2 December, 2020

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Fundamentalism In Muslim Girls School: A Response

By Nishthar Idroos

Nishthar Idroos

Nishthar Idroos

Response to – Fundamentalism Creeps Into Muslim International Schools– Part I

Fundamentalist Islam creeping in a leading Muslim School in Colombo shrieked a recent caption in one of the Colombo based news portals. School in question Ilma International Girls School located in Colombo. A leading and established private Muslim Girls’ School in the country. Motto of Ilma International Girls’ School reads thus in the school’s website “Qul, Rabbi Zidni Ilma” which is an excerpt from the Noble Quran .i.e. “Say! O My Lord, Advance me in knowledge” (Chapter 20: Verse 114)

Fear sells and peddling fear vis a vis Muslims and Islam is a lucrative industry. Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Sam Harris, Bill Maher. Daniel Pipes some names in the international platform that come to my mind presently raking-in big. Some have called it the Islamophobia Industry. The tide of Islamophobia that is sweeping through Europe and the United States noticeably lacks spontaneity raising suspicion of shadow designers working overtime. Coterie of well-educated, well paid right-wing cadre of intellectual hucksters, bloggers, politicians, pundits, religious leaders and over-zealous scribes are having a rocking time. In some countries Muslims postulating a deviant persuasion vis a vis worship (Sufi order grave worshippers, saint worshippers) have joined the bandwagon too. They inject their own venom to enhance credibility. The strategy seems to be working.

It’s indeed a major challenge today to portray the real truth of Islam over widespread media speculation and disinformation. Complicating matters are the actions of a negligible few who draw inspiration from Islamic sources all for the wrong reasons. The ISIS crisis is good example regardless who created and funded the organization. In this media saturated century with rampant ignorance of the subject things are going haywire and getting out of control. It seems everyone is in to settle a score with Islam and Muslims.

Muslims the world over are going through a period of testing which is commonly known as fitnah in Arabic (trials and tribulations). Life rushes ahead beckoning us into the unknown but in a strange sort of way it has all been done before. This is not the first time in history that Muslims have suffered from the consequences of lies and misrepresentations. However, when lies and misunderstandings are piled high the truth seekers of this world have a way of finding the gold buried beneath the dirt. Islam is like that gold, it can lie quietly, and it loses none of its beauty by doing so. As a matter of fact when extracted from the dirt the impact is even sweeter on the soul.

Twisted and debased theology of extremists cannot remove or dent firm faith inscribed in hearts of billions of Muslims. Nor will neo-cons with their well-motivated agents win by hurling demonic propaganda. The world knows Islam, its universality proven by its effectiveness. Islam ruled a good portion of the world for a very long time. Spain was with the Muslims for almost 800 years. Its political, economic and social structures very much intact. Its civilization a solid bridge for other civilizations to flourish. Islam imposes no difficulties on its adherents. Everything Islam enjoins is meant to preserve faith, life, intellect and posterity.

How can a few thousands derail the strong convictions of billions? William Montgomery Watt a Scottish historian, an Emeritus Professor in Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of Edinburgh said “Islam is not a private matter for individuals touching only the periphery of their lives, but something which is both private and public, something that permeates the whole fabric of society in a way of which men are conscious”

The “Wahhabi” threat, “Salafi” threat, “Creeping Shariah” “ United States of Islamica,” “Eurabia,” “Londonistan,” “Terror babies” “Islamofascism” are commonly seen captions today. It’s just beginning in Sri Lanka. Strange appellatives manufactured with alacrity in the posh linguistic factories of the west all year round and reaching global destinations faster than light. For a fairly long time they’ve indefatigably labored behind scenes to convince their compatriots that Muslims are the enemy, exhuming ghosts of 9/11 and dangling portraits of Usama bin Laden before the eyes of horrified populations to control and capitulate Muslims.

Readers, I have to deal with some of these issues and outrageous allegations with facts and references from the Quran and authentic Sunnah, do bear with me. As rightly stated in the motto of Ilma International Girls School the concept of knowledge occupies an important position in Islam. In Islam knowledge is all-encompassing the opposite of which is ignorance which is reprehensible. “Fundamental” to this knowledge is the knowledge of the Creator of the seven heavens and earths and all within it – Allah. In this science obsessed world secular knowledge commands greater respect than religious knowledge. Accordingly emphasis on Science, Mathematics and personalities associated them namely Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking command a high following.

Though Islam encourages the pursuit of worldly knowledge it has certain built-in priorities. Knowledge of Allah, Muhammad (may Allah exalt his mention) and Islam takes precedence. “O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous – [He] who made for you the earth a bed [spread out] and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know [that there is nothing similar to Him] (Chapter 2: Verse 21,22) This is the first command in the Quran promulgated to all mankind. I wish to draw the reader’s attention to the very first verse of this particular chapter. Who is Allah addressing in this particular verse? Is He addressing Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs? The verse says O mankind? A serious point to ponder, every soul living today that is a part of this huge family called mankind must reflect on this verse. And who else can say “And I did not create the jinn and mankind except for My worship” (Chapter 51: Verse 56) Allah also emphatically states in the last testament revealed to all mankind just before the hour “So know (O Muhammad) none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and ask forgiveness for your sins” ( Verse 47: Chapter19).

The “fundamental” creed of Islam is “La Mabood bi Haqin illallah” – .i.e. there is none worthy of worship in truth except Allah. Acknowledging this testimony brings one to the fold of Islam rejecting it takes him out. It’s indeed gratifying to note that Muslims of Sri Lanka have a truly blessed Institution in Ilma international Girls School. An institution committed to clarifying the fundamental faith related issues. It also teaches all the various secular modules to thousands of students at any given time. My two elder daughters too studied in this school and are thriving. As a father I am more than pleased at both of their academic and Islamic achievements. I unreservedly encourage any parent to admit their child to this great institution.

The particular news on the news portal went on to elaborate a supposed “Salafist- Wahhabist” teachings had concerned parents remove children from the school. An inference that the school in question is teaching a kind of pure ultraconservative, fundamentalist Islamic ideology to its children. Moreover, it added that the teachings represent a marked deviation from traditional Sri Lankan and South East Asian Muslims.

What a load of unalloyed poppycock! Sounds like a far worse leather hunt than George Walker Bush’s well-articulated yet deception laced WMD’s in Iraq. This is nothing but a fatally misunderstood creed and methodology that has got hit from the very inception by way of outlandish appellatives and other methods from those bereft of sound Islamic knowledge. Joining the partnership have been the world’s right wing who are hell-bent on demonizing Islam and the Sufi Tareeqa’s. It’s an ongoing thing frequently picked up by the media to spice things up, you know what I mean – a recourse to sensationalism. I don’t blame the media but wish to impress upon the Muslims to get serious with their religion. They must go to the authentic sources and eschew all forms of ignorance.

The spillover is now reaching the public domain in Sri Lanka, albeit with rage and silly polemics emanating routinely. This is not just a local phenomenon. Ignorance has rendered a heightened contamination. Today we find Muslim professionals, namely, doctors, lawyers, diplomats, journalists, politicians, businessman all taking misinformed, unintelligent jabs at issues they know very little about. They speak with apparent revulsion about Wahhabism, when questioned about its historical importance and etymology, actual political underpinnings for the phenomenon or the pseudo religious interrelation they either throw a blank face or deliver a diatribe against the Saud family.

Prevalent prejudices, stereotypes, mindsets and antipathies has coalesced to the creation of a non-existent monster. A monster who had earned perpetual culpability. A monster that needs to be under constant surveillance as he or she could prove dangerous. All and sundry are incessantly cautioned against these individuals. The gun tooting, bomb making, women oppressing Wahhabi maniacs are here. They’re getting ready for a Clint Eastwood kind of operation.

A word of caution to non-muslims especially those in the political and editorial recliner, do not confuse orthodoxy with extremism. The difference is like chalk and cheese. The definition for “orthodoxy” in Islam is adhering to authentic sources and sticking to it tenaciously. The terms “Salafist-Wahhabist” due to it’s prolong assailment by both the west, orientalists and innovators running down for centuries have acquired a goni billa connotation. The strategy seemed to have worked, it’s quite ingenious in fact. The best way to keep Muslims and general folk far away from the truth of Islam is to expose them to an imaginative yet hideous behemoth beast with the name Wahhabi.

Does anyone recall the days when the world media associated Islam with the face of Usama bin Laden? This is after using the bloke to the tilt for all of the dirty work of Uncle Sam. Recently I watched a YouTube clip of a supposed terrorism expert. He was representing a major and reputed think-tank in the US. When he said that Usama bin Laden was a Wahhabi I flipped. If in fact Usama Bin Laden was a Wahhabi one third of America would have been Muslims by today including the Bush family. This is because Wahhabism is orthodoxy and exudes teachings that’s wholesome sustenance to the heart, soul and the intellect. Americans are an intelligent people presently ripped off intellectually by oligarchs and putrid demagogues. Sri Lankans have a great saying for this in Sinhala – “Gonata Andanawa

The term Wahhabism is western construct. The Brits were the first to use it against Indian Muslims. Its implied idiom takes root in the 18th century reform and revivalist movement of the Mujaddith scholar Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Ibn Suleiman in the backdrop of rampant Polytheism that had crept to the Arabian Peninsula in gross opposition to the fundamental tenets of Islam .i.e Tawheed – Absolute Monotheism. As you can see his name was Muhammad hence his actions should have been termed as Muhammadi then why was it called Wahhabi? They knew what would happen if the noble revivalist movement was termed Muhammadi. The nefarious political motives made clear here. Extending great support for this were the Sufi Muslims as seen today all over the world.

No scribe should plunge to the deep-end of this political maneuverings and seemingly internecine squabble sans full cognizance of the facts and issues at hand. The matter at hand is complex, complicated and all-consuming. It’s an exhaustive labyrinth. Clarifications will essentially demand extended sittings with people blessed with true knowledge not half-baked experts donning designer raiment’s and cheap Made in China “Donald Trump” necktie like our US expert cited above. This writer devoted the last twenty years to learn this religion. I beg of you not to unintelligently hurl a missile and get crucified. Muslims are gradually getting educated on this matter and are keeping abreast with true authentic knowledge Alhamdulillah.

Reading between the lines of the said article it was pretty evident to the discerning reader as to the motives and supposed collaborators of this Colombo Muslim school hullabaloo. I humbly request for sanity and enlightened minds to deliberate. This is a great Muslim institution and please don’t destroy it.

I have planned a part 2 for this article. I will Insha Allah deal with each of the allegations as enumerated below and extracted from the article. Accordingly I will deal with the following

Fundamentalist Islamic ideology
Deviating from traditional Sri Lankan and South East Asian Muslims.
Salafist-Wahhabist teachings
Extremist movements and the sociologists who confer confirmation.
Black face veil as a symbol of radicalism
Sri Lankan Muslims joining ISIS
Lankan Muslims wearing saree and salwar Kameez
Celebration of the Prophet’s (may Allah exalt his mention) birthday
Resisting perceived western domination
Muslims celebrating feasts (Kanduri)
Radical and moderate Muslims.
The interesting video and the person in it.

*Writer is a Canadian citizen of Sri Lankan descent. He is a freelance journalist with a keen interest in PRIME – Politics, Religion, Islam, Marketing and Economics/Entrepreneurship. He is a Graduate of the Chartered Institute of Marketing UK. Also holds a MBA from Vinayaka Missions Foundation University India.

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    Man these guys must be soooo happy that Gotta aka GR isnt in the government.anymore
    So happy to see his back :)

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    Nishthar.

    I dont mean to offend; But your line…….

    Muslims the world over are going through a period of testing which is commonly known as FITNAH in Arabic[Trials and Tribulations]….

    But the people world over are also undergoing FITNAH as a result of the adventures of the ISIS!

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      Pygmalion

      Much like Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIS) is made-in-the-USA, an instrument of terror designed to divide and conquer the oil-rich Middle East and to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region.

      The fact that the United States has a long and torrid history of backing terrorist groups will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore history.

      Courtesy Global Research

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    Every religion including Islam is consists of 50% of untruth/mere lies/myths.For an example , the world is created by god but no religious leader acclaimed that they have created Dinosaurs – Basically because they knew next to nothing about them ( including prophet Muhammad)so just like witchcraft , most of the concepts of religions are out dated for 21st century.The religion no more should carry with us humans like a big container of water kept top of the head but as a simple jewellery/wearing decorates our moral values …….I wonder why these people drive students towards the stone age with all these sharia low / fundamentalism and all that .This is a insane Sri Lanka should get free of all these fundamentalism – we should allow our students to judge things and decide but not to follow things and adhere –

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    Nisthar Idroos

    A beautifully written article indeed, very articulative, and your analysis of the challenges faced by Islam and Muslims are spot on.

    moreover as you have rightly said, this is not the first time Muslims are afflicted with trials and tribulations, when prophet Yakub went through a similar situation as mentioned in the Quran in Surah Yousufm his solution was patience and trust in Allah

    “Nay! But your own selves have made up a tale. So (for me) patience is most fitting. And it is Allah (Alone) whose Help can be sought against that (lie) which you assert.” (Yusuf 12:18)

    further as mentioned in Surah Anfal 8:13

    And they were planning and Allah (too) was planning. And Allah is (the) Best (of) the Planners.

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    Every religion( I mean teachings that say the world is created by god ) is consisted of 50 % of lies/hypocrisy .So is the Islam. Prophet Mohamed is non other than the person who described the surroundings as to his knowledge or rather his scope of wisdom. So , spreading the Islam fundamentalism in school is a crime . I agree with Sanjaya.All these historical man written ,stoned aged man written scripts teaching is schools should be eliminated .Our children should be taught to think free and move fast grab the new trends /technologies . But not to follow the old stale stuff and adhere them like tamed circus animals ..

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      …Our children should be taught to think free and move fast grab the new trends /technologies. But not to follow the old stale stuff and adhere them like tamed circus animals ….

      BT, I take my hat off to your beautiful comment

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    What a ship load of nonsense.All the religions are extreme and violent, agents of control particularly thought control. Islam is no different.

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    All you hard core Islamophobics and the others who have joined the bandwagon recently, please check out the below documentary which was broadcasted on the mainstream media in the US, CBC NEWS.

    Reality Check: U.S. Policies In Middle East Responsible for Refugee Crisis In Europe- on youtube.

    At least now you will be convinced about the real culprits who are responsible for the current crisis in the middle east. all these started after the Iraqi invasion in the 1990, the sunnis and the shias were living side by side for thousands of years without any major problems although they had their difference of opinions from the beginning.

    and the same was with the Christians and the Muslims as well, they were also living side by side for thousands of years without any problems and enmity other than at times of war.

    so why all these happening only now, the answer to this can found from below-

    The only people who is benefited out of this situation are the Israeli Zionists.

    The Zionist who created this in the first place are exploiting this to great advantage, the middle east is in tatters, destabilized, and by this the threat to the state of Israel and the world’s attention is diverted away from their illegal occupation of Palestine and the genocide they committing. The world has a new problem to tackle- Islamic terrorism, how clever and cunning is their plan.

    But Islam will prevail as always.

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      Moderate Man, The real culprits are the Saudis for the crisis in the middle east. They are the main backers for the US.

      By the way, how come the middle east crisis became an European crisis. Why don’t these refugees go to the Islamic countries where all your Islamic brethren live, rather than Europe?. Sure enough, they aren’t foolish enough to step into any of these Islamic countries, ‘cos they would be starved to death. eh…..

      Yes, Islam will prevail only with Christian generosity.

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    Wahabbis can defend wahabbism all they want…but we all know best. Wahaabis’ so called revival of the true islam is “bidah” (innovation) in itself. It was not revival it was a strict literal interpretation of islam coined by Ibn Wahab and followed by his political unit..the pirates of Arabia..a.k.a. saud family. the saud zionists fund wahabbism around the world because they think islam can be destroyed. Wahabbis have tried to turn the religion of peace to that of terrorism. Down with wahabbism…and peace will reign.

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      SABRINA

      “Wahabbis have tried to turn the religion of peace to that of terrorism”

      Wahhabism is the Religion of Satan, Iblis, Devil. Their Religion is not Submission to Allah, But Submission to Iblis, the Devil.

      So , Islam = Islam-Allah= Submission to Allah

      So, Wahhabism = Islam-Iblis= Submission to Iblis, Shaitan.

      How many times does Allah warn in the Quran about the Devil and Shaitan? 88 times.

      How many times does Allah warn in the Quran about the Iblis? 11 times.

      Iblis takes multiple forms as Devil and Shaitan.

      88/11 =8. So, Iblis transforms into 8 forms.

      Hadith of Najd Where the Satan Comes from.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      Al Azhar Scholar: ‘Wahhabism/Salafism is a Satanic Faith, the Horns of Satan’

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZOA3Ho9AUk

      Al Azhar on Salafism/Wahabsim

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hlJaBMA1Q

      Where is Najd – HORN of SATAN?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHymIJWMfA

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    In a recent way Hindus were found to be the happiest people followed by Christians.

    Why is that Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist, Christians all around the world go about minding their own business practicing their own religion accepting and mingling with all other religions but Muslims find it difficult.

    Whys is that Muslims have to take come on CT/ and the media all over the world to explain orthodoxy, fundamentalism, terrorism of their religion

    Why is that Islam religion can radicalise young men to capitate the head of innocent people and parade it on TV and claim that Allah asked the to do it.

    why do these men then boast they will de capitate more heads Insha Allah

    Why is Islam such a violent religion.

    Why cant Islam coexist peacefully with other religions

    Neither Nishthar Idroos or Izeth or other commentators have given an explanation

    All they are doing is soft peddling Islam as the one and only and ultimate religion like drug dealer and pims

    I can se why young muslims fall prey to these paddlers and then go on to commit violent crimes in the name of Allah

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      ‘..In a recent way…”

      correction “…in a recent survey..”

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      Rajesh

      Ask Narendra Modi why Hinduism is such a violent religion, after all, he is called the butcher of Gujrat for killing 2000 Muslims

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        No he did not kill 2000 Muslims nor did he give order to kill Muslims.
        The allegation against him is that he did not impose curfew on time to quell the Hindu Muslim violence started by the Muslims.
        By the time the situation was brought under control many Muslims have died.
        So do not give it a spin

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          Rajesh

          You lier when did you turn out to be a defense attorney for Modi? You foul Islamaphobe

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            myths about the Gujarat Riots

            http://www.gujaratriots.com

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            Abu

            “You lier when did you turn out to be a defense attorney for Modi? You foul Islamaphobe”

            Rajesh, is a kaluthai, and was recruited by the Norwegians, Israelis, the Christian Fundamentalist West and the Neocons. Unfortunately, they are not getting their money’s worth because his stupidity shows too frequently.

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          Myth no 1: Post-Godhra violence was brought under control within 2-3 days by Narendra Modi’s government
          Truth: “The violence in the state, which was initially claimed to have been brought under control in seventy two hours, persisted in varying degree for over two months, the toll in death and destruction rising with the passage of time.”
          Source: Final Order of the National human Rights Commission chaired by the very respected Justice JS Verma, .”
          Myth no 2: Gujarat Police acted fairly by taking action against rioters from every side
          Truth: “We women thought of going to police and telling the police as in the presence of police, the houses of Muslims were burnt, but the police told us ‘to go inside, it is doom’s day for Muslims”
          Source: PW219 testimony which was admitted as part of Naroda Patya judgment that led to conviction of Mayaben Kodnani, Narendra Modi’s cabinet minister who led murderous mobs during 2002 riots. It is .
          Myth no 3: No conspiracy by the Gujarat government; post-Godhra violence was a spontaneous reaction
          Truth: “A key state minister is reported to have taken over a police control room in Ahmedabad on the first day of the carnage, issuing directions not to rescue Muslims in danger of being killed.”
          “Voter lists were also reportedly used to identify and target Muslim community members
          Source: Report of Human Rights Watch, April 2002, Vol. 14, No. 3(C).
          Myth no 4: Modi allowed a fair prosecution of those accused in rioting and hence even his cabinet colleague Mayaben Kodnani was convicted
          Truth: “The modern day ‘Neros’ were looking elsewhere when Best Bakery and innocent children and helpless women were burning, and were probably deliberating how the perpetrators of the crime can be saved or protected.”
          “Law and justice become flies in the hands of these “wanton boys”. When fences start to swallow the crops, no scope will be left for survival of law and order or Truth and justice. Public order as well as public interest become martyrs and monuments.”
          “From the facts stated above, it appears that accused wants to frustrate the prosecution by unjustified means and it appears that by one way or the other the Addl. Sessions Judge as well as the APP (Shri Raghuvir Pandya, the public prosecutor in this case at the time was a member of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and contested elections from Ward 20, Vadodara in the 1996 Corporation Elections on a BJP ticket!) have not taken any interest in discharge of their duties.”
          Source: Supreme Court in Zahira Habibulla H Sheikh And Anr vs State Of Gujarat And Ors on 12 April, 2004 CASE NO.: Appeal (crl.) 446-449 of 2004.
          Myth no 5: Narendra Modi never justified post-Godhra killings
          Truth: “Responding to queries regarding various statements attributed to him by the media, Mr Modi denied citing Newton’s law. Nor had he spoken of “action-reaction”; he had wanted neither the action (at Godhra) nor the subsequent reaction. When we cited footage in Zee to the contrary (Annexure 4A), there was no reaction from Mr Modi”
          Source: Editors Guild Fact Finding Mission Report dated
          Myth no 6: Narendra Modi speaks only about development in his speeches. Even after 2002 riots, his speeches were never laced with communal poison
          Truth: Narendra Modi’s reported speech: “For several months, the opposition has been after me to resign. When I did, they did not know what to do and started running to Delhi to seek Madam’s help. They realised that James Michael Lyngdoh, the Election Commissioner of India, is their only saviour.Some journalists asked me recently, ”Has James Michael Lyngdoh come from Italy?” I said I don’t have his janam patri, I will have to ask Rajiv Gandhi. Then the journalists said, ”Do they meet in church?”. I replied, ”Maybe they do.” James Michael Lyngdoh came and visited Ahmedabad and Vadodara. And then he used asabhya basha (indecent language) with the officials. Gujaratis can never use such language because our rich cultural heritage does not permit it. Then he gave a fatwa ordering that the elections can’t be held. I want to ask him: he has come to this conclusion after meeting only members of the minority community. Are only minority community members citizens of India? Are majority community members not citizens of this country? Is the constitutional body meant only for the minority community? Did he ever bother to meet the relatives of those killed in the Godhra carnage? Why didn’t he meet them? Why didn’t he ask them whether the situation was conducive for polls? Why? James Michael Lyngdoh ( says it slowly with emphasis on Michael), the people of Gujarat are posing a question to you.”
          Source: Reported speech of Narendra Modi, September 30, 2002.
          Myth no 7: Narendra Modi never applied for a US Visa (when it came to light that he was denied one)
          Truth: “The Chief Minister of Gujarat state, Mr. Narendra Modi, applied for a diplomatic visa to visit the United States. On March 18, 2005, the United States Department of State denied Mr. Modi this visa under section 214 (b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act because he was not coming for a purpose that qualified for a diplomatic visa. Modi’s existing tourist/business visa was also revoked under section 212 (a) (2) (g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Section 212 (a) (2) (g) makes any foreign government official who “was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom” ineligible for a visa to the United States. The Ministry of External Affairs requested that the Department of State review the decision to revoke his tourist/business visa. Upon review, the State Department re-affirmed the original decision.” This decision applies to Narendra Modi only. It is based on the fact that, as head of the State government in Gujarat between February 2002 and May 2002, he was responsible for the performance of state institutions at that time. The State Department’s detailed views on this matter are included in its annual Country Reports on Human Rights Practices and the International Religious Freedom Report. Both reports document the violence in Gujarat from February 2002 to May 2002 and cite the Indian National Human Rights Commission report, which states there was “a comprehensive failure on the part of the state government to control the persistent violation of rights of life, liberty, equality, and dignity of the people of the state.”
          Source: Statement by David C. Mulford, US Ambassador to India, March 21, 2005.
          Myth no 8: Vajpayee never asked Modi to observe “Rajdharma”, did not rap him for 2002 riots
          Truth: “In comments which appeared to back criticism of the state authorities, Mr Vajpayee said he would speak to political leaders about allegations that they had failed to do their job. “Government officials, political leaders, need to respond to the task. The constitution guarantees equal rights for all,” he said.The state government is controlled by the BJP, and the Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, has come in for particular attack over the way the authorities reacted to the violence. At the Shah Alam camp in Gujarat’s commercial capital, Ahmedabad, Mr Vajpayee said that the Godhra attack was “condemnable” but what followed was “madness”. “The answer to madness is not madness,” he said in an emotional speech.”The duty of our government is to protect the property, life and honour of everybody… there is no scope for discrimination,” he said in an apparent reference to allegations that local officials had turned a blind eye to the killings.”
          Source: Vajpayee says riots “shameful” – BBC News report April 4th 2002.
          Myth no 9: It’s not sheer opportunism that well-known Modi-baiters like Smriti Irani, have today become his cheerleaders
          Truth: “Smriti Irani who unsuccessfully contested from Delhi’s Muslim-dominated Chandni Chowk constituency in the April-May parliamentary elections, blamed Modi for BJP’s recent electoral reverses. “Whenever people mention Gujarat they only talk about the riots and try to corner the Gujaratis on the issue. So, in order to maintain the respect that I have for Atalji and the BJP, I won’t hesitate to take this step( of going on a fast to seek Modi’s removal) ,” she said.”
          Source: Times of India report dated December 12, 2004


          ted to the violence. At the Shah Alam camp in Gujarat’s commercial capital, Ahmedabad, Mr Vajpayee said that the Godhra attack was “condemnable” but what followed was “madness”. “The answer to madness is not madness,” he said in an emotional speech.”The duty of our government is to protect the property, life and honour of everybody… there is no scope for discrimination,” he said in an apparent reference to allegations that local officials had turned a blind eye to the killings.”
          Source: Vajpayee says riots “shameful” – BBC News report April 4th 2002.
          Myth no 9: It’s not sheer opportunism that well-known Modi-baiters like Smriti Irani, have today become his cheerleaders
          Truth: “Smriti Irani who unsuccessfully contested from Delhi’s Muslim-dominated Chandni Chowk constituency in the April-May parliamentary elections, blamed Modi for BJP’s recent electoral reverses. “Whenever people mention Gujarat they only talk about the riots and try to corner the Gujaratis on the issue. So, in order to maintain the respect that I have for Atalji and the BJP, I won’t hesitate to take this step( of going on a fast to seek Modi’s removal) ,” she said.”
          Source: Times of India report dated December 12, 2004

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            J.Deane

            Thanks for pulling out the truth from the sources.

            THE USA Denied the Visa to Modi for a very Good reason.

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              THE USA Denied the Visa to Modi for a very Good reason

              Then they gave him red carpet treatment at the White House

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            Rajash

            That tells us more about how US imperialism works than about how ‘clean’ Modi is.

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        Abu
        I am not a Muslim.
        You are right. Modi was responsible in every way.
        He poisoned minds long since before the riots. He spewed venom even during the 2014 election campaign.
        Much has been said on Modi’s responsibility by a former officers of Gujarat who were harassed and left Gujarat.

        Defenders of Modi are part of the Hindutva bandwagon or naive Tamils who think that Modi-led India ans US imperialism will salvage Tamils.
        The latter will never learn. (Read their views on other issues.)

        The recent beef ban killings are a hallmark of the Modi Raj.

        The Muslims, however much they distance themselves from fundamentalism, White racism distrusts them. The regimes and the Media provoke Muslims and when extremists strike the whole community suffers, somewhat like what happened to Tamils in Sri Lanka with SB communalism, now targetting Muslims.

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          SJ and J.Deane

          “Defenders of Modi are part of the Hindutva bandwagon or naive Tamils who think that Modi-led India ans US imperialism will salvage Tamils. The latter will never learn. (Read their views on other issues.)”

          Yes. That is the Truth. There are too many Tamil Mootals, Idiots, and they have the Hindu Caste System, which is not egalitarian.

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      Rajash

      “In a recent way Hindus were found to be the happiest people followed by Christians.”

      Did they survey only the Brahmins and Vehhalahs?

      What about the Dalits and the lower caste?

      Why do they want to be Buddhists, Christians or Muslims?

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    Laksman

    Why don’t check facts before your hatred gets the best out of you, currently there are more than 5 million Syrian refugees in Egypt, Turkey, Jordan and other middle Eastern countries.

    What is so ironic is that you being a Tamil posing a question like this, why don’t you first check why your own brethren from the jungle are flocking to the west instead of Tamil Nadu or India, even in recent times when the war is over.

    The reason why you and your community is becoming a spent force in Sri Lanka in because of your envy and hatred towards the fellow human beings.

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      Moderate Man

      There are Sri Lankan Tamil refugees in Tamil Nadu. I met some of them during my recent visit to TN. The conditions are not that great but they feel at home for obvious reasons.

      Tamils are not imposing Hinduism on the world.
      The problem with the Muslims is they blame the west for Islamaphobia and then taking refuge in the same Western countries and live off state benefit and then spread Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism from the west.
      The author is one good example. He lives in Canada he claims his daughters are all western educated and presumably holding good jobs. From the comfort of the West he is spreading his Islamic fundamentalism.

      You guys have no principles but two faced cowards

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        Did you go to Mandapam camp?

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        Rajash

        “The problem with the Muslims is they blame the west for Islamaphobia and then taking refuge in the same Western countries and live off state benefit and then spread Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism from the west”

        Are you a shill of the Norwegians, Israelis, and the christian fundamentalist West and the Neo-Cons?

        Have you heard about Western colonialism? Algeria, Morroco, Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc, and the Great Game. Have you heard about the American Empire that is destroying Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria?

        Read:

        If you have time to read, read this book. The answers are there. The Great Satan and Minor Satans. Have you heard about the American Empire, Hegemony and Neocons?

        One Islam, Many Muslim Worlds

        Neoconservatives and people sympathetic to the narrative of a demonic Islam developed in a vacuum of its own creation and which needs to be viciously contained, no matter the collateral damage to innocent Muslim civilians or American military will hate this book. Because it is a reminder of the obvious. The American government played a major role in creating the Islam it now fights in the name of the war on terror.

        What a horrific crime against humanity. The consequences of this movement are still disrupting millions of lives. And the repercussions will continue to fall back on the American people who allowed this travesty to happen. No doubt.

        Spirituality, Identity, and Resistance across Islamic Lands

        Raymond William Baker Religion and Global Politics

        Focuses on the lived faith of the world’s 1.4 billion Muslims

        Builds on the work of Islamic historians and intellectuals who characteristically emphasize the underlying unities of a common historical experience

        Aims to generate sympathetic understandings between both Western and Islamic actors in the conflict

        Description

        By all measures, the late twentieth century was a time of dramatic decline for the Islamic world, the Ummah, particularly its Arab heartland. Sober Muslim voices regularly describe their current state as the worst in the 1,400-year history of Islam. Yet, precisely at this time of unprecedented material vulnerability, Islam has emerged as a civilizational force strong enough to challenge the imposition of Western, particularly American, homogenizing power on Muslim peoples. This is the central paradox of Islam today: at a time of such unprecedented weakness in one sense, how has the Islamic Awakening, a broad and diverse movement of contemporary Islamic renewal, emerged as such a resilient and powerful transnational force and what implications does it have for the West? In One Islam, Many Muslims Worlds Raymond W. Baker addresses this question.

        Two things are clear, Baker argues: Islam’s unexpected strength in recent decades does not originate from official political, economic, or religious institutions, nor can it be explained by focusing exclusively on the often-criminal assertions of violent, marginal groups. While extremists monopolize the international press and the scholarly journals, those who live and work in the Islamic world know that the vast majority of Muslims reject their reckless calls to violence and look elsewhere for guidance. Baker shows that extremists draw their energy and support not from contributions to the reinterpretation and revival of Islamic beliefs and practices, but from the hatreds engendered by misguided Western policies in Islamic lands. His persuasive analysis of the Islamic world identifies centrists as the revitalizing force of Islam, saying that they are responsible for constructing a modern, cohesive Islamic identity that is a force to be reckoned with.

        https://global.oup.com/academic/product/one-islam-many-muslim-worlds-9780199846474?cc=us&lang=en&#

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      Moderate man

      “Why don’t check facts before your hatred gets the best out of you, currently there are more than 5 million Syrian refugees in Egypt, Turkey, Jordan and other middle Eastern countries.”

      Yes, but not in Pakistan, Saudi, Oman, …….. Afghanistan, Bangladesh, …. Malaysia, ….. Sri Lanka.

      “why don’t you first check why your own brethren from the jungle are flocking to the west instead of Tamil Nadu or India, even in recent times when the war is over.”

      Why aren’t the Sinhalese running to Tamilnadu, Bihar or Bangladesh, their ancestral homeland? They have all become settled refugees in Europe, USA, Canada and Australia.

      Some Sri Lankan Muslims hate West while living as settled refugees in those countries. Why didn’t they claim refugee status in Saudi Arabia?

      What is your problem?

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      Moderate Man, 5 Million refugees in those countries do not want to stay there. They all want to take a boat and somehow creep into Europe. these countries (Egypt, Turkey, etc.) want to get rid of this refugee menace ASAP rather than taking care of their Islamic brethren.

      One example of your Islamic mentality….Last year when Pakistan had severe monsoon rains fueled flooding 20 million people (all islamics, I suppose) were affected and almost 2 million homes destroyed. Now, who came for their help. The christian (infidels) west with $60+ millions of aid. How much was the contribution from you Islamic big shots like Saudi, Emirates, Qatar, etc??. Just bloody chicken feed in comparison to what the west have given. Sheikhs spend more money for their luxury cars than what they contributed for their Islamic brethren. Heh heh. You islamics are just bloody hypocrites.

      You islamics go to the west misusing their generosity to let you into those countries, enjoy the good life, but do not want to integrate into their societies. Soonest you get in, start trying to spread your silly religious fundamentalism which more suited for desert dwelling nomadic tribes in Arabia.

      By the way, because of the situation in Sri Lanka, we have come out of the jungles of Sri Lanka and gone to the west for a reasonably a good life for us and our kids. Once we got here, we immediately embrace the western way of life, and try our best to integrate into these societies and greatly respect the people who are generous enough to welcome us into these countries. We understand all the western societies were built on Christian values, and we respect it. We do not push to enforce our religious beliefs and take into streets and we keep it within four walls.

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    Rajesh

    Back in the days when the war was on, I used to feel sorry for the Tamils, they were going through a difficult time and on the other hand the majority in the south was envious and was trying everything to stop these people going out of the country to start a new life in the west.

    But looking at people like you and some of the other Tamils in the forum, it’s seems you people are also the same, evil and selfish, I guess your people deserve what they have got.

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      oh dear Moderate man; now you don’t need an excuse to show your true self

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      Dear Moderate Man

      Pease do not confuse the few who utter narrow Tamil-Hindu nonsense with the broad body of Tamil community.
      The vast majority are still suffering post-conflict hardship, mostly in Vanni then Batticaloa and Trincomalee as well as Jaffna.

      There is need to resolve the national question; and Tamil narrow nationalism cannot be overcome until the Tamil people are empowered.
      The TNA and the TPNF are cheating the Tamils.
      I rejected the LTTE all along for many reasons, but I should admit that it was slightly more honest than these Tamil elitist leaders.

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    Mr Idroos I seem to have a struck a black dark side, what more do you want to elaborate, that some of the perpetrators of this horrible crime of genital mutilation are barbers with their scissors.
    does your holy book prevent moslem women from enjoying sex? This is worse than Chinese women whose feet were bound in steel shoes so that they may not run away.As a devout moslem, if you have girls please adhere to the holy book and clip their clitoris.

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      Jay

      Most amount of GM takes place in a country called Eretria , heard about it? Its a Christian country for your info. Sir its not a muslim thing its an African thing.

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        Abu.. GM is an Islamic Thing in Africa.
        Don’t dodge Jay’s question.
        “does your holy book prevent moslem women from enjoying sex?”

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          Lakshman

          You should not make claims that are totally untrue. Since you asked for it I am going to let you have it.

          We don’t use the glove, its always meat to meat if you know what I mean, now tell me our women don’t enjoy sex. As opposed to people who are shit scared of possible pregnancy which gives way to a psychological disadvantage. Besides various unnatural methods increasingly reduces satisfaction for the female partner. Recently a Sri Lankan female doctor in Australia killed her fellow Sri Lanka husband as he was addicted to unnatural sex. Please don’t be studious viewers of CNN and Fox news.

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          Lakshman

          RE; Jay’s Question. Female GM is not an Islamic Tradition, An African Tribal and Other Tradition, it appears.

          “Mr Idroos I seem to have a struck a black dark side, what more do you want to elaborate, that some of the perpetrators of this horrible crime of genital mutilation are barbers with their scissors”

          This was an African “Tradition” that pre-dated Islam, but is not mentioned in the Quran or Hadith, and is not required for Muslims. Christians and Animists in their region practice this “Tradition”.

          Female genital mutilation

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

          Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is the ritual removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. Typically carried out by a traditional circumciser using a blade, with or without anaesthesia, FGM is concentrated in 27 African countries, Indonesia, Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan, and found elsewhere in Asia, the Middle East and among diaspora communities around the world.[7] It is conducted from days after birth to puberty and beyond. In half the countries for which national figures are available, most girls are cut before the age of five.[4]

          The procedures differ according to the ethnic group. They include removal of the clitoral hood and clitoral glans, removal of the inner labia, and in the most severe form (known as infibulation) removal of the inner and outer labia and closure of the vulva. In this last procedure, a small hole is left for the passage of urine and menstrual fluid; the vagina is opened for intercourse and opened further for childbirth. Health effects depend on the procedure, but can include recurrent infections, chronic pain, cysts, an inability to get pregnant, complications during childbirth, and fatal bleeding.[8] There are no known health benefits.[9]

          The practice is rooted in gender inequality, attempts to control women’s sexuality, and ideas about purity, modesty and aesthetics. It is usually initiated and carried out by women, who see it as a source of honour and fear that failing to have their daughters and granddaughters cut will expose the girls to social exclusion.[n 1] At least 200 million women and girls in the key 30 countries have experienced FGM as of 2016.[3]

          The United Nations Population Fund estimated in 2010 that 20 percent of affected women had been infibulated, a practice found largely in northeast Africa, particularly Djibouti, Eritrea, Somalia and northern Sudan.[12][13]

          FGM has been outlawed or restricted in most of the countries in which it occurs, but the laws are poorly enforced.[14] There have been international efforts since the 1970s to persuade practitioners to abandon it, and in 2012 the United Nations General Assembly, recognizing FGM as a human-rights violation, voted unanimously to intensify those efforts.[15] The opposition is not without its critics, particularly among anthropologists. Eric Silverman writes that FGM has become one of anthropology’s central moral topics, raising difficult questions about cultural relativism, tolerance and the universality of human rights

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    Wahabism and Salafism was absent when I was growing up and we had a decent moslem crowd that we never thought of them as crazies.Mr Idroos from what I gather seem to be pulling for the Saud family for too obvious reasons. If these Wahabi radicals are not stopped in time Srilanka will be another Jihadi operational site for global terrorism.
    Wake up security intelligence services.The corrupt Saud family is trying to deflect the dissatisfaction at home by exporting Wahabism and giving them the right to persecute the agents of change.

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      JAY GUNASEKARA,

      “Wahabism and Salafism was absent when I was growing up and we had a decent moslem crowd that we never thought of them as crazies.Mr Idroos from what I gather seem to be pulling for the Saud family for too obvious reasons. “

      You hit the nail on the head. Shills and cronies of the Saudi Wahhabies.

      Quick Post: L&V’s National IQs predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

      Saudi Wahhabies are the bottom.

      http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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    Muslims

    Please let’s not feed the trolls. The only decent thing to do is starve them for their own good. Islam needs no defense against Atheists and Polytheists as they have chosen their destiny of eternal pain.

    When truth is hurtled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood, by its nature bound to perish (The Noble Quran 17:81)

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      ….Atheists and Polytheists as they have chosen their destiny of eternal pain….aha

      I can’t stop laughing reading this crap.

      So you guys think you gonna end up in heaven I suppose. And hope to enjoy a virgin every time you get an urge! [Edited out]

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    Native V.

    First of all I must say that you are one of the few in this forum whose comments are very balanced and not biased, i appreciate it.

    As you your self have posed the question that rightly why aren’t the Sri Lankans going back to their ancestral lands instead of the west, the answer to this is in the meaning of the word “migration” itself-from one place to another for better climate, food, breeding, living conditions etc. this has been the way from time immemorial, people have been migrating from east to west, north to south etc. otherwise there will not be a America, Argentina or Australia, for that matter not even a Sri Lanka.

    Sri Lankans going to Bihar and Bangladesh is like jumping from the frying pan to the fire, the same for the Syrians as well- the ones who cannot afford the risks have put up in neighboring countries and the others are taking the risky adventure for greener pastures-The West.

    But remember, there is nothing called a free lunch, although the Europeans are helping the refugees, in the longer term they need the migrant labour to sustain their economy. please check the below.

    http://www.worldfinance.com/…/refugees-are-an-economic-benefit-not-burden..

    fortune.com/2015/09/08/germany-migrant-crisis/

    The problem for them is the terrorist infiltrating by posing as refugees, and not the refugees itself.

    Now coming to your question of what my problem is–

    As it is, its deplorable to be envious and to harbor hatred towards a people who are going through hell, getting bombarded daily and losing their livelihood, but what is worst is a Tamil from Sri Lanka pouring his hatred and being heartless towards the fellow human beings who are going through the same as them and knowing very well the suffering, this kind of people does not deserve any sympathy as they are not normal human beings.

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    Lakshman,

    Although you try to portray that the west has the same mentality as you, it is not the same. according to their Constitution its wrong to discriminate people by their race, color or creed, so they don’t have a problem with the cultures and life styles of others, if not they will not allow them in the first place. one example is the the Turks, after the second world war, thousands of Turks migrated to Germany and until this day they still maintain their distinct identity, culture and religion, and the Germans were perfectly ok with it.

    Although you are not aware, there is no major requirements for the Muslims to integrate in to Christian societies, because they both have similar Abrahamic belief systems, religious values and have a long a history so they get along very well.

    It is hatemongers like you who have a problem and cannot accept others doing well,

    Immaterial of any religious belief, there is a universal law which says you will attract only what you put out.

    Do good and you will be Good.

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    Islam has no basis in modern society. I feel sorry for the kids who are being indoctrinated to adopt a lifestyle equivalent to that of the stone age. One cannot simply split the moon into two. One cannot fly to the moon on a camel.
    No wonder the middle east failed to produce mathematicians and scientists after the growth of Islam.

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      Not only the middle east did not produce any scientist after the growth of Islam, they did not produce any civilizations. The civilizations existed from Mesopotamia to Egypt were all destroyed since the invation of Islam. Because they were all full of idol worshipers.

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      Dear f=ma

      e=mc*c

      If Islam has no place, no religion has a place.

      It was as Islam reached is peak, that it took science and mathematics to the West.
      Bagdad was a centre of scholarship.
      What is said of Islam can be said of all religions in the Third World.

      Modernism is not a product of any religion but of capitalism, again a product of changes in mode of production further facilitated by industrialization and modern science.
      Protestant Christian countries took the lead in capitalist development, followed belatedly by Catholic countries. Jews in capitalist countries adapted to both capital by way of banking and science by way of dissociation with orthodoxy, but remained oppressed otherwise

      How come there are Muslim Nobel Prize winners who adhere to their faith.
      Indians owe modern science to British rule, however evil, and produced a JC Bose and CV Raman and other distinguished scientists

      Why fewer Japanese, Chinese etc than Americans? How did Russians get there? Over-simplfied answers will take us nowhere.

      Today’s Islam has to be seen as a victim of imperialist domination. There a collaborators and there are defiant fighters. Somehow, the Arab world is today the focus of anti-imperialist struggle.

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        all religions are a problem but the biggest threat is Islamic doctrine. An extremist Jain will go to lengths such as sieving drinking water to ensure they don’t ingest micro-organisms.. on the other hand an extremist Muslim is known to have a more violent side. Granted I am making this observation from Osama bin Laden who claimed himself as an extremist.

        The Quran openly tells how to execute people. Isn’t that not violent enough? So if Osama is following the Quran, he thinks he is doing the right thing

        Arabs are lucky that science found them indirectly. No science=no oil=no Middle East. I wonder what will happen when these resources run out.

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        SJ

        “Today’s Islam has to be seen as a victim of imperialist domination. There a collaborators and there are defiant fighters. Somehow, the Arab world is today the focus of anti-imperialist struggle.”

        Yes. You hit the Nail in head.

        The British, the french, the Italians and the Russians have been from the 17th to the thew 20th century trying to occupy the Islamic lands and Colonized the lands.

        Read about Algeria, Morocco, Libya, Egypt, Etc. A Veru Good historical Summary given below.

        One Islam, Many Muslim Worlds

        Spirituality, Identity, and Resistance across Islamic Lands

        Raymond William Baker

        Description

        By all measures, the late twentieth century was a time of dramatic decline for the Islamic world, the Ummah, particularly its Arab heartland. Sober Muslim voices regularly describe their current state as the worst in the 1,400-year history of Islam. Yet, precisely at this time of unprecedented material vulnerability, Islam has emerged as a civilizational force strong enough to challenge the imposition of Western, particularly American, homogenizing power on Muslim peoples.

        This is the central paradox of Islam today: at a time of such unprecedented weakness in one sense, how has the Islamic Awakening, a broad and diverse movement of contemporary Islamic renewal, emerged as such a resilient and powerful transnational force and what implications does it have for the West? In One Islam, Many Muslims Worlds Raymond W. Baker addresses this question.

        Two things are clear, Baker argues: Islam’s unexpected strength in recent decades does not originate from official political, economic, or religious institutions, nor can it be explained by focusing exclusively on the often-criminal assertions of violent, marginal groups. While extremists monopolize the international press and the scholarly journals, those who live and work in the Islamic world know that the vast majority of Muslims reject their reckless calls to violence and look elsewhere for guidance.

        Baker shows that extremists draw their energy and support not from contributions to the reinterpretation and revival of Islamic beliefs and practices, but from the hatreds engendered by misguided Western policies in Islamic lands. His persuasive analysis of the Islamic world identifies centrists as the revitalizing force of Islam, saying that they are responsible for constructing a modern, cohesive Islamic identity that is a force to be reckoned with.

        https://global.oup.com/academic/product/one-islam-many-muslim-worlds-9780199846474?cc=us&lang=en&#

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    SJ.

    I too have difficulty in typing Einsteins equation E=mc[squared];only the c squared!

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      Nobody can have superscripts or subscripts on internet except as a picture file of some kind.
      Like in many matters in life, we circumvent the problem somehow.

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      Plato.

      “Einsteins equation E=mc[squared];only the c squared!”

      Einsteins equation E=m*(cExponent 2)

      c is the base and 2 is the exponent

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    Thank you brother Idroos for shedding some light. I am shocked that some of the people who have commented don’t even know some very basics of Islam but take the liberty to slash Islam. I am proud to have few cousins, Nieces at Ilma. Some have already left school and are now fine young women holding responsible places in the society. As for those who think Islam is backward do some research. You should thank Muhammad bin Moosaa Al-Khawaarizmi for facilitating use of Google for introducing Algebra. His pioneering work on the system of numerals is well known as “Algorithm” or “Algorizm”.

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      Neha

      “You should thank Muhammad bin Moosaa Al-Khawaarizmi for facilitating use of Google for introducing Algebra. His pioneering work on the system of numerals is well known as “Algorithm” or “Algorizm”.”

      That was during the Period of Islamic Golden age when Reason and Revelation were taken based on its own weight and support.

      The was from 800 CE to 1100 CE. Then Islamic science and philosophy declined. The Ulama hegemony prevailed, and the West overtook. Now The Muslims are at the Bottom, and thank the Stupid Ulama and the Wahhabis for that.

      Stupidest Muslim Vs Neil Tyson – How ideology can ruin intellectual power

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84

      Published on Nov 10, 2014
      This is not a debate between some Muslim and Neil Tyson. But this video shows the thinking of some very well educated 21’st century Muslim (I don’t know he is ignorant, stupid or dishonest. But he is one for sure) and Neil Tyson speaking in a lecture about how Muslims intellectual power ruined by an ideology. You can watch the Full video of this Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s amazing lecture filled with fun and knowledge by clicking on the link below.

      Published on Aug 19, 2015 Stupidity has no limit, no race, no color, no religion (because it is found in all religions

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BshN8xXwfXw

      “The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.” – Albert Einstein

      The Wahhabi GMAT score of 311, cannot do critical thinking. forget science for the wahhabies.

      Quick Post: L&V’s National IQ’s predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

      http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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      Neha

      “I am shocked that some of the people who have commented don’t even know some very basics of Islam but take the liberty to slash Islam. I am proud to have few cousins, Nieces at Ilma. Some have already left school and are now fine young women holding responsible places in the society. As for those who think Islam is backward do some research.”

      Some research.

      MUSLIM WOMAN TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7OYRknGgEc

      Uploaded on Apr 9, 2008

      You Muslims blame us other people criticizing Islam.

      Fortunately we are not only people who have brains.

      For too many years in Islam only men have been allowed to say what is right and what is wrong.

      If men and women are supposed to be equal according to the Koran, why do women need to cover up to avoid temptation and not men? If you are weak and can not control yourself, how is this the woman’s fault?

      If this was about temptation on the part of women being tempted by handsome men, why do attractive men not cover up? What the habib says is Muslim men are weak-willed into temptation and need women to wear a black veil to be more in control of themselves from those evil seducing women.

      Sex in Muslim countries must be awful for women because the men orgasm before the women even gets started.

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      Neha,

      “I am proud to have few cousins, Nieces at Ilma. Some have already left school and are now fine young women holding responsible places in the society”

      Do they get beaten by their husbands?

      How to beat your wife – peaceful teaching of the religion of peace by a mad sheep

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDLVbQxhiQQ

      PA Mufti of Gaza explains how to hit your wife

      Some mentally ill cleric of the so called religion of peace (Islam) telling about the beating etiquette’s given in Quran by their mentally ill Prophet Mohammad. –

      “Allah honored wives by instating the punishment of beating. The prophet Mohammad said : “Don’t beat her in the face, and do not make her ugly.”. See how she is honored. Even when he beats her, he must not curse her. This is incredible! He beats her in order to discipline her……………………………….­………………………………….­…………………………All these things honor the woman……………………………..­………………it is forbidden to beat her in the face or make her ugli. Islam forbids this (He smiles like he is thinking Islam is Great because Islam forbids this.). ………………………………….­………………………………….­……….The honoring of the wife in Islam is also evident in the fact that the punishment of beating is permissible in one case only: when she refused to sleep with him. Because where else could the husband go ? . If she refused he should first begin with admonishment and threats……………………………­…………………………………”

      Another mentally ill so called scholar (who read only one book) of Islam spewing shit from his mouth –

      “Singing, dancing and any other performance in Public of muslim women is forbiden in Quran……….We wouldn’t like to expose our ladies……….There are rights of women in Quran because we love our women. We want to protect them but don’t want to exihibit them……………………….”

      Off-course not all Muslims are bad and beat their wives. Some Muslims that I know and I am friend with are actually very nice and don’t follow the Quran word by word. But the fucking ridiculous ideology of Islam allow them to do that.

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      Neha

      “You should thank Muhammad bin Moosaa Al-Khawaarizmi for facilitating use of Google for introducing Algebra. His pioneering work on the system of numerals is well known as “Algorithm” or “Algorizm”.”

      Yes, Thank the Abissaids for that and the Golden age. He Was Persian not Arab, as most of the brightest were. This was before the Ulemas got Revelation above Reason…and the Sciences and Mathematics flourished..

      Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī[note 1] (Arabic: محمد بن موسى الخوارزمی‎; c. 780 – c. 850) (Arabic pronunciation: [ælxɑːræzmiː]), formerly Latinized as Algoritmi,[note 2] was a Persian[3] mathematician, astronomer and geographer during the Abbasid Caliphate, a scholar in the House of Wisdom in Baghdad.

      Life
      Few details of al-Khwārizmī’s life are known with certainty. He was born in a Persian[3] family and Ibn al-Nadim gives his birthplace as Khwarezm[8] in Greater Khorasan (modern Xorazm Region, Uzbekistan).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi

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    Amarasiri,

    I feel sorry for you. Reading your comments I see a reflection of yourself. Perhaps you need help. Perhaps you beat your wife or grew up in a household where your women folk were beaten up. Just in case you didn’t know, here is the status of women in Islam.

    When she is a daughter, she opens the door of heavan to her father.
    When she is a wife, she completes half of the deen (system of life / religion) of her husband.
    When she is a mother, Heavan lies under her feet.

    You are so narrow minded, and ignorance seem to be ruling your mind. Please don’t confuse religion and culture. If what you say is true there wont be so many western women in US and UK converting to Islam. Just google on youtube Why many women are converting to Islam (add the country of your choice) Then you will see or just Google Why Islam if you really want to know what Islam is and not what the media is feeding you.

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      Neha

      “I feel sorry for you. Reading your comments I see a reflection of yourself. “

      You are absolutely wrong.

      Amarasiri is reporting, and citing you with support and references.

      What you should do is come up with Statistics from Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu communities and get the wife-beating and abuse statistics. Show that
      Islam is better or Worse.

      Data and support is needed. Does the Sun go around the Earth? What does the Data indicate?

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      Neha

      “Please don’t confuse religion and culture.”

      1. Amarasiri is in complete agreement here. The Arabs, especially the Waahbi Arabs, are trying to Impose Arab culture on the guise of Islam. Arab desert culture is NOT deeded to be a follower of Islam, which means submit (to God, Allah).

      One Muslim women said that according to their Ulema, wearing a sari will get a women to Hell Fire. Thee are too many Ulema who are idiots, who call themselves “scholars”, and mislead the Muslim masses.

      2. “You are so narrow minded, and ignorance seem to be ruling your mind. “

      Actually, Amarasiri is very broadminded, and if you have support for your beliefs or hypothesis, Amarasiri will readily accept it. For Amarasiri, Reason Observation and data is needed to believe in your propositions.

      Have you heard about the proposition by Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler and Newton about the motion of Heavenly Bodies? They had data ans support for their proposition and hypothesis.

      3. “When she is a daughter, she opens the door of heavan to her father. When she is a wife, she completes half of the deen (system of life / religion) of her husband. When she is a mother, Heavan lies under her feet.”

      This is good for those who follow Islam. Do the ISIS and the Wahhabies Following Islam?

      Ministry records 8,016 abuse cases this year
      Suad Al-Shimrani
      Okaz/Saudi Gazette

      http://saudigazette.com.sa/saudi-arabia/ministry-records-8016-abuse-cases-this-year/

      RIYADH — The Ministry of Social Affairs has recorded a total of 8,016 cases of abuse during the current year.

      Social Protection General Director in the ministry, Abdullah Al-Mohsen, said the ministry recorded a total of 7,234 reports of abuse during the past year.

      “There are different types of abuse; physical sexual and emotional.

      In Riyadh alone, there were 1,924 reports of 2,128 abuse cases. Makkah had 1,835 reports of 2,054 cases of abuse. Eastern Province had 1,101 reports of 1,164 cases of abuse. Asir had 615 reports of 685 cases of abuse,” said Al-Mohsen.

      He also said Qassim had 430 reports of 465 cases of abuse.

      “Jazan had 318 reports of 375 cases of abuse. Madinah had 306 reports of 369 cases of abuse. Hail had 194 reports of 205 cases of abuse. Tabuk had 180 reports of 211 cases of abuse. Baha had 132 reports of 139 cases of abuse,” said Al-Mohsen.

      He also said Najran had 87 reports of 100 cases of abuse, Jouf had 56 reports of 60 cases of abuse and Northern Borders had 56 reports of 60 cases of abuse.

      “Women are much more aware nowadays than they used to be. They understand that they have the right of safety and security within their household and they understand it is their responsibility to inform the authorities in case of abuse,” said Al-Mohsen.

      He added the media and the education directorates deserve the biggest credit in raising awareness of the issue of abuse.

      “The number of human rights and family rights organizations have increased as well. Victims of domestic abuse now have a place to go where they feel protected. The victims do not have to worry about jeopardizing their safety when they want to report their abusers,” said Al-Mohsen.

      Say no to violence against women!

      http://saudigazette.com.sa/opinion/say-no-to-violence-against-women/

      Women’s crimes

      http://saudigazette.com.sa/opinion/local-viewpoint/womens-crimes/

      218 marriages dissolved in two years on women’s plea

      http://saudigazette.com.sa/saudi-arabia/218-marriages-dissolved-in-two-years-on-womens-plea/

      In a recent faskh (annulment of marriage) suit filed by a foreign woman, a civil court in Jeddah abrogated her marriage contract with a young Saudi man without giving him any compensation as the woman alleged that the Saudi used to beat and abuse her. She had presented a medical report issued by a psychiatrist proving she had suffered mental torture at the hands of her husband.

      Pakistan province passes landmark law protecting women against violence

      http://saudigazette.com.sa/world/asia/pakistan-province-passes-landmark-law-protecting-women-against-violence/

      ISLAMABAD — Lawmakers in Pakistan’s largest province on Wednesday gave unprecedented protection to female victims of violence, in a bid to stem a rising tide of gender-related abuse in a country ranked as the world’s third most dangerous place for women.

      The new law criminalizes all forms of violence against women, whether domestic, psychological or sexual, and calls for the creation of a toll-free abuse reporting hot line and the establishment of shelters.

      Muslim-majority Pakistan, home to roughly 190 million people, sees thousands of cases of violence against women every year, from rape and acid attacks to sexual assault, kidnappings and so-called “honour killings”.

      “The instances of violence against women have been on the increase, primarily because the existing legal system does not effectively address the menace and violence by some is perpetrated with impunity,” said the text of the legislation passed by the Punjab assembly.

      In 2013, more than 5,800 cases of violence against women were reported in Punjab alone, the province where Wednesday’s law was passed, according to the Aurat Foundation, a women’s rights advocacy group.

      Those cases represented 74 percent of the national total that year, the latest for which data is available.

      The leader of one of Pakistan’s largest orthodox Sunni Muslim seminaries denounced the new law as being in conflict with the Muslim holy book, the Quran.

      “Attempting to change religious and national values in the name of protecting women is a tragedy that is of great concern,” Muhammad Naeem, head of the Jamia Binoria seminary in the southern city of Karachi, said in a statement.

      The new law establishes district-level panels to investigate reports of abuse, and mandates the use of GPS bracelets to keep track of offenders.

      It also sets punishments of up to a year in jail for violators of court orders related to domestic violence, with that period rising to two years for repeat offenders.

      Rights groups welcomed the law, but warned that its implementation remained a concern.

      “The change in law would only make a difference if there is effective enforcement and the legislature continues to engage with the issue and ensures oversight,” said Zohra Yusuf, chairwoman of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

      Domestic abuse, economic discrimination and acid attacks make Pakistan the world’s third most dangerous country in the world for women, a 2011 Thomson Reuters Foundation expert poll showed. — Reuters

      SOURCEREUTERS

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      Neha

      “You are so narrow minded, and ignorance seem to be ruling your mind. Please don’t confuse religion and culture. If what you say is true there wont be so many western women in US and UK converting to Islam.”

      Sorry, Neha, Amarasiri is very Broadminded.

      Who is Narrow minded? The Ulema , Muulah and the Tribala.

      HRW slams Afghan ‘virginity tests’ as sexual abuse

      http://saudigazette.com.sa/world/asia/hrw-slams-afghan-virginity-tests-as-sexual-abuse/

      KABUL — Human Rights Watch has slammed “virginity exams” conducted on Afghan women and girls accused of so-called moral crimes, saying the invasive tests by government doctors were tantamount to sexual assault.

      Women face growing levels of violence and harassment in Afghanistan more than 14 years after the Taliban regime was toppled from power by a 2001 US-led invasion.

      Of 53 women and girls as young as 13 accused of pre-marital sex — punishable by up to 15 years in jail — 48 were subjected to virginity exams, Afghanistan’s Independent Human Rights Commission found in a recent study.

      Nearly half of them were examined more than once, often in the presence of multiple people, according to the study which was highlighted in a new HRW report on Monday. “These so-called virginity exams are not just demeaning — they constitute sexual assault and are often used as evidence against women in court for the ‘crime’ of zina, or sex outside of marriage,” said HRW researcher Heather Barr.

      “The continued use of degrading and unscientific virginity exams by the Afghan government is part of a broader pattern of abuses in which women and girls are jailed on spurious ‘moral crimes’ accusations, often in situations where they are fleeing forced marriage or domestic violence.”

      Virginity testing is a widely discredited practice in several conservative Muslim nations.

      In 2014 the World Health Organization issued guidelines that the test had “no scientific validity.”

      “The Afghan government should end arrests (for moral crimes) entirely and reform the law that permits them. Banning all ‘virginity exams’ could be an important first step toward reform,” Barr said.

      Afghanistan has witnessed a sea change in women’s rights since the ousting of the Taliban regime, with female lawmakers and even pilots now commonplace.

      But gender equality remains a distant dream amid endemic violence against women and strong patriarchal attitudes. — AFP

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      Dear Neha

      “Please don’t confuse religion and culture. If what you say is true there wont be so many western women in US and UK converting to Islam. Just google on youtube Why many women are converting to Islam (add the country of your choice) Then you will see or just Google Why Islam if you really want to know what Islam is and not what the media is feeding you.”

      1. Yes, must not confuse culture with religion.

      2. Yes. Western women and men are converting to Islam from Christianity. Some after some years, get back to Christianity, or other, or stay Muslim, and some other no denomination. So You need to get the net, New Conventions Less those who leave Islam.

      3. Yes, there is Media project called Islamophobia. The Norwegians, Israelis, the Christian fundamentalist west and the Neocons, are behind it to various degrees,, aided and abetted by Wahhabi and their Clones, so that Islam can be demonized, and the war on Islam, becomes easier, and Just. Have you heard about the lies of WMD etc.

      https://imamluqman.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/seven-out-of-every-ten-converts-leave-islam-by-imam-luqman-ahmad/

      10 Convert, & Leave, and Leaves a Net of 3 Converts. Not Bad.

      We are constantly being told that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States. We are also being told that the Muslim population is anywhere from 2 million, to six million and that a third of them are converts. That would put the number of converts from around 700,000 to 2,000,000. However, I’m not sure if those numbers are accurate because many converts are leaving Islam, and or never even begin to practice Islam in any appreciable way other than take their shahaadah (declaration of conversion), and you don’t see anywhere near those numbers reflected in the nation’s masaajid.

      New book available by Imam Luqman Ahmad: “The Devil’s Deception of the Modern day Salafi Sect”, A detailed analysis of the Modern day Salafiyyah Sect, their beliefs, practices, and influences upon the religious landscape of Muslim America. In particular, the indigenous American Muslim population. Available @ imamluqman.com, or Amazon.com.

      Imam Luqman Ahmad

      Imam Luqman Ahmad is the Imam and Executive Director of Masjid Ibrahim Islamic Center in Sacramento, California.

      Please Read:

      Then came Western Imperialism, Colonialism, and now we are under the American Empire, that is manipulating everybody

      https://global.oup.com/academic/product/one-islam-many-muslim-worlds-9780199846474?cc=us&lang=en&#

      https://global.oup.com/academic/product/one-islam-many-muslim-worlds-9780199846474?cc=us&lang=en&

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        Dear Neha RE: Wahhabism and Salafism

        The modern Salafiyyah are a reincarnation of Wahhaabism. Wahhabis Follow Iblis, Satan to deceive and Mislead the Muslims.

        The Devil’s Deception of the Modern Day Salafi Sect Kindle Edition
        by Imam Luqman Ahmad (Author)

        http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Deception-Modern-Salafi-Sect-ebook/dp/B00BH52MO4

        Comments by Customer

        A Must Read!
        Imam Luqman Ahmad’s book actually gave a very detailed chronological explanation of the Salafi Sect. How it started and what it has become. All the misconceptions are addressed in this book. I highly recommend this book not only to Muslims, but even if you are interested in Islam. With so many “sects” out there, it’s best to protect yourself from falling into a trap of hatred, racism and self adulation. Read this book and protect yourself from the mass ignorance out there! May God bless Imam Luqman Ahmed for his hard work! Great book!!!

        Great clarification!

        “The modern Salafiyyah are a reincarnation of Wahhaabism. Many of their statements and positions on issues mirror those of Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahaab. Not long ago there were people who were calling themselves Wahhaabis and they too claimed that no one understood Islam properly but them. However, after a series of religious verdicts condemning their claim to exclusive rights to the true guidance of Islam, the term lost popularity. The term, da’watus Salafiyyah, or Salafiyyism, a catchier phrase, then replaced it.”

        This quote here denotes the true deception of this modern day sect of Salafiyyah, because while they claim to be true followers of the Salafus-Saalih, they are actually imitators of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, who was influenced by Ibn Taymiyyah. If the followers of Salafiyyah would just make the proper claim of who and what they follow in reality, then there would be no need to expose their deception, but Imam Luqman Ahmad has done a tremendous job. Great clarification!

        A Somewhat Limited Audience to Those Interested in Contemporary Islamic Issues

        This is a rather specialized book that will appeal only to those currently interested in contemporary Islamic issues. To that extent, it has a relatively limited audience. Of course, the author takes one particular point of view from within Sunni Islam, deprecating the Salafis. There is a certain amount of repetition in the presentation. However, for those interested, on whatever side, it can be recommended.

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    Dear Brother Amarasiri,

    Real Islam has no sects. So I am lost when you throw Wahhabism, Salafism and all the isms, oh and sunni shiya.

    Re. growth of Islam its a documented by Pew Research Foundation.

    Re wife beating / abusing – Do you have stats to prove that it is Musilms??? 60% of Sri Lankan women are beaten and 44% of pregnant women are also beaten. Do you mean to say these are Muslim Women. NO they are not and I say this in confidence as a proud Muslim wife. So don’t even bother to come up with stats because I can give a whole list of names just from the past couple of months of women and children abused and killed where the victim and perpetrator are not Muslims.

    I came to this forum only to Thank Brother Idroos and have no intention of going in for an argument or to that matter discussing my religion. Islam is for me and for everyone who is living by it’s correct teachings.

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      Dear Sister Neha,

      Thank you for your reply.

      Why did Prophet Muhammad, PBUH, say “Seek knowledge even unto China”?

      The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim.” – Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74

      It probably doesn’t have anything to do with China in particular, but rather he(SAW) is instructing muslim to go as far as needed to gain knowledge.

      Knowledge indicates that the Wahhabies and their Clones, such as ISIS, follow Iblis, Satan.

      Anmarasiri has no statistics in Sri Lanka regarding abuse of women in Sri Lanka based on Ethnicity. This is a social science project the Universities must undertake along with rapes and child abuse. Amarasiri provided your with some data from Saudi Arabia. So we know some Muslim women get beaten by their husbands, but not All. True for other communities as well.

      However, Amarasiri agrees with you that the percentage of women beaten by their husbands is very likely to be far lees than those of the other communities, because of

      1. Prohibition against drinking

      2. Prayer times spread throughout the day

      3. The Wife may be praying, and a husband may be unlikely to beat up a wife who is prying.

      However, you do NOT have to be a Wahhabi or Clone to get the above benefits.

      Orthodox Islam or even casual Islam will give you the benefits.

      So, you can be an Orthodox Islam Follower of the 4 Schools, Hanafi, Shadi, Maliki or Hanbali, ot Sufi, Shia, and Ahmedia.

      However, according to the Iblis,Satan Following Wahhabis and their clones, such as ISIS, that will not do thjat. They have to be killed.

      Do you want to be a Wahhabi? Do you want to teach your Children Wahhabism? Do you believe that Wahhabism is Islam? Or, is it Iblisism, Satanism to mislead the Muslims?

      Islam did fine before Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab were infected by Iblis, Satan.

      Read the many reference and citations by Izeth Hussein and Amarasiri to understand the Iblis-Wahhabi Project to Mislead the Muslims.

      References:

      1. Wahhabi sack of Karbala

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

      2. Ottoman–Wahhabi War

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Wahhabi_War

      3. Hadith of Najd

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      4. al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU

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