will never end with Mahanama. Even the so called eminent scholars believe in the entire myth.
Don’t tell me you too are a wangaman from Lata Land.
Have a good time.
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SOLOMAN / November 5, 2015
Nadu Vedda,
Can you revisit OTC’s comments and show at least one place where he has copied and pasted without citing the source. You are a pathetic liar.
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Native Vedda / November 5, 2015
SOLOMAN/Wangaman from Lata Land.
“Can you revisit OTC’s comments and show at least one place where he has copied and pasted without citing the source.”
Please show me where he had given us reference from a reputable original source?
OTC went on and on about Pon Arunachalam’s demand for Eelam. I actually sent him the scanned copy of his speeches.
He didn’t have the courtesy to say sorry for accusing Pon Arunachalam without even reading his speeches.
If you are another sidekick, I wish you well.
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Anon / November 4, 2015
Paul
A minor correction to your otherwise rigorous account. Christians in Kerala are 18% while Muslims are 25%. The remainder are Hindus. The Muslim population in Kerala has steadily increased since 1951 due to higher birth rates.
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Paul / November 4, 2015
Thanks. The same thing is happening in Eastern Sri Lanka. The small Muslim population has increased due to very high birth rates and the large scale ethnic cleansing of the indigenous eastern Tamils
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James / November 4, 2015
Sorry Paul, I could not read what you have written, hope to read later when time permits. Hope your comments will add to what I have written.
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / November 4, 2015
Cool story, bro :D Will it be included in the next edition of the “Complete collection of We Thamizh Fairy Tales”? :D
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The Messenger / November 5, 2015
Folks,
We do not need to do all these research to prove that the Sri Lankan Moors (Muslims) were actually Tamils who got converted to Islam. Simply look at their home language (mother tongue).
Their claim that the Arab merchants came and settled in Sri Lanka and took Sinhalese women as their wives are all made up stories. When asked, how come their mother tongue should have been either Arabic or Sinhala but how did it turn out to be Tamil, their argument is very weak. Some say, the trading language at that time was Tamil while others say, the Quran was written in Tamil so they had to learn Tamil.
First of all, why should one mix trading/business language with home language/mother tongue? If you do business in Tamil, do you (as an Arab) have to speak to your Sinhalese wife and children also in the business language Tamil? Why not in Arabic or Sinhala? Secondly, the very first Quran itself was written in their own language Arabic so why do they want a translated Tamil Quran when the Arabic Quran (their own language) was already available in plenty? The speak Tamil simply because that was their mother tongue and the mother tongue cannot be changed.
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James / November 4, 2015
Continuing from above, as I said earlier, the inter-marriage between the Jonakar/Chonakar/Sonakar (Hindu converts to Islam) with the Moorish Arab Merchants was encouraged by the Zamorin kings of Calicut/Kozhikode (Northern Kerala commonly known as Malabar), the reason why the Muslims (Moors) are fair in complexion when compared to others in the region. A large number of these Malabar Moors (Sonakar mixed with Moorish Arabs) were enlisted in the naval force of Zamorin by the kings of Calicut/Kozhikode and given the title Marakkar. These Marakkar (Moors) became the traders in the Indian Ocean operating from the ports of Calicut/Kozhikode and Cochin. They are the people who brought the banana known today among the Sinhalese as Koolikutu (from Kozhikode), in Jaffna they call it Kappal palam (because they brought it in the ship/Kappal from the Kozhikode port). Some of these Marakkar settled in the South-West coast of Sri Lanka (especially Beruwela) and the Sinhalese called them Marakkala people (the very first Moor settlement in Sri Lanka) whereas the Tamils call them Sonakar. Vattil Appam is a Malabar dish introduced to Sri Lanka by these Marakkar Muslims (Moors). Since then it has got modified in Sri Lanka as Watalappam and certain amount of its taste has changed. The renowned Sri Lankan social anthropologist, Prof. Gananath Obeysekere seems to be the only one who has done some research on this subject.
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Native Vedda / November 4, 2015
James
“The renowned Sri Lankan social anthropologist, Prof. Gananath Obeysekere seems to be the only one who has done some research on this subject “
Could we have details of his research on this particular subject.
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James / November 5, 2015
NV,
Not only the Sri Lankan Muslims (Moors), even the Sinhalese and the SL Tamils have a very strong connection with the Malabars (Kerala). The renowned Sri Lankan social anthropologist, Prof. Gananath Obeysekere has done some research on the Sri Lanka-Kerala link but however, unfortunately there is a huge gap in this field, somebody (Historians & anthropologists) should start doing more research to find more about the Sri Lanka- Kerela connection.
The Cult Of The Goddess Pattini by Prof. Gananath Obeysekere gives some information in this regard. The Sinhala tele drama Akaala Sandya (all the episodes are available on utube) also tells us how the Malaylees and Sinhalese were inter-marrying.
The Kattadiyas in the South (specifically Matara) are all Malayalees and what they chant is nothing but Malayaala Manthiram.
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Native Vedda / November 5, 2015
James
Thanks
Though I have access to Great scholar Prof Gananath Obeysekere’s Pattini Cult I haven’t got around to reading it.
“The Sinhala tele drama Akaala Sandya (all the episodes are available on utube) also tells us how the Malaylees and Sinhalese were inter-marrying. “
I will make an effort to watch it.
My Elders tell me that the Galle courts have old documents that have evidence of conversion of south Indian into Sinhalese. A few still have some links to Kerala.
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ken robert / November 6, 2015
James, Paul and native
Very interesting topic. we should revisit this topic for further analysis
regards
ken
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Sinhala_Man / November 5, 2015
Dear Uthungan,
Most of us are concerned about “the freedom of the individual”; this, extended, becomes the right of a group of people to “self-determine” their identity, and their future. That is my clear stand, and I will not object to any minority persons who disagree with my own passionate belief that all of us in this island should be one people.
While I affirm your right to self-determination, and will personally never try to dictate what each minority person thinks, I would advocate that at a public level we adopt policies like tri-lingualism being fostered at school level, and an effort being made to objectively present, in schools, a less dogmatic and more concilliatory presentation of History, so that extremism of all sorts dies out in the period of about three decades.
I hope that nobody thinks that what I have said in those two opening paragraphs is contradictory or represents “clever” chicanery. I feel that the first step towards healing the wounds of war is to recognise the dilemmas that we face, and to humbly accept that we will not live long enough to taste the fruit from the seeds we now plant.
All that sounds very abstract. Thanks to Jeevan Hoole and Sumanthiran for addressing the very definite issue of displaced Muslims, while running the risk of receiving flack from their own Tamil community.
However, I “wish” (please note that I don’t ask that the State heavy-handedly force this on anybody), I wish the Muslims will do less to separate themselves from other social groups. I wish there were fewer ghettos. I wish there were schools in which all members of each village community were educated together. For now, we have the problems posed by having three languages. The link language is supposed to be English, but unfortunately it isn’t, because the role of English has become the “prestige dialect”, the social marker. The poor who want to master English attend huge “group classes” that teach “Spoken English with Grammar” not realising that such classes will make them even less fluent in the language since they get more fearful of making mistakes.
Technology is transforming the learning environment faster than most of us realise. Even the poor are now saving up to buy Android phones, but are unaware that, during the last year or so, English-English Dictionaries which “talk” and provide usage guidance have become downloadable for “off-line” use. So, the recurrent cost becomes minimal. I won’t discourage the use of “Bi-lingual Dictionaries” (Malalasekera’s being the most hallowed) for middle-aged READERS, but their use will not point the way towards fluency.
I wish Muslims will less insist on dressing differently, and will find their way back towards “Tamil Schools”, which, in turn, should become less Hindu, more secular. I now find that a few Tamil-speaking students in the South are entering “Sinhalese” State Schools to sit local exams in the “English Medium”. These quiet moves ought to be encouraged. How different now, from what prevailed less than a decade ago:
http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/546
I wonder whether someone could enlighten me as to what has by now been achieved by this, then, little girl? She should be “our” Malala:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai
The use of the English Language (in preference to French, or Spanish or Chinese or Russian) allows some Sinhalese and Tamils to exchange ideas, but our political future is determined by non-English using Sinhalese. And those Sinhalese are partly right to resent the fact that English-speakers continue to wield “the Kaduwa”, the possession of which has been largely determined by “accidents” that took place two centuries ago.
Rajan Hoole and I were classmates in Anglican schools; that fact has thankfully ensured that we understand each other. Three weeks ago, I set eyes, for the first time, on a Rev. Desmond Gunasekera, who seems to have been entrusted with an effort to “evangelise” the Anglican Church. He asked the meeting “how many Anglicans in Sri Lanaka?” I tentatively suggested 35,000. I was told they’d be delighted if that were the case, because his estimate was that it had shrunk to 25,000. But those few are mostly very well off people, and they just cannot manage all those very prestigious schools which they still control, and which they claim to “own”. A school doesn’t “belong” to anybody. Those having the best claim to it are the current pupils:
http://www.lawnet.lk/docs/case_law/slr/HTML/2000SLR1V78.htm
I hope that links opens the judgement to an excellently written landmark case; it was so easy to locate a few years back, but proved difficult just now. Yes, God’s “chosen people” seem to work in mysterious ways “their wonders to perform”.
When there is suspicion of manipulation of this sort, reconcilliation becomes very difficult. If religions practised true charity many of our problems would disappear. Thinking has to change; there has to be room for spontaneity rather than set responses. I hope that readers will discern how the last bits of this response have evolved creatively as it was being written.
Today is Thursday; on Saturday there is to be the “Thomian Walkathon”, and the Classic Car Club has asked its members to have a few cars at the head of the walk, but they have heeded my request to not require us to damage my fifty-two year old Hillman clutch plates by driving five miles at funeral pace. Yesterday, I went along to Mount Lavinia and purchased a car sticker. I rejected the one which said “Proud to be a Thomian”, chose instead a simpler one – with the crest only; a quiet assertion of identity, shorn of the boastfulness that creates resentment. I wish we could get back to having little village schools, instead of the monstrosities that we now see sprouting. It is not too late, and each of us could start with the little unassuming state schools closest to us.
And each of us has to convey, in some way, this message to those who operate only in Sinhala, and only in Tamil. That is something that all Sri Lankans could easily do!
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / November 2, 2015
There is a civilised way to determine it. In two recent DNA studies conducted, both gave the conclusion that in all the Muslims tested the core genetic material resembled South Indian, similar to all Sinhalese and Tamils tested.If any Muslim does not agree with this and says he is of a different ethnicity, he must subject himself to DNA testing to substantiate his claim. Untill and unless proven otherwise Muslims in Srilanka will be considered having either Tamil or Sinhala antiquity. Are the Muslims willing to establish their true identity.
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Lanka Liar / November 2, 2015
Muslim will agree for the test only if it can be standardaized. It applies to DNA too? and it should be a Halal test
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Plato. / November 1, 2015
Mariampillai.
Thats interesting.Sinhalas have been in south Vavuniya from 1300?
Pl.do elaborate.
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Mariampillai / November 2, 2015
South Vavuniya had isolated Sinhalese Purana villages independent of the colonization schemes in neighbouring Anuradhapura.
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Paul / November 2, 2015
A few isolated border villages in the very south of Vavuniya and in the east does not make the Sinhalese indigenous to the north or east. There were hundreds of Tamil villages along the North west coast and further inland from Puttalam to Colombo. also around Anuradhapura and north of it. In fact all this was part of the Tamil homeland. Many place names , places of worship including Colombo proves this. So this means Tamils are indigenous native and can claim the Central western and North Western provinces? What is good for the Sinhalese is good for the Tamils too.
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Mariampillai / November 2, 2015
Paul
I agree with you on old Tamil settlements along the north west coast and its interior.
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Maya / November 1, 2015
It is widely believed in Batticaloa that 25th anniversary is Commemorated by damaging the Hindu temples and destroying the idols, since last week. What does Sumanthiran say about this? Why TNA is silent ? Do they think Tamil – Muslim relations will be damaged by condemning these attacks?
What is the ” official response” of Muslim Congress?
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Paul / November 2, 2015
They all want to discuss about the displaced northern Muslims but are very mum and silent about the hundreds of thousands displaces Tamils in the North East and the large scaled ethnic cleansing of the Tamils in the east, by the illegal Sinhalese settlers the Muslim Homeguards and the Sri Lankan armed forces/government on a far greater proportion and numbers than the displaced northern Muslims. They are also very quiet about the recent illegal settlement of thousands of southern Muslims by a nasty Muslim politician from Mannar and the large scale current illegal settlement of Sinhalese from the south in the ethnically cleansed Tamil lands in the north and east. Very selective about their human rights and displaced people. All genuine displaced Tamil and Tamil Muslims should be settled and all these illegal out of area Sinhalese and Muslim settlements should be disbanded and these people Should be forced to return to where they came from. They had no right to be there. As for the so called displaced Sinhalese, there is no such thing. These people are all illegal settlers who were settled there on Tamil lands using brute government power. They never should have been there in the first place. They never purchased land and settled legally and they only created a lot of problems. A few scattered isolated border villages in the north and east do not make the Sinhalese indigenous to the north or east and given them rights to settle. The north and east has always been the land of the Tamils just like the south the land of the Sinhalese. The Portuguese Dutch British the Indians and even many Sri Lankan government pacts that were made with Tamil leader( though never) implemented all recognised this. Illegally settling hundreds of thousands of Sinhalese and out of area Muslims and ethnically cleansing hundreds of thousands of Tamils from these areas, to deliberately by all Sinhalese governments using the might of the Sinhalese armed forces, to change the demography and make the Tamils are voiceless minority in their own lands , does not alter this ancient historicl fact.
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soma / November 2, 2015
Muslims are Tamils whose religion is Islam.
Further to Sumathitharan speech TNA must OFFICIALLY declare that they do not represent the interests of those who practise Islam as religion. Whether they demand a separate political unit for North only or North East together.
This separation between the two is a cunning attempt to push them south by the Hindu/Christian Tamil political class. Prabakaran was only somewhat crude in the implementation.
It is already happening at an accelerating rate. Sinhalese are cautioned.
Soma
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Native Vedda / November 2, 2015
som ass
“It is already happening at an accelerating rate. Sinhalese are cautioned.”
You are not only suffering from delirium but also infecting the healthy ones.
For the benefit of others definition of delirium:
Delirium is a state of mental confusion that can happen if you become medically unwell. It is also known as an ‘acute confusional state’.
What is it like to have delirium?
You may:
Be less aware of what is going on around you.
Be unsure about where you are or what you are doing there.
Be unable to follow a conversation or to speak clearly.
Have vivid dreams, which are often frightening and may carry on when you wake up.
Hear noises or voices when there is nothing or no one to cause them.
See people or things which aren’t there.
Worry that other people are trying to harm you.
Be very agitated or restless, unable to sit still and wandering about.
Be very slow or sleepy.
Sleep during the day, but wake up at night
Have moods that change quickly. You can be frightened, anxious, depressed or irritable.
Be more confused at some times than at others – often in the evening or at night.
rcpsych.ac.uk
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soma / November 2, 2015
Native
You seem to have composed a song and humming it all the time:
You are bad, bad, bad, ….
You are mad, mad, mad, ….
You are like the police siding with the thief and calling the witness of a daylight robery you are mad and calling the owner of the property you are bad.
Soma
(When the records of the Birth Registry and Land Registry are eventually coverted into electronic format and easily searchable you will remember Soma. As the cliche goes “history will absolve me”)
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Simon / November 2, 2015
Excellent article Ratnajeevan, from what you point out and from the comments we do not need more evidence of Tamil bigotary.Why did the rest of the world did not want to interfere when the tamil bigot huncho was beeing finished off ? Because they recognized the extreme form of tamolil racism/ bigotary. There is no point crying anout the Sinhalese version of it.
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yshud / November 2, 2015
Muslims are very hospitable people and they make excellent food and family friends.I miss living in Sri Lanka because their fast days were our feast days for they would send us nice white porridge, basmati rice and lots of fancy food whenever they broke fast. Their weddings were beautiful very special. Sadly when I was at the Peradeniya hostel there was much reluctance on the part of Tamil girls to room with Muslim girls. When I did with one they would whisper to me, “They eat beef”-may be a prejudice from India or the temples. Many Tamils now eat beef, and that so so much beef, and also pork and other things, especially in the cities and abroad. So this and other now baseless prejudices should be pointed out and explained to our children so that this divisive thought would be given up as utter nonsense.
I believe it is Prof. Hasbullah who wrote about the Sufi’s. Hopefully it is in Tamil. Even Mr. Fowzie speaks beautiful Tamil. Sufi writings and Chittar writings are gems in Tamil. May be through joint literary efforts in Tamil also we could rebuild our appreciation and love of each other.
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Unreal / November 2, 2015
Hi Dushy, Remember me.
I know your Muslim room-mate. She was much prettier than you, wasn’t she?
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sinhalese buddhist / November 2, 2015
What about the return of the pre-80’s Sinhalese residents of Jaffna and the rest of the North (bakers etc. etc.)?
Will someone organize an event for them as well?
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The Messenger / November 2, 2015
In Sri Lanka, the People who speak Sinhala as mother tongue are divided into Sinhala-Buddhists and Sinhala-Christians. The people who speak Tamil as mother tongue are divided into Tamil-Hindus, Tamil-Christians and Muslims (Moors). People who speak English as their mother tongue are Burghers (Christians) and people who speak Malay as mother tongue are Malays (Muslims).
If you divide people by their mother tongue, then we have Sinhalese, Tamils, Burghers and Malays. If you divide people by religion, then we have Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and Christians.
We cannot divide some people by their mother tongue and others by their religion. This kind of practice is only found in Sri Lanka. If you go to other countries, people are divided by their language/mother tongue rather than religion. For example, in Kerala all (Hindus, Muslims, Christians) are known as Malayalees. In Tamil Nadu, all (Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists)are known as Tamils. If you go to Jordon, Lebanon or Egypt, all (Muslims and Christians) are known as Arabs because their mother tongue is Arabic.
Why are we Sri Lankans not sticking to one common format, either call ourselves by the language/mother tongue or call ourselves by the religion without mixing both.
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Native Vedda / November 2, 2015
The Messenger
“Why are we Sri Lankans not sticking to one common format,”
Most appropriate format to stick Sinhalese, Tamils, Burghers, Malays, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, and Buddhists together is under the banner
“We Stupid Little Islanders”.
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Paul / November 3, 2015
The Tamil Muslims in Sri Lanka are incorrectly called as Moors in Sri Lanka and this is where the problem is. The Portuguese colonials mistakenly labelled them as Moors, like they called every Muslim they met as Moor. They have desperately stuck to this incorrect classification as this suited their agenda. Because of this many now believe in this myth that was deliberately fabricated by their selfish power hungry southern elite, the British and then the ruling Sinhalese that they are descended from Arabs.
They are not Moors or Arabs. Moors are from Morocco and definitely the Tamil Muslims never originated from there or the Arabian Gulf. They originated from South India. Largely Hindu Dravidian low caste converts to Islam, some with a dash of Arab. This does not make them Moor or Arab.
They should be correctly classified as Tamil Muslims. Tamil by ethnicity Muslim by religion. This deliberate mischievous incorrect classification of their ethnicity by the government and their selfish elite is the root cause of this problem giving credence to this Arab origin myth.
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Sengodan. M / November 2, 2015
I believe Sathiyalingam, one of the provincial ministers was present and also spoke at the meeting. Hoole should check facts before putting down in writing.
Sengodan. M
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Attendee / November 2, 2015
More correctly, he was present but I think he did not speak and instead read out an excuse letter from C.V. Wigneswaran (if he is the guy who read out that letter)
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Sengodan. M / November 3, 2015
Attendee,
That makes little different. What matters is the claim by Hoole that the CM of NPC and other provincial councillors were totally absent is an absolute lie!
Sengodan. M
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Sinhala_Man / November 5, 2015
Hoole has been making a plea for tolerance and reconcilliation in language that suits his message. This is a useful exercise to be undertaken today, when the great need is for all of us to cool down and learn to live together.
The problem with both Sinhalese and Tamil extremists is that they want to win arguments. You are using extreme expressions like “absolute lie” when “rather inaccurate” would have been more appropriate. I think that what Hoole says is basically correct; you are nit-picking. And this is when we are talking about a public meeting that took place on the 31st of August 2015, less than ten weeks ago!
Yet, those who oppose the moderate stances of Hoole and Sumanthiran wish to pontificate upon miscegenation that took place about ten centuries ago. (I may be wrong – what practical difference if it was three millennia or five centuries instead?) Those who contradict Hoole wish to create dissension. I have clearly stated, myself, that I don’t like having Muslims dress so that their “semi-Sri Lankan identity” can be seen a mile away. On the other hand, I have also said that we cannot expect people to forget their cultural and religious identities overnight. On the contrary, some of our generation will insist on fighting it out in our lifetimes.
Let us start laying the foundations for a country in which children will grow up to be less dogmatic, more secular and tolerant.
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Native Vedda / November 2, 2015
Sengodan. M
“Hoole should check facts before putting down in writing.”
Or send Wee Thamihz Senior Investigative Journalist Siva Sankaran Sarma Menon to gather information about whoever was present and spoke at the meeting.
I wonder why Thamihzs aren’t making use of his talent and resourcefulness also his proficiency in English and hatred for fellow human beings.
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kali / November 2, 2015
Prof. S. Ratnajeevan H. Hoole
Restoration Of Muslim-Tamil Relations In The North:
*** Before I comment on a few things in your Article I cant help noticing that you felt Proud and Honoured by being made to look down on people.
“Yet, just for me, a table was laid out with cutlery”.
1) As for the Allegation of “Ethic Cleansing”. Let me rebut it by saying that Musims brought it upon themselves by siding with the enemy. They never identified with the Tamil Cause.
I do not feel that failing to resettle them is our responsibilty. We dont have the Power or the Means.
Untill recently Hakeem was Bed Fellow of MR and Part of the EVIL EMPIRE. What did he do resettle the displaced Muslims.
Why didnt he tell MR to
Stop COLINISATION and Speed up RESETTLEMENT.
Because he was busy filling his own Wallet.
2) What moved me to write this piece was TNA Parliamentarian M.A. Sumanthiran’s speech which responded to that by Professor S.H. Hasbullah of Peradeniya University who asked for an official response from the Tamil National Alliance to the enormity visited on the Muslim people. Mr. Sumanthiran made some points I have rarely heard expressed by elected representatives of the Tamil people. What he said needs to be placed on public record and widely heard. He said, among other things, that
The Muslims are a separate people with their own traditions and way of life
Tamil attempts and assertions to declare Muslims who are Tamil speaking as Tamils like the Tamil-speaking Hindus and Christians who comfortably call themselves Tamil, are wrong. It is for Muslims to say who they are and choose what to call themselves.
He is an MP from the Federal Party which in its constitutions loudly proclaims the right of Muslims to self-determination
When the Muslims of the North were asked to vacate within 48 hours leaving behind their homes and all their hard earned savings and property, it was indeed ethnic cleansing.
It is self-serving rhetoric to shout for the army to vacate the lands they occupy and make way for displaced Tamils to return, when we ourselves will not lift a finger to help Muslim refugees return to their homes in Jaffna.
*** I agree 100% with Sumanthiran. We are not the Guilty Party( except for asking them to leave) and that lies with GOSL and Hakeem
3) We Tamils cry about genocide over what happened in 2009, but so long as we Tamils deny that what was done to Muslims was ethnic cleansing by us, no one will listen to us.
Justice and the right to assurance of non-recurrence for Tamils must go hand in hand with the same for Muslims.
*** Yo need to Go and Learn what Genocide is. We didnt kill 140,000 innocent Muslims. In a war we only removed the threat. I hope Muslims have learnt the lesson of being Loyal and true to your own if they consider themselves Tamils.
4) The Jaffna Muslims are therefore indeed still alone and Tamils need urgently to do something about it.
*** In my view the Guest speaker should have been HAKEEM to expalin his failures under MR.
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Paul / November 3, 2015
If the Tamil Muslims in the island,do not wish to identify themselves with their Hindu or Christian ethnic kindred that is fine. However it is wrong for them to deliberately create myths and false history about their origin and call themselves as Moors, as they do not have any Moroccan ancestry nor any Arab. Calling themselves Muslim is fine but that is not an ethnic but a religious identity. Their correct ethnicity is Tamil and this is what they should be referred to as this is what they are not anything else and say Tamil Muslims and the Hindu and Christian Tamils referred to as Tamils. This is what the Muslims of Bosnia do. Correctly call them selves Bosnian or the Slavic Muslims. They do not falsely claim an Arab or Turkish ancestry to differentiate themselves from the Slavic Roman Catholic Croats or the Slavic Orthodox Serbs( all of them have the same origin and speak variations of the same language Serbo/Croat). They can call them selves Thullukans as this what they were derogatively referred to by the people of Kerala. Ethnic Tamil Muslims from Tamil Nadu.
Lastly they also do not have the right to connive with the Sinhalese to destroy the Hindu and Christian Tamils the Tamil language culture and steal Tamil land. Especially in the east where they came as refugees and were given asylum by the Tamils.
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ravivararo / November 3, 2015
well said
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Maya / November 2, 2015
Tamil Readers
Please read ex MP Ariyanenthiran’s speech in response to Sumanthiran’s idiotic utterings, appearing in today’s
Tamilwin .com via lankasri.
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Pygmalion. / November 2, 2015
James.
I like to take off from where you left.
King Senerat-reigning from Kandy settled around 6000 Muslims in Batticaloa in the 16th century,as a result of their persecution by the Portugese.
As you quite rightly say,if not for the Portugese,the Sinhalese WOULD HAVE GONE UNDER MUSLIM YOKE!
The aforesaid Muslims,were then given certain villages and Tamil women[apparently low caste] in return for hit-jobs against other non-Mukuva caste groups by the MUKUVA CHIEFTAINS,WHO CONTROLLED THE REGION.
16th century Batticaloa would have also covered the present day coastal belt of Amparai District right down to Pottuvil.The district of Amparai was carved out only in 1962.
So,for all purposes and intents,the Tamil Mukkuva Chieftains played HOST to these Muslims fleeing from Portugese persecution.
After about 4 centuries of their arrival,the Muslim Home guards with the protection of Govt:forces[Premadasa era] plundered Tamil villages in the Amparai and Batticaloa districts,from Valaichenai to Pottuvil!
In the North,the Muslims suffered the indignity of being asked to leave.
In the East Tamils were simply annihilated by the Muslim homeguards.The SLMC had a strong Political presence.
Who will remember that 25th century? Certainly not Hoole or Sumanthiran!
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Paul / November 3, 2015
These people especially that Hoole has very selective powers of remembrance. It is ok or Muslims and Sinhalese to kill murder rape loot and ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Tamils and if these Tamils are not settled it is fine. However jump up and down if the Tamils retaliate to these atrocities.
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Pygmalion / November 2, 2015
In my anger at Sumanthiran and Hoole I have typed certain sentences that needs correction.
It goes like this….
After about 4 centuries of their arrival in 1990….
Who will remember that 25th Anniversary…
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Maya / November 3, 2015
Paul
Except his clients no Tamil heard of Abraham Sumanthiran before he was brought into politics by Sampanthan recently. Prior to his entry he never opened his mouth on any matters affecting the communities. His knowledge on Tamils’ history and their liberation struggle is very very limited. TNA needed a lawyer who has command in English language hence Sampanthan brought him and made him a member. The same way Thiruchelvam and his son Neelan were drawn in by Selvanayakam and Amirthalinkam respectively. What can we expect from these Colombo Tamils who never identify themselves with the rest of the Tamils living in other parts? The blame lies not on them but on the Tamil community who cast their votes again and again to FP/ TNA.
Sometime back Sumanthiran has told the Tamil political detainees that ” the government has agreed to release all of them by 7th of November. If not he and other TNA members will be forced to engage in fasting ” . ( appeared in CT) It appears from the latest developments that the govt is not going to release any of them but a few will be granted bail. ( Who will stand as sureties and where do they find bail money is another question need to be met by TNA MPs.) So I am eagerly waiting to see Sumanthiran & Co fasting.
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Native Vedda / November 3, 2015
Maya
“Except his clients no Tamil heard of Abraham Sumanthiran before he was brought into politics by Sampanthan recently. Prior to his entry he never opened his mouth on any matters affecting the communities. “
M.A. Sumanthiran appeared for the Intervenient Petitioners,
Respondents:
K. Thambiaiyah, Trincomalee
Vettivel Jayanathan, Ampara
Siritunga Jayasuriya
N. Thillayampalam, Ampara
Excerpt from Judgement on North East demerger:
K. Kanag-Iswaran, P.C, with M.A. Sumanthiran and L. Jeyakumar for
Intervenient Petitioners and
Batty Weerakoon with Percy Wickramasekera and Lal Wijenaike for Intervenient Petitioners
Argued On : 15th September 2006
Decided: 16th October 2006
Colombo, 17 October, (Asiantribune.com)
If the case was not a political one what is?
Please Factcheck before knocking on the keyboard
“Stupid is as stupid does”
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Ramany K / November 3, 2015
Excellent comments Maya!
There were thousands of Tamil youngsters who sacrificed their lives for the betterment of the Tamil people.But,not Sumanthirans & Co.They are the “Ghandians” who incited the Tamil youth to resort to violence.
The seeds of hatred against the Sinhalese sowed by the FP/TULF/TNA,have deep rooted in the minds of the Tamil people.The stupid actions of the governments in power,helped the seeds grow faster.
Every Tamil knows that TNA achieved nothing to the Tamils so far.Every Tamil knows that they come up with different slogans during the election times and bag the votes.In the election meetings, they thunder”Tamils must unite and teach a lesson to the Sinhalese,we must give pain to those who gave us pain”.Since the Sinhalase have been portrayed as the enemies of the Tamils,innocent people vote for TNA.Simple is that.
In the last presidential election,Tamil people voted for Maithri.Tamil people neither love nor trust Maithri,but they hate Mahinda for bringing the war to an end.That is why Tamils voted for Maithri.But,in the last general election,they didn’t vote for Angajan who contested with the blessing of Maithri.
The government has denied flatly that the Tamil detainees are not political prisoners.And also,the government is not going to release all the detainees on the 7th.What could happen is many detainees will be released on bail.Thats it.What are the TNA lawyers(liars) going to do?Are they going to stage Satyagrahas and engage in fasting in the Tamil areas?This is honeymoon time with the government.Agitations, fiery speeches and condemnations will begin only just before the election declared.
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The Rogue Ayer / November 4, 2015
Maya,
“What can we expect from these Colombo Tamils who never identify themselves with the rest of the Tamils living in other parts? The blame lies not on them but on the Tamil community who cast their votes again and again to FP/ TNA.”
Please look carefully and honestly at the skills our local (=North and East) politicians have and you will understand why outsiders like Sumanthiran and Vigneswaran have been brought in.
“the govt is not going to release any of them but a few will be granted bail.”
The Government cannot release anybody unless they grant an amnesty. This matter belongs to the police, courts, MOD and the Dept of AG if there is any rule of law left in the country which I doubt.
“Who will stand as sureties and where do they find bail money is another question need to be met by TNA MPs.”
I repeat that there is no bail for the ones detained under the PTA. Again assuming that rule of law exists.
“So I am eagerly waiting to see Sumanthiran & Co fasting.”
So am I.
My expectation is that some of the detainees will be released and most will be charged. Detaining persons over 18 months under the PTA is illegal. In theory the Minister of Defence should have renewed the orders to detain under the PTA and noticed the limit of 18 months.
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Sarandeebiyy / November 3, 2015
I would like those who claim Sonahar Muslims are Tamils to explain how come we mainly used a Tamil based on Arabic script for our religious texts, and using many Arabic words, and how my ancestors, for example, left for us a hand-written Quran and other texts in the Arabic.
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Paul / November 3, 2015
What weak and silly arguments to justify a fake Arab origin. Nowadays many of the younger generation of Tamils in the diaspora use the Latin script to read Tamil does that mean they are all descended from white Europeans. as they use the Latin script?
You can use any script to write a language. Originally Malay and Turkish used Arabic scripts and now they use a Latin based script. Similarly Vietnamese was written in a Chinese based script and now in the Latin script. Japanese is still written in three scripts one Hiragana Katakana and kanji.
The Muslims of North India heavily influenced their Hindustani with Persian, Arabic and Turkish and wrote this in a Persian based which again was derived from Arabic and called this language Urdu.( which means in Turkish the language from the barracks or army, Urdun in Turkish means the army. The English word Hordes is derived from the Turkish word Urdun. The Urdu language started as a slang Hindustani dialect heavily mixed with Arabic Persian and Turkish of the Mughal troops. However it later developed into a beautiful rich classical language and also became a court language) Does this mean the Muslims of North India or all descended from the Arabs Mughals Persians or Turks? A small percentage may be but not the rest.
Similarly the Tamil Muslims due to the influence of Islam, mixed their language with Arabic and wrote this in the Arabic script and called this Arvi. However unlike Urdu, Arvi never took off even amongst the Tamil Muslims and this was relegated to religious use. Arabic is still the language used for religious purposes by all Muslims throughout the world irrespective of race language or ethnicity. This does not mean all Muslims are Arabs and all Arabs are Muslims. Similarly Pali is still used by many Buddhists for religious purposed irrecpective of race language ethnicity. Sanskrit is still used by all Hindus for religious purposed including the Tamil Hindus( so this means all Tamil Hindus are pure Aryans? Latin was used by all Christians and then by the Catholics until the 1960s for religious purposes. SO does that mean all the world’s Catholics originated from Rome?
Of course being Muslim your Tamil dialect will be influenced by Arabic terms and words related to Islam just like many Tamil Brahmins and other Hindus use a highly Sanskritised form of Tamil. Nowadays due to the influence of English many Tamils mix a lot of English with their Tamil. SO this means all of them are Aryans or English?
Please use your brains before posting silly arguments to justify your fake Arab origin
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RAGAVAN / November 3, 2015
Rather than working only for Tamil-Muslim unity,we should focus on the unity of all communities .Otherwise, the left out community will look at it with suspicion.
The organizers should be ashamed for inviting one of the culprits-Perumal , who was responsible for poisoning relations between Muslims and Tamils. P and his gang committed atrocities against Muslims and Sinhalese during the short- lived North- East provincial council days.
Perumal and his company were the first to forcibly conscript children into their Tamil National Army. Now the conscriptors have become human rights champions.
Suma is making loud noises about human rights .But when it suits them, they never fail to praise Prapakan to the hilt to win votes.They now fall over each other to sing Bajans over the death of former Tiger leaders. Why did Suma agree to form the TNA at the request of the Tigers? TNA was NOT FORMED before the expulsion of the Muslims,but AFTER all these atrocities.
Suma and his party make passionate speeches about the Tiger leaders.But they never mentioned the name of Amirthalingam. When it comes to HR, they do not speak or act honestly. Will Suma say these things before the Tamil audience. Now he says that he has spoken and that is the end.That should not be the end,that should be the beginning. We can see the reaction from the other TNA leaders even for this false statement.
Some of the atrocities committed by Perumal are given below:
On the 25th of March 1988,twenty five Muslims men were abducted in Kalmunai, at the behest of Varatharajaperumal and subsequently ,they were all killed.
Forty two Muslims, attached to Sammanthurai,Nithavur,Sainthamaruthu police stations were separated from the Tamil police officers and killed in November 1988 during Perumal’s brutal regime.Acid was thrown on the faces of the Muslim policemen and the Tamil policemen were released.
Grenades were hurled on the Muslims on 2.2.1989 in Kalmunai who were demanding the release of the Muslims who had been kidnapped by Perumal’s group EPRLF. Two were killed and seven injured.
On 11.4.1989,five Muslims were killed by EPRLF
On 4.12.1989, three Muslims were killed in Kaththaankudi on the order of Perumal
Perumal should be ashamed of the atrocities he had committed against the Muslim community during his brutal regime.To date ,he has not apologised to his atrocities.What moral right did Perumal have to participate in the meeting to commemorate Muslims expulsion.
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Ramany K / November 3, 2015
Excellent comments Maya!
There were thousands of youngsters who sacrificed their lives for the betterment of the Tamil people.But,not Sumanthirans & Co.They are the “Ghandians” who incited the Tamil youth to resort to violence.
The seeds of hatred against the Sinhalese sowed by the FP/TULF/TNA,have deep rooted in the minds of the Tamil people.The stupid actions of the governments in power,helped the seeds grow faster.
Every Tamil knows that TNA achieved nothing to the Tamils so far.Every Tamil knows that they come up with different slogans during the election times and bag the votes.In the election meetings they thunder”Tamils must unite and teach a lesson to the Sinhalese”.Since the Sinhalase have been portrayed as the enemies of the Tamils.innocent people vote for TNA.Simple is that.
In the last presidential election,Tamil people voted for Maithri.Tamil people neither love nor trust Maithri,but they hate Mahinda for bringing the war to an end.That is why Tamils voted for Maithri.But,in the last general election,they didn’t vote for Angajan who contested with the blessing of Maithri.
The government has denied flatly that the Tamil detainees are not political prisoners.And also,the government is not going to release all the detainees on the 7th.What could happen is many detainees will be released on bail.Thats it.What are the TNA lawyers(liars) going to do?Are they going to stage Satyagrahas and engage in fasting in the Tamil areas?This is honeymoon time with the government.Agitations, fiery speeches and condemnations will begin only just before the election declared.
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Native Vedda / November 4, 2015
Ramany K
“Tamil people neither love nor trust Maithri,but they hate Mahinda for bringing the war to an end.”
Have you spoken to those who had lost their loved ones? Did they say they hated MR for bringing the war to end or killing their innocent kith and kin?
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Paul / November 4, 2015
The Muslims in Sri Lanka are Tamil. You again are very selective about human rights. Very quiet about what the Muslims and the Sinhalese did to hundreds of thousands of Tamil down south in the east and in the north too and go on harping about a Perumal. All human rights abuses and ethnic cleansing should be condemned not selective ones to suit your agenda. This is what most of these fake Arab Tamil Muslims and Sinhalese do. Remember it is the Tamils who suffered immensely largely under the government Sri Lankan armed forces the Muslims and at times even the LTTE and other paramilitaries. Other communities also suffered but it is nothing compared to what the Tamils suffered. Also remember all this happened due to state sponsored Sinhalese racism and genocide against the Tamils that was actively supported by the island’s Muslims. Now trying to ignore this and cry innocent does not wash.
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Mano / November 3, 2015
By the same yardstick of Sumanthiran, I am afraid he is not a Tamil but a christian.
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Plato. / November 3, 2015
Native.
The case relating to the demerger of North-East was filed by the JVP.
It came up for hearing before the Supreme Court presided by the then CJ Sarath.N.Silva.The late H.L.De.Silva P.C.led in support with the late S.L.Gunasekera,and Gomin Dayasiri as his juniors.
From what I gather the other side Counsel[not too sure who] were not even heard before Judgement was delivered[Typical of the high handed style of the Silva court].But,the Judgement laid out the procedure to be followed for the Merger.Purely technical.
An International agreement-The Indo-Lanka Accord was thrown out by the SC! WITHOUT HEARING ALL SIDES!
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Off The Wall / November 3, 2015
It is politically incorrect to talk about ethnic cleansing and other war crimes committed by Tamils against Muslim people when the world’s attention is supposed to be on Sinhala-Buddhist genocide against the Tamils. Geez….I can’t believe some guys just wanna ruin the party!
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Paul / November 4, 2015
You are correct this all done to divert attention and trivialise the state sponsored Sinhalese Buddhist genocide against the island’s entire Tamil population and the big part played by the island’s fake Arab immigrant Dravidian Tamil Muslim population from South India, by conniving and supporting these Sinhalese racists. So keep harping about a few thousands northern Muslims who were chased away by the LTTE and equating this or completely ignoring the fact that almost 300000 innocent thousand Tamil civilians were killed largely by the government armed forces the Sinhalese and these Muslims. 1.2 million chased away from the country and hundreds of thousands ethnically cleansed again by the same parties and still not allowed to return to their land. Many Tamils have condemned what happened to the northern Muslims but not a single Sinhalese or Muslim has not condemned what they did to the Tamils or the chasing away of hundreds of thousands of Tamils by these Muslim home guards with the help of the armed forces. Tamils are the indigenous population in the north and east. Sinhalese are the illegal settlers in these parts. 99% of them never legally bought any land or property but were settled their using government force. These fake Arab immigrant Tamil Muslims from South India only came here seeking refuge from the Tamils and have now repaid us by conniving with the Sinhalese to kick us out of our lands, destroy our language culture religion and then steal our lands. Only reminds me of the cuckoo that comes in then takes over the nest of other birds.
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Maya / November 4, 2015
Native
The said case was political but the lawyer retained to appear was not political. A lawyer need not have political involvement to appear in a political case. Anyone could appear , even a layman who has interest in the case, with Court’s permission.
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Native Vedda / November 4, 2015
Maya
Why would a thriving legal eagle appear for a lost cause against the a court which is biased against the people, manned by corrupt judges, and the case was brought to the courts by public racists JHU and JVP in colusion with the tyrant and Sinhala/Buddhist racist establishment?
When former Chief justice Shirani Bandaranayake was impeached Sumanthiran appeared for her.
What does it tell you about the man?
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Maya / November 4, 2015
The Rouge Ayer / Native Vedda
No doubt Sumanthiran and Wikneswaran are both eminent lawyers / judge. I respect them as you both do. Since Pon Ramanathan Tamils had many very eminent respectable foreign educated lawyers , queen counsels, judges, educationists orators professionals but when it comes to politics all failed . They were easily cheated from the first agreement in 1920s until now by the Sinhalese politicians. One best example is SJV & co did support the indo Ceylon agreement bill in 1966 or 1967 by which over five lakhs Ceylon Tamils were deported to India, trusting Dudly Senanayake will bring District Council bill., but it did not happen. So we should ask ourselves why our leaders’ skills legal knowledge education eminence , negotiating power, everything everything failed miserably. We all know politics is a dirty game and to survive and gain in this game , Tamil leaders must find new ways means skills tactics and strategy. Past experience teaches us that skills they have is not going to deliver anything. This is the reason S & W have become failures. Furthermore politics is new to them. They got out of their ivory tower very recently.
Late Amirthalingam ,a lawyer ,great orator ,satyagrahi, an opposition leader fighter thalapathy and above all he went to the extent of quoting a verse from Thiruvasakam ( what we surrendered is us; what we got in return is you; Oh Mr Prime Minister who is the cleverer? ) praising Dudly during the debate of indo Ceylon agreement bill. In the end even after surrendering him and Tamil community to Dudly what did Tamils gain ? Nothing except Amirthalingam & co fled to India.!
I am not an expert to suggest new ways and means. Let all of us join together and find a new path.
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The Rogue Ayer / November 5, 2015
Maya,
“No doubt Sumanthiran and Wikneswaran are both eminent lawyers / judge.”
W was a judge and S a lawyer. Now they are just politicians.
In my opinion W has clearly failed. I am still hoping that S might achieve something.
I voted for them. There is not really any alternative.
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Paul / November 5, 2015
This was ex TNA MP has correctly stated and a very good and accurate reply for this likes of Sumanthiran and Hoole.
Expulsion of Muslims Wasn’t Ethnic Cleansing
” The en-masse expulsion of Muslims from Sri Lanka’s Northern Province by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) in October-November 1990, was not “ethnic cleansing” but a measure to “protect” them, argues P Ariyanetthiran, a former Tamil National Alliance (TNA) MP from the Eastern District of Batticaloa. “It could not be described as ethnic cleansing because it was to be temporary. The Muslims were told that they would be allowed to come back after the successful conclusion of the war for a separate Tamil Eelam. The properties and personal effects seized from the Muslims were to be kept safely and given back on their return. But this did not happen because the struggle for Tamil Eelam failed and the seized properties fell into the hands of the government forces,” Ariyanetthiran told Express.
On the demand of TNA MP M A Sumanthiran that the Northern Provincial Council should apologise to the Muslims through a resolution, he said: “There is no need to apologise now because, in the course of the war, the LTTE had publicly apologised and said that the Muslims could come back.”
Explaining the background to the expulsion of 75,000 to 90,000 Muslims from the six districts of the Northern Province, Ariyanetthiran said that Muslims were asked to quit en masse “for their own protection” in view of the anti-Tamil activities of Muslims in the Eastern Province at the instigation of the Lankan government and military. Muslims were being used as spies. The Sinhalese-Muslim Home Guards killed Tamils. Army-sponsored units like “Green Tigers” terrorised Tamils.
Tamil United Liberation Front (TULF) leader V.Anandasangaree said that it is wrong to ask the entire Tamil community to apologise for the doings of the LTTE. According to him, Northern Tamils had no problem with the Muslims.
All so correct. Not only the Sinhalese and these fake Arab immigrant South Indian Tamil Muslim backstabbers want to ignore this but alos these likes of Sumanthiran and Hoole amongst the Tamils, seem to be constantly ignoring the gross injustice done to the Tamils by the Sinhalese and Muslims. Who made this man the spokesman for the TNA. First he should learn the real history of the indigenous Tamils in the island and the real origin of the Sri Lankan Muslims and the Sinhalese and not believe in myths
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / November 5, 2015
Cool story, bro – probably the coolest one yet :D
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Brown Sugar / November 5, 2015
Paul,
St. Paul was the apostle of love who said that Love is kind. Love is slow to anger. Love is patient. Love does not boast. If I have no love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
Paul, learn from your namesake and be loving to the Muslims, both the good and the bad. All communities have both types.
James,
you too need to be alive to the Christian duty to love when you carry the name of the first Bishop of Jerusalem.
God Bless you both.
Please stop spewing hate. You prove the point that the Muslims stand no chance with you guys.
In Christian love,
Brown Sugar
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Paul / November 5, 2015
Lord Jesus Christ and St Paul also urged us to fight against injustice evil and hypocrisy not to turn a blind eye. Please also preach this to your extremely racist Sinhalese brothers and sisters and to these backstabbing fake Arab Dravidian Tamil low caste converts from South India calling themselves incorrectly as Sri Lankan Moors and conniving with the Sinhalese to destroy the Tamil people their language culture and religion. They are just like the cuckoo bird, come and claim asylum and then take over the nest. This is what happened in the east. Came as asylum seekers fleeing from Kerala and parts of Tamil Nadu and then Portuguese/Sinhalese persecution and now repaying the eastern and northern Tamils who largely gave them asylum as fellow Tamils with treachery
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Brown Sugar / November 5, 2015
Paul, “Dravidian Tamil low caste converts”….. Is the pot calling the kettle black?
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Maya / November 5, 2015
Paul
Thanks for your hard work. Continue to educate Sumanthiran & Hoole brothers.
There are several good articles on Muslims – Tamil question in Tamilnation.org. Though this website is closed and no more active , you could still have access to the articles.
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / November 5, 2015
Thanks Maya – another one we can add to Paul’s “reliable sources” of We Thamizh history. Now we have:
1. Tamilnet
2. Mad ramblings of his fellow We Thamizh nutjobs on various forums and blogs
3. Tamilnation
LMAO :D
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Native Vedda / November 5, 2015
Siva Sankaran Sarma Menon
“LMAO :D”
Brilliant.
Thanks for confirming exactly where your mouth and brain are.
Keep LMAO.
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Anpu / November 5, 2015
tamilnation.org was closed in 2009 and a copy is available at
http://www.tamilnation.co/
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