23 September, 2018

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Wahhabism To ISIS

Although IS is certainly an Islamic movement, it is neither typical nor mired in the distant past, because its roots are in Wahhabism, a form of Islam practised in Saudi Arabia that developed only in the 18th century.

Wahhabism to ISIS: how Saudi Arabia exported the main source of global terrorism By Karen Armstrong –

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    All forms of extremism are the root cause of violence.

    Always choose the middle path – this is what every religion teaches. When you deviate from the religion, all hell break lose.

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      Goraka RE: Wahhabism to ISIS.

      Let us get the Definitions Straight.

      ISIS Says or Claims to be Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

      Claims: I= Islamic, is challenged, even though they claim to be Islamic, because they follow a particular interpretation of Islam. Many Dictatorships claim to be Democratic or Socialists.

      Who are the ISIS and Wahhabi and their Clones really?

      They are following the Iblis, Satan, Shaitan, Devil. They were and are misled by Iblis, Devil,Satan and their clones. Exposing the Iblis, Shaitan, Satan, Devil, Lucifer and Mara INFECTED and FOLLOWING Wahhabis, Salafis, Najadis, Horners, Boko Haram, Talibans and their clones should be done by mainstream Muslims.

      They want to get back to the days of Ignorance, Jahaliah, which Prophet Mohamed fought against. Wahhabism is Arab racism and Arab Casteism, wrapped in the Iblis, the Satan, the Devil. They are innovating and twisting Islam based on instructions from Ibis, Satan.

      To begin with, the ISIS, “I” is Not Islamic. It is actually Iblisic. Iblis is the Satan, Shaitan, Devil, Lucifer, Mara who is against God and Good. Iblis is the same Satan in Heaven who fooled Adam and Eve in Heaven, and now fooling people in Najd, the Wahhabis and their clones, the new Trojan Horse, or rather the Iblis Horse.

      Muslims should take one step further, and call a Spade, a Spade, call ISIS, Iblis, Satan and Devil.

      Here is why.

      1. The so-called ISIS,”Islamic” Sate of Iraq and Syria and ISIL are Not, “Islamic:, but “Iblisic”, is derived from Iblis, Devil, Satan, Shaitan, Licifer and Mara, the Ugly part of humanity, aided and abetted by the Iblis following Wahhabis and their clones.

      Only Wahhabis wanted to kill other Muslims by calling them Kafir, and this proves that they are agents of Iblis, who wanted to oppose Allah.

      2. ISIS is a direct translation of what they call themselves in Arabic, State Islamia Iraq and Syria, ot ISIS in English. Wahhabism, Salafism, have the same Theology, Iblis-ism, Horners, Najadis.

      3. ISIS is another Clone of the Wahhabis and Salafis, who follow the teachings of Abdul Wahab, and who learned from Ibn Taymiah from the 12th Century. They All are inspired by Iblis, Devil, Satan, Shaitan

      References: Wahhabism, Salafism, Iblids-ism ISIS and their Clones.

      1. Hadith of Najd

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      The Hadith of Najd is a famous hadith with several chains of narration about three geographical locations. While all Sunni Muslims accept the group of hadith as authentic, the exact location of the area referred to as “Najd” is disputed

      2. Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufxTUFapy1w

      So, the Sri Lankan ISIS. Idiot, Moron, Imbecile was tricked by the Iblis, Devil, Satan, Shaitan, by training in Pakistan by the Wahhabi funded Schools and Madrasas to be an Idiot, Moron and Imbecile for the Iblis.

      Didn’t the Quran warn over 25 times about Iblis and Shaitan, Satan?

      The Wahhabis, ISIS Iblis will not get 72 Virgins. They will not not get even 72 Raisins either.

      3. Wahhabism: The School of Ibn Taymiyyah

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRx9J90lUnc

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      Goraka ” Wahhabism to ISIS

      Additional Reference and Support Showing that Wahhabis Are Agents of Iblis, Satan, Shaitan and Devil.

      The Data supports the Earth going around the Sun and Earth rotating on it’s own axis.

      Additional Reference:

      4. Qur’an 35:6

      Indeed, Satan is an enemy to you; so take him as an enemy. He only invites his party to be among the companions of the Blaze.

      http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=82&Itemid=145

      Imam Ahmed al Sawi (Rahimuhullah) in his magnificent commentary over Tafsir al Jalalyn by Imam Jalal ud din Suyuti (rah) explains this verse : Truly, the Devil is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy: he only calls his party to become of the inhabitants of the blaze” (Qur’an 35:6) as:

      Translation: It is said this verse was revealed about the Kharijites [foretelling their appearance], who altered the interpretation of the Qur’an and Sunnah, on the strength of which they declared it lawful to kill and take the property of Muslims—as may now be seen in their modern counterparts; namely, a sect in the Hijaz called “Wahabiya, (فرقة بأرض الحجاز يقال لهم الوهابية)” who “think they are on something, truly they are the liars (Kadhibeen). Satan has gained mastery over them and made them forget Allah’s remembrance. Those are Satan’s party, truly Satan’s party, they are the losers” (Qur’an 58:18–19). We ask Allah Most Generous to extirpate them completely [Hashiya al-Sawi ‘ala al-Jalalayn, 3.255]

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        I salute Mr Amarasiri, your analysis is correct. Islam is a misunderstood religion. It is not practiced in the correct form in the Middle Eastern countries, including Saudi Arabia, the birth place of Islam. Islam now stand hijacked by the groups you have mentioned above. Non Muslims should take the correct picture of what is happening in the middle east today. The so – called ‘funded’ groups are trying to tarnish the image of Islam and Muslim, but they will fail woefully. Almighty Allah will protect His religion – ISLAM. May Almighty Allah destroy all those rulers and the lackeys of the rulers who are trying to destroy the good image of Islam.
        Mr Amarasiri, more researched articles of this nature will help the local Muslims and non-Muslims to understand the events which are taking place in the Middle East, especially the IS and other destructive groups who are killing human beings in the name of Allah and Islam. Thank You.

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    It is not all about religion. There is a bigger role played by US, Europeans, and the Russians in the region. Usually, religion is the famous whipping boy.

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    There are more people leaving religion than joining it. All religions began by word of mouth, be it from God or man’s own teachings. Also exacerbating the teachings is that until the invention of books, the word of mouth got corrupted with each generation. Religions are a great crutch to many people and it must have the capacity to reform as time marches on. The only exception sadly is Islam with its rigid 7th century tenets that cannot be questioned and written in medieval Arabic that is open to as many interpretations as there are sects and unfortunately all the interpreters are men, hence the tenets unfairly favouring the men in every aspect. E.g. The Wahhabis found an abscure rule that prohibits women from driving and much to international ridicule a cleric even said that driving harms the ovaries. I love John Lennon’s “Imagine” lyrics that suggested the world would live in peace if we have no religion among other things.

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      I love John Lennon’s “Imagine” too. But unfortunately, people who don’t believe in religion are not angels either. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc to name a few.

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        “people who don’t believe in religion are not angels” but their violent acts were not based on atheism. that is in contrary to religious groups like ISIS

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      Sylvia Haik

      I have considered you a joke in these columns for a long time. It is hilarious that the strongest support you can muster to support a world without religion are John Lennon’s “Imagine” lyrics.

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        Navin, I hope you find comfort with your imaginary friend, God, Jesus, Allah or whatever. Keep laughing whilst the innocents around you are being killed in the name of Christianity, Islam or whatever. I have just watched a BBC documentary “My Son the Jihadist” about a white Christian family whose son converted to Islam and went off to fight with the Somali Jihadists in Kenya and got killed. The upshot is this man’s Muslim wife telephoning this mother with the supposedly joyous news that her son has gone to Paradise. Keep laughing with your warped mind at the loss of an innocent who had nothing to do with Islam but was brainwashed into killing other innocents until he himself was killed.

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    Troubles can be created in most parts of the world that
    are helpless to defend themselves from the designers of
    troubles. Arabs in the Middle East have been made the
    easiest targets through the creation and continued
    support to Israel by third party. It is a never ending
    drama. Many leaders came and went from all parties, man
    went to moon, mobile phones made people talk to each
    other in split of a second with video on, flights
    carry more than 400 passengers on a single plane, heart
    surgeries are done opening the heart and doing wonders
    to prolong the lives, dogs guide the blinds, people
    raise at home leopards and lions, once feared even to
    think of going near , dolphins in the sea are trained
    to play with men , computers are correcting spelling
    mistakes and doing unimaginable amount of works for
    the whole world ,in short, a near , more than a human
    being and with all these achievements of man at its
    peak , man could not find a way to live in peace with
    his fellow beings. How uncivilized are we !

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    There was a debate in UK (BBC) some years ago – something like ” If the world would be a better place without religions ” I think they concentrated on divisiveness created by different religions & wars etc.

    Tony Blair was the main speaker for religion – yes we need religions, I cannot remember who who opposed Blair -(not well known to outside world), but after some 2-3 hours of debate they took a vote from audience, Blair Camp was totally ousted, even I myself was convinced in today’s context Religions do more harm than good.

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      Good argument John!

      Only problem is that when religion teaches you to be kind to your parents, neigbours, speak truth, give charity, be honest, etc., we have been fooled by religion.

      Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, etc. did not believe in religion either.

      Yikes!

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        People don’t need religion to learn morality. Only irrational people who bring up such a foolish argument

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    The rise of Taliban, ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Al-Shabab, Al-Qaeda, Houthis and God knows how many other so called ‘Muslim’ terrorists or extremist organizations were born out of fight for retaliation against, or is the fallout from political struggles to liberate their own Muslim countries from Western backed Christian, Jewish and Neo-cons invasion and occupation of their lands, and subjecting their people to such horrifying humiliation, degrading behaviour as in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prison ordeals and completely destroying and disturbing their family units, including values and cultures. What do you expect? The likes of Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George Bush and Tony Blair along with others such as Benjamin Netayanhu who planned and invaded Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now even threaten the likes of Iran with total annihilation (except for their nuclear deal). Who created or was behind the creation of all these ‘Muslim’ adversaries? This is not one-sided as many would want to believe, but is a combination of factors based on sinister motives to undermine and destroy the peace in those Muslim countries simply to serve their own vested interests to control prices and production in the global oil industry, destroy the image of Islam as a religion since they treat its growth as a threat to their own Faiths, and also having intent to keep them nations all fighting against each other as in Sunni’s and Shi’ites and watch them disintegrate and fight each other as in Saudi and Yemen tussle now going on. Those strong under currents are much more than what meets the eye. Islam as a faith based religion has nothing to do with it. That is only a ruse to fashion public opinion.

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      And dont foget that the 9/11 NYC Twin Tower Action/Drama was an inside job, orchestrated by Bush, Cheney, et al, to “create” for PR purposes a cosmetic enemy for the United States – the enemy being the billion strong Muslim population. In the process Bush did not hesitate even to murder 3000 US citizens in one go on home soil. The drama has enabled the US to directly or indirectly kill a million or more Muslims worldwide. Read / watch the thousand Youtube video on “9/11 Inside Job”.

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      Dont blame Islam but the fact are these are backward Arabs living 600 years behind times. Sri Lanka’s Dravidian Tamil Speaking Muslims and Malay Muslims are not Arabs. So they should not blindly defend wholesale rape of women, sexual slavery of even children, beheading people when they want to discuss the impact of Western nations that led to the creation of groups like ISIS. To blame the US and Jews will automatically suggest you and the Arabs are stupid that thousands are so intellectually devoid of an ability to think that they join Jihadis. So your solution is to BLAME the west. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and all the other monarchies are solidly pro US. What happens is that the West meddled and it lead to Wahabi Sunni radical groups but to pretend it is a Jewish conspiracy suggests stupidity on the part of Arabs. Some claim the Jihadi savage Baghdadi is a Jew. So in that case are you saying thousands of Arabs are so stupid to follow a Jew? Always blaming the others. Sri Lankan Muslims are better off getting inspirationb from the now vibrant tolerant democracy in Indonesia: the world’s most populous Muslim nation. They have no Sharia laws.

      There has to be zero tolerance for radical wahabism and if it infects Sri lanka or India, they need to be dealt with Batalanda strategies. Sri Lankan Muslims are NOT Arabs. Why is Saudi Arabia in the US camp and arming and funding Wahabis to fight, rape and behead Shias?

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      “subjecting their people to such horrifying humiliation, degrading behaviour as in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prison” writes Marwan – a notorious Islamic fundamentalist and one who openly dreams the fate of Maldives and Indonesia in Sri Lanka. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo housed some of the most dangerous and insane Islamic terrorists – several directly involved with the inhuman and savage carnage of 9/11. Instead of being summarily executed, they were subject to civilised Western laws. Does Marwan prefer the justice meted out by ISIS, Boko Haram and other Islamic fundamentalist extremists. Kattankudy and other places in the Eastern Province are being slowly and surreptitiously converted to look like Islamic towns evicting hundreds of helpless Tamils from their homes and lands. Plans were made reportedly to import Camels and line the streets with Date palms. It is learnt the men behind were rewarded with substantial petro-dollars – as part of the Saudi Wahabi conspiracy to Islamise the world The Eastern Provincial Council today has no place for Tamils – the majority in the Province. This contradiction has to come to an end soon.

      Backlash

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    “Yesterday an ISIS member stopped the car of a Christian couple.
    ISIS member: Are you Muslim?
    Christian man: Yes, I’m Muslim.
    ISIS member: If you are a Muslim, then recite a verse of Quran.
    Christian man recited a verse from the Bible.
    ISIS member: Ok allah go.
    Later his wife tells him: “I cannot believe the risk you just took.
    Why did u tell him that we are Muslims?
    If he knew you were lying he would have killed both of us.”
    “Do not worry! If they knew the Quran they would not kill people” answered the Husband.
    ISIS is not Islam, TERRORISM HAS NO RELIGION.

    Thanks to Angelina Jolie

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    Raping in name of Wahabi islam. Do you see Jews raping Arab women? HELL NO.. You saw Pakistani troops raping Bengali women but not Jewish Israeli troops.

    Sitting on a shabby green sofa somewhere in the ISIS-controlled city of Mosul, Iraq, the militants laugh and joke as one of them films their excited chatter.

    “Today is the female sex slave market day, which has been ordained,” explains a skinny, black-clad Jihadi, gesturing at the camera.

    “With Allah’s permission, each will get a share,” promises another of the fighters.

    “Where is my Yazidi girl?” asks the first, a wide grin splitting his straggly-bearded face.

    The Yazidis are an ancient people, followers of a unique religion that blends elements of Islam, Judaism and Christianity with even more ancient practices, including sun worship.

    They believe in a single god who created the Earth and left it in the care of a peacock angel, Malak Ta’us.

    But this belief — decried as “devil worship” by ISIS — has been used by the Islamic extremists to justify murder, enslavement and rape.

    “They took our girls, our homes and our families,” says Yazidi spiritual leader Baba Sheikh. “They took all of them. We say our fruitful generation is our children, but they took them all, young and old.”

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      Muslims worldwide will have to pay for innocent Yazidi and Ahmadi lives and blood shed, women and children brutally killed – all in the name of Allah. Many Islamic leaders in the Middle East proudly claim the 2nd Crusade has already begun. If that is so chances are they will get their just desserts soon. Some learned experts predict aggressive and expansionist Islam will not last another century. The entire long conspiracy is being exposed in many countries.

      Pious and peaceful followers of Islam, however, may survive and enjoy the respect of the world.

      Rumad

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    Ask the question – who benefits from perpetual war?

    Here lies your answer to the middle east problem.

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    Wahabi salafist backward ideology emanates from Saudi Arabia. ISIS stands for ISLAMIC STATE or their caliphate to be based on their brand of ISLAMISM. So it IS their twisted perverted branch of ISLAM that they want to propagate via mass rape, mass murder, slavery etc because it stems from basic Arab racism. We are Dravidian Muslims. WE do not have to worship Saudis because they have petro dollars. Their contribution to modern civilization, sciences, arts is zero. They were Bedouins brought and bribed and bought by US UK and they created a state named Saudi Arabia after the House of Saud in 1926 ; why? OIL OIL OIL. The artificial borders are collapsing. But reality is it is stupid for dumb Lankans to ape Saudis. They are dumb. Jews are smart. Compare the number of Nobel prize winners by ethno-religious group and you get the point. We need Saudi petrol dollars but reality is they have not been contributing to evolution of civilization.

    As for ideology. YES STALIN AND MAO were COMMUNISTS. POL POT WAS A COMMUNIST BUTCHER; HITLER was Christian once and then a NAZI butcher. Japanese were SHINTO BUDDHIST BUTCHERS but they did not do it for Buddhism or Shintoism.

    Catholic Croats FORCED JEWS AND SERBIAN ORTHODOX christians to CONVERT during World War II To Catholicism BECAUSE of their RELIGION and for their NAZI GERMAN OVERLORDS. SO yes those butcher war criminals were CATHOLIC.

    RWANDA : almost all Christians but it was a savage Tribal war.

    Sri LAnka Tamil Tigers were both Catholic, Christian and Hindu. ALL SAVAGES. SAVAGES RESPONSIBLE FOR 1983 WERE SINHALA BOTH CHRISTIAN AND BUDDHIST. But it was TRIBAL and not religious.

    BOSNIA: Catholic Croats and Orthodox SERBS SLAUGHTERED INNOCENT BOSNIAN Muslims.

    So do NOT pretend ISLAMIC is not part of their name.

    A Saudi employer chopped off the right arm of an Indian domestic worker after she complained to police that the employer was mistreating her, the woman’s sister said Friday.

    Kasthuri Munirathinam, 58, was employed by a Saudi household in Riyadh three months ago, her sister S. Vijayakumari told CNN on the phone from the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu.

    Vijayakumari said the family was told about the attack on September 30.

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      Naufer admits they are Dravidian Muslims, which is in accord with history. Almost all of Lankan Muslims are of recent Indian origin. But their political leaders sail with the wind. In Sri Lanka they claim they came from Arabia. In Tamilnadu visits, during difficult times, they claim they and TN Muslims are from the same stock.

      Whenever they found comfortable positions in Coalition governments they sang different and contradicting tunes. Muslim political leaders came to power (from the 1980s to date) in the name of their people. But once in comfortable chairs mostly spent their time accumulating millions for them and their families- caring little to the burning problems of their people, which has now becoming political dynamite.
      Some even spent most of their time at the homes of their Sinhala concubines. The chief concern of the leaders was to amass fortunes, buy houses in London, Colombo 7 and have a glorious time.
      Resultingly, the Muslim people here today, located in all parts of the island, are virtually friendless and suspect. However, the worm has turned. Ordinary Muslims, notably in the Tamil EP areas, are declaring war on their “leaders” The message appears to be striking home, which is just as well for the community. It is expected, very soon the Muslim community may split into Sinhala-speaking in the South and Tamil-speaking in the NEP.

      Rumad

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        Rumad,

        You hit the nail on the head, as far as the Muslim politicians of Sri Lanka are concerned. They have done no service to the community. They have done emotional blackmailing of the community to secure their seats in the Parliament. Once there, it is a full 5 years contract to minting money.

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    If any of you care to READ the whole damned article it throws a lot of light on the dangers of this disgusting phenomenon stealing away from the inclusivist pluralistic form of Islam that is practiced by most in Sri Lanka before Saudi indoctrination. Here is a powerful excerpt from it. READ the whole article, specially if you are Caliphate advocate or a racist hate monger like Latheef or a moderate like Hilmy or Izeth: SEE BELOW

    The Saudi-based Muslim World League opened offices in every region inhabited by Muslims, and the Saudi ministry of religion printed and distributed Wahhabi translations of the Quran, Wahhabi doctrinal texts and the writings of modern thinkers whom the Saudis found congenial, such as Sayyids Abul-A’la Maududi and Qutb, to Muslim communities throughout the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, the United States and Europe. In all these places, they funded the building of Saudi-style mosques with Wahhabi preachers and established madrasas that provided free education for the poor, with, of course, a Wahhabi curriculum. At the same time, young men from the poorer Muslim countries, such as Egypt and Pakistan, who had felt compelled to find work in the Gulf to support their families, associated their relative affluence with Wahhabism and brought this faith back home with them, living in new neighbourhoods with Saudi mosques and shopping malls that segregated the sexes. The Saudis demanded religious conformity in return for their munificence, so Wahhabi rejection of all other forms of Islam as well as other faiths would reach as deeply into Bradford, England, and Buffalo, New York, as into Pakistan, Jordan or Syria: everywhere gravely undermining Islam’s traditional pluralism.

    A whole generation of Muslims, therefore, has grown up with a maverick form of Islam that has given them a negative view of other faiths and an intolerantly sectarian understanding of their own. While not extremist per se, this is an outlook in which radicalism can develop. In the past, the learned exegesis of the ulema, which Wahhabis rejected, had held extremist interpretations of scripture in check; but now unqualified freelancers such as Osama Bin Laden were free to develop highly unorthodox readings of the Quran. To prevent the spread of radicalism, the Saudis tried to deflect their young from the internal problems of the kingdom during the 1980s by encouraging a pan-Islamist sentiment of which the Wahhabi ulema did not approve.

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      Jehan: Wake up man. If you want a Caliphate run by backward Arabs go to the foresaken sands instead of propagating radicalism inside Sri Lanka. Caliphate is a pipe dream. Turks are laughing because Turkey is now a SECULAR NATION of moderate tolerant Muslims NOT ARABS.

      Five people have been murdered after a gunman opened fire at a Shiite meeting hall in the city of Saihat in Saudi Arabia, before being shot by the police. Islamic State has officially taken responsibility for the sectarian attack.
      “With the approval of God Almighty, the soldier of the caliphate Shuja al-Dawsari, may God accept him, set his Kalashnikov upon one of the apostate polytheists’ temples,” said an online statement on one of the Twitter accounts used by Islamic State.

      Several pro-ISIS users alleged the assault was carried out by a newly-instutited Bahraini branch of the terrorist organization.

      An eyewitness told Reuters that the attacker arrived in a taxi before being stopped at a checkpoint by Shiite volunteers. The man, who was said to be in his twenties by Saudi state television, then engaged in a shootout, before police took him out.

      “A person who opened fire on a hussainiya was killed, and the attacker was in his twenties,” reported government-run channel, Al Ekhbariya TV.

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    Naufer, Could you explain in detail what exactly you mean by WAHABI ISLAM? Do they pray a God other than Allah, or do they have any prophet later than Prophet Mohammed?

    You also talk about Shia and Sunni islam. I am aware of the Sunni Islam. As per my understanding, it is the way of the prophet. But what is Shia Islam? Is this something the Prophet propagated also ?

    Kindly explain in detail, as i am confused on the details. I really wish to expand and improve my knowledge of Islam.

    Thank you.

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    As i said before caliphet is a reality,And its back, who ever likes it or not.Muslims living in a secular environment, are having a frog in the well mentality. Have u compared what a caliphet can archieve to a secular society. If you have studied history and analysed the wars in the last 115 years.
    40 million russians killed by stalin, communism
    30 million chineese killed by mao ,
    50 million died in second world war
    25 million died in 1st world war
    12 million died in congo, killed by belgium
    4 million vietnam usa
    4 million afghans by russia
    from 1990-2015 4 million in iraq/somalia/afghanistan killings by usa
    not to forget british mass murder in india and africa say 3million

    can you tell me was ISIS or any caliphet involvement in the above.

    all wars were done by secular or communist or under the name of christianity in congo by king lepold 11 belgium.
    caliphet was destroyed because it faught for the right of humanity by the zionist and british- so thay can inherit the oil-wealth in the middle east. thats why oil is priced in usd or before british pound.
    Arab rulers are playing games knowing very well- what islam preaches when it comes to taking non-muslims as gurdian friends.its a matter of time ia- caliphet is back

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    There is a youtube video on “Islam is a Religion of Peace”. You all must watch this debate. It is about 1.45 hours.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh34Xsq7D_A

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